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What Are You Made Of?
Healing Beyond the Physical: Energy, Trauma and Transformation with Pearly Montagu
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Welcome back to the what he made up show. It's your boy C Rock here and I'm with Pearly Montague. We. We connected through a mutual friend and we had a great conversation and I just was interested and curious on the work that she's doing, so I wanted to bring her to you. Pearly, welcome to the show.
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Thank you. It's such a privilege to be here with you. So thank you.
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A
Now, where are you located? And my pleasure, by the way.
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B
I'm currently. So. I'm English, but I. I'm lucky enough to call the sort of magical little Spanish island Ibiza home. But I'm actually currently in India in an Ayurvedic hospital with Shiva Ray on a beautiful retreat all about sacred embodiment.
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A
Wow. In India, you said?
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B
Yeah, in Kerala at an Ayurvedic hospital. Yeah. I don't know if you know Shiva Ray. The. She's a pretty big yoga name and just is. Yeah. A pretty ethereal being and so going to temples and sort of sacred embodiment yoga practice. So it's been really. It's all very new to me. I feel very lucky to be here.
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A
Awesome. Awesome. Well, let's start with the first question we start with every time. And that is, what are you made of?
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B
I love that question. I mean, for me, it's. It's all about community. And also I think it's something I felt for such a long time, which is it's really about service to others. And for me, that's what I'm here for, and that's what just nourishes the soul and is my North Star. And I. I think, especially from my experience with lockdown, which I think a lot of people will resonate with, is we went through that extraordinary social experiment of just being very isolated and just realizing the real value and connection of coming together and gathering. And I was lucky enough to experience that on a Greek island. And so kind of off the back of that, that's really my North Star. And so actually I have a project in Greece on a little. I did a little ancient olive grove which sort of cascades down to the water, but I'm creating a temple space there. And it's really the intention for a place for people to come together, but in terms of ritual and ceremony for healing and transformation. And I do some work with my beloved, who's a beautiful sleep doctor and psychologist. And we hold space for people and families, like turning routine into ritual and just to support them on their healing journey, which was just so fundamental. To my own journey, which was just all very unexpected of how things unfolded. But yeah, it's really also in the winter because it's seasonal a little bit like where you live, but it's a place where the community can gather off when the tourists aren't there and just so it can hopefully really hold space. And I feel like this is, it's quite a big project that I'm birthing, but I feel like maybe this is my way of being a mother in this life and this is what I'm birthing and this is how I can support mothers in a meaningful way. And yeah, I just giving back. And I love that book which you probably know by John Mackey, the founders of Whole Foods. And it's about conscientious capitalism. And I think it's like I've been so lucky in my life in many ways. Even though everyone has highs and lows and we all have pain and things that we have sacrificed and times that we've been really vulnerable, but to be able to give back and share what I have, I just think that's, that's kind of the essence of life. And you know this because of the beautiful community that you've built, which I, I really bow and honor you for that.
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A
Well, thank you. Yeah, thank you. And thank you for sharing all that. So when you were in Covid and lockdown, you were in Greece?
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B
Yeah, life. Life took me to Greece. I had, I guess this is ultimately how you and I connected. But I, I had a, a really extraordinary experience in my 29th year and I'm 38 now, where I was just in a really horrific accident and it was a near death experience, it was a white light experience and it was what they call cross border phenomenals. And actually it's a lot more common than people realize. But I think what happened to me in my journey of having to kind of rebuild mentally and physically in many ways over many, many years, but actually what came through that was like I was invited to do as a TED speaker, to do a TEDx talk and I had to do loads of research on cross border phenomenals. And actually there's over 10 million Americans who've reported having them. And the common thread is about like heightened sense of awareness that can come through and just like this multisensory awareness fundamentally. And the way it kind of manifested for me was like I realized that I have this like quite rare form of synesthesia and people who have synesthesia can see music as colors for example. But the way it manifests with me Is I. If I'm talking to someone and they're sharing about their trauma and their pain, I start to see it in colors and structures in the body. So, like, if someone's talking to me about grief, which is typically held in the lungs, I can just say it's in your left lung and it's here. Or it's like. And this is what it looks like. Or I can see people who have died and perhaps are still in your field. And so it's been like, I have a. Like a corporate finance background that. That was my path in my 20s. And then I kind of went into this accident as a girl, and it sort of birthed me into a woman in an incredibly painful way. And it was kind of.
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A
Tell us about the accident, though. Like, what happened?
