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From the Vault - William Dorsey Swann- Queen of Drag
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From enslaved to they slayed
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Katy Charlwood
Hello, delicious friends, and welcome to an episode from the vault of who did what now, the history podcast that is not your history class. With me, your host, Katy Charlwood, history harlot and reader of books. As many of you know, it is Black History Month over in America.
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Podcast Narrator
But not only that, it is the.
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Katy Charlwood
Centenary of the origins of Black History month. So, like, 100 years ago, it started out as, like, a Black History Week, and then slowly but surely became Black History Month. And so, historically, this is a big deal.
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Podcast Narrator
And since I've started doing themes both.
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Katy Charlwood
On the social media and on the podcast, I thought, well, you know what? Let's just do it. Let's just do a Black History Month, and we'll do it like, as we were doing things before. We'll start off with the transatlantic slave trade and just try and go as chronologically forward as we can. Like, we'll just try, you know, And I thought that would be, like, a really good. A really good way to teach and share this information, because it's not something that's taught in every single history class. Like, I was just lucky that this was part of my education. And also because I'm a hungry hungry hippo when it comes to history, I'm a floozy for facts. Let me tell you, they don't call me the history harlot for nothing. And the thing about history is, like, as a general rule, is that it's quite depressing. Bad things keep happening consecutively, one after.
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Podcast Narrator
Another in a row.
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Katy Charlwood
And that's the stuff that people write down. So when I do get the chance to talk about someone amazing and wonderful and brilliant, like, I grasp that with two hands, especially when you have to talk about just the horrible injustices that people had to go through consistently. And I've been talking about some bad stuff over the last week and a.
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Podcast Narrator
Bit so far, and I think, let's.
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Katy Charlwood
Have a palette cleanser and talk about someone fucking fantastic. Oh, by the Way there's a possibility I'm swearing like a sailor on this. I don't remember. And so yes, welcome to the life of one William Dorsey Swan.
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Podcast Narrator
And I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, quit your jibber jabber and fact me. In fact you.
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Historical Document Reader
I will.
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Podcast Narrator
But first we've got to get our source on. Our sources are House of Swan Where Slaves became Queens. By Channing Gerard Joseph. William Dorsey Swan, the Queen of Drag by Natisha Currie. The first self proclaimed drag queen was a formerly enslaved man. By Carrie Shane. Records of the office of pardon attorney Naid was 165-12-8485. Yeah. Bet you weren't expecting something proper on here. Yeah, I looked through records, which is one of my favorite things to do. Listen, we all have hobbies. Finally we have our favourites. History.com biography.com and smithsonian.com. are you sitting comfortably? Good. Then let's begin. William Dorsey Swan was born William Henry Junker in Washington County, Maryland, USA, 1858. He was born to Mary Jane Yuncker and Andrew Jackson Swan. Mary Jane, she was, I don't want to say a housekeeper because she was enslaved. So she was an enslaved housekeeper. And Andrew Jackson Swan, he was a wheat farmer. An enslaved wheat farmer. I mean, I suppose an enslaved labourer is probably the better term. And he's also a musician. So they are slaves. They have 12, 13 children who are slaves because that's how chattel slavery works. You are a slave, your ancestors are slaves and your children are slaves. Now you may notice one that we actually have a birthday for Swan which is shocking because it's, you know, an enslaved person from the past. And all I can think of is the, the pessimistic side of me is like maybe people were just people, white people were just really good at keeping receipts, you know, which really just sucks because people are not property. Basic, basic human rights. So Swan and his 12 siblings and his mum and his dad, they are all the legal property of Anne Murray, a white woman who owned a plantation. So yeah, he's born on a plantation as a slave and he grows up working for this woman. I say working but you know, doing stuff without pay or compensation for labour for the next four years until