We Mic'd Our Fights | Sadie Robertson Huff | Jason & Lauren Kennedy

Summary

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WHOA That’s Good Podcast

Episode: We Mic'd Our Fights | Sadie Robertson Huff | Jason & Lauren Kennedy
Host: Sadie Robertson Huff
Guests: Jason & Lauren Kennedy
Date: August 20, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode welcomes Jason and Lauren Kennedy back to the podcast for an honest, lively discussion about their relationship journey, the realities of marriage with young kids, communication challenges, infertility and IVF, and their recent decision to record (and share) their marriage therapy sessions. Sadie, as always, seeks to surface the best life lessons and practical encouragement from her guests’ real-life stories.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. A Relationship Story: How Jason & Lauren Met

• [02:11 – 15:53]
  • Jason shares his initial curiosity about Lauren after seeing a news story about her accident (“Model loses arm and eye in plane accident”). He filed it away until their paths crossed in the context of E! News coverage.
  • Juliana Rancic, Jason’s co-host, eventually interviews Lauren and subtly sets them up.
  • Their initial meeting at E! News isn’t love at first sight, but Jason gives Lauren local recommendations and his number.
  • Lauren, Southern at heart, hesitates but eventually texts Jason (a moment memorialized on a note they’ve framed).
  • A hike together leads to more talking, FaceTiming, and eventually dating—despite major logistical challenges (LA/NYC/Texas).
  • Quote:

    “Nothing at that point in life made sense for me to date Lo, as we call it.”
    – Jason ([13:54])

2. Lessons from Their Unlikely Romance

• [17:14 – 22:44]
  • The couple highlights the benefit of not ruling things out due to logistics; rather, sometimes you just have to “marinate” in the relationship and see what unfolds.
  • Sadie relates this to advice she’s given: stop talking yourself out of possibilities just because you can’t see how it all could work.
  • Quote:

    “Stop overthinking it, you know, …years pass and you have no idea the opportunities... that you’re missing out on.”
    – Jason ([21:44])

3. Infertility & IVF: Their Journey to Having Kids

• [25:36 – 33:21]
  • Lauren describes their laid-back approach at first, shaped by openness about IVF in her family history (she and her twin sister were “early” IVF babies).
  • They sought medical evaluation, found a trusted doctor, and chose not to overwhelm themselves with internet research or external opinions.
  • Involving friends and making the journey communal helped ease the stress.
  • Jason details what he learned about male infertility and how common IVF has become.
  • Quote:

    “It became abundantly clear to us that we were not going to be able to get pregnant naturally. We were okay with that after we digested it and we started that journey. …It was incredible. …And it worked.”
    – Jason ([29:02])

  • They openly documented parts of the journey, helping break shame for others experiencing infertility.
  • In a surprise twist, after their first child was born via IVF, Lauren became pregnant naturally with their second child—contrary to doctors' predictions.
  • Quote:

    “We were told… from California to Dallas that it wouldn’t happen. …But again, that’s ridiculous. We’re not running the show.”
    – Jason ([32:56])

4. Birth Stories, Miracles, and Perspectives on Pain

• [35:06 – 47:35]
  • The group discusses traumatic and complicated births, and how the brain tends to “forget” the pain due to the joy of the outcome.
  • Sadie and Lauren share how musical and spiritual moments marked their deliveries.
  • They reflect on how experiencing “miracles” often means having to go through desperation and hard things.
  • Quote:

    “When you’re young, you’re like, ‘I want a miracle.’ …Then when you’re older, you realize in order to see a miracle, you have to go through a moment of desperation.”
    – Sadie ([43:56])

5. Marriage with Young Kids: Communication & Therapy

• [15:53 – 23:00, 47:35 – 55:04]
  • Jason & Lauren describe this as their hardest season of marriage (“arguing more than ever”), and credit therapy as crucial for navigating their relationship through parenting little ones.
  • Lauren’s background (her parents are marriage counselors who remarried after divorce) shaped her openness to therapy.
  • Jason confesses vulnerability around validation and communication.
  • Quote:

    “How do I not try to win an argument and just actually have a conversation and validate… If I hear the word validate one more time, I’m going to lose my mind.”
    – Jason ([48:58])

  • They recently recorded and released a real therapy session as a podcast, receiving overwhelmingly positive feedback and helping normalize married couples seeking help.
  • Sadie emphasizes the value of long-form conversation in teaching practical relationship skills, noting that social media “shorts” can’t replace authentic dialogue.
  • Quote:

    “To get to give the gift to people, to look into a marriage and …hear a counselor speak into it and you guys receive it… that is so inspiring and so good and so needed.”
    – Sadie ([53:18])

6. Naming the Therapy Podcast: “Validated”?

• [54:28 – 55:20]
  • The group brainstorms a title for Jason & Lauren’s podcast, riffing on the idea of “validation” in marriage.
  • “Validate” and “Validated” emerge as frontrunners, with humorous banter about copyright and the meaning behind valuing your partner’s experiences.
  • Quote:

    “If I hear validate again… but that’s kind of what validate… Like, valid… Validated…”
    – Sadie ([54:38])

