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What Are You Made Of?
Never Perfect, Never Alone: Psychology, Faith, and Hope Through Life’s Struggles with Dr. Beth Capecchi
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Welcome back to that one studio on the Woody made of show. It's your boy C. Rock here. I'm here with Dr. Beth and she is going to share what she's made of today. We're going to get into it. Dr. Beth, thank you so much for joining us.
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B
Thanks for having me.
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A
My pleasure. Yeah, so let's get going, man. You know, look, we, we have a little technical difficulties to get started and I got to figure out a way to make it easier for people, so I take responsibility for that.
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B
By the way, I think the problem is on my end, but thank you anyway.
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A
Yeah, it's all right. I always look to see what I could do better, so. But let's start the show the right way and ask you, what are you made of?
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B
Well, so as a psychologist, I had to get a little over analytical about this and I was kind of thinking, oh, this question is kind of like messing with my mind. And then I'm like, actually, it's intriguing because it reminds me of what we call in psychology a projective test, which is, if you've ever heard of the Rorschach inkblot test, it's like this ambiguous stimuli and it's a weird picture that you can't tell what it is. And then they show you a series of these pictures and you say, one person thinks it's a butterfly, one person thinks it's a pelvis. And so it's like depending on your own subconscious, you project your idea of what something looks like. And in my experience here, I was like, what does he mean by what are you made of? And I'm sure you intentionally made it kind of cryptic and vague. And so that was good and it generated a lot of thoughts. So I hope that you and the listeners will like some of my thoughts about what this means, because I think these are really good introspective questions that we should all ask ourselves is kind of like, why are we here? Who are we? What is our purpose? You know, what are my strengths and weaknesses? Even a little, you know, more sobering is like, what would you want written on your tombstone or in your obituary? What do you want to be remembered for? What is your calling? What are your passions? So I, you know, was just thinking about all this, and so my answer flows out of that idea, kind of like, what defines you? And, and I love to say, as you know, I have a podcast called never perfect Dr. Beth. I also have a podcast called Never Perfect Faith, and that one's newer, it's only a year and a half old. But one of my favorite things to say is that I believe everyone is gifted, has special talents, special gifts, but we also have weaknesses or even disabilities. I have adhd. And so that's actually technically part of my podcast title is technically Never Perfect with an ADHD Psychologist. But I think that people's calling and who they are is a God given package of strengths and weaknesses that we need to embrace and just be at peace with the downside of our personalities and the struggles. So anyway, that's kind of the philosophical part. So the concrete descriptors of what I'm made of or who I am, I'm a middle aged woman, I'm a Christian, I'm a wife, a mother of three teenagers, a psychologist and a podcast host. So there's the concrete answer. The more philosophical answer is I think life is very hard, but it is also very beautiful. And I'm an imperfect human struggling along with everybody else. I almost called my podcast Struggling through my husband was like, that sounds kind of negative. And then I thought in the, in it Together. And I really just want people to know they're not alone. They don't have to pretend, they don't have to put up a facade. You know, why would I want people to think I'm perfect when I'm not? And so I've always loved the verse that says something to the degree of always be ready to give a reason for the hope that you have. And I have a lot of hope in the psychological principles and tools, but I also get my greatest hope from my spiritual faith and the hope of just, you know, not ever feeling like I have to be perfect or can be perfect and just being at peace with all that. So I can say more.
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A
But no, that's great. It's a great answer and I like how you had the concrete answer and a philosophy philosophical answer. I'm a deep person, so I like to go deep with things and I, and I appreciate that. So one thing I noticed, and I'll just bring this up, do you, what do you, what are your thoughts, especially with your background and expertise, what are your thoughts about. If you say something is hard, like you said, life is hard, that sets the table for you to experience things in life and you have this lens or this projection, just like the inkblot test of, of things being hard versus changing it. Your, your. I would call it a, I would call it a belief, I would call it a maybe just postulate that life isn't that hard or life is pretty easy and then experience those things after what Are your thoughts on that?
