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What Are You Made Of?
Ketamine, Testosterone, Dopamine, and the New Science of Feeling Your Best with Dr. David Mahjoubi
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Welcome back to the what do you made up show. It's your boy C Rock here. I'm here with Dr. David Majuby. We met each other at the Biohackers World conference out in la. I was on the, you know, stage interviewing my guy, Dr. Nathan Bryan, and doing some podcasting out there. And of course, I just, I love the network. So I'm walking around different booths and just talking to people. And this is one of the great people that were there. And I got to meet nice dude. And I was like, man, let's get get you on the show. Dr. David, welcome to the show, man.
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B
Thank you, thank you for having me.
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A
Yeah, let's get into it, man. I want to learn more about you, where you came from and how you got to doing what you're doing and you know, the mission behind it. But we start that conversation with the question, what are you made of?
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B
What am I made of? Well, I'm made of an ingredient that's relentless, that keeps going and going despite setbacks. So. And everyone's gonna have setbacks, but you got to keep pushing through and as long as you imagine your goal and imagine the steps needed to get there, you'll get there.
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A
Like it? I like it. Okay, so you started, you started as an anesthesiologist. Is that like the thing that you started out coming out of college?
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B
I did, yeah. I mean, in med school I saw the anesthesiologist, I was like, wow, those guys are cool. They could go to different departments and they don't have to have an office, they don't have any overhead. It's amazing. And then I get out and I do anesthesia and I'm at the surgery centers in Beverly Hills. I actually used to be on the show Botched with Paul Nassif. I don't know if you watched that. Yeah, I realized I have entrepreneurial blood and I want have my own clinic and see what I can do, what I'm made of, essentially. And so I started a ketamine clinic, one of the first ketamine clinics in the country back in 2014. And as an anesthesiologist, ketamine is right up our alley. We know how to use it in the operating room, post op area. So I started that. It grew really fast and I opened another one in Orange County. And so for 10 years I had two ketamine clinics and I just recently actually sold them in December a few months ago. And I'm continuing with the online prescriptions. So I really believe in the at home Modality. And so I provide that in 14 states currently. And I also have another website called drdavidwellness.com and I have some biohack products on there, for example, and clomiphene to naturally boost a man's testosterone, or rapamycin. I don't know if you heard of that. Another name. I've heard of it.
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A
I don't know what it.
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B
Yeah, so another name for it is sirolimus, and it's amazing for skin longevity. It was originally produced as an oral tablet to prevent organ rejection and organ transplants because it reduces inflammation, et cetera. But it blocks the MTOR complex in our skin, and it increases the cell life. And so that's a good thing to increase skin longevity. I'm two years to 50, and a lot of people are like, wow, you look like you're in your 30s. And I'm like, yeah, it's because it's my repar. Mycin facial cream.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. So, anyways, long story short, I have my online telehealth ketamine prescription program on neutralbrainclinic.com and then the Biohack products on Gotcha.
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A
Okay, I'm gonna get into ketamine in a second. I just want to touch real quick on the clomiphene. I've been taking it for just over a year, and within five weeks, it doubled my total and free testosterone.
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B
Amazing.
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A
And I was just like, wow, this is amazing. It's just a tablet you take. And, you know, I was taking it every day at first, and now I'm taking it. I'm taking it 25 milligrams every other day, and it's just staying right where it needs to be. Now, I want to ask you, though, what are the drawbacks taken in clomiphene versus trt?
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B
Right. So within clomiphene, and I was going to actually mention 25 milligrams every other day could raise your estrogen or estradiol, so watch out for that. I usually tell my patients 75 milligrams a week max. Okay. But the fact that you doubled your tea with it, that's amazing. You probably harnessed some. Some natural biohacks also, like, better sleep, maybe, or. Of course.
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Yeah, yeah, I mixed it all together for sure. But that five weeks was, you know, huge. And. And the. The estradiol was definitely high. We. We tested. I tested, like, regularly, and I used Dimplus, which made a difference.
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B
Okay.
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A
And the dhea, I slowed down on that and. And cut that dose in half, too. And it helped. Yeah. So, yeah, you're right on track with it.
