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Every single day I feel the pleasure. What are you made of? Every single day I feel the pressure. Voice rock in that one studio on the what do you made of show back with another great guest to inspire you and remind you that you're unstoppable to living the life of your dreams, I have Summer McStravik here with us. She's a flow dreamer. She's been practicing flow dreaming, a technique for almost a surreal level manifesting and potent inner healing that she accidentally pioneered almost 25 years ago. She's part woo, part science, part mom, part rebel, part artist and part CEO. Now I don't even have to ask you, what are you made of? Their signature technique, Flow dreaming, is an energy activation for manifesting, healing and growing inner emotional strength. Summer, welcome to the show.
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It's wonderful to be here and to meet and talk with you. Looking forward.
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Yeah, man, let's get this thing started. I've been talking for some reason, I've been talking to a lot of people that are, you know, focused on the same thing. And, and I'm seeing the results of that from them, like in listening to their stories and seeing what they're doing now. And all of them, every single one of them want to help other people. And it's so. It's not. It's such a, like, selfless thing in a, you know, in a way. So excited to talk to you about this. Let's get started though, with the question, what are you made of?
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Yeah, you threw that at me. A lot of stuff. Oh, my God. I made up a lot of stuff. I was, I was thinking grit, hard work, few little sprinkles of pain, a lot of optimism, a lot of joy, a lot of love. All the things. So my language is emotion, right? That's. That's how I talk and speak and interact with the world. I take emotion from something that is supposed to be repressed and medicated and controlled. And I suggest to everybody that it's really your superpower and it's what we direct our lives with and how we create everything, how we direct everything in our lives. So, yeah, that's, that's a big part of what I do and who I am. I have a very wild and interesting history, but it would take us hours to go through.
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Oh, we're gonna get into.
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We're gonna condense it, but we're gonna get into it. Summer, you know, so what you're saying is when people are medicated to level Their emotions, that's their creativity and creative powers are being taken away from them.
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I'm not against medication, first of all. Okay. Like sometimes we need it. Like any other part, any part of our body can require medication. I'm actually talking about the general societal idea that the way we feel is dangerous or we can't trust how we feel or that we've made decisions based on feelings that sucked and now we can't ever do that again. And the kind of control we start exerting over ourselves throughout our lives, that's often created by what I call lack thinking. Right? This idea that that didn't work, never do that again, that's not going to happen for me. That's impossible. Can't have that. I'm not good enough for that. I don't have the connections for that. I will never make enough money for that. And all of the options that we start to have in our life tend to start closing down, especially the older we get, because this, what I call it, the lack cycle, starts spinning up inside of us. Lack is a feeling, lack is an emotion. And I teach people, we take that and we start to close. What I call the power leaks of that lack thinking. Every time you say I can't or it won't, or I don't expect that anymore, or that's just not going to happen in this life, I hear all this stuff all the time. I go, power leak, power leak, power leak. Imagine you've got your plumber and there's a pipe and you putting water from one into the other, but it's got all these holes at the bottom. And you're like, why is nothing coming out the other end? I'm like, because it's all leaking out. Somewhere along the way, we need to shift the emotional content of all of these areas of your life. And that's where people start to either go, wow, that's amazing, or that's ridiculous. It is what it is. You have to be a realist. And then I go, ah, now we get to talk about quote, quote, manifesting. Because you can be a realist about anything you want. And let's change what you're thinking because what you're thinking right now is what you're getting. You're just, you're just reflecting. You're in a, you're in a hamster wheel circle right now.
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What people don't realize is reality comes from agreement. You can't have reality unless two or more people agree on something. Because if it's one person agreeing and nobody else Agrees, it's delusion or, or, yeah, you know what I mean? So like people don't understand the definition of words. I, I don't think, I think, you know what, that's where they go wrong.
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Let's take it a step further. If it takes two people to agree for something to happen, let's extend it into you and your body being in agreement when it comes to your health, or you and your future being in agreement, or if you want to go spiritual, you and non physical being in agreement. If everything is about relationship, then you're in relation with literally everything. And if that's the case, what you do in what works in one area is probably going to be a pattern that works in other areas as well.
