Kelsey Grammer (Re-Release)

Summary

Episode Summary: "Where Everybody Knows Your Name with Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson (sometimes)" – Featuring Kelsey Grammer

Podcast Information:

• Title: Where Everybody Knows Your Name with Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson (sometimes)
• Hosts: Ted Danson & Woody Harrelson
• Guest: Kelsey Grammer
• Episode: Kelsey Grammer (Re-Release)
• Release Date: April 16, 2025

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Introduction

In this heartfelt episode of Where Everybody Knows Your Name, Ted Danson and Woody Harrelson reconnect with their longtime friend and Cheers co-star, Kelsey Grammer. Together, they revisit cherished memories from their time on the iconic sitcom, delve into personal journeys, and explore profound topics such as loss, faith, and the enduring strength of friendship.

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Reuniting on Shared Memories

Revisiting the Cheers Era

The conversation kicks off with nostalgic reminiscences about their eight-year stint together on Cheers. Ted Danson reflects on the daily interactions that cemented their bond:

Ted Danson [00:43]: "Every day making each other giggle, laugh, sharing our lives."

Kelsey Grammer adds humor by recalling how they navigated the ensemble cast dynamics:

Kelsey Grammer [00:35]: "Oh, yeah, we had some fun."

Establishing Lasting Friendships

They delve into their relationships with other cast members, particularly Kathy McGrath, sharing anecdotes that highlight their camaraderie:

Kelsey Grammer [02:09]: "We had a bit of a relationship on and off."

Ted shares a lighthearted story about his sailboat and the humorous consequences of a conversation with Kelsey's wife, showcasing the playful dynamics among them:

Ted Danson [02:44]: "I froze. And I thought, what could I possibly say?... So I sold the boat."

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Kelsey Grammer’s Personal Journey

Memoir Insights: "Karen: At Brother's Remembrance"

Kelsey Grammer opens up about his forthcoming memoir, detailing the profound impact of his late sister Karen:

Kelsey Grammer [02:37]: "It's really what the book is about... how connected she was to other people in the family."

Navigating Tragedy and Loss

He shares deeply personal stories, including the tragic deaths of his grandfather and father, and the emotional toll it took on him:

Kelsey Grammer [13:26]: "He was killed by a taxi cab driver... it was kind of like, we'll get the white guy."

These experiences, Kelsey explains, were pivotal in steering him toward the arts as a means of coping and expressing himself:

Kelsey Grammer [15:58]: "The death of Gordon and the subsequent loss of my dad... turned me toward art."

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Coping with Loss Through Creativity

Embracing the Arts as a Sanctuary

Kelsey delves into how Shakespeare and theatre provided solace during his darkest times, allowing him to endure and find dignity amidst chaos:

Kelsey Grammer [16:04]: "Shakespeare turned me toward art... endure the whips and scorns of time."

Overcoming Substance Abuse

He candidly discusses his struggles with substance abuse as a form of self-medication to escape the pain of his losses:

Kelsey Grammer [21:35]: "It was more radical than medicating... I got pretty close on it."

Ted and Woody empathize, reflecting on how their own friendships provided support during tumultuous periods.

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Family and Relationships

Building a Large, Loving Family

The trio shares stories about their families, highlighting the joys and challenges of parenthood:

Ted Danson [46:21]: "I'm never happier than when I have all of my kids in the same room."

Kelsey speaks emotionally about his children and the support system his wife provides:

Kelsey Grammer [45:47]: "We had a beautiful girl named Faith... and then we had Gabriel."

Enduring Friendships and Support Systems

They reminisce about their enduring friendships and the importance of mutual support, both on and off the set:

Woody Harrelson [72:36]: "It's always a real occasion when we get together."

Kelsey Grammer [72:36]: "It is a joy to know you. It always has been."

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Faith and Spirituality

Kelsey’s Spiritual Awakening

Kelsey shares a transformative spiritual experience aboard a plane, which solidified his faith and influenced his creative endeavors:

Kelsey Grammer [58:38]: "Jesus is sitting next to me and talking to me... I was saved."

He discusses how his upbringing in Christian Science and a deep spiritual belief system helped him navigate through personal tragedies:

Kelsey Grammer [58:37]: "Sin, disease and death are not real. All is infinite mind and its infinite manifestations."

Woody’s Spiritual Exploration

Woody Harrelson reflects on his own journey, transitioning from considering ministry to embracing a more hedonistic lifestyle, and later finding renewed spiritual insight through literature:

Woody Harrelson [66:00]: "I read Autobiography of a Yogi and realized there is a God."

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Reflections and Life Lessons

Embracing Free Will and Destiny

The conversation touches on the balance between free will and destiny, emphasizing the importance of making conscious, positive choices:

Kelsey Grammer [71:00]: "We are meant to enjoy the ride and we're supposed to have free will."

Ted adds his perspective on enjoying life’s unpredictability and finding control through personal agency:

Ted Danson [65:27]: "We are supposed to have free will. We are definitely here for free will."

Cherishing the Present Moment

Both hosts and Kelsey stress the significance of living in the moment, making the best choices, and appreciating the connections that define their lives:

Ted Danson [70:42]: "Try to be a little better every day."

Kelsey Grammer [70:43]: "You do know what the best choice is in every moment."

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Conclusion

The episode culminates in a heartfelt affirmation of their enduring friendships and the lasting impact of their time on Cheers. Ted, Woody, and Kelsey express gratitude for the shared experiences that have shaped their lives and careers, reinforcing the podcast’s theme of connection and recognition.

Kelsey Grammer [72:36]: "It is a joy to know you. It always has been."

Ted Danson [73:05]: "Without Cheers, I would not be sitting here talking to you guys."

This episode not only serves as a nostalgic trip down memory lane but also offers profound insights into personal growth, resilience, and the unbreakable bonds formed through shared history.

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Notable Quotes

• Ted Danson [00:43]: "Every day making each other giggle, laugh, sharing our lives."
• Kelsey Grammer [02:37]: "It's really what the book is about... how connected she was to other people in the family."
• Kelsey Grammer [58:38]: "Jesus is sitting next to me and talking to me... I was saved."
• Woody Harrelson [66:00]: "I read Autobiography of a Yogi and realized there is a God."
• Ted Danson [70:42]: "Try to be a little better every day."
• Kelsey Grammer [72:36]: "It is a joy to know you. It always has been."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Where Everybody Knows Your Name is a touching exploration of friendship, personal struggles, and the search for meaning beyond fame. Through candid conversations and shared laughter, Ted, Woody, and Kelsey offer listeners a window into their lives, celebrating the enduring connections that make their bond unbreakable.

Transcript

[Ted Danson]

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[Woody Harrelson]

I certainly used to love partying with you.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, yeah, we had some fun.

[Ted Danson]

I was way too chicken. Welcome back to where everybody knows your name. As some of you know, we're going to be revisiting some of our favorite episodes from last year before coming back in a few weeks with all new interviews. This week, we wanted to share our conversation with Kelsey Grammer, aka Dr. Frazier Crane. Kelsey is such a wise, deep soul who's seen both sides of life and he's written a memoir about his late sister Karen who comes up in this conversation. It's called Karen at brother remembers and it comes out on May 6. Without further ado, Kelsey Graham. It's so strange. Here we are, we, the three of us spent what, eight, at least eight years together. Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I was on the show for nine. Nine came in the third year.

[Ted Danson]

Right, Right.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah.

[Ted Danson]

And every day making each other giggle, laugh, sharing our lives. And I know a lot about you. Really? Well, I mean. No, I mean.

[Kelsey Grammer]

But I know what you mean. Yeah. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Compared to the body of your work is just astounding.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you.

[Ted Danson]

Theater, films.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, all that. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Books.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, Books. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Anyway, we should reminisce first.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, we should. I mean, I remember. Well, you were a theater guy.

[Ted Danson]

No.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Weren't you?

