Trump Targets Immigrants

Summary

What a Day Episode Summary: "Trump Targets Immigrants"

Released: January 22, 2025
Host: Jane Coaston, Crooked Media

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Introduction

In this episode of What a Day, host Jane Kostin delves into the latest developments from the third day of former President Donald Trump's second term. The focus centers on Trump's aggressive actions to overhaul U.S. immigration policies, the ensuing legal battles, internal party criticisms, and the broader implications for migrants and American society.

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Trump's Executive Orders on Immigration

1. Ending Birthright Citizenship

At the core of Trump's immigration crackdown is an executive order aimed at revoking birthright citizenship for children born in the U.S. to undocumented immigrants and those with only temporary legal status.

• Trump's Statement [00:56]:
  "We're the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know, and it's just absolutely ridiculous. But, you know, we'll see. We think we have very good grounds. Certainly people have wanted to do this for decades."

Fact Check:
Kostin clarifies that countries like Canada and Mexico also practice birthright citizenship. The order seeks to reinterpret the 14th Amendment, a move already facing legal challenges from over 20 states and the ACLU.

• New Jersey Attorney General Matthew Platkin [01:52]:
  "This is an extreme and unprecedented act, and this executive order is an assault on the rule of law. It attacks a right that is core to our nation's earliest days."

2. Declaring a National Emergency at the Southern Border

Trump declared a national emergency to gain expanded powers over immigration enforcement. This includes deploying the military to the border and continuing the construction of the border wall.

3. Shutdown of the CBP1 Asylum App

The administration terminated the Biden-era mobile application designed to streamline the asylum process, resulting in thousands of migrants losing their appointments.

• Impact on Migrants:
  Migrants like Marheli Tinoco from Colombia are now left without legal pathways to enter the U.S., forcing many into confusion and despair.

  • Marheli Tinoco [02:34]:
    "I know that I will be able to cross into the US someday. I will not give up on the American dream because I don't know what to tell my kids."

4. Reinstitution of the "Remain in Mexico" Policy

Trump reinstated the policy requiring asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims are processed in U.S. courts.

• Mexico's Response [05:42]:
  Mexico's president expressed opposition but indicated compliance to avoid economic repercussions, highlighting the power dynamics at play.

5. Labeling Drug Cartels as Terrorist Organizations

This move aims to intensify the U.S. government's stance against drug trafficking groups, although experts warn of potential backfires and unintended consequences.

6. Pausing the U.S. Refugee Resettlement Program

The suspension affects thousands of refugees awaiting entry, exacerbating the humanitarian crisis at the border.

7. Removing Protections for Migrants in Public Spaces

Policies limiting arrests of migrants in places like churches and schools have been discarded, increasing the vulnerability of migrants in public areas.

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Legal and Political Reactions

Legal Challenges:

The birthright citizenship order has garnered significant opposition, with multiple lawsuits filed by states and advocacy groups.

Internal Party Criticism:

Even within Trump's own Republican Party, there is notable dissent regarding his recent clemency actions for January 6th insurrectionists.

• Senator Thom Tillis [13:09]:
  "Anybody who was convicted of assault on a police officer, I just, I can't get there at all. I think it was a bad idea."

This criticism extends to the pardoning of figures like former Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio and Oathkeepers founder Stewart Rhodes, highlighting fractures within the party.

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Impact on Migrants: Personal Stories

Migrants are directly affected by Trump's policies, as illustrated by the story of Marheli Tinoco. With the shutdown of the CBP1 app, many migrants face the grim reality of losing official channels to seek asylum, pushing them towards illegal crossings or abandoning their American dreams altogether.

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Interview with Emily Greene: Real-World Effects

Jane Kostin converses with Emily Greene, a freelance reporter based in Mexico City, to unpack the tangible implications of Trump's executive orders.

Key Insights from Emily Greene:

• National Emergency Implications [03:45]:
  Grants Trump enhanced powers for border enforcement, including military deployment and wall construction.

