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by Grainger for the ones who get it done. Hello everybody. I'm the American Nightmare. Welcome to what do youo Want to Talk About Today? Incredibly special guest. I wanted this guest for a very long time. I am so excited. A Hall of Famer inducted in 2005, the man with the bullhorn, all the amazing jackets, the Mouth of the south, the founding member of the Gentries, the one and only. Please welcome to what do you want to talk about? A fanatics and WWE original production, the Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart.
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Thank you, Cody. This is awesome, man. Thanks for inviting me here. This is co.
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I wish the energy that you have and the passion, you just exude it. You live it, you look it, you believe it is your style for how you approach this, how you do interviews, how you've done everything you've done. This is maybe a strange question to jump off with, but is it from Memphis? Is it from. Is it from the upbringing? Is there someone who you looked at that was maybe Jimmy Hart before Jimmy Hart?
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Well, you know what? I was raised by a single parent. My mom raised me, you know, just us two by ourselves. And so it was kind of crazy back then, but I realized back then if I'm going to do anything in life, whatever it might be, I'm going to have to do it myself. You know, I didn't have a rich mother, a rich father, anybody else to fall back on. So that's the way it really started. Back then. We just, we had to. We had to make it ourselves. She worked two jobs. When I got through playing football, I played. Believe it or not, I played ball in high school. Wing back at Treadwell High School, same school Jerry Lawler went to. But when everybody else would go home to a good old hot meal, I went right to pick pack grocery store. 35 cents an hour back then. Ho ho, can you believe that? But I do my little sack groceries and stuff. And then finally I worked my way up to stock boy. Then that was 40 cents an hour. And then finally the bottle boy, 50 cents an hour. So it turned out great. Everything turned out beautiful.
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Oh my gosh, did it turn out beautiful. You, you talk about Jerry Lawler, you talk about Memphis Continental and territory wise. I'm curious as far as Florida territory, Verne's territory, Shire, California, Bosch, Texas, up in the northeast in terms of Memphis and just that in the south, what do you think you guys were the best at?
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Well, you know what? I had a chance to visit Florida for a while, which was great, and also go to Vernon's territory for a little bit and a couple of other places, but I don't know, it's just. Something special happened in Memphis before I got into the wrestling business down there. I started watching it, of course, with Jerry the King Lawler and all them. And one of my favorites, a guy named Sputney Monroe. I love Sputney Monroe. Something about Sputnik was so cool and so great. And when I would go to the Coliseum, well, really auditorium back then, I'd go out front, I'd sell programs. I'd be out front of the door and they'd come out, pick you, you, you, you, and I'd sell programs or popcorn, whatever they wanted me to do. And I'd always hustle as much as I could because I knew that night I got to watch the main event because they'd come and check up all the money before that. And that's when I got to see Sputnik Monroe and Billy Wicks in that main event for that Cadillac week after week after week. And I just loved it. It was just something about it that I loved. So finally, when Jerry Lawler gave me a chance to join the company down there, I just said, you know, I'm going to make this work, whatever, whatever it takes. And it just turned out to be great. But I think a lot of things that we had, we got to do our own interviews. Lawler drove me crazy because when I was there, I'd have three or four matches, I'd have to do on each Saturday morning live tv. But he'd wait till the last minute to tell me what he would like to happen, right? And I'd go, king, please. I said, oh, you are. You're doodling around in there drawing pict. It's 30 minutes before we start. He goes, jimmy, give me about 10 minutes till. I went, 10 minutes till. But the reason he did that, because he wanted me to really think hard and be my best. If I'd have planned too much for it. Sometimes you plan too much on anything, it doesn't turn out the way you want it to turn out. So I think that was one of the things that we had just spontaneous stuff that we were able to do.
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Sputnik Monroe.
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Oh, yeah. Wow.
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I think you might be the first person to mention him on the podcast. What was it about him? What was it?
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Well, it was just something about him. His interviews, you know, when he would talk to you, you really believed everything that he said. You really believed that's what was going to happen on that particular Monday night, or whoever he was fighting. And I'm going to tell you something too, what Sputney was really known for later on, which we found out back in that day. Of course, back in our. Earlier for us too, we didn't have guaranteed contracts. Everything was on a percentage, what you did off the door. And he was one of the ones that. We had a great African American fan base down there, but they only had a small section they could sit in at the old Coliseum back. The auditorium back then for them, Coliseum later. So they only had X amount of seats where they could really go. So Sputney got with the guys and he goes, look, this is crazy. We're half full. You know, downstairs we've got another five or six hundred people, African American standing out front wanting to come in. They've only got X amount of seats for them. We, we need to make sure that they let everybody in that wants to buy a ticket and come in. He got that change really quick. He got with all the boys and they got with the promoter down there at the time and just said, look, this is what we want. And they went with it. It made a lot of sense. And so he was really responsible for that back in the day.
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That is absolutely wild. And I, I know that was the, the, the situation, but hey, good, good on him.
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He did great. He really did.
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Good on him. I mentioned it in the introduction and I mean, I could go on and on and on, but something I knew about you very early on because my dad told me when I'd watch. So if I watched you on TV or when I got to see you up close and personal at wcw, he always talked about the Gentries. And I feel like anytime we talk about Jimmy Harden wrestling, I feel like not enough people talk about the Gentries and your musical roots and what you did, because it leans into the amount of music you provided for wrestling. I feel like. Tell me about the Gentry.
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Well, we were in high school, Treadwell High School. Jerry Lauder was, of course, one of my roommates. Roommates or whatever you want to call it, back in the day. Back in the day. Schoolmates. And so what he did, he went into artwork, and I went into wrestling, of course, and we went into music, of course. But what happened is our first group of gentries, what we had. We were in high school, we did a show called Ted Mack's Original Amateur Hour. We won a talent contest in Memphis, and we got to go to Miami beach to do. Which is kind of like American Bandstand, our America's Got Talent now, our American Idol. But that was back in the day. So we won the talent contest in Memphis, and we got to take a train from Jackson, Tennessee, all the way to Miami Beach, Florida. And that's where we met Ted Mack. And so they had all different. They had a juggler there, a contest for him. They had all kind of singers and stuff. But we played a song called do youo Love Me Live. Nobody'd seen that on TV before for that type audience. So the votes came in a month later, and they go, guess what? You guys won. We go back to Miami again. Same train, same way we go down. We won twice. The third time, we got disqualified because we'd already signed a record contract with a guy named Chip Smallman. Chip Smallman was a friend of a guy named George Klein, who was the best friends of Elvis Presley, okay? And so George Klein had a show called Talent Party that was in Memphis at the time, which was like American Bandstand, which was like American Idol. So we got on that show and we cut a song called Sometimes. And the other side was called Keep On Dancing. And all of a sudden, back then, when you got a record played, the kids in your school could vote for that. And so every week we had the number one record. So MGM Records came in and said, well, look, it might be a freak deal because they have all the votes for here because they're from here. Let's put this record out in Nashville and in Chattanooga, Tennessee, of all places, but it did real well there. So that gave us our record deal on MGM Records. And then after that, the rest was history, man. We just took off from there on the weekends. We'd go to school during the week, and on the weekends, the MGM would. They would spend the money to fly us out to do American Bandstand with Dick Clark or Hullabaloo or Shindig or Where the Action Is. And we did a lot of those gigs, like with Steppenwolf and Chicago and the Beach Boys. I loved playing with the Beach Boys. So the weekends would go, then we'd come back on Monday and go back to school. And this was all happening. So a lot of people say, if Jimmy Hart's lips are moving, he's lying. But I got a lot of posters in my stories to prove it. But that's how it really clicked. And it just took off from there. So we had four Gentry albums off one hit single. How'd that happen? I really don't know. And then after that, we jumped to the sun label, which. Talking about your dad, every time I saw your dad, he'd always go, jimmy, sing Keep On Dancing for me. And I said, come on, Dusty, don't make no. I can't start this show. You sing Keep On Dancing. I'm going, okay, I'll sing Keep on Dancing. So I did little, you know, little part of that. And I'd always. He'd always call me to go pick him up at the airport sometimes when he was up doing the TNA stuff later on, and I'd go pick him up, and he'd go, if this was Hulk Hogan, he said, why wouldn't you come pick me up in the Cadillac? I said, dusty, I pick you up in my Kia because you're the common man. And if people see me picking you up in a limit, he goes, jimmy Hart, you got me again, baby. You got me again.
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Just the short snippet of what you told me just now about your musical career. How many years was that? The Gentry's and those MGM and those four records? How many years was that?
