A (3:17)

Love. And what was the fourth? We'll have to listen to the replay.

B (3:22)

Well, but I got you the replay because I didn't premeditate it. But I was good.

A (3:27)

That's good.

B (3:28)

Seeker. I'm a seeker.

A (3:29)

That's good.

B (3:29)

So I said I'm a seeker. I love to learn. Like, I feel like every day on planet Earth is an opportunity to learn something. And I know we'll get more into my teachings, but I teach that there are seven key areas of life. I call them the seven pillars of abundance, spirituality, fitness, emotions, romance, mental, social and financial. So I am learning little, little tweaks in each of these seven areas all the time, every day from expected and unexpected sources. And I'm getting to the next level. And I feel even on my last breath on planet Earth, I will be learning something about spirituality or the afterlife or what it was all for. So I. The third thing is I am a constant seeker of knowledge and improvement.

A (4:23)

Yeah, I love that. I love that. You know, I say this all the time and everybody that listens to the show knows this, but the barrier, the biggest barrier, maybe if only barrier to learning is thinking you know everything. And I was like that when I was a younger kid. I thought I knew everything. I think a lot of us went through that. Yeah, right.

B (4:41)

Arrogance of youth, right?

A (4:42)

Yeah. Yeah. And the more, the older I got the real. The more I realized I don't know. And man. Yeah. So I've opened up now. Yeah. So. All right, so I want to talk. We're going to bounce around here. Okay. But I want to talk about the people pleasing thing because I have had successful businesses in the mortgage real estate space, built an eight figure company and went to crash and went back and built it again. And I was just running, boy, I didn't, I wasn't worried about stomping over anybody. I wasn't worried about what people thought. I had a goal and I was committed and I went after it. And if somebody got in a way and didn't go like a tough, tough crap. But then I started. I want to hear your take on this. I started being more aware of who I am here for and the help. The thing that I want to do is elevate people that are in my environment. Like if you come into my environment now, it's impossible not to elevate. But in that, in that realm. You like that. In that realm though sometimes I don't want to, I don't want to hurt people's feelings. Right. So it's like there's a balance. You can't go too far this way because then you get into that people pleasing thing and you don't set boundaries and you can tend to get walked all over. But you also have people in your environment that aren't good for the environment. And so in my late 40s now, I've been even handling it now to this day after I've done all the work and become who I am of hey, I think I went too far the other way. And I try to be more and more like Jesus every day. You know, I study the Bible every single day, I pray a lot and I just. But, but the more I've studied though, Rebecca, and I want to hear your take on this. I've learned that Jesus set boundaries. Jesus left people and went into the wilderness to be by himself. He went into the temple when he saw that they were being transactional versus transformational and knocked over tables. Right. And so this is an area of study that I've been in recently because I think I went too far the other way, honestly. And I'm self correcting. So what is your take on that?

B (6:48)

I am all about boundaries. As a recovering people pleaser, I would just, you know, give too much of my time and energy and I would let people rent free hotel space in my head. And I was thinking about what they were thinking about me and it was actually not self love. It was putting their love of me over my love of myself. And now I like to say that there are three kinds of business. My business, God's business and none of my business. And what other people think of me is none of my business. So when I am thinking about what other people think about me, that is actually self obsession. So I know that I think I heard this recently, like 30% of the people are just gonna love you no matter what you Do. Whether you're, you know, nice or jerk or whatever, they just see, like, your essence, and they're gonna love you no matter what. 30% of the people are not gonna love you. Like, even. Like, this has happened to me. Even if you say the right thing, do the right thing, mean well, dot your I's and cross your T's, they're just not gonna like you. And 30% don't give a fuck. So really, if 60% of the people, you're powerless over what they think, because they're going to just think about it anyway, like, why waste your energy on it?

A (8:09)

Yeah. But then it comes to. In our line of work, we have to build a brand, right?

B (8:13)

Right.

A (8:13)

So you have to be conscious of the brand that you're putting out there. And you do have to be, you know, aware of, like. But it's. It really comes down to that 30%, right? It's the 30% that you should be focused on, not the ones that aren't. And that's.

B (8:26)

That are gonna love you no matter what.

