C (3:15)

Great to be back. Thanks.

A (3:17)

So at the start of President Trump's first term, many moons ago, in 2017, the Trump Organization agreed not to enter into any new foreign business deals. Did they abide by that pledge?

C (3:33)

I mean, broadly, yes. I mean, it sort of depends what you mean by deals. So during Donald Trump's first term, there were many foreign leaders who stayed in Trump Properties who otherwise put money into the Trump Organization. But in terms of new, for example, real estate deals, licensing deals, he didn't really do them with foreign countries, and he largely stuck by that.

A (4:01)

What were some of the more glaring conflicts of interest that you reported on during the first Trump administration?

C (4:06)

Yeah, so, I mean, one of the things that, you know, Trump was sued by a number of different parties for violating the emoluments clause, which sounds like an extremely obscure part of the Constitution. And it pretty much was a very obscure part of the Constitution. Nobody had ever invoked it, really, in any kind of serious way, just to back up. So the founders were very, very concerned about corruption. They were as concerned about corruption as a threat to the new Republic as they were about war. So they put in this clause that said, if you are the President of the United States, you cannot accept a gift from a foreign leader unless Congress approves it. And the idea behind that was that everybody understands that if somebody gives you a very nice gift, for example, Benjamin Franklin had been given a snuff box with some 400 diamonds. And the founders understood that if you took something like that an hour later, you probably wouldn't be voting against that person's interest. So that was the idea. So there were a number of lawsuits during the first Trump administration against his taking gifts from foreign leaders in the form of their patronizing Trump properties, for the most part. So that came up. The other thing that happened quite a bit is that Trump promoted his brands from the White House. He would go to his golf courses, he would talk about how great they were, he would talk about his properties all the time, and he would use the White House to promote his business in a way that he hadn't promised to do. And also he would bring these large entourages to his properties and then they would pay him money. I mean the so called perfect phone call where Trump called Ukrainian President Zelensky and said, do a investigation of Joe Biden and I'll take care of the rest. In that phone call, Zelenskyy said, oh by the way, I stayed in one of your hotels. And it was great. Because foreign leaders understood that the way to Trump's heart was to patronize his businesses.

A (6:06)

So true. And while Donald Trump was out of office, he was very busy selling Trump branded products, including bibles, sneakers, watches and way more. He was basically like QVC, but for himself. Is his family still profiting from all of these items or has that died down now that Trump can't hock them as directly? I mean he probably would, but he doesn't.

C (6:25)

The Trump family business, according to various estimates, has made anywhere from a billion to $6 billion, at least on paper during the presidency. And this comes from all kinds of things. I mean it comes from things like the Meme Coin, the Trump Meme Coin, which he announced just days before he took office. He started a crypto company, World Liberty Financial, which is run by essentially his, his sons, all three of them, Eric, Don Jr. And Baron Trump, who is still in college. And that is also making money through various foreign deals that it's doing and including with people who Trump is doing foreign policy deals with, with someone who wanted a pardon from Trump. There are all these avenues to do business with the President's family business in a way that Trump, although he's not running the family business in a day to day way, he still can make money off of it.

A (7:28)

And this time around, the gloves are totally off, basically non existent when it comes to foreign deals. How are Trump sons justifying that reversal if they're even doing that at all?

C (7:39)

Yes. So I was at a bitcoin conference with Don Jr. And Eric and they were very clear. They said we were punished during the first Trump administration for, for whatever we said and, and you can't win. So we are going to go ahead and be business people and make money as we are entitled to do it. And they have really done that. I mean, they have sold real estate around the globe, including a deal that they are working on right now with Saudi Arabia. They have other property deals going, they have investments coming from the Middle East. There are a myriad of ways in which foreign investors and some US Investors are involving themselves in the Trump family business while Donald Trump is president. And we've never Seen anything like it.

A (8:24)

It's interesting you brought up Saudi Arabia because Trump, during his meeting with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman earlier this week, he said that the Trump Organization has done very little business in Saudi Arabia, which, to your point, sounds not very true. But he also said, quote, I have nothing to do with the family business. Is that true? Like, I, I know that that's one of those things where it seems obviously false, but also I'm like, does he have any plausible deniability there?

C (8:49)

Well, the family business is named Trump.

A (8:52)

Yes.

