Tech Bros Tasked With Gutting Government

Summary

What a Day: Episode Summary – "Tech Bros Tasked With Gutting Government"

Released on November 13, 2024 by Crooked Media

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Introduction

In the November 13, 2024 episode of "What a Day", host Jane Coaston delves into the tumultuous aftermath of President-elect Donald Trump's victory. The episode, titled "Tech Bros Tasked With Gutting Government," explores the anticipated shifts in the U.S. government structure, focusing particularly on Trump's unconventional Cabinet appointments and his contentious plans to overhaul key federal departments, especially the Department of Education. The show emphasizes the potential implications of these changes on various aspects of American society, including education policy, climate regulations, and civil rights enforcement.

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Trump’s Cabinet Appointments and the Department of Government Efficiency (00:02 - 02:13)

Jane Coaston opens the discussion by highlighting President-elect Trump's creation of the Department of Government Efficiency (Doge), a move seen as a nod to his tech affiliations, notably with Elon Musk. Trump describes this department as the "Manhattan Project of our time" (00:45), stirring concerns about its actual purpose and potential impact.

Key Cabinet picks discussed include:

• Marco Rubio for Secretary of State: If confirmed, Rubio would be the first Latino in this role and notably the first to be referred to as "Little Marco" by Trump.
• Kristi Noem as Secretary of Homeland Security: Known for controversial actions, including the reported killing of her puppy, as mentioned in her memoir.
• Mike Huckabee as U.S. Ambassador to Israel.
• John Ratcliffe as Director of the CIA.
• Pete Hegseth as Secretary of Defense: A Fox News host and former Army major, replacing current Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, a four-star general.

Jane expresses skepticism about Trump's ability to effectively implement his promises, particularly the elimination of the Department of Education.

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The Future of Education: Closing the Department of Education (02:13 - 07:32)

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Trump's pledge to close the Department of Education, transferring control back to the states. To provide expert insight, Jane interviews Erica Meltzer, National Editor at Chalkbeat.

Notable Quotes:

• Donald Trump (02:13): "And one other thing I'll be doing very early in the administration is closing up the Department of Education in Washington, D.C. and sending all education and education work and needs back to the states."
• Donald Trump (02:44): "Students to love their country, not to hate their country like they're taught right now. Fifth, we will support bringing back prayer to our schools."

Key Discussion Points:

• Feasibility of Closing the Department: Erica Meltzer explains that shutting down the Department of Education would require an act of Congress, and it's uncertain whether there is sufficient political will to achieve this.
• Implications of Decentralization: Transferring responsibilities like Title IX enforcement to the Department of Justice could lead to a loss of specialized expertise in education.
• Potential Policy Changes: Meltzer discusses proposals under Project 2025, including phasing out Title I funding and altering special education funding, which could have drastic effects on high-poverty school districts and students with disabilities.
• Contradictions in Trump's Plan: The necessity of a federal bureaucracy to implement policies like teaching patriotism and reinstating school prayer conflicts with the goal of eliminating the Department of Education.

Additional Insights:

• Historical Context: The debate over the Department of Education traces back to policies like George W. Bush's No Child Left Behind Act and opposition to Common Core, reflecting ongoing conservative dissatisfaction with federal involvement in education.
• Civil Rights Enforcement: There's concern about how changes might affect protections for marginalized groups, including transgender students, with potential moves to repeal such protections.

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Legal Challenges and Religious Symbols in Schools (07:32 - 10:04)

Jane shifts focus to recent legal battles surrounding religious symbols in public schools, specifically the Ten Commandments in Louisiana classrooms. This issue exemplifies the broader debate over the role of religion in public institutions.

Notable Quotes:

• Jane Coaston (09:01): "A survivor of Smythe's abuse spoke to the UK's Channel 4 News anonymously on Tuesday about Archbishop Welby's resignation. He said that this was just the start of real accountability from the Church."

Key Points:

• Judicial Decisions: A federal judge's ruling against the display of the Ten Commandments in Louisiana public schools highlights the contentious nature of integrating religious symbols in educational settings.
• Supreme Court Stance: Analysts predict a Supreme Court more receptive to religious expressions in public life, potentially influencing future cases.
• Freedom of Religion vs. Separation of Church and State: The ongoing legal disputes mirror the tensions between upholding religious freedoms and maintaining secular public institutions.