A (8:27)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (8:29)

Because we are in the service profession. We are, you know, thought leaders and coaches and spiritual entrepreneurs. So how can we serve the 30% that do love us and do follow us and want to hear from us? And sometimes, as a coach, there is a need for tough love. Because if somebody's giving me a lot of excuses on why they can't move forward, then I have to say, you know, I, as your coach, you're paying me to help you get results, and you're, you know, you're bullshitting yourself. So I just, you know, I think it's part of maturity to do it in a loving way. I used to be so harsh, Mike. Like, my very first sales job out of college, if somebody didn't buy, I was, like, literally, like, cussing them out. So I had a mentor, and she said, I want you to end every sentence with honey and sweetie because we need to soften up your edges. You're just abrasive.

A (9:28)

So that's from going to school in New Jersey, right?

B (9:32)

Well, I was exactly. I was in Manhattan working. Okay. And from the Midwest, ending every sentence with honey and sweetie. And it softened me up. So now I feel like I don't need to say honey and sweetie. I can deliver tough love in a way that is kind, and people feel that my intention is to help them.

A (9:53)

Yeah. So what did you do coming out of Princeton, or. Actually, first of all, what did you study at Princeton?

B (10:00)

Okay. At Princeton, I majored in English literature, and I minored in Italian language and culture. And I guess from your last name, you're Italian.

A (10:08)

Yep.

B (10:09)

And I minored in Italian language and culture because I wanted to get over my first love. And I thought if I did a semester, semester abroad in Italy, I would have enough space to, like, grieve the relationship. So it wasn't any for, like, deep academic reason for minoring in Italian. It was for romance to get over an ex boyfriend. So I graduated from Princeton. I wanted to be in the entertainment industry. I went to all the major networks in Manhattan. They're all like, well, you can work for free as an intern. And I was like, what? I just went to Princeton. I'm not working for free. So then I decided I was going to be in front of the camera. So I started taking acting classes. I was fired from two restaurants. I was just not doing too well. And I answered an ad in the classifieds of the Village Voice, and it literally said, circle me. And I was new on my spiritual path. I was like, everything is, oh, my God, it's a sign. So I see, circle me. I'm like, it's a sign. So basically, it was a network marketing company which is no longer in business, called Equinox, and it was selling, like, water filtration and nutritional supplements. And I did that business for five and half years. I lived in 15 different cities. And even though I didn't become a millionaire in it, I learned so many life skills and business skills that I still use to this day.

A (11:32)

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. You know, to get fired from restaurants. Interesting. What was the problem?

B (11:41)

I wasn't moving fast enough. It was like, New York is like, boom, boom, boom. I was not moving fast enough. I was talking to people, taking my time. I got so stressed out making a sandwich that I, like, cut my finger. I like. It was just too frenetic for me. I like going at a little bit of a slower pace.

A (12:00)

Yeah. I want to go back again for a second. Because you work in personal development, you help. You're helping a lot of people and empowering people. But what I found is a lot of us that are in the space, we. Something in childhood brought this up in us. Now, I don't know anything about your childhood, but what was it like growing up? Was there something that was the catalyst for this?

B (12:25)

For being in the coaching space?

A (12:26)

Yeah. Yeah.

B (12:29)

Well, my childhood was. My dad was a psychiatrist. My sister is a psychiatrist. My mom has a master's in social work. My other sister has a master's in social work, and my brother has a doctorate in psychology. So basically I was just too lazy to go to graduate school. No, I'm just kidding. But no, I, I've always just loved helping people. And I think going from Hollywood acting, which is I was on a few shows like friends, CSI 24, I had small roles on big shows and I left that because my dad said on his deathbed, the way you're living life is so different than most. I think you should write a book. And I wrote a book called how to Make a Six Figure Income Working Part Time. And in the book is where I outline the seven pillars of abundance. I started doing book launch parties and that naturally led to coaching. So I think it was an extension of the acting. And then I've always, I'm sober 22 years in AA, you know, God willing, one day at a time. A big part of that program, the 12th step is, you know, continue to practice these principles in all our affairs, which basically means being of service. So I think it was also part of that ethos of being of service.

A (13:48)

So I got to talk about the alcohol for a second because you brought that up now.

B (13:51)

Sure.

