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What Are You Made Of?
From Biohacking to Mindfulness: Navigating the Future of Wellness with Lawrence Ellyard
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Welcome back to the what He Made Of Show. It's your boy C. Rock here, and I am with Lawrence Eliard, and we're going to find out what he's made of. Lawrence, welcome to the show.
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Hey, thanks, man. Yeah, great to be here and excited to riff with you and see what we come up with. I love these kinds of conversations because I always go in completely unscripted. It's just seeing what arises in the moment and what sort of conversations we can have. It's really exciting.
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Yeah. You know, I've spoken on a lot of stages and I never. I never read off a script or follow. I'm a conversationalist, so I'll go on stage and, you know, I have some bullet points. I make sure I want to hit cover or whatever, but I just.
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B
I just go.
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And that's why I've always ran the show.
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B
It's been great.
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This way we get into some really good conversations. But let's start the show the right way, though. And that's with the question, what are you made of?
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Yeah, look, I would say a good way to describe me is an unfolding experience coming from presence through connection and having that curiosity alive in conversation. Because if I'm coming in with a fixed view of reality, then what's going to arise is a very narrow band. And I'm really curious around what does the expanded viewpoint of reality, how does that show up in connections with others? So this idea of, like, an openness to what arises in the moment, showing up with presence and curiosity, and then out of that, the free play of space can unfold. Yeah, it's like I'm on the highway with about, you know, 10 lanes to choose from versus just one lane where I'm fairly, like, narrow focused. And I don't really get to see the view. Right. Because I'm so focused in this one place. Whereas if I'm in this open awareness where I. Where anything can happen, anything can unfold, it's like I'm on this freeway with, like, so many lanes to choose from. I can see the whole landscape. I can see what unfolds as I'm. As I'm traveling along. So that would be a really good way, I think, to describe having an open mindset versus a narrow, fixed mindset.
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And how do you balance that? A lot of people get into this space of awareness and consciousness, and they. They use it as an excuse not to set an intention. And as you and I both know, you can't have your attention units directed on things that need to Be done without intention. So how do you balance that freeway with intention?
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Yeah, so I think it's about, it's like putting in an order at the restaurant. That's my destination. So I set my coordinates for my gps and that could be like, I set my intention of like, this is my aspiration, this is my goal, this is what I'm going for. But I don't limit how, how it can come. So like, if I'm traveling down the road and I've got, I've set my coordinates in my gps, like, so that's my vision, my goal, my aspiration. You know, when you're driving and then the, then the, the AI is like, oh, if you go this route, it's going to be like five minutes quicker. Yeah. Because there's a traffic thing up ahead or whatever it is. So it's like that in life, it's the idea that, yes, have your aspiration, have your goal, have your focus on how you want, you know, what you want, how you get there. That's really about being in the open experience of how life deals, whatever it comes to you. Yes. So you can be in that space of like, hey, I want to get this way, this outcome. Right. But then it's like, no, you need to meet this person. No, you need to like, adjust your thinking. So it's this idea of being really aware of your emotions, your thoughts, and then seeing how that corrals according to having an open mindset so that universe can find the best, fastest, most effective route to your desired outcome. And if, again, if you're, if you're in the single lane on the highway and you've got like this narrow band, you're not allowing the free play of space to unfold. It limits your options enormously.
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A
Yeah. Now you have a documentary coming out called the New Woo. And can you kind of tell us what the new Woo is versus the old Woo?