  • The group laughs about Sadie’s listeners getting to be “there at the beginning” if the title sticks.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “It wasn’t this love at first sight thing, but …we went on that hike and it was really… a beautiful day.”
  – Jason ([13:39])
• “The gears start turning a little bit… I was doing the Today Show at the time and hosting E! News. So every week I was flying back and forth…”
  – Jason ([14:24])
• “I just think it was not as stressful a process for us, because we found a doctor we trusted. …I put boundaries on myself. Like, I’m not going to Google anything.”
  – Lauren ([26:29])
• “It worked. And sometimes it doesn’t work. …You learn the right and wrong things to say to people. Like, ‘Just keep trying.’ Well, that doesn’t help.”
  – Jason ([29:00])
• “After all that, doing a C-section, and then …our doctor literally, like, stuck his hands up my area and just pulled River out…”
  – Lauren ([39:20])
• “It’s a panic moment. …But it is funny how your brain, like, forgets because you’re just so grateful for what pregnancy brought you and what labor brought you.”
  – Sadie ([35:56])
• “How do we come together? …How do I not try to win an argument and just actually have a conversation and validate. …If I hear the word validate one more time, I’m going to lose my mind.”
  – Jason ([48:58])
• “The beautiful thing about podcasting and long-form conversation… is that people can see how to overcome an argument… You can’t learn that much in a TikTok.”
  – Sadie ([52:17])
• “I feel like generally in my life …women …want to approach things that are harder… Men …have to almost, like, learn that skill.”
  – Lauren ([50:12])

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Important Timestamps

• [02:11 – 15:53]: Jason & Lauren’s relationship origin story
• [17:14 – 22:44]: Logistics vs. letting relationships grow, lessons for singles
• [25:36 – 33:21]: Infertility, IVF, community, miracle of second natural pregnancy
• [35:06 – 47:35]: Labor stories, memory, miracles, perspective on pain and faith
• [48:00 – 55:20]: Marriage therapy, communication, validation, launching their therapy podcast

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Conclusion: Episode Impact & Takeaways

This episode is an honest, hopeful look at marriage, struggles, and resilience. The Kennedys' willingness to “mic their fights,” open up about infertility, and share unromantic but real moments gives listeners permission to be authentic in their own relationships. The dialogue models practical ways to practice empathy, let go of control, and invite community—even (and especially) in seasons that feel overwhelming. The recurring theme: Trust the process, don’t overthink the “how,” ask for help, and let real conversations happen.

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Transcript

[A]

What's up? Everybody happy? Well, that's good Wednesday. I hope you're having a great week, but it is about to get so much better because we have two of my favorite guests and your favorite guest back on the podcast, and I really don't say that lightly. The last time they were on was one of our biggest podcasts ever. No joke. I'm not even kidding. You're shaking your head. It's true. We have Jason and Lauren Kennedy back on the podcast. Welcome back, guys.

[B]

Thank you, Sadie. Were you just gassing us up? Are those true statistics?

[A]

Literally not gassing y' all up. That's a true statistic. That year, y' all were one of our top five of that year that y' all were on.

[B]

It was probably Renee Kennedy, my mom, and Cheryl Scruggs just refreshing over and over and over saying, this one's amazing.

[A]

No, it was like, it. Not only was it, this is my favorite type of podcast whenever they do well, because it's not just that it gets a lot of views or listens. It's the reshares, it's the comments, it's the things that people really took from it. Like, it was talked about for a long time, even after it was released. And ever since, we're like, we have to have them back. People love them. And it's really impressive, too, because most of our top five every year are always, like, family episodes when I have, like, my parents on or my siblings or something. And then it's always, like, one special guest, and you guys broke the family mold.

[B]

So that's unbelievable. I'm so glad that it resonated with people and it connected. Connected with all your amazing listeners. So thank you for having us back. We are truly honored to be here. It's so easy to chat with you.

[A]

I'm so thankful. Well, today's gonna be so fun. One thing that people love the first time is just hearing about how y' all met in your relationship story. And because it has been so long since you've been on, we have a lot of new listeners, and everybody loves a relationship story. Can y' all remind everyone just how the two of y' all met and how long y' all been married?

[B]

What do you want to take on that?

[C]

So I never know how to start.

[A]

Hey, podcast listeners love the full story, so you don't have to Instagram caption this. You can tell us the story.

[B]

We'll let it breathe. As they say in the business, it's a pretty wild story. I love sharing this story because I Love seeing people's visual reactions and hearing what their reactions are when we say it. So whenever it does come up once in a while to a newer group of people, it's. It's cool because the conversation can just take on a life of its own. But long story long, I've been a TV host for like 16 years on E. News. Took a little break now back contributing to E. News, but I'll never forget I was sitting at my desk and I went on to TMZ.com probably could have been on a better website, but sometimes you get there's some good news on there, you know, And I saw a really sad story. It said, model loses arm and eye in plane accident by from like a plane propeller. And I'm thinking to myself, this, this is crazy. So I kind of put it in my brain. I kind of filed it away, and it became a big story, grew overnight. How does something like this happen? Who did this happen to? Who is this? Lauren Scruggs from Dallas, Texas. And we covered it on E. Quite frequently. And then I said, I would love to interview Lauren about what happened. I reached out. There was some email or I think you had some, like a caring bridge or something, one of those. It was like, not a GoFundMe or anything, but it was like Caring bridge to keep people updated on the progress. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I remember I emailed and I said, would love to interview Lauren. Would love to meet Lauren. I know right now is not the time, but when she's recovered and has some bandwidth to talk, let's do this. And never heard back.

[A]

Hey, you guys shoot your shot.

[B]

That's right. Never heard back. And then probably a year later, my co host at the time and best friend Juliana Rancic, said, Lauren Scruggs. Remember that name. And I said, yeah, of course. Well, I'm going to interview her in Beverly Hills at the Peninsula Hotel. And then after, I'm going to bring her back to the E. News studio because we had to shoot the show that day. And I said, oh, my gosh. Yeah, I can't wait to meet her. And what did Juliana say to you to get you to come back to the studio because you were still recovering. I mean, it hadn't even been a full year, and there was physical transformations happening after surgeries and stuff. Do you remember?

[C]

So, yeah, I didn't know him at all, obviously, before.

[A]

And then.

[B]

Ouch. Didn't watch.

[C]

Oh, my God, no. To, like, personally, of course I knew you.