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B
Oh yeah, I love that question. You know, I feel like so much of life is kind of like a both. And I mean it. In this world we will have trouble. You know, we are strangers and aliens in this world. That sounds kind of weird, but you probably recognize these verses that, you know, I just think that we, our souls may be long for perfection and in a way maybe they know what perfection should look like. But life can be really disappointed. Yeah. Disappointing. For someone who I'm a little bit idealistic. I'm not perfectionistic, but I think that I'm always. Well, I can't say always. I often expect things to be better than they are. Like, oh, this vacation to the beach or this Thanksgiving week is gonna be so wonderful and so special and everything's gonna go smoothly. And you know, it just feels like so often I'm disappointed in myself. Like I thought I'd be a better mother, you know, I thought, I'm not saying I'm not a good mother, but no parent is ever perfect and we all make mistakes. And so I, I guess just the struggling through the realities of life, the pain of what's happening in the world, but there is so much beauty and so much to be thankful for and grateful for. So I do agree with your point. Like we don't want to have this self fulfilling prophecy of life is hard, life stinks, you know.
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Yeah.
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B
Where we have a negative, you know, outlook.
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Yeah. And I say this because as an 8 year old kid, a young kid, I started observing the people around me. I came from a lot of brokenness and I started observing the family members that had depression and anxiety and they were on medication for it and sometimes overdosing or over prescribed and having these things happen and alcoholism. And they would say why they were like this all the time to me as a kid. They would kind of speak this to me, like, this is why I'm like this. And my parents were alcoholics or my parents got a divorce filter and this is why I'm like this. And then I would say as a kid, because I didn't have a filter, you know, I'm just kind of being observant and stating what I'm saying. I'd say, wait a minute, do you realize you're just basically causing, creating your future with this story? Why don't you just change the story? And they would, they wouldn't like to hear that. People don't like to hear that when they're going through and they're not ready to hear the message.
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B
Right, right.
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At that age, I didn't really care because I just made. It was so obvious to me. And I'm like, yeah, why don't you just switch it up and, and create? So that's why I asked that question. Because, you know, and another thing is I, I. And I'd love to get your takes on things that I've come up with in my own mind. Right. Because of your expertise. And I wrote this book called Rocket Fuel Convert. Setbacks Become Unstoppable. And with this book, I started to realize things that, you know, with intention, you direct your attention. And I just started saying to, to myself, like, this is what's going to happen and this is the direction I'm going to go and move into it. And then I would turn into a little bit of a freak when adversity would happen in a freak, in a good way. Because I was like, I say freak because most people flip out. They get sick to their stomach, they get dropping. You know, I started being thinking to myself, wow, oh, this is amazing. Because I know when I'm going through this, if I keep going, it gets bright and something amazing happens after this. But you just got to keep going. So I started thinking that way. And so when life is hard, quote unquote, that was, oh, wait a minute. This is an opportunity. Right?
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Right.
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And so being hyper aware of those things, and then when that thing comes, it's not necessarily a disappointment. It's like, okay, wait a minute, maybe God has a different plan for me. I don't know the how that he has for me, but if I've surrendered, I, I got to go with it. And I know something on the other side. He's got a plan. He's undefeated. He, he, he defeated the cross.
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B
Yeah.
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And so who am I not to suffer? Who am I not to have these moments where I need to learn something? So that's just my take. What is your thought? What are your thoughts?
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Well, that's so helpful and I totally agree. I mean, just being prepared that, you know, suffering develops perseverance and maturity and wisdom and knowing that, you know, God has a good plan and he will get us through that when that kind of really difficult thing or medium difficult. I joke a lot when I'm really stressed. I'll be like, this is a first world problem. But I am really stressed out about it. But, you know, just knowing that we will get through it and there's good that will come out of it and it will make us into stronger people. I mean, the old saying that which doesn't kill us, makes us stronger, but how strategic God is, and he knows what we need and it's going to help us. And just that faith of believing, like, it's going to work out and I'm going to be okay.