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B
Yeah. For some people who have to take something else to reduce the estradiol, clearly it hasn't happened to you. But for some people, it can create some mood effects. So, like, it's called an aromatase inhibitor, and that reduces the estradiol. But some people feel a little down from it. So I'm like, okay, just cut back on the enclose. And to answer your question, enclomiphene can preserve SPER production. Right. Whereas TRT does not. Yeah, but, you know, some people just need the trt. And I've had some patients who are like, the enclose helped me a little bit, but not enough. I'm like, you know what? Then go ahead and do trt. And I actually am a big proponent of the pellets. Just doing testosterone pellets in the kind of right upper quadrant of the buttocks. It lasts three to four months, so you don't have to do injections twice a week. And that's a good way to go about it.
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A
That's if you're a little. Never mind. I was gonna say the P word. I don't mind injections. Like, I. You know, I've done Tessa, Morellin, ipamorelin. I've done all the needle. It's not even that big a deal, like, subcutaneously, I guess they call it. I'm not a doctor, if you haven't figured that out. But, yeah. No, but, yeah, because TRT suppresses your body's ability to make testosterone. Right. Produce testosterone. So if you get on it, you're kind of on it, Right?
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B
You're on it, but you can't get off it and restart your own tea production, especially with the help of enclomiphene or Clomid. Clomiphene. So it's not something for life if you started it. You can have kids if you do trt. My. I did TRT at one point for about a year, and the doctor recommended just taking clomiphene twice a week during that time to just keep your FSH and LH secreted, which is the hormone in the brain that produces your own testosterone. So I did that, and I'm good with my own natural production still.
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A
Okay. And when you said that, the one patient said, you know, it's just not doing it, and then he went to trt, what was he talking about? The levels of testosterone and free testosterone that wasn't doing it there or the. What he was getting from it. His testosterone levels were raised but he just wasn't getting results.
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B
Exactly. He still had symptoms of fatigue, decrease in strength. He was in his late 40s, had a pretty high stressful job, and so he got up to 650. 700 with the total T, but it just wasn't enough for him.
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A
Yeah, okay, gotcha. So the levels weren't enough.
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B
Levels weren't enough.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. It wasn't just the results or the results exactly. Yeah.
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B
Because, you know, 700 is great for one person, but nothing, you know, not great for another person. So.
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Yeah, I went from 500 to 1100. Okay.
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B
All right.
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And then. And then 100 free. I don't know what units this is, but 100 free to 200 free. Okay, so, yeah, 1100.
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B
You want to check your hemoglobin and hematocrit, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, could set you up for DVT or thrombosis or blood clots.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, we checked all that.
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B
Yeah, you checked all that to prevent your blood from getting viscous because the increased hemoglobin creates viscosity.
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A
Yep. Check that. Man, I'm glad my guy knows what he's doing, because what you're saying here, I'll be like, oh, man, we didn't check that. No, that's good, man.
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B
Yeah.
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And then. All right, so hold on. I'm gonna be reset here because I'm excited about this stuff. I love talking about this. Oh, so besides the. Besides the estradiol and all that, is there any drawbacks to taking in Clomiphene vs. TRT? If enclomiphene gets you to the level you wanted to.
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B
Other drawbacks with enclomophene? Not that I can think of, honestly. Yeah, not off the top of my head. Yeah, that's pretty good.
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A
All right, and then let's. I want to get to ketamine in a second. But. But you, like, you. You started as a. A anesthesiologist, and then what made you decide to start, like, looking into, getting into, you know, the biohacking stuff and the ketamine and all that?
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B
Yeah, the biohacking stuff. Myself. Just wanted to biohack my own longevity and feeling better. So I started doing some nad self injections. The enclo. At around the age of 35. I had four jobs at one point, actually. I used to be a hospice medical director plus anesthesiologist plus ketamine guy, etc. And so I was just working a lot. So the enclo really helped with libido, muscle strength, and keeping up The T that was otherwise testosterone, that was otherwise being driven down by this stress. So. And then I was like, oh, well, these things work. Why don't I provide them as a side thing at my clinic, at my ketamine clinic. So I took over the suite next door at my Westwood clinic, and I created the IV healing spa. And so I was doing infusions of NAD there, Myers cocktail, all that stuff, and then also providing to patients the rapamycin facial cream, that enclomophene oxytocin nasal spray, which can help with mood and libido. So that's how I got into it.
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Yeah, I. When I had the estradiol hot elevated, I didn't notice any symptoms, which is good. Yeah, I mean, it was. It was up there. It was like 74 or something like that. And I was, like, looking for bitch tits and looking for. I don't know if that's the correct term or not, but I was looking for tenderness in the nipples and, you know, motions or feeling, you know, all that. And I didn't have anything. So it was good. But we. We got her down.