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B
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of the old teachings, or a lot of, you know, what's considered Woo, Woo is, is really starting to emerge into the mainstream. So we're wanting to showcase all of the different natural therapy modalities and, and shine a light on them. And also the great people that are doing that. The old Woo, you could say, is, you know, it's not just about age. Right. You know, there's a lot of incredible pioneers and thought leaders that have come from the human potential movement and they've brought awareness on these teachings. But the new Woo is really about highlighting all the incredible upand cominging Generations and you know, not just your, you know, your boomers and your ex Gen X's and so forth, but like all the other gens that are emerging. And there's a tremendous evolution also with wellness technologies and biohacking and new and emerging wellness movement. I think the rise of AI, we're seeing also a huge, almost like a swing back to like what are our traditional values, what are our wellness modalities that bring us together as communities? So we're seeing community based wellness really emerging. People wanting to go to events, people meeting up in person, the face to face interactions that come, which you can't get to that same level over a screen. And we go online and we look at stuff on social media and we don't know if it's real or not. This is what's happening. AI is getting so good, we don't know is this augmented reality, is it actually real? So I think with this strong swing towards more of a synthetic experience online, we want to have this human, human connection. So this is the emerging trends that are coming and I think we're going to see even more of that, you know, where people go like, hey, let's not do a zoom, you know, I mean, we're doing a zoom now, right, Or Riverside, but, but you know, what, what's it like to actually, you know, sit across from someone and have that more intimate experience? And I, you know, I did this last night. We have a mastermind group that I am part of and founded and it was just a few of us, but we just do a deep dive into what's going on for us and it's about sharing this experience of whatever we're facing in life and then getting feedback. So it's kind of like a hot seat type approach and it's incredibly rich because it's almost like in the, the space between what's shared and how that metabolizes in people's systems and then, you know, it's very felt, you know, it's a somatic journey and then how we express ourself through the body. Yeah, so it's not an intellectual exercise. It's not like pros, you know, obviously the, you know, cognitive sides are doing their things, but we're really more interested in like what's coming through the body right now and letting that inform consciousness, letting that inform our direct experience. That's where it's really powerful.
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Yeah, no, I agree. And so this documentary is not just about the new methodologies and modalities. It's also about the people, the newer up and coming people. So like the new wooers, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Don't change the title. I was just saying it's also about that.
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Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know, it's this idea that, you know, what was woo woo many years ago is just really becoming more mainstream. So people, you know, you, you have ordinary conversations with, you know, people who I'd kind of classify as straighty 180s, you know, like they're quite mainstream. And then at the same time they're saying, oh yeah, you know, I was doing this breathing practice or I'm, yeah, I'm more mindful. You just look, you start to see a lot of the typical woo woo language starting to enter mainstream conversations. You know, meditation, mindfulness, breathing. Oh yeah, I did the, you know, a yoga class, I did a Pilates class or you know, I'm doing somatic therapy or, you know, like it's not this considered too out there anymore. Right. You know, people doing yoga and so forth and, or I did this massage, you know, consultation and they were doing this body work on me and then they were laying hands on me and they were doing this energy work on me or we were doing this, you know, hypnotherapy practice in, combined. So we see a lot of emergence of modalities actually crossing over and there are actually, you know, many different things happening in the one consultation, for example. So it's not just like talk therapy, it's like, you know, through the body, what are we noticing? How's that, you know, going, you know, what, what's going on in your body when you're, you know, doing a particular session? Yeah, so we see an emergence of therapies crossing over in the mainstream more and more as well.
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Yeah. And, and so it's very difficult with all the biohacking longevity, all these influencers coming out, those that are really good at marketing but really like they don't really know what they're talking about, but they're good at marketing can be dangerous. Like, how do people before they, before they pay money for a modality or a therapy or something. What are you, what is your thoughts, what are your thoughts on how to make sure the person is legit?
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Yeah, and that's the thing, like, and I think that's probably one of the bigger missions I've been doing for the last 30 years. Like, how do we bring more credibility to the wellness industry and you know, what feels right? So I mean, at the absolute core, I'd say if something is in front of you, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. Right. And so it's this idea of, you know, being pragmatic about these things and just checking, you know, does the person have qualifications? Are they verified somewhere? Are they part of some sort of wellness association or accrediting body? So, you know, just like you'd go, you know, if you had to go and get surgery from a surgeon, you'd probably think that they must have some sort of qualifications and experience. And when it comes to spirituality, often people throw discernment out the window. Right. Because they just go, oh, I just trust them and they must be great. And not everybody in this industry are bonafide. And like in any industry, yeah, there's, there's someone's, you know, like a trades person, you know, there might be an electrician. You know, they must have certain standards. So I would always, you know, encourage people to check qualifications, check, you know, are they coming from a trusted source? Often we get recommendations from a friend and, you know, diving a bit deeper and saying, well, what, what was the outcome for you? How did it help you and what, you know, what are the changes that you've seen? So we often, you know, go into these things a little blindly and just trusting.