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Political Ramifications and Chaos in the Trump Administration (10:04 - 16:53)

As the episode progresses, Jane discusses the broader political landscape post-election, emphasizing the narrow Republican control of the Senate and the uncertain future of the House of Representatives.

Key Developments:

• Senate Race Outcome: Democrat Ruben Gallego wins the Arizona Senate race, limiting the GOP majority to 53 seats.
• House Control: The House majority remains undecided, with pending races in California that could potentially give Republicans a slim majority.
• Trump's Legal Troubles: Prosecution delays in Trump’s New York hush money trial add to the administration's challenges.

Notable Quotes:

• Donald Trump (13:57): "It is a beautiful morning in Washington."
• Donald Trump (14:07): "For the country, and we do not take it lightly."
• Donald Trump (15:22): "I think the point we're trying to make is the world needs to have a long term approach to reducing emissions, that you can do it in a very cost-effective way, but you need consistency of approach and policy."

Climate Policy Discussion:

• Oil Executive’s Stance: Darren Woods, CEO of ExxonMobil, warns against drastic changes to U.S. climate policies, arguing for a consistent, long-term approach to reducing emissions (15:22).
• Trump’s Climate Promises: Despite global warming trends, Trump vows to exit the Paris Agreement and increase fossil fuel extraction, raising concerns about the administration's commitment to climate action.

Church of England Scandal:

• Archbishop Welby's Resignation: Justin Welby steps down amid revelations of covering up abuse by John Smythe, highlighting issues of accountability within religious institutions (16:40).

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Trump’s Leadership Style and Future Challenges (16:53 - 21:11)

Jane critiques Trump's leadership approach, drawing parallels to his first term characterized by unpredictability and conflicting promises.

Notable Quotes:

• Jane Coaston (16:53): "Trump is, if he's anything, a performer who plays to his audience, no matter what that requires him to say. And that works great in elections. But once again, we are learning that that's a pretty tough way to run a presidential administration."
• Trump’s Campaign vs. Administration: Jane highlights the challenges Trump faces in fulfilling diverse and often contradictory promises, such as his intentions to support both isolationist policies and aggressive military actions.

Administrative Chaos:

• Hiring Difficulties: The Trump administration is already experiencing turmoil, reminiscent of the chaotic start seen during his first term.
• Policy Implementation: The lack of clear direction and the promise to cater to various factions within his support base complicate effective governance.

Future Political Landscape:

• Upcoming Polls and Predictions: The episode concludes with a preview of future analyses on polling data and listener questions, indicating ongoing uncertainty surrounding Trump’s ability to navigate his administration's complexities.

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Conclusion

The November 13, 2024 episode of "What a Day" provides a comprehensive examination of the immediate challenges and anticipated policy shifts under President-elect Donald Trump. From controversial Cabinet appointments and the potential dismantling of the Department of Education to tumultuous legal battles and climate policy debates, the episode underscores the significant transformations on the horizon. Host Jane Coaston effectively navigates these topics, offering insightful commentary and expert opinions to inform listeners about the profound changes shaping the future of the United States.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Donald Trump (00:45): "It's the Manhattan Project of our time."
• Donald Trump (02:13): "Closing up the Department of Education in Washington, D.C."
• Donald Trump (02:44): "Students to love their country, not to hate their country like they're taught right now."
• Donald Trump (15:22): "The world needs to have a long term approach to reducing emissions."
• Jane Coaston (16:53): "Trump is, if he's anything, a performer who plays to his audience."

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Production Credits:

• Host: Jane Coaston
• Guest: Erica Meltzer, National Editor at Chalkbeat
• Producers: Michelle Eloy, Raven Yamamoto, among others
• Theme Music: Colin Gilliard and Kashaka

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Transcript

[Jane Coston]

