Frequency, Fame, and the Other Side with Medium Inspiration Allison DuBois

Summary

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Podcast Summary: What Are You Made Of?

Episode: Frequency, Fame, and the Other Side with Medium Inspiration Allison DuBois
Host: Mike “C-Roc” Ciorrocco
Guest: Allison DuBois
Release Date: December 16, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this insightful episode, Mike “C-Roc” sits down with Allison DuBois—the renowned medium whose life inspired the hit TV show Medium. They delve into Allison’s journey as a medium, her early experiences with the supernatural, navigating fame, personal and professional evolution, and the overlap of science and spirituality. Listeners are treated to candid conversations on dealing with skepticism, the challenges and opportunities of notoriety, and thoughtful discussions on energy, frequency, justice, and the possible intersections between physics and mediumship.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Allison’s Origin Story as a Medium

• First Experience (01:07)

  • At six years old, Allison saw her deceased great-grandfather after his funeral, who delivered a reassuring message for her mother.
  • When she shared this with her mother, it was dismissed, causing her to stop sharing such experiences for a while.
  • “I looked at the foot of my bed, and he was standing there... He said, ‘Tell your mom I’m not in pain anymore, and I’m still with her.’” — Allison (01:18)

• Validation and Childhood Psychic Abilities (02:46)

  • Allison believes most children are innately psychic, but societal and familial invalidation often shuts down these abilities.
  • “I think most children have the ability... You start to edit yourself as you get into peer groups in school.” — Allison (02:47)

Family Acceptance and Predictions

• Evolving Family Perception (03:43)

  • After gaining fame, her family claimed they always recognized her abilities, though initially they had dismissed or ignored them.
  • Shared a story of predicting her father’s death at a precise age, despite doctors clearing him medically—this became a turning point in her understanding of her abilities.
  • “When you become famous for something, all of a sudden they… they knew it… they saw it.” — Allison (03:45)
  • “I heard, ‘At the age of 28, your dad’s going to die of a massive heart attack at 67.’” — Allison (04:02)

• Can Fate Be Changed? (05:19)

  • Allison attempted to prevent her father's fate, but realized some events are “set in stone.”
  • “I thought I was intervening for people, but what I learned was those are the people that I was allowed to be used as an instrument to help.” — Allison (05:38)

Navigating Haters, Fame, and “Frequency”

• The Hater Cycle & Shedding Relationships (06:26)

  • Mike shares his experiences of skepticism and hate when launching his podcast, later replaced by indifference or opportunism as he became successful.
  • Allison connects these shifts to “frequency,” where people no longer match your energy as you evolve.
  • “Your frequency raised when you believed in yourself, and when your frequency raised, their energy could no longer match yours.” — Allison (07:43)

• Authenticity and Fame (08:32)

  • Fame attracted opportunists, but also revealed the value of authentic relationships.
  • Medium’s success altered social dynamics, with party invites and Hollywood power plays emphasizing who was genuine or not.
  • “When that went away… the shift in their energy… they just sort of fade in your life.” — Allison (09:39)

From Mediumship To Television Stardom

• Scientific Studies & ‘Medium’ TV Show (10:13)

  • Allison participated in scientific studies at the University of Arizona, where she excelled among other mediums (“Michael Jordan of mediums”).
  • Her life inspired the TV show Medium after being noticed through these studies.

• Behind the Scenes in Hollywood (13:01)

  • Allison describes the TV show’s mix of accuracy and Hollywood embellishment.
  • Success brought distancing from her in favor of branding and control.
  • She negotiated for per-episode payment, but not for ownership or backend “points.”
  • “As soon as it became a success, they try and distance themselves… because they don’t want you to have power.” — Allison (14:43)

• Lasting Impact and Career Evolution (16:01)

  • Allison noted that public recognition limited her ability to work as a prosecution jury consultant, a role she loved.

Mediumship Specialization and Crime Work

• Specialties: “Head-Tapping” Criminals (17:32)

  • Allison specializes in tuning into the minds of violent offenders, assisting prosecutors for two decades.
  • “I can get into the head of the criminal. And that’s where I became helpful.” — Allison (18:14)

• Differences Between Remote Viewing and Mediumship (19:36)

  • Distinguishes between mediumship (communication with the dead) and psychic abilities like remote viewing.