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Yeah. And also, what about like, you know, there's products out there, right? Like, you talk about the new woo and all, but there's products out there that people are putting out on the market. And if they're good marketers, you kind of like, people buy into it, right? And it's just like, do they have to try it first? Like even, even case studies, like people, like, who knows what's real, right? So like, yeah, you know, it's kind of, it's kind of a wild, wild west when it comes to that. Now you go to a lot of the conferences and things and you're around a lot and are you really kind of good at. When you, like, let's say you're going to the exhibit hall and then going through there, can you, can you, you have like a feeling or intuition when you're seeing these different products and supplements and different things, like what's real and what's not.
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Yeah, exactly. And look, there are, you know, all sorts of outrageous claims of, you know, oh, you do this and you take this thing and you won't have jet lag. And it's like, well, of course you're going to have jet lag. You're changing time zones. Like, you're not, you know, Right. There's, there's not, you know, These things might help recovery or they might help with, you know, better sleep or, or whatever it is. But there's still the physiology at play, right? So I, I think it's important to, you know, have some discernment between what's really clever marketing and, you know, done well. You know, it hits all the right psychological cues and you think, I have to have this thing, you know, and, you know, all the different sales strategies and techniques and so forth. So again, come down to, okay, what's my response in my physiology and like, how am I feeling? And trusting how something might be experienced in our body, you know, because of course, that's the result, right? You know, it's a. Proofs in the pudding, as they say. You gotta taste it, you gotta experience it and start to see results. So again, I'd come back to like, okay, well, if someone's got a product or a service, then say, hey, can I, who else can I speak to who has tried your service? You know, show me the results and, you know, check with the person that's, you know, not be getting paid or not getting a commission to share it or say it or, you know, endorsements, you know, people often, you know, this, the old, you know, celebrity endorsement is like, well, how much were they getting paid to say that? Is it really authentic? I'd be more curious to explore case studies of people who are not directly incentivized to share or something like that. So, yeah, again, I think it comes down to authenticity and trusted sources and use discernment because it is the wild west out there. There are, there are some real shoddy products and there are some shoddy people out there, unfortunately. So, like, anyway, you know, yeah, and
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like, when you're building your, your documentary, right, or you're doing your certification because you have a company that does that in that industry, right? And like, I'm building the network and all that. And it's like, you know, you rack your brain, like, how can I make sure? Because, you know, you're associating with people and, you know, you. And I've had experience before and it's like, you know, how do you, how do you do it for the documentary, right? Like, because you got some celebrities that are coming in and some up and coming people that are joining in too, and you gotta put the documentary together. Like how, like, how do you go about it? Like the vetting process.
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Yeah, yeah, well, the vetting process to find someone who's, you know, got some credibility. And it isn't necessarily Instagram followers or, you know, Likes on Facebook or whatever it is. It's actually about looking at the work that they do. And also, like, who did they learn from? So say someone's doing a particular therapy. Like, where did they get their training? Getting them to share. But, like, when I'm meeting up with people, like, as you know, in the casting director role for this film, it's doing what we're doing right now. So I'm trusting my intuition. I'm trusting. Like, how does this feel in my body? Like, the body is such an incredible diagnostic tool.
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Yeah.
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So I can come into a situation, and it's like, we meet somebody for the first time, we instantly go like, oh, I feel at ease, or I feel at peace. I feel comfortable. Or do I meet the person? Do I go like, oh, this feels a bit sticky. It feels. There's something, you know, like, you go into a room and you go, something's off here. Yeah. It doesn't feel right. So I think trusting, you know, I think if you're someone who's relatively attuned and sensitive and aware, you can pick up the vibe. Yeah. In the room, or you can pick up the vibe from the person. So I think that's just how it is. Often that we immediately feel a connection or we feel a discord, you know, and if there's discord, you know, there's. There's something to look at, and there's also something to learn as an opportunity. So where we meet someone, we might feel like a trigger. Yeah. And then we go, okay, there's a. There's a great teaching. So naturally want to get away from the thing that we don't feel a connection to. But I. I'd also say that there's opportunity there for learning. Yeah. Because maybe I'm getting to learn something about my own process through meeting with that person, you know, so there's learnings on both sides. You know, we often want to go towards what we like, what we have an attraction to, but we don't want to go to where says discord or
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what makes us comfortable.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, sure. Yeah. So with people, I think we want to work with, we want to use our discernment. We want to trust what our body is giving us as cues, is whether this is in alignment. And then, you know, do the usual, you know, cognitive checking of things. You know, check reviews, look at background certifications. And again, yeah. Like you mentioned, I run a global accreditation body, and that's part of what we do. We do a vetting of people's qualifications, making sure they're of a high standard. And so anyone that we endorse, you know, through IICT for our accreditation, then you can be sure they're of definitely, you know, a vetted and approved standard. And we have this in any industry, usually. Yeah. Like, if you're a builder, you know, you're probably part of the Master Builders Association. If you're a wellness practitioner, you're probably part of iict, the company I founded. Then, you know, it's of a good standard.