[B]

I don't think, you know, you said you didn't you didn't know? She had no clue.

[C]

She. I. I don't remember. I don't.

[A]

Did you see the email he sent? Was there a reason you didn't respond or had you just not seen it?

[C]

I wasn't even like managing my own emails. I think it was. I don't know, someone took over.

[B]

There was a blur for you.

[C]

Yeah. So I don't. I was never even a part of like my emails or anything because there was so much going on. I think my best friend was handling it during that time and because. Do you remember when he reached out?

[B]

Yeah, shortly after the. Yeah, shortly after the accident, which, I mean, you were in the hospital for many weeks and she was, she was off the grid. So.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

By the way, we have two children, 18 months and three, and they are downstairs and thank you for being patient with the sounds coming. My 82 year old mom is downstairs. She's visiting from Florida. She's looking after them. So there could be some background noise. Not ideal on a podcast, but it.

[C]

What it is, people.

[A]

No, I have a four year old and a two year old and one on the way. And we've actually had Honey and Haven on the podcast and I like went back and watched the episode because it was like when Honey turned three and Haven was turning one and I'm like, I don't know if anybody else loved it, but I loved it. Like, you know, it's like 20 minutes of just nothingness. But it was the greatest thing ever to me. Oh my God.

[C]

Oh, that's.

[B]

Yeah. So we, we were, you know, getting ready to shoot the show. You came to the studio.

[C]

Background is so I. Well, I don't even share that detail, but I. So Juliana reached out. She actually found out she had breast cancer. Weirdly. I met her at the Fashion Week before my accident. So my accident was in December.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

And we met. I don't think she would remember. She was in like such a daze. And I learned that after because she just found out she had breast cancer but hadn't talked about it at all. And just like so briefly met in the hotel and she later had a mastectomy and it was in the hospital healing and just told Bill, like, I need to reach out to that girl. She's on. Or she was watching an update on the TV and she was like, I want to let her know she still has so much hope and so much life ahead. And so she reached out. I remember on Twitter and then we just started Skyping. That was kind of like the thing then and she was really vulnerable with me about her experience with breast cancer. And I feel like we just bonded really quickly. And so about a year, a little less than a year after that, she was like, can I do an interview with you and like, sit down with you? And I was like, I would love that. And so after the interview, she was like, do you know Jason Kennedy? Like, y' all both love God and people. And I feel like you guys would just be really good to know. But like, she was definitely trying to set us up, but we didn't know.

[B]

That at the time. And you. You probably didn't want to mention it earlier. I just noticed that a couple of minutes ago. But you were kind of talking to a guy in your recovery. Like you were in therapy, Physical therapy. Essentially you had the hots for one of the baseball guys who was. He was like recovering or something. We still don't know his name. She won't. She won't say no.

[C]

You met him? Oh, I did, yeah.

[A]

So I didn't realize that this just.

[C]

Did at one day laugh.

[B]

Okay, got it.

[A]

He's like, which face?

[B]

Now I'm like, oh, my gosh.

[C]

No, he. So I started rehab at the hospital and I would come home, like crying every day or crying to go. And my dad was like, what is going? Like, why are you so upset to go? And he came in with me. He would usually just like, I would just walk in myself and he'd like drop me off. And he came in and he was like. I just was like encouraging everyone, but everyone was just in like crazy circumstances. And they really like sheltered me in the hospital because of the news. So it like. And they also babied me a lot. And I was like, My dad was like, this is not for you. Because you just are the type. Your personality is like, you need to be challenged and all this. So anyways, I went to. At the time it was athletes performance. Now I think it's exos, but it was like probably 20 minor major baseball and football players, like training for the upcoming season. So they were like right in her wheelhouse.

[A]

Yeah. You're like, this is my favorite model.

[B]

I wasn't a sports guy.

[A]

Good place to be. No.

[C]

So it was like very healing for me because also I'm from Texas, so I would just like go throw the football with the guy. Like, we would just do so many things and they just didn't care that I was missing in a hand or an eye. And like, they were amazing. They like planned a one year anniversary for me.

[A]

Like, aww, so cool.

[C]

It was just so sweet.

[A]

What a good dad, too. To, like, see that in you that that was not the place you needed to be and move you. That's cool.

[C]

Totally. So it was. Anyways, there were, like, crushes. That happened too. And so that was. I had a crush on this guy when I met him, so I wasn't.

[A]

Even thinking about if you are. I just have to show Carson. Blair, it's out. The news is rode out in the open.

[B]

I'm gonna go to IG after this and check his profile, see what Carson's up to.

[A]

Don't scroll, don't scroll. Jason, don't get into the tag photos.

[B]

Oh, got it, got it, got it.

[A]

Okay, listen to everyone listening to this podcast. I would just highly encourage you to watch this on YouTube just for Jason's facial expressions. I know everything once. It's so great.

[B]

She's getting a lot of side eyes.

[A]

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[B]

So she. So she brings you to E. But it wasn't like, in my mind, it wasn't like she was trying to set us up. Juliana knew that I wanted to meet Lauren, interview Lauren. And you got to understand. Said, you probably know this, but a lot of viewers may not know when there's a big news story. And you've got Good Morning America and Today show. From Katie Couric to all the major networks trying to get the big interview. They send gift baskets, and they say, we'll fly you first class, and we will put you in the nicest hotels and whatever you need, you know, they don't pay, but. Because that's, you know, not broadcast. You know, standards and, you know, all that stuff. But they will take care of you. And Juliana really never did any of that. It was this really beautiful friendship. And you did a few other interviews, but Juliana, I think, was one of your last. And I'm thankful that happened, because when she came to the studio, I'll never forget it, I was like, hey, nice to meet you. Oh, my gosh. Really encouraged by her story. It wasn't this love at first sight thing, but I said, here are three things that I would love for you to do that I think you would enjoy. Go try an omelette at this place. I heard you. I had heard her dad likes watches, so check out this watch store. And then if you like hikes, don't go to the hike that everybody does in LA Runyon Canyon. That thing is way too bougie. Go to Franklin Canyon. Here's my cell if you have any questions. And we, to this day, actually said what?