Reflections on the Justice System

• Emotion vs. Verdict (20:17)
  • Allison laments the disconnect between true justice (emotional closure) and legal verdicts, and shares frustration with legal technicalities letting guilty people go free.
  • “To us justice is emotional, and to a court it’s a verdict. It’s the law. And so I think there’s a disconnect there.” — Allison (20:17)

Science, Spirituality, and the Nature of Reality

• Aliens, UAPs, and Dark Matter (24:04)

  • Allison admits no direct contact with aliens and keeps an open, but skeptical view.
  • She's more drawn to exploring dark matter and its possible connection to spirit communication, collaborating with her husband, Joe—a rocket scientist.

• Joe’s Scientific Perspective on Dark Matter (27:59)

  • Joe explains that dark matter permeates everything but doesn’t condense like normal matter, aligning in some ways with how spiritual phenomena are described.
  • “Dark matter can go right through you… you’d never feel it, but the gravitational effect, you feel.” — Joe (27:59)
  • On dimensions: entities might “jump into our dimension” by finding ways to interact with our reality (30:31).

Allison’s Current Projects & Future Vision

• Podcast & Book Plans (30:59)

  • Hosts her own podcast, The Dead Life, with guests including hospice nurses and dream interpreters, focusing on diverse perspectives on death.
  • Discussing plans to co-author a book with her husband blending scientific and spiritual perspectives.

• Australian Cold Case Tour & More (31:57)

  • Preparing for an Australian tour working on live cold cases and engaging with audiences onstage about the process.
  • Notes 2025 as a numerological “year of endings” with major life changes leading to new beginnings (33:35).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Early Experience (01:18)
  “He was standing there… he said, ‘Tell your mom I’m not in pain anymore, and I’m still with her.’” — Allison

• Frequency and Growth (07:43)
  “Your frequency raised when you believed in yourself, and when your frequency raised, their energy could no longer match yours.” — Allison

• On Fame & Friends (09:39)
  "When that went away… the shift in their energy… they just sort of fade in your life."

• Justice System Realism (20:17)
  "To us justice is emotional, and to a court it’s a verdict. It’s the law. And so I think there’s a disconnect there." — Allison

• Dark Matter & Spirituality Crossover (27:59)
  “Dark matter can go right through you... you’d never feel it, but the gravitational effect, you feel. There’s a strong crossover because they kind of act the same ways, but we’re seeing actual, you know, real measurements...” — Joe

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:07 — Allison’s first supernatural experience as a child
• 02:46 — Discussion on childhood psychic abilities and validation
• 03:43 — Family perceptions and predicting her father’s death
• 06:26 — Mike’s "hater cycle" and Allison’s reflections on frequency
• 10:13 — Scientific testing & path to TV stardom
• 13:01 — Hollywood’s effect on the show and Allison’s involvement
• 17:32 — Allison’s expertise with criminal investigations
• 20:17 — Deep dive into the justice system and frustrations
• 24:04 — UAPs, aliens, and dark matter, featuring Joe, Allison’s husband
• 27:59 — Scientific explanation of dark matter and dimensions (Joe)
• 30:59 — Allison’s current podcast, future projects, tour, and reflections on 2025 as a year of endings

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Allison’s Resources & Contact

• Website: allisondubois.com (Event info, books)
• Vodka Line: divination22.com (Intention-setting vodkas)
• Instagram: @medium.allison
• Podcast: The Dead Life

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Tone and Takeaways

The conversation is candid and authentic, with moments of humor, vulnerability, and thoughtful analysis. Both host and guest invite listeners to reassess how they respond to “haters,” the importance of evolving relationships, and the role of personal frequency in attracting (or repelling) new people and opportunities. The overlap of science and spirituality is handled with open-minded curiosity, with Allison and her husband demonstrating mutual respect for empirical inquiry and subjective experience.

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For those interested in personal development, spirituality, or the crossover between science and the metaphysical, this episode provides a compelling, relatable window into Allison’s unique journey—as well as practical wisdom for navigating transformation and authenticity in any walk of life.