A (13:52)

I, I was in, you know, I didn't drink until I got to college or out of high school the summer after high school. And when I got to college I saw girls I hadn't seen before, I saw parties I hadn't seen before. And I was supposed to be playing college football and I just got sucked into it honestly and party, party my ass off. And then, you know, over the last few years I started realizing like, yeah, I don't really like the way it feels anymore and I don't like the next day. I don't like the anxiety feeling that I have, not the hangover because I didn't go that deep over the last few years with drinking, but I just didn't like the anxiety feeling. Right. I'd go to all inclusive resort with my family and you know, the drinks are there and all that and I'd have three or something and the next day I'd have anxiety and I'm like, you know, I should be back home working and all this stuff would come up and I'm like, this gotta be the alcohol. Cause I don't feel like this normally. So I stopped drinking. When was it? I guess about two and a half months prior to October. So sometime around August. That's just stopped because I was only doing one to three drinks a week, I just stopped. And two and a half months I didn't drink anything. Then I went to la. We had event I had one glass of wine and then the next day I had a little sake, but it was fine, whatever. And then I just, when I came back home, I stopped again. So it's been, it'll be three months here, coming up soon and I don't have any interest whatsoever. Like I don't have any urge. I, I, I started thinking about and I, this is, want to get your take on this because I want to hear your story in, in that. But I was getting more and more in alignment with God and reading the Bible, I've realized there's a communication line between me and God and I don't want that communication line getting fuzzy, staticky. I don't want any interruption or anything. I want clarity. And if you put an alcohol in your body, it's going to fuzzy up that line. And when I had that realization one day I'm like, there's no way, why would I do that? And for that reason alone, I just don't have any interest. It's like a whole change in the heart. So, thoughts on that? And then I want to hear your story with alcohol.

B (15:52)

Sure. Well, it does say in the 12 step literature that alcohol blocks out the sunlight of the spirit. And if you look at the word like wine and spirits, spirits, like it opens the veil to like a lot of negative spirits. Like so much suicide, homicide, fights, abuse happens with alcohol. So I really think that it does block out the light and it brings in the dark forces. It is a depressant. My story is I was drinking alcoholically as a teenager and I hit a bottom. When I was 19. I was at Princeton. I was with a bunch of overachievers. I went from being a big fish in a small pond in Cincinnati to a small fish in a big pond. And I was really into this guy. He didn't do what I wanted him to do. So I did this like fake suicide attempt. I played the cure and I wore all black and I took a bottle of Tylenol cold and flu medicine and thank God nothing happened to me. But the next day I was under like a 24 hour suicide watch and I had to meet with the school psychiatrist and he gave me a test, are you an alcoholic? And I passed that test. So he's like, can I have somebody from the program come in and talk to you and tell their story? And in walk this beautiful woman. She was everything that I wasn't. And I felt like I should be to be popular at that school. She was like a tall, blonde, southern belle and like descendant right off The Mayflower or whatever. And she invited me to a meeting. And I went to my first meeting, and it was in a beautiful gothic Ivy League building by candlelight. And I heard what the people were saying, and they were really sharing authentically from their heart. And they were verbalizing thoughts that I had always had. And I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. This is real. These are my people. And one of the reasons I drank alcoholically was I wanted to socialize, but I just would get so bored with small talk. And I hate being fake. That's why I love conversations like this. It's a real conversation. And I was like, these people are just being real, and these are the people that I want to hang out with. And that's when I started on the journey.

A (18:09)

Awesome. And then after that meeting, did you ever have any urges after that? Or did. Was it hard or. Yeah.

B (18:14)

Yeah. I didn't stay sober the whole time after that meeting, but I stayed sober for a few years. I worked all 12 steps. I. When I went to Italy to make, you know, the boyfriend jealous, that's when I relapsed. So then I stayed sober again, got like five years sober, and then I relapsed again. And Now I have 22 years. But I've been. Thank you. I've been on that path since 1990. It really accelerated my spiritual path, and it helped me develop a relationship with a higher power through this journal that I got. And I want to give it to your listeners because I met a woman at a meeting and. And she said, rebecca, this is how you write in a God journal. And she gave me these journal prompts that helped me turn my negative thinking to positive and help me see how God is working in my life and how God is working in other people's life and celebrating my wins. And I started writing in that, using these journal prompts every day since 1990, and I barely missed five days and, you know, 35 years.