[C]

It was a Friday, and I was with my mom in the studio, and you were like, if you want to go hiking, I'm going hiking tomorrow with one of my best friends. If you want to come, just text me.

[B]

Me. Oh, I was that overt. It's been 12 years.

[C]

I am so Southern in the fact that I'm not the type to, like, text a boy.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

That's just, like, ingrained in me.

[A]

That is a thing. Yeah.

[C]

Because you, like, you know, said, if you're interested, text.

[B]

Got it.

[C]

So I was like, well, she sent.

[B]

The text, ladies and gentlemen, and we still have that piece of paper framed in our house to this day in our office. And it's a really great reminder because we went on that hike and it was really. It was a beautiful day. And we, you know, it had exchanged numbers. We were talking, we were texting, we were FaceTiming here and there, but nothing at that point in life made sense for me to date Low, as we call it.

[C]

Say what Ryan did after.

[B]

Oh, yeah. My friend who was hiking with us after they left, he starts getting emotional. He's, like, dabbing his eyes and he goes, I don't know, man. I feel like she'd be great for you. And I said, are you crying? You never really get emotional like this. And Ryan said, yes, she would be perfect for you. So the gears start turning a little bit, actually. I was doing the Today show at the time and hosting E News. So every week I was flying back and forth from LA to New York to date someone in Texas. There was no time whatsoever, prayed about it, didn't want to make any fast decisions, but it just. We. We just kept marinating in the relationship. And you came out and visited one time, and I think we knew at that point that it felt right. This was. This was going to happen. So that's awesome. The rest is kind of history. We've been married 10 years. We've got our two little nuggets, and we are. You know, it's funny because we were talking about this before we went live. We could talk about it whenever you want, but this is a season of life where I feel like we've been arguing more than ever. And we're in therapy, and it's just hard with kids this age where you kind of just. It's just them, them, them and trying to navigate all that. So I said, let's just put on a microphone and a camera and record our therapy session, like a real live therapy session with our therapist. And it was. It's really good. So we're. We're obsessed.

[A]

And this is out there in the world.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

It's out there right now.

[A]

We gotta go.

[B]

Listen, was it your idea? I feel like it was. No. Well, it wasn't.

[C]

No, it was you.

[B]

Oh, I wanted to give you the credit for that. We were trying to figure out what do we do here. Because she came from a therapy background. Her parents, your mother cheated on your dad. They got divorced for seven years. Begged your dad, hey, please. I made a mistake.

[C]

She became a Christian, like, six months after their divorce.

[B]

They quit their corporate jobs, they remarried to each other, and now they're marriage counselors. So therapy.

[A]

So cool. Wow.

[B]

Crazy, right?

[A]

Yeah. What a crazy story.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So Jeff and Cheryl are therapists. My. My Parents are not therapists. Therapy wasn't a big thing in our family. So coming, like, coming into a family of marriage counselors and the idea of talking about your feelings and going deep, that was definitely foreign to me. But it's been really healing and really beautiful, and the response has been really nice.

[C]

And even after just my accident, I feel like you just go through. I went through, like, so many different forms of therapy. Yeah. Depending on, like, what was happening, you know me.

[A]

But, yeah, man, that is so cool. I did not know that about your story or that your parents are therapists. And I love that y' all are talking about that. We talk about that a lot on the show. I actually just had my counselor on a couple weeks ago and kind of similar. It's always funny whenever she comes on, because I know it's going to end up being, like, a therapy session, and she's, like, so private and, like, she would never share any of my stuff, but I share all my stuff, you know, so. So it's, like, so great to have her on and for people to see, like, what that dynamic looks like, because it is so helpful for someone else to speak truth into your life and help you get to the place or the point that you really see the truth in your life. Like, it's been so helpful for us. Christian and I always talk about it because we've had our same counselor for premarital, and then she's been our counselor throughout our whole marriage. And she sees both of us, but also, like, us individually. And I'm always like, I don't know where we would be without her. Like, I'm so thankful for the ways that she's spoken to her life. But also, I just want to point out something before we get too far from it, because I always tell people, like, I love memoir books, because whenever you meet, like, read a memoir, I feel like you learn so much more than you do from a book that has, like, step one, two, and three. But you can't necessarily, like. Like, when someone says, what'd you learn from that? You. You don't know exactly what to say. But you took so much from life experience. And one thing I do want to shout out story is even how you said you were literally living in la. You're going from LA to New York, bouncing back. Here's a girl who lives in Dallas. It made no sense to date at the time, but yet you just kept marinating on the relationship. And then now y' all are married for 10 years, have two kids, and I think so Many people, like, that's such a good lesson in life, to not just rule out something because it logistically doesn't seem like it's going to happen. Because I was talking to someone the other day, and he's an older guy. He's been, like, really wanting to get married and settle down. And me and Christian were having dinner with him, and we were telling him about this awesome girl, and it was just this thing where he's like, but I mean, how would that work? Like, she lives here, and I live here, and I'm like, don't worry about how it's gonna work. Just. Just go on a date or, like, call her. Like, just start the conversation. And he just could not get out of his head that she lives here and he lived there and how that would work and what she does and what he does. And he. He literally just talked himself out of it, and he never even reached out. And I was like, man, that, you know, obviously, God has a good plan. You're not going to mess it up. But that could have been a big miss, you know, just because we talk ourselves out of things, because it doesn't look like the logistics are there. So I love in yalls story, it did not seem, like, doable, but you just made it happen. How long did y' all date before y' all actually got married? Yeah. Or.