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Yeah, yeah. And, and I can't come up with things and then not go back to the Bible to try to find something that, that speaks into that. Right. And so James 1 talks about this, actually James 2 in the Bible. Consider pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces what you said, perseverance. And let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. Now, I want that. So why, why wouldn't I consider it pure joy when, when these things happen? And so, yeah, so this is a great topic and I'm glad you brought this up because I want a lot of people to hear this, that you, you can't be stopped by something that happens until you're plucked from this planet. But you can't be stopped if, if, if you just keep going.
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Right.
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So, yeah.
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Yes. I love to hear people that say this. And, you know, it's amazing how often I can hear wisdom coming out of, or even children, but I've had teenagers that will tell me just heartbreaking stories and hard lives. Like you mentioned, you had some real difficulty in your childhood. And sometimes they'll say, as hard as it was, I would never give it up because of who I've become and what I've learned and who I am now. And I'm like, wow, like, they could be saying, oh, it's not fair, the grass is greener. Their life is so much easier. And it is. So many people's lives are much easier than sleep. Some of these stories I hear. But to be thankful and to have that faith that it is going to work out for good and, you know, even when you think of examples of working out, you know, or the struggle to finish a huge project or, you know, no pain, no gain, you know, we think about that with workouts and, you know, just building something very difficult. But the, what we learn through it and gain from it is incredible.
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Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing you mentioned about parenting, right, and you being a better parent, I, I think about that too. And I, you know, I compare myself sometimes just to see where, where what I, what the model was for me. Right. And you know, I, I didn't have a good model necessarily in some fashions, but there were some Port parts of my childhood, my mother was very loving and spoke. Spoke into me. But, you know, I look at the things for me, like, I was really hard on my kids, especially my son when he was younger, wasn't as understanding or empathetic as I should have been. And I could sit there and grind on that. Right. But on the other hand, my son won't say, my dad was an alcoholic, he beat me, he was abusive. But he might say, man, my dad was hard on me. And that could be the adversity that he had to deal with, that a dad didn't. Wasn't as empathetic as he could have been. And that made. Made him into something that he wouldn't have been. So I kind of got to try to look at what could come from it. Right.
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So I love that, you know. Yeah. And it's so great that you can admit that. You're really modeling what I was talking about earlier, where I feel like we can be vulnerable and admit our struggle. Like, I don't feel like I can't tell clients or pot, you know, on my podcast, talk about struggles in my own marriage or struggles in my own parenting or getting really deflated when my kids seem to be pushing me away. They're teenagers, you know, I think it's great to share our mistakes. And it kind of goes back to that package deal of strengths and weaknesses. Like, these are parts of my parenting that I'm really proud of, that I feel good about, and these are things I really regret or wish I could have worked. Worked on, but you just can't do it all. And it's not a matter if we're going to mess up. It's how. But I do think apologizing to our children is one of the greatest gifts we can give them. It's just, again, modeling that humility and that vulnerability and asking, you know, please forgive me, or, you know, just, I tried. I messed up in these ways, and. And just kind of being at peace with, like, yeah, we do need to take ownership for our mistakes, but also say, hey, I know I did some things right, and I'm happy about those. Got to take the good with the bad.
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Yeah. Yeah. Well, thank you for engaging with me in that conversation. All right, so I know a lot of people that come on the show, and whatever they're doing now, they got into it because they figured something out when they were younger, and then they were like, oh, I want to be so. So, for example, a psychologist, maybe you around people that have mental health issues when you're younger. I don't know. But is that the case? How did you end up a psychologist?
