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Pushkin finally, almost 60 years later, humanity is going back to the moon. The plan, at least, is for the United States to build a base on the moon in the not terribly distant future so that the moon can be both a literal and metaphorical launching pad for humanity to explore the solar system. System Rad so what's it going to take to build a base on the moon? A lot. The answer is a lot. I'm Jacob Goldstein, this is what's yous Problem? And my guest today is Rob Meyerson. Rob spent 15 years running Blue Origin, the rocket company founded by Jeff Bezos, and in 2020, he started a company called Interlune. Rob's problem is how do you build the infrastructure for a lunar economy that doesn't really exist yet? Eventually, Rob hopes Interlude will help build that base on the moon. For now, though, he's focused on a more short term, but still not that short term goal. Going to the moon and bringing back a gas called helium 3 to sell on Earth. Helium 3 is an isotope of helium that is wildly rare on Earth. So rare that it sells for around $10 million a pound. Helium 3 is used to identify smuggled nuclear materials at ports and border crossings. It's also used in certain kinds of quantum computing and certain forms of fusion energy. Both fusion energy and quantum computing are of course attracting billions of dollars in investments right now. And that is part of the reason Rob wants to go to the moon to bring back helium 3. In our conversation, we talked about a lot. Rob told me why reusable rockets are only the first step for going back to the moon, what it's going to take to actually manufacture things in space, and how he's trying to build a business by sifting through the dirt on the moon. I talked to rob on April 10th and I mention that because when we talked, the Artemis II astronauts were on their way back from the moon. So of course, that's what we started with. Rob, as we're talking right now on this day, Artemis 2 is about 50,000 miles from the Earth hurtling toward us at about 6,000 miles an hour. If everything goes well, it'll splash down later today. What does that mean for you? What does it mean for the moon? What does it mean for your company?
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Rob Meyerson
Well, first off, I started my career, I'm an aerospace engineer. I started my career as a NASA co op in 1985. So I worked on the space shuttle, I worked on aerodynamics of vehicles that reenter the atmosphere just like Orion will do this afternoon.
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Jacob Goldstein
So you tell me you know a lot about what's about to happen. Is that what you're telling me?
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Rob Meyerson
I do. And I'm. This is right up my alley. And I know personally, I know the people who worked on it to make it happen. And I'm super excited and I'm super confident and I'm quite honestly a little surprised at the media. Like the national excitement about it that is shared because it shows that human space flight is different. We can generate excitement about the space program from a broader audience by doing these new and exciting things and going to the moon to stay. It's like we've been to the moon before, but we haven't. Like you and I, industry today hasn't been. That was 50 plus years ago. And we have a whole new group of people that are doing it and it's exciting to watch.
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Jacob Goldstein
It is so wild that we went to the moon and then we stopped going to the moon. Right. It's weird. You would not have thought in whatever, 1972, that humanity would be like, well, that's it, we're done. We went to the moon and let's just stop going to the moon now.
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Rob Meyerson
Exactly. What's that all about? Like, why quit? We really, it's not in our nature. I mean, there's so much more to learn on the moon. There's so much more to benefit from. So going back to stay, it really matters.
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Jacob Goldstein
Well, and as you point out. Right, so this is Artemis 2. Right. And Artemis 1 was the same thing, but without people. Right. And it is much more exciting when there are people on board, which I get as a, you know, as a human being, as an English major, whatever. On a certain level, it's not entirely rational. Right. Because you could do a lot without people. Certainly easier to go without people. There's a lot less to worry about. And yet it's so much more exciting when there are people doing it.
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Rob Meyerson
There are. You can talk to my co founder, Harrison Schmidt, who walked on the moon on Apollo 17. But the anecdotes you hear from these Artemis 2 astronauts, you know that spacecraft that flew around the moon on Artemis 1 didn't tell us what it was seeing. These astronauts are telling us that the moon looks brown. That's a surprise. It's all about lighting and it's about the human observation. What the eye can see that you don't necessarily see.