Transcript

[A]

Allison Dubois, welcome to the show. Thank you to have you here.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And I want to thank the audience for being here, listening, watching, however you're consuming this content. We're glad to have you here on the what do youo Made Of Show. Boy C Rock here from that one studio. And we're gonna find out what Allison's made of today. Allison, what are you made of?

[B]

I mean, multifaceted, I'd have to say probably honest to a fault. I'm known for not editing myself. I'd say I'm obviously very spiritually aware, very connected to the other side. I'm a mother, I'm a wife, and I live my life very honestly.

[A]

Love it. Great answer. Well, you know, the show, the Medium, was inspired by you, and you've written at least one book, I see here. I don't know how many books. Maybe multiple six books. Okay.

[C]

You've done.

[A]

Done your thing with that. You got a podcast. So you're in the podcast space like me, Right. Doing a lot of things. But where did. Where did this all start, this. This medium thing? Like. Like, how old were you when you realized this?

[B]

So I was six years old. I went to the first funeral I'd ever been to, which is my great grandfather's, and he had died of intestinal cancer. My mom brought me home and put me to bed. She went to her room. I thought my grandfather was my great grandfather. I thought he was sleeping in the casket. I mean, I was a little kid, so I didn't really know what death was. And I looked at the foot of my bed, and he was standing there, and he had no lines on his face. He was smiling at me. And he said, tell your mom I'm not in pain anymore, and I'm still with her. So I jumped out of bed and went to her room and delivered the messages. I thought he was back. I thought he was back. I thought he was okay. Like, he woke up from that nap, and she just looked at me and she said, go back to bed. And so I went back to my room. He was gone. I was very confused as to what had happened, but it wasn't really known. They didn't talk about mediumship and being able to see the dead a lot in the late 70s. And I had no nowhere to sort of turn. I got shut down by my mom. I knew that didn't feel good, so I just stopped telling her when I saw things.

[A]

Yeah. So that leads me to this question about validation, invalidation. Do you think that most people have this ability, but they're just not aware of it because it was invalidated out of them.

[B]

I think most children have the ability, which is why little kids talk about seeing grandpa in their room, or the grandma wants you to know, you know, yada, yada, yada. And I think, like myself, you start to edit yourself as you get into peer groups in school. Fortunately, I didn't have much of an edit button, so as a teenager, my friends just chalked it up to. That's just Allison. You know, it was just accepted in my friend group. But I can see how less bold children would be shut down by being laughed at or made fun of, ridiculed. And they just stopped sharing, just like I did with my mom.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And then like, so the relationship with your parents, how. How did their perception change of it or their acceptance of it change over the years?

[B]

So it's funny when you become famous for something, all of a sudden they. They knew it, you know, they saw it. They were in tune too. It's like, whatever, okay.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So my mother is actually really sort of psychically in tuned, but she has bad judgment. You know, she's been married six times. So, you know, you have to look at the medium you're going to and decide if you vibe with them, you know, if. If they're. If they're direct, if they keep the readings clean, that sort of thing. So I love her, but probably wouldn't want to take advice in that instance. My dad was actually afraid for me. John Edward had crossing over out at the time. When I started talking to my dad about this, you know, I was in my 20s, and he just said, tell no one. And then I predicted his death. So I heard at the age of 28, your dad's going to die of a massive heart attack at the age of 67. It was very specific. And I looked at my husband and I said, I just heard that voice tell me, you know, this is going to happen. And I spent two years taking him to heart specialists, sending him there, and they said he was fine. He was a professional ballroom dancer for 50 years. He was in great shape. He never had heart issues. And my dad died at 67 of a massive heart attack. So that was part of my journey, I think.

[A]

Do you think that you can change what you're told?

[B]

I tried. And I think that was the lesson I was being taught, that it was never in my power. And the interesting thing, because I was in my late 20s at that time, I thought I was stopping these things from happening. I would tell a client to get their chest X rayed, and they'd find beginning stages of breast cancer, but they'd survive it because they found it early. Or they. I'd say, buckle your seatbelt on the way home, not knowing why I'm saying that. And they rolled their car on the freeway and they survived. So I thought I was intervening for people, but what I learned was those are the people that I was allowed to be used as an instrument to help. My dad's passing was set in stone because I had to understand what my clients thought felt in loss and grief. And the only way I could understand it was to experience it myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Wow. Man.