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Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of anxiety in my family, and I think adhd. Kind of an interesting side note, how often people may get diagnosed with anxiety or depression, but the root cause might actually be adhd. And that's the core issue that could lower anxiety and depression. So it's sometimes hard, like the chicken or the egg, but my mom had a lot of anxiety and some depression, and there's definitely a high component of that. One of my kids has been diagnosed with anxiety. I think ADHD runs all through the family, and it's another package deal of strengths and weaknesses. I mean, if I could trade in my adhd, I wouldn't do it. Like, I really like. Oh, and for those who don't know, that's attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. You don't have to have the hyperactivity. You do have to kind of have inattention and kind of trouble focusing to get the ADD diagnosis. But that can confuse people when they see, is it ADD or adhd? You could call it either one. But some people just don't have the fidgety, restless, trouble waiting in lines, hyper part. And I actually do. Like, I'm trying not to play with my hair today, but I'm a big, like, hair, so. But yeah, we. We definitely. I mean, there's some alcoholism on my dad's side of the family. And, you know, and I often say that most of us have some sort of addiction, whether it's to food or technology or work or alcohol or pornography or anything. But. So, yeah, just. And. And this is a neat spiritual thing that I love talking about with my, you know, the Christian lens is. I heard one time that humans are created to worship. And so we want to worship things, but we often worship things that aren't. They're created things like we, you know, but not the Creator, you know, so we can, like, worship art, but the. The person who made the art is the person to be celebrated or admired. Not exactly just the art, you know, and so if God is the giver of all good things, then worshiping him, he's the ultimate giver of those gifts.
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Yeah, yeah, that's. That's huge. You know, what you worship becomes your God with a little. Little G, you know?
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Yes, yes.
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So. So then also not. I am really entrenched into the biohacking longevity space, the movement now, the Make America Healthy Again movement. Not politicized, but just the idea of like, let's, let's get everybody focused on what they can do in their bodies to create the best versions of themselves and, and create a longer, healthier life. So, and I'm around some of the top experts in the world of these things and there's a lot of studies now with adhd, ADD and the, the effects that ultra processed food has on it. Have you dove into that at all as a psychologist? Like, or like, is that something that comes up?
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Yeah, yeah, I'd probably give myself like a 6 or 7 out of 10 on that. Pretty interested in like holistic stuff and trying to get people to look at, you know, you may not really truly have a mental health issue if you were exercising and eating better and you had better sleep and a better sense of community and purpose and all that stuff. That's on my episode called Life Changing Habits. But yes, I've had episodes on nutrition and you know, holistic wellness doctors and things like that. A lifestyle medicine doctor. So yeah, I'm huge into that.
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Yeah.
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Drinking plenty of water and limiting toxic substances. I can't remember your initial part of that question, but yes, I'm like, oh.
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Yeah, that was it, that was it. And basically, you know, so many people run to the, to the drugs, to the pharmaceuticals.
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Yeah.
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And you know, as a kid witnessing my grandmother being over prescribed for these medications ended up overdosing and dying. What we believe was intentional. I just have a, you know, particular interest in this and understanding that sometimes doctors are trying to move patients through and then it's just the easiest, quickest thing. Instead of having them do the basic foundational things, they just don't trust that they're going to do it and then they just prescribe medication to them. And I, I don't, I just, I just, it just hurts my heart to think about that, you know?
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Yes, yes.
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So total. Because there's other answers.
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Yeah, it's really a hard one. And my husband and I argue, not argue, debate about this sometimes because he can be a little bit more judging than I can about this. He'll go like, why would these people just jump to taking a prescription when they could do this or that or take this supplement or that supplement. And I've told him, I've said not everybody has the either focus or motivation or energy to make a protein smoothie or a superfood smoothie smoothie or you know, make like if you can't get yourself to exercise or eat better, then sometimes you need a medication to give you that boost, like getting your Car battery started. But ideally, I do really, really encourage people to try what they can control. I like to rate, have them rate, like these six things from my Life Changing Habits podcast, which are, how would you rate your friendship, like social support? How would you rate your sleep? How would you rate your nutrition? How would you rate your exercise? And then I say sense of purpose or productivity and downtime. Downtime and relaxation. I'm sure, you know, lots of workaholics, like, if your body's in overdrive all the time working, you're not going to feel your best and like you said, kind of be your best self. So I'll ask them to rate those six things, and my acronym for it is spins, like spending time or spending money. And then I'll say rate them. And at the end of that, we'll average them out and say, if Your average is 5 out of 10 on those six components, what's your mood on a 1 to 10 scale? And often, most of the time, their mood is very close to those six things. So it's a neat way to look at, like, maybe I should try these things before. But again, if someone is so depressed or so anxious, they just can't get out of that mode, I do think that, you know, pharmaceuticals or natural versions of those things can be like ashwagandha and, you know, some of these mushrooms or, you know, things like that can be really good.
