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What Are You Made Of? with Mike "C-Roc" Ciorrocco

Episode: Exploring the World and the Web: Chris Christensen on Travel, Technology, and Podcasting Legacy
Date: January 12, 2026
Guest: Chris Christensen (Amateur Traveler, Bible Study Podcast)

Overview of the Episode

In this episode, Mike "C-Roc" Ciorrocco interviews Chris Christensen, a pioneering travel podcaster and technology veteran. The conversation dives into curiosity as a driving force, the evolution of technology and artificial intelligence, the origins and growth of podcasting, and the life-changing effects of a passion for travel. Chris also briefly discusses his faith and second podcast, revealing what motivates his ongoing projects.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Curiosity, Tech, and AI: How Chris is “Made”

• Defining Trait: Chris attributes his entire arc in life and work to curiosity.
  • “I think curiosity is probably the one thing that is kind of been defining throughout my entire arc. It's just I don't like not knowing stuff.” (00:29, Chris)
• Tech Career Beginnings:
  • Started in high-tech, web development, and worked at large and small companies including HP, IBM, American Express, and TripAdvisor.
  • Early exposure to the Internet and pre-web technologies fostered his adaptability as the web evolved.
  • “Everything you learned in school is obsolete by the time you’re out of school for 10 years or something like that.” (00:49, Chris)
• Evolution of AI:
  • Took an AI class in 1984; saw the shift from expert systems and fuzzy logic to today’s neural networks and LLMs.
  • “Today a lot of the things with large language models are more like neural nets...the people who trained the model, they can’t exactly tell you what the model ‘thinks’.” (04:51–05:44, Chris)
  • Uses LLMs (ChatGPT, etc.) daily, and sees the technology moving fast, becoming more bespoke and energy-efficient.
• AI’s Broader Impact & Sustainability:
  • Discussion about energy consumption in data centers and potential for renewable solutions.
  • Chris is skeptical about conspiracy theories regarding energy tech suppression, noting the scale and influence of tech companies over oil in this era.
  • “The richest guys in the world aren’t oil guys.” (11:34, Chris)

Podcasting: From Early Days to a Global Platform

• Origin Story:
  • Inspiration from “Call For Help”/This Week in Tech podcast; Chris began listening and quickly got the podcasting bug.
  • Initially considered tech or religious podcasts but landed on travel due to organic storytelling at social gatherings.
• Starting Out:
  • Launched Amateur Traveler in July 2005, less than a year after podcasting's inception.
  • “The two best dates to start a podcast, I would say now, one is 20 years ago, and the other one's tomorrow.” (14:19, Chris)
• Tech Evolution in Distribution:
  • Early podcasts were distributed on iPods and pre-iPod MP3 players, requiring manual downloads.
  • The iPhone accelerated mainstream adoption: “There was a real knee in that curve.” (16:28, Chris)
• Growth and Milestones:
  • Now, Amateur Traveler is syndicated on airlines, has tens of thousands of listeners, and Chris even became a podcast Hall of Famer.
• Unexpected Opportunities:
  • Travel invitations, White House visit, serving as "paparazzi" for the Pope in Jordan, even being part of language instruction for the Thai Foreign Ministry.
  • “I got invited to the White House. I was paparazzi for the Pope for a day in Jordan.” (21:10, Chris)

Professionalizing the Passion: Monetization and Scaling

• Early Monetization:
  • Sold first ads within six months via the Fruitcast network (now defunct).
• Delegation:
  • Chris outsources ad sales: “I hate selling. I hate to pick up the phone and selling stuff. That is not my jam.” (24:57, Chris)
• Current Revenue:
  • Podcast advertising and syndication (notably on airlines) are now primary revenue streams.
• Content Diversification:
  • Grows audience and content through short-form videos and multiple blogs.

Travel as a Life and Learning Tool

• Travel Upbringing and Expansion:
  • Family road trips to U.S. national parks; by college, Chris had visited 35 states but only one foreign country (Canada).
  • Travel increased exponentially following the rise of his podcast and after retiring from his tech career in 2024.
  • “Last year I was away from home 180 nights and traveled 120,000 [miles].” (17:51, Chris)
• Hosted Press Trips:
  • Travel opportunities grew as his podcast audience and influence did. Now often travels at the invitation of tourism boards and companies in exchange for content.
• Best Places:
  • Egypt (history), Botswana (wildlife), Istanbul (history, culture). “It’s that curiosity thing. …Just amazing history there.” (22:22, Chris)

Platforms and Content Strategy

• Short-Form Video:
  • Only ramped up video efforts recently due to time constraints while working a full-time job.
• Favorite Platforms:
  • Consumes on Instagram and YouTube.
  • Podcast remains the “cornerstone” for both audience and revenue.
• Syndication:
  • Amateur Traveler featured as in-flight entertainment on airlines in 2025.

Podcasting, Faith, and Legacy

• Bible Study Podcast:
  • Weekly podcast running since 2006 (900+ episodes), solo and short-form.
  • Different audience and emotional impact: “Very different feedback for the two shows. Got a letter from somebody in Bible Study Podcast recently: ‘You literally saved my life.’ Did not elaborate…” (25:37, Chris)
• Approach:
  • Walks through books of the Bible, segment by segment.
  • Sometimes cross-references AI or other resources for background or clarification but prefers a direct, reader-based approach.
• Personal Growth:
  • Finds that re-reading and teaching scripture delivers new insights each time: “You’re in a different place, you’re listening differently.” (28:06, Chris)

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On curiosity and learning:
  • “Once you know stuff, you gotta tell somebody else, right?” (00:34, Chris)
• On starting a podcast:
  • “The two best dates to start a podcast … one is 20 years ago, and the other one’s tomorrow.” (14:19, Chris)
• On how podcasting changes your life:
  • “Things you couldn’t predict. … I got invited to the White House. I was paparazzi for the Pope for a day in Jordan.” (21:10, Chris)
• On podcasting legacy:
  • “[I’m] sitting here in front of a podcast hall of fame award, which still blows my mind. I don’t understand that.” (21:45, Chris)
• On evolving spiritually:
  • “You’re in a different place, you’re listening differently…Absolutely.” (28:06, Chris)
• On scaling and delegation:
  • “I’d rather split the fee with someone else and let them deal with it.” (25:14, Chris)

Timestamps of Key Segments

• 00:29 – Chris: “I think curiosity is probably the one thing that has kind of been defining…”
• 04:51–05:44 – Chris explains the difference between early AI and today’s neural nets
• 14:19 – Chris: “The two best dates to start a podcast … one is 20 years ago, and the other one’s tomorrow.”
• 17:51 – Chris: “Last year I was away from home 180 nights and traveled 120,000 [miles].”
• 21:10 – Chris: “I got invited to the White House. … Paparazzi for the Pope in Jordan…”
• 22:22 – Chris: Top 3 favorite travel destinations: Egypt, Botswana, Istanbul
• 24:57 – Chris: “I hate selling. I hate to pick up the phone and selling stuff…”
• 25:37 – Chris: “Very different feedback for the two shows. Got a letter…”
• 28:06 – Chris: “You’re in a different place, you’re listening differently.”

Resources and Where to Find Chris

• Amateur Traveler Podcast & Travel Blog: amateurtraveler.com
• Bible Study Podcast: thebiblestudypodcast.com
• Hotel Reviews: hotel-scoop.com
• Social Media: Instagram, TikTok, YouTube (“@amateurtraveler” and related handles)

This episode illustrates the importance of curiosity, adaptability, and passion—whether in tech, travel, podcasting, or faith—and how leaning into your “genius” can create both impact and extraordinary opportunities.