[A]

So, all right, one thing I want to touch on here. You mentioned something about when you became well known that they're like, I knew it. I told you about her. So I. I wrote about. I have a book called Rocket Fuel Convert Setbacks Become Unstoppable. And in this book, I wrote about the Hater Cycle. And I call it the Hater Cycle because when I went through starting a podcast, I was in the mortgage business. I had partners that were best friends since I. And I started a podcast. And then the people around me were like, you have a podcast? And then they would throw digs at me and this and that. It was all self reflection from them. Like they couldn't see themselves doing it. I knew what that was.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Every time I heard it, I knew that. I need to push the pedal down harder. I need to push the pedal down. I mean, it's working. Something's working here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As I got known, more and more, I noticed that they would go away. I would. I would meet some amazing people and I would be so excited to share it with them. And they would not give me the response that I expected of.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Sharing an excitement. They were like, okay, whatever. So they lost interest. So it's, It's. It's hate on you at first. Like dig, throw digs, this and that, lose interest.

[B]

Then. Then what can you do for me? Right.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's not yet. That's. The next thing was they go away and they just disappear. And then you just know you got to keep going, keep going. And then that fourth part is. I knew it. I told you about her. Him. I knew it. And then they went, yeah, what can you do for me?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I went through that as well. So your frequency raised when you believed in yourself, and when your frequency raised, their energy could no longer match yours.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you started gravitating to other people with higher frequency Energy. I went through the same thing. You shed a lot of friends. Or they say you've changed.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's like my clothes may be more stylish, but I'm the same person.

[A]

Well, but not only that. Maybe we aren't the same person. Maybe we've peeled back layers and we found out who we really are.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And now we're who we came to be and we find that out. And that true being this just doesn't resonate with them. And maybe we did change. We changed.

[B]

I think they're saying it in a negative way, though. Yeah, you've changed.

[A]

Well, and.

[B]

And we didn't get worse. So the way they're intending it isn't true, but they want to imply that it must be negative and it must be you. And you need to fix that. And it's interesting because Medium ran for seven seasons, so it was on for a long time. Patricia Arquette won the Emmy for playing me. It was a big deal. And I saw the friends wanting to go to the parties, the TV Guide parties, the, you know, get into the Golden Globe parties. I was useful for that. So it was a really eye opening experience for me when that went away to see the shift in their energy and they just sort of fade in your life. So it did help me to appreciate people who are authentic and not people who are. And you start to know what it looks like when they're just, what can you do for me? Kind of people 100.

[A]

And you know, the thing is, most people have a problem with letting people go, especially it could be family, friends. And the fact of the matter is, if you keep the wrong people in your environment, you get held back.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

And then not only that, you help hold them back by allowing them to stay in your environment too. It's not that they're bad people necessarily. They're human beings. Right.

[B]

You grow in different directions.

[A]

Yeah. And you got to let it go. Let it go so that you can fly.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, so. Yeah, it's so true. All right, so how did this process come about where the TV show was made? Like, can you kind of take us through that journey?

[B]

You know, it's strange for me because I was in my very early 30s when the show came about, and I didn't think I was interesting enough to have a show based on my life. So I struggled with that a little bit. But I was being studied by scientists at the University of Arizona. They were trying. They were studying mediums to see how we were doing, what we're doing. So I thought they were going to take my blood and, you know, my brain waves and. And that it was going to be that kind of science. But it was more of readings that they graded on hits and misses and, you know, double blind tests, you know, where we can't see each other, me or the sitter. And it turned out that I was really, really good. So they started calling me the Michael Jordan of mediums. So that's what the scientists would write books about, the studies on me. So Kelsey Grammer reached out to them through Paramount and said, send us some of your best mediums. We have a television pilot we're filming called the Oracles. And I went because I was curious to see what other people like me were because I wore blazers and carried attache cases and I was school to be a prosecuting attorney. You know, I got a degree that I didn't end up using with the intention of being an attorney. But that was the first episode of Medium, actually. So they sent me and I competed against over a hundred other people that did runes, tarot, astrology, profiling, other mediums. And I didn't actually intend to make the Five Oracles. I just wanted to be around people like me. And I really realized that people have abilities in all walks of life. We don't have to be airy fairy, we don't have to be super out there. It can be somebody like me that carried an attache case and really wanted to be a prosecuting attorney and put bad guys away. That was my goal since the fifth grade. So I went, I ended up making the Five Oracles. I was put in as one of their oracles. And that's when I met Kelsey. So a couple of years after that, they reached out and they said, we want to make a television series based on your life. And that just blew my mind. I was like, why? I only have my own perspective. I didn't find myself particularly interesting. But to other people in contrast, I guess it was interesting. Yeah.