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B
I think for some people, increased estradiol could cause erectile dysfunction.
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I didn't have any problem there either, but, you know, I did. I did notice, like, when I had to, like, after that five weeks, man, like, I was like a soldier in the morning again. And I wasn't like that, you know, being woken up by it. And it's like, wow, this is cool. You know, when you're younger, it's annoying. Get older. Like. Like I said, I'm 49 now, man. I'm just like, yes, man, back.
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B
Yeah, you missed it when you're older.
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A
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was cool. All right. And then. And then the. I wanted to touch on nad because I haven't really messed with that much. Like, what. What does it do and what kind of things people notice once they take it.
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B
Yeah. So NAD is naturally found in the body. It's a coenzyme. And so with age, it decreases in production as well as being underutilized. So you have it, but it's not utilized as well as you get older. So what NAD can do if you supplement with it, but. And I'll get to that in just a sec. How you should supplement, what it does is increase energy as well as mental clarity. Not for everybody. I have done infusions on people, IV infusions, and they didn't feel like it helped them. But these are also people that had a lot of energy to begin with. So I think if you're low in energy, low in mental clarity, you can certainly feel a difference. But, you know, the nasal nad, I've spoken to people who have tried it as well as pharmacies who dispense it, and they're not really saying it works. I believe if you're going to do nad, either do subcutaneous self injections at home or get an IV infusion at a center, which tend to be pricey. So I personally do the self injections at home.
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Yeah. So the oral stuff that people see out there on the. Then it's not going to see a benefit from it.
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I, I don't think so. I think some people swear by it, but.
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Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha, Gotcha. All right. And then as you got into this, like, what are some of the most amazing things that you've, like as you were learning, biohacking yourself and then opening up your clinics and all that, like, what are some of the most, like your favorite things that you were like? Wow.
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Yeah. Well, certainly what we talked about, that Clomiphene was a big wow.
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Yeah. By the way, it's so easy to take. It's just a little tablet. It's easy.
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B
It's amazing.
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And it's not that expensive, right?
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B
Exactly. I think most guys who are feeling low libido or a low muscle strength or decreased muscle strength should take it. So the enclosed. The rapamycin facial cream, I'm a big proponent of. I do think it works. I combine it with a strong retinol tretinoin. So I do rapamycin some nights and the tretinoin other nights. And it's great for skin longevity and the nad. Those are the three I personally take. I've heard amazing stories from women in their 50s about the oxytocin nasal spray helping with their libido. So perimenopausal postmenopausal women really benefit from oxytocin. And yeah, I also just came out with a erectile dysfunction tablet that has microdose ketamine in it. This is for guys who have anxiety induced erectile dysfunction. So the 10 milligrams or 50 milligrams of ketamine relaxes them and then you have some Viagra in there and then you also have oxytocin and apomorphine to help with connection and feeling passionate. So there's four different ingredients in this capsule that I came out with. I've had a bunch of guys try it and they, they think it's great. What's apomorphine Apomorphine can release dopamine in the brain, has nothing to do with morphine. It's not an opiate. I don't know why they call it apomorphine, but it releases dopamine. So some. A lot of people who have chronic stress, ptsd, they are kind of flat in terms of dopamine secretion. They're not feeling joy as much anymore. They're not pursuing hobbies as much anymore. And that has a lot to do with dopamine being secreted in the brain. So apomorphine can really help with that to get people back to feeling connected and passionate and just excited about things. It's. It's dopamine. Right?
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So, yeah, yeah, got it. Okay. So when I was in college, I partied, and cocaine was the thing. Right? Back then, Ecstasy was a thing, Adderall was a thing. And the feeling that you get from that, like, you know, we talk about those kind of drugs as, you know, because it's bad and it can end up in a really dark place. But the Superman feeling that you get from that stuff, like, why shouldn't we be able to feel that sometimes?
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Right?
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And is there stuff that we can do to feel like that without going down the road of addiction, Narcotics and different? You know what I mean? Like, I'm just being honest with you. It was like, that's why it's so dangerous, right? Because you get this Superman feeling 100. Yeah.
