Jordan is delighted to be joined by the Mayor of Oklahoma City, Dean of the Oklahoma City School of Law, and incoming President of the United States Conference of Mayors, David Holt.

Jordan and Mayor Holt cover a lot of ground in this interview, discussing why city hall is the most exciting and effective venue for policy conversation in this country; Mayor Holt’s 3 C’s for virtuous leadership in government; the intricacies of open primaries and alternative voting systems; and, how national politics appear in the local arena.

Here’s where you can find Mayor Holt:

Website: https://www.okc.gov/government/mayor

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mayordavidholt/?hl=en

X: https://x.com/davidfholt?lang=en

During the conversation, Mayor Holt referenced his piece in the Philadelphia Citizen, titled, “A Republican Mayor’s Unexpected Presidential Vote.” Later in the interview, Jordan also referenced Benjamin Barber’s “If Mayors Ruled the World: Dysfunctional Nations, Rising Cities.”

Do you have questions, suggestions, or recommendations for the podcast? You can contact Jordan at ask@whatifyourewrongpod.com, or at his Instagram handle, @jordancbrown.

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What If You're Wrong? With Mayor David Holt