C (8:52)

So I think everybody understands what that means. You know, this is somebody who bestows favors on his friends and punishes his enemies. And everyone understands the world way to Trump's heart is to give him money. He's had foreign leaders from Switzerland come and give him watches. He's had huge media organizations who want things from the Trump presidency to settle lawsuits and donate to all kinds of, you know, sort of intangible things like the new ballroom or the Trump library. The Qatari government gave him a $400 million plane which is going to replace Airport One, which needs to be properly retrofitted. And then after Trump is president, it won't be the pro, the property of the US Government. It will go to the Trump Museum slash Foundation, which Trump will then control. So there are lots of ways to give to Trump and to get his attention, which don't mean that he's sitting at a desk signing loan documents. But people understand that he is the head of the, of the company.

A (10:04)

Yes, I do think that getting a giant plane from a Middle Eastern government does constitute doing business. But you mentioned the Trump family launched World Liberty Financial, a cryptocurrency company. How successful has World Liberty Financial been since Trump took office?

C (10:23)

I mean, so again, like, this is something, you know, crypto is a business where part of the way you make money is by hanging onto it and getting more people to buy it. And World Liberty Financial has gotten this huge infusion of money this spring from the United Arab Emirates that was in fact brokered by a crypto company named Binance, whose CEO was at the time seeking a pardon from the president.

A (10:55)

So they would that be a crypto billionaire? Changpeng Jack?

C (10:59)

Exactly. Or CZ as people call him. So the company is sort of drawn a lot of attention and a lot of money. And I think it's quite obvious what happens when people understand that Trump is associated with this company. Now, if you go to the company's website, you will see that Donald Trump and his co founder, Steve Witkoff if that name sounds familiar to people, it's because Steve Witkoff is Trump's envoy to the Middle east now negotiating possibly a Ukraine deal with Russia. And they are listed on the website as founders emeritus. And then there's a little asterisk that said, well, you know, they're not running the company anymore, but their pictures are on the website. And Donald Trump is nothing if not a master of branding. And I think it's pretty clear to him how to get people's attention and how to get people people's investment. And I think in some ways, it's kind of the perfect Trump business, because it depends on gaining the confidence of consumers and getting people to place their money in this pool of money where Trump can. The Trump family, broadly speaking, can figure out ways to make money from it. And Donald Trump, if we, you know, he says, okay, I'm. I'm just own this. I'm not involved with it. But he, too, is in a position to profit.

A (12:18)

Now, I knew a lot of this, but you putting it all together is like, it's the amount of obvious. To me, corruption is astronomical. Is there any work being done to try to rein any of this in or apply more oversight towards President Trump's apparent conflicts of interest? Or are we just like, have we just blown past that highway exit to.

C (12:39)

The question of oversight? What happened this time around is not only did Donald Trump sort of take over the presidency and make this announcement, but he also, very early on fired the inspector inspectors general, the corruptions, watchdogs. So the people internally who might blow the whistle are gone. The other entity that can really blow the whistle is Congress. There are some Democrats in Congress who've been very actively protesting this. But I think until we see the Republican controlled Senate and the Republican controlled House decide to blow a whistle on it, the control mediums or the ways to control what Donald Trump is doing are blunted. On top of that, you have a Supreme Court which ruled in Trump versus the United States, which was the case that arose out of the January 6th case, that Trump had extremely broad immunity and could be prosecuted for very little, almost nothing that he did while in office. I mean, there are some exceptions, but it gave him immunity to use his government office to do many things. So he feels very empowered, and that enables him to do things that not only promote his ideology and his philosophy and his principles, but also things that can help his company with a lot more impunity.

A (14:01)

Great. Andrea, thank you so much for joining me.

C (14:04)

It's great to talk to you.

A (14:06)

That was my conversation with Andrea Bernstein, podcast host and author of American the Kushners, the Trumps and the Marriage of Money and Power. We'll get to more of the news in a moment, but if you like the show, make sure to subscribe. Leave a five star review on Apple Podcasts, watch us on YouTube and share with your friends. More to come after some ads. What a day is Brought to you by Deleteme Deleteme makes it easy, quick and safe to remove your personal data online. At a time when surveillance and data breaches are common enough to make everyone vulnerable, Deleteme does all the hard work of wiping you and your family's personal information from data broker websites. DeleteMe knows your privacy is worth protecting. Sign up and provide Deleteme with exactly what information you want deleted and their experts take it from there. DeleteMe sends you regular personalized privacy reports showing what info they found, where they found it and what they removed. And Deleteme isn't just a one time service. DeleteMe is always working for you, constantly monitoring and removing the personal information you don't want on the Internet. I care a lot about my privacy because have you ever been a victim of identity theft or harassment? Doxxing? If you haven't, you probably know someone who has. Deleteme can help take control of your data and keep your private life private by signing up for Deleteme now at a special discount for our listeners. Get 20% off your Delete Me plan when you go to JoinDeleteMe.com wad and use promo code WAD at checkout. The only way to get 20% off is to go to JoinDeleteMe.com WAD and enter code WAD at checkout. That's JoinDeleteMe.com WAD code WAD.