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Yeah, well, I got to tell you, until I started studying quantum and energy and resonance, I used to think those crystals that, that are behind you are like those people. What the heck are they talking about, these crystals? They're like weirdos. Like what, what the heck? I, I, I did, I'm being honest with you. And I, and I just didn't understand that everything has a frequency and those frequencies matter. And so I, I was ignorant back in the day, so, but now I understand the frequencies in everything and how, you know, I have a Himalayan salt lamp in my bedroom and I got.
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Two on this table right here.
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Yeah, yeah. So let's, let's talk about those. What, like what, why, why are they important? And how do you know what frequencies in each crystal?
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Okay, I'm not a crystal expert. I'm a collector. I, I collect them because they just make me feel so darn good having them. But I do know that to go back to the language of emotion again, every emotion has a frequency to it. You've probably heard this before. Think about your emotions as resonating with life and other people and relationships. Right? A relationship can be the words you say, but it's not the actual word that's necessarily hurtful. The word is like the tip of the point on the arrow. The arrow itself, though, that sent that word was the feeling, the intention behind it. Right? Like, you know, I'm trying to think of a quick example. I can't, I can't.
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Well, no, no, here, here's an example I can tell you right now. So if you're in business with someone, you have a partner and tell me if I'm wrong, and you have this feeling of like, there's something needs to be done in the business and the partner needs to like, do something, and you go to him and like these, man, they're not. She's not doing her job, man. Like, you get on the phone with her, you need to be doing your job. Like what? We need to do this, this, and this, right? Versus versus. Hey, this is our company, and we're a team. And my intention is to get that person back on track. And so that we can. So we say the same words like, hey, we need to be doing this stuff here so that we can achieve this goal that we all set together. And it's not being done right now, so we need to get on track with this. What can I help you with? But we're saying almost the same thing, but it's like the intention behind it. First blame versus get back on track.
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The first one was full of lack thinking. All of those negative emotions are generally going to fall in that bucket. They're not doing enough. I'm not getting what I need from them. Empty, empty, empty. You can feel there's a feeling behind that of, I need more pulling more. I'm mad, I'm frustrated. Lack, lack. I don't have what I need. The other conversation about the exact same topic is I want to give, I want to correct, I want to offer, I want to support, I want to discover. And if it ends up that you tell me I just don't want to do this anymore, I'd be like, awesome, I just freed you and I freed me. But there's no lack in any of that conversation at all. So that's why I'm saying emotions are the color box that we have. And I guess to go back to crystals, people do believe that certain crystals are also sort of like a crayon box of alignment, like that big amethyst. If you can't see it behind me, I have a giant amethyst, right? It's quote frequency or the emotional or the energy within it is supposed to evoke a sense of spiritual connectedness and awareness. Whereas a piece of, you know, rose quartz is supposed to. Here's a little rose quartz example, right? It's supposed to open up my heart space and remind me that my heart is guiding and directing me and sort of gentle me and balance me when I'm getting too angsty or and lack thinking. But, you know, when people are working with energy, I always look at it like you can pick any of a hundred different icons to use with it. You can use crystals, you can use astrology, you can use numerology. You could say every number has a frequency. You can say every planet has a frequency. Every rune Has a frequency. You can say that the Bible, to go into more traditional, has a frequency. Right. Everything. It's just what draws you. Like, what are the tools that you want to play with.
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Yep.
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In my particular world, the tool that I play with is just all my. All in my mind. It's just my actual self and the. The physical objects I use around me are my fun objects. But I do the majority of directing in my life through this sort of emotional, energetic process that I call, you know, flow dreaming. My brand, basically.
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Yeah. And by the way, I don't think you're not a crystal expert, but, like, if you have a bunch of crystals in your. In your space, the. The frequencies affect each other, cancel each other out, interfere with each other.