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B
I was in a boat, and we were coming home from dinner, and we just hit. You know, it was like a full moon. I was actually meditating, and it was. Yeah, we just hit a bridge, like a concrete bollard next to the bridge. And it was just. There was so much light. Like, it just was one of those things that I don't know why that was supposed to happen, but it's just what happened. So it was just this incredibly surreal experience that was fundamentally, like, deeply traumatizing. And there was just. Some people did. Yeah. And it was just like, very messy, and everyone was injured, and it was in the newspaper a lot. But I think for me, it was just such an amazing lesson of like, okay, it's like Western medicine. I absolutely honor and respect, but I hit a ceiling pretty quickly, and I was in a lot of pain, especially in my upper body. And I had what I now realize is ptsd. And my nervous system took a big hit in many ways. And my body just from then on was always like when people used to walk down the corridor at home and I knew they were coming and they would come around, and I would just feel like rather like you get the biggest fright. And so that was kind of my reality for. For years. And then it's just been so many layers of life just showing me where to go and people coming into my field that could support me to heal. And so going to a little Greek island, which is a spiritual community of beautiful healers, and discovering plant medicines that really helped me in discovering bioresonance and acupuncture and energy work and all this stuff that I just wasn't aware of before. And then fundamentally training some of the modalities that were really so meaningful to me. And then later down the Line this just, like, starting to see colors and structures in other people's bodies and then building my confidence on actually that I could work with them and that it's almost like a microenergetic surgery and that I can just remove stuff from people's field. And then pain that was there would just go. Or that I just would start to be able to see things. Almost like. I guess the word psychic gets used quite a lot, although I try not to attach to that too much. But it's like just realizing now that it's just like there's just stuff that comes through me and it's not from me. And it's just like this just essentially being a channel and just the connective tissue to just having an understanding for people's lives that I have no way of knowing.
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A
No. So what was the first time that you noticed that this was going on? And then how did you realize it was. What it was was.
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B
Yeah, it's a great question. So I was with my business partner who, you know, was. It's a finance thing. But he's also just quite tuned in, and. And he couldn't lift his arm and to put in his coat. And I remember it was the first time I could see this, like, gray mist, like, smoke around his shoulder socket. And because he also does energy work, I just said, would you let me just play with that? And for about 45 minutes, I was just, like, pulling out what looked to me like this cloud quality to it. And then by the end of the session, and the way I've learned with energy work, because I'm learning all the time and making mistakes all the time as well, where it's like, you have to. It's like when you go to the doctors and you get cut open, you have to seal. So when you work with someone's field, you have to close. That's really important. But by the time I had finished, he lifted up his arm and it was totally fine. And so just building my confidence of, like, that was the beginning and getting to a point now of realizing that was like, many years ago, but realizing actually I can work online with people, not just in person, and then realizing, actually I can work with people when they're not there. So I'm really lucky to support some people that are quite well known and pretty busy and do not have time to sit for a couple of hours with the session. And I can just tune into the energetic landscape and just move stuff around and just give a very detailed dialogue of what I've. What I've been guided to do and what I. What I've done and. And it's all about just releasing what I see in people's fields. So, for example, if someone is really healthy, I can't help them because I can see very little in their field. But if someone's like, you know, we all have pain and we all have trauma. So there's normally stuff that you can find especially. Yeah, like, many different layers of trauma that we can hold. But it's really interesting. Like, I've started to work more and more with children and you can work with children. Like, if someone has energetic bonds, like someone that we're connected to, I would be able to see them and work, like, let's say, with your children. Like, I could work with them through you, just because you and I are connected. And so it's really interesting working with children who perhaps are like, estranged or have been raped and don't want to have a session with me, but I'm working with their mother. So it's. It's a way that. It's a way that it's just something that's evolved. Like, not that any of this has been a choice. Just playing the surrender experiment.
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You didn't see this stuff prior to the accident is like, was there. So it was the accident that created this.
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B
Yeah, yeah. I was on, like, I used to be in shipbroking in a sort of corporate finance world with the biggest tankers going across the Atlantic carrying 70,000 tons worth of grains or going through the Panama Canal. So I had a very different. A very different path and a very different life. And so it just. Yeah, the accident was. I think I'm not grateful for what happened because some people were really hurt, but I'm grateful for my experience. And I've always tried to see life in a really positive way. And I feel like there's always a silver lining to every dark cloud. And I'm sure you know this, but, yeah, there's challenges, are opportunities to evolve. And it's just been, like, it's been my greatest teacher, but it's also been the greatest. Like, there's been a lot of pain and a lot of sacrifice and a lot of vulnerability and just kind of working through the layers and really beautiful people, like my soul family just being there to support me. And so, yeah, just like, having the curiosity and. And a lot of courage and a lot of strength to just, like, keep showing up, just keep trying to learn and, like, what are the lessons and the signs and the gifts and it's like Just try and meet everything with gratitude. And it's. Yeah, it's been. It's been quite a wild, ethereal journey.
