Summary of "Who Smarted? - Episode: Which Came First, Marvel or DC?"

Episode Release Date: January 31, 2025

Introduction

In this enlightening episode of "Who Smarted?," hosted by Martin Goodman and the Trusty Narrator, listeners embark on an adventure through the rich histories of two of the most iconic names in the comic book industry: Marvel and DC Comics. Blending humor with educational insights, the episode delves into the origins, evolution, and enduring rivalry between these two giants, making complex histories accessible and entertaining for kids, parents, and educators alike.

Origins of DC and Marvel Comics

The episode kicks off with a whimsical tale from the Trusty Narrator, setting the stage for a deep dive into the backstories of Marvel and DC Comics.

• DC Comics: The Early Days

  • Founded: 1934
  • Original Name: National Allied Publications
  • Renamed to DC: 1977, inspired by the popular "Detective Comics" series featuring Batman.

  Notable Quote:
  Trusty Narrator (00:49): “...DC Comics began in 1934, five years before Marvel. But guess what? Neither DC or Marvel started out with those names.”

• Marvel Comics: The Beginning

  • Founded: 1939
  • Original Name: Timely Comics
  • Renamed to Marvel Comics: 1961

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (05:28): “Whoa. That's right. I started Timely comics in 1939.”

First Superheroes: Pioneers of the Genre

Delving into the characters that set the foundation for each universe, the hosts highlight the inaugural superheroes of DC and Marvel.

• DC's First Superhero: Superman

  Notable Quote:
  Trusty Narrator (05:54): “Did you say Superman? You’re right.”

• Marvel's Early Heroes: Human Torch and Sub-Mariner

  • Human Torch (Jim Hammond): An android, not to be confused with Johnny Storm of the Fantastic Four.
  • Sub-Mariner: Often overshadowed by DC’s Aquaman, but recognized as Marvel’s first mutant character.

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (07:46): “He's actually number one. As in the very first Marvel Comics superhero.”

Rise and Fall of Superhero Popularity

The conversation transitions to the fluctuating popularity of superheroes over the decades.

• Golden Age of Comics (1940s):

  • Superheroes like Captain America fought real-life adversaries such as Hitler and the Nazis.

• Decline and Transformation:

  • By the late 1940s, superhero popularity waned.
  • 1951: Timely Comics rebranded to Atlas Comics, shifting focus to genres like westerns, horror, and science fiction.

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (08:31): “Which was way before the Avengers.”

Rebirth and the Marvel Universe

Marvel's resurgence in the 1960s is attributed to the creative genius of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, who pioneered the concept of a shared universe where superheroes interact more organically.

• Creation of the Marvel Universe:

  • Introduced characters like Spider-Man, the Incredible Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, and the X-Men.
  • Emphasis on realistic personalities and interpersonal dynamics among heroes.

  Notable Quote:
  Trusty Narrator (13:03): “Any ideas? Was it Iron Man? Hulk? Thor? Falcon?”

Distinctive Differences Between Marvel and DC

The hosts explore what sets Marvel apart from DC, focusing on storytelling techniques and character development.

• Setting:

  • Marvel: Stories often set in real-life locations such as New York City, Los Angeles, and Washington D.C., adding relatability.
  • DC: Utilizes fictional cities like Gotham and Metropolis, fostering a more mythic atmosphere.

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (14:21): “The answer is Marvel stories were set mostly in real life locations. Unlike Gotham or Metropolis, home to Batman and Superman.”

• Character Depth:

  • Marvel: Heroes are portrayed as human and flawed, with intricate and unexpected origin stories.
  • DC: While also rich in character development, often emphasizes archetypal heroism.

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (14:58): “Our superheroes are very human, imperfect characters with interesting and unexpected origin stories.”

Rivalry and Similarities

Despite their differences, Marvel and DC have influenced each other, leading to similarities in characters and story arcs.

• Comparable Characters:

  • Avengers vs. Justice League
  • Hawkeye vs. Green Arrow
  • Deadpool vs. Deathstroke

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (15:06): “They create very similar characters and powers. For example, the Avengers and the Justice League...”

Marvel's Financial Struggles and Cinematic Triumph

The episode addresses Marvel's bankruptcy in 1996 and its strategic comeback through the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU).

• Bankruptcy and Rebirth:

  • 1996: Marvel Comics declared bankruptcy.
  • MCU Initiation: Starting with "Iron Man" in 2008, Marvel began producing interconnected films leading to massive success.

  Notable Quote:
  Martin Goodman (16:47): “And that's when the Marvel Cinematic Universe began...”

• Impact of the MCU:

  • Grossed over $1.5 billion worldwide.
  • Pioneered a shared storytelling model in cinema.
  • Promoted diversity and inclusion, highlighted by "Black Panther" winning three Oscars in 2018.

  Notable Quote:
  Trusty Narrator (17:45): “Black Panther became the first Marvel movie to win an Academy Award when it took home three Oscars in 2018.”

Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, Martin Goodman and the Trusty Narrator celebrate the enduring legacies of Marvel and DC Comics. They emphasize the significance of understanding the historical contexts and creative innovations that have fueled the popularity of superheroes across generations. The episode not only educates but also inspires young minds to appreciate the depth and complexity behind their favorite characters.

Final Notable Quote:
Trusty Narrator (18:21): “Now that's what I call an origin story.”

Credits and Acknowledgments

The episode concludes with acknowledgments to fans and contributors, highlighting the collaborative effort behind "Who Smarted?" and its mission to make learning fun and accessible.

This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the episode, providing listeners with a clear and detailed understanding of the historical rivalry between Marvel and DC Comics. By incorporating notable quotes and timestamps, the summary offers valuable insights while maintaining an engaging and educational narrative.