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From 1965? All the 65, 66 to almost 1979. But we did all those tours, and I had different members, of course, that came and went. And then when we jumped over the sun label, we kind of had a rejuvenation of the Gentry. We had a hit record, top 40 record, called Cinnamon Girl, written by Neil Young and back with our original Gentry. I'd met Neil Young when he was in a group called the Buffalo Springfield. When we played the Whiskey a Go Go for two weeks. And we were out there with the Buffalo Springfield. They were our warm up group. And we were the main event, I guess you could call it back then. But I still have posters of that too. Believe it or not, some of the Doors would come to see us each week. The Birds would come to see us on our breaks. I'd go next door to the Rainbow Room. Little Richard be playing there and the Turtles would be playing at the Rainbow Room down the street. And so it was just a great era back in the day.
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I believe it. And the fact that it all happened in such a short span of time compared to what you're going to then do next in the wrestling space. What a life. What a. And I feel like wrestling fans, I just hope they look at what all you just said. The amount of hustle and go get them and successful four albums. Mgm. This is a. I didn't even know. I just. The old man would say the gentries he'd talk about. Because this is what I'm thinking in terms of you come into wrestling and you are very responsible for some of the best ever wrestling themes. Or as you'll hear a lot of people outside of it say, what's the walkout song? Whatever it is. Who was the first person to want to merge those worlds, your musical talents and your wrestling love?
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Well, Jerry Lawler down in Memphis, he said, look, you got carte blanche, let's do some music videos. So he let me do music videos. And. And of course back then we didn't have a lot of money and a budget, right? So like I would take, say like Eddie Gilbert when we did his song Hot Stuff, which was a song already out. But I borrowed my friend that at Treadwell High School, I borrowed his Corvette, put him in that. A friend of mine had a place called Chelsea Limited down there, had all clothes from Europe. So we'd go in, we'd put him in an outfit, come out the door, film a little bit, go back in, change, come out the door. We did that over and over. And so we did all that on the motorcycle. I had another team called the Dirty White Boys. We only had one motorcycle. So I hooked that on the back of a truck with a hearthill and we came over one side, we let one guy ride across the bridge with it. And then we'd go back, put the other guy on it, right across the bridge. And so we had him, one guy pointing to the right, one guy pointing to the left. So it looked like they were riding together, you know. Coming in on that. But that's the way we had to make it back then, you know, no budget, so we just did everything we could. But Jerry let me do a lot of crazy stuff back then. Songs like we hate school and Lance Russell's nose, All the big ones, if you're from Memphis. And so we just had fun doing it. So when I got to New York, Vince let me do a lot of the musical stuff up here, you know, and so, by the way, sexy boy. But Shawn Michaels, which he still uses. Thank you. Shawn has over 24 million hits on Spotify, if you check it out.
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So would that be your favorite one that you did that you worked on?
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Well, I love that one because Sean did it. The songs that we. Jimmy Johnson did great songs up here, but I tried to fix mine where they. Some of the guys were able to really participate in them and maybe sang them, too. Like the Rougeau brothers, you know, the big Line. We don't like heavy metal. We don't like rock and roll. All we like to listen to is Barry Manilow and would laugh and go, why'd you say Barry Manilow? And I said, well, if we just said Led Zeppelin, people would have loved him, you know? And so you had to make them kind of quirky, too, along with it. But we had so much fun. All the honky tonk man's hits, you know, a hunk, a honk, a honky love you, ain't nothing but a honky dog, baby. And all the big ones, right? And so. And so we just. We had so much fun doing them. And then when I first came up to do WrestleMania 1, which I was lucky to be on that, but I was so excited. I met Dave Wolf, who was Cyndi Lauper's manager. And so he said, we're cutting a wrestling album. Have you got a song for it? I said, well, I got one called eat your heart out Rick Springfield. He heard it. He goes, I love it. Let's do it. So it just all kind of fell into place.
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This is something I've thought about wrestling music for a long time, but you are by far the expert. So I'm going to ask your opinion on this. Is wrestling songs, the entrance, the. The music? I think the answer is not always having the best song, but having the most catchy song.
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Yes. Yes.
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Okay, that's. And I feel your tunes because they're Sexy boy. What else? Give me the catalog of what you did. There's Sexy boy.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Road Warriors. We did the Road warriors up there because they couldn't use the one by the rock group that. They had it out. And so Metallica or whoever had that. And so then we had Road Warriors, Snukas, Repo man, of course, the Heart foundation theme. And we had. Oh, Ted DiBiase, the million dollar Money. Money, money, money.
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Yes.
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And what I did on his, I just took the words that he would do, you know, use for promo. I chopped them up and I said, look, Ted, you just read these words. I'm gonna show you when to come in for them and do them. So we put the thing together and he did it, like, in his own voice. So it turned out good for him, you know, so we did that. I got a list of. You kind of caught me off guard here, but did you do Dusty's? Yeah, we did all your dad's. Oh, my God. But I gotta tell you, here's a quick story. This is so funny. With him, Dusty goes, hey, I just talked to Vince and he said, you can Write me a song. I said, okay, what do you want in it? He goes, okay, I had my list. He goes, okay, I want a cowbell. I went, cowbell. He goes, give me some. Soul sister singing from Memphis. I said, soul sister singing from Memphis. He goes, give me some horns, those Memphis horns, okay? The Memphis horn. I said, damn, Dusty, why don't you just ride it yourself? He went, ho, ho. So we did it, but we got that cowbell in the front of it, man. I had those girls in the front going, he's American dream. Boom, boom, boom. He's just a common man, you know. They were rocking out. We had the horns in there. Bam, bam, you know? And so I couldn't wait to play it for him because I always loved him, man. And so he listened to it. He goes. And I'm going, oh, man, this don't look good. This is not good. I said, this ain't going to be good. I know it. He came out and he goes, not only. I don't like. I love it. He said, I love. Made me feel so good because, you know, I always loved him, man. And that was so great. When he did that. We did American Made for Hulk, because when we left New York and went to wcw, we couldn't use real Americans. So we did American Made for him.
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And I got a question about that.
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Okay.
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Okay. I have been on record. It's gonna. Not everyone loves this, but I have on record said that I have preferred American Made over real American.
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Oh, oh, don't get heat on me, please.
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I. I don't know. And I. I remember there's. I was in Japan one time. I sang the whole thing y' all did.
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We got the tape. Yo, you.
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You and me and Matt, Nick, everybody was out there working in Japan at the time. We were all singing because we were about American Made. There was a whole discussion. Guy named Scorpio Sky. It was a whole discussion on what was better. I'm. I remember you got this.
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You did. You sent it to me. I showed it to Hulk. He goes, oh, my God, this is great. Yeah.
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We knew the whole. We were at a train station singing the whole song.
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Yeah. Because Hulk loved you. Hulk goes. He goes, dusty Rhodes sent that to you. And I said, dust, yes, I got it. I said. I said, you know, I said, cody sent it to me. And I just said. I was so excited to get that. You know. Matter of fact, we still have that. We sure do.
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Well, which one is better? Which one's better?
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Well, here's what it is for the People like real American. It's better for them. For the people like American daily. It's better for them. Hey, look, let me just tell you something. Here's what I've learned. I ain't no Democrat. I ain't no Republican. All I am is just a jabroni. And that's just the way it is.
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Oh, man.
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That's all I am. That's all I'll ever be. But same thing on that, you know, whoever likes what they like, let them
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like it well, too. It speaks to your experience when. When you're watching. So I was so excited when Hulk came to WCW for what it meant for WCW for what that meant. He was going to be across from Sting. He was going to see all these guys I've liked and. And we'll have that huge star that was out there in the world is now part of wcw. So his music, all of it. I was. I was into it, actually into every. I think a pretty good track record for the Hulkster in terms of all the musical choices he made from Real American. And then all the way when we did the, you know, Hendrix, which is never on anything you watch anymore. It's. I assume that costs a lot of
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money or whatever, too much money.
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But all good. All good choices in terms of. I'm looking because we. There's multiple megaphones throughout this room. And your jackets, which have become signature to you. No one doing it like you. Who did you enjoy most? I feel like I know the answer, but you got to really manage, and you're part of this era of managers that we all wish we could have back. Who did you enjoy most managing?