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Jacob Goldstein
I don't believe you. Right. It's about feelings. You're saying something. I don't believe what you're saying. Right, yeah.
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Rob Meyerson
All right. It is, it is. You're right. You're right. It is all about feelings. And, and it's making me feel great right now. So. And I think that there's a lot of people that feel the way I do.
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Jacob Goldstein
So I want to talk about your kind of short to medium term plans at Interlude. But to start, since we're already talking about astronauts and the moon and whatever, let's actually start with like your big dream of, you know, humanity and the moon and where interlude fits in.
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Rob Meyerson
Sure. So reusable rockets are something that is here to stay. I worked on the space shuttle. I worked on a private company called Kistler that didn't make it. And then I went to Blue origin and spent 15 years there building reusable rockets and SpaceX right alongside their. These companies are building rockets that are being reused in a way that will lower the cost of spaceflight and eventually lower the price of spaceflight. But that only gets you so far. Jacob, the next lever for lowering the Cost of space missions is to build things in space using resources that you've sourced from space. So metals, rocket fuel, helium 3, helium gas. So there will be factories in space building things that will support a long term in space economy. And our big vision for Interlude is that we're, we're the, you know, the central cog in that, providing the resources that are used to build, build things. And, and once you get that second flywheel that in space manufacturing flywheel going alongside the reusable rocket flywheel, then you, you kind of see where the costs and where these economics can go in the long term.
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Jacob Goldstein
Why did you start the company? I mean, you were president at Blue Origin. That's a cool space job, building rockets to go to space or almost to space. What led you to start Interlude?
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Rob Meyerson
Yeah, so I'd been at Blue origin for 15 years. I was the president for most of those years. I recognize that the infrastructure that we need to do things long term on the moon and in space is being built by companies like Blue Origin and SpaceX. But I also noticed that the Artemis program, which was created under the first Trump administration to go back to the moon to stay, was continued by the Biden administration. And that was the first time in my career that a major NASA program of record had been continued through the change of administration, which meant to me that there is a lot of support for going to the moon and onto Mars, what the Artemis program was created for. And I knew that now was the time to go do that.
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Jacob Goldstein
So you have this idea, oh, like the US government is serious about going back to the moon. I'm interested in getting into the moon business. How do you get from there to helium 3?
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Rob Meyerson
So my co founder, Harrison Schmidt, is the only geologist to walk on the moon.
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Jacob Goldstein
That's a cool business card, right?
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Rob Meyerson
He is one of a kind and I met him in 2016 when I was at Blue Origin. We Talked about Helium3 at that time, but he was focused on fusion energy. And going to the moon in 2016 to get helium 3 for fusion is the classic 2 miracle business plan, right?
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Jacob Goldstein
Because fusion is not a thing. Like there is not commercial fusion. People are working on it. There's a lot of money pouring into it, but it's not happening. So that's one miracle.
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Rob Meyerson
Yeah, yeah, that's the one miracle. And the second is the moon. But what happened since then is that the Artemis program was created by NASA and there's money being invested in lunar landers, lunar rovers and all lunar infrastructure.
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Jacob Goldstein
That's one miracle. Eliminated exactly what's the other miracle that gets eliminated.
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Rob Meyerson
Well, so the fusion energy part of it. We realized that we could build a pretty good business to support quantum computing. Because the truth is, over the next 10 to 20 years, there will be people scaling up quantum computers from 100 qubits to a thousand to ten thousand to a million. And a million qubit quantum computer will need as much helium 3 as we produce in the United States in one year. Yeah. So the future I want to see is a data center full of million qubit quantum computers. But the fact is, we won't be able to support that future with the helium 3 we have on Earth.
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Jacob Goldstein
Is that data center in space in the future of your dreams?