A (19:17)

Oh, man, that's amazing. Well, how can I get that journal?

B (19:22)

Yeah, if you go to my link and I'll give it to you pillar, IO forward slash, RebeccaEwitman, you'll be able to get. It's called the Abundance Journal. And I guarantee if you write in it every day for 10 days, you'll have a miracle. You'll have a major shift in your life.

A (19:39)

Awesome. I love it. Well, you know, I'm glad that you've gotten to 22 years. Phenomenal. And by the way, it doesn't get easier, so it gets easier in a way. But there's something that happens I noticed is that alcohol obviously drowns things. It numbs things. But now when you don't have that, you have to experience the emotions. You have to experience the energy. And it's not always easy, you know, but easy is not what we should be focused on.

B (20:11)

It's not always easy. You know, I'm not a saint. I'm not an ascended master. I get so frustrated and mad, and I want things that I want. I want them five minutes ago. And I'm, you know, in my ego sometimes. And it's a daily discipline to go from my ego to surrendering to God's will. And I like to say that God loves me humble, and I don't always get what I want. So recently, so I played national level tennis. I played for Princeton one year, and then I hit that bottom with my alcoholism, got sober, and I didn't want to play ever again. I was like, nope, I don't want to ever hit a second serve again. This is too much pressure. I want to be spiritual and light and free and fun. So I recently picked it up last summer since I moved back to Cincinnati. And I get so stressed when I play, and I'm like, wait, where is this coming from? Like, I'm a spiritual coach. I'm sober. Like, I have a relationship with God. I. I get so nervous, and I'm really. I could just walk away and say I could just do spinning or Pilates. I don't need to, like, stress myself out and get this nervous because I really want to win, and it's a competitive league that I'm in of really good women. But I'm like, no, I. I really want to overcome my nerves and really work through this PTSD that I had as a junior tennis player and just do it for fun. So it's. It's really been a hard mental process because I get, like, so nervous every time I play that I get the runs, like. And I'm like, I'm determined to. To reframe it and just do it as a fun, passionate hobby.

A (21:57)

Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like me in golf, you know? No, I got good, and then, like, a three handicap, and then I stopped playing for two years, and then I went back, and I. I can't get back to that three. I just don't have the time to put in. So then I just. Like you're saying. I just said, hey, I'm just gonna go out here and try to hit some good shots, have some good holes, but if I have a bad Hole. It's not a big deal. Bad shot, Not a big deal. I'm just here as. As I am, and I'm trying to get better here or there, but, you know, I just didn't take it as serious, you know, because I used to get pissed if I had a bad shot, you know, and. Yeah, what's the point?

B (22:29)

That's where I'm at.

A (22:30)

Yeah, what's the point?

B (22:31)

How you weigh in sales? Like, if somebody said no to me, I would take it personally, and I would be so mad. And now I have my. My ego's out of my. My business and out of my sales. I'm like, if somebody says no, they're. They're not saying no to me. It's like, totally not a big deal. It's a numbers game. And when you think about sports, like, the number one player that ever lived, you know, Roger Federer, he only won 54% of the points that he played. Like, so even he, you know, lost 46% of the point. So it's just reframing it and learning to get your ego out of it.

A (23:10)

Yeah, for sure. What about the acting? So how come you didn't continue on that? Was it just because of the book or that, like, you were going in a different direction or what happened with that?

B (23:21)

I didn't really want to do. I was there. I was pursuing it, like, during the MeToo movement, and I had some chances, you know, on certain shows to maybe get a bigger role, but I wasn't really willing to sell my soul and sleep with the producer, the director. And so that was.

A (23:42)

That was. You were solicited? In a way, yeah. Oh, my gosh.

B (23:48)

Yeah. So I was like, I wasn't willing to kiss the ass of people that I didn't genuinely like and spend a lot of time with them and hopes that they would give me a role. So I was like, you know what? I'm gonna give it a long time, 20 years, and see how far I can go with it. And, you know, I just. I gave it my best shot, and I didn't sell my soul to do it. My integrity and my moral compass is intact. And, you know, now it's on for another chapter into coaching and podcasting, and this is the year that I really want to get into keynote speaking.