[Ted Danson]

I tried to be a theater guy.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Wasn't. Didn't Kathy McGrath do cheers once? And weren't you in a production with her previously? I remember that because I'd done some Shakespeare with her. So we were old pals when she came and did Cheers. It was just so funny. We had a bit of a relationship on and off. Again. Just recently, we watched the rerun and Kate said, you know, how do you know her? Here we go again. Indictment. 35 years before. It just never goes away.

[Ted Danson]

And my go to is to immediately get embarrassed and lie.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I realized that wasn't going to do me any good. It just never does. Uh. Oh, that's just. I'm just riffing out. It's the same. It's a similar story. You know, I used to have a sailboat. I used to have it during Cheers and definitely, definitely during Fraser and went sailing all the time. I'd go twice a week when we were in the beginning years of Fraser. And when I met Kate, I finally said, you gotta come see the boat. It's my pride and joy. And so I took her down to the marina and stepped aboard and I said, come on, babe, you know, step on board. And I helped her up. I went and pulled the hatch open and slid it forward and went down the ladder and stepped into the cockpit or down below in the galley. And from behind me I hear a voice that says, have you ever had sex on this boat? I just froze. And I thought, what could I possibly say? I had the boat for 25 years. So I just bit it and turned around and looked her in the eye and I said, yes. And she said, well, then I'm not going out on it.

[Woody Harrelson]

Hey.

[Kelsey Grammer]

So I sold the boat. But, you know, more power to her. Yeah. And it was the right thing.

[Ted Danson]

You guys are together and have many kids for a good reason.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yes, exactly.

[Ted Danson]

She sets in boundaries.

[Kelsey Grammer]

She's the sacred relationship I was looking for.

[Woody Harrelson]

No, it is great. I will say about Kate, it's like. It's like finding the holy grail. Just like Teddy, just like Jimmy. Like you guys, you know, you had some. Oh, yeah, sometimes as well. And then you just hit the jackpots, you know, Debbie and Mary and.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks, buddy.

[Ted Danson]

Let's throw Laura in there.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And Laura too. We watched. We watched Back to the Future 3 last night at home with the kids. Yeah. Saw Mary, of course.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, hanging off of a steam. Steam engine.

[Ted Danson]

She was so proud of that moment because she did all of the stunt right up until the transfer.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Right. Smart.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, it's like, you know, that would have been foolish.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's good. She's lovely in it. She's so good in it. They're. They're wonderful in that movie, you know, the two of them just. The love is really something. It's. It's really wonderful to see.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. Just because you didn't say his name. I just totally blanked on his name. Lloyd. Lloyd.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Christopher Lloyd.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. That's so funny. We should just talk about co stars and see if all three of us have worked with them.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, you know what? Actually that's not a bad idea. I bet we cross in quite a few places. But Christopher, Lloyd and I are actually related.

[Ted Danson]

Did you do follow your roots? Trying to find your roots.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Kate punches in him once in a while, you know, people who are related to other people, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And because I did do that show who do youo Think youk Are Right.

[Ted Danson]

With Lisa.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Yeah. They got my 23. You know, they got em. So it. It keeps coming up. It goes all the way back. Christopher Lloyd's in there. Meghan Markle's in there. Henry VIII is in there. It's pretty funny. It goes way back. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

You and I, once you connect into either church or royalty, the paper trail goes forever.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. It's huge.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's our latest.

[Ted Danson]

If you're like Mary, who's. She did find your roots. And her big thing wasn't God, I hope we don't have slavery in our family, which was at that time was a. People were ducking that like crazy, you know, and. But hers was, oh, dear God, don't let me be boring. And the first thing. First thing came out was, do you know what your great grandfather did?

[Kelsey Grammer]

No.

[Ted Danson]

No. And you're on camera, so you have to get excited. No, what? He was a wood chopper.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Ah, that's about it.

[Ted Danson]

She's going, shoot me now. It got better. It got better. That's funny.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, there's. Slavery's been a very popular thing for a long time. You know, it's pretty hard to avoid some of it in the past, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years of it. And we're still working at it, obviously.

[Ted Danson]

Clearly.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. Wow. Okay. As. As we take a pause, wondering how deep to go. Yeah. Woody, what are you eating, buddy? You're on camera. You know, we can see it.

[Woody Harrelson]

I'll stop right now. Stopping right now, Daddy.

[Kelsey Grammer]

So do you enjoy paprikash over there? You enjoying the paprika? I mean, the, The Hungarians are really good at it.

[Woody Harrelson]

The paprika.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. You know, Hungarian paprikash is, you know. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

But it's mostly on meat.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Red pepper. Yeah, mostly on meat. Oh, that's right. He's doing the raw. Well, you should still use the spice, buddy. You know, it's local spots.

[Woody Harrelson]

No, I'm. I, I can't wait to get some of that straight away.

[Kelsey Grammer]

There we go.

[Ted Danson]

All right.

[Woody Harrelson]

Just for fun, because people sitting there together. I wish I was there.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I wish you were, too.

[Woody Harrelson]

Hey, can I. Can I go back to. Because, you know, I didn't know until I was researching that you went to this, this preparatory school in Fort Lauderdale, and that's where you started singing and dancing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's right. Pine Crest. Yeah. Pine Crest Preparatory School.

[Ted Danson]

At age. At age what, 14?

[Woody Harrelson]

Yeah. So tell me about it. What was it? How was it? And I mean, was it, like, hard to get in and.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I don't actually know. I was used to. I was a smart kid when I was little. You know, when I was younger, I, you know, put that to rest after I reached adulthood. But my grades were always good. I was always in the honor roll when I was a boy, so it was easy for me to get into those kind of places. And I had a pretty good record. In fact, when I came from New Jersey, I went to sixth grade in New Jersey at a place called Rumson Country Day School. And that was a year ahead of Pine Crest. So when I got to seventh grade, I basically coasted for a year. And that may have been a mistake, but in eighth grade, a guy came to school named Richard Mitten was his name. Fabulous guy. He's no longer with us, but he walked into every classroom and he said, I want every boy in here to come and audition for choir. So we all thought, well, what the hell, okay? And went in, and most of the boys sang Yesterday. All my troubles seem so far away. And we'd come out, and he said, what's your voice? And he said, oh, you're a lyric tenor or you're this. And I was a bass baritone. So that was when I started singing. And we started a thing. There was a thing called the Singing Pines because of Pine Crest. So we wore tuxedos and roughly, you know, frilly little shirts and stuff. And at one point, they. We rescinded the hair coat because I was on the 10th grade student council, and we got rid of the hair coat, so we all grew our hair out. But then the next year, a new guy came in and said the hair coat was reinstated. So I asked if they would mind if I wore a wig, and they said, well, no, as long as the collar, you know, the hair doesn't go over the collar. So I bought. I went down and bought a Jane Fonda wig, which was basically the haircut from Barbarella. And I took it home, and I cut off the back of it, and I wore it over my. Over my hair. I put it in a ponytail and put it on top of my head, stick the wig on top of that. And they weren't embarrassed to have me walking around looking like that. So I wasn't embarrassed either. It was pretty awful.

[Ted Danson]

You came from music, right? I mean, your mom.

[Kelsey Grammer]

My mom and dad were musicians. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

And your father was a musician. So was that not foreign to you? Were you around that? Did you.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, you know, my mom had us play, do some piano lessons when we Were pretty young, took us to tennis, tennis lessons, swimming. We used to swim a lot. Pine Crest was a big swimming school, and I started swimming there, and I did the diving team for a while, but it was a huge school. It was a. A school where the coach of the women's Olympic team was the coach there, and he was. He was a big deal. Jack Nelson. We had a kid there, Andy something, who was the first swimmer to prove that the butterfly was actually faster than the crawl, which was amazing. And he set, like, state and world records for a while. So it was a school of overachievers. It was. It was a great place to go to school, honestly. And. And then I got, you know, I went to. I went to Juilliard, out of there, and they were. They were all very impressed at that. And of course, I got thrown out and they were all very sad about.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, you got thrown. You got thrown out for a reason, though. Can we. Can we back up just a little bit?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

I know you're writing a book about some of the tragedy in. In your life, in your family, which we can talk about or not later, but you. You. You had a lot going on as a kid in your family.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Did. Were you. Do you think there's any sense of finding harbor in creativity because of having to deal with.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's Good question.