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In my space, they don't. But I do notice that I gravitate towards certain ones. I have a ton of quartz. I have a ton. A ton of selenite. I have a ton of amethyst and citrine.
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Amethyst, Citrus.
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I don't know how I've ended, by the way. Yes. Elevation. Yeah. I don't know that they cancel one another out, but they. They can amplify. So think of it more like making a soup. Right. If I put a little cinnamon in my vegetable soup, it changes the taste wildly. If I put some lemon in it, then the cinnamon gets a little balanced. It's not like anything cancels. Everything just expands and enhances. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's like a rainbow. The colors aren't. Aren't canceling one another out. They're expanding. They're representing even more than what the physical eye can see. So that's why. And, you know, just to go beyond crystals, what we surround ourselves with, even physically, like, I make it a point. My office is the color of the underwater tropical sea. It's filled with things that make me feel happy because when I. Every time my brain is sucking in and taking in this information around me, it's becoming part of me. It's like literally getting embedded in my memories, in my cells. What I want to have coming into me needs to be representative of what I want to feel in my entire life. So I think our physical surroundings are also really, really important for us. Yeah. And that's why I help people with things like clutter or, you know, paint those walls, for God's sake. Brown is not. Your color.
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Environment is huge. Yeah. All right, let's get into your story, Summer. Everybody's got a story. What's your story?
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Oh, boy. Well, I never intended to do the work. I do But I was sort of born into it. So I am a seventh generation intuitive. The oldest daughter. The oldest daughter. The oldest daughter. The oldest daughter. And on we go. My goal in life when I was a teenager was to get away from all that wild, woo woo spiritual stuff, because that's what you do when you're a teen. You want to be like anything but your parents. So I said, I'm going to go to college and I'm going to go into publishing and I'm going to have a real job and not do any of that crazy stuff you guys do. Well, I went to college and I got a real job. Of course, the first publishing company I applied to ends up being a publishing house called Hay House, founded by Louise Hay, which was filled with pretty much every legendary personal growth author of the 80s 90s, 2000s, 2010s. I mean, they're still here today. But during the time I was there, it was full of, you know, Dr. Wayne Dyer. He was my co host on the radio actually for five years.
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Oh, yeah, yeah. Listen to a lot of his stuff, Louise.
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Yeah. Greg Braden, Marianne Williamson, like everybody. And life was just kind of circling me right back to what ended up being. And I realized what I was actually asking for the whole time, the whole time, what I was asking for. I thought I was asking to work in publishing and spread, you know, great words through the world and, you know, communication and life instead said to me, you can communicate and we're going to put you in a place where you learn how to communicate really well. And we're going to put you in a place where you don't only do that through books, but also through the Internet, through radio, through podcasting. In fact, we're going to have you be one of the first podcasters in the world. Your show is going to start in 2005. I didn't know it at the time. This is all hindsight, right? So I had to build a podcasting network in 2005, a radio, a live radio network that streamed live call in talk radio style podcasting with all the different authors that our publishing company put out in the world of spirituality. And I thought, all right, I've reached it. This is the top of my game. Okay, fine, fine. God, life, world, whatever, you got me. I'm back in the world of spirituality. You're right, I'm uniquely qualified for it, but I'm still smart and intellectual and I'm not going to be all that way. Well, life wasn't done with me yet. 2009 was a year we all remember everybody got laid off. I also got laid off. And it was the most fortunate and blessed thing that ever happened. I was angry as heck for a long time for a variety of reasons. But eventually I came to realize it was the best thing because I had been practicing this flow dreaming craft that I thought was just a personal private practice again, didn't want to share it with the world, didn't want to be that way. Turns out a lot of the world really resonated with it. A lot of the world at that time and today said, I'm trying to meditate and I can't. What else do you have for me? Or I want to learn how to do the secret and all the loa stuff. Well, law of attraction, but