Jordan is joined by criminal justice advocate, law school graduate, Peabody-nominated podcast host, author, journalist, and long-time friend, Josie Duffy Rice – a true multi-hyphenate if there ever were one.

Together, they navigate the nuances of redemption, what criminal justice reform may look like under the second Trump administration, the complex decisions involved in choosing to migrate, and approaching diverse political conversations with empathy and understanding.

Here’s where you can find Josie:

Website: https://www.josieduffyrice.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jduffyrice/?hl=en

Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/jduffyrice.bsky.social

Toward the end of the interview, Jordan referenced “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness” by Michelle Alexander.

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at ask@whatifyourewrongpod.com, or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown.

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What If You're Wrong? With Josie Duffy Rice