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Rob Meyerson
Well, I'm not going to go there, Jacob. It might, it might. But that data center with quantum computers will need a lot of Helium 3, and we'll need to go to space. We'll need to go to the moon to get that helium 3.
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Jacob Goldstein
Okay, so I got the plan. That's the plan. I can see it on the whiteboard with a few arrows. What do you have to do to actually make that happen? Right, so you mentioned that lots of other people are building lots of other things, right? You're building some piece of it. So, like, what do you have to figure out?
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Rob Meyerson
Yeah, so. So 10 years ago, there was no lunar landers being built in the US There was no lunar rovers being built in the US Today, there is many companies building those. And if you think of the technologies we need as a tech stack, that rover provides, the wheels, the transmission, the drivetrain, the mobility that we need, and what we need is we need to excavate large volumes of lunar soil regolith. We need to sort it. We need to sort the rocks from the sand because we know that the solar wind implants the helium 3 and other solar wind gases in the outer nanometer thick rind of the lunar regolith.
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Jacob Goldstein
The lunar regolith is the dirt, basically on the moon. Yes. Outer nanometer. You're just saying in the tiniest sliver of the surface is where the helium 3 is.
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Rob Meyerson
Yeah. So you want to get the rocks out, because the rocks aren't going to be the high volume producer of the helium 3. You want to get the fine sand. Then we want to do a mechanical process where we crush the regolith and we release those solar wind gases. And then we cryogenically separate the helium 3 from the helium. And that last step, that cryogenic separation is.
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Jacob Goldstein
That part sounds harder than the other parts.
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Rob Meyerson
It is. And we've developed it here in Seattle. We're operating below 2 Kelvin, which is just, you know, 2 degrees above absolute zero. And what we've demonstrated is that we can enrich helium 3 helium mixtures from very, very low 0.00002% helium 3 and helium to 99%. And what that represents is that this needle in a haystack in the helium 3 we have on Earth, the very, very trace amounts of helium 3, we can go use this technology that we've envisioned, we've developed for the Moon, but we can use it on Earth in a grade A helium plant. We can extract helium 3 in 2028 before we get to the Moon, and we can sell that Helium 3 to our customers in the quantum computing industry.
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Jacob Goldstein
Wait, just so I follow, when you say you can extract helium 3 in 2028 before you get to the Moon, do you mean you're going to be in the Helium 3 business on, on Earth just by extracting the trace amounts of helium 3 that are here?
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Rob Meyerson
Yep. Yeah. And we came upon this wrinkle in the business plan as we were working back from the original Moon architecture. And that's how a lot of these things happen. You know, you have this grand vision. You work backward from it. You start developing core technologies, excavation size, sorting, extraction, separation. And then we realized, hey, well, this cryogenic separation process, which is hard on the moon, it'll work on Earth too. The problem is when there's a million tons of helium 3 on the Moon, there's very, very small amounts on Earth. So we can maybe triple the US supply of helium 3 if we maximize, if we pull every molecule of helium 3 out. But on the Moon, we can 10x100x1000x10,000x the helium 3 production. And we can do that in a managed scaled fashion to allow the market to catch up. So we want to operate on the Moon and we want to make space resources available on Earth and in space to solve some of these big problems. And that's what we're focused on.
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Jacob Goldstein
So when are you going to send something to the Moon? When do you get to go to the Moon?