it's not working. What else do you have for me? And I put up my hand and said, well, I have something for you. I have a little something that kind of works for people. Work like gangbusters. My company took off, became a multi million dollar company. I wrote it like a bucking bronco by the seat of my pants. Like I didn't have any investor capital. It was all me, just me. But I had been tutored. I had been given a virtual MBA by being given a million dollar of, you know, funding in my corporate career for the past 10 years, learning how to build great stuff. And now life said, okay, now do it by yourself. And that's all you're going to do. And this is all you're going to teach and you're just going to go help people and show them how to do the same thing too. And that's my story. I've been literally doing that since 2005 now. So I'm hitting my 20th year of teaching people how to flow, dream, how to sculpt and change their future or their lives, how to get their, how to get their goals in a very different way. Whether they're woo woo or not woo woo. I spent a lot of my time in the beginning when I researched my first book. I just called up physicists, honest to God, Michio Kaku, Dean Radin, Fred Alan Wolf, Ahmet Ghazwani, a bunch of them. And I said okay, the spirituality stuff, the psychic stuff, this intuitive stuff, this manifesting, is this legit? Like is there any, like, I know that I'm this way but I want to know that you guys, that there's something more here. And I really got into science and spirituality and kind of how they hinge together now. And they're continuously growing more and more Together. I mean, I can't tell you the number of, you know, Popular Mechanics articles I'm constantly getting or Scientific American articles. Consciousness is a net. Consciousness is a field. Oh, my God. Information jumps between neurons into the quantum field and back again. And I'm like, yeah, it does. It does.
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Yeah.
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So I've been trying to humanize all of that and really teach people how to utilize this part of literally ourselves, our brains, to double the effect of how they're typically going through life. I'll let you get jump in.
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Yeah, well, no, but the proximity too. You got to mention all the proximity to all those people rubbed off on you as well. You know, proximity is, to me, two things lead to elevation. Proximity and assessment. Proximity to people and things or information, but also assessing where you are, what you're doing to see if it's in alignment with the mission intention that you set. So one thing I always do in the evening times is I'll think about the day and I'll think about where my thoughts, my words, my actions, and the environment that I kept in alignment with my intention. And if it's not, I can correct it. But if I don't ever assess, I can't correct it. And then proximity to people, places, things, data, those two things. So you have proximity to some amazing people, you know.
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Yeah.
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And that's, that's had to have had some in, you know, input into what you've done and the success that you've had. So I want to know what flow dreaming is now, though. We got to know how you accidentally ran into that. And, and what is it specifically?
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Okay, so it's woo woo or not woo woo, depending on, like, where you want to come from. I work with psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors. They'll look at it and say, I'm going to get, I'm going to work with my patients with this, but I can't bring the woo into it. And I'm like, great, we'll call it emotional reconditioning. Yeah, right. Or, or future pacing. If we want to go into a corporate world, that's the term they're familiar with.
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Can I, can I gotta kind of point something out. So this is important to me because I think that when we talk about the woo woo stuff or we say, well, if you think it is, or what is it? Whatever. I think we're validating people's invalidation of the thing that you do that works. So to me it's.
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Oh, I'm not apologizing.
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Yeah, no, I mean, but I think that that it, not that you're doing it, but it validates, it gives validation to people that are like, oh, that's woo woo, that you're committed and, and, and you've seen it works and you believe in it and you're convicted by it. You just roll with it. And then the people that don't like, like, screw them, right? Because I think some of us subconsciously, we look for a license from other people subconsciously even. And it's like, I'm not doing that. I'm doing what I intend to do. I don't need a license from anyone. I don't, I'm not driving a car here. I'm not get my real estate license. I'm doing me and I don't need license to do me. And so anyway, I just want to.