[Ted Danson]

Divorce and death and all of that.

[Kelsey Grammer]

What's great is, I mean, I did finish the book on my sister. It's just called Karen, and it'll be published pretty soon. We're working on the final draft and some pictures now. Well, imagine.

[Ted Danson]

Do you want to talk about it now or is that all right? Sure.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I stepped away from. I stepped away from that. Right now I just have to do some notes that they're going to try to give me, but, I mean, I'm pretty, you know, recalcitrant. I'm not going to really change the book a lot at this point, but it does cover most of the stuff that you're asking about. And so in the early days, my mom and dad divorced when I was two and a half. Basically. I moved in with my grandfather, Gordon. He was my light. I also, in the book, I actually discover, as I've never really quite enumerated it, I've never really said that. I actually came here, I think, for my grandfather to be his son. And I was. And that was great. But then, of course, he died when I was 12, and that was a. That was a big, big hit that took the air right out of us. And then a couple of years later, that was the year we actually started at Pine Crest. And then a couple years later, my dad got shot. And I didn't really know him very well. I'd gotten to know him a little.

[Ted Danson]

Bit as a young adult or when I was 12.

[Kelsey Grammer]

When I was 12, just after Gordon died. Gordon's my granddad. My dad got.

[Woody Harrelson]

Was that political? That was a political. I always thought that, you know, what it was, honestly, Government.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, he was. He was a bit of a loudmouth, I guess you could say. He had a radio show down in. In the Virgin Islands, and he taught a lot of fairly famous reggae guys and. And calypso music. Guys gave him music lessons. But he was killed by a taxi cab driver who. It was a couple days after Martin Luther King was shot. And so there was a political overtone to it. It was kind of like, we'll get the white guy. You know, it was just one of those things. And he was.

[Ted Danson]

Where are we? What's the good target?

[Kelsey Grammer]

St. Thomas, U.S. virgin Islands. And. But I heard years later that they actually drew straws who was going to kill him. So it was that sort of a strange, you know, grouping there. There's a. I don't know the full story of it. There's the Arawaks and the Caribs down in. Down in the Virgin Islands and in that Caribbean area. One side, apparently, was always very violent, and the other side was always very peaceful. But so once in a while, every few years, there's kind of like a surge in whatever it is. I mean, maybe it's bigger than us. Maybe it's some sort of rhythmic tide that comes into people's beings and then they. They go on a bit of a rampage. And maybe he got swept on some of that. Some of that. My buddy John Miller's dad was shot in St. Croix one year on a golf course. It was a famous incident, but, you know, they took a machine gun and killed, like three golfers. It was just, you know, it's just odd stuff.

[Ted Danson]

Right? Wow. So you were with your mom at that point?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Mom and Gam and Karen. Yeah, yeah, the three women.

[Ted Danson]

And even though you had just kind of reunited with your dad.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, it was really only the one meeting. We saw him for one dinner just about six months before he was killed.

[Ted Danson]

Can you think back to that? 12 year old, 13 year old. I mean, I put my adult brain and go, oh, my God, what a hit to my life. Who I am, or what does this mean about life? Was there. Did you put weight Other than the tragedy of losing your father, did it start to inform you in some way, or did you.

[Kelsey Grammer]

No, no. You know what. What did happen was I was a math student. I was really good at math. And then the death of Gordon and the subsequent loss of my dad and stuff like that, it just seemed like those were the turning points for me to start moving toward art. I do think that happened as a result of. Let me turn that off.

[Ted Danson]

Is that another job?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. More bad news. But it was that. That turned me toward art. Shakespeare turned me toward art. The first time I read Julius Caesar. Turned me toward the idea that, you know, there's a way to sort of endure the whips and scorns of time, you know, and. And do it with dignity. And that was, you know, whatever. Whatever dignity I've been able to muster, but tons.

[Ted Danson]

My friends.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you. Woods knows.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

No, I mean, it just seemed like an. An unnatural amount of calamity, you know?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

Between.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. There. Was that.

[Woody Harrelson]

Your half brother.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Early death. Yeah, My. My half brother's in a shark attack. That was strange. Yeah. That was in the Virgin Islands, too. And they. They, of course, this. The. The city. They went and caught a bunch of sharks after that. And there was one of them they caught that actually fit the. The bite marks, fit the scarring on their. On their. On their diving equipment. And they didn't want to know about it, so they covered it up, you know. They didn't because it's tourism.

[Ted Danson]

Right.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, but I've got a letter about that.

[Ted Danson]

And. Were you close with them?

[Kelsey Grammer]

No, no, no. I hardly knew them. I got to know them a little bit when. When Gordon died. Afterward. When. During that visit. And then they came up and visited once after dad was gone.

[Ted Danson]

Right.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And I was the oldest child, so I sort of. Sort of filled in a little bit of a male presence thing for them a little bit, but not really.

[Ted Danson]

And your sister was alive when you're. When you're.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Karen was with us. Yeah. She died just before she turned 19.

[Ted Danson]

And you were how old?

[Kelsey Grammer]

I was 20.

[Ted Danson]

So you were at Juilliard or.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I'd been a Juilliard. Just got thrown out.

[Ted Danson]

Now, but. All right, before we get to Karen, if that's okay. Yeah, that's fine. Let's. Let's. You say that with a good laugh. So why did you get thrown out?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I'm still trying to figure it out. I think it was because I wasn't going to acting class.

[Ted Danson]

Being in acting school maybe, though. Why. Why weren't you?

[Kelsey Grammer]

I Didn't really like the guy that was teaching the class because it seemed to me he was a lot more interested in the girls in the class than the boys. And I thought, well, you know what? Okay, I'm not going to cast his versions past that. I've actually talked about this in the book some. He taught me a couple of things quite by chance, that stayed with me, which is kind of fascinating. And I've written about that in the book. So the book about Karen is basically about me as well. Our time, sort of. Our corresponding time together and in the same lane and in our different lanes until, of course, she was taken and how I have carried her ever since. And that's really what the book is about. I discovered a lot of things I didn't know.

[Ted Danson]

Say more about carried her.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Carried her with me. She's been with me in my heart ever since then, you know, always. All things were about Karen in a lot of ways. My. My ability to move on in life was hindered by the loss of her. But also my. My sense of sticking with things was also colored by the fact that Karen had been taken and that I wasn't going to quit. It was due in large part to some of her. Some of our story together. We were really close. We were a close brother and sister, maybe made closer by the fact that Gordon died so young. I didn't. Half the things I got to discover in writing the book was. And it was a great. It's been two and a half years I wrote, I worked on it was how connected she was to other people in the family. And I had actually had the arrogance of my own story, you know, was always like, oh, I lost Gordon. Then I realized for the first time, well, so did she. And that was a great discovery for me because they were closer than any two people I've ever seen in my life. And that was a. It was a beautiful thing to see. And then it was a. It was also beautiful to understand that it must have really, really broken her too. And that was a. That was a hard time for both of us.

[Ted Danson]

What's the name of the book? Do you have one yet? Karen.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Karen.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. And that's. I don't know, months before it's ready to publish.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Honestly, I don't know what they're waiting for. Good for you to write. It's.

[Woody Harrelson]

It's like. It's really cool that you taking this journey because I know for myself, I tend to anything that's, you know, too hot an issue. I just try to avoid it at all. Costs.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

I admire you for.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks, buddy. Thanks, man.

[Woody Harrelson]

Just doing this, dude. It's amazing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks, man. Thanks. It was a great, A great experience for me. It was really wonderful and my wife was really supportive of it. You know, I'd walk in and I mean, for a while I was like, not available. I mean, through some of it. And she'd say, what are you doing? I said, you know, and she'd say, okay, you do what you got to do.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And. But I. I could always pull myself out a couple hours a day was what I was doing. And then I'd be with the kids and working some.