Union soldiers arrive in the winter of 1862 and they're like, yeah, Ann, Ann, Ann. You cannot do that though, you know, you can't own people. It's kinda wrong. So basically after the end of the American Civil War, you know, they're freed. So the family is freed and his parents managed to purchase A land or plot of land in order to, you know, set up their own farm. Now, you may have also noticed that he started life with a different name. And the reason his surname is Junker, not Swan, is because enslaved people could not legally marry technically because they weren't seen as humans. And this resulted in William legally taking the surname of his mother and not his dad. But once, you know, freedom came about, he was able to actually have his father's surname, which, of course, back in the day, big deal. I mean, it's bad enough. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Sorry, my brain just had a little sparky explosion in it. Now, you know, this very racist concept of black men not supporting their families and abandoning. Like, could this, like, initial stereotype sort of spring from this era where children would not necessarily take, you know, the name of their parents in an era where lineage is very important, where they wouldn't necessarily take the name of their dad because they couldn't legally because of, you know, the not being able to marry. Do you think maybe that's a. That's a part of it, per chance? Anyway, point being, gets his dad's name and he ends up living with, you know, his family. And so he's on the farm. And then as he gets older, he gets a job as a waiter because, you know, he needs money to survive, which is just a general. A general way of life. So he ends up moving away from his family and going to Washington, D.C. to the capital, because that's where the jobs are. And so he goes there in order to make more money and support his family. And so he goes there and he starts working as a janitor at the Spencerian Business College owned by Henry and Sarah Spencer. Now, it has been suggested that it's during this time where he's working at the business college that William learns to read and write. See, this is a period of time where literacy levels are not high at the best of times. Like, if you are from a lower class or working class, like, chances that you're literate. Not great, to be honest. So the fact that William can read and write as a former slave is a huge fucking deal. Like, it either means that his parents went to a massive effort to ensure that he had an opportunity to actually move forward in life, or that William had the fucking tenacity and the absolute balls, sorry to choke anybody from last week had the absolute balls to come forward and put the effort in and the drive to learn to read and write like, it's not an easy task if you haven't Done it, like, as a young child. Like, it's. It's tough. And he's doing this. So, like, the assumption is that he learned to do it while he was at the college, although we don't have any, like, evidence to suggest that he could have very well been taught by someone, like, back in his hometown. He could have done that. But he can read and write, and things are going okay for William, and it's. It's relatively uneventful until 1882, where he is arrested because he stole a bunch of shit. He is taken to court, and he pleads guilty for stealing books and party supplies from the Washington Library Company and from stealing a bunch of stuff that we don't actually know what he took, but he took things. Stuff. Gizmos and gadgets are plenty. Whozits and whatzits galore. You want thingamabobs? Oh, he's got 20, which he pilfered from the home of his bosses, Henry and Sarah Spencer. So he is sentenced to seven months in jail for, like, collectively for these crimes. So William Dossey Swan. So he's in jail for petty larceny, and something weird happens. So his sentencing judge, the judge who, like, sentenced him to the jail time, the assistant district attorney, employees of the Washington library company, and his employers, the Spencers, they apply for a petition of pardon. So effectively, President Grover Cleveland, he had these, like, an option of, like, a presidential pardon, you know, for people who don't deserve to be in jail, who deserve a pardon. So this petition is signed, and they basically state that he was just trying to get an education and help his family. And the judge is like, other people who were involved in this crime were already let go. So, like, this seems a bit harsh, unfair, slash a wee bit racist, you know. And his employers are talking about how great a character he is and how they're just going to give him his job back once he gets out of jail. And it's, you know, a lifetime job, doesn't have to worry. And this is like, my favorite thing is they're talking about his character. And I'm going to do my Foghorn Leghorn voice, so just appreciate it. He was free from vast, industrious, refined in his habits and associations, gentle in.
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Historical Document Reader
His disposition, courteous in his bearing.
