C (2:57)

Great to be with you.

A (2:58)

Let's start with what's been happening to one of your peers, New York Attorney General Letitia James. The very same Letitia James who won a state civil case against Trump back in 2023. She's accused of applying for a loan to buy a private home for herself, but then renting it out to others, saving interest on the loan. As a fellow Attorney General, on a personal level, is this scary for you, just to see a someone else in your same position being gone after by the federal government, clearly for retaliation for something that happened a couple of years ago?

C (3:31)

Well, I don't know if it's scary, because I think all of us as attorneys general, including Letitia James Tish to those of us who know her well, aren't afraid of Trump. But it's clearly outrageous for the president to target the people who he feels aggrieved by. And whether it's Attorney General James or James Comey, the former FBI director, that's not the way our Justice Department is supposed to work, and it's certainly not the way it worked when I served both Republican and Democratic presidents when I was in the Department of Justice myself for almost 15 years.

A (4:04)

What are you hearing from fellow attorneys general about this case?

C (4:08)

When the president directed the Department of Justice to go after Attorney General James, the US Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, which was the U.S. attorney's office, looking at the case at the president's direction, when he wouldn't do it, the president fired that U.S. attorney. And then when the career prosecutors in the office wouldn't do it, the president then went out and plucked a interim or acting U.S. attorney off the street and had her do it, his former personal attorney, who has no prosecutorial experience. The whole thing is outrageous, not only as a colleague of Attorney General James, as an Attorney general now, but as someone who served in the Justice Department. I can't tell you how outrageous the whole thing is. It just flies in the face of how the department is supposed to and has always operated for hundreds of years. And it's not the way to do justice. It's alarming, frankly.

A (5:02)

Yeah. You've mentioned your experience. You were a federal prosecutor under the Obama administration. And this strikes me as another example of lawfare. We're seeing the prosecutions of Letitia James, former FBI Director James Comey, as you mentioned, and other opponents of Trump for political reasons. Trump was in office in 2017, and I'm sure he had a host of people who he would have wanted to go after or he would have wanted to direct people to go after. And perhaps with regard to the Russia investigation, I mean, that's kind of where the comey thing comes in, right? What changed so that this became a horrifying new normal?

C (5:41)

Yeah. What changed is he has enablers about around him. And so Pam Bondi, Attorney General Bondi is a far cry from former Attorney General William Barr, who, look, from some perspectives, was no great shakes himself. But there are things he wouldn't do, and this is the kind of thing he wouldn't do. I met Attorney General Barr during President Trump's first term and, you know, he was a conservative guy, no question. Very different from Attorney General Bondi, who has, first of all, has never been in the Justice Department before. She was the Attorney General of Florida. That doesn't mean she has any federal experience. And she doesn't. But beyond that, she's willing to use the Department of Justice as a tool of the administration. And look, I served President George Bush too, and it wasn't like that under him either. So this is a sea change in the way the Department of Justice is being run. And any notion that Pam Bondi was surprised by this indictment is just ludicrous. I mean, the Department of Justice policy is you push things to the front office. What that means is the Attorney General herself, she's as responsible as anyone else, including the President.

A (6:52)

You've been working with a lot of other states Attorneys General to fight against Trump policies on a lot of fronts, from doge spending cuts to education funding, clawbacks, research grant restrictions, freezes on wind energy development. And in a lot of cases you've either initiated or joined multi state lawsuits. What have been some of your wins so far?

C (7:13)

Yeah, look, we filed, I think 12 lawsuits in the District of Rhode island alone, out of the 40 or so. So my district, my office has been very active here, along with my colleagues. And so in Rhode island, for example, we have saved for Rhode Islanders, a state of a million people, $650 million at least, that the President was trying to take away from us in congressionally authorized funds, from everything from education to infrastructure, bridge building, highway building, health care and beyond. So it's in many instances it's been about money. And we've won every single case we've brought in the District of Rhode island, both at the district court level and at the First Circuit level. There are a couple of cases that are still pending, but we expect to be successful in those two. And the reason is, is because we are right on the law and the president is wrong on the law. And so where we have an opportunity to fight for our citizens, we're doing that and we're winning.

A (8:08)

But in a lot of those multi state cases against Trump's policies, you're getting, say maybe half of the US State's attorneys general to join you because of the political divides that we have. So what good do these coalitions do when it's reflecting the divides we already see in Congress where just as like Republicans say he can do whatever he wants and Democrats stand up.