It's Wednesday, November 13th. I'm Jane Coston and this is what a day. The show that is lowering our flag to half mast in observance of West Virginia Senator elect Jim Justice's canine named baby dog being barred from the Senate floor. Dogs may not belong on the Senate floor, but they do belong in our hearts. On today's show, the votes for the 119th Congress are still being tallied. And even oil executives are asking Trump not to overhaul the country's climate change regulations. Let's get into it. President elect Donald Trump made up a department for his good friends Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, the Department of Government Efficiency, or Doge. Get it? Like dogecoin. I'm sure Elon finds it very funny. Anyway, Trump says it'll be the, quote, Manhattan Project of our time. I desperately, desperately hope it is not the Manhattan Project of our time for many, many reasons. And Trump continues to fill out his Cabinet. He's expected to choose Florida Senator Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, but that hasn't been made official yet. If Trump does choose Rubio, he would be the first Latino to hold the position. It would also make him the first Secretary of State to have ever been called Little Marco by the President. Trump plans to nominate South Dakota governor and Trump loyalist Kristi Noem for Secretary of Homeland Security. She's known for killing her puppy and writing about it in her memoir. Other Cabinet picks as of Tuesday include former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee for US Ambassador to Israel, former Congressman John Ratcliffe for Director of the CIA, and Pete Hegseth, a Fox News host, to do the very unimportant job of Secretary of Defense. Hegseth was a major in the army who served in Iraq and Afghanistan. For reference, the current Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is a four star general. One of the Cabinet seats Trump has yet to announce is Secretary of Education. I wonder who he's got in mind for that. Will they be the shittiest person alive? Probably. Well, whoever it is, they'll be tasked with implementing something Trump, as always talks about like it's super easy when it's definitely not eliminating the Department of Education. Here he is in a video posted Monday.

[Donald Trump]

And one other thing I'll be doing very early in the administration is closing up the Department of education in Washington, D.C. and sending all education and education work and needs back to the states. We want them to run the education of our children because they'll do a much better job of it.

[Jane Coston]

Trump also laid out a 10 point plan for America's education system in that same characteristically ranting and circular video that should have been called indoctrination coming to a school near you, we will teach.

[Donald Trump]

Students to love their country, not to hate their country like they're taught right now. Fifth, we will support bringing back prayer to our schools.

[Jane Coston]

Sure. He also said he wants to make it possible for school districts to fire basically anyone who disagrees with him or encourages students to think critically. Awesome. But can Trump actually keep these promises? To find out, I called Erica Meltzer, national editor at Chalkbeat, who covers education policy and recently wrote about this very thing. Erica Meltzer, welcome to Water Day.

[Erica Meltzer]

Thanks for having me.

[Jane Coston]

So Donald Trump has said that one of his first acts as president would be to, quote, close the Department of Education, move education back to the States. What exactly does he mean by that? And is that even something he could do?

[Erica Meltzer]

So that's a really good question. It's something a lot of people have been talking about. To actually shut down the Department of Education would require an act of Congress, whether there's support for that in Congress. A lot of people I've talked to, including conservatives who are skeptical of the Department of Education, are also skeptical that there would actually be the political will to undo the department. On the other hand, it's been talked about a lot more in this campaign than we've ever heard it talked about before. And we probably do have a Congress that's more supportive and aligned with President Elect Trump. And so that's just an open question. And then there's the question of just shutting down the department mean ending everything that the department does, or do you reassign some of those things to other departments? And what does that look like? And how does that change what they do?

[Jane Coston]

What would this look like in practice? Because the Department of Education doesn't do. You know, there isn't as much like direct funding to schools, but there are things like Title IX or helping students with disabilities. So what are the ramifications if the department is closed and everything gets spun out to different departments?

[Erica Meltzer]

So I think people who would defend the Department of Education would say that you would lose a lot of expertise and understanding of what goes into education if you parceled out these different functions? So Title IX is a really good example. I think the proposal in Project 2025 would be to move civil rights enforcement to the Department of Justice. I don't think in and of itself that that's necessarily a disaster, but you would lose potentially expertise in how schools function. And then I think there's also the questions of who a Trump administration would appoint to oversee civil rights enforcement. They've been really clear that they are not supportive of the Title IX changes that were made under the Biden administration, which extended new protections to transgender students. They want to repeal those. That could happen without getting rid of the Department of Education. There's been proposals to basically take funding for special education students and turn it into a voucher like system where I think the funding that would be available to families would be a fraction of what would be necessary to meet their students needs. And then Title 1 funding goes to high poverty schools. Would that continue? Project 2025 again proposes phasing out that funding over 10 years and having the states pick up the balance. It's not clear that the states would have the resources to do that or the political will to do it in some cases. So I think it's fair to say. Would Title one funding go away? Quite possibly it would just go away there. And that's millions and millions of dollars to high poverty school districts that help pay for social workers and interventionists and paraprofessionals. Is that what it would look like? We don't actually know because the way that Trump has talked about it has been very vague. It's just, it's going to go back to the states. We're just going to check in on you every now and again to make sure you're not teaching woke and some states will do great and some states won't. And so that just leaves a lot of questions of what it would actually look like.