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Podcast Narrator
That is my Faulkner lecon voice. It needs some work, but, you know, it's getting there. So basically they're saying that he is just a good, kind, wonderful dude. He's just trying to better himself and do right by his family and that he deserves to, you know, get out. So, like, yeah, you've got all of these people approving it. You know, the Assistant U.S. district Attorney, the judge, all of these employees and his employers, like, everybody's all like, let this man out of jail, you pricks. Now, we don't actually know if. If the pardon went through. We don't have that documentation, but we know it was, like, applied for. So eventually, William gets out of jail, he goes back to work, and he starts hosting these parties for his community. And so they happen in different places. So sometimes they would be in somebody's house, sometimes it would be the ymca. They were secret affairs. Invitation only. Well, I say invitation only. Like, people would just show up sometimes. For some it was like a known secret, an open secret, and for others, it was not that. And so these drag parties would happen now and now to get nerdy about words. So these parties are happening, and they're basically like balls. So they're dressing up in fabulous outfits, and it's sort of what would become, like, the ballroom scene, you know, the ball, I should say. And if you've seen pose, go watch pose, and you'll get an idea. And so it was like these drag shows, and they would have these groups and they would just sort of show off their fabulous, like, skills and moves and attire. And the whole thing about drag, like the name, the word is that it could come from two separate sort of concepts. One is your gladrags. Now, gladrags are sort of your fancy clothes. You're going out clothes. You're going out out clothes. Because you're going out out. You're fancy, you know, you are the bee's knees. You are fabulous, darling. And so it could come from that, or it could come from grand rag, which is a term for a masquerade ball. So we've got these two very sort of viable options. And I'd be happy if it comes from either way. But that's basically where the word drag comes from. Or we think we don't have, like, a proper thing. We don't have a proper etymological sort of tree for it. But there. There it is. There it is. So William Dorsey Swan is hosting these parties, and he is known as Queenie Swan or Mother Swan sort of at these events. And there are butlers and coachmen and many, many former enslaved people, including one Mr. Lafayette. Lafayette. I can't help myself. Pierce Lafayette was once a slave. He was the property of the Vice President of the Confederate States of America, Alexander H. Stevens. Yeah, yeah. And he's like, oh, no. So These parties were absolutely amazing. They would do sort of singing and dancing. They would do talent competitions. They would have galas where they would parade in their outfits and they would do this cakewalk now. Or their version of a cakewalk now. The cakewalk was a sort of act, a dance performance which mocked slave owners. And I think that's. There's just something fucking beautiful about that. And that was one of the thing that people would do.
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Podcast Narrator
So there was the people who would go there. Like, it wasn't just, you know, the gay community. There were straight men there. They were white men, black men. There was just like a huge crowd. Now, remember how I said these parties were like an open secret? So it gets to the point where the police are getting tips. They're being tipped off on this, right? And they. They are informed of this scandalous escapade where there are black men in full female costumes. They are cross dressing. Now, during this time, like, these laws are coming in about cross dressing. And across the US it is becoming illegal to wear clothes of the opposite gender. So whatever you are presenting, whether it's male or female, you have to, like, wear the clothes of, you know, you're assigned gender at birth, effectively. So this is going around and they get this tip off about this party, and there's, like, men in costumes, but only men, black men, which is somehow worse. Okay? You know, because racism. And they. They break in to a party. I say they break in. They raid the party in L Street Northwest, right? And Swan's beautiful home, which apparently was decorated very tastefully, which I'm not surprised. Clearly the man had taste. So there are men in gowns, and there are drums and fiddles and banjos, and they're just having a swell time, but they get arrested and shit goes down. Yada, yada, yada. And the next year it happens again. But it's on his 30th birthday party. So it's William D' Arcy Swan's party and the police fucking show up and there's Pierce Lafayette and a bunch of other dudes and they are all in like makeup and powdered wigs in these big fancy costumes and. And you know, they're. They're dancing, they're having a good time. They're just living their best lives as they can, you know, relatively, you know, lower rungs of society in, you know, the 19th century. Not super, but, you know, doing the best with the hand they have been dealt. And again, the police have to crash the fucking party like Buzz Killington. And they decide that Swan soirees don't deserve, you know, to happen because whatevs. So they raid the party and I'm not going to say the word, but there's an article headline which basically says, N word dive raided N word dive rated 13 black men dressed as women.
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Historical Document Reader
Surprised at supper and arrested.