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B
I mean, cocaine is super addictive because of that dopamine secretion, but it's an excessive dopamine secretion, and then your body's depleted of it, which makes your body want to crave it. Same with opiates. Opiates don't release dopamine. They bind to opiate receptors. And once the body sees opiates like fentanyl or opium, the receptors upregulate and you have more of them in the body, and that's why the body craves it. Something like apomorphine, sublingual, and a sublingual tablet, you know, right before being intimate. You're not going to get addicted to that. It's going to be very subtle. But, yeah, I mean, you can do it on a subtle microdose level. Yeah.
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Okay. Gotcha. Yeah. Because, I mean, that's like. I don't hear people talking about that enough. They just talk about the dangers of it and people get hooked and all the bad stuff that comes along with that. But, like, the reason it's dangerous in the first place is because it does get some Kind of. You get some kind of juice from it, you know, and. And it's.
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And.
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And you know it. That's why it's dangerous. I'll just leave it at that. Yeah. So apomorphine. Okay. And that's that. What is that, a tablet or.
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It can't. Yeah, it can be a tablet. I put it in a sublingual tablet that just dissolves under the tongue within a minute. And it has the three other ingredients in there, so it really helps.
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A
Oxytocin. And what was the first one?
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Oxytocin apomorphine, Sildenafil. What is that? Generic viagra. Okay, so 50 milligrams of that to help with, you know, the erection, and then 15 milligrams of ketamine. So super low dose. You're not gonna, you know, really feel it, but it's going to relax you. And that's for people with the anxiety around intimacy. I can also make it without the ketamine. Some people, you know, just want the other parts of it, the other benefits. The hippomorphine, oxy, and the sildenafil.
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A
So, yeah, so let's talk about ketamine then. So, you know, people hear that and they think. What was his name? Perry from friends. Yeah, so. So what happened with all that, first of all?
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B
Yeah, so, you know, Matthew Perry had a history of addiction. He had an addictive personality. You know, it's not a secret that he liked to be altered with drugs. And so he went to multiple rehabs. And so he tried ketamine to help with his abdominal pain from a surgery. He had one or more surgeries, and apparently he wanted more ketamine when he was at the clinics or from ketamine physicians and wasn't able to get more. So he went to this ketamine Queen lady who was getting it legally. Well, I'm sorry, she was getting it illegally from doctors who were getting it legally. But these doctors should not be selling vials of ketamine to someone off the street. So ketamine Queen was giving Matthew Perry as much as he wanted. And Matthew Perry would have his assistant inject him with the ketamine. So these were injectable vials of ketamine that he was getting, not even tablets or nasal spray, which is much lesser, has lower bioavailability. The injections have 100% bioavailability. And whenever he would tell his assistant to inject him, the assistant would. And he was getting injected in the Jacuzzi. And then he was found laying in the jacuzzi dead. So that's a very atypical situation, and it's not a situation that should cause concern for people who want to microdose with it regularly for depression and anxiety and PTSD. I've been prescribing ketamine since 2014. I've never once had a complication. So not even someone getting in their car and having a car accident or anything like that. I do catch people about once every few months using multiple doctors to get ketamine. So myself and another physician, and I have to discharge them from my service because that's a violation of my terms of usage. But. Right. Otherwise, it's been a very safe way to relieve depression and anxiety without side effects of psychotropics like Wellbutrin, Prozac, etc.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have a history with that with my family, grandfather, grandmother, uncles. My mom anti anxiety, antidepressants. My grandmother overdosed on purpose. She did the same thing. She would go to different doctors and get more prescriptions. She felt like if one was made, you made her feel like that, 10 would make her feel 10 times better. And yeah, so I've had a. You know, as a kid growing up, watching that, you know, I never wanted to be put on that.
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B
We.
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We had a rollover accident, me and the family, in June of 2014 on Father's Day. We rolled over three times after being hit by somebody. And after that, I didn't want to drive because I was just. Every time I was on the road, I thought somebody would definitely come over the double line or somebody's. Every intersection I would come up to, somebody's definitely going to come. You know, it just had this, you know, PTSD from it, and they. They wanted to give me something for it. And I was like, no, I don't want to take anything. And what I did instead, I leaned into it. I actually. I couldn't imagine getting on a plane, not being in control of the plane. So what did I do? I just booked a whole bunch of trips and I leaned into it and pushed myself. And then before you know it, I was like, oh, I'm fine. And I think that takes courage to do that. I garnered up enough courage to do it. Not everybody can, I guess. But I think, man, I think that's the best treatment for that, honestly, is just like, lean into it. Like, I. I really, truly think when I found from my research on my doing myself, is fear will run from you when you chase it. Yeah, but it'll chase you if you run from It.