• CBP1 App Shutdown [04:06]:
  Eliminates legal pathways for entry, leading to confusion, panic, and increased reliance on smugglers.

• "Remain in Mexico" Policy [05:42]:
  Mexico's tepid response is driven by the threat of crippling tariffs, leaving migrants vulnerable.

• Labeling Cartels as Terrorist Organizations [07:40]:
  Raises concerns about overreach and the potential negative impact on U.S. companies inadvertently linked to cartels.

• International Reception [08:53]:
  Western governments are increasingly turning against immigration, viewing migrants as political liabilities rather than human beings deserving protection.

Emily emphasizes the precarious position of migrants, who are often used as bargaining chips in larger geopolitical and economic conflicts without any real advocates.

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Confirmation Hearings: Elise Stefanik for UN Ambassador

New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik underwent her Senate confirmation hearing for the role of U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations. Her responses were notably vague and filled with platitudes.

• On Ukraine [13:56]:
  Stefanik declined to specify strategies for holding Russia accountable.

• On the Middle East [14:19]:
  She advocated for stronger U.S. support for Israel but avoided addressing anti-Semitism within the UN.

Stefanik also proposed cutting funding to the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees, signaling a tough stance on international aid and diplomacy.

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Department of Justice Overhaul

In a significant reshuffle, the Trump administration removed at least 15 career staffers from the Department of Justice (DOJ), including top executives in criminal and national security divisions. Additionally, Linda Fagan, the Coast Guard’s first female four-star admiral, was terminated for alleged leadership failures and inability to advance strategic objectives.

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International Developments: Israel-Palestine Conflict

Amid a ceasefire in Gaza, Israel released ninety Palestinian prisoners, predominantly women and children, while Hamas released hostages with plans for gradual releases. Concurrently, displaced Palestinians are beginning to return to homes damaged by Israeli airstrikes, and the UN reports successful entry of over 630 aid trucks into Gaza. However, Israeli military operations in the West Bank continue, resulting in casualties and further tension.

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Economic Policies: Rising Grocery Prices

Despite Trump's campaign promises to lower grocery costs, consumers are grappling with soaring prices for essentials like eggs, coffee, and cereal.

• Trump's Comments on Groceries [17:36]:
  "But prices will come down. You just watch. They'll come down and they'll down fast."

Kostin critiques Trump's executive order on "emergency price relief," noting its vagueness and lack of concrete measures to address the inflationary pressures exacerbated by recent tariffs and market disruptions.

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Conclusion

Jane Kostin wraps up the episode by highlighting the continued challenges posed by Trump's second-term policies, emphasizing the significant impact on immigration, legal frameworks, and everyday American life. She encourages listeners to stay informed and engaged, underscoring the importance of understanding these developments in shaping the nation's future.

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Key Quotes

• Trump on Birthright Citizenship [00:56]:
  "We're the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know, and it's just absolutely ridiculous."

• Matthew Platkin on Executive Order [01:52]:
  "This is an extreme and unprecedented act, and this executive order is an assault on the rule of law."

• Marheli Tinoco's Resolve [02:34]:
  "I will not give up on the American dream because I don't know what to tell my kids."

• Senator Thom Tillis on Pardons [13:09]:
  "Anybody who was convicted of assault on a police officer, I just, I can't get there at all. I think it was a bad idea."

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This comprehensive summary encapsulates the critical discussions and insights presented in the "Trump Targets Immigrants" episode of What a Day, providing listeners with a clear understanding of the episode's key themes and implications.