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Podcast Narrator
Listen, if they're gonna be racist, I'm gonna do my full horn leghorn voice, okay? That's just how it works. So basically, the police just being absolute bobags, by the way, but they are handled by Swan himself because he has been dealing with this a long bloody time. Like, he's used to being raided. He's used to, like, having to deal with this shit from the cops, right? And so instead of, you know, letting them just burst through and do their thing, William says, fuck this for a game of soldiers and physically blocks the door. And he physically holds the cops back just by blocking the space that a bunch of people manage to escape. Like, people are jumping out of windows. You, you know, they're hiding in cupboards, which is, you know, literally hiding in closets. Not the best move, lads, but do what you need to do. But I think, like, nearly 20 people manage to escape because of this. And all in all, 12 men end up being arrested. The Swan is just there standing up to them. And he does so in a cream satin dress. Okay, first of all, this dress is dry clean only, Melanie. And secondly, if William is gonna do something, he is gonna do it in style. So the police manage to get in and they fucking tear the dress to shreds. They're probably just so incensed that he has the gall to stand up to them and also do it so well while in a gown, like, probably looking like a beautiful debutante.
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Katy Charlwood
Like, gorgeous.
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Podcast Narrator
I bet he was gorgeous, you know, but like, my favorite part is, like, he's standing there blocking the door and, you know, this long, cream, satiny, silky gown and straight up says to the officers, you is no Gentleman. I love the fact that then a fight ensues and, like, he's just physically fighting the police. And a gown, which, again, does get torn to shreds, because of course they do, but still. Fucking yes, William. So by doing this, by performing this action, by standing up to the police and physically stopping them, like, this is probably one of the first. I think, one of the first cases of, like, resistance and violent activism in sort of the name of LGBTQ rights. You know, this is. This is why, William Dorothy Swan is an activist, because he did so much to protect members of his community. He protected his friends. You know, he's just fucking amazing. Now, over the next few years, the parties just kind of move around, right, because they have to hold them secretly because the police are fucking raiding everything, right? And for the next, like, eight years, we don't really hear or see much of, like, Swan's activities. Like, we don't know what's kind of going on until 1896, when the shit hits the fan. And William Dorsey Swan gets arrested for holding a gala for the second time on the 1st of January. He is charged with keeping a disorderly house, which is basically a euphemism for running a brothel, because, you know, gay people can't exist in places unless they're shagging, which is the rule of it. He's holding a drag ball, but he's accused of basically holding an orgy because those are the same thing according to these weird Puritans. It's fucking ridiculous. Now, I'm gonna try and read this article from the 1896 Evening Star. I'm gonna try and do that without reading the racist bits. So I'm gonna try because. Paraphrasing. It's fine. Okay. I am gonna do the full chord. Micron voice. So prepare to suffer.
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Historical Document Reader
William Dorsey Swan, at whose house, number 1504 L Street Northwest, a drag, was raided about two weeks ago and who was convicted in the police court last week of a charge of keeping a disorderly house, was sentenced to 10 months in jail by Judge Miller.
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Podcast Narrator
Today.
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Historical Document Reader
I said. I said this is the case in which a number of men were found in this place, which Judge Miller characterized as a hell of iniquity. There were several men reported to be of character of Swan, of the character of Swann. And during the trial of the case in court, there appeared young men of respectable parentage who told of how they had visited this place, danced and indulged in strong drink of all kinds, from beer to champagne. A large stock of liquors found on the premises was in court as evidence. But Dorsey said he didn't have to buy the liquor. In disposing of the case, Judge Miller told the fearful revelations made at the trial the downfall and ruin of young men, and said he only wished he had the power to impose a 10 year sentence. I would like to send you where you would never see a man's face, said the judge, and would like then to rid the city of all other disreputable persons of the same kind. Thieving and petty assaults amount to nothing as compared with the conduct of these people.