[C]

Well, I think a year before we got engaged.

[B]

I told her a little lie because I. I could tell she wanted to be engaged before you moved to California. And I posted a picture of, like, these clouds from the airplane, and I said, flying to New York. Get ready to do the Today show. When, in fact, I was flying to Dallas to propose to her. So she thought that I was in New York. I had my family there. All her friends had flown in. It was. It was amazing. And that was about six months into the relationship. And I just wanted a year. A year. Sorry, guys. I don't remember times anymore. I don't remember times. I'm so bad with that stuff now. I barely remember what I did today. And it's only noon.

[A]

I do that, too. And it's so funny because you say it so confidently. And that's six months, and you're so. That was a year. That's me.

[B]

She remembers dates way better than me.

[C]

No, I kind of don't.

[B]

It was a year.

[C]

Yeah. More. Because people ask that question so much, and I, like, literally go back in my head, and I'm like, what was happening? Otherwise I would have no clue.

[B]

Oh, I know. With the six Months after we got engaged, we, we got married six months later. Is that accurate information? Ish?

[C]

Oh, yeah, I think so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I knew the six months had something to do with it, but I, but I could tell after we were discussing, like, I didn't want her to move to la, like, leave her family, everything she's ever known, especially still in recovery from her accident, move to this, you know, big city and me not be all in. Even though in my mind I knew I was all in. So I, you know, I tricked her and decided to propose there. And then 6ish months later we get married. But I wanted to piggyback on what you were saying, Sadie, because we, I, I've talked to a lot of friends, like the friend that you were just talking about and how common is it that we get so far ahead and we don't even know? Like in the moment, we forget, like, okay, you're at dinner right now having this conversation and you don't even know what you're going to order for dinner right now, and yet you're trying to plan 5, 10 years ahead. How is this going to work? How, how, how, how? It's. Don't do that. I feel like years pass when you play the how game and you have no idea the opportunities, the relationships, job, everything that you're missing out on. And I, I just think that that's a really good point because I run into people, we run into people like that all the time. And I'm like, stop overthinking it, you know, and yeah, it's just, hopefully that can just be a good reminder. I'm glad you said that.

[A]

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[C]

I feel like it was funny because we didn't. Well, I think at the beginning of or a few years after we were married, we were like, we could start trying now or whatever. And we were just had that kind of mindset, but not like, I'm gonna track my cycle. It wasn't ever really like that. And then I remember talking to my mom. I remember, like, what street I was on in Studio City. And she was like, maybe you should just, like, go check yourself physically to see if there's anything that's, like, keeping you from getting pregnant. But we weren't, like, desperate for it. We're like, we want kids, but we feel like we have so much joy in our life, and it'll only add to our joy. But, like, just we knew. God knew when these kids, if we could have any, would come into our life. So. And backstory. My parents actually did. They lived out here for several years, and they did the. One of the first forms of IVF with my sister and I, so we're twins, and.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

So I feel like I just heard so much about IVF growing up and just with, like, no shame. My mom, like, shared so much with us about it and the whole process, so I was pretty familiar with it. But anyways, we went to go get, like, physically checked, and then we were like, okay, maybe we need to, like, do some things and meet with some specialists. Yeah. But I feel like we both just really embraced the process. Like, I feel like it was not this, like, might sound so crazy. I just think it was, like, not as stressful process for us, because I feel like we found a doctor we trusted and connected with and just felt it just was so efficient, smooth, and a good experience. And I put, like, boundaries on myself. Like, I'm not going to Google anything. I'm going to trust this doctor. I. I'm not all for medicine, if it were, like, my choice. But, like, medicine truly, like, helped save my life alongside. Obviously, like, the Lord ultimately is in control, but, like, there's such a place for it. And I remember reading a book, actually. I think it was, like, pray big things, and she was talking about how forever she thought IVF or whatever was wrong. And she just got, like, such clarity from the Lord one day that it was the next step and that it was, like, a gift that this is available and that we can use this to help have kids. And she ended up having triplets or whatever. But I remember reading that book and being like. It was like, so clear to me. I was like, we're supposed to do this. And we started that process, and I feel like we were just in it together. We involved our friends. Like, our friend was a nurse five minutes away, and she would come give me shots. And it just like made it really communal and great. And I feel like we just like, really trusted the process.

[B]

But it was hard. I mean, I remember that shot story just was a Tuesday at 7pm and we're in a parking lot. And there were a lot of painful moments for you, because I remember seeing it. I'm like, man, this is wild what women have to go through just to get pregnant. You know, in high school, it's like, you can get pregnant, be careful, you could get pregnant. And it's very hard. And I remember the first time I went in there to try to figure out, is it me, is it her, is it both of us? And even the little things, the doctor's like, where do you put your cell phone? I'm like, well, in my pocket. He goes, do you realize every 10, 15 seconds, you know, there's radiation hitting that phone? There's a signal going there, kills all.

[C]

Of your sperm within seconds.

[B]

Yeah, so. And now the numbers of people not being able to have kids are drastically skyrocketing. You can look up and do the research yourself and see. So the whole journey was eye opening, fascinating. It became abundantly clear to us that we were not going to be able to get pregnant naturally. We were okay with that after we digested it and we started that journey. And it was. Yeah, it was. It was incredible. And it worked. And sometimes it doesn't work. We have a lot of friends going through it right now, and it's so easy to get stressed out about it. And you learn the right and wrong things to say to people, like, just keep trying. Well, that doesn't help. Saying that to a woman whose body is being exhausted, you know, so it's been. It's really special. It's really private and personal. And for some reason, talking about it just became a natural response. And you did such a great job at making people feel like they were a part of the journey. And I think ultimately really helped people.