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Well, a quick story. The reason I did my jackets like that is because the first time we did American Bandstand with Dick Clark and all the tourists with Dick Clark, Our first tour was with the Beach Boys with Dick Clark. And he said, everybody into a room, Cody. And he said, look, when you're on that stage, you might not feel good sometimes. You might not feel like you want to go out there. He said, but you got to remember one thing. Your dress. Your dress is so important because if you dress like the audience, one day you're going to wind up sitting in the audience meeting, give the people their money's worth. When they say they don't want to see somebody dressed like them, they want to see somebody different. And that's why I kept that up. So in wwe, Vince let me dress the way I wanted to dress. I'd always show my jacket. Jimmy, whatever you want to do.
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You do it.
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I went, okay. You know, he's the one that brought me the megaphone. Hunky and I were sitting in Poughkeepsie, New York, getting ready to go out for a match on live tv, and he said, this is gonna be yours. He came back from Japan with it, and I said, can I paint it? He goes, whatever you want to do with it, just don't overuse it. Yes, sir. Thank you. And so I'm glad he didn't bring me a piano to carry around with me. Thank you. Defense. So. So I had that. And so that's how I've used it, too. But the jackets, I wanted to be different. I wanted to be special. Didn't want to be gaudy. But I realized this when you have so many people. I had 23 different people that I managed up in New York during that whole length of time.
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23?
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Yeah, 23 different ones. But here's why everybody was so important. If I was with Earthquake and Typhoon, I didn't want to wear a Honky Tonk jacket out while they were doing that, right? So. And I realized that I've got to make a jacket for everybody that I'm going to manage. I've got to make them feel special, feel important. Because I'd have never got this hall of Fame if it wasn't for all the guys that I was able to go to the ring with. Let me tell you that. They were the Cadillac. I was the hood ornament on the Cadillac. That was it. But they were so important to me, everybody. So that's why I was able to create all the jackets. If it was honky, you know, Honky doing the Elvis gimmick, and I'd wear the Colonel Parker outfit. I'd wear the Jimmy Hart musical note stuff, you know, and if it was with the Rouge Ohs that had the Florida Leafs and stuff, or Dino Bravo or Earthquake and Typhoon, or if I was with Terry and Dory Funk when I managed them, I'd have the kind of buckskin stuff. So I just made sure that everybody was special.
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You're talking about Honky Tonk, man. I got Honky is. So I've. So I have a bunch of honky Tonk stories, but I. This is something that I was thinking about before you came on. And I was really. I've told you this story before, but it was a really, really important moment for me. Learning wise was Miami WrestleMania is there. And they sent. You know how it goes around mania time, talent relations. They got a list of names. Someone on the roster, one of our luminaries, one of our legends. We need people going. They're going to this TV station. Me and you went, I think 6:00am first shift. So we were there, and something was bothering me. I was in. Just because you were talking about how you feel on stage, something was bothering me. Maybe I didn't like what Big show and I were going to do at Mania. Or maybe I was just struggling in the beginning. I was kind of struggling on how do I continue to climb the ladder. All those questions.
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Right, right.
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And you were just quiet, and you were sitting next to me. And she opened up the news feed again. It was first thing in the morning, and I thought she was gonna go to me, but she swung over to you, and you had the program for WrestleMania, and you had your thumb on my page, and you flipped it open and you said, I'm here with this young man right here. He's wrestling for the intercontinental title. This is what we should be talking about. You just want to. Went into this whole promo highlighting me. And then you said, and we're opening up seats. And it was just such a wonderful, genuine, authentic sales pitch. And I remember thinking, I felt like such a jerk. I felt like such. Because that was, again, that hall of Fame ring. That was the difference, right? Is when it was time. You were. You were the most professional. And it was a great moment. I remember going later, I told Brandy, I told whoever I was talking to that day. I said, I learned something today. I might not be loving this or unhappy with this, but this is what I'm paid to do. And this is a pretty lucky job to have in terms of where I was at. And, man, you just. It changed me. I still think about this to this day in terms of you went there to sell tickets for WrestleMania. And the way you highlighted me and having the program ready never said anything was so. So just cool. This is just. Thank you. It was a special moment.
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Well, you know, I love you for saying that, but you know what? Just in your lifetime, you see certain. Certain people that you just know are gonna do great. And I just always felt that about you. You know, it's like when Hulk, when we went to WCW and your dad and everything else, he'd always tell your dad, he'd say, you know, Dusty, of course, you know what he said? I stole a little bit from Dusty Rhodes. I stole a little bit from Superstar Graham. You know, Hulk would always admit that. You know, and he just said he. Because he loved watching the way your dad would take care of The. And it's the same thing with you too, you know, the way you are now. You know, when I see all the kids with all the merchandise, you know, when I see all the kids, I don't care what you do in life. I mean, you can do. You can have the best music, you can have the best outfits, you can have everything you want. But if the people wearing that outfit are coming out to that music, doesn't have that special thing inside, you know, with your look, you've got such a different look, you know, and it's just something there. And, you know, when I'm out all the time, you'll be surprised. Well, I know you're not because you see them too. But I. When I go out sometimes and do autographs or do stuff for WWE or whatever, I always like to watch who's wearing the merchandise. Of course, you know, I always watch the merchandise. Who's got this on, who's got that on? And that way it kind of helps me who I think might be over, you know, certain towns, different people might be over more than other towns.
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B
Sure.
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A
But at WrestleMania, I watched the merchandise at WrestleMania and I remember your stuff is always. And I'm not saying it cause you're here, but your stuff's always. The kids love you, man. And the adults too, but. But I saw one girl there and she was so excited and I just said, I know you come to see because she had one of your jackets. I guess they sell Yalls jackets now. You're full replica jackets. Yeah. So it was great. But she had that and she said that's why I came to see. Because I always ask them, who'd you come to see? Even though they have a shirt on with them. But I remember her saying that and everything. But I always watch that. So what makes you over selling merchandise tickets in the arenas, you know what I mean? And so like I said, when they called me to do this, I said, I'm really going to be with the champ. Are you kidding me? This is great.
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B
Oh, this is.
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A
I'm excited. No, this is awesome, man.
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B
I was so excited for you to come on here. Talking about just the amount you lived with music alone and also something I feel like this is wwe. It's the home of sports entertainment.
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A
Right.
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B
This is taking it back. But you're right there, right around the time that Andy Kaufman hits the scene. And I'm thinking, is that the first or the most significant moment where. Because now I'm coming off of multiple WrestleManias where there's been celebrities and outside, and we merge the worlds and we want to merge the audience. Right, but is that the first time sports and pro wrestling was sports entertainment? Is that the first moment or. It was such a big thing and so unique.
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A
Well, you know what was so cool about it? I think Vince Sr. Was going to
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B
use
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A
Andy, but didn't do it for whatever reason, because he didn't want to die because people talked to him about it. The story I got and that Bill after was telling me this, and so they tried to get him up in New York. And so he didn't want to do it. He said, ah, the entertainment thing, whatever. So, man, we jumped on it. He called us. I was at Lawler's kitchen back then. Not a big office, right? We were in the kitchen. Lawler was trying to book and do the program. And I was sitting there trying to help him with it. And so Bill called and he goes, look, got this guy, Andy Coppin, comedian. Yeah, from Taxi. He was still on Taxi at the time. He loves wrestling. He's doing this intergender thing with these girls and stuff. Lauderdale said, man, we'll take him. Bring him on down. We don't have the money to fly him in. No, he's going to fly himself in. He said, well, we don't know what. We could pay him what he wants. He goes, he'll do it for nothing. We went, oh, that's right down our alley. Fly himself in, doing for nothing.
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B
We're in there.
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A
Jimmy picked him up at the airport. Okay, baby, I will. So he came down and the rest was history. But he loved the business, you know, he'd stay at my house some. I got to manage him off and on, too, after Lauder had the program with him, because what would happen, he, you know. You know how the wrestling business worked. You know, if you stay on one thing too long, you know, it ain't good, you know. And so he would be outside doing his comedian thing too much, and people are here on Monday night, are going, well, we gotta go to work tomorrow morning, so let's get him in the ring. And he didn't want that to happen. So I started managing him so I could say, okay, that's good enough. Let's get in the ring and do what we gotta do. But Andy would stay at my house some, you know, when he passed away, he still had all of his checks. He never cashed any of his Memphis checks. I don't know, because they were so bad or he just didn't want to cash. No, I'm just Kidding. They were good. But he still had them in his drawer. He sure did. I just donated to a company up here one of his pair of his sunglasses. I gave it to Ben Brown. One of a pair of his sunglasses that we bought it. He loved Elvis at the time. After we did the matches on Monday night, he'd always go, I'd have to take him by Elvis's house back in the day before it really got commercialized. And we'd sit across the street for at least 30 minutes. And he goes, you know, Jimmy, I know Elvis is not dead. He's going to come out of that gate tonight. He'll have a disguise on, but I'll know him. And I'm going, andy, please. It ain't going to happen, brother. No, I'm going to do it. And I say, look, I've got to drive all the way to Louisville, Kentucky tomorrow. Almost 400 miles. So I'd stay for 30 minutes and then get him back to a hotel. But he was great. He loved this business.