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Podcast Narrator
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, so. So assault, assault. This judge. This judge is saying assault is a lesser crime than being a homosexual. Let's consider that for a moment, shall we? You know, it's okay to, you know, assault a person, to punch a child in the face, to stab that elderly person in the eye. That is not even remotely as bad as being gay. Like, what in the name of Dolores Abernathy is this? What absolute fucking bullshit is this nonsense? But anyway, William Dorsey Swan, on the 3rd of January, 1896, pleads not guilty. After this weirdly quick see racist trial. And I say racist, it's also homophobic because it's the 19th century. And he is sentenced to 10 months in jail, maybe less with good behavior, but effectively for the crime of being homosexual and having a party. Just so we're clear on what's happening. So three months into his sentence, Swan fails a petition of pardon, basically saying that, you know, he's a respectable hard worker, he's had continuous employment, and that the sentence was severe in comparison to the crime and that if he was released, he would live a property and law abiding life. So he gets his petition and then his friends, 30 of them are signatories on it. So 30 other people, whether they're from the drag community or other, elsewise, they sign this petition because they're like, he deserves to be out. They sign it in a show of support, right? Now when this gets to the U.S. attorney, A.A. bernay, this isn't met with the same sort of fervor and appreciation that his like 1882 petition was. You know, he wasn't happy with William Dorsey Swan's life. He basically says that the petition is without merit because he's charged with having a disorderly house, because running a brothel, which he's accused of effectively, and because running a brothel is like so much worse than lesser crimes, and that he was corrupting other people. So, like corrupting, you know, decent, you know, young men, see rich and white as if it's his fault, his parties are so awesome that everybody wants to go to them. Like, come on. So while the pardon is still under review. So, like, before it even gets to the president, right, for an official pardon, William Dorsey Swann's friends start calling the U.S. attorney's office because they're worried about William's health. So William has a heart issue, and they're like, he's not well enough to be in prison. And the doctor who had said he had, like, a clean bill of health conveniently beforehand in March of that year, like, he comes back in July and he's like, yeah, his ticker is not super. Saying he's got, like, a disease of the heart and, you know, not exactly tip top, health wise. And so they're trying to get the pardon to go through on the basis of his health. But President Grover Cleveland denies to issue a pardon on 29 July in 1896, because, again, the whole concept is that the conditions of jail are not conducive to, you know, living a healthy life with a, you know, dodgy ticker, a dodgy heart. So Grover Cleveland President Grover Cleveland, he says that the implications of Dorsey Swan's health were not sufficient to counter the character of his offense. So basically, if he has a heart attack and dies, like, that's fine because he's gay. Like.
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Podcast Narrator
Because the severity of the crime of being a gay man hosting a party means that you deserve to suffer ill health and jail. Like, what. What sane person? I mean, I understand this is the past, but that's a fucking extreme view, man. Now you can be like, it was a different time. Yet that only works if there aren't people, you know, batting for the underdogs. If there aren't people standing up to this, and clearly there are, otherwise we would not be in this fucking situation, would we?
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Historical Document Reader
So.
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Podcast Narrator
So he serves his sentence. He does his time, right? Does it comes back out, and what does he do? He still hosts his parties. The drag happens. So, like, throughout this time, over his lifetime, sort of, William Dorsey Swan gets known as, like, Queenie Swan to his friends, Mother Swan even, and refers to himself specifically as the Queen of Drag. Like the first drag queen, right? And this is him. Now, we don't know if Dorothy Swan would be what we would call transgender nowadays. We don't have that information, and we don't have the ability to ask that. And even sort of the concept of gender during this time period is very. Is very specific. And so we wouldn't know how that would relate in modern terms. But anyway, William d' Arcy Swan, Queen of drag, and then keeps hosting balls until the 20th century. Like, he makes it all the way to, like, 1901, I think, before he starts sort of bowing out. Oh, my goodness. I actually forgot. So, like, the cakewalk earlier that I was describing, it has sort of these janky movements, these sharp movements, and it's not dissimilar to voguing nowadays. So I thought that was, like, an interesting little tip for you. And so. Yeah, but back to this. So he's doing this up until, like, 1901, where he has to just kind of bow out, whether it was for health reasons or whatnot. Not sure. Now, two of his brothers had actually performed, like, in the balls doing drag, right? And one of them, Daniel, he continues to make, like, drag costumes, like, for about 50 years in total, I think, all in all. But, yeah, up until he's, like, not really an active participant. William Dorsey Swan is still in the ball scene. He was hosting events and gatherings for the queer community in Washington, D.C. like, he wasn't stopping, even though he knew the risks to him, because