Transcript

[Jane Kostin]

It's Wednesday, January 22nd. I'm Jane Kostin, and this is what the show welcoming you to, the third day of Trump's second term, where everything's made up and the felonies don't matter. On today's show, more fallout from Trump's decision to pardon almost all of the January 6th insurrectionists and commute the sentences of the rest. And New York Congresswoman Elise Stefanik gets her chance to overwhelm senators with vague platitudes during her confirmation hearing. It's a flood out there when it comes to news. There are any number of terrible things that have happened within the last 48 hours that we could leave the show with today. That is, unfortunately, kind of President Donald Trump's way of doing business. Flood the zone with shit, as they say. But today we're going to focus on the many executive orders Trump signed Monday night to restrict immigration, including an order to end birthright citizenship in the US.

[Donald Trump]

We'Re the only country in the world that does this with birthright, as you know, and it's just absolutely ridiculous. But, you know, we'll see. We think it we have very good grounds. Certainly people have wanted to do this for decades.

[Jane Kostin]

Just as a quick fact check, other countries do have birthright citizenship, including both Canada and Mexico. But here's my what's actually in the order? Well, Trump wants to deny birthright citizenship to the future children of undocumented immigrants, as well as the children of those who are here legally but with only temporary status. And he wants to do that by just waving a wand and reinterpreting the 14th Amendment, the part of the Constitution where the century old right lives. The administration is already facing lawsuits for more than 20 states and the ACLU over the birthright citizenship order. New Jersey Attorney General Matthew Platkin said presidents are not kings.

[Matthew Platkin]

This is an extreme and unprecedented act, and this executive order is an assault on the rule of law. It attacks a right that is core to our nation's earliest days.

[Jane Kostin]

Trump also declared a national emergency at the southern border, and his administration shut down a Biden era mobile app to streamline the asylum process for migrants and reduce illegal border crossings. On Monday, thousands of people who'd been waiting at the US Mexico border for the chance to claim asylum found out that their appointments with the US Government had been canceled. One of those people was Marheli Tinoco of Colombia. She told Texas CBS affiliate KXII that she would still try to enter the U.S. here she is speaking through an interpreter.

[Marheli Tinoco]

Tinoco said she knows that she will be able to cross into the US Someday. She will not give up on the American dream because she doesn't know what to tell her kids. When appointments were canceled, Marheli said if US Authorities do not bring the program back, she will turn herself in to CBP because she wants to protect her life.

[Jane Kostin]

Trump also signed orders bringing back his so called remain in Mexico policy to make asylum seekers wait in Mexico while their claims play out in the US Courts. He signed orders to label some drug cartels terrorist organizations. He paused the U.S. refugee resettlement program. And then on Tuesday, the administration threw out long standing policies that limit arrests of migrants at places like churches and schools. There's more, and it's all shocking and upsetting and frankly, the cruelty of it all is the point. Some of this is just to scare people. To talk more about the real world effects of Trump's executive orders on immigration, I spoke with Emily Greene. She's a freelance reporter covering Latin America and is based in Mexico City. Emily, welcome to what a day.

[Emily Greene]

Thanks so much for having me.

[Interviewer]

So what does it mean to declare a national emergency at the US Southern border, practically speaking? Like, what actually changes with that designation?

[Emily Greene]

I mean, it gives Trump a lot more powers, take more executive actions around the border, whether that be deploying the military to the border or building the wall, or to continue to build the wall as he wants it.

[Interviewer]

Moving on to the CBP1 app that was shut down Monday. What does ending this program mean for the hundreds of thousands of migrants who've been relying on it for a chance to enter the US Legally?

[Emily Greene]

There's essentially now no legal pathways for entering the US for migrants, I mean, there are legal pathways, but for those that are impoverished or those that don't have family in the U.S. at this point, there's not really a legal pathway for entering. And what you're seeing right now are just the scenes of thousands of migrants at the border who had appointments that are stranded. And these migrants, for the most part, have been waiting for months and months and months to get that appointment to enter the US through this legal mechanism. And now that is completely shut down. And so there's a lot of confusion, a lot of panic, a lot of, I mean, just despair. I would say it's a big shift.

[Interviewer]

So many of these people have traveled.

[Jane Kostin]

Tens of thousands of miles.