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A (16:48)

Here's what else we're following today. Head of Lines.

B (16:55)

This administration is pitting.

A (16:56)

Our uniformed military and intelligence community professionals.

B (17:00)

Against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath to protect.

A (17:04)

And defend this Constitution. In a video posted Tuesday, six Democratic lawmakers with military and national security backgrounds told service members that they not only can refuse unlawful commands, but that they must. Trump very normally replied on Truth Social by calling the video seditious behavior punishable by death. He then amplified posts claiming the video was an insurrection. Some even called for the lawmakers to be hanged, something Trump typically reserves only for his former vice president. Michigan Democratic Senator Alyssa Slotkin responded on Thursday, I would hope that people of all backgrounds, Democrat, Republican, Independent would agree that threatening death for people you disagree with is beyond the pale of who we are as Americans. At a briefing Thursday, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt defended Trump's post, saying, quote, to suggest and encourage that active duty service members defy the chain of command is a very dangerous thing for sitting members of Congress to do. Colorado Democratic Representative Jason Crow, one of the veterans in the video, spoke with Crooked Media's Matt Berg, who asked Crow about Levitt's statement.

B (18:10)

What they do is they literally say the exact opposite of what we said. What we said was the oath and the Constitution and the law require that people only obey lawful orders because there is actually a law that says you can't violate the law if you are in uniform. That's what we stated. They are trying to say the opposite and accuse us of things that we did not say, which, you know, is par for the course with them.

A (18:39)

The government finally released its September job numbers. You know, the ones that would have been released in early October if it wasn't delayed by the longest government shutdown ever. The Department of Labor said 119,000 jobs were added, an unexpectedly strong number given the 50,000 jobs economists had predicted. But unfortunately for Trump, the good news ends there. The delayed report offered revisions on August job numbers, citing the loss of 4,000 jobs instead of the 22,000 added jobs reported originally. Not great. Aaaand more bad news for Mr. The economy is booming. The economy also lost jobs in June, which marked the first time since the 2020 pandemic that the monthly jobs report turned negative twice in a single year. We'll also have to wait even longer to get more real job numbers, since the Department of Labor said Wednesday that a full October job report won't be coming because the government shutdown prevented it from calculating the unemployment rate. It was reported that Customs and Border Patrol was winding down its immigration enforcement operation in Charlotte, North Carolina. Nearly a week after agents were first deployed to the city, according to the local sheriff's office. But Department of Homeland security spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin told news outlets the operation is not over and it is not ending anytime soon, ruining both lives in a classic children's book. In one fell swoop, Operation Charlotte's Web has resulted in the arrest of more than 250 people by immigration officers in North Carolina, though federal officials have offered few details about those arrested. And because CBP is an equal opportunity terrifier, the Associated Press reported earlier this week that it is preparing a new enforcement operation focused on Louisiana and Mississippi. According to internal documents obtained by the AP and people familiar with the plan, agents could begin staging in the region as early as today, ahead of a December 1st launch. Operation Swamp Sweep aims to arrest up to 5,000 people who are in the US illegally over the coming weeks. There's slightly better news coming out of Chicago, though. On Wednesday, a federal judge ordered the release of more than 300 people detained during federal immigration enforcement operations in the city. Attorneys argued the arrests violated a standing court order because they were carried out without warrants.

C (20:53)

It speaks volumes that tomorrow we have a communist coming to the White House because that's who the Democrat Party elected as the mayor of of the largest city in the country.

A (21:03)

White House press secretary and top of the worst Americans list Caroline Levitt said Thursday President Trump is willing to meet with anyone on behalf of Americans, and by anyone, she means New York City Mayor Elect Zoran Mamdani. How kind of the president. For what it's worth, Mamdani has been very vocal about being a Democratic socialist, not a communist. Not that I would expect Caroline Levitt to know the difference. Trump said in a Truth Social post this week that Mamdani asked to meet and confirmed a sit down would take place in the Oval Office today. Mamdani told reporters ahead of his trip to D.C. that the meeting gives him a chance to make his case.

B (21:37)

It's more critical than ever given the national crisis of affordability, one that New Yorkers know very well across these five boroughs and the specific challenge many cities are facing with balancing public safety against steps taken by this administration.

A (21:54)

But don't worry, Mamdani hasn't blown its principles to Curry.