[C]

Well, it was cool because there were girls friends of ours that we didn't even know were doing ivf. And was it kind of during COVID time? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you can come up.

[B]

Don't ask me. We're not good with dates.

[C]

Yeah, the time during COVID because you weren't allowed. You weren't like, allowed to bring a guest up to the.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But so I remember the first time we went, like, I went in to get something done. I don't know what it was, but I came down and you're like, how did it go? And you're recording me and I'm like, kind of used to him just recording. And so I didn't think anything of it. And then he posted it. Didn't think it, like, didn't care anything and. But it was because it wasn't like, super intentional. And then I remember us getting so many messages from women being like, oh, my gosh, thank you so much for sharing. I just feel so much shame and I feel like a failure that I have to do this. And I mean, like, so many. It was so eye opening. And yeah, it was like, cool how that worked because we weren't even thinking, oh, so many people feel this way about this process. It was just like naturally sharing and then that occurring. And I truly think so much of that is because of my mom just being so open about it when I was a kid. But also. And it's just being such like a gift to have the opportunity to do that. Even though, yeah, it's like, not always easy. But I think perspective of like, not minimizing that pain, but your perspective of like, I'm doing this for a reason. And for me the most helpful is like, bringing people around me. I had a few friends that were like a couple months ahead of me. And truly there were like three of them. And they'd be like, okay, during this point, for a week, you'll kind of feel really bloated and like, really tired and uncomfortable. And it was so nice to have just like friends in that journey. And that's so cool.

[B]

Then you were got overstimulated and we had to go to the er. There were nights. There were definitely nights. So I know you say the process was like, kind of. I just remember. I think sometimes it's easy as time passes to kind of show some of those memories, but you are unbelievable. And. And now we have River Rhodes Kennedy, who is 3 years old. And fast forward a little bit. We were at a friend's birthday party and I'll never forget it. We get home and Lo's like, I haven't been feeling good. I think I wanted you to have like a glass of wine or something. And you're like, I just haven't been feeling good. I'm like, for how long? Three weeks?

[D]

What?

[B]

So I go to cvs, she pees on the stick, and she's like, I'm not pregnant. And then she holds it up. Pregnant, naturally. What are we talking about?

[C]

I feel like I kind of knew that night because I was like, I had the exact same feelings I had with Rib when I was at the beginning of that pregnancy. And I was like, oh, my gosh. Because we didn't think that would happen.

[B]

We were told from multiple doctors and specialists that from California to Dallas that it wouldn't happen. And a lot of people didn't say that to us. We always wanted to have another child. You know, I think going back to planning your life out, the plan was maybe another year or two down the road. But again, that's ridiculous. We're not planning anything in life. We're not. We're not running the show.

[A]

That is the coolest story. That's crazy. It's so cool. It's. I love hearing your perspective, because even just walking through this a little bit with my sister and hearing just things that people have said to her and things that people post and whatnot, the whole talk about IVF has been, like, a really hard thing to process for her because there's just so many opinions. And I think it's super cool to hear a perspective from someone whose mom has such a beautiful perspective because it brought her her greatest joys in life. And you're, like, always grew up feeling like, of course this is the biggest blessing. Like, this is the avenue in which, like, God used for me to be here. And so then for you to, like, have that perspective of it, it's just so cool. And how you were like, I didn't want to Google anything. I didn't want to. I just, like, trusted that this was the path that we were on. This is the doctor that we have. Like, that is just a really refreshing perspective from your story that not a lot of people have heard, you know, because a lot of people, their perspective is, like, from Google or from Instagram or from people's opinions or some story that they heard. And so it's just, like, super cool that that was their perspective going in. And I love, too, that you looking back on it was like, oh, it's such a wonderful journey. And then Jason's like, yeah, but it was really hard because that's so just, like, pregnancy in general. I was talking to my doctor because I'm about to have our third. And we're. I have to have C sections. Because of our first labor, we had, like, a really rare thing. And so anyways, I have to have C sections. And I was like, what do you think about a V bag? Like, I just asked my daughter. He's like, I think you forgot. Do I need to remind you? You know what happened?

[B]

Copy.

[A]

Yeah, copy. Sorry, I should have let that lingo go a little different.

[B]

Dr. Robertson over here.

[A]

I know, right? Because a lot of people, you know, have C sections and they have VBACs, but, like, I wasn't really remembering. Oh. Like, mine wasn't just a normal situation. Like, obviously that would be not a good idea for us, but it was just funny because I think you forgot. And I was like, I think I did. And he was kind of reminding me of some things in the hospital, and I was like, oh, yeah, no, let's just do a C section. Never mind. But it is funny how your brain, like, forgets because you're just so grateful for what pregnancy brought you and what labor brought you. No matter how painful it was or crazy it was, it's, like, really cool how that happens to our brains. When you think back.

[D]

What is up, y'?

[C]

All?

[D]

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[C]

Well, I think during that process, honestly, I think a lot of it was I had been through, like, such a crazy recovery with my accident that in your brain, you're kind of like, nothing could have been worse than that. Or nothing can be worse.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[C]

But how supported I was during that process. And I healed very well and was felt so, so much community around me in the worst times and in great little, even, like, tiny celebrations that we would have all the time. And, like, so in my mind, perspective, it wasn't like, a huge deal, but I know that's, like, super rare and weird.

[B]

It's just in my mind, it was a huge deal because I wasn't with her when she went through her first accident.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So to me, I'm totally just freaking out. And we had a similar. I don't know your birth story. I apologize if you've shared that before, but I, you know, being at the hospital and river, we were going to do natural birth. It didn't work out after 24 hours. And then we get to the hospital and he's got the cord wrapped around him. He's decelerating, I believe was the word. And then, you know, then they're like, we have to do an emergency C section. And then like, 20 doctors come in. And after all that doing a C.