[A]

And then how was the process for you watching it?

[B]

You know, it was interesting. I was there while they were filming the pilot. So I was on set and I got to meet the cast and all the producers and everyone, and it was. Well, it was really well done. I thought the closer they stuck to my real life, it was actually the episodes hit better. So I would see when they would deviate and write something that actually didn't happen. But, you know, they had to fill stories. Yeah, yeah, it's Hollywood and. And it just didn't land as true, you know, like, it just didn't have that cool energy to it that the ones closer to my life were. The pilot episode was very accurate to my life. I went to Texas. My first case was there. I did meet with the Texas Rangers. They changed the gender of the victim. They, you know, modified some things like that to not re victimize the families. But the process. The only thing that was hard for me is, you know, like, they. I think it's safe to say it now because so much time has passed, but, like, they literally killed my husband at the end. Like, that was upsetting, and they didn't let me in on that they were going to do that. So I found with the first season, they loved me and told everybody to thank me for their job and they really enjoyed me. But as soon as it became a success, they try and distance themselves a little bit from the brand because they don't want you to have power. We understand Hollywood, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I went through that, and then it was more of, everybody wants to see you. When you're on the set, it's distracting. It shuts down production. And so it just shifted after the first season with the success, after I did all the interviews and the press and everything. So I learned a lot about Hollywood through that process.

[A]

Yeah, that was going to be a question I had, was like, what was your take on that? And now did you get to partake in the success of the show at all or. No.

[B]

In the beginning, in contract negotiations, they made it very clear that I was not going to get points on the show or it would never air. So I said. I said, so. I got paid per episode. But I mean, I guess to some people that's, like, really great, but to me, that's in the past now. But my name is out there for all time, and you really can't by that kind of beautiful opportunity to say, this is who I am.

[A]

Right. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Well.

[A]

And. Well, if you take advantage of it and leverage it. Right. So when that was going on, like, what was going through your mind about how can I leverage this attention now and how has that evolved?

[B]

So I'm an Aquarius. I.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

I don't. Hey. Okay, well, that makes a lot of sense.

[A]

February 7th for me.

[B]

February. January 24th. So, you know, we don't like people in our space. We're not always comfortable with fame. You know, it's just part of our energy. And I wrote a New York Times bestselling book, Don't Kiss Them Goodbye. That was my first book. So I went the literary route. But I was also there for the best of the published publishing world, like, when they had, like, deep pockets. I was also there when the bubble burst. Okay, in 0708, when everything started going sideways. And so that was interesting. But I learned a lot about the publishing industry then, so I did write six books. And I just. We adapt. We're Aquarius. We adapt as we go. And so that's what I did. But I did miss being a jury consultant for the prosecution. I couldn't do that anymore because people knew who I was. And if a juror. If a juror, like, didn't like me, it can affect the case. And then if they liked me, it can affect the case. So I couldn't be in the courtroom with the prosecution anymore. And that's where I felt the most at home. So I had to give that up.