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B
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You did exposure therapy? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's what I found. So, all right, so what is ketamine? What is it?
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B
Yeah. Ketamine is a man made molecule. It does multiple things in the brain. It increases connections between brain cells, reduces inflammation in the, increases bdnf, or growth factors that are beneficial for the brain and has a lot of benefits when it's taken in mild to moderate doses. And, you know, that's the organic aspect of what ketamine does. The psychologic aspect is giving you a journey and allowing you to kind of see things from the outside, giving you epiphanies and realizations and giving new perspectives. So it has both the psychologic as well as organic component to its mechanism of action.
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A
And what are drawbacks to it? If you microdose, what are things to look for?
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Yeah, I mean, if you're microdosing at home, I've really, I haven't seen any drawbacks. I've had a few patients out of many thousands have a little nausea with it, but then I prescribe them Zofran and they're fine with it over time. But that's literally less than 1%. You know, just got to be safe about it. I mean, you shouldn't do it while you're driving. You know, you shouldn't do a couple sprays and go weightlifting with weights above your head. But otherwise I haven't seen any other drawbacks.
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A
Okay, and how often should people take it?
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Everyone's different. Some people just need it once a week to help them feel better. Some people will do a session, so to speak, at home. Meaning I'll prescribe them a high dose tablet and they'll just kind of sit back, put on some candles, bring out a journal, and take this like 200 milligram sublingual dose, which is relatively high. And they'll have a journey for 30 minutes. They'll maybe write some things down. And some people just need that once every week or two weeks even. And then I have some patients who have chronic debilitating anxiety and they need the nasal spray four times a day. And so they'll do one to two sprays in each nostril four times a day. And that helps them with their anxiety without the side effects of benzodiazepines, which tend to linger in the system. Things like Klonopin, Xanax, Ativan. Yeah.
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A
And is there a. When people stop, do they have to wean off of it like those other things?
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B
No, actually, there's no withdrawal symptoms. I had one patient tell me he felt like he had some symptoms of cravings when he stopped it, and he was using a lot. So I told him, just kind of go down slowly. And that was one patient out of thousands. Okay. So.
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A
And then I've heard recently some people talking about it for women for perimenopause and menopause. Have you looked into any of that?
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Well, if they're having depression from the perimenopause period or the postmenopause period, then certainly it can help. I've prescribed ketamine and done ketamine infusions for a lot of women with pmdd. Premenstrual dysmorphic disorder or dysphoric disorder, I should say. So these are women who, around the time of their period or right before it, they get severe depression, even suicidal depression. And so ketamine has really helped with those. So. Yeah.
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A
Interesting. All right, cool. All right. And then, so the tablets that you had, you're talking about. Is there. Is that tablet for women as well? Because. But you would just take the Viagra out of it.
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B
Oh, you're talking about the one with apomorphine.
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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Oxytocin. Yeah.
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It's not just for men, that part.
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No, it's not just for men. We could certainly do apomorphine. Oxytocin only. Yeah.
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A
Well, you know what you could do is create one with the female Viagra in it.
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B
That's true. Yeah.
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A
Right. Because Cindy Eckert created that. That. I don't know what. What company was called. Slipping my mind right now.
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B
Well, is. Is the female Viagra. It's just Cel. Daphil. Right. It's just same thing, isn't it?
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A
I'm really not sure. I don't.
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B
I don't know.
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But I know Cindy Eckert. The story is she created female Viagra. She sold the company. She. Because she couldn't get it pushed across the line. She sold it to a company, they ended up not launching it. And that was part of the contract that they launch it. She sold it for, I think, a billion. Right. Something like that. Because they. They breached a contract because they didn't launch it. She got the company back for free.
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B
Okay.
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Yeah, you should look it up. Cindy Eckert. Yeah. I'm not sure what the. What the medic. The medicine is, actually.
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B
Yeah, well, you know, females do have the. The clitoris, which is kind of looks like a tiny penis, many would say. And so that does rely on blood flow to get erect and have secretion. So it's probably sildenafil just increasing blood flow just like it does for men. And so, yeah, I did hear in the past that Viagra helped. Helped women. So it's probably same thing. Generic.
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Gotcha. Maybe. Maybe it is the same thing. And she was just marketing it as the female Viagra.
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B
I don't know.