[Jane Coston]

Right. Because in a video earlier this week, Trump laid out this 10 point plan for education which included things like teaching patriotism and bringing back school prayer and firing teachers who disagree. How do you implement that without a Department of Education working on the federal level?

[Erica Meltzer]

That's a contradiction that has been noted, including by many conservatives that I've talked to, that if you want to have this, this federal role and be pulling the levers and using funding to get people to do what you want them to do, you need a bureaucracy to carry that out. If you get rid of the Department of Education, then you don't have that bureaucracy. And then presumably red states will keep doing what they've been doing and blue states will keep doing what they've been doing. And so it depends, how much control does he want to have? Would he rather keep a bureaucracy and exert that leverage or would he rather get rid of it, or will all of this sort of go away once he's actually in office? And focused on other things.

[Jane Coston]

You've been covering this issue and covering education for such a long time. And I just keep think going back to George W. Bush and the no Child Left behind act in Common Core. What has been going on that has led to more and more people saying that they want to close the Department of Education. But, like, where is all this coming from anyway?

[Erica Meltzer]

I think a lot of it does trace back to disagreements about civil rights enforcement. I. I don't think that's the only thing, but I think that that's the way that conservatives have seen the department show up in ways that they most disagree with and would most like to do away with. There's been a huge change since George W. Bush where there was this sort of conservative vision for school accountability. And to some degree, we see that extending through the Obama years. There's a lot of support for education reform and different approaches to accountability where there's a expanded federal role. And I think you've actually seen a pulling away from that on both the right and the left. Like, the left is less enthusiastic about testing and teacher evaluation and charter schools and types of things that they use to support. And the right has really leaned into vouchers. And it's just up to the parents. Give the parents money, the parents can. If the parent is happy, then that's a good education. And there's been a real pulling away from an interest in accountability and improving school quality, I think, on both sides. And then that leaves this question of what is the department's role?

[Jane Coston]

I wanted to ask you about a federal judge blocking the use of the Ten Commandments in classrooms in Louisiana. I've always thought that I went to Catholic school. So if having the Ten Commandments around you all the time was supposed to make you into a specific type of person, it didn't work on me. But I'm curious as to your thoughts on that, because that's exactly the same type of state by state, different policies for different states kind of thing that sounds like the right would be into. But it seems like a federal judge says no.

[Erica Meltzer]

This is a point of a lot of contention right now of what is the role of religion in public schools. And there's been all kinds of things that seem for most of my professional life to be settled law are now up in the air. Like public money can go to religious schools. You don't have to have a school choice program, but if you do have a voucher program, you can't discriminate against public schools. Except a judge in South Carolina just said that that would violate their state constitution. Different cases are working their way up through the courts. I think this is maybe one of the most contested legal areas right now when it comes to education and the line between freedom of religion and freedom from religion. I don't know how much the Trump administration will actually have the ability to weigh in on something like that, but I think a lot of scholars believe that the Supreme Court we have now is much friendlier to to religion in public life and to public dollars supporting religious expression.

[Jane Coston]

Erica, thank you so much. This is so helpful.

[Erica Meltzer]

Thanks so much for having me.

[Jane Coston]

That was my conversation with Erica Meltzer, national Editor at Chalkbeat. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ad.

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[Donald Trump]

It is a beautiful morning in Washington.

[Jane Coston]

It is a new day in America.

[Donald Trump]

The sun's shining, and that's a reflection.

[Jane Coston]

About how we all feel. This is a very, very important moment.

[Donald Trump]

For the country, and we do not take it lightly.

[Jane Coston]

But even if Republicans do keep control of the House, their majority looks like it will remain teeny tiny. We're talking four or five seats. And if you subtract the two House Republicans Trump named to his administration. Yeah, Speaker Johnson will still have the worst job in Washington. Justice Juan Merchandhe, judge presiding over Trump's New York hush money trial, delayed a decision on whether to dismiss the president elect's conviction. Mershon was set to rule Tuesday on whether or not the conviction can stand after the Supreme Court ruled that former presidents have some immunity from prosecution. Trump was convicted on 34 felony counts of falsifying business records. He tried to cover up payments he made to adult film star stormy Daniels in 2016, but prosecutors said they need more time to deliberate. In the wake of Trump's victory, his lawyers argue the criminal conviction should be thrown out altogether. Mershon has until next Tuesday to rule. On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly promised to gut policies and regulations aimed at mitigating climate change. But the head of a major oil and gas corporation says don't do that. Darren woods, the chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, told CNBC Tuesday that a drastic change in American climate policy would be disruptive to business.