[A]

Gotcha. Let's talk about. How about remote viewing? Is that like a ability that you have, or are you familiar with remote viewing?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, I'm familiar with remote viewing. My specialties, killers. And so I can head tap people. And that's why. That's. That's why I worked with the D. A. I was able to tap into the jurors, and I could feel if somebody had been sexually assaulted in their life, you know, if that's something that isn't in the questionnaire. But I can sense. And I could sense when they were losing a juror as well, and what they needed to say to get them back in order to get our desired verdict in the courtroom. So that's really what I wanted to. To continue doing. But in the grand scheme of things, it just wasn't in the cards for me to be able to keep doing that. But killers are really what I'm good at. Or a violent criminal of some sort. Serial rapist. I know this is all heavy stuff, but I can get into the head of the criminal. And that's where I bec. Became helpful. And so I worked cases for 20 years, and then I just retired because I saw my girlfriends that were prosecutors retiring, and I'm like, wow, I don't even get a pension. Yeah, yeah. And I've just recently started doing some for another. Another podcast entity. That's true crime based. But, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I'm just better at head tapping than anything else. So remote view to me, because the energy doesn't involve as much of a criminal element to it. If it had a criminal element, I could do that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or I can ask the dead what happened and get information that way. But remote viewing is more of psychic activity, which most mediums are psychics, but most psychics are not mediums. Mediumships, definitely harder. But I could do it, I guess, if I wanted to.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd have to have interest in it, right?

[B]

Exactly, exactly.

[A]

And the prosecution thing, subject, what it seems to me, and I always wonder this when I'm watching, especially a high profile case where, you know, maybe you have evidence and you don't know for sure, but you have enough evidence that the person probably did it. But it seems like they want to win more than get the real true answer. Right.

[B]

So what's your take? Do you mean with law enforcement they'd rather win than find out?

[A]

Yeah, the prosecution would rather win as well. Right. Like they'd rather win the case versus really find out, you know, if they're innocent or not. Like, that's always goes through my mind.

[B]

That's the hard thing with justice. I think to us justice is emotional and to a court it's a verdict. It's. It's the law. And so I think there's a disconnect there. In the old days, you know, 30 years ago, 40 years ago, the prison systems took care of that end of the justice. If the person went in, they didn't come out. I'm shocked the woman that killed Selena's still alive in prison, honestly. But things seem to have gotten more. Either better security or softer, I don't know which. But yeah, there's a lot of elements to what justice actually is. And a lot of criminals walk and that's incredibly frustrating. I went in as a jury consultant on seven cases. Six of them we were able to get our death penalty, which is what we wanted. And DNA backed up that they did rape, torture and murder these victims. But this one we could not get. And it still bothers me because the victim was three and, and it's just technicalities. People get off on a lot of technicalities in the court system. That's why I think when they're found guilty, they have to serve 100% of their time. Yeah, I just, I'm not one of those people that believes and well, let's see what they do. Maybe they'll contribute to society. It's like maybe they won't. Yeah, well, this should find out.

[A]

This should be political. But like, you see all these folks that are violent criminals getting off and the one gentle and just lit somebody on fire in Chicago. Allegedly. I saw that 40 some arrests in the past, like.

[B]

Yeah, well, in the Fact that you even had to say, allegedly, like, we're always present of mind that the legalities of what we say can be used against us. And it's kind of sad. It's. It's not a very free time to be alive in that respect. We should be able to speak freely. I mean, people witnessed it. We know this happened. But to make sure that you can't get sued, you have to say, allegedly. It drives me nuts. Or they'll call the person a gentleman when they're talking about the. This Gentleman allegedly raped 17 women. It's like, stop calling him a gentleman.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That means a gentrified man. That's not what he is. So I think our. Our language has gotten a little skewed, but I agree with you. There's just too much of it. And we need to get control in our country and other countries need to do this of who's in our country, what are they capable of? We need to take inventory, which is a lot of what you're seeing happen right now.

[A]

Yeah. And. And, you know, I'm very good at seeing patterns. One of my superpowers is seeing patterns and coming to a conclusion based on. And knowing, like, once you see this pattern, like, I know. And then other people just don't see the pattern, so they can't grasp it. Well, it definitely is an intent to destroy the country from within for some reason.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's sad, but it all boils down to greed.

[A]

Yeah. Power. Yeah.

[B]

It's funny that you keep saying I know. Because that's literally the motto for Aquarius. The motto is I know. We're always seeking answers. We're also ahead of our time. So we get frustrated because we'll see, like you call patterns. We'll see things and how they're going to unfold and other people don't see it, and it frustrates us. And then when it ends up being exactly the way we said it was going to be, then they're patting somebody else on the back and it's like, wait, I said that. So being an Aquarius is super frustrating.