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And that's a global organization.
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Right.
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Not just in Australia.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. We represent all over the world. Anybody, literally anyone in the wellness industry. A lot of people are quite surprised to hear that we cover over 1400 wellness occupations. That's not individual practitioners. It's like actual modalities, you know, so it. And, you know, there's quite a diverse range of modalities that are not well known, but people are still doing incredible work in that space. So. Yeah, it's so much variety out there, for sure.
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Yeah. And you're into this consciousness, awareness. You're in tune to it. What are your thoughts when you see this disclosure that's coming out now with extraterrestrials and all that? Are you following any of that?
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I am, yeah. Yeah. I think it's really interesting. And yeah, look, I don't want to go down any deep dive sort of rabbit holes here or conspiracy theories. Like, I'm, again, I look at it all through the lens of curiosity, like how interesting and does it. How does that feel? And again, I think, you know, the algorithms online will feed you more of what you. You keep looking at. Right. So you can actually go down really.
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Yeah.
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Deep rabbit holes. So I think it's again, like keeping coming back to the, you know, many lanes on the highway or on the freeway. Right. I want to look at all the narratives. I want to look at, you know, maybe I'm. I'm very conservative. Yeah. You know, I might be looking at really right wing content. Well, what does the left say? And like, look at both extremes and then where's the middle? Yeah. And. And we often do that in life. Like, we might, might have been in like a really challenging relationship. And then we bust out of that and we go to the other extreme. But that's. Either place isn't necessarily the answer. It's about what, what we can find is our middle. And we do that through experience. Right. So it's like the, you know, the pendulum swings from one side to the other and there's, there's learnings in, in the. Both the extremes, but where it naturally comes down to this balance point in the middle. And this is a good way, I think, to navigate life. You know, find your edge, your edges in both sides, and then find where's your equilibrium, where's your balance point? Yeah. And that's sweet spot. Right.
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Well, well, one thing that I noticed is that they, the reason that they haven't shared a lot and disclosed a lot is they said that human beings, you know, maybe aren't ready for it. Right. They won't be able to handle what the truth is. And so knowing that part, just alone, I prepare myself. I think, okay, what could possibly be the worst case scenario? And how can I be okay with that? And then I try to, because I don't. I want to prepare myself, you know, I don't want to be just like anything. You prep, you prepare for whatever, and then you, you come in ready to go, you know, in preparation. You know, what do they say when. When luck is when preparation meets opportunity. Right. So, like, how can I put myself in the best position? So I start running through scenarios in my head of what could possibly be so bad that I wouldn't be able to handle it. And I think some of the worst case scenario I thought about was like, well, shoot, actually I feel like it'll be more freeing, actually. I'd be more freed up from some things, you know, but anyway, it's always interesting to.
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Yeah, it's that idea that. But we can also spend a lot of our time, you know, thinking about all the calamities and disasters or challenges and difficulties. Right. So we can go into the future which takes us out of presence. Right. Because we can be so obsessing about possible abcd, you know, scenarios. And that's that, you know, it's that saying, like, you know, I can. I've spent a lot of time worrying about the future, and most of it didn't happen as well. Yeah. So, like, we can, we can ideate so far into the future that we can look at so many different contingencies and like, how much time did we lose in the presence. Yep. Of doing that. And likewise, we can be thinking about the past and, you know, the things that we can't change and lamenting that like it's a gateway to misery.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, I'd say, like, the biggest gift we can give to ourselves is awareness and mindfulness of the present moment and the richness that's here right now because the past is in the past and the future hasn't yet been born. So what have we got? We got this moment.
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What is the moment, though? What is present time? Because right now we're in the future, but we're also now in the past, and then we're in the future, we're in the past. So what really is present time? There really isn't.