[Interviewer]

They've risked their lives to leave their home countries. Do you think more people will resort to crossing illegally or will they forego trying to get into the United States, as the Trump administration seems to hope?

[Emily Greene]

I mean, I think it's hard to say. I think that you're gonna see a certain number of those migrants who are waiting for CBB appointments say we made it this far. Yeah, we're going to hire a smuggler to help us get into the United States illegally. Some might turn back. I don't want to say make prognoses right now. And I don't know for sure what the bigger picture is going to look like, but there's no doubt that there is a certain percentage of these migrants who are waiting for CBB appointments who will hire smugglers to help them get into the United States illegally.

[Jane Kostin]

Trump also brought back his so called.

[Interviewer]

Remain in Mexico program, which requires asylum seekers to wait in Mexico while their claims play out in court. What has Mexico said about this?

[Emily Greene]

Mexico's president has been a little bit tepid on it. You know, she said she was opposed to the program and then she said they were going to act in a, quote, humanitarian way. I think what you have to remember for Mexico is that the threat of tariffs is so overwhelming, so terrifying and scary that they will do whatever it takes to avoid tariffs and potentially crippling the Mexican economy.

[Interviewer]

Let's talk about another executive order Trump signed Monday to end birthright citizenship for the newborn children of undocumented immigrants. Now, the general consensus among legal scholars.

[Jane Kostin]

Of all stripes seem to be that.

[Interviewer]

The courts will strike this down. But what will it practically mean if Trump succeeds here and this long held constitutional right comes to an end?

[Emily Greene]

You know, I don't know. I would love to tell you, but I don't really know. You know, I think it's going to be a fundamental shift in the, the American identity, that's for sure. I mean, the US Identity is based on being a nation of immigrants. And that would fundamentally shift if that went into effect. But I cannot say on a practical level how that would play out.

[Interviewer]

In his inaugural address, Trump mentioned deploying federal and state law enforcement to eradicate foreign gangs and criminals in the US by invoking the Alien Enemies act of 1798. And one, it's an act from 1798 and it's a wartime law that's rarely been used. What are the real world consequences of invoking this law?

[Emily Greene]

I mean, I think that one of the real world consequences is like, is you're gonna see more sort of this deployment of the military to execute, to carry out sort of immigration enforcement. And that is something that there is some precedent of that, especially in Trump's first term, but we haven't seen that writ large. And I think that that's really what he's aiming for, is basically using the US military to enforce imm. And that is sort of the end goal in many of these executive orders.

[Interviewer]

What about labeling cartels as terrorist organizations?

[Jane Kostin]

That's a part of this.

[Interviewer]

And I just keep thinking about how the war on terror hasn't gone so great, and I feel like this is not going to go well. But I'm curious as to what you think.

[Emily Greene]

Yeah, I mean, I think that so many of this stuff is gonna play out in the details. You know, I think that, like, it's just like there's so much that we don't know how it's gonna play out, because, one, they're gonna be subject to court challenges, and two, it's gonna be in the details. That could be a fundamental shift. It could also enormously backfire, because sometimes you are seeing US Companies either work or sort of maybe even inadvertently have ties to cartels. I'm not saying that it's, like, purposeful, but they are sometimes that that's happened through the US Banking system, for example, in terms of laundering money, et cetera. And so what does that mean? Are they going to then be charged with terrorism in some way? I mean, these are really like that. I think a lot of scholars and a lot of activists are pondering right.

[Interviewer]

Now the last time the Alien Enemies act was invoked, it was to intern Japanese Americans during World War II. But we are in a weird moment globally in which a lot of Western governments are turning against immigration. So how do you think this will be received internationally?