[A]

Yeah, it is. I get frustrated a lot. I've been working on that. All right. I want to touch on UAPS and aliens and all this other stuff. What is your take on. And the disclosure season that we're in, I'll call it. What is your take on all that?

[B]

You know, my husband's a rocket scientist, so.

[A]

Awesome.

[B]

Yeah. So I kind of leave that to him. I've never experienced an alien personally. I. You know the dead don't talk about aliens. So I only go off of what I actually know. I think it would be arrogant of us to assume that we're the only life in the galaxy. I just don't know what they're telling us, what's true and what's not. Because we've been lied to for so long, it's really hard to keep track. But there seems to have been so many sightings, especially by the military, that can't be explained with movement, motion that wasn't even possible at that time by these flying objects that obviously there's something going on that we're not allowed to understand, but that has leaked over decades and decades. So I personally have not experienced. So you alien, as far as I.

[A]

Know, you don't have access to information from another realm with any of the information that gives you any conclusion.

[B]

It's kind of like with remote viewing. And I know this sounds terrible because so many people are interested, but it's just never been part of my DNA to feel drawn to that. I'm more drawn to understanding whether or not dark matter is where the dead reside. Like, if we go into dark matter, is that why they're here and somewhere else at the same time? Since we're surrounded by dark matter, I just thought that's more of what I'm interested in and sort of what I'm, you know, looking at with my husband because he's getting his PhD right now and he's studying dark matter. So we're comparing notes on the energies, trying to see if there's maybe some sort of correlation.

[A]

Now, when you mention dark matter, what are you referring to?

[B]

So it's around us. We can't see it, we have trouble measuring it, but it's. It's an energy, it's an actual matter that we know is there because they've been able to measure it in space. But it's actually most of the space around us. It consists of dark matter. And so I know my husband would probably be better at explaining it, but that's how he explained it to me. And I'm like, well, if it's all around us and it's something that we can't see and we can't feel, but it can be measured by sound and in space. So they know it's there, or they know that certain comets and bodies in the in space are being moved by something that's there that we can't see, then that would be something that interests me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So my husband. My husband gave me a Thumbs up. He said, I got it right.

[A]

So, yeah, yeah, let me see if he gives me a thumbs up. So in quantum, when you condense energy, when you condense energy, it becomes a solid. And this is when people.

[B]

I'll let him hear you. So. Because I'm not a science.

[A]

Hey, Joe, how you doing? Yes.

[C]

How's it going?

[A]

I'm doing, it's doing. I'm doing great, man. When, when, when, when energy becomes a solid, it's condensed, right? And that's become solid. A lot of times when we have trauma, we have pain, we get this energy gets condensed and it feels heavy and it feels actually like you feel like there's a dark presence. And when you do work in healing, work in different modalities, you actually free up this condensed energy and it frees up, and then you get this euphoric feeling when this happens, and you actually feel lighter. Colors are brighter. And so is that kind of similar to dark matter?

[C]

The shorter answer is we don't know. I'm trying to find out one thing. Dark matter does not condense. And that's one thing that makes it a little different than regular matter. It, it has gravity, it attracts, but instead of forming into some sort of like a dark star or dark planet, it sort of just vibrates. You talk about vibrations, it vibrates around a center point. But unlike regular matter that has that friction and can actually grab onto each other, it's more like light. It can go through each other. Dark matter can go right through you. You'd never feel it, but the gravitational effect, you feel. So you start hearing these words and you're like, wow, that sounds a lot. How, you know, spiritual people talk. There's a, There's a, There's a strong crossover because they kind of act the same ways, but we're seeing actual, you know, real measurements that there's something there. We just don't know what it is.

[A]

Well, thank you for that, and it's great to meet you and, and, and hang tight, though, because I have the question about when we're seeing UAPs and, and they're saying they have biological matter and all. We don't know if it's true or not, what they're telling us. Right. But if they are, could it be possibly that there is different dimensions? Because obviously, Allison, you have, you. You are in a different realm. When you're talking to the dead and experiencing them, is that a different dimension? And could these beings possibly be from a different dimension? And they've figured out how to cross over thoughts.