[Ted Danson]

Right. Well, you amaze me because not everybody gets hit in life with as many really earth shattering stuff that you have. And I know you went through a period where we all knew you, where I guess it was, you could say, or is it trite to say, self medicating.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think it's just a selfless. It was. I was engineering escape. That's really what it was. I mean, medicating. Yeah, it was more radical than medicating.

[Woody Harrelson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was radical.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And listen, some of the stories are great stories. I mean, I had a wonderful time in the midst of it, which is kind of extraordinary because that sort of lust for life thing is part of what drove it as well. But, you know, then you realize, well, there's only so many of these you can keep doing without, you know, without just finally just collapsing. Yeah. And yeah, I got pretty close on it.

[Ted Danson]

That's how we grew. Grew to know and love you part partly during that period, which when you say it wasn't all bad or whatever, it was magnificent. From my vantage point, you know, I. Speaking.

[Woody Harrelson]

I used to, I certainly used to love partying with you.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh yeah, we had some fun.

[Ted Danson]

I was way too chicken.

[Woody Harrelson]

But, you know, I remember. Do you remember that time we went to Idaho?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Absolutely. I was just thinking about it now because I was in. I was, I relieved myself just before I came in. And honestly, as I was sitting there, I thought to myself, I remember that time in the men's room in McCall, Idaho, with Woody, and I was talking about how beautiful America is and how wonderful Americans are and how they embrace the extraordinary. They. We. We are a group of people that love exceptional behavior and that's. That's who we are. I mean, and I remember talking about Olga Corbett, this little kid from Romania, wherever she was from, comes in and blows people away against the first 10 in the history of, of the Olympics. In gymnastics. And America loved her. That was.

[Woody Harrelson]

What was her name? Nadia Cominic.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, Cominic. Oh, was it. Cominic was first.

[Woody Harrelson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Okay. But anyway, it was the first one to get the pin, but it was just amazing, you know, And I. And I realized this, this. This sort of monologue that I delivered from. From the Throne on this day with. With Woods. We were in some club somewhere and it was just a. It was just a magnificent memory for me. And then, you know, you. I mean, just the greatest time.

[Woody Harrelson]

So it was so fun. Yeah. We were actually gone. Teddy, I don't know if you remember, because there was someone connected to Cheers.

[Kelsey Grammer]

The sound guy. Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

And he was doing a radio station and he said, we come do an interview and blah, blah, blah. Of course we come, guns blazing, barreled into Idaho. We were going hard. And. And they know how to go hard in Idaho. But. But I do remember that in the bathroom, so well, because I remember at the time, I was so upset about America and all. I mean, you gotta. You gotta separate America, the people from America, the government, which. The government. They never cease to amaze me. But. But then, you know, when we were there, you know, I was conflating everything and you were like, no, America, Americans. You know, and that speech had a huge impact on me. You get.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I still believe that about us, you know, I really do.

[Ted Danson]

Me too.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, I just. I just. I follow the goodness. I've been doing this sort of. He's called an angel healer, this guy. And just recently in one of our sessions, he. He said, well, I asked the angels one time, I asked him, you know, what's the ratio and. Of really, really crappy people.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

To really good people. And he said, Honestly, it's about 70, 30, which is, you know, 70 is good. That sounds about right. And we both sort of laughed a little bit and said, I've spent a lot of time in the 30s. It's. Cause 30s are drawn to people of great passion and success. And, you know, and we arguably all sustain that, you know, or achieve that. And the 30s are around in these areas and they're often.

[Woody Harrelson]

You used to hang out.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

Very questionable thoughts.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I had a good bash. Yeah, I had a good batch. Just about two steps ahead of the law.

[Ted Danson]

And, you know, I'm listening to you and I feel like people can see that I'm actually wearing a nun's habit because I am so. I am so safe in my world. I go, oh, no, no, no, no, thanks. I'll catch up with you later. I'll meet you in Idaho but I won't actually get on the plane.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah I always thought you should have been on the plane once in a while.

[Ted Danson]

I know I should have.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I've heard some good things in the world, you know. Good. Some good stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And met great people too. But that's I always believed in the 70. I always thought the 70 were and.

[Ted Danson]

You know, because the who you are is you're a flood comes through and or you're no, you're having an argument about whether there's climate change or not and then a flood comes through and everybody drops their point of view and rescues each other and has so human their bounty of love and caring and nurturing and they pull people out of the water. Don't ask each other what your politics are or what your belief system is.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Not at that time.

[Ted Danson]

But you know, I mean maybe we're.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Getting there, maybe we're getting to where like excuse me, before I pull you out of there, who'd you vote for? Oh, sorry. Let them go.

[Ted Danson]

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[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you.

[Ted Danson]

You know, first time the audience. But my personal memory of that time, those first. We were, we were basketball players, or so we thought.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Perhaps, perhaps Woody was. But, but we all, you know, thought of ourselves and we would play vicious basketball with each other right before we were supposed to run and start performing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Right.

[Ted Danson]

But you on this asphalt plain basketball court were barefoot.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

You played barefoot.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I grew up in Florida with the.

[Ted Danson]

Flattest shoes I've feet I've ever seen them.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I still have them. Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

Dead flat.

[Ted Danson]

Dead flat.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Suction on wet floors.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

How did you do that?

[Kelsey Grammer]

I don't know. You know what, I was just that beachcomber thing. Yeah. I mean, my feet were really tough back then. I mean, I'm still. I'm talking to a guy, like, on Monday about getting my feet fixed. Finally.

[Ted Danson]

Here's another example of you two renegades. Renegades is your motorcycles. Oh, yeah, both of you. Woody, who. I saved his life the other day. Came in wounded from a. I heard something about this.

[Kelsey Grammer]

What the hell?

[Ted Danson]

But you.

[Woody Harrelson]

The last. The last vestige. Oh, there it is.

[Kelsey Grammer]

So did you land on your hand? Is that what happened? Did you just.

[Woody Harrelson]

I landed on this hand, yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Sorry, man, that's tough.

[Woody Harrelson]

It would have been much worse, I tell you. I ended up very, very lucky, so I got it.

[Ted Danson]

But speaking of luck, you used to jump on your motorcycle, if I remember correctly, in shorts, a T shirt, and flip flops.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Absolutely.

[Ted Danson]

And roar off to work, where we were always about 15 minutes late.

[Kelsey Grammer]

About 15, yeah. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

But didn't you get run off the road once by somebody who was pissed off?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, God, yeah. In New York City, that happened. It's happened a couple times around the country. I mean, across country a couple times. There was one. One trucker I was drafting off of him. He didn't like me doing that, so he would. He would. He'd drive off into the. Into the shoulder a little bit and spray pebbles on my face, you know, 100 miles an hour. I thought, oh, this is fun. I actually saw him pull into a truck stop. I followed him. I walked up to him at the counter where he was having breakfast, says, excuse me, I understand that you have an issue about this. I said, honestly, I'm trying to make the next couple hundred miles in as little stress as possible. Drafting off of you was really helping me. Would you mind if maybe we arranged this so we're both happy about it? And he said, no, okay, I'd be glad to help you.

[Ted Danson]

Damn.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's that good part about Americans. That's what's in there.

[Woody Harrelson]

But by the way, yeah, that's the good part about Americans. You as an American, like, you know me, I just would have walked up.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And punched him up.

[Woody Harrelson]

Shout the guy, you know, or worse, you know, Like, I love how you can. It's amazing how you can do that.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I love people, and I love Americans. You know, this is the thing I really do love.

[Ted Danson]

That's the right way. I don't think maybe Woody's is the right way, and mine certainly isn't. I would have gone up and apologized for getting in the way of his gravel or something.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, one time, Woody and I. Woody and I were in London. We went to some club. What was it called? Was it called the Palladium?