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B
Man, I thought a lot about Andy and that connection you had and being there, and he loved it. And you fast forward from then to now. I gave you two examples. I don't know if you've rubbed shoulders with them or chatted them up, but have you spoken with Little Yachty or Jelly Roll at all?
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A
You know what? I saw Little Yachty, and I saw him at WrestleMania after the match with him. And I told him, I said, man, I love the gimmick y' all got going on. People still use gimmick. I don't know if you say that anymore. It might be old school fair, okay? But I said, y' all work so good and everything else. Well, thanks for saying. I said, great. And Jelly Roll, I haven't really had a time to say anything to him.
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B
You know, he's right up your alley in a sense of the wrestler's dream. Loves this. Wants to be here.
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A
Oh, that's awesome.
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B
Wants to advance it to the point where sometimes we're not used to that. And Jelly, just very much classic, you would have seen and go, one of the boys. One of the boys. If there was a battle royal, he could be in it. You know, he was one of the boys. But that's. I'm. I'm glad it was like that with Andy and all the stories you hear about it.
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A
It's great. He loved it.
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B
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A
No, I haven't seen any. We spent seven months doing it. I know everybody for Netflix did a tremendous job on it. But I know it's getting over because in the airport, when I go through the airport now, I mean, people would recognize you off and on. But now it's more than ever, people. Coming up, Jimmy, I'm so sorry for your loss. And I say, but, you know, I tell the same thing. I said, number one, hook's in a better place right now. No more pain, no more suffering, no more having to look at the Internet over Gaga Goo Goo, you know, And I just said, so he's happy.
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B
I like that. Gaga Goo Goo. That's everything right now. Yeah, I like that.
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A
But that's true. And they said, man, we loved it. We loved it so much. We learned. And I said, well, thank you. I said, the guys did so much. And of course, when Hulk passed away, we had to go ahead and put another ending on it. So, you know, it took a little bit longer than what they wanted, but the company just did tremendous on it. So I was so happy over. Hulk would be happy over that. You know, I'm.
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B
I'm going to reveal something on this show that is gonna. There's gonna be a lot of interviews that people look back on and go, oh, I have trouble watching anything internal.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
Is because I grew up in it. Yeah, sometimes you can smell the work. Sometimes I don't want to know. I grew up in this. Show me the. What's on screen.
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A
Right.
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B
I don't wanna. So there's been a lot of interviews where I've had to navigate. What'd you think of the Iron Claw? What'd you think of the wrestler? Even with unreal at first, which Unreal and I have finally come to this really great place together. But even unreal, I'm always like, it's great. I have some pre readied answer because I want wrestling to always be seen in the best light. But I really struggle when someone else documents the inside of what we do because it's going to be a little bit their version. With that said, this Hogan doc, anyone who's come on my bus in the last few weeks has been annoyed it's on.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
Repeat.
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A
God, he would love that.
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B
It's on repeat. And I find something new in it each time. I find something new in it each time that I just didn't know or I didn't think of or my gosh, didn't realize the magnitude of it. But there is a fun question in the Goo Goo Gaga land of online that is circulating and I don't know if you have been asked this question, but one of the revelations of this documentary is you have the nicest house.
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A
Thank you.
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B
I'm so glad you brought me one.
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A
Hold up. And.
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B
And I came up with theories. I said, it's the music money, it's the. I. I came up with the. I said, yeah, that makes sense. Jimmy Hart, baby. Like that house.
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A
Look, I hate to bust the barber. Let me tell you what happened. Here's a real story. I'm so glad you asked me that. I was hoping you would ask me that. I didn't. I never said it was mine. I didn't say it. I didn't say anything. That's.
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B
It's yours if you're in it.
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A
You know, a multimillionaire friend of mine by the name of Ben Mala has that house. He bought it for some baseball player for $29 million or whatever. Played for Philadelphia. Can't even think of his name. Here's what happened. About six years ago, he said he met with me and Huck and he said, look, I want to have a Hogan's beach over here, right on the water over here. He said, I think we can draw three or four thousand people. We thought, what every week? We said, okay. He goes for the only thing about it now. He said, if that's the case, he said, I'd like Jimmy to manage it. I went, oh my gosh, here I go again. You know, this Is it? He said, you can still go out and do your wrestling stuff, because I was still doing, you know that. Okay. Because I love that. So what happened? We went over there, and so my house, because I had a nice place down in Tampa, because. Let's play. You made a little bit of money. WWE is great. I love wwe.
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B
Oh, yeah.
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A
And made a little money off the music, too. But my wife has dementia, so finally we had to put her in a home, which she is now still hanging in, God bless her soul. And so my kids all grew up, you know, and left. My daughter had passed away six months, about six years ago. And so I have my two sons, but they live there. So nobody was in the house but me. And I'm going, what am I doing here? He said, look, sell your house, because he does all the real estate. He said, we'll help you sell it. Just come over here and live at the hotel. We'll give you a good room over there, but that way you're there 247 running the place. So I did that. So it turned out to be great. So I stayed there for the whole two years. Because what he does, he gets them going, then he wants to sell them. That's what he does with everything. So it turned out to be awesome. So then he sold it. So he said, well, look, Jimmy, now I bought another hotel up in Daytona. I want to put a bar in up there for you. We put all your memorabilia up there. And I thought, well, it's a way to get everything, you know, framed and stuff, so why not? But I was still able to go do my wrestling. So we went dead end. I didn't know how rough Daytona. I had to get a gun permit. The last thing I wanted to do is shoot anybody, including myself. So I had to get a gun permit. And I'm going, oh, my gosh. It was like the wild, wild West. So finally, finally, finally he sold it. So then he said. I said. He said, what are you doing? I said, well, I've got to try to find me a place now. He goes, no. He said, you're living over here. I said, no, I don't want to live in here. He goes, no, Jimmy, I've got this whole side over here. This place is so big. It's got a little miniature golf course there. It's got a bowling alley. It's got a pool that's got a remote to it that goes around there. And you're on the beach, right? And I said, well, look, I don't go on the beach. I'm not going to play miniature golf. I sure don't bowl. And I don't want to go swimming with a chlorine because when I dye my hair once a month, I don't want it to fade off, you know, have the chlorine. I do that. So I said, but I'll take you up on it. So that's where I have. I have that whole side. It's got the guarded gate, but everybody, the whole video, everybody goes, man, I love your house. And I went, wait a minute. I spend more time going, it's not mine. It's my friend's house. But I do live there. But it's not mine. So I'm glad you brought that out. Thank you so much.
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B
It's wrestling, so we've seen you in it. It's your house.
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A
I love you. It's wrestling.
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B
We've seen.
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A
Oh, man.
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B
Also, the fact that you brought up a gun permit for Daytona. Your clothes, definitely. I feel like I could see you carrying something under one of those jackets from time to time. You know what I'm saying? Like, you may not. And also from. From the days of your heel work, you were around some very riotous crowds, right?
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A
It was a great time. But you know what it was like? It was like a. It was like a badge of acceptance. I loved it when we had beer thrown on us. I didn't complain or get mad. I loved that when we had people, you know, I got shot one time in Louisville. Everybody has in the rump with a dart gun. A guy made a homemade dart, went, phew. Hit me, right? What bothered me the most.
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B
Hold on, hold on. Just for context. A man in Louisville took a dart gun, blow style.
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A
He got a cheap little straw from Wendy's or McDonald's or whatever. Made up, made a home at little. Took a little needle, like threading needle, put it in there, put a little thing on it and went as I was coming up because they had me draped over and he shot you in the ass. Handsome Jimmy, right? Handsome Jimmy shoulder. It was a six man tag. It was like Jerry Lawler, Jerry Jarrett and Dylan D against me. The Dream Machine and Handsome Jimmy Valley. And I'm leaning over the back, they're carrying me out. Of course I got beat, right? So I'm leaning over the back and all of a sudden I'm going, oh, God. And I thought, man, I hope nobody burnt my tights because we didn't make a lot of money back then.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So I got back and I went, oh, I hope my tights aren't burnt. They go, no, look. They went, whoa. And I went, what is it? They go, look, it's a dark. I went, oh, my God. Then. And Ms. Jarrett ran that. She goes, you've got to go get a technic shot. I went, what? You got to go get a technic shot. I went, oh, my God. I said, it's going to take my whole payoff to go get a technic shot, you know? But I went and got a techni shot. I didn't have anything, thank goodness. But that's what happened. But I went, oh, my gosh. I couldn't believe. But you know what? I don't really get mad about it because we get the people upset over it, and then we get mad because they get upset. Well, it didn't make any sense, right?
