
Hosted by Joel Krogman · EN
My name is Joel. I'm in my late 30s, and some things about my life are going really well: I'm a filmmaker, a husband, a father. But in other areas, I feel stuck: Is my life making a difference? Could I do more? Am I making enough money? Am I raising my kids in a way that will help them have a right relationship with themselves and the world around them? What should I do with the rest of my life? Should I pump the brakes and stop putting so much pressure on myself?
I'm not great at answering these kinds of questions on my own, but what does help me get unstuck is hearing how others have found their way. So this is a show of conversations with people who have answered the question "What's Next?" and lived to tell about it.

Rob Bell is a bestselling author (Love Wins, Velvet Elvis), a podcaster (The Robcast), a performer, and speaker. Rob came on the show to talk about his new book, "Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?", and how the experience of writing it was completely different from his other books. He shares about growing up on a hobby farm in Michigan, and how creativity helped him discover himself. We talk about the importance of learning painful lessons, and how real happiness is found in the process, not the result.You can find Rob's book, "Where'd You Park Your Spaceship?" at robbell.com

Curtis Chang is a public theologian, entrepreneur, author, professor, and a former pastor. Curtis shares about experiencing anxiety as a young boy, and how it shaped him into adulthood. We talk about how anxiety is ultimately about loss, and the importance of having an identity that can withstand loss. Curtis also shares his take on the current role Christianity is playing in US politics and how anxiety has played a part in shaping it.His book, The Anxiety Opportunity, is available on Amazon. To learn more about the work he’s doing within Christian politics, visit after-party.org.

Justin Hoot is a partner at Someoddpilot, a creative agency for brands like Patagonia, Lollapolooza, FX, and more. Justin shares about growing up as a kid with anxiety, east coast vs midwest vibes, and how he has been able to move on from one thing to the next without having his identity wrapped up in it. We talk about how quickly it feels that time is passing, and the tension between pursuing our own dreams vs being a dad.Follow Justin on Instagram @jhoot__


Jeremiah Robison is a technologist building the future of human augmentation. He is the founder and CEO of CIONIC, a company building bionic clothing for mobility impairment. We talk about moving as a child, how mentors have helped him believe in himself, and how his daughter inspired him to do his life's work. Jeremiah shares about his goals for the future of human augmentation, and what a meaningful legacy means for him.

James Kanoff is a co-founder of The Farmlink Project, and co-founder and CEO of Terradot. The Farmlink Project connects farms with surplus to food banks to feed people in need. They have rescued 165,000,000 lbs of food, prevented 248,453 metric tons of CO2e Emissions, and delivered 137,500,000 meals. James shares about starting The Farmlink Project with some friends who just wanted to do something to help during the pandemic, how it grew into a nationwide movement, and his vision for the future of food. We talk about leading teams without ego, struggling to succeed in traditional school environments, and wondering what our place in the world was when we were younger.Follow James on Instagram @jameskanoff

Dr Tracy Dennis-Tiwary is a scientist, entrepreneur and author. She is a Professor of Psychology and neuroscience, and director of the Emotion Regulation Lab at Hunter College in New York City, and co-founder and CSO of Arcade Therapeutics, where she is turning neuroscience research into gamified, clinically validated digital therapeutics for mental health. She is the author of Future Tense: Why Anxiety is Good For You (Even Though It Feels Bad). Tracy shares about choosing to play the oboe because she felt bad for it, and how she traded it in for a life in psychology. We talk raising resilient kids, how religion can both trap us and set us free, and how anxiety can be used as a tool to live a healthier life.Follow her on Instagram @dr.tracyphd

Blaine Hogan is a director and author of Exit the Cave. We talked about his reasons for writing such an honest and personal book, and about the paradox between wanting to hide and wanting to be known. Blaine shares about leading creative teams while experiencing doubt, teaching his kids to do things even when they’re afraid, and about making the choice between cereal, bagels and waffles. Exit the Cave is available on Amazon.Follow him on instagram @blainehogan

Chaim Schalk is a professional beach volleyball player, olympian and AVP Champion. He represented the Canadian Beach National Team in the 2016 Rio Olympics and he now represents Team USA internationally, making a run for the 2024 Olympics in Paris. We talked about how growing up in a competitive household helped Chaim become a professional beach volleyball player, the dream of being a professional athlete vs the reality of it, and the challenges of being a father while spending a lot of days on the road.Follow him on Instagram @chaimer

Hayley Santell is the founder and CEO of MADI Apparel, an ethical fashion brand headquartered in Kansas City, MO. Hayley founded the company when she learned that women’s underwear is the most under donated clothing item and tops the most urgent needs list at most domestic violence and sexual assault clinics. For every product MADI Apparel sells, they donate a pair of underwear to women in need and organizations who serve them. We talked about getting started on something that is hard, persevering through unexpected challenges, and trying to live a passion without burning out.