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Rob Meyerson
Well, we. Yeah, great question. We have a camera that we're going to send this fall with a company called Astrolabe. We developed it with NASA Ames Research center in San Francisco, Mountain View. We're going to land on the South Pole with Astrolabe, and our camera will image the surface as the Astrolabe rover is driving around. And we'll bring those images back and we'll look and we'll use our measurements to correlate and get better understandings of where Helium 3 is. Now, we're not sure how much Helium 3 is down at the South Pole, but this is, this is an opportunity for us to do a very early mission. The next thing and the hardware behind me, the lab that I'm in right now, is we're building up a payload that we want to fly to the moon in 2028. Okay, so it's about a 40 kilogram payload and it's going to include a robotic arm and it's going to include several devices. One device will sort regolith, one device will mechanically process the regolith, and one device will heat the regolith up to 950 degrees centigrade. And all three of those processes are going to release solar wind gases. So this mission will do two things for us. One is it'll demonstrate that we know how much helium 3 is in a certain landing area on the moon. And, and two, we'll demonstrate some of our core technology, our sorting, our mechanical processing, and reduce risk for the eventual deployment of robotic harvesters, a fleet of robotic harvesters that will operate for many years, processing the soil and extracting the helium 3. Once we have that fleet of harvesters, then we establish a head start. Then we'll start to add technologies that will extract water and make propellants, extract metals, and start to service other markets in space as those markets begin to grow and take hold.
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Jacob Goldstein
I mean one of the interesting things about your business is you're creating one piece of this whole space economy,
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Rob Meyerson
many
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Jacob Goldstein
parts of which don't really exist yet. Completely getting to space, that exists, but the like going back and forth to the moon in an industrial way, like other people are working on other pieces of that, but it's not a real thing yet. It's not an industry yet.
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Rob Meyerson
Right.
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Jacob Goldstein
And so yeah, so talk me through like what other pieces do other people have to figure out for your business to work?
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Rob Meyerson
So right now for we envision in the2030s, we'll have a rocket based system that's bringing a small spacecraft back to Earth, re entering the Earth's atmosphere just like Artemis 2 is going to do today. But it's smaller with a payload with not people. So it's a little different risk profile. And we'll be doing that four or five times a year.
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Jacob Goldstein
And we meaning not your company, but what America, the world.
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Rob Meyerson
We meaning interlude like this is what we need to do. We might be able to buy that service in the future, but Right now we're, we're planning to build it. Okay. And it's a, it's a small system that'll carry 25kg, so that's enough mass for a pressure bottle and say, three to five kilograms of helium 3, which is, you know, a very, very valuable payload.
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Jacob Goldstein
Just so I can picture it like, you got this rocket coming back from the moon to deliver Helium 3. Like, how big is the. Like, do I picture a tank like a scuba diver wears? What am I even picturing? What do you put the helium 3 in?
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Rob Meyerson
It would be roughly a sphere that's a little less than a meter in diameter. Okay, that's amazing.
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Jacob Goldstein
And you're going to the moon and back for that little ball of, of
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Rob Meyerson
helium, and, and it's going to be worth 50 to 100 million dollars. So. And you sell that into a market that's growing and really looking for it. So that's, that's what we're counting on.
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Jacob Goldstein
We'll be back in just a minute.
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Jacob Goldstein
who else is trying to do this?
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Rob Meyerson
Our biggest competitor, I would say is probably China. The Chinese are talking about space resource extraction, including helium 3. They published papers, they've already demonstrated over the last five, six years that they can bring samples back from the moon and they can operate spacecraft 247 during the lunar night using nuclear batteries. You know, the reason I bring up China is because 30, 40 years ago we sort of made decisions in the US that ceded the the rare earth elements supply chain to China. Yeah, we, we, you know, and today the processing of those rare earth elements, 90 plus percent of it is, is controlled by China.
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Jacob Goldstein
Right. The key thing about rare earth elements is they're not that rare. Right. China is winning on rare earth elements because they have the industrial capacity, not because the elements are in the ground there and not elsewhere.
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Rob Meyerson
Yep. And you see a lot of headlines that the US Government is investing billions of dollars in rebuilding the rare earth elements supply chain in the U.S. yeah, we, by, by focusing on helium 3 right now and making it a priority. I think we can avoid that mistake of the past that was made, and I think it's worth it.
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Jacob Goldstein
What you're doing is hard and you have to figure out a lot of things. When you think about what might go wrong or why it might not work, what do you think about?