[C]

Section, and we ended up doing, like, vacuum. But then our doctor literally, like, stuck his hands up my area and just pulled river out. And I was like, thank you. He could, like, see that I didn't want to do. I knew what. Emergency. Emergency.

[B]

What a description.

[A]

Because you're already like that. Hey, look, this podcast, they heard it. I. I came on and told my birth story right after.

[C]

I was like, one, two.

[A]

Honey. No, that. Seriously, I think I've said on this podcast before, because I was telling my birth story. And similarly, like, we probably should have gone to the emergency C section. But it was like, it's that moment where if you, like, you're kind of too far in it. Like, you have to go on this. Yeah. Like, you have to. And they started pushing on my abdomen. It was the most painful thing, but I was like. I was just. It was so crazy because it pushed me down. Everything's crazy. And I've said on this podcast before, I was like, I felt like a deer in the wild. Like, you know when you see, like, videos of, like, deers having babies? Like, it was like. It was like, so. So that was not too bad. Yeah. Just to assure you it's been said on here before.

[C]

Well, it's.

[A]

But that's a panic moment. And you don't know because that was your first. Was my first. So I didn't. I knew this is not right, but I didn't know how bad it was till later.

[C]

No, same. I, like, so we went in for a check in with our doctor, you know, whenever you go in for the first check in and. Or maybe it was like a yearly. I don't know, whatever we were talking to, we were with our doctor at some point, and he was like, I will never get that out of my brain. Like, the trauma of that birth. And I was like, what? And Jess was like, same man. And I literally was like, oh, that was.

[B]

That was a crazy.

[A]

Yeah. When the nurses are like. I was so scared. Like, then I didn't realize my mom did, because my mom was in the room and my mom had been in my sister's births. And they, like, went really easy. Not easy, but, like, they went right. They went the way they're supposed to go. And so my mom knew, like, this is not good. And so she almost passed out. Like, she had to go, like, to the back of the room. And they were, you know, them. They were worried about her, and she didn't want them to, like, worry about her. So. Are you gonna pass out? She said. She said, no, I'm just praying. But she was actually.

[C]

But she was, like, trying to, like.

[A]

She'S like, yeah, I'm just Praying. I'm just praying.

[C]

I'm praying. Meditating.

[A]

She actually was probably praying, too, but she was gonna pass out. But anyways, it was like the next day when the nurses started telling me, like, how scary that was. And they, like, still talk about it. I was up there the other day, and I, like, saw all our nurses and. And they're just like, oh, that first one. I'm so glad you're doing it. Like, and it's so crazy because then you're like, whoa, that's wild. Like, I didn't even realize. But it's amazing because then. And I've had people say to me, like, oh, I'm just scared. Like, what happened to you guys would be. I'm like, no, I would never want anyone to be scared of going into labor. I never want my story to scare you, because I'm not scared. Like, I'm having our third. You know, like, you went on to have another. It doesn't make you not want to do it again, because God was there and with you. And obviously, like, part of the beauty is you didn't know it was going to happen. It just happened. And then they took care of it. And, you know, you. You carry on. And so it's amazing that you look back at those things and you do not have the same memories as what actually happened. You just remember that's how your baby got here.

[C]

Well, I remember, too, like, all the. There were, like, so many people in the room because they're, like, preparing for the birth and just if there was any emergency with, like, river or whatever, and everyone was cheering every time I pushed. Do you remember that?

[B]

Heck, yeah, I remember it.

[C]

And it was so incredible. Like, I literally was like, that was.

[B]

The greatest moment ever. And also. But scariest.

[C]

Yes. Like, everyone just coming alongside you and just, like, supporting you're like, that, like, makes me, like, tear up. It was so amazing.

[A]

It is so amazing.

[B]

And then you're like, the connection that you form with each other, with your partner after going through birth is wild. I remember just months, year, however, long after, and it's like, you're like the big teddy bear, and you're like, and if we could only have that continue forever in marriage. But, yes, there's the ups and the downs, but sometimes it's cool to even. I was thinking about that as we were talking about it, going back to how almost territorial and protective you get. And it's a fresh reminder, and that was cool for me to hear again.

[C]

Maybe if there's a pro or maybe if there's like, a thing you can't get past or just you're, like, you know, having little silly, minor arguments. Maybe you should just sit together if you had a really meaningful birth and just reflect on your birth.

[A]