[Woody Harrelson]

No, it was the Hippodrome.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Hippodrome. Okay, so the Hippodrome. So woods and I are kind of trying to get in this, and this girl says something about, we. I don't know what happened to. Sort of lit her off a little bit. But, you know, English people and Americans, we're still having trouble with that. But she looked at Woody and said, well, that's rude. And he said, oh, yeah? How's this for rude? And he grabs a handful of candies right in front of her and sort of throws them. I said, oh, shit. And I saw. I saw these two huge, like, Cockney guys start moving toward Woods. I said, we're out of here. Let's go. We gotta get down. They just decked them.

[Ted Danson]

What you didn't know is I came. I was there, and I came in after you guys and picked up all the candy and bought him some more.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And made a mess. It was lovely.

[Ted Danson]

I'm so fucked.

[Kelsey Grammer]

But we had fun there, too. I mean.

[Ted Danson]

All right, here's another. This is all things Kels. Okay? Here's one of the things about you that I hope is not as incredible as it used to be, because it would still piss me off. Your photographic memory of you would walk through rehearsals at Cheers with a script in your hand because you genuinely didn't know the lines up until then. You would go have dinner and you'd come back and we'd start performing, and it would be word, comma, perfect. And we all kind of marveled. How the fuck did you do that? And you would do it also when, if I might say, under the influence.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Ted Danson]

During that period. And you're. You look like you couldn't possibly get through a performance. You'd turn around and come back and be astoundingly brilliant.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you.

[Ted Danson]

But what is that brain thing? Are you. Photographic memory?

[Kelsey Grammer]

What is that? It's probably just a muscle that approximates photographic, but it's not. If I have to, I can get it in there. I still do it. I do it at Frasier now because, you know, you play the same character for so long, like I have, and I just find it kind of more exciting to not be on book, to not know it, to sort of have a general idea. And because I played the role for so long now, I mean, I pick better words than most of the guys can. And I trust that the process is going to actually spill out the best result if it's A really good joke and it's written really well. I'll remember it.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

If it's, if it's one that is I can trust to approximation and then sort of wait for, you know, the creative spirit to strike in the, in the midst of it. I do that. So it's a kind of improvisational memorization, but it does unnerve people. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

My definition of a well written joke is one that I can totally fuck up and it's still funny.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's still funny. That's actually good. That's about it. Yeah, that's a good definition.

[Woody Harrelson]

It was wild how. I mean, I guess it's okay we broached the subject but like used to be under the influence moments of all these things and still. And, and you know, you know how it would kind of get you in a high state of.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. And.

[Woody Harrelson]

And see, you just nail it. Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Energize. Yeah, let's say energize and then you nail.

[Woody Harrelson]

It was like that's what he just did was actually impossible. Like I don't, I don't understand how he could do that, you know, because.

[Ted Danson]

You didn't have this. We, Woody and I had the slow dumb joke. We were the slow dumb funny joke.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh yeah, that's true. No, Fraser had to have the.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, you were, you were saying paragraphs of complicated shit and nailing it. You really were amazing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I like language, you know, that was always a strong point for me. So. Yeah, I guess. I mean, honestly, I did cocaine and booze. Those are the two things I did. I never did anything else really. I mean I was never into marijuana or you know, some of the other stuff. So cocaine and Jackie ups, booze and slow you down. Somewhere in the middle is where I'd end up. But I always would go to bed. There were a couple of times when I stayed up. Oh, a couple nights. But mostly I had. There was some sort of a governor that was saying, you gotta go to bed now, you gotta go to sleep, you gotta catch up, you gotta be. I was still working out most of the time, so I stayed fairly robust even during a time of great sort of, you know, self. Self destruction.

[Woody Harrelson]

I have to, in fairness, in fairness, when you say you had this governor inside you saying go to bed. You'd go to bed at 6:30 in.

[Kelsey Grammer]

The morning, get a couple hours and.

[Woody Harrelson]

Go get a couple hours in. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

It's funny, a lot of people who can get away with what you did have the constitution of an ox.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

I mean your body. I know you Had a moment where your body went, yo, you guys go calm down.

[Kelsey Grammer]

No more. Yeah, right, right. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

But by and large, how old are you now?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Strong. 69.

[Ted Danson]

I mean, you're a magnificent beast.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you, sir. Thank you. You really are.

[Woody Harrelson]

Do you think it also had to do with. Because I've always credited the way you would eat like you would, it would take you, you know, you'd still be on your first morsel when we were done with our food.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, that's right.

[Ted Danson]

I do, I do.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I always savored food.

[Woody Harrelson]

He used to eat so slow, no rush. And I just felt like that kind of helped your.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It probably did as well. It's a very good, Very observant. I think that may actually be something, you may be onto something there. Yeah, I mean, I've gone up and down with weight a little bit, but I think, I think mostly that was probably booze, actually. I think that was probably, you know, when my weight would balloon a little bit. It was like during a, I was on a traveling kind of spree. I was going to New York City a lot or whatever. I was in Manhattan. A little bit of debauchery, a little bit of food, maybe a little overindulgence in that kind of stuff as well. And then I picked up some weight and then I finally thought, no, I'm gonna. So I weigh around 210 most of the time. Time now that's about where I like to be.

[Ted Danson]

So whatever it is, it's working.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks, buddy.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, I wish, you know, I, I, I make jokes and I swore to myself that I would not be the self deprecating guy, which is a problem I have. And I notice it on podcasts. It's like I, they spend hours trying to cut it out, but I, I, this isn't self deprecating, but it's I, I wish I, I feel like I got stuck a little bit with you during the Cheers years. I have a memory of getting angry at you once.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You came and told me that one day and it was good.

[Ted Danson]

Stuck in both of our memories. But I feel like, I don't know, I feel like a, I, I missed out on the last 30 years of Kelsey Grammer and I, I feel like I want, it's my bad, my doing. And I, I almost feel like apologizing to you. I know. I don't feel like I apologize.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you.

[Ted Danson]

To you and me. I wish we sat back, you know, and didn't. And I, I really do apologize.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks. Yeah, you said something wonderful to me though, too. That I've always. I quote to other people. When I turned 40, you came up and he said, you know what it means, don't you, now that you're 40? Means you're finally worth having a conversation with. That was fucking brilliant. I always loved that. And I thought, and I've repeated it and. And my love for you has always been as easy as the day, you know, as easy as the day mine to you, you know, so, yeah, you know, whatever.

[Ted Danson]

What an amazing thing that we. That. That time we all spent together. You can go off in different directions. You can have different lives, but that bond, that love of making something really funny and really good and cracking each other up and. And going through life and still showing up. Like Jimmy said, I don't care what you crazy people do during the week, just show up on shoot night and be funny just once. That's all I need.

[Kelsey Grammer]

He recently said we were doing an interview together and he said I always had the. You got to have an oar in the water. I'd never heard him express this before, but he said, yeah, as long as everybody's got their oar in the water and they're pulling, then I'm happy. I thought, yeah, makes a lot of sense. And that's. We're still working together. I mean, we. He's done, you know, he does four shows of the last bunch and it's been. It's been great working with him.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

He's like my daddy. Show business, really. Probably all of ours to some extent.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Question.

[Woody Harrelson]

Well, my God, what a man, what a guy.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Amazing.

[Woody Harrelson]

Yeah. So. So how many have you started on your second season?

[Kelsey Grammer]

We finished the second. We're, you know, so we've got 20 show. I mean, it's so weird, this new sort of model of, you know, the streaming thing. 10 shows is all they kind of do.

[Woody Harrelson]

Oh. Oh, you already did.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, we're finished. Yeah, we finished last season.

[Woody Harrelson]

Second season. They're just 10 shows.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Yeah, it's a little. So it's kind of like finishing the first season. So what's been fun about it is I've gotten to stand back and watch a little bit, and that cast is really coming together. They're really fun to watch. We've hit some stuff that I was. I thought we might hit, but it happened faster than I anticipated. And the shows have been as good as anything I've ever done.