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Yeah. So there's a lot there that we've talked about so far. So I want to break this down and get it really simplified for the people that are listening. What do you do right now, like, for people, like, what is it specifically that you do when you. When. When somebody. How do they know that they need you?
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So if someone's in pain, so if they have a trauma in their body, if they have an emotional or physical pain, that's something that I can help with. If someone has a broken leg, which is a structural issue, that's not my sweet spot because I'm able to work with people's energetic fields. And so if someone has any sort of. Yeah, any sort of challenge, that's like pain in the body, physical or emotional pain in the body. I'm really been very lucky to work quite a profound level for quite a long time now of being able to support people, to basically support them, releasing pain. The layers of pain that we tend to hold because we just go through life and we have injuries, or what I see again and again, which I find super fascinating, is the body is such a perfect mirror of disease that we hold. So if you think you break down the word dis ease. And so when there can be a critical threshold of experiences in life that we haven't processed, that we've just been holding on to because we haven't been dancing, we haven't been meditating, there's like, been no form of healing. And eventually, like, the body will start to break down and get sick. So, for example, like, the number of times I work a lot with people who are on a cancer journey and it's like they're in a state that inner work of dealing with the trauma that has in some form caused the disease. And so the number of times I'm working with someone who's got breast cancer and it's in their left breast. And the left side of the body is the feminine, the right side of the body is the masculine. And like, they have a toxic mother who's been so unkind and horrible to them for whatever reason. And the left breast is by the heart. And so it's like we've been. They've been so hurt by the heart, and then the body has manifested disease in the heart. So I don't know if that makes sense, but I just see these patterns again and again. And for me, I find it fascinating.
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And who says or determine that the right side of the body is the masculine and the left side is the feminine?
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That's a totally fair question. But it's just like a general. If you work in the energy world in terms of the polarities, rather like every male has a part of them that's feminine. We both are feminine and masculine and some men are more in their feminine, more in their masculine. But it's the same in the body in terms of energetically, the left side of our body is the feminine side and the right side of the body is the masculine side.
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And what's the difference in the energy from feminine to masculine?
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Well, the feminine side is a lot. It's funny, I'm being in India and going to all these Shiva shakti temples of like the men, the Shiva being the female and the shakti being the male, or the other way around. Sorry, but the, the feminine is like soft and gentle and loving. It's like that mother's love, that unconditional love. And then the masculine is more fire. It's like more of a sexual energy, more, more charged to it. In terms of how I define the difference.
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I'm sorry, there's a delay there. I didn't mean to speak over you. Energy is measured in frequency, right?
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Yeah. I mean it can be.
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Yeah. So, well, that, that's basically how you measure energy. But energy, that's masculine or feminine, is there a difference in like, like distinguishable difference in the frequency that you could specify like. Or do you not break it down in that manner? It's more of a picture versus a frequency.
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I can't really speak to that. It's more just if you think of when you meet people and how you subconsciously just what you pick up, which isn't a choice of what you feel from them. And you know, when you feel a woman who's like perhaps in a more corporate landscape and she's a leader and she's like running the show and there's 300 people under her and to do that you have to be more in your masculine. So I'm sure you can think of a woman who you met whose like has that energy that just like, don't fuck with me. And then if you meet someone who's like a lot more female but a lot more softly spoken and a lot more gentle and a lot more sort of like caring, that sort of nurturing mother's love. And so that's. Yeah, that's like a woman who's more in like her divine feminine and that sort of Essence. I don't know if that resonates a little.
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Gotcha. Okay, all right, that makes sense. All right, so then what are the different pains look like for you? Like you said, smoke or haze off the one. The shoulder, for example. But is it, is it the body part that could change the difference in what it looks like? Is it the type of pain? Is it the person?