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Yeah. Yeah. So I guess. And you, you one thing, you could add it in there in that list. It was not like just motivation all the other, but willpower. Right. We got to get them to have the willpower, you know, because when you're not thinking right, your. Your willpower is not there to. Have you heard of Doc Amen?
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Oh, is it Daniel? Yeah, yeah, the ADD specialist.
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Yeah, he's. He's. Yeah. And he does brain scans and sees where there's problems and activity in the brain. Lack of activity in the brain. And he was on. Yes, he was on Tucker Carlson's podcast the other day, and I just listened to it. It was really interesting. And he was talking about, you know, when we have criminals, the criminals necessarily, they're not. Their brain is so messed up. And then we put these criminals and we. They're monsters, this and that, this whole societal viewpoint of them. And then we throw them in a jail and how's that going to make them better versus looking at their brains and seeing what. Where their problem is and then rehabilitating them?
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Yes. I love neurofeedback, and I'm sure That what Daniel Amen is doing is, you know, a little bit different. Maybe more the MRIs or the functional MRIs or something. I don't know, huge amount. But I do think neurofeedback is fascinating. Just look at what parts of your brain are kind of underactive and what's overactive and kind of retraining like neuroplasticity and helping different parts to communicate better and get that network healthier. So, yeah, I love that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, I'm like real deep into it, intrigued by it. Another guy who's in our community and a client of ours, Dr. Patrick Porter, he's created Braintap and it's a headset that you can actually listen to a meditation and has lights and frequencies and it's amazing what it's doing for dementia and Alzheimer's and add, adhd, all that. So there's a lot of great things out there that I'm learning about. But. All right, so your journey though, when you were a kid, you're around some, some brokenness, right. And how did that impact you personally? Going through that and growing up in that?
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You know, I would say there's, you know, a lot of good has come out of it. Like we were talking before, in fact, I was just talking to a couple friends the other day after yoga class about how I've always just been more friendly and confident because my brothers were more shy. And so one of the friends I was having coffee with was kind of like I was bullied a little bit and I had some low self esteem as a kid and it's been a long journey of getting over that. And she's like nearly about 60. And I said, well, you know, I. Because my brothers were shy, I tended to just think I need to be friendly because most people I'm around are going to be either a little shy or insecure or they're going to need me to say hello first. So I don't wait for people to say hi. Generally I'm just like, I'm gonna say hi to you, you know. But I also probably worried too much about other people's how they're doing. And this is. There's some really neat literature that's worth looking into called the highly sensitive person, a woman named Elaine Aaron, it's a R O N came up with this idea. It's like a very sensitive nervous system. But some of the questions related to that are other people's moods affect me or, you know, I can get overwhelmed if there's too much going on. Or I'm deeply by music. Like I get so emotional at church, especially if the song is good. Like literally. This is silly, but sometimes I'm like praying for a song that I don't like that much because I don't really want to cry. That.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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My kids know the other day I broke down crying a little bit, Talking to my 19 year old son and he goes, dad, turn off that music. I'm sure it's not helping mom with her emotions right now, but so, but anyway, people's. I'm probably almost too attuned to other people and how they're feeling.
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Yeah.
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Yes, yes. My. My 18 year old daughter told my gynecologist, OB GYN friend that I'm a crippling empath. And I was like, I've never heard you say that. But anyway, it is kind of like it can be almost debilitating at times, like worrying about, you know, does that person feel left out or they look sad or you know, I got to include them and sometimes it's over the top.
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Yeah. And how do you regulate that with your patients? Like, you know, they, their patients bring all their emotions. But you know, I have core values that I go by and one of my core values, the very first ones, vibes, matter and emotions are contagious. And you know, I understand how quantum works and the energy works. And so if, especially if you're an empath and you're a receiver of energy more than other people, how do you regulate that with patients and then not bringing that home?