[Ted Danson]

What's that like? I mean, you have this template, two or three different templates for Frasier. Is it hard to let go of Your expectations or memories of what it. You know, and compare it to others and let it be what it is.

[Kelsey Grammer]

No, it's been. It's. That's been easy for me.

[Ted Danson]

Oh, good.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Because this one, you know, I was. I was in the birthing room for this one, you know, I was. I was pulling the baby out of.

[Ted Danson]

The, you know, so literally in the writer's room.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

So it's been. It's been really good. It's been really, really fun. And I still leave the writers mostly alone, but in the very first draft of the pilot. But we did a lot of back and forth for that.

[Ted Danson]

Speaking of kids.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Spencer. Spencer, yeah, we all met. Spencer.

[Kelsey Grammer]

41 years old now. Kate.

[Ted Danson]

You remember my daughter Kate.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Of course. She's 44, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Ted Danson]

About to have a baby.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, good.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, good for her. Is this the first one?

[Woody Harrelson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, no kidding. Wow.

[Ted Danson]

Very exciting.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, that's great. Well, it's great that people can have babies, you know, a little bit further along now. It's really lovely. And we had, we. I mean, honestly, Kate and I, we got. We were pregnant three times before we had a baby that were just, you know, it was natural. And then we started lose. We lost a couple of babies and we thought, boy, this is tough. Not. Not good. So. But then, you know, God smiled on us and we had a beautiful girl named Faith, which is fantastic. What did it. And. And then the two boys came along and the second, the second boy came along. We. We were twins originally with Faith. And then we lost the boy when he was like 14 weeks. And we, we had to do some stuff that was not, Not a good thing for us. But when Kate was pregnant the second time, you know, I said, I was kind of proud. I kind of got her, you know, I said, so what do you think we're having? And she said, if we're not having a boy, then everything I believe is bullshit. We had a boy.

[Ted Danson]

Nice.

[Kelsey Grammer]

So that's Gabriel.

[Ted Danson]

You had seven kids, right?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Seven total.

[Ted Danson]

So really lockdown was just like normal life?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Ted Danson]

People around?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, yeah, pretty much. It was. Yeah. You know, some were. Some were coming and going, but yeah, our house is still full of kids. I mean, I got, I got my, My second child. Greer is in the home with us. Jude's with us some of the time. He's 19 now. He's going off to Emerson College in a couple of weeks. I'm going to drive him up Mason's now here. My 23 year old. I think she's 23. I always add a year. They always get pissed off at me. But I think. I think she's 23 and she's starting to work at the company now. So, you know, it's kind of like an apprentice kind of stuff. Doing. Yeah, doing production.

[Ted Danson]

I love that you said when you were describing your life, the ups, downs, but you're never happier than when you have all of your kids in the same room. And it's the truth. When we're surrounded by. We have. We're 13 to table. When you. When you count spouses and grandkids and everything, it's the best.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I don't. I don't do so well with the ex spouse thing. We haven't really tried to curry that.

[Ted Danson]

Oh, we nailed it.

[Kelsey Grammer]

But you guys did great. Well, I remember your vows with Mary. I mean, we're like, everybody's involved. I was so impressed by that. Everybody loved it. Yeah. You're our family, too. I thought, wow, that's great.

[Ted Danson]

Were you part of the chairlift that Jimmy Burrow started for us? Yeah, both you guys were that. I remember it was one of the best moments, Mary said, in the entire wedding, was when, I guess it's a Jewish tradition.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's a Jewish tradition. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Where they lifting you up in a chair. But it was so tangibly. Being supported literally, by people you love and who love you in that moment was so symbolic. Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's a wonderful. That was a great event. Martha's V. It was a lovely, lovely event you guys put on and it worked. Yeah, I know, I know. It's fantastic.

[Ted Danson]

We met on a movie.

[Woody Harrelson]

You can be rare. You get the president as your best man or whatever he was.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, yeah, there was all that going on.

[Ted Danson]

It cut down on paparazzi.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, it did, didn't it?

[Ted Danson]

Cruise missiles around.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Pretty amazing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That was a good weekend. Are you guys living in Nashville?

[Ted Danson]

No. Used to have a place there. Mary's writing music.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's what I thought. Yeah. Yeah, that's. That's a great story.

[Ted Danson]

How'd you meet Kate?

[Kelsey Grammer]

We met on a flight to. To England. She was flight crew for Virgin Atlantic. And of course.

[Ted Danson]

Did you make the move?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. Well, let me tell you, it was pretty great.

[Ted Danson]

Then what?

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, we were talking and we just ended up sort of chatting. I said, you know, what do you. She made me a drink, you know, and I thought, boy, I'm in the mood for a B52. Do you guys ever remember a B52? Well, they didn't have those ingredients on the plane, so but they did have Benedictine and brandy. And I thought, well, okay, that's a B and B, they call it. And I thought, yeah, put a little cream in that, a little bit of Kahlua. I think that's gonna be a great drink. So we started with that, and then we started talking. I got up to. Went to the bar on the plane, and we talked through the night and arranged to, you know, have a coffee maybe a few days after I got there, because I was going to see if I wanted to do La Casual on Broadway, take the production from London to New York. And I had to rehearse a little bit. We were going to do kind of a weird little commercial thing that was. Of course, I never saw it. Just seemed like a very odd thing to do. But so I was busy for a couple of days, and then I got a message at the hotel. Give Kate a call. So I gave her a call.

[Ted Danson]

And what year is this?

[Kelsey Grammer]

This is 2009.

[Ted Danson]

Wow.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, I think so. I think I was 54. It was great. It was just great. And, you know. You know, I was in my. My previous relationship had gone kind of belly up, you know, I mean, there were. There were some issues. There was. There was some stuff going on. It wasn't really fun or good or. And I knew that it was probably gonna have to end. I'd had a heart attack. That was not a great experience, but it was actually a very positive experience in the end because it made me realize what I wanted. And I was doing a show called Hank at the time, not very funny, and I knew it. And so we. We'd finished shooting the. I think I even directed it. I think it was. It was the ninth episode, and it just wasn't funny. A terrific writer named Collie had come from Everybody Loves Raymond. His rhythms and stuff like that were not mine. And it just. It. There was just no way for us to gel. I couldn't make his stuff funny. He couldn't write funny for me. So that's what happened. And I. I called Peter over at Warner Brothers. We were at Warner Brothers at the time. And I said, peter, you got to put a bullet in this show. I mean, I'm sorry, man. It's not funny. We got to end this. He says, I have obligations. I got to shoot. I got to shoot at least the first 13 and then see what happens, because I've got foreign. I've sold it to, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he says, I'm sorry. I wish I could help you out. Literally, the next morning, the head of ABC at the time called and put a bullet in it.

[Ted Danson]

Wow.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And one hour later, I got a call from Barry Weiser in New York City. He says, what are you doing? Are you busy? I said, as it turns out, I'm not busy. And he said, I want you to fly to London and see this as this production for me. So in about eight hours, my whole life was going to change. And I knew it was. And I knew when I got on that plane that I was going to a new life. And I met Kate.