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B
I don't know if you remember, but my dad had that splotch is what it's often called. He had that mark.
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A
Oh, yes.
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B
He. I've just heard fans call it the splotch. I asked what it was. This is a mark on his stomach. And he told me a fan stabbed him. Oh, it's a birthmark.
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A
Yeah. Yeah, that's what. That's what he told me. He told me it's going.
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B
It's a birthmark. But I remember thinking like, dang, you were. It was when him and Dick were together, I thought you were. That there was that much heat and people would come. That guy came to shoot you in the butt with a boat like that. He came for that. That's how angry you had gotten him.
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A
You know, we want them to come in and have a great time, and sometimes they. They have too great of a time, but that's okay. You know, it is what it is.
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B
You said something on the Hogan doc that I really. Again, I've been. I've just so. I. It's the. It opened up a whole new world for me. I. I started watching stuff that I had put on the back burner, and I lied about watching. Just. I got to see how this is how we're represented, how we're seen. But you said something about the fans, because you were talking about WrestleMania 18, and you said something about how the fans can change and for. They can change your trajectory, your fate, that they have that much power, that they. In any night, they might go a different way, or they might accept something and cling to something and love something, or they might hate it. I think one of the reasons I was so excited about you being on the pod, and maybe it's Being from the south, maybe it's just the way you were raised, but you love wrestling fans. And you said something else. I mean, this doc, is. You're full of insight, including the. Put on that seatbelt. I don't know if you recall saying, hey, it's gonna be a bumpy road. Put on that seatbelt.
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A
I don't remember saying anything.
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B
Oh, my gosh, no. It's a prime example of the full journey. There's some real highs here. There's some. This is in every wrestling, you know, good wrestling career. You're up, you're down.
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A
Oh, great.
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B
All the things. Have you. Is there ever been a time and I don't know, maybe it's a hard question to answer. Has there ever been a time, Jimmy, where you weren't feeling this? Where you weren't at the level of excitement and all joy that you always bring to what you do?
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A
A quick story. I'll try to make this short and sweet. The reason I love wrestling so much is my uncle JB that lived in Jackson, Mississippi, when I was about 10 years old. Every summer, my mother would let me go with my uncle down to Jackson, Mississippi, and his family. And that's when I first saw the wrestling in Jackson, Mississippi. And every year I got to spend two weeks down there. And I loved his house and everything. He was great in business and everything. Had a construction service, but on Tuesday or Wednesday night, we got to go watch wrestling. And I fell in love with it. I'd always loved it. Just always loved it. And from that day on and back, even when I was in tour with Dick Clark with the Beach Boys or Chicago, who we were with, when I'd go to the major cities, if we were in Atlanta, I'd watch Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair. Dusty Rhodes and Ric Flair and those guys down there. Then we'd go to Carolinas, and I'd turn the TV on Saturday mornings, you know, because on the weekends we played and I'd turn the TV on and watch whatever superstars were there. Same thing in Minnesota, same things in Texas, the funks, everywhere. But I still always loved it, even when I was in music. So when I had the chance with Lawler, when he called me to ask me to help him cut a wrestling album, we got in with that. And then all of a sudden it just fell into place where I started doing the music and doing the wrestling. And then the one day came when he said, look, he said, we love you, man. He said, jerry Jarrett said, why don't you ditch this music for a While you can always go back and manage me, I've got an angle for you to do on Monday night. And buddy, he didn't tell me anything. Monday night, commencement, South Coliseum. He said, when I raised my hand, I want you to throw me this chain. I went, okay. So I'm sitting there with Lance Russell at ringside, and he go, raise the hand. I see it. He didn't tell me to lob it where people could see it. I threw it like a baseball, man. And look, and it went right by him. But this is a rope. And it goes wrapped around the rope. It looked like he just reached back and got it, knocked dundee out. Bam. 1, 2, 3. It was like perfect. He goes, man, that was great. And I went, I don't know what I was even doing. The next week I'm on tv, can't wrestle a lick. But I watched it my whole life. So Lauderdale goes, we're going to have a match between you and a guy named Pat Hutchinson. So Dundee comes out and goes, jimmy Hart, you big sissy, you're a music guy, Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I challenge you to a match with Pat Hutchinson on Monday night. And I said, pat's been wrestling three years, right? I go there Monday night. Now the law dresses me like a clown. He gives me his robe that's three feet too long. I was dragging. He said, what size shoes you wear? I said, eight and a half. He gives ten and a half boot to wear. I mean, his boots, candy striped boot. He gets one of those Tarzan outfits. The flap keeps falling down. I can't even move. It keeps falling down. I'm going to pull it back up. I mean, you know, so I get to the ring, we do the match. When the match was over, the little gaga goo goo. We get back and Jerry Jarrett wasn't there, but he saw the film and he said, it looks like Jimmy Hart had been wrestling for three years. Because I loved it so much. You know, a quick story. You know, I really never left up to you to go to wcw. What happened? I, we. We did a thing where they switched me, Baby face. I guess it's okay to say that, I'm sure. Oh, yeah, I said it already. I hope you know, I don't want to do anything wrong. Please. I'm on scholarship up here in wwe, so I love it. So, so, so, so what happened? So we do the thing where they, they got me. I was managing Brutus and Hulk at WrestleMania 9 against the team I turned on. I gotta be the worst manager in the world. Look I had the Heart Foundation. We had championship titles, Money, Inc. What did I do? I leave them to join the Nasty Boys. So I give a screw job to the Heart foundation to give the Boys belts to the Nasty Boys. So, I mean, title. Excuse me. Can't say Bell. Title.
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B
You can say it.
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A
So I give the title to the Nasty Boys, and so now then I turn on them to give the titles to Money Incorporated. So worst manager. I can't. I don't know who I want to be with, man. But I did all this stuff, so. So I'm managing Huck and Brutus against Money, Inc. Right? So we do that match. So now we come back. So now we have one more match in Medicinal Garden. Huck's fixing to leave to go do Thunder in Paradise. So he goes, man, I want you to come with me. And I said, well, I love that. He goes, if you come with me, if you don't like it, you can go back. So he said, go talk to Vince. So I went and talked to Vince up in Madison Square Garden, the room he met with me. And I said, look, Vince, I said, I've managed 23 or 24 different people here, and I've loved it. But right now, you've got me with Hulk and them, and they're leaving, so what am I going to do? He goes, don't worry. He goes, man, I got to do this. And I said, well, look, what I'd like to do is take a little time off if I can, and go do Thunder in Paradise with him. He goes, if you want. How many times have you heard this? If you want to come back, you can, right? But he didn't say I could, but he said, if you want to come back, Jimmy, you've been great for us. We love you, and so you can do it. So I left to go do that with them. And so with. With Hulk down Thunder in Paradise. So I did it. So really, I never left the territory, you know, but while we were down there, after we're down there for six months, it's when Eric and Ric Flair came through and said, huck, are you going back up there? I don't know if I am or not. Well, let's go down. But I'm going to take Jimmy with me. He goes, yeah, he can do music for us and manage. So that's how it all really worked out. So I really never left here. In my mind.
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B
You've always been here, right?
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A
I've always been. I've always loved it, though. You know,
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B
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A
Well, you know, everything changes, though. Like, I know I've changed a lot too. I look at things a lot different than maybe some of the people my age and I've been around this long in the wrestling business. They look at things, but they go, I don't like that. I don't like this. I still love the product. Yeah. You know, and I still watch NXT on Tuesday. You know, I watched Raw on Monday. I watched smackdown. I love it all. It's like, you know, people threw some at me, said, who you like from nxt? And I said, I loved Ethan Page and I love. If that's his last name. I love Him. And I love Ricky Saints and I loved Sol Ruka. You know, Sol Ruka reminds me of Charlotte Flair meets Javon Evans, you know, with her acrobatic ability and his acrobatic ability, everything else. And somebody told me that, said, what would you do with Sami Zayn? Because I rode with Sami Zayn in the. In the van.
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B
Imagine that car ride.