[Emily Greene]

You know, I think that in terms of immigration, one of the things that I've seen reporting from Mexico is that, like, migrants in many ways are on the lowest part of the totem pole. Like, they're very easy bargaining chips. And so that's what you're seeing a lot of. I think you're not seeing Western governments on the whole, stand up for migrants. I mean, they've become a political liability. It's standing up for people who are not from your home country. And, for example, let's say the example of Venezuelans, it's not like as if Venezuela is so keen to defend Venezuelans who fled that country. And it's not as if Mexico is eager to defend Venezuelans or the US Is eager to defend Venezuelans. They're very easy bargaining chips. So I think that this is what you're saying. They're in some ways the easiest bargaining chips in terms of bigger political fights over trade, over predominance, who's going to have more dominance in the world, China or the United States. And in this you have migrants who are very nobody's gonna stand up and particularly defend Emily.

[Interviewer]

Thank you so much for joining me. This has been really helpful.

[Emily Greene]

Thank you.

[Jane Kostin]

That was my conversation with freelance reporter Emily Green. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ad waterday.

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[Jane Kostin]

Here'S what else we're following today.

[Emily Greene]

Head of Lines.

[Donald Trump]

They've served years in jail, and murderers don't even go to jail in this country.

[Jane Kostin]

On his first day as president, Trump made good on his promise to grant clemency to all of the roughly 1,500 of his supporters who were criminally charged for their role in the insurrection. Dozens of January 6th rioters were released from federal prison Monday night, just hours after President Trump issued them full, complete and unconditional pardons. Vice President J.D. vance previously said that he and Trump would look at things on a case by case basis and that rioters who committed violent acts should not receive pardons. But they did. Michael fanon, a former D.C. police officer who was attacked on January 6, spoke to CNN on Monday shortly after the rioters were released.

[Matthew Platkin]

Rest assured, I have been betrayed by my country and I've been betrayed by those that supported Donald Trump.

[Jane Kostin]

Members of Trump's own party also came out to criticize the pardons. Here's Republican Senator Thom Tellis speaking to Spectrum News on Tuesday. Anybody who was convicted of assault on a police officer, I just, I can't get there at all. I think it's it was a bad idea. Among those who walked free on Monday include former Proud Boys chairman Enrique Tarrio and Oathkeepers founder Stewart Rhodes, both of whom were criminally charged for planning the insurrection. More prisoners will likely be released in the coming days.

[Matthew Platkin]

If confirmed. I will work to ensure that our mission to the United nations serves the interests of the American people and represents President Trump's America First Peace through strength.

[Jane Kostin]

Foreign policy Senate confirmation hearings continued on Tuesday with New York Representative Elise Stefanik, Trump's nominee for United nations ambassador. She fielded questions from members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. When asked about the war in Ukraine, Stefanik would not say how the new administration plans to hold Russia accountable. On the subject of the Middle East, Stefanik advocated for stronger US Support for Israel.

[Matthew Platkin]

If you look at the anti Semitic rot within the United nations, there are more resolutions targeting Israel than any other country, any other crisis combined.

[Jane Kostin]

Stefanik also said that the US should cut funding to the UN Specifically the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine refugees in the Near East. The Senate is expected to confirm Stefanik. Two of Trump's other nominees also had confirmation hearings on Russell Vogt, nominee for director of the Office of Management and Budget, and Doug Collins, Trump's pick for Secretary of Veteran Affairs Donald Trump is making big changes at the Department of Justice. Citing anonymous sources, the Washington Post reported Tuesday at least 15 career staffers across several divisions, including criminal and national security, were removed from their positions and reassigned. The post said that many officials were transferred within the DOJ to positions where they'd have less influence on big decisions. The Justice Department declined to comment. The Coast Guard's top admiral was also removed from her position Tuesday, the Department of Homeland Security said. Linda Fagan was terminated, quote, because of her leadership deficiencies, operational failures and inability to advance the strategic objectives of the US Coast Guard. Fagan was the Coast Guard's first female four star admiral. Ninety Palestinian prisoners and detainees were released by Israel on Monday as part of its ceasefire agreement with Hamas. Most of the people released were women and children, a freed Palestinian prisoner told CNN after her release. It's an amazing feeling, but a very heavy deb. Over the next six weeks, thousands more Palestinian prisoners are expected to be released in phases. Hamas released three hostages Sunday and is scheduled to gradually release 30 more. The next group of hostages are set to be freed January 25th. Amid the pause and fighting in Gaza, thousands of displaced Palestinians are starting to return to their homes, many of which were destroyed in Israeli airstrikes. UN humanitarian chief Tom Fletcher said more than 630 desperately needed aid trucks were able to enter Gaza despite the ceasefire in place. Israel launched a military operation in the occupied West Bank. Palestinian officials said at least nine people were killed and 40 others were hurt. And that's the news. One more thing.