[Ted Danson]

Wow. Yeah, I love that.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I love stories. I love it. It's pretty great. Oh, I'll go even further. This is fantastic. So what happened was we go for this cup of coffee and I'm in a bar, I'm at a hotel. At the time, it used to be the part, it was the Mandarin Oriental. It had been something. The Hyde park or something before that. And it used to have a great restaurant. That was gone. All that was over. It had been shifted into a kind of a new kind of Mandarin hipster kind of place. I walked in, when I checked in, the concierge looks at me and there's about a 6 foot 8 Russian girl with hardly any clothing on. And he looked at me and said, Mr. Grammar, you know, anything you'd like, Anything at all. I was like, oh, dear, this. This is not going to go well if I accept this guy's offer. So I said, thank you very much. That's very kind of you. No, thank you. And I just headed up to my little room. So as I came down to meet Kate for our. For our drink, I looked in the bar and it was just loaded with what clearly was a professional group. Yeah, I thought, there is no way I'm gonna meet this girl here. So I walked down on the street and I just waited for her. I knew she'd be getting out of the tube stop right below Harvey Nichols. So I'm sitting there, or standing there rather, in the little median between the hotel and Harvey Nichols. And sure enough, she comes up and I see her and she stops and reapplies her lipstick. Then she's doing that. She notices I'm there standing there, and she's like, oh, shit. And I said, listen, I don't want to take you for a drink in there. Let's go take a walk. And it was just before Christmas, so they had the winter wonderland thing that they do in Hyde Park. And we started walking toward the park and the snow started to fall. I looked at her and said, this is just this is too perfect. And we had our first kiss, and, you know, we got together a while later.

[Ted Danson]

I don't really know her, but she looks beautiful. I love her smile.

[Kelsey Grammer]

She's a great girl. She's a great, great girl.

[Ted Danson]

That's so cool. Well done.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you.

[Ted Danson]

And I love the stepping on the boat story. And you know what? It's nice to have your mate care that much about you. No, I don't want to lose you to. You know. So here are the rules.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It was great. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That was really great. Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

I ran into you then, Kelsey, and you were just about ready to start that. Yeah, I remember. I was in London.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Right.

[Woody Harrelson]

But I. I had a sense that I met Kate then.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You might have. You might have said hello then. Yeah, I think. Did we go. Have we had a martini at the American bar, Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

How am I gonna.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Okay. I think we did. If not, we did it later at the same time. Yeah, she probably.

[Woody Harrelson]

But I didn't know she. I didn't know she. You guys had just started that.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, we. We actually. That was the. That was the. The prologue. And then I. We actually waited about seven or eight months, almost a full year before, you know, things really shifted. But by then, you know, my previous wife had gone off to, you know, she was involved with somebody else, and that was fine. You know, that's what happened. That's okay. But I needed to make sure we did it as possibly as best as I could, because as I said to Kate when I first met. I said, you're too important to be somebody's secret, and I don't want to do that to you. So we're going to have to play this above board and take our time. So we did. It was a long time before we got, you know, actually, let's. I guess the best word is consummated. But when we did, it was finally. That was a good thing, you know, it wasn't. It wasn't anything we had to, like, hang our heads about or even dodge in a weird way. Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

So you, like. You had this discipline about this, so you wanted to make sure Other.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, the other head, you know, the other. The other a man. A man of two minds.

[Woody Harrelson]

I never would have guessed that that happened that way. I mean, maybe you're just now telling it this way because you have to officially. I don't know.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Do you remember? I think it was Robin Williams who.

[Woody Harrelson]

Said, kissing on the street and the snow's coming down.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It was amazing. You know, that was amazing. But no, that's where it ended that night. I think Rob Williamson's one that said a man doesn't have enough blood flow for two heads at the same time. Yeah, that's exactly right.

[Ted Danson]

The nun over here is blushing.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Well, I remember some stories that were.

[Ted Danson]

So nun like, I'm trying to push. I'm trying to push the nun story.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Okay.

[Ted Danson]

They're bad nuns. They're bad nuns who go wrong.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Bad habit. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

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[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, I had a.

[Ted Danson]

Is that anything to talk about?

[Kelsey Grammer]

An abiding sense of faith. It was an interesting thing that it was sort of a wrestling match, you know, that was like, oh, I still hear you over there. But I grew up in Christian Science and as a little boy. As a little boy, yeah, Sunday school and maintained it. And my grandmother, or her aunt, my grandmother's aunt actually kind of knew Mary Baker Eddy, who was the progenitor of that discipline of examining the miracles of Jesus through this lens of science and faith at the same time, which is pretty fascinating and very metaphysical and the kind of stuff that appeals to my head anyway. And so I was brought up in that I hung onto it. I mean, I read it every day almost even through the bad times. Sin, disease and death are not real. All is infinite mind and it's infinite manifestations. Stuff like that just kept me alive, you know, it kept me connected.

[Ted Danson]

Very empowering.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, it really was. And so I maintained that. Now my active faith, my relationship with Jesus, if you will, was not something I was even comfortable declaring of. It wasn't something we did. That's not the way we talk, basically, the Christian Scientists. And so it always seemed a little odd to me. And then when I was writing the book about Karen, I had this wild moment on a plane where I'm. Jesus is sitting down right next to me and talking to me. And it was undeniably true and real and reassuring and uplifting. And I got to surrender. I started. Tears were just dripping down my face on a plane all by myself. Well, I mean, there's, you know, people aren't around, but it was an extraordinary moment. And it just was that thing, that thing that happens, you know, and suddenly it was revealed to me and there I was and I guess I was saved. But he'd been there all along, right? And that was. That was the real trick because I'd been. I'd been fighting the fight of like, well, I've got this, I got this. And then of course, he was basically saying, no, I got it because I can't. And that was great. It was fantastic. And at the same time, I did that movie Jesus Revolution, which got a lot of response and a lot of good feedback. But I was having a kind of a meditative evening in my home one night in my living room about 3am and I thought to myself, I want to do something that's important. Something important. I don't know what it is, but I just sort of just gave up and said, you know, guide me. This is before I had the sort of the moment with Jesus on the plane. And the next morning, the Jesus Revolution script came to the door. I sat down, read it and said, hey, I'm doing it. And it was a big thing for me.

[Woody Harrelson]

Wow.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

I have to see that.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's a good movie.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

And it's actually, what's funny is it's at the time in our lives that you'd probably remember because it was 72. And I remember in Florida there was these, oh, God, these girls. I just came off the beach. I'm just standing when I'm just watching the waves, because I was surfing then, and these two magnificent women come out of the, off the, off the beach and say, hi, have you met Jesus? Well, I'd like to. I'm ready. Where are we going?

[Ted Danson]

Which one of you?

[Kelsey Grammer]

It was close here. But what was funny was because I had that sort of ongoing relationship with Christian Science at the time, and I was always still reading it. I said to them, well, honestly, I think I have, but. And they said, well, we're going to go to a service right now. We're going to just praise the Lord, blah, blah, blah, we're born again. And I thought, well, good for you. That's great. But I said, honestly, I'm okay. But I sure was tempted. But that was what it was about, that whole movement, all those young people getting baptized and looking for meaning in a world where, you know, everything had sort of taken a, a spiral into hallucinogenics and stuff like that. You know, that was, that was pretty popular then.

[Ted Danson]

So I don't think I use the same words, you know, but who does as you. But I have the same exact feeling. I, I, my, One of my moments that was really kind of quite lovely for me was being on a small aircraft. It was a twin prop Cape Air, you know, those things. And they were expanding into Indiana and we had, we were campaigning and we, we got the VIP treatment where the pilot came running out and said, we're going to beat the storm. Come on, Ted. Come on, Mary. And so we, you know, the VIP treatment always.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, sucks, a little questionable.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah, right, I know. Don't do it.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Don't be making mistakes.

[Ted Danson]

And we got on the plane and it was massive storm system that was sweeping the entire north, south of the United States. And we flew smack dab into it and it was, you couldn't see out the airplane. It was pure white. It was thunderous from the rain. Mary cracked two ribs from the turbulence and the bouncing. You had to hold on as if you were riding a, you know, I've never ridden One but a bull, you know, it was that kind of bouncy. And usually when you're with your mate, one of you will be in fear and maybe the other one isn't.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

So the one who isn't going to go, it's okay, we're going to make it.

[Kelsey Grammer]

All right.

[Ted Danson]

We looked at each other and neither one of could say, we're going to make it. And I remember, you know, it's not that I only pray in. In scary situations, but we tend to. Turbulence brings out Jesus very clearly. But I. I remember saying, you know, putting myself in your hands, Lord.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Right.