- [52:01]
A
I know, but listen. I know, but. But trust me. And so we were talking everything else, and. And I knew he was going against Trick and, you know, let's try, you know, look, when you got the outfits, Tricks got. And you got the music and you got the manager and you got everything you got, people are going to love you. You know that? I do, too. And I didn't say it to Sammy, but I wanted to say, you know, Sammy, when you make a change, you got to change that look. I wanted to say, dye your hair black. That's a change. Cut your beard different black. That's a change. Do a different outfit. Because sometimes you can't just keep the same look and be the same, you know, people, you know. But I didn't want to say that because, you know, he'd probably stretch me. So I said, I'm keeping my mouth shut, but sometimes you have to really do that. But the business now, everything changes, and it's going to change, and you just kind of got to roll with it. But I just think that if I was doing something, I always, look who's doing merchandise. You know, what are the ratings for these segments? I'm sure they do it anyhow, and you look and see what's happening. So sometimes you keep doing something so long, like with Hulk and the nwo. So what happened with us before we changed on it, we'd look at Merchant Hook, and I was. Because we were talking about maybe could have changed. And I said, well, look at merchandise sales. We looked at that. We saw that was dipping a little bit. Then we looked at certain house shows, how much you were drawing the house shows back then when we were doing them, and that was dropping a little bit when he was on top. And I just said, you know the old saying, if you do what you've always done, you're going to have what you've always had. So sometimes it might be time to change. And so then. But I said, but here's the thing. And then when they had. And I said, but look, here's what's good about this, Hulk, if we do this, I said, look who's coming over. Two guys. Red Hot Scott Hall. And Kevin Nash. So you're gonna have two bookends with you that are so good and so bigger than life that you've never really had that before, you know? And so it just. It was just magic. It was just magic that happened on that type thing. And so sometimes things. And I'm not saying it's gonna work with everybody.
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B
Yeah.
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A
You know, but I always look at everything on doing. If I. If I had a wrestling school, I never will because I can't wrestle, but. But if I had one, I'd get somebody that could talk first, had charisma first and had a look. And then I'm going to train them. I'm not going to train them and then go, damn, they can't talk. What am I doing out here doing this? Well, what can we do with him? Well, let's put him in a mask and make him a Goo Goo Gaga.
- [54:18]
B
I want to actually take. If. With your permission, I think we need to take three things and put them in the. What do you want to talk about? Vernacular. Because they've blown me away. Goo Goo Gaga feels very interchangeable and usable in the best wrestling parlance in the way. So we want that word. If we can use that with your permission on the show. I think we also, you're. You're the first person and maybe the last who's still saying the wrestling. And I love that. I love. I'm gonna. We would like that. And then the quote, which was the quote, I. So this is my favorite thing about. What do you want to talk about? Is Craig, who produces a show, puts this whole sheet together of these questions that I should ask in history and bios that Ben Brown sets this whole warehouse up. The history of the business running through here, everyone who loves it comes. There's a gallery of people who are sitting here watching us right now. But I'm not a podcaster. My favorite thing is the wrestling. The wrestling. It's that. That's what I. That's what I want to do. And I often come here and think, all right, this would be really fun. These are great guests. But the best thing that can ever happen for me as a wrestler is when I can sit here and learn. And I can only learn when it's someone like you. And to hear that. And the quote is, when you do the same thing, what is the exact quote?
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A
If you do what you've always done, you're going to have what you've always had.
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B
I needed that today.
- [55:47]
A
Now, if it's doing good, but if it's Doing good. Keep it up. You know what I mean? But if it ain't, you better change that menu real, real quick. But look, don't say something to somebody. Don't say something to Triple H and get me fired. Now I'm on scholarship.
- [55:58]
B
Oh, no, please. I think you're on scholarship. One of the better, if not the best guy on the scholarship.
- [56:04]
A
When I was talking to Triple H before, when I went out with Huck for that California deal we did, I had the flag. Triple H, go, Jimmy, whatever you do, don't let that flag touch the ground. I said, don't worry, baby. I ain't. If I'd have raised it any higher, man, I'd have ripped my arms out of the socket, Man. I had that going up through the roof. Well, I was waving the heck out of that darn thing.
- [56:21]
B
Well, speaking of, that's the Netflix premiere. That's. It's a lot happening on that show.
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A
Yep.
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B
I was in the front row. Rock was talking to me. We did just a lot happening. A new intuit. The way that arena set up. There's so much going on. That's the was you're out there. That's Hogan's last moment right before the documentary, of course. And the crowd being what they were.
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A
Right. And here's what happened, though. And I told Huck before we went, and you know, I love you, Hulk's job, but I'm gonna tell the truth on this. Yes. Here's what happened. He wore a Trump Vance T shirt when we did some Preach. Preach Gaga Goo Goo to do this stuff. I said, you know where we're going? We're going to California. And like I said before, I'm not a Democrat or Republican. I'm the Jabroni. Okay, thank you, Rock. I'm a gibroni. Okay, but here's the deal. I said, I don't like this, Jimmy. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay. We get out of the. We get out of the van there, the nice town car picture there, some fan go, hulk, we loved you, but you loved. We don't like you anymore because you're, you know. Oh, my God. I said, hook.
- [57:24]
B
You knew.
- [57:25]
A
I don't feel good about this, Jimmy. Don't worry about it. Oh, okay. We go in the back. You know when I'm worrying about it, because I'm thinking, I'm thinking about. So we're in the back and, you know, in the hook. And I said, he goes, jimmy Hart, what do you think? He'd always ask before we do something and I just said, no, everything's good, you know, everything's okay. He goes, so we went out and did the little thing with, you know, rehearsed where we were going to stand and coming out, do his little deal, and I'm waving the flag. Remember, I said, triple H, whatever you do, Jimmy, don't let the flag. Don't worry, baby, I won't. I promise you. Boy, I had that thing stretched up there waving, and we go out and we do it, and I'm really worried about it, okay? So I'll go out and we do the thing, and all of a sudden, boo. And I went, oh. Now I'm thinking to myself, well, that's okay, Jimmy, because, you know, I'm playing like I managed in the Heart foundation against the British Bulldog back in my heyday. So I'm waving the heck out of the flag, buddy. And it gets more and more and more. And I could see Hulk. I look over there, and I'm going, okay, here we go. So we finish it, and then we go in the back. And of course, then. Then Hulk calls me, the next guy, and go, hey, the radius were good on that segment we did. And I said, well, I guess they should be, because with all the commotion that happened on it, I guess we should have. And I said, but you kept telling me, don't worry about it. Well, I was worried about it. And he goes, jimmy, look, sometimes you got to do what you got to do. And he said, I've made my bed and I've got a lie in it. That's who I. That's who I wanted to vote for. That's what I wanted to do. He said, I knew in my heart going in there might be a catchy thing, but he knew it, you know, but, you know, it was. And then the next day, Pat McAfee and get on the show and make a big. It's a great skit. They have a guy dressed up like Huck going, I told Jimmy Hart not to wear that silly jacket like that. I told Jimmy Hart not to have that. That hairstyle still, you know, but it turned out great.
- [59:02]
B
You know, I. I've watched it, and. I mean, I was there and I watched it. And then, of course, the documentary, you see it again. But one of the things that I saw was funny was the Hulkster. The artists was still in there in terms of. He did what we often have to do where it's safe, get the information out, finish the segment. But you could also see, maybe I'll turn on them now. You could Also see. You could also see it stirring, which is always when you first hear it, the moment of, all right, I could do some heel things here, but a segment like that, you've got to just land the plane and take it home. But just seeing him feel it and hear it, you could tell he knew if he needed to play that role, he could.
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A
Well, you're smart, too, because when we got in the back, he goes, I knew I should have wore the NWO T shirt, you know? He said, I wanted to turn the hell on, upset so bad to do it. And I said, huck, look. I said, look, toward the end, you and Nash and Hall, people loved y', all, you know.
- [60:03]
B
Yeah.
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A
I mean, they were, you know, anything in life, you know, and everybody hits a situation where if you stay into one thing too long, you got to be thinking, what's the next thing I'm going to do to come out of this? You know? And so it's just. Just the way this business always going to be, you know, Ride it as long as it's riding. And when it's not, you know, you got to turn around. If you do what you always done, you got to have what you always had. That's when you change and go, plan number two, baby. Yeah. You know,
- [60:30]
B
being that that was a moment, and you're out there and you're waving the flag, like you said. Have you thought at all, does it would it interest you at all to do one more type moment, one more match, manage somebody one more night?