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Rob Meyerson
Well, I think five years ago I would have thought, are my projections. Are our projections about the future going to come true? We're dependent on many other companies, we're dependent on NASA. So we've done our best to project things. And then you make sure, like in any other business, are there adjacencies where you can make some money along the path to your big vision? One of Those is extracting helium 3 from terrestrial helium. So we're taking our cryogenic distillation technology, we're packaging it up and we're plugging it into helium plants on Earth. The Air Force is backing, backing that work, but we have investors that are really interested in that. Another thing is using our knowledge of excavation on the moon to apply to construction of a moon base. So NASA just announced a three phase, $30 billion moon base program, and we intend to be a part of it. And we want to demonstrate grading a surface, compacting a surface, digging a trench, building a Bermuda Remotely on the surface of the moon, which I think is going to. You think Artemis 2 is exciting? I think watching construction happen on the Moon is going to be a pretty fascinating thing for people to watch and witness and witness a part of history, and we want to be a part of that.
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Jacob Goldstein
When do you think there will be a base on the moon?
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Rob Meyerson
So NASA's administrator, Jared Isaacman, announced a new program to start increasing the number of flights to the moon, robotic flights to the moon starting in 2027. He's described the early phases of a moon base as looking like a junkyard. And I think it's appropriate to set expectations really low on what this is going to look like. It's not going to look like your science fiction moon base. It's going to look like a series of demonstrations, some of them that work and some of them that don't. And he's using, he's putting to work these companies that NASA has enabled over the years that are building small cargo landers. And we'll be working with them, we'll be working with the companies building lunar rovers to put our tools for processing the lunar soil and moving the lunar soil, and we'll be a part of that. When I asked you a minute ago
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Jacob Goldstein
what you're worried about, I think you told me what you were worried about five years ago, but not what you're worried about now. Surely there's a lot to worry about, given your job and the difficulty of what you're trying to do.
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Rob Meyerson
Yeah, there's certainly a lot of technical risk, a lot of dependencies we have on other companies. The moon is an unforgiving place. It's extremely hot and cold. The lunar day lasts for two weeks and then the lunar night lasts for two weeks. There's radiation, there's hard vacuum, there's dust. It's very different from Earth. So we're going to learn a lot as we go while we solve some of the big challenges around dust mitigation, heat rejection, operating in a vacuum.
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Jacob Goldstein
All those things, just hard, just nuts and bolts, like literal nuts and bolts
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Rob Meyerson
Engineering challenges, hard engineering. And we've got to raise money to go do all this. So we have to convince outside investors that this is the right thing to go spend their money on while they're watching. AI and defense tech are big areas where the venture capital frontier tech investors are focusing their time on. And I think in the coming weeks, months, year, we're going to start to see a little more attention paid to space tech, especially with the SpaceX IPO coming up. It's an exciting time for us. So how do we make sure we're positioned right to take advantage of that?
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Jacob Goldstein
So you've been working in the space industry in the space space for 35 years. Like this whole industry, such as it is now, has emerged since you started working in space. Right. It's so different than when you started. What is surprising to you? Like when you look at the way the world is now, how is it different than you might have thought it would be?
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Rob Meyerson
I told someone yesterday that when I started my career, I thought I'd missed the golden age. Apollo had happened and NASA was working on shuttle. Shuttle was routine. And then all of a sudden some things happen where, oh, it's not so routine. We can't really take our eye off the ball here because this is still extremely risky. And we don't have this. NASA doesn't have the support that we needed that we had in the past.
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Jacob Goldstein
You mean the space shuttle blew up? Just to be clear, not to be crass, but that's what you're referring to.
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Rob Meyerson
Yes. I was in college. I had just, you know, done my first internship with NASA at that time. Yes. And the shuttle blew up and it's like, oh, it's so. The space industry is so hard. Like it's just people, things take a long time, they take a lot of money. People persevere. It's not an industry for the faint of heart. The work is hard. It takes a lot of effort, a lot of grinding. And so seeing that there's so many people working in it, we've almost refreshed the entire space talent density, space talent base over the last 10, 15 years, and I'm proud to have been a part of that Building Blue Origin and in the next phase, seeing operating on the lunar surface as a real career path for young people. Coming out of college, that's the next thing that I'm really excited about being a part of.