this was his life, this was his people, and he wasn't gonna stop for them. Now, eventually, Swan does move back to Hancock in Maryland, right? He goes back, and that's him effectively retiring from the very drag scene that he created, you know, that he was either the founding or at least, you know, one of the pinnacle parts of. And we don't really know much about the last 20 or so years of William's life and even the circumstances surrounding his death, we're not clear on now. It could have been old age. It could have been his heart. We just don't have that information. Like, we don't even have an exact date of death either. We know it was roundabout, approximately nearby, the 23rd of December, 1925. Part of me is like, it's good that we have some kind of idea, but I just wish we could give him the right date. I mean, I guess it's funny because we don't know his exact date of birth and we don't know his exact date of death. So it's like a weird, horrible poetry to it. I suppose. People always say that when something is similar one end to the other, it's like there is, like a poetry to it. Or hear me out. It's just, you know, homophobes, racists, bigots, so on and so forth, not wanting to let that information out to try and bury his memory, which is what they try and do. Because he passes away at the age of 65 in Hancock, Maryland, Right? And his body is cremated, Whether that was his choice or the choice of officials or family members. Again, not. Not sure on that. But after he passes away, his house is levelled, and when I say levelled, it is burnt to the ground. Apparently, the destruction of property by way of fire is no longer arson if city officials are involved. Like, they are making sure to remove his home, to remove everything in it, artifacts, documentation, everything between, you know, and they are just shutting it down, hiding it. You know, they're trying to remove his memory, sort of information about him, his parties, his balls, his activism. But you cannot hide history forever. And it is coming back for you. I told you, we are out with the era of the pale and stale males controlling the narrative, and we are going to share stories. We are going to tell the wonderful and awful and everything in between, the actual history that we deserve to know, especially by a pioneer and activist and fucking clearly amazing, wonderful human like William Dorsey Swan, the queen of drag. Now, again, if you liked my telling of this story, feel free to rate and review. 5 stars wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm so happy to be able to share this story this month. You have no idea. I'm so. I'm so happy. I got to do it and I got to share this with you. I'm so. Oh, I'm so happy. You can follow me in the socials. Message, connect. Dm comment on stuff, share stuff. And I would love for you to share this episode.
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Katy Charlwood
I would love for his story to just get everywhere as much as possible.
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Podcast Narrator
Because. Because it is so easy. It is far too easy to hide the marginalized and to sweep over their stories and to try, try and just make their history disappear.
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Katy Charlwood
And I am not for that. And so if you can share this, just talk about William Dorsey Swan. You don't even need to share this episode, but I want you to talk about them because he deserves it. So follow on the socials. Share here. Let's just keep talking because we're living in a world that is trying to erase history, mystery. And we're not gonna fucking let it.
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Podcast Narrator
We're not going to bloody let it. Okay. Okay.
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Katy Charlwood
Good talk. So now an updated recommendation time. So for watching Ziwe, you need to be watching Ziwe. She's just so fantastic. And I just love. I just.
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Podcast Narrator
I just.
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Katy Charlwood
I love her because I wish I could be.
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Podcast Narrator
That naturally means.
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Katy Charlwood
I mean, I can be, but like, justifiably. I don't think I can be as justifiably mean as Ziwe is. I love her so much for reading the plot. Is Murder by V.M. burns just any of the V.M. burns book, but like, good. Just trust me, you're gonna love it. If you like a murder mystery like me, read it.
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Podcast Narrator
You know what?
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Katy Charlwood
For watching Beauty Shop. So Beauty Shop, starring Queen Latifah. It is just one of those fun.
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Podcast Narrator
Good movies that are.
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Katy Charlwood
Oh, wait.
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Podcast Narrator
Girls trip, maybe. Oh, no, no.
- [43:56]
Katy Charlwood
You know, I'm gonna go Beauty Shop.
- [43:58]
Podcast Narrator
Beauty Shop.
- [43:59]
Katy Charlwood
Because I think we all deserve a little bit of joy.
- [44:02]
Podcast Narrator
And it's such a fun.
- [44:04]
Katy Charlwood
You don't always have to watch something that's gonna make you cry. And I think you need to celebrate, like all of the talents that's in the movie. And so, yes, Beauty Shop.
- [44:13]
Podcast Narrator
And with that, I shall bid you adieu. See you same VAT time, same VAT channel. Adios. Au revoir.
- [44:25]
Katy Charlwood
Au vuitizer, my friends.
- [44:27]
Podcast Narrator
Bye bye.
- [44:30]
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