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Throw that out there because I, I, I agree. Okay. For me, it's a deeply spiritual practice, but I teach Hindi, I teach Muslim, I teach Christians. I, I've taught a group of Catholic nuns, literally in Ireland. Yeah, I give them a whole workshop on this. So I, I try and a lot of people are taught, oh, you can't do that. That is weird devil stuff, you know. So I'm, I'm trying to oftentimes meet people where they're at. Atheists, agnostics. And so that's why I try to separate it at times from the spiritual because I'm meeting, I'm meeting everybody where they're at and trying to communicate will fit into any of your beliefs. You don't have to change your beliefs. Your, your beliefs about God or spirit or lack thereof, you have to change that at all. Nor is it going to go against it.
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No, because that's why when I go back to the Bible and read the Bible after studying quantum physics and quantum mechanics and quantum resonance and Jesus talks about it, but he didn't use that, that nomenclature necessarily. Yeah, he talks totally. So it's, yeah. So, all right.
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Absolutely.
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So all right, so what is flow dreaming? Like, what is it?
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All right, we'll go back. Okay, so there's three components to it. First of all, it's a practice, right? It's a practice that you do. It's like yoga. You can do the downward dog, but you can also study the teachings of yoga. Most people, when they go to the gym, they're just doing downward dog. They're just doing the physical aspect of it. They never want to hear about the philosophy behind it. Flow drumming is similar. The physical practice is one of emotional reconditioning or spiritual Communication. The bigger picture is a whole way of looking at life, which is that we are in constant motion. That motion creates alignment. We've all been literally shot from the arrow of time, as a physicist would say. And we are all traveling in an aligned direction. Everything around us, that direction has a path of pure ease and a path of pure flow, and there is no resistance. Earth is going around the sun. It's not struggling, it's not getting confused. It's not dropping in and out of orbit. Water is flowing from the tallest mountain downward based on gravity. Stuff may get in its way, but it's always finding the easiest path, right? The path of least resistance. Or if you get into, again, science, whatever takes the littlest energy to achieve our goals, that's us also, as we are traveling through our lives, we forget that there is this fundamental, absolutely frictionless space. Like if you imagine electricity, there's no resistors on that circuit board, just going from there to there. Boom. Unless you put stuff in the way to stop that flow. So I always remind myself, my life also has a perfect flow. No resistance, nothing getting in the way, going wherever I'm intending that arrow to go. But stuff piles in other people, relationships, opportunities, things that I'm thinking that go in and mash it all up and change it all around. So that's sort of the philosophy behind what flow itself is in the grandest picture that I want to always remember. I want the easiest path. Whatever I'm creating, I want the easiest path. Not because I'm lazy, but if I get an easy path, I can double down and I can get even more done. I want to be the bird flying with the wind, and I'll flap my wings really hard if I have to. But if I flap and I'm on a current, like I am really booking, if I'm going against it, I am holding and I'm exhausting myself. So that's one of the first ideas, right? And that's sort of flow itself. Now, flow also has another definition to it. It's the psychological definition. So Dr. Mihaly Chichenmihalyi, the father of positive psychology, coined this term and described it. We've all heard it. It's kind of gotten very popular lately, like for mental hacking and so on. Get into flow state. Imagine your golf swing, get into that hyper, and they make it sound so hard. It's not. We all accidentally fall into flow multiple times a day. Whenever you've lost your consciousness, focus on something, and you drifted off and you come back, you were kind of Bilocating your consciousness at that point. Now, we typically do that mostly when we daydream, when we stay sustained in it. Like, say you're writing and you look up and it's been an hour, and you're like, whoa, where was I? That just all just, like, flew out of me. You'll be like, oh, I was in flow. You were in flow. You took that daydream state and you activate it into a certain performance. I said, what happens if we take that idea and I apply it to my emotional, energetic self? What if I apply it to my spirituality? What if I apply it to that idea that if I really am moving into my future every second, my feature is literally waiting on me every minute to say, here I am. Here I am. Here's who I am now. Here's who I am