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Like, I mean, that's a great question. So, so essentially, because I'm a channel and so it just comes through me, and so when I make myself available to someone, I'm able to meet them where they are. So for example, if someone is in a lot of pain or a pain that's quite acute, I typically see it in red. So if I see red in someone's body, it's like the pain is pretty significant. And then it depends. It can often look almost like weapons in the field. So it's like shards of glass. And actually what I find really interesting is sort of common thread that I see is if someone's been really hurt, it looks like it. The equivalent of being stabbed in the back. But it's like, it looks like that to me when I'm just working through, kind of just working through the body's hidden language that I'm able to see with this rare form of synesthesia that I have. And so, yeah, and so sometimes it can look like screws and actually, like, for example, never see screws in someone's field. It's like they're literally being screwed by whatever it is that's like the story that's behind that. Or like, if you can see like knives, sometimes I'll see a knife in someone's back and like they've literally been stabbed in their back. Or. Yeah, it can look like, yeah, it can look like, like weapons in the field. Like, like screws or like arrows. It's, it's. Yeah, it's really fascinating for me, but it's just how the body seems to manifest pain and hold pain that I find a lot in people's energetic field.
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And it's one thing. It's one thing to be able to see those things, right? But then it's another thing of what to do about it. And how did you release it, know what to do about it?
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Well, I mean, fundamentally I'm a guide. So I'll just surrender and just follow the flow of how, however I'm guided to go, which is how I do my work, because it's, it's really not something that just comes from me. But what I've just learned over time and it's really been a process of trial and error, which is like realizing that not only can I see like the pain that someone is holding and like where it's being holding, held in the body, which is why like talking therapy is great and I owner and respect that, but there's some things that like the body is holding and you need to do some form of energetic work or like plant medicine work, for example. It's like this fascinating studies that have been shown of how like plant medicine work has really been helping like veterans, for example. So obviously like a big challenge in your country of just. Yeah. How it can be extraordinary how it can release trauma from the body. But for me, it's like, it's almost like a microenergetic surgery. And so I'm, I have realized over time that I'm able to like, cut and remove, cut and remove. And it's just, it's just something I've evolved rather like you've learned your craft and are learning probably all the time, even though you're brilliant at what you do. But yeah, for me, it's just like, it's just been continuing to evolve. And I've actually recently started working with people going through operations and I can, like. There was a client had scoliosis and two really big operations on her back. And she was guiding, she asked me to support her. And so I was, it was, it was like I was just above just watching the operation happen and then just being guided to support each vertebrae. And then, you know, it's, it's her, her surgeon said to her that he's never seen a faster recovery. And I'm, I'm sure, you know, anyway, perhaps I paid a small part in that, but it's. Yeah, that's something else that I do. And it's, it's, yeah, either cutting, removing, or you, you're guided to add things into their field just to support them fundamentally to support the body to heal. That's, that's the, that's the, the North Star that we're, that I work towards.
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And what are you cutting and removing when you say cutting? And.
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So if you're looking at therapies within the body's field. So if you look at things like acupuncture, which has been around, or like reflexology, which has been around for such a long time, and so you're working at the point of how physiology and biology occurs. And so you're working within the electromagnetic fields of the body. So these electromagnetic field therapies is the same essence of how I work, rather like the needles that someone in acupuncture will help use to support the body. And. Yeah, and so that's how like for example, like when we go through a physical trauma or a chemical toxicity from living in cities or an emotional trauma, it gets held physiologically in the body, but also energetically. And whilst the biology of the body will always work to return to the original sign, the energetic trauma also needs its own pathways to heal and repair. And what's happened is that in a lot of our cultures today, we've lost those daily rituals that would have supported and enabled that. So things like fireside song and dancing and ceremony and ritual like. And so what happens is, is you get trauma that's held, but it can be held generationally. And I, I don't know if I don't know how familiar, but it's like generational trauma is like, it's a thing and it's something I see a lot. And you can see these stories that get passed down of like, you know, the granny had no money and then like the mom has no money and the daughter. And it's like these, these, these patterns just get repeated. And yeah, for me I find it really fascinating. And you see things time and again of like some stories. It's like that's not your story. Can let go of that story for sure. Just having that awareness of like it's not just the physical body, there's like an energetic field which is quantum science. That's, that's, that's a fact. So yeah, that's a little bit of the essence of how I work. I don't know if that makes a little bit more sense.
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Yeah, no, it makes sense. No, thank you for, for clarifying. And now the business side of things, there's always the business side of it if you're going to do it for commercially. Right. And so how did you figure out what to charge for this when you started doing this?