[Interviewer]

Eggs.

[Jane Kostin]

You may or may not eat them. And you may or may not have noticed that right now eggs are either super expensive or totally unavailable. As a noted protein aficionado, it's been tough out here for me.

[Jon Stewart]

A USDA report released last Friday shows retail prices for eggs range from $2 to $10 a dozen.

[Jane Kostin]

In fact, groceries are still really expensive. According to the Wall Street Journal, the price of everyday goods like coffee, cereal and chocolate are rising due to bad weather and tough markets for producers. Now, you might recall that Donald Trump talked a lot during the campaign about how he was going to lower grocery prices.

[Donald Trump]

But prices will come down. You just watch. They'll come down and they'll come down fast. Not only with insurance, with everything.

[Jane Kostin]

He talked about groceries a lot.

[Donald Trump]

When you buy apples, when you buy bacon, when you buy eggs, they would double and triple the price over a short period of time. And I won an election based on that. We're going to bring those prices way down.

[Jane Kostin]

But despite believing that he won based on the issue of how much food costs. Trump told Time magazine after the election that maybe it would be a little tougher than that, saying, quote, it's hard to bring things down once they're up. You know, it's very hard. The wisdom of the age as we've discussed, Trump signed a bunch of executive orders on Monday on everything from making life harder for trans people to renaming bodies of water for reasons we've been keeping track of all of his executive orders because there are a lot of them. Many are very detailed, but on the subject of the economy, specifically groceries, there isn't much there. In fact, the only executive order I could find that mentions food states that it is delivering emergency price relief. It reads in part as follows, quote, I hereby order the heads of all executive departments and agencies to deliver emergency price relief consistent with applicable law to the American people and increase the prosperity of the American worker. That's it. Now, what is emergency price relief? I don't know. And based on the order text, I don't think Trump knows either. One of the items listed in the order is creating employment for American workers. You know, the kind of specific, actionable task a federal agency can definitely do in a month. Oh, while the administration is also enacting tariffs that will raise prices on pretty much everything in 30 days, the assistant to the President for economic policy is supposed to tell Trump if every department has delivered emergency price relief. It's like that episode of the Office where Michael Scott declares bankruptcy. And to me it's just as meaningless because while groceries may have been a priority for voters, they clearly were not a priority for Donald Trump. Before we go look, we know political news feels bad right now. We're down, very, very down. But we're definitely not out. Our friends at Vote Save America are creating space for you to recharge, find solace in community, have a little fun, and figure out what you can do to protect communities at risk under Trump and build progressive power in 2025 and beyond. Go to votesaveamerica.com and sign up for their email list to get next steps. This message has been paid for by VoteSave America. You can learn more at VoteSaveAmerica.com and this ad has not been authorized by any candidate or candidates committee. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe, leave a review, send me recipes for high protein breakfasts that don't involve eggs, and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading and not just about how egg whites are still available but have the general consistency of what I'd call confused water. Like me, what a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and [e-mail] subscribe I'm Jane Coston and please get that bird flu vaccine handled guys. Water Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producers are Raven Yamamoto and Emily Foer. Our producer is Michelle Aloy. We had production help today from Johanna Case, Joseph Dutra, Greg Walters and Julia Claire. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison and our executive producer is Adrienne Hill. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.

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