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B
Yeah, you know, I think most of the time it helps. This is where my ADD does help me because I'm kind of like wherever I am, I'm kind of like so focused on the atmosphere and the environment where I am. I'm sort of like out of sight, out of mind, so. And there are rare cases where I'm really concerned about somebody's well being and safety that it's hard for me to leave that at work. But generally I'm just present where I am. And that really does help me in this line of work. But you know, and even what you and I were talking about earlier is that, you know, these struggles can really produce good fruit. And I sometimes try to remember, like for people that are lonely or they desperately want to get married or find a relationship, I just, my heart hurts for them so much. But I'm like, you know, I've had several people recently that had really hard breakups and they were more connected to God than they had ever been in Their whole lives.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Two. Two or three in particular. Yeah.
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Yeah. That's amazing. You know, I think we focus a lot of times on things we don't have and forget about the things we do have and we don't spend enough time in gratitude because. And I know that's a catchphrase, gratitude this, but it is, it's powerful. Like, you know, I don't like, I don't like being lonely. I don't think anybody. Some people like it. I guess there are some people that like to be alone. But, but for the types of persons that we are, I, I don't, I don't like to be. I don't like to be alone. I like to connect with people, be around people. And I'm very blessed that I was. I've been married 22 years now, and my wife loves spending time with me. I love spending time with her, the kids too. And, but, but then I, you know, and I want my vision of my business and my impact to be a certain thing when it's not going as fast as I want it to or where I want it to go or whatever the case is, sometimes I focus too much on that and I have to bring myself back to. Wait a minute. Look how blessed my life is.
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Yes.
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Because it changes your perspective. And 100. Yeah, we forget in the holiday season, there's a lot of people that like, aren't, you know, like, oh, gosh, I got to go to this, this work party, this work Chris. My wife's work Christmas, or I got to go to the my in laws house. And some people, I'm not like that. But some people are. But, but they forget that some people are by themselves. They don't have those places to go.
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Yes. You know, that's such a great point. It's funny, I just told my 9 o' clock client this morning, morning. I said, you know, you need to acknowledge all the difficult, hard, hard things. She just had a very close family member die. And, but she was talking about trying to remember the good. And I said, yeah, I mean, that'll really help you. And it's funny because I had this client I've worked with for about four or five years, love, love, love working with her. And the last time I saw her, I said, you know, it sounds like it might help you to focus on all the things that you're thankful for. And you know, they talk about gratitude journals and how good those are. She texted me that was probably in March, I would guess. She texted me maybe two weeks later. And Said that gratitude journal idea helped me so much, and I haven't met with her since. Wow.
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It's just something like that. Yeah.
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Yeah. I love meeting with her, but she is like, I think just really remembering. These are the parts of my life that I'm really thankful for. It just helped. And I don't think people need to ignore the difficult.
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Yeah.
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In fact, I even have an episode called are you more positive or negative? Or something like that. And I was just kind of saying the importance of being honest about what's hard in your life, but recognizing and being thankful for the good.
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Yeah. That's amazing. Well, look, as we wrap up here, where can people go deeper with you, Dr. Beth?
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So if they want to hear my podcast, they can either find it online and the website is just neverperfect.org they can google never perfect Dr. Beth for my mental health podcast and then Never Perfect Faith for my Christian podcast. Like I said, that one's newer. It's only been around a year and a half. The other one's almost five years old. If they want to find me as a psychologist, my. My office website, it's hilariously outdated and I keep trying to get it worked on. It's in and haven't done it, but that kind of stuff, not fun for me. So I procrastinate classic ADHD, but it's grounded counseling or grounded.org this terrible. I don't even know what the weather. But anyway, Grounded counseling in Chattanooga, Tennessee. The website is something like that.
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Okay.
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So. But yeah, that's. That's basically it.
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Amazing. Well, thank you so much for your time today. I appreciate you and the vulnerability that you shared with us. Thank you.
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B
Well, thank you. I loved it. So nice to meet you.
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