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That's a great question. So I, I mean I, I have a bit of a sliding scale because for me it's really important to help people who have maybe less financial capacity and those who have more. And so for. Sometimes I'll do exchanges for people that perhaps aren't, aren't able to and we'll just find a way that we can help and support one another. But typically what I charge is normally it's a two hour session where people at the beginning I'll ask them where are you emotionally, physically, financially, spiritually, sexually? What's alive in you and what's important to you. And you just go through the layers. And then I'll spend about an hour just channeling, just working through the layers of the energetic body of what I see and then dictating into my other phone because pretty detailed the things that I find. And then we spend 20 minutes doing a sharing. So that two hour container and process that I hold, it's normally around $400. But then I often for communities like yourselves, like I'm always delighted to do a special offer of $100 off so that it's $300 which hopefully I can support most people.
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Hold on one second. By the way, I didn't ask you how much, I just want to clarify. I wanted to know how you figured out how to come up with what to charge when you're starting your business. And this is such a unique business as well. Like it's always interesting to me. Like when I was doing my business in the podcast space, we're trying to figure out, okay, what do we charge? And then we created packages and then we had to evolve and based on the business and to be able to scale and all that. But this is a unique type of business. So I didn't understand like how you came up with what is, you know, because here's the thing, it's very powerful. Like how much is it worth to get rid of pain? Emotional pain, physical pain? Right. People are paying tons of money to in subscript prescriptions, right? Yeah, so, I mean, so yeah, that's what I was wondering.
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No, I mean I think it's a great question and perhaps how I would speak to that which is like fundamentally from the business side, it's you're building, you're building a brand. And so it's like that balance of supply and demand of just how much time and energy does this take? And it's limited because I can't scale because there's one of me. And so like what feels right and what feels aligned. And so for me of just like finding a sweet spot of like there's some clients who are like have higher capacities to pay but then it's just like actually wanting to kind of hit a sweet spot that actually I can support most people wherever they are, kind of financially in their lives, like within reason. And so I think rather like with what you're doing, like as you build the brand then then you can build, build your price point if you like. But I think it's yeah, for me it's like money is a byproduct to what I do. And it's an enabler because obviously we all need to live and we all need to work. But it's, it's, it's a beautiful enabler. But it's, it's not the first. It's, it's not, it's not the first and foremost. So yeah, I think in time it will build, but at this time, and also creating packages like you, like you say for like three sessions or fives and then it's, it's more of a sweetener and so just building those sort of basic business principles you can apply to any practice.
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Yeah, listen, listen. This is what, what you're, what you're doing is, is valuable. When it heals someone, it's valuable. So what I think this is what goes through my mind and I just share what's on my mind. I think that you should charge the people that can pay a number that's very worth your value because it's got to be some kind of even exchange. You can't be delivering way more value than you're charging. But the people that can't just give it away for free to the people that can't.
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But yeah, I mean that's what goes.
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To my head because the value, you know, and I would even be a sliding scale where it's like charging so little like for what you're talking about and what you're doing. I think you're undervaluing the results that you're creating.
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I mean, that's really kind. No, I appreciate that. So like at the moment it's like it's from 650 to exchanges if you like, or gifts.
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Yeah.
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And that's like, that's my sweet spot. Just because I know a lot of people who have like a lot of financial capacity. And so that's like, that's the right. Or working with like some brilliant thought leaders in the cancer space who run a very high end like health concierge like Dr. Nisha Winters, who, for anyone who's on a cancer journey, I couldn't encourage you more to reach out to her. Just phenomenal human being. But like she holds a container like she has a lower end price point but also container like a health concierge. And so I'm one of the team that like support the people that she, that she is supporting. So that's obviously at a different price point. So it's just, it's just. Yeah. And then I can hopefully meet everyone and support everyone. Within reason.
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Yeah. Because your time is limited. Right. So Correct.
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So.
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A
So Pearlie, as we wrap up for people that want to go deeper with you and learn more, where can they go?
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B
So you can find me under Pearly Montague, spelled like Romeo and Juliet, as you would expect on Instagram. And then if you want to find me on my website, MandelaLay.org so it's M-A-N--E-R-L-E-Y.org and you can book a free 15 minute call just to ask me any questions, see how I might both support and help. And that's all through Instagram. And yeah, would be delighted. And it's always such a privilege to help people in a meaningful way. So yeah, happy to answer any questions that might arise.
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Thank you, thank you for being here. Thank you for sharing the story and how this all came about. And I'm excited for you to help more people and thank you. So yeah, hang tight while I wrap this up folks. Thank you so much for listening today or watching however you're consuming this content. Make sure you subscribe or like the top of your favorite podcast platform and keep coming back. Until next time, go check out Pearly Montague on Instagram or her website she gave, which will be in the show notes until next time, be that one.