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Yeah. So often, you know, we describe this as like a flow state, is the pres. Is presence. Yeah. Like in meditation, one might be in a really deep, relaxed, calm space and we. And we then notice, oh, I'm not having thoughts. But then we just lost the moment because the identification that we were in this experience of non thinking, and then the mind goes, oh, I'm not thinking, or oh, I'm in this incredible state of peace. Well, there's the ego right there. Right, right. We just lost it. So it's actually when we are in this experience of timelessness, maybe we're in a wonderful experience or connection with our partner, or maybe we're doing sports or we're working out, or we're in a flow state or creative. If we're creatively writing or we're doing art or music, or we're just listening to something incredible or a fluid conversation. That's presence. That's the moment. Right. And then the analytical mind will be like, oh, yeah, that was good, or that was bad. Or, you know, that then judgments, opinions, all these different things come in. That's where we have lost the moment, you know, so yeah, when. When we are directly experienced presence and the moment is when we are not aware of what it is that we are or identifying with what we're experiencing. Yeah, yeah. The thoughts, the feelings, it's just a state of flow. And what a beautiful experience that is. Right. I mean, for me, it's like, you know, going down the mountain on the snow, on a snowboard, and just in this free state, you know, it's a state of less and total presence and awareness. And like, that's highly addictive. Right? Yeah. Like, if we're talking about a really good substance that's highly addictive, then let that be presence. Right. Because it's good for our health and joy and spontaneity. Right. That. That's good medicine.
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Yeah. Now you're doing all this stuff. What is your story? Where did you come from? What did you go through to get you to be doing what you're doing today?
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Yeah, look, I mean, I've always been curious around spirituality or the things that are beyond what we ordinary see Touch and feel, you know, it's. Yeah, A lot of my background is in Tibetan Buddhist meditation practice and did that for many, many years and also over 30 years experience in martial art. So again, refining a particular practice and doing it through repetition and curiosity and going deeper and deeper over time, there's a level of greater mastery that's accomplished. And so it's through repetition of an experience and always having, if you can, the fortunate connections with great mentors and teachers, people who have had many runs on the board through their practice. Yeah. And perhaps they've got teachings from their teacher and so forth. So, yeah, I would say, you know, a lot of what this is, the result of who I am now has actually come from the kindness and the good fortune to connect with great teachers that were living examples of that.
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Yeah. Did your parents get you into martial arts?
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Yeah, in a way, actually, when I was about six years old and I, I've got an older brother who is about 18 months older than me and he was always like, it was always a tussle between the two of us. And actually my motivation to get into martial arts is like, I'll show him, like, literally, like I was the, you know, I was the underdog and there was this sort of fighting spirit in me going like, well, if I know how to defend myself and then I'll be able to beat him one day. You know, literally that was the motivation initially. But through the practice of martial arts, I actually, you know, gained a lot of mentorship. I got, I got to work with my instructor. This was first starting in Taekwondo, you know, and he was just very, he was super strict and tough on me and, and they often say that if your teacher is, is strict on you, it's because they see potential. Yeah. And again, I had that also, like with my, with my Buddhist master I was training under, you know, he really gave it to me because I was super like, ah. I'm like, you know, I was a bit high and mighty on myself. I thought I was, you know, it's like a bit proud, you know, so if a teacher sees the potential, they will beat the. Not physically beat, you know, but they will like, work and hone your mind. It's like a piece of iron that I keep hammering and it gets stronger and stronger and I get, you know, like, we'd be looking at folded iron, you know, to make really strong blades or knives. You know, it's through that heat and pressure that we get this incredible strength. So, yeah, I would say I had lots of raw material that could be forged. And I stuck at it long enough that, you know, I started to get some good results with that, you know, so they, they say like, if you, if you have a lot of, you know, you want to make a strong garden, you need really good compost.
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Yeah, yeah, Right, right. I was telling my daughter that her, her softball coach is really hard on those girls. But some girls he doesn't even paid much attention to. But yeah, but I, so I told my daughter and my, I built her to be coached hard. I mean, she's, she's built for it. But I told her, you know, after practice one day, I'm like, listen, if he's on you, that means that he sees something in you. You look at, look at so and so. He's not even paying attention to her, you know, and, you know, so you want that attention, Trust me.