[Ted Danson]

And, you know, and. And you know, our. Please watch after. And then. Or whatever how I phrase it in my head. And then the next thought was, you've always been in his hands. Yeah, her hands. Yeah, whatever.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Whatever you want to call it.

[Ted Danson]

Whatever you want to call it.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Father, mother.

[Ted Danson]

And it relaxed me so much. It's brilliant that it wasn't, you know, Anyway. Yeah.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That thing again, you know that. There it is.

[Ted Danson]

Mortality is not a bad thing. Yeah, Gravity is not a bad thing. If it weren't for gravity and mortality, we'd all be partying like crazy and we wouldn't have a spiritual thought in our head.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Exactly.

[Ted Danson]

But, yeah, are we lucky? Aren't we lucky, really? Yeah.

[Woody Harrelson]

You know, it's interesting because I grew up quite, you know, religious and quite, quite. You know, I was Christian and then.

[Ted Danson]

But you even trained. Sorry, Woody, I don't know if Kelsey knows this, that you trained to be a priest. Is that not right? Or. Started. Started it.

[Woody Harrelson]

I was thinking about becoming a minister.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, well, I can see that.

[Woody Harrelson]

I'm not a priest. We weren't Catholic.

[Ted Danson]

Right.

[Woody Harrelson]

But you know, I. I had given some. A couple of sermons and up to when I was in my early 20s and. But then just before I moved to New York, I suddenly found a new religion, Hedonism. And that it was just right on time.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Right.

[Woody Harrelson]

But anyway, I. I had a long time where I just wasn't sure, you know, we got. I don't know that I've ever talked with you guys about religion or Christianity, but. But I, I really, I had a long time where I was just like, I don't know what. What the situation is. So, you know, I'm just gonna just. I'm just gonna say I don't know, you know, and I'm gonna back off from my whole rather, you know, religious mentality. And then I read, ironically, I read Autobiography of a Yogi and I was like, okay, Parabolasa Yogananda is either a fraud and a. And a total fake, or he's exactly what he appears to me. Deeply spiritual man who is telling the truth. Which means there is a God.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ted Danson]

And.

[Woody Harrelson]

And. And so that's why I don't discount what you're saying, like. But to say you were sitting on a plane and then Jesus was next to you. I. I really need you to kind of did. I mean, you. You felt like you physically saw him sitting in the seat next.

[Kelsey Grammer]

No. I mean, I guess I could have, but, you know, that wasn't. That wasn't what I needed at the time. It was clearly in my head, but it was. It was unmistakably the voice of something other than in my head or me. And that was.

[Woody Harrelson]

That was the end of the. You're hearing the voice of.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah. It was a conversation, you know, that was not being dictated by me.

[Ted Danson]

Right, right.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It was just there.

[Woody Harrelson]

Wow.

[Kelsey Grammer]

To let me have it. Yeah. It was remarkable. And then, of course, I look back to all the other things that have happened in my life and, you know, recognize it. I see the footsteps, you know, the fingerprints, and they go. Oh, okay.

[Ted Danson]

Because it is a miracle that all three of us are here.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ted Danson]

Truly. I mean, not in a silly way. It's America. No, I remember what my.

[Woody Harrelson]

Especially Kel.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. Special counsel.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thanks. Bless you.

[Ted Danson]

We're still working on the. You. I. My mother came home to. To die. She had a choice of going into a hospital. She had really bad pneumonia. And she went, no, no. You know, wanted to come home.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Good for her.

[Ted Danson]

And for two weeks, she had the most amazing. She had the. The passing. The last weeks of her. You know, this is how she wanted to go. There were nuns that she knew from Colorado who came down and sang evening prayers every night with her and hung out with her people hoping Navajo would come say goodbye to her, who knew her. It was like the perfect passing for her. And I remember I had the night shift. My sister did the days, and. And she lived next door, and I would be there after. She had really, kind of could no longer be really present, but her body was still going. And I remember looking at her and realizing that moment of. I don't know, all of my readings, my teachings, my philosophy, all the things that mentors have told me, all the things that I've used to heal over the years went flying out the window, and I went. I don't know. She may. Or she may be about to. But I don't. I really truly don't know. And it boiled down for me to kind of try to do the best you can in every moment. Because you do know what the best choice is in every moment.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, you do.

[Ted Danson]

You really do. And if you just, you know, slow down and listen and try to do the best thing, that's as much as I know. Try to be a little better every day.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You know, that's good.

[Ted Danson]

And that, to me, I can wrap my brain about around.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Oh, bless you.

[Ted Danson]

But I know there's.

[Kelsey Grammer]

There's something.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. I mean, even you try to explain how this planet and this universe could possibly be if you didn't put something higher than ourselves.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's. It's really funny. I mean, of course. I mean, bless your mom. And I was just thinking about your mom.

[Ted Danson]

That's.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's a beautiful story, actually. But even the. The most advanced string theory guys that exist say, oh, no, there's something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course there is.

[Ted Danson]

Here's. Here's what I. Why I love that we're all kind of in the business of making people laugh or find something witty or ironic or something in life that we all hearing that story and then I walk out the door and I think I'm in control of my day. And I actually know. So. No.

[Kelsey Grammer]

But I do think we're meant to enjoy the ride and we're supposed to have free will. We are definitely here for free will. And then so we get to make a choice. Yeah. Some of us are maybe not gonna choose wisely, you know, and some of us are lucky. Some of us are lucky enough to, you know, turn around, to be around long enough to get to make the right choice. Yeah. That's my story.

[Ted Danson]

What a great life you have, Kelsey Grammer. Really.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Thank you. You too.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. Yeah, Us too.

[Woody Harrelson]

What a wonderful thing to be just to spend time with you, Kelsey. I don't get to see you enough, man. Every time I see you is great.

[Kelsey Grammer]

It's always a real occasion when we get together. I always love it. I love seeing you. You always got something going on. Your brain's always thinking some way that most people don't. And it is a joy to know you. It always has been. And the feeling is mutual.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. You too, Kels. You too. I love you very much.

[Kelsey Grammer]

I love you too.

[Ted Danson]

Yeah. You know what? We should just do a little moment of thank you, Jimmy, Les and Glenn.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ted Danson]

You know, we've all gone on and done many other amazing things in our life. Isn't only cheers. But without cheers, I would not be sitting here talking to you guys. I would not be pretty much doing anything in my career. It was such an amazing platform for us to jump off of.

[Kelsey Grammer]

That's what the everybody knows your name thing.

[Woody Harrelson]

They burnt our careers.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Yeah, they did. They did. Yeah.

[Ted Danson]

Kelsey Grammar, ladies and gentlemen. I hope you enjoyed it. I had the best hour and a half that I've had in weeks. It was just so sweet. Cheers gave us such a platform to jump off into life and it was fun to reminisce. Anyway, that's it for this week's show. Special thanks to our friends at Team Coco. If you enjoyed this episode, please send it to a friend. Subscribe rate and if you're in a good mood, review and you can always watch full episodes of this podcast on Team Coco's YouTube channel if that's your thing. I'll be right back here next week where everybody knows your name.

[Kelsey Grammer]

You've been listening to where everybody knows your name with Ted Danson, Woody Harrelson, sometimes.

[Ted Danson]

The show is produced by me, Nick Liao. Executive producers are Adam Sachs, Colin Anderson.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Jeff Ross and myself.

[Ted Danson]

Sarah Fedorovich is our supervising producer.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Our senior producer is Matt Apodaca.

[Ted Danson]

Engineering and mixing by Joanna Samuel with support from Eduardo Perez. Research by Alyssa Grohl.

[Kelsey Grammer]

Talent cooking by Paula Davis and Gina Batista. Our theme music is by Woody Harrelson, Anthony Genn, Mary Steenbergen and John Osborne. Special thanks to Willie Naveray.

[Ted Danson]

We'll have more for you next time.

[Kelsey Grammer]

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[Woody Harrelson]

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[Kelsey Grammer]

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[Woody Harrelson]

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[Kelsey Grammer]

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