- [60:44]
A
Well, first of all, Paul Heyman is phenomenal. I tell him every time I see him, I love Paul Heyman. And I'm not just saying it because I love him. And it's just, you know, he's so good on everything he does. And I told him, I said, you know, Paul, I said, people respect what you say. Because a lot of times the crowd used to go. If people say something, they'll go, what? What? But when Paul talks, they'll listen to. You know, I'm like you. I watch all those things, too. Listen, right now, gas is at what, almost $5 a gallon?
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B
Okay?
- [61:13]
A
I've still got a little bit of that $2.95 gallon gas left in the old tank, okay? For sure. So I could probably still go out and do a few little things, but. But what? I found out this. If the company ever wanted me to do something, buddy, you know, I'd be there. But until they want me to do it, because you can't force yourself on anybody, you know, it's like having a girlfriend going, you can buy them flowers, you can buy them candy, but if they don't love you, listen, you can buy them everything. You know, there's a song out. I don't know if you remember the song by Bonnie Raitt. And it goes, you know, I don't think you love me. I can't make you love me if you don't. The old story was, these two guys went to write this song. They were trying to go everywhere. They said, we can't think. We got to write another hit song. We hadn't had any hits. He said, why don't we go to this court today? And they went to a courthouse that day, and this guy was in there, and he goes. He goes. The guy was up. He goes, well, Mr. So and so? He goes, yeah. He goes, guilty or not guilty? He said, we want to read this charge. He goes, yes, sir. He said, you, Honor, I'm probably guilty of it, but let me hear him. He goes, you had your girlfriend, you gave her a dog and you took it back. Yes, sir, I did that. He said, you gave her a car and you put your initials in it. Yes, sir, that was me. He said. He said, you. You came over to her house and you bought her a condo. And. And with the condo and everything else, he said, you. You vandalized it when she went home. Yes, sir, I did it. He said, have you learned anything today? And he goes, yeah, you can't make somebody love you when you don't. And they wrote that. It was that hit song. You know, that one line in that song. And so I always thought that. But no, I would love to do something, you know. You know what I'd like to do? Here's what I really want to do. I'd like to do a kids TV show. I talked to Ben Houser the other day.
- [62:50]
B
I said, the Ben Houser, huh? Oh, my gosh.
- [62:52]
A
I know what. I said, here's what I'd love to do, because nobody's doing. I said, y' all are doing so many great things. The company has been so busy. I said, I'd like to do a kids. I said, look, you had Mr. Green Jeans, older guy, Jimmy Hart, older. You had Happy Halloween, who had Howdy Duty, older guy doing it. Said, I'd like to do that. I'd like to take Little Row, who was part of the Hulk Hogan videos and stuff. Let him be my co host. And I said, let me take Dan House and let me take R Truth. Let me take anybody you'll give me and have segments on it. And I wanted to call it Smacked. Like, you know. And I said, SMACK stands for Saturday Morning Action Club Kids, if you spell it out right. Right. Or it could be on Saturday morning or Sunday morning, but y' all aren't doing a kids TV show, you know? And I said, I'd love to do that.
- [63:34]
B
Maybe he'll hear this idea and a lot of things.
- [63:36]
A
Well, here's what I did. I gave him. I. I got all the pictures together, I put all the segments out, and I gave it to him. But I said, that's the one thing that nobody's doing. And I said, if you go to Walmart and Target, if you look at everything there, which I look all the time, 70% of that stuff is for kids. When y' all go to the major shows that y' all do, it's more adults that buy the stuff and kids.
- [63:55]
B
So one of the things I was just. I just did an unreal interview right before we sat down. And one of the things I was saying is there's so many kids in our audience, but their voices are small voices. And what I mean by that is I can hear the grown men. I can hear them, but sometimes at the expense of the smaller voices that you can't hear. I don't like to dictate entirely what I do based on that older male demographic, because those small voices, they're just a little quieter. That's all. They're just a little quieter. And I don't want to do anything. If you find yourself in a situation John seen as the greatest example, he turns heel. And. And, well, he's not a heel because they grew up with him, and they were. They. They grew up with him. And they were not those voices during his heyday that were booing him and all. No, these. This is the crew that. He was their guy.
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A
You're right.
- [64:49]
B
So it's. It's just something that I. In terms of the acoustics of the audience, I don't want to ever discount the. Okay, yeah, I can hear you guys. I gotcha. Gotcha. But also that the. The small voices are their voices. So I just, on record did. I'm interested, and I. I wanted to. I'm glad you said so. You would be interested in doing another match.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
- [65:10]
B
But I also have to tell you this.
- [65:12]
A
Yeah.
- [65:13]
B
Because you said it a bunch and you're again, filled with the room. And I think I have the right to tell you this as WWE Champion. I think WWE loves you. So I don't worry about. You can give them all the. You can do all the things for wwe. They love you. WWE has always loved you, and the whole roster does. I hope you know that.
- [65:33]
A
Well, you know what? I've never. But because I watch all the TVs, I feel like I'm not. I'm old school, but not like old school, because a lot of the guys, they don't see how wrestling's changed, but I do, because it's just. I mean, you got to change and everything. Look at. Look how athletic all the people. I love watching nxt. You know, it's like I said about Sol Ruko, she reminds me of Geron Evans because of his acrobatic stuff. But Charlotte Flair, you know, And I'm
- [66:00]
B
glad you brought up Ethan Page, too.
- [66:01]
A
Yeah, well, Ethan here's. Ethan's the new.
- [66:03]
B
He's a friend. He doesn't act like it.
- [66:04]
A
Listen, Ethan's the new mia's.
- [66:06]
B
Yeah.
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A
You know, when Miz, he's got a lot of my. I love the Miz. You know, me and the Miz did our first tour together when he came off that TV show. We. Orlando, Florida, we did the first little autograph thing together, promoting the show. I still got that picture, by the way, But I love the Miz. Miz can change. He can do any kind of character.
- [66:23]
B
Miz is mad at me right now.
- [66:24]
A
Why?
- [66:25]
B
Because I asked him last week, I said, when's Gladiators come out? It's already out. And, yeah, I wasn't a good friend, so I've been overly promoting it on my social.
- [66:37]
A
But he could fit into any. But he could fit into anything. And that's one thing about Ethan Page. He could fit into anything. He's got a great. He could talk, great facial expressions, and so. And Ricky Saints. You know, it's hard for me to get used to that name, though, you know, after he came over. But I know you got to do it on that. But he's got something. Both those guys seem to have a little bit more experience than ever. I think they've been around a little bit longer. They see the way they get in the ring, the way they work, the way they do, the audience, you know, everything. And I've done a couple of things for Ricky at WrestleMania the last two years, and I said, I feel like I'm managing you, because we do. They have us up doing the autograph. When y' all are wrestling, we're up in the booths with the people that pay the money for the. The special booths. Yeah, that's When Jimmy Hart comes. Hey, how you doing? Your Uber driver's here. Hey, you know, so, so we're all up. We have so much fun doing it though. But they're all great.
- [67:22]
B
Oh, the on location team.
- [67:24]
A
I know, but it's great. It takes everybody.
- [67:26]
B
We did a pod for on location. Those are the best fans.
- [67:30]
A
I love it. It's all great. They tell you they're just so cool, you know, it's all good. But I've had so much fun doing this my whole life. You know, I feel like I like, I love music but still, this is always my first love. It was just crazy that I cause a day wolf. I got to do a lot of the songs, you know.
- [67:45]
B
Oh my God.
- [67:45]
A
So it's fun doing him. I've never seen this demeanor with you before because you know, when I see your interviews, it's always, they've got you so tense every time you come to the ring. So even though you go, is there anything you want to talk about? Then all of a sudden it goes, you know, which is great the way you do it. But I'm like, I've never seen him so laid back. It's awesome.
- [68:01]
B
Gotta be.
- [68:02]
A
I mean, this is great though.
- [68:03]
B
The plight of a babyface though is I just get my. I feel like I'm getting beat up every week. And then if you get to the big peel and then you're talking about beating that guy up, you know, Michael Hayes even brought it up last week. He's like, like, we, we leave you laying a lot, don't we? I'm like, yes. Yeah, I wouldn't mind, you know, like. But hey,
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A
big news.
- [68:23]
B
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A
You know what, everybody is so cool and so you know, they wouldn't be up there number one if WWE weren't ready for them. And Shawn Michaels has everybody ready before they get there. Trust me on that. So it'd really be hard for me to really fit into anything. I'd have to look and see at the agents or the promoters or whoever's behind the scenes to put me with somebody, if it ever happened, that I would really fit in with because they're with the product seven days a week and only watch it three times a week until you got a pay per view. So I watch it on Mondays and of course Tuesdays and of course the Friday night shows. So. But, you know, like I said before, I just, like, I still got a little gas left in the tank, so.