now. So it can, like, match me, so it can mirror me. And most of us just default second after second into our futures. I said, no, no, I'm going to take a few minutes and not default into the next moment. I'm going to intention the next moment. And how do I do that? What am I going to intend? What's going. How do I do that? That's where the technique comes in. Here is who I am future. I'm not this. I know I'm not. I'm not that way necessarily now because of things around me. In fact, maybe there's nothing outside of me in my life that gives me permission to feel this way. Let's say I want to be rich because everybody loves that one, right? I want to be wealthy, ungodly rich. Yeah. I want to have all my needs met. I want to be retired. I want to be a philanthropist. I want to be rich. So people would say, well, you can't, you know, feel your way to be rich when you're not really rich. You're faking it. I'm like, no, I'm not faking it. Not at all. My future is asking me who I am so it can pair stuff up. So as I step into it, I'm kind of getting something that pairs up. If I am sitting here for five minutes and I'm going into this flow state, this expanded state, and I am feeling. I am so overflowing. I am so abundant. I have so much in my life, I don't even. I can't even give it all away. I don't even know what to do with it. Not only that, it wasn't hard, it wasn't difficult. I didn't work myself to the bone. I Didn't hurt anybody. It was just. It was right for me and I was right for it. And it was already there, just like a cloud of money floating in the sky. And I was standing underneath and it decided to rain on me and picked me. And I say thank you, I receive, I accept, okay, I'm describing something and I'm using visuals, but really I'm trying to get you to feel what it's like. And there's so many feelings packed into that. You know, just like awe, gratitude, fullness, strength. I can carry this ownership. That's all packed in now. I just did that feeling. That feeling is now part of me. It's never going away. It's in me forever. And people who believe in souls and spirits will say, every experience we have becomes part of who we are. Right? People who don't believe are going to say, every experience we have becomes locked into part of our cellular memory, perhaps our neural network. It's in me, though, for however long you want to say it lasts in life or afterlife and through all the lives. My job is to create those feelings that I want to use to change me. I want to do it every day. Because most of us, we live in what I call a reactive state. Something happens, we respond. Something happens, we respond. I want to feel rich, but I can't until I get a new client. I want to feel rich, but I can't until my boss gives me a raise. So I'm waiting on the outside world to somehow bring stuff together so I can feel a certain way. In the meantime, what I'm feeling is I don't have it. What is the world? I just stepped a moment into my future. What is the world feeling that I don't have it? The world's going, okay, you don't have it. Tell me when you want to change that. And we default. We fall forward in this kind of default until the moment we say, here, I feel it first. So I have a whole world of language for this in my teachings, I call it preaction as opposed to reaction. I like responding instead of responding. So I'm pre acting and I'm pre spawning. I do this daily and I'm actually building an entire part of myself now. One other piece to this is I'm going to create eventually what I call an energetic emotional blueprint for my life. There's a non physical part of us and a physical part of us, right? There's a black and a white and an up and a down and a left and a right. There's a Non physical and a physical. And you can't just pretend one is unavailable until you die. It's. There is part of you right now. So I want us to fully use the non physical part of us. And I always say it's like an architect, you want to build a house, you just throw all the lumber down and tell people, go to work what you're going to get. You have an architect and they go, here are the plans, Here you go. Great. Now we know what to build. So the pre action, the non physical work, the flow dreaming work I do is building the blueprint so that as I kind of lurch forward every moment in my life, the stuff that comes to me goes. Part of the blueprint? Yes, not part of the blueprint. Bounce. Yep. Away it goes. Yep. Okay. So anyway, the technique itself is super simple. It uses guided daydreaming. We drift into flow state and then we start using incredible, intense and beautiful emotion. And that's it. And if you can't see things, if you're not good at visualizing, don't worry about it. If you have, if you're neurodiverse, if you have adhd, if you have a great imagination, if you're like a heavy reader and you can get totally lost in your novel, you're gonna love this. Absolutely love it. It's built for us.
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And how do people practice, like get involved with it? Like what do they do they call you or how does it work?