C (8:30)

Yeah, look, I think it's putting pressure on attorneys general in those non Democratic attorneys general states. So in the red states, let's use that as opposed to blue states, which are the Democratic states, they're not hanging onto that funding that I just mentioned. So compare New Hampshire to Rhode island, for example, to stay just in New England, another state of about a million people, maybe a little bit more, that 650 million that we saved for Rhode Islanders. Their attorney general didn't save for the people of New Hampshire. And that has been a pressure point for him and the governor there. And that's been going to be a pressure point for Americans in those red states as they lose the healthcare funding, the research funding, the infrastructure funding that the president has taken from them and their Republican attorneys general and haven't fought for on their behalf. So that's money that the Congress has allocated them for disaster relief, for example. You know, winter is coming, but I'm not just referring to, you know, the Game of Thrones here. Winter's coming across the United States. There are going to be natural disasters and the president has cut that money for red states as well as blue states. The difference is by going to court as a coalition of blue states, many times in Rhode island, that's when we filed these cases. We've been successful for all of the blue states. So the blue states have come up winners, the red states have come up losers. And as that continues to play itself out, I believe over the course of the Trump administration, people in those states are going to wake up and realize, I hope at least that they elected the wrong guy and they elected members of Congress and attorneys general that won't stand up for them.

A (10:09)

Attorney General Norona, thank you so much for joining me.

C (10:12)

Oh, it's been great. Thank you for having me on.

A (10:14)

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Here's what else we're following today. Head of Lines.

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Yes, I believe that we are on the cusp of peace in Gaza for the first time. Not just in a couple of years, but really in a very long time. And because the president of The United States has done something that no other world leader has been able to do.

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Vice President J.D. vance went on Meet the Press Sunday morning to discuss the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas. But he also made clear everybody knows this is all thanks to our fearless and totally competent leader, President Donald J. Trump at the time of this recording Sunday evening. All 20 living Israeli hostages held by Hamas are expected to be released soon.

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So you can't say exactly the moment they will be released, but we have every expectation, that's why the President is going, that he will be greeting the hostages early next week.

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After the hostages are freed, Israel will be ready to receive the remains of 28 dead hostages. The country will also release about 2,000 Palestinian detainees. The timing of the release for the Palestinian prisoners has not been announced, but the group includes 1,700 people taken from Gaza during the war and held without charge. After the prisoner exchange, Israel will allow more humanitarian aid into famine stricken Gaza, which the UN has called a wasteland. Aerial footage shows much of the territory reduced to rubble. Trump plans to greet the hostages in Israel upon the release Monday. The historic ceasefire deal marks the end of two years of war, with tens of thousands killed and nearly 90% of Gaza's population displaced. The next phase of the deal, which would determine Gaza's post war government, remains shaky as negotiations continue. Trump announced via Truth Social Saturday that during the ongoing government shutdown, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth can use all available funds to get our troops paid on October 15. The funds will be taken from the Pentagon's research and development budget, which is not legal. Will that stop them? Who knows? Should the troops not get paid, it would be the first time in modern US History that military members outside the Coast Guard would miss a paycheck due to a government shutdown. Meanwhile, as the government shutdown approaches its third week, the Smithsonian Institute's 19 museums and the National Zoo have temporarily closed their doors and the congressional stalemate is as bitter as ever. Democrats are holding their ground. Here's Connecticut Senator Chris Murphy on CBS's Face the Nation Sunday.

D (15:07)

J.D. vance and Donald Trump's number one priority is protecting billionaires, protecting corporations and raising premiums, raising health care costs by 75% on American citizens. So yes, I think that Democrats should say if you want our votes for it can't be a corrupt budget, it can't be a budget that is going to devastate the lives of middle class families in this country in order to protect and reward billionaires. That's a pretty reasonable request.

A (15:33)

For his part, South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham would have none of it. On Sunday, he told NBC's Meet the Press that he's so sorry that thousands of Americans are going to suffer, but there's nothing to be done when Democrats insist on unreasonably affordable health care.

C (15:49)

I don't want anybody to lose their job because of a shutdown. I hate it when people get furloughed. I hate it. The military can't get paid. The FBI hate all that.

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I'm willing to vote to open the.

C (16:00)

Government up tomorrow to my Democratic friends. I am not going to vote to extend these subsidies.