A (24:25)

Awesome. Well, so you think that the people, like most of them, that made it had sold their souls, you think? And. And. And there's a lot of people that. Because here's what I think. A lot of times when you get solicited, solicited like that they don't ever fulfill the promise that they give you. They're just trying to do what they want to do. Right. So I didn't know if that. Yeah, I didn't know if they actually do it and they actually fulfill.

B (24:48)

Well, I called someone out. I'm not going to say the show, but he's like, you know, if you sleep with me, I'll give you a speaking part on the show. And I was like, great, we'll do that after I do the speaking part to celebrate it.

A (25:03)

Yeah, that way you don't have to fulfill the promise.

B (25:06)

Exactly. And then I'll be like, oh, I can't. I have a headache. Or, you know, I'll let my dog out, or whatever. But on the day that I was supposed to get the speaking part, they wrote my character out. So for whatever reason, you know, it wasn't meant to be.

A (25:19)

Yeah, you know, I'm thinking about that, like, people that are like that. It's like, why don't you just build a relationship with the person and see if it goes there? Like, why would you want to do it when it doesn't even go, like, it doesn't even make sense in my head.

B (25:30)

But anyway, yeah, it's a crazy business, but I. I wanted to do it. Now I'm living. I mean, I can almost see it out the window. I'm living five minutes from my high school in Cincinnati, Ohio. I lived in LA for 24 years. I married this guy who was a. A list Hollywood agent. He convinced me to move home and I feel like I did a huge circle of, like, going to, you know, doing New York City, living in the 20 cities that I did for the Network Marketing LA. And now I'm like, I'm right back where I started, but my soul has changed, so it's all good.

A (26:08)

And how about your husband? What's he doing now?

B (26:11)

He started a business where he is matching celebrities to tech startup companies.

A (26:17)

Okay.

B (26:18)

Not just as the face of the company, but as an equity owner. So they actually have skin in the game. And Hollywood is falling apart right now. I mean, there's empty studios, empty offices. So it's actually really good timing because actors are looking for other ways to monetize their celebrity and make money. I mean, we've seen it with all the different tequilas and, you know, Ryan Reynolds doing T Mobile and, you know, different celebrities are not just the face of companies now. They're actually active equity owners.

A (26:48)

Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing. I love that pivot. Yeah. Netflix is Opening up a place in Jersey now, I saw.

B (26:56)

Really?

A (26:56)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My son wants to be in acting and writing and all that and I'm not going to, you know, piss on his dreams. I'm supporting him any way I can, but he's got to find his own journey and see, you know. See what, where it takes him. Nowadays, I don't know what's available. I, I don't know much. I just know people. So I introduce them to people, what have you, but we'll see where that goes. I just want him to chase his dream and, and provide the support for him while he's doing that, you know?

B (27:23)

Yeah. That's all you can do.

A (27:24)

Yeah. So. All right, so your content, you want to be getting out there on a speaker circuit and get more stages and what have you. So let's talk about what you're going to be talking about. Like, is it the seven pillars? Is that the feature or.

B (27:38)

Yeah, I like teaching people to overcome burnout and overwhelm by aligning their life in these seven key areas. So instead of just being a gym rat and not able to pay your bills or a workaholic and having a loveless marriage or, you know, just most people find one of these areas and they just get hyper focused and they let all the other areas of their life go. I teach people to achieve success through alignment, not the hustle and grind. And I divine. I define success as the amount of joy you feel, not the amount of money you have.

A (28:16)

Yeah, yeah, I love it. There's a lot of people dealing with it, man. I mean, when I was in a mortgage business, I was making millions and I, I, we had an eight figure business and I was, I would come home empty and I hated to go to work. And yes, I thought something was wrong with me. And I'm like, I was so conflicted, Rebecca. I thought everything had a successful business, 20 some year marriage, two healthy kids, nice house, and I'm like, what's wrong with me? Yeah, so this is, I went through it myself, you know, and so I'll share this with you and then I'll get your take on this. As we wind down here, I had to take a step back and find out who, who am I? What am I here for? And what I found out was, is that I wasn't playing a big enough game for what I was put here for. And that big enough game doesn't mean a certain hire, bigger business necessarily revenue number, but just a bigger game, more impact, more alignment. And when I started to peel back the layers and remember who I came here to be. Everything changed. And it created what I call an attraction model. And it just led me in the right direction. I was pulled in the right direction, but the right people and opportunities were pulling and coming to me. People were just popping out of nowhere. I had no idea where they came from. And so is that kind of what you take people through to really remember who? Because a lot of people talk about becoming something. Right. It's not really that you're just remembering who you are.