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Okay, well there's a couple different ways. I have been teaching this for free, the technique for free my entire life. I've never charge anybody to learn how to do it because I feel like it's a natural part of us. So if you go to My website, flow dreaming.com, i have free Flow Dreams to start with and I also have a kit that teaches you how to do it. I have an app on the phone too. If people go to their phone and look up Flow Dreaming, there's two apps you want to get. The one that is called Flow Dreaming for meditation and manifesting. It will walk you through the process and I will guide you into it. And through your first flow Dream, people will make a mistake and think they're meditating. They're like, oh, I can't meditate. Or they'll try to meditate. And they're like, there's way too much emotion and energy and you're talking too fast and blah blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, because I don't want you meditating. I don't want any subconscious programming going On I don't want any of that. I need you to feel with me. I need you to hype up that energy. So there's a lot of different ways to learn, but it comes down to this. Similar to meditation, you can flow dream on your own, just leading yourself through, or you can pick up a guided meditation or a guided flow dream. And that's why I've got like 300 of them on all different topics. You can use a guided flow dream.
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Why don't you want the subconscious being affected?
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Because, okay, so a couple different reasons. Sometimes people will use my flow dreams and I have a series of them called flow dream meditations. Specifically meant to drench your subconscious. Like to just drench you to listen to in the background while you're working. Those are sort of passive, receptive ways of letting it come in, sink in. Flow dreaming is a really active process. So if I'm activating my subconscious, I'm saying do it to me, right? But what I'm actually doing is I'm doing it to the world. I'm self generating these feelings. I'm not waiting for them to come to me. And if you ask anybody, it's a weird feeling. Like most people know how to bring up gratitude on demand. I can immediately feel grateful. But what if I ask you to feel absolute joy right now? Go into a state of pure, unadulterated joy about nothing. You'd be like, I'd have to be the Buddha, right? Isn't he the only one who can do that? No. So we have to train ourselves. What does it take to feel joy? Just plain joy, Can I do that? What does it take to feel absolute, deep rooted, forever contentment about my finances? Can I do that? Right? So we have to. Sometimes we have to train ourselves to feel certain emotions that we haven't had enough experience with that we've been waiting life to give us more reasons to feel. So those become the ones that we work on more and more and usually those ones that we have to work on to feel. Because life hasn't given us enough experiences, it means those are actually dip points or low points in our life as well. That makes sense. We haven't had enough money, we haven't had enough joy. If I tell you to feel anger right now about nothing, probably can feel it really well and easy, huh?
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It's just like, oh yeah, well, maybe the audience. I think I've worked on myself. I think that's the hard one for me. Now when you said joy, I feel the joy I feel the joy when I must have done some work on myself.
B
You probably have, because that's a toughie.
A
For a lot of us.
B
But we can all immediately feel frustration. Like, oh, I can feel frustration.
A
Yeah. So here's the way I look at it, and I've studied this as well and from different angle, but like, you have a thought and then you can take that thought and then have an effort from it. But what makes the thought and effort combined together is the emotion. Emotions like the stickiness, the glue for the thought and effort to be directed in the right direction and. And to. To. To be determined to keep going. And. And if you don't have the emotion, the sticky part. And that sticky part can slow you down or could speed you up, you know? So, yeah, I. I love this. This is 100 spot on, man. I love that. I love the way you frame it and everything. It's awesome. So flowdreaming.com folks, you can go to flowdreaming.com anywhere else you want to send them.
B
Summer. Yeah, the app floatering.com they can find me on Instagram. Summermctstravic. Basically, I mean, I just tell people, get started. I do have a group that I work with every month. If people want to get accountable with their flow dreaming, if you want to actually add this into a practice and learn how to do it, they can join me. I call it the Rising Light Leaders. It's a mastermind. And I have like 36 different courses on how to use flow dreaming for all different things in your life. From. I have a course on how to increase your friendships, how to draw more people who are like you into your life, and stop worrying about letting go of the people who no longer fit you. That's a course. I have a course on beyond fear, which for me was a really big one because I realized that fear was the one thing that really stopped me a lot in my life. Everything I wanted was behind a wall of fear at one point for me. And the only way was to start breaking that down. So I broke it down by starting energetically to feel what it would be like if I felt very powerful, very free. If every time I said no, people said, awesome, oh, my God, we're waiting for you to set that boundary. That is amazing. I'm like, that is how I want to feel about everything.