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Jacob Goldstein
People graduate and say, I want to work on the moon.
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Rob Meyerson
I want to build robots and systems that operate on the moon and build the next factories in space. I think that's a great thing to put on the resume. So come talk to us.
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Jacob Goldstein
We'll be back in a minute with the lightning round.
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Jacob Goldstein
with a lightning round. What's one thing you learned working for Jeff Bezos?
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Rob Meyerson
Oh gosh, keep your cool,
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Jacob Goldstein
Jeff.
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Rob Meyerson
It's.
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Jacob Goldstein
Wait, stay with. Why keep your cool. I love that answer.
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Rob Meyerson
Jeff's wonderful. I really love Jeff. Yeah, he has. I just listened to another podcast. It was with Jeff Wilkie who ran Amazon Retail, and there was a time when he went to Jeff Bezos and said, you're coming up with so many ideas rapidly that it's hurting the company. And I want to qualify this by saying when I ran Blue origin, We spent nine years below 200 people. So we were a very small company being led by me, but owned by Jeff, who would come in and had new ideas all the time and fabulous ideas. I wanted to do all of them, but we were never at the scale to do it. But a lot of those, it's hard when you've always got new ideas coming at you. It does really affects, you know, it does affect the pace you think we'll
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Jacob Goldstein
find extraterrestrial life in your lifetime.
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Rob Meyerson
I hope we still keep looking and I hope we continue to look and you know, I don't know, I don't know the answer to that, but it's worth looking.
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Jacob Goldstein
Do you think you'll go to space?
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Rob Meyerson
Me personally, probably the opportunity to go to space would have been on New
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Jacob Goldstein
Shepard, the Blue Origin. Did you have that opportunity? Did you choose not to go?
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Rob Meyerson
I did not have that opportunity, but I would say that that would have been the one opportunity where it's a vehicle that I was involved in building. I trust the team that designed and operated it, you know, 100%. And unfortunately, Blue decided to pause that program and they're not, they're not flying that anymore. So I don't think my, you know, I'll have a chance to go, to go to space in my, my lifetime, but I think a lot of other people will, so. Yeah.
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Jacob Goldstein
What's the secret? What, what's one secret to running a barbecue restaurant
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Rob Meyerson
when you, you've done your, your, your homework? So my grandfather and my dad both operated restaurants and barbecue restaurants in Detroit. I worked for my dad for three or four years through high school. You know, the amount of work involved in not just being an entrepreneur, but owning a restaurant where you're serving people and your busiest day of the year is on Super Bowl Sunday when you just want to be home watching the game. Those are, you know, the amount of work to go, you know, to go do that. And you're hiring high school kids like me who want to be somewhere else. I think those are, you know, some of the secrets I took away. Work.
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Jacob Goldstein
The secret is work all the time. Not a secret.
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Rob Meyerson
Not a secret. But I picked up work ethic from my dad and my mom, too. And I think you need to, to do what we're doing here at Interlin. So it takes hard work.
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Jacob Goldstein
Thank you so much for your time. Good luck.
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Rob Meyerson
Thank you. Thank you, Jacob.
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Jacob Goldstein
Rob Meyerson is the co founder and CEO of Interlude. Today's show was produced by Gabriel Hunter Chang and edited by Lydia Jean Cottage. Our engineer this week was Hansdale Shih. We're always looking for ideas for who to talk to and what to cover on the show. You can email us at Problemushkin FM. You can find me on xacobgoldstein. You can find me on LinkedIn. I'm Jacob Goldstein. Thank you very much for listening to the show and we'll be back next week with another episode.
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