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You take a look at it, and I'll probably look it up after the show, too. All right. And then you mentioned setbacks in the beginning of the show, and most people think that somebody's a doctor, that they don't have setbacks. Come on, you're a doctor, man. You went to medical school, you get a job, whatever, you make all this money and this and that. What kind of setbacks you talking about?
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B
Yeah, so many. So when I first graduated residency, 2009, I joined a hospital, Olympia Medical center, which is now closed six months after I joined the anesthesia group. Got kicked out, but they. They told me that I could stay. And I was like, all right. But the new anesthesia group that came, Oof. They were next level toxic, for lack of a better term. So went to another hospital, and then I went to another hospital called Northridge Hospital, and then a hospital called Mission Community opened a couple miles away and took a bunch of the surgeons from Northridge to there. And so all of a sudden, we didn't have work. And if you're not in the operating room as an anesthesiologist, you're not getting paid. So that happened. And then Obamacare caused some shifts in insurance reimbursement. So I went to the surgery centers. But when I opened my ketamine clinic, and I'm not going to named this person, there was an anesthesiologist who opened the ketamine clinic a year before me. And so he was not happy that I opened a ketamine clinic because I was essentially the second in his biggest competition. So he actually tried to sue me and was not successful there. And he went on kind of copying his clinic name, but I didn't, because my clinic name had the word ketamine in it and Los Angeles. And so did he. So, I mean, those are not really, you know, words. Exactly. So he did something after the failed lawsuit that was a really low move. He went to the medical board of California and claimed that I was getting people addicted to ketamine. So I had to come in front of the medical board with an attorney. I paid for everything and prove that I wasn't. And they, you know, found me innocent. They're like, yeah, you you're doing everything correct. You know, I had to go through all this stuff. And then a year and a half ago, I kind of had a. I had an employee who essentially really wasn't there. She went on disability soon after I hired her, tried to get money from workers comp. And couldn't. And so then sued me, sued my clinic and me individually for workplace stress and a couple other BS things, but she was never even there. So. But essentially it was either the lawyer was like. Her lawyer was like, either give us this much or we're going to go to trial. And, you know, you go to trial in this country, in this city, you're paying 1,000 an hour to an attorney. It could cost you a couple hundred K just to prove you're innocent. And it's not like I could get my money back if I win, right? A lot of times they don't have any money. So I just ended up settling. It was, you know, just like throwing money into a trash can. And. And that's actually kind of a big thing these days in la. I don't know about everywhere else, but the employment attorneys are having a field day out here. They just extort businesses by representing attorneys because they know business owners don't want to go to trial, right? So they'll make up a lot of bogus things.
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A
So.
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B
So after that happened, I was like, you know, it was a good run with the clinics, but it's time to go online, take care of me. And that's another important thing that I also mentioned when I was on the panel at the biohack conference. I'm like, if you find that your job is stressing you out and affecting your health and your mental health, step away. Change. So I got rid of the clinics, and I'm a lot happier. I got a home office. I still work five days a week. But I don't have to worry about these employment attorneys out there.
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A
There's always a way. There's always a way out. You're never stuck, even though you may feel stuck. I've been there before and I had. I had these. I had mortgage branches and I had people. You know, I had one guy say that I was treating him different because he was gay. And that's. It couldn't be further from the truth. I love. I love all people. I take care of all the people, especially if they can make me money. Are you kidding me? And this guy was a good loan officer. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. It never went anywhere, but it's just Like, I, I now, our agency now I have two people that work with me. Everybody's a independent individual contractor and I. Independent contractor. And I don't, I don't play, and I don't miss that at all.
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B
Right.
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A
You know, it's. It's just so much, so much so I don't blame you for doing that, but it's cool that you were innovative enough to, like, you know, go online with it and, you know, make it happen.
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B
So.
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A
All right, so you're in the LA area, so if people want to go deeper with you, where can they go?
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B
Nutrabrainclinic.com that's my website. And I provide the ketamine prescriptions in a lot of states like Florida, Texas, Arizona, New York, New Jersey. And then the other biohack website is Dr. DrDavidWellness.com and so both those ways.
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A
All right, go check it out, folks. Dr. David, thank you so much for your time today, man.
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B
Thank you so much.
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A
Appreciate you being here. Great talk, Great talk. All right, hang tight while I wrap this up, folks. That's this episode of the what do youo Made Up Show. Go to the top of your favorite podcast platform and hit the subscribe Follow button so you can keep hearing from our amazing guests. And until next time, be that one.