B (21:57)

Favorite I have many disagreements with the president and I believe that we should be relentless and pursue all avenues and all meetings that could make our city affordable for every single New Yorker, mamdani.

A (22:11)

Won New York City's mayoral race earlier this month. With a campaign heavily focused on the affordability crisis, Trump watched the race closely with a particular disdain for Mamdani. The president had threatened to punish New York City, his hometown that now hates him, by withholding federal funds if Mandani won. Nothing like a hometown feud to get you in the spirit of Thanksgiving. And that's the news. One more thing. It's Friday, so let's end our show with some positive news. Everyone kind of hates this presidency. Trump's approval rating has fallen to 38%, according to Reuters. He's dropped 17 points with independence. And Fox News reported on Wednesday that his approval rating on the economy is the lowest of either of his terms. In office, though Fox and Friends host Lawrence Jones argue that maybe the American people are being too mean to poor old Donald Trump.

B (23:16)

I'm not gonna tell the American people how to feel, because I think Joe Biden made that mistake of saying, hey, you know, it's transitory. You're not feeling it. But it has only been nine months. And the bill, the big, beautiful bill has not. It was passed, but it's not been implemented just yet. There's still some time for that. So he's giving people. And then when it comes to some of the energy policy, all of that has not been implemented just yet. So I'm not saying hold on a little bit, but I am saying it's kind of unfair when someone has been there nine months to put it all on them.

A (23:52)

It definitely sounds like he's trying to tell the American people what to feel and to hold on a little bit. But I digress. Trump's approval has plummeted with pretty much everyone. According to YouGov, his net approval with white Americans has fallen by 17 points and his net approval with black Americans has dropped 36 points. Though it's worth noting that his approval with black Americans was already negative at the start of a second term. And with Latino voters, It's very bad. CNN's Harry Entin on Tuesday took a deep dive on the numbers.

B (24:23)

You know, back a year ago, what did we see on the issue of immigration, Latino voters trusted Kamala Harris more than Donald Trump, but by just two points. One, two. Look now at Donald Trump's net approval rating on immigration among Latinos. He is 38 points underwater. That is a 36 point point shift essentially from where we were a year ago on immigration. Kamala Harris and Donald Trump are basically tied on the issue of immigration. And now on the issue of immigration, Latinos despise hate Donald Trump 38 points underwater. In their mind, he is doing something absolutely wrong when it comes to immigration.

A (24:59)

Looking at all of this, perhaps Trump's election did not mark a vibe shift or a golden age, or a reason for financial professionals to start using slurs again. Maybe, just maybe, voters thought that Donald Trump would make the economy like it was in 2019. And he hasn't. Instead, he's destroyed the east wing of the White House, apparently, given the keys to the Twitter feed for the Department of Homeland Security to white nationalist shitposters, and made lots and lots of money for himself and his family. Maybe that's why voters are mad. Just a theory. Before we go hey Wad Squad, you know that here at Crooked Media we believe in a better conversation. We help you break down the headlines without losing your sanity. If you like what we do, please consider subscribing to Friends of the Pod. It's the most effective way to support our work. And in return, you get ad free episodes of all of your favorite Crooked shows, plus subscriber exclusive bonus content like Polar Coaster with Dan Pfeiffer. And if you need an extra reason to subscribe this holiday season, we're offering 25% off annual subscriptions through November 30th. Head over to Cricut.com friends to subscribe now. That's all for today. If you like the show, make sure you subscribe. Leave a review, say Toodaloo to Larry Summers at Harvard and tell your friends to listen. And if you're into reading, I'm not just about the former president of Harvard University whose chummy emails with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein were exposed by the House Oversight Committee earlier this month, and who, after saying earlier this week that he'd keep teaching at Harvard, decided to step aside while Harvard completes a review of his ties to Epstein? Like me, what a Day is also a nightly newsletter. Check it out and subscribe@crooked.com subscribe I'm Jane Coston, and I've already seen some pundits arguing that this is a witch hunt. But honestly, this was a man who asked Jeffrey Epstein how to seduce a tiny student he was mentoring while married. So it's more of an idiot hunt. What a Day is a production of Crooked Media. It's recorded and mixed by Desmond Taylor. Our associate producers are Emily Foer and Chris Allport. Our video editor is Joseph Dutra. Our video producer is Johanna Case. We had production help today from Greg Walters, Matt Berg, Kaitlin Plummer, Tyler Hill, and Ethan Oberman. Our senior producer is Erica Morrison. And our senior vice president of news and politics is Adrienne Hill. We had help today from the Associated Press. Our theme music is by Colin Gilliard and Kashaka. Our production staff is proudly unionized with the Writers Guild of America East.

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