B (29:35)

Yeah. My nickname is the Magnetic Abundance Mentor.

A (29:40)

Love it.

B (29:41)

So it is exactly what you said. When you remember who you are, you step into your power, you reclaim your presence. People will be attracted to you. And I teach to attract clients through contribution, not desperation, not to chase or convince, but to be in your power. And I have a prototype that I teach. I teach a lot of women called. It's called an elegant warrior. So elegance is being in your feminine energy. Not convincing, not being, like, soft, but not being pushy and abrasive. Just knowing who you are. And then a warrior is. It's still okay. You. You want to have goals and dreams and take massive action, but you do it in a way that uses the law of magnetism, where you know who you are. You put out your content, you step into your power and your visibility. And the people who resonate with your message, they will be attracted to you.

A (30:43)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so many people are worried about what people think of me, like you said earlier, but not only that, it's. They're worried about the wrong people thinking about what they, you know, what they think or whatever, but they also watch their own stuff too much, and then.

B (30:59)

They critique themselves, and I never watch my own stuff. Can I tell you something crazy? I never even read my book. Like, I. I didn't read the second, third, or fourth draft. Like, I never watched myself act. Like, I feel like I channel. Like, I just. I ask God for direction, write a book, do a video, whatever, act, and then I just give it to the universe because I'm so hard on myself that I don't want to see my stuff. Honestly.

A (31:29)

Yeah, I. I rarely listen to the podcast. Matter of fact, I listened to an episode a couple months ago, and I hadn't listened to one in probably years. And I was like, wow, I've gotten good. No, but I. I. Well, thank you, but, I mean, I was, like, really appreciating how far I've come, and I don't think we do that enough.

B (31:47)

No, we don't.

A (31:48)

But I was just like, wow. You know, and. Because I remember when I was first starting and I was. Everybody starts. They're terrible when you first start, everybody.

B (31:54)

Right. I'll start at suck.

A (31:55)

Yeah. And good thing nobody's listening when you first start. But I do remember when I wrote my book and I started speaking Clubhouse or on stages and this and that, and people were coming to me and I didn't think I did that good, you know, and they would be like, man, that really impacted me. I could really relate to you. Can I take a picture with you? And all these things. I was just like, what the heck? This is weird. But it is. I was just being authentic.

B (32:17)

And that's why I did to you on Clubhouse.

A (32:20)

Yeah. Authentic and leaning into it unapologetically. And it is. Let the chips fall where they may.

B (32:26)

That is one of my favorite phrases is actually on my website, helping people to be unapologetically authentic.

A (32:33)

Yeah.

B (32:33)

That is the goal.

A (32:34)

Yeah. Because it's. It really vibrates at a high frequency. I mean, that's.

B (32:39)

People think love is the highest vibration. They've actually done, like, recent calibration studies and authenticity is the highest vibration.

A (32:49)

Yeah. Well, I love this and we're going to look forward to hearing you more, whether it's on podcasts or on stages, what have you. But I'm excited for you, what you have in front of you, even though you've accomplished a lot already. But I'm more excited for the people that are going to be impacted by you. Rebecca. So thanks for coming on the show today. Where can. Again, you want to tell people where they can go deeper with you?

B (33:10)

Yes. Thanks, Mike. You can go to my website, Rebecca. R E B E C C A Whitman WH-I T M A N DOT com. You can also find my link in bio on Instagram to get the Abundance Journal, which you're going to absolutely love. And there's all kinds of, like, events that I do, freebies, I do slumber parties, luxury wellness retreats, workshops, master classes. There's all kinds of fun stuff going on all the time. I love to entertain people, throw events, keep people inspired and learning. So there's lots of stuff going on all the time. So follow me on Instagram. RebeccaEwitman. Go to the Pillar link and you'll see all the cool events I have coming up.

A (33:56)

Awesome. Thank you so much for your time today and thank you for being authentic.

B (34:01)

Thank you for having me. It was a great conversation. I appreciate you, Mike.

A (34:04)

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