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The government shutdown is expected to hit the economy this week as agencies begin to withhold billions in federal paychecks and government services. Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Took the same approach to public health on Friday that he once took to a dead whale in 1994, which is to say he made a huge mess by severing over 1,000 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention staffers from their jobs. The dismissals were among the more than 4,000 the Trump administration issued in response to the ongoing shutdown. The initial cuts even targeted leaders of the CDC's measles response in the middle of a measles outbreak, along with officials who have managed Ebola and MPOX outbreaks abroad. After details about the firings became public, a federal health official said Saturday that some layoff notices had been sent in air and would be reversed. Now the administration is quietly walking a lot of this back, scrambling to rehire many of the same experts at Letgo after realizing the cuts had crippled outbreak surveillance and response efforts. The mistakes rocked an agency already in tumult. The CDC lost about a third of its staff in April when Elon Musk's doge took its proverbial chainsaw to the agency, only for many to be rehired weeks later. The former Director of the CDC's National center on Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, Dr. Dimitri Daskalasis, said, the CDC is over. It was killed. This administration only knows how to break things. They have made America at risk for outbreaks and attacks by nefarious players. People should be scared. I, for one, am following doctor's orders. We do not want a tariff war, but we are not afraid of one. That's from a statement China's Commerce Ministry issued Sunday in response to Trump's 100% tariff threat. Trump threatened Friday, in a true social post, of course, to jack up the tax on imports from China by November 1. Why? Because of new Chinese restrictions on the export of rare earths, which are vital to a wide range of consumer and military products. Mind you, after Trump's threat, the broad S&P 500 stock market index plunged 2.7%, its worst day in about six months. In its post Sunday, China's commerce ministry said frequently resorting to the threat of high tariffs is not the correct way to get along with China. Trump took to truth social again, saying, don't worry about China. It will all be fine. Highly respected President Xi just had a bad moment. He doesn't want depression for his country and neither do I. The USA wants to help China, not hurt it. The back and forth threatens to derail a planned meeting between Trump and Chinese President Xi Jinping later this month and upend the fragile truce in a trade war that reached new heights in April. Vice President J.D. vance on Sunday spoke to Fox News Maria Bartiromo calling it a, quote, delicate.

D (18:52)

Dance and a lot of it is going to depend on how the Chinese respond. If they respond in a highly aggressive manner, I guarantee you the President United States has far more cards than the People's Republic of China. If, however, they're willing to be reasonable, and then Donald Trump is always willing to be a reasonable negotiator, we're going to find out a lot in the weeks to come about whether China wants to start a trade war with us or whether they actually want to be reasonable. I hope they choose the path of.

A (19:22)

Reason, you know, reasonable. Like Trump, Trump has raised taxes on imports from many US Trading partners since taking office in January, seeking to win concessions. But China has been one of the few countries that hasn't backed down, relying on its economic clout. And that's the news before we go in today's attention economy. The only thing worse than being hated is being boring. That's the world reality TV built in all its messy glory. And it's probably one of the best ways to escape. After mainlining the news every day, it's becoming clear how reality TV hasn't just changed tv. It's changed culture, fame, everything, including politics. In a special Love it or Leave it series, Bravo America, John Lovett dives into the reality TV universe, interviewing icons of the genre to explore how these shows blur the line between authenticity and performance. Be cool. Don't be all, like, uncool. You can find this series every Tuesday on the Love it or Leave it feed and on YouTube. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review. Enjoy another episode of the continuing series. Wow. The Friends of Convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Sure were enthusiastic about Jeffrey Epstein. And tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how On Sunday the the Daily Mail published an email sent by Prince Andrew to Epstein in 2011 after Epstein had pled guilty to charges of solicitation of prostitution with a minor, which reads, quote, it would seem we are in this together and will have to rise above it. Otherwise, keep in close touch and we'll play some more soon. Like me, Water Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe@crooked.com subscribe I'm Jane Coastin and the worst part of that email is the word play, right? Like worse than we are in this together. Like yeah, what a Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producers are are Emily Foer and Chris Allport. Our video editor is Joseph Dutra. Our video producer is Johanna Case. We had production help today from Greg Walters, Matt Berg, Sean Ali, Gina Pollack and Caitlin Plummer. Our senior producer is Erika Morrison and our senior Vice president of news and politics is Adrienne Hill. We get help today from the Associated Press. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America east.

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