[Donald Trump]

I think the point we're trying to make is the world needs to have a long term approach to reducing emissions, that you can do it in a very cost effective way, but you need consistency of approach and policy. And so we're here talking about what some of those approaches could be to help solve those problems.

[Jane Coston]

Woods was speaking from Baku, Azerbaijan, at COP 29, the annual United Nations Climate Change Conference. Trump has vowed to pull the US out of the Paris climate agreement again. He's also vowed to ramp up fossil fuel extraction even as the world is on pace to record its hottest year on record for the second year in a row. You know things are not going great when we're turning to oil and gas executives for hope on the climate front. Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, resigned on Tuesday after a new report found that he and other leaders of the Church of England knowingly covered up the abuse committed by the late John Smythe. Smythe physically and sexually abused more than 100 young boys from the 70s up until his passing in 2018, including while running boys summer camps. He's been called, quote, the most prolific abuser with ties to the Church of England. A survivor of Smythe's abuse spoke to the UK's Channel 4 News anonymously on Tuesday about Archbishop Welby's resignation. He said that this was just the start of real accountability from the Church.

[Donald Trump]

This is a fifth of my life I have spent campaigning to get the.

[Kai Rysdal]

Truth out on what happened and to bring Smyth to justice. We failed on that, but now some more of the truth is in the public domain.

[Jane Coston]

The report names Archbishop Welby as someone who could have and should have reported Smythe to the police after he was informed of Smythe's crimes in 2013. And that's the news. One more thing. If I remember anything from the first Trump administration, it's chaos every single day. You'd check your phone at 5pm Eastern and Bam. The craziest shit you have ever heard of in your entire life happened. The director of the FBI got fired. There was a not so perfect, perfect phone call. Or maybe buying Greenland. Remember that whole let's buy Greenland thing? Wild times. Well, Trump won the election a little over a week ago and the chaos and confusion has already begun. That's in part because, well, hiring is hard, but also it's because Donald Trump did a very standard Donald Trump thing. He promised to be everything to everyone. Again. I've said before that he's like the sixth grade class presidential candidate. Pizza and ice cream for everyone except pizza is deporting millions of people and ice cream is retribution against his enemies, which I hope are also yours. For example, how is RFK Jr. Planning to get seed oils and chemicals out of foods like gummy worms and cheez? Its that Trump wants to deregulate the production of because I don't know how he'd do that. Trump told Arab Americans in Michigan that he was determined to end the war in Gaza and Lebanon, and he told Jewish donors through his campaign that he would decimate the pro Palestinian rights movement in the United States, even deporting pro Palestinian student protesters. And it worked. He won the election. And now he gets to figure out how to make a bunch of people happy who all generally hate each other. Already, MAGA fanboys are getting very upset about the potential for Senator Marco Rubio serving as Secretary of State and Representative Mike Waltz serving as national security adviser. Since Trump said a lot of nice isolationist things during the campaign, and Mike Waltz literally wanted to relaunch the war in Afghanistan in 2021 because 20 years of war just wasn't enough, I guess. Donald Trump has twice convinced millions of Americans that he will do the things they want him to do and won't do the things they don't want him to do, even if he said he's absolutely going to do those things. And Trump is, if he's anything, a performer who plays to his audience, no matter what that requires him to say. And that works great in elections. But once again, we are learning that that's a pretty tough way to run a presidential administration. Before we go, now that the race is over, let's take a look back at the polls. On this week's new episode of Polar Coaster, Dan Pfeiffer reflects on what they got right where they fell short and what we still don't know. Then producer Caroline Rustin joins to tackle listeners burning questions. To catch this exclusive subscriber series, sign [e-mail] friends that's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, Leave a review, Think about the many, many, many, many, many, many times Donald Trump has made his loyalists look like idiots. And tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how Thanksgiving is a real holiday and we don't need to put up Christmas or Hanukkah decorations yet because Thanksgiving is a real holiday. Like me, what a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and [e-mail] subscribe I'm Jane Costen and good luck, little Marco. What a Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producer is Raven Yamamoto. Our producer is Michelle Eloy. We had production help today from Tyler Hill, Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Greg Walters and Julia Claire. Our senior producer is Erika Morrison and and our executive producer is Adrian Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka. What a Day was brought to you.

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