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B
Do you think you'd fit with me?
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A
Listen, I think you're doing so good right now. I'd be the one to come in that if you start. If the T shirt started not selling, the ratings went down, the scholarship would be over. Jimmy Hart, you're out of here, brother. So please. No, you've always been great, you know, I followed your career with the other company, too.
- [70:07]
B
You know, I tried to get you to walk me to the ring at Ring of Honor.
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A
I know you did.
- [70:09]
B
We were talking about.
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A
But I was in Europe. I told you that, though. I said, man, I'd love to do it, but I'm over here. That would have been a big thrill, you know. But you know what? No matter where you've gone, you've always landed on your feet. You've been. I mean. I mean, you know it more than anything, but I just. The way you groom yourself, the way you look, the way you talk, the way you speak, and that's why all these kids and everywhere I go, and adults, too, you know, when I'm out doing autographs and doing stuff, I've always watched the merchandise. I watch everything. What they're buying and. And who they talk about and what you know, and it just. I've always done that.
- [70:42]
B
Speaking of merch, you'll probably see this as you keep doing the autographs and all the things. You're someone who's very similar energy and is Danhausen.
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A
Oh, I love Danhausen. Listen.
- [70:55]
B
It's a phenomenon.
- [70:56]
A
Listen to this. When I saw him, I saw him about six months ago, before I saw him at WrestleMania. And I'd always tell him, I said, dan House. Him. Ask him this, he'll know it. Yeah, I said, dan House. Let me tell you something. With the merchandise you have now, if you can ever get in wwe, I'm telling you, oh, my gosh. Bring in the armored truck to put that money in. I said, I love this and everything. And so. And I saw him when I saw him at WrestleMania. I told him. I said, remember? You tell him. He goes, yeah, you did. And he goes, well, I'm here. And I said, okay, bring the armored truck.
- [71:27]
B
That SOB Is the safe shirt to buy. Because if you buy a Roman shirt, you're drawing a line in the sand. If you buy a punk shirt, you're drawing a line of sand. You buy a Cody shirt, you're picking a side. You. You buy a Danhausen shirt, you're good. The whole. Everyone you're against, and for everyone, it's just. Just a very smart. And what you told them was 100% true, because the group outside of WWE, that being One Hour Tease and Ryan, wonderful guys. When they lost Anhausen, that was a. That was a sad moment. There's a kind of a retirement of. He really filled that block, and now somebody else will have to take that mantle, and he's here doing it. You weren't wrong.
- [72:06]
A
Well, you know what? Years before, y' all had seen Santino Morelli doing that. And then R Truth. And so Danhausen fits right in. You know, the other class is graduating slowly but surely. And so you got the new class coming in. That's Danhausen.
- [72:20]
B
Oh, absolutely.
- [72:21]
A
So I love him. I love him. When I saw him at WrestleMania, we talked and everything else, and he's just. He's. He's a good dude. He really is a good guy.
- [72:29]
B
You think you do well on the podcast?
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A
Sorry?
- [72:31]
B
You think you do well on the
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A
podcast if you do 30 minutes of it.
- [72:35]
B
Yeah.
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A
It might be very short.
- [72:38]
B
All right.
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A
As long as he don't put the curse on you.
- [72:40]
B
Yeah, no, you can't get cursed.
- [72:41]
A
You don't. Please don't curse my megaphone. Please don't curse my megaphone. I want it to still work. Oh, man. Which, by the way, listen, listen. I've got to tell you this. This is a special megaphone. At least to me it is. Because on here, it's got almost all the guys, we couldn't get everybody on it, but almost over 20 of something of the people that I got to manage when I had my little run in wwe, you know, and a couple of people, you know, that I had in Memphis, like Jerry Lawler and Andy Coppin. But I know you've got a great charity. And last year, Jason Aldean called me. Country music singer, know you're familiar with him, he called me and he said that his wife had a charity for abused women. And he wanted to know, would I send him something that he could auction off. Well, I sent it to him up in Nashville. And Kid Rock, of all people, bought a Jimmy Hart megaphone that I sent for $10,500. So I guess that's okay for me to say it. Kid Rock. So I'm doing it anyway.
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B
It's great.
- [73:37]
A
So I did that for him. And so what I want to do is I want to give this to you for your charity when you have your next time that y', all, you know, put things up for auction off and everything else. But if you'll accept it, I'd love to do it.
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B
Well, I will. It's too much, but thank you. 100. Yes, please.
- [73:55]
A
And I'm gonna sign it. Hope this doesn't hurt. Hope the money deal. No, no, but I'm gonna do that. But I want you to. This is yours, man. And I want to thank you for putting food on everybody's table for another year. So I love you for that. That. And it's just been so, you know, so great doing this, man. When they called me about doing this, I said, are you sure you ain't calling Bret Hart? You know, I said, instead of Jimmy Hart? And so that was the whole deal, so. But I love you, man. Thank you so much. Oh, I hear a phone ringing.
- [74:24]
B
Background. That was the loudest. It was like a fake phone ring.
- [74:30]
A
Ben Brown's running. Yeah, there he goes.
- [74:32]
B
Oh, thank you so much.
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A
Hey, look, this is yours, man. But it's, you know, it's got a little bit of everybody on it, but this is yours, and thank you. Hope it can make some money for your children.
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B
It certainly will. And, oh, this. This means a great deal. And we 100% wanted. You had been trying to find the time to do it. This would. This is wonderful. And I feel like you mentioned a lot of the next. You just said it. The class graduated, another class comes in. I hope they watch this because I got so much out of sitting here with you.
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A
Oh, man.
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B
You know, if I can't ride in a car with you from Louisville to Cincinnati or whatever it is and doing these shows, I. I can sit here right now. And it's just a wealth of knowledge and experience and.
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A
Well, yeah, I love you for having me here, man.
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B
Oh, thank you so much. Glamour Girls are on here.
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A
Glamour. A lot of people don't realize I managed the Glamour Girls. And what was so cool about it, we had the jumping bomb angels that came in.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the jump. We had nobody to fight him. So I went to Vince and it's events. I've got an idea. He goes, what? Well, I went to Pat, really, and Pat gave Vince the idea, or Pat Patterson. He goes, jimmy's got an idea of bleaching their hair blonde. He wants to call them the Glamour Girls. And he goes, but they're not glamorous. I said, yeah, but that's why I want to do it, because they're not glamorous. It makes sense, because he goes, yeah, so we made them gold capes, gold outfits, and I had a gold jacket. And the reason I did gold, because I had a gold jacket already, so I didn't have to make me one. And so we did save money, you know, and so we did that. We had a great run for about seven or eight months. And so it turned out at the very end, I was happy. I got to take a drop kick from the Jumping Bomb Angels at the end of the matches. So it turned out great.
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B
You got Bret Hart on here. You've got Greg Valentine, Jerry Lawler, Andy Kaufman, Natural Disasters, Dory Funk, the Rougeau Brothers, Money Inc. Nasty Boys, Adrian Adonis, Dino Bravo, Hart Foundation, King Kong Bundy, Terry Funk, obviously the Mouth of South. Jimmy Hart, Hulkamania here. Think about just what's on this megaphone.
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A
And you know what? In Memphis, a lot of people don't know. I managed in Memphis. I had King Kong, Bundy and Nightheart down there. I had the Iron Sheik. I managed the Iron Chic in Memphis before he went to New York. And I had Rick Rood. Just so many of the guys that finally went to New York that I had down in Memphis, too. So I learned so much from everybody, really. I mean. But I'm gonna tell you something. This company here has the best production of anybody ever in the business. And you know that. You know, we've all been different places and stuff, but you just can't beat the production and the staff and everything. And so I just. I love doing what I'm doing. So whenever they call me, I'm like a fireman buddy. I said, feet, don't fail me now, baby. I'm on my way.
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B
Well, I mean, the production. The production is everything you just said. And hats off to. They are the best. And often in the field, we'll find that some of our partners don't always realize that until they see it and realize, oh, these guys got it. They know what they're doing. That aside, though, this has to have heart and soul, and you are just some of the. The. The biggest heart and soul that's in the wrestling business. I love you. Thank you so much.
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A
Coming for you it means so much. Like I said, it really does. And remember one thing before I go. Keep on dancing, baby Keep on dancing,
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B
baby Keep on dancing Ladies and gentlemen, Mouth of the South, Jimmy Hart.
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A
Thank you. The Champ. The Champ.
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B
That was so much fun.
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A
No, thank you, man. Fun. That's great.