A
Yeah.
B
So I mean, there's. There's so many different areas you can work on. Money, business, growth, relationships. And that's where, yeah, it is manifesting, but it's more like a very long game that I play. Right. I'm setting fruit right now or blossoms for fruits that will come to me in 10 years. And I have a 20 year look back now on this process and my life is really, really good.
A
That's awesome.
B
Not to say I haven't been through stuff. I'm a cancer survivor. I have a lot of stuff that I've still been through, but I've used my process through it all. Yeah. So, yeah. Anyway, yeah, I should probably plug more flowdreaming.com or get my books go on Amazon. I got three of them. They're I think they're pretty darn good. They'll teach you as well, how to do this process and more.
A
All right, guys, go support summer mixtravic flow dreaming.com Go check out our books. You can the apps on the flow dreaming.com site as well. You can check it out if you just want to go to one place. And I'm sure you can access her books there as well or Amazon. Just Google search her name. Summer, thank you so much for your time today. It's been awesome. I love what you're doing and I love how you frame everything.
B
Thank you so much, Mike. It's been a pleasure.
A
All right, hang tight while I wrap this up, folks. Make sure you go subscribe, tell your friends, family, coworkers about us and our guest, Summer McStravik, and keep coming back. Until next time, it's your boy, C rock Summer McStravik signing off on that one. I'm sorry, that one studio on the what do you made of show be that one.
Host: Mike "C-Roc" Ciorrocco
Guest: Summer McStravick
Date: February 11, 2025
In this episode, Mike “C-Roc” welcomes Summer McStravick—pioneer of Flow Dreaming—to explore how emotions shape personal reality, performance, and success. They discuss how emotional energy is not just a human experience but an accessible tool for self-mastery, and how manifesting a better life starts from within. Summer shares her life story, lessons from proximity to legendary spiritual thinkers, and practical methods anyone can harness for growth.
[01:34]
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“My language is emotion… I suggest to everybody that it’s really your superpower and it’s what we direct our lives with and how we create everything.” — Summer [01:45]
[02:42]
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“Every time you say ‘I can’t’ or ‘that’s just not going to happen in this life’, I hear… power leak, power leak, power leak.” — Summer [03:35]
[04:46]
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“If everything is about relationship, then you’re in relation with literally everything.” — Summer [05:06]
[06:21] – [09:48]
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“Every emotion has a frequency to it...think about your emotions as resonating with life and other people.” — Summer [06:24]
[11:56] – [17:32]
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“I had to build a podcasting network in 2005...life said ‘now do it by yourself...and just go help people and show them how to do the same thing too.’” — Summer [14:28]
[17:32]
[18:31] – [30:11]
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“[With Flow Dreaming]...my job is to create those feelings that I want to use to change me. I want to do it every day...most of us, we live in what I call a reactive state… I want to feel rich, but I can’t until I get a new client. I want to feel rich, but I can’t until my boss gives me a raise. So I’m waiting on the outside world… [instead] I feel it first.” — Summer [25:44]
[30:11] – [34:27]
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“Flow Dreaming is a really active process...I need you to feel with me. I need you to hype up that energy.” — Summer [31:34]
[34:27] – [36:16]
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“Everything I wanted was behind a wall of fear at one point...so I broke it down by starting energetically to feel what it would be like if I felt very powerful, very free.” — Summer [35:12]
This episode bridges the worlds of emotion, energetic alignment, and practical entrepreneurship, showing that inner emotional mastery is the foundation of outward success. Summer’s approach dismantles the barriers between science and spirituality, and provides clear, actionable ways to prime your emotions and, by extension, reshape your life.
“What you’re thinking right now is what you’re getting… You’re just reflecting. You’re in a hamster wheel circle right now.”— Summer [04:35]