[C]

There's a lot of ifs in there, but.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[C]

Because everybody that has a UFO story has a point to prove that into account. But different. Different dimensions. I don't know about that. In my mind, I think it's. And maybe dimensions is the. The best word to sort of use to make it as people can understand it. But even in physics there, certain. Certain energies react with certain other energies, but some don't react with each other at all. So then if you're a. If you're dark matter and you can only react with regular matter through gravity, but you can't do light and you can't do electromagnetism, things like that, well, then you would feel like you're on a different dimension. So, sure, they could be in this place that doesn't really react with us, and if they could figure out how to then react with us, it would feel like they jumped into our dimension and then out again.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Where in fact, they're just really there all the time anyway.

[B]

Like, we just can't see them.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

I think the science guy here would be a good guess for you.

[A]

Hey, we'll go deeper, man. I want to hang around smart people, so. Yeah.

[C]

Allison.

[A]

Hey, we'll work on. To get him on, too, okay?

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Nice seeing you, Mike.

[A]

You too.

[B]

Thanks.

[A]

So to wind this down, because we're kind of up against the clock now, Allison, what is the vision from here? Where are you going with everything now? Like, what's. What's the direction you're going to?

[B]

Well, talking to my husband. This has been very interesting for me. I had suggested to him, in the future, maybe we should write a book from each of our perspectives, his scientific and mine spiritual, to show how they overlap. So that may be somewhere I go. My podcast has been the Dead Life's been doing very well, and I love doing that as well. So I know what you're saying. I love talking to different people, seeing how they view death. I have a lot of hospice nurses on and dream interpreters and people who go more in depth, but also call ins that have questions about interactions they've had. I love those. So I'm just enjoying learning from other people, from their perspective, which is. My entire show is based on other people's perspective and. And my thoughts on that. I'm touring Australia in 2026, so I'll be gone for a month, and it's my 11th tour there, so people are pretty excited. It's my Cold Case tour, so I'm actually, for the first time, going to work Two or three local cases in Australia while I'm there, and then have guests on that come up on stage and also talk about what they know about that particular cold case. And then the impressions that I got without knowing anything about these cases. So I can't know anything about them. I can't see a picture. I can't know circumstances. I like to go off a photograph and their first name and be untainted and write down what I get and then do a second wave where I can have more access to the investigation. So I'm going to incorporate that into this tour, which is something I've never done before. So that. That'll be interesting. Yeah, I'm excited about that. I probably have another book or two in me somewhere, so I don't know. I'm just sort of going where the universe sends me and. And I'm just accepting it and appreciating it. So I'm kind of where you're at, where this is the end of a nine year, 2025. If you add the two, the two and the five, it totals nine. It's a year of endings. That's why you're seeing the deaths and the divorces and movement. People moving, you know, wanting to quit their job. It ends things that no longer serves us. A lot of people lost friends this year that they'd had 20 or 30 years. It just ends things that don't serve you.

[A]

The political systems changing.

[B]

That's changing. So January 1st of 2026, we enter a one year, which sets the tone for the next nine years of our life. So 2025 was ending the last nine years of everything we've been going through. So a lot of my clients that I read are actually getting divorced after 25 years. I've just had a ton of them this year. But it can also end people who have an addiction. So some people will kick the habit. It's also going to end things that really are bad for you in taking toxic relationships out. So I find that to be a good thing.

[A]

It's amazing. I love it. Well, Allison, I'm a fan and a friend now, so if you need anything, I'm a phone call away. But I wanted to make sure they can go where they can go deeper with you if they want to check you out. Where do you want to send them?

[B]

So, Allison Dubois.com has a lot of my ticket information. I also started a vodka line that's an intention setting. Vodka Divination 22. They can go to divination22.com for a love potion and money potions that I actually brewed myself. Like, I distill it in Scottsdale. Pretty excited about that. And Instagram at Medium. Allison.

[A]

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it. And also our special guest. Thank you for bringing him into today as well.

[B]

No problem. He's great.

[A]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[B]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

My pleasure. All right, hang tight while I wrap this up, folks. Thank you so much for being here on the what do you made of Show. It's your boy, C Rock, signing off for now with Allison Dubois sharing what she's made of. Make sure you hit the subscribe follow button at the top of your favorite podcast platform and keep coming back. Until next time. Be that one.