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Yeah, for sure. You know, so there's a lot to be garnered through challenge and adversity. It doesn't mean life has to be tough and we having a bad time or things like that. But yeah, you know, we get, you know, in Tibetan Buddhist terms, they say this is a life of right effort, you know, bringing the right level of effort to an endeavor so that we can forge those results and get the desired outcome. Like nothing comes from nothing. It's like if we're in the gym and we're bench pressing, it's the rep number 20 where arms are shaking and we're just getting it back up. That's where we get the gain. It's not the first 19 help for sure, but it's that last one, right. That really makes that difference. So again, it's like bringing our endeavor and effort to a situation so we get desired outcome. And that really just comes from not pushing ourselves to the point where we break. Right. But certainly it's like pushing through the adversity or the challenge in life. And if we're fortunate to have guides and mentors that can support and assist us in delivering on those desired results, then we're really going to, you could say that's a real direct way to get the outcome that you want. And I'd say the motivation is super important as well. So we're doing this for our egoic reasons or are we doing it because we're there in the spirit of service and contribution? And so, so many people are self centered or they give because they want to get something in return and that works to a certain level. But if we give from a place of compassion or kindness or generosity and we do it because we believe in the spirit of the endeavor versus I get this and then I get that. Yeah. So again, if I move from me to we, then there's suddenly so many more possibilities. Yeah. And we have the opportunity to make a greater contribution in the world. So my teacher always said, like, you know, service is the quick path. He said, how fast do you want to go then. Then show up with compassion and contribution. Yeah, yeah.
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Most people think that's the long route.
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Yeah. It's not.
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Right. Like, it is.
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It's really about, how can I be of contribution? What can I do? So, like, when I'm meeting with someone, you know, I'm not like, this is what I want. I'm rocking up in a conversation saying, what can I do for you? How can I, you know, what can I help you with? And I know you do that too. You know, whenever I've been on a call, like, what do you need help with? You know, and it's like, if we show up from this place of service and contribution, like, we open doors because naturally there's reciprocity is going to happen. If I come into a conversation saying, me, me, me, I want, I want. You know, it's because it's not like we're going through the lens of possibility. We're going again through a limited viewpoint because we want this desired outcome no matter what. Well, hey, there could be multiple openings and opportunity through contribution. Right. So I feel like we come in whenever we're facing these situations from a lens of multiple opportunities and possibilities. Yeah. And then we see what the outcome is.
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And this is full circle. This is full circle to the lanes, the. The highway, the freeway.
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B
Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. So in martial arts training, for example, you know, I know an attack comes towards you, you could say, like, a challenge comes towards you in life. And if I have a fixed view of, like, well, I can do this one technique, then I'm limited to a certain outcome. But if I'm open to saying, okay, well, this is coming towards me now, how do I, with my knowledge, with my open mindset, with all the different ways I could deal with the situation, then I'll naturally come to a place of harmonious resolution. Yeah. So I'm not fighting the thing. I'm flowing. I'm blending with the situation to find a resolution. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the art of many alternatives. This is where we have the most possibility in life.
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A
Yeah. All right, well, the time we have left here as we wind down, what if in a perfect world, what would that look like with the new Woo, what would, what would have to happen to really light you up with this project?
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B
Yeah, look, I think that a great outcome is to reach as many people as possible. And look, that comes through sharing this wisdom with others and aligning the right kinds of people on the project. So again, yeah, I always look at anything like this. If it's meaningful to let it go as far into the future as possible, may it touch as many people's lives as possible. Yeah. And it comes from again having the wish of benefit versus what. It's not what's in it for me, it's what's in it for humanity. And so I, I would again, you know, just, you know, make the wish that may be far reaching and may it, you know, impact people in a positive way for as long into the future as possible. Like, I think it's an awesome wish.
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A
Amazing. Yeah, I agree. I agree. So if people want to go deeper with you, you, after listening to us today, where can they find you?
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B
Yeah, yeah. So they can go to my website, lawrence elliot.com and I think that'll be in the show notes. And if people are looking for accreditation for their wellness practices or their educators in this space, they go to myiict.com and again, that'll be in the show notes. And you can also find me on Instagram. So Lawrence Elliot. And you can see what I'm up to.
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A
Awesome. Lawrence, thank you so much for your time today. Appreciate you being on here and sharing with us today. Hang tight while I wrap this up, folks. That's this episode of the Woody Made up show. Go to the top of your favorite podcast platform and hit the subscribe follow button depending on the platform you're on and keep coming back until next time. Be that one.