I mean, seriously, Christian and I did that one time because. So after Honey was born, it was like this amazing moment because the song Million Little Miracles was playing in the background, and it was just so cool because she started breathing on her own, and she, like, was. Her shoulder was supposed to be broken because she had shoulder dystocia. So when the doctor went to get her out, like, he realized what was happening, which is called shoulder dystocia. And they couldn't get her out. And eventually the doctor has to break the collarbone so the baby can come out. So I, of course, didn't know that was happening. That's. But that was what was happening. And it was just so crazy because the song is playing, and they're telling me, like, she's breathing on her own, and, like, they're like. And her shoulder's not broken, and they're just like. Like they're so amazed. Like, they can't believe what's happening. The song's playing, and it's, like, so crazy. And of course, I didn't really understand that in fullness until later, but I do remember the song playing, and I do remember that giving me so much peace because I knew God was doing a miracle. And what's crazy is that, you know, it's so interesting because when you think about miracles, and you know this so well, because you have survived something so wild, it's like you always, you know, when you're young, you're like, oh, I want a miracle. I want to see a miracle. I want to see a miracle. Then when you're older, you realize in order to see a miracle, you have to go through a moment of desperation. And actually, to see a miracle, you have to go through something, like, really hard because it's when you can't do something, like, you need the God of the impossible to enter, intervene in your life. So miracles can kind of be, like, heavy. And so that was our first encounter with that. And even though it was so special, something about it just scared me for a long time. And so I could not listen to that song, which is crazy, because you would think that would be, like, so sweet, but I just could not listen to it because it would make me kind of go back to that place. Because, you know, you hear the. You know, the beeping of the thing. Like, it was like, all the little details that I could just tell something was going wrong. So it kind of made me anxious, so we didn't listen to it. Then a couple months into postpartum, that was like our hardest season in not even really just our marriage, but just for me in my life, because I had just gone through, like, postpartum anxiety and all this stuff that I did not expect to go through, you know? And one day Christian's like, let's listen to the song. And we just sat on the bed with our little newborn and listened to the song and we just cried and, like, hugged each other. And it was one of the most powerful moments of our. Of our marriage, you know, because we went through something together that bonded us so deeply. And it's so cool now because Honey's four, and that's one of her favorite songs. And so, like, she sings it to us and she'll sing it at night, and she asked me to sing it, like, every night. And of course, it's like, my greatest joy. And it's just so cool, like, what you go through as a couple. And, yeah, it's those moments, like, it doesn't matter what you go through in a day when your 4 year old starts singing Million little miracles. The song you both cried to. Like, you're good, you know, good perspective. Good perspective for sure. I do want to ask y', all, because you mentioned, like, this is a crazy season. You have two little bitties. Y' all both are like powerhouses doing a million different things, starting all these different things, and very driven people. And I love how you're like, hey, it's hard. Like, marriage is hard. Bringing counselors in. Give us a little bit more insight to that, because I'm sure so many people listening are like, like, I need that therapist.

[B]

You say you'll never join the Navy, never climb Mount Fuji on a port visit, or break the sound barrier. Joining the Navy sounds crazy. Saying never actually is. Learn [e-mail] America's Navy forged by the sea. Yeah, I think there's a stigma that if you fight or you argue in your relationship, it's. You know, it could be awkward or it's not supposed to be that way. And obviously, every relationship is different for us. We just have found ourselves arguing more than ever, little things. And then we. We do the. We do this thing where we'll be arguing about something, and it has nothing to do with what's happening in that moment. It has to do with an issue that was unresolved over a year ago.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

You Know how she didn't feel like I was there for her during the second pregnancy to help move things in the closet, or I, you know, and in my head, I was, like, trying to work really hard so that we could support, you know, our daughter who is getting ready to come into the world in the middle of a TV business that's constantly changing. And, you know, I have my side, she has her side. But how do we come together? How do I not try to win an argument and just actually have a conversation and validate. And validate. What does validation mean? How do you validate your spouse? If I hear the word validate one more time, I'm going to lose my mind.

[A]

Right?

[B]

But I have to go, no, this is important for her. So how do I do that? So I said, let's put the mics. Mics and cameras on. We have never done any sort of, you know, we've toyed with the idea of doing a podcast. Most people probably know that the success of your podcast is unbelievably rare. Podcasts are a dime a dozen these days. So I think I'm like, well, what if no one likes it? And I'm like, stop doing it for other people. Do it for yourself. It actually might be helpful. So we did, and I was reading some of the comments. You know how comments can be Wild, wild west. In the comment section, I would say 99% of the comments were like, wow, this is really helpful, and we're thankful that you decided to do this. So we definitely will do more. But in a nutshell, the wisdom we got from our therapists and just other parents who have children is, yeah, this obviously is the hardest season of your life. It's not always going to be like this because of the ages of your children. There's multiple factors, but I. I've learned a lot, and I'm glad that other people have as well.

[C]

No, I feel like generally in my life, I think with women and just friends specifically that have kids, it's. It more feels like we are, like, we want to approach things that are harder and work on them and deal with them and figure out wisdom and talk to other women and, like, do those kinds of things. I feel like men generally, I'm saying this in such a general way, but, like, have to almost, like, learn that skill. And it's not, like, as instinctual for them even to, like, go get counseling might seem a little scarier or, like, you just don't want to deal with. With certain things and uncover certain things. And I think that Women, like, carry so much. What is it called? Like, households, like the load, like the mental load for like the home. And like, we think so differently as to what's important to us, having a family and how our home is even like situate like certain cleanliness or whatever it might be. And like, men just have different desires and I think, think realizing like both are okay, but learning how to communicate and actually try to understand how that person feels, even if it's not how you would feel.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But being like, that's so real to you. And like, how can I be better? I remember you've been telling me, oh, sorry, something that I did that like, frustrated you. And I was like, thank you for telling me this because I would never assume that would frustrate you, even though I, like, know you inside and out. But that helps me so much to understand that, you know, you feel like I was just being aloof or something. And I'm like, no, it actually just, it's like my personality, I'm just so chill. But I'll like, get stuff done. Like, it's an interesting combination, but it's like when you hear the other person's perspective and it's just like clear, open communication, you go into it without like feeling offended or whatever. But for the common goal of growing as a couple and understanding each other better and like, like, even, I don't know, it just makes your relationship so different. Yeah. And like so much deeper and.

[A]

Well, I think that's so needed. Like, I know podcasting is. There's. Everybody has podcast seems like it's hard to like, hit. But at the same time it's so needed because long form conversation, it teaches people so much. You know, I think so many people are used to like a TikTok or YouTuber, they're following all these little influencers. Or not YouTube, I should have said, like Instagram Reels and TikTok, like these short form things and they follow these influencers and they, like, are inspired by their lives. But to get to like, you can't learn that much. You know, you can learn like how to make your matcha, you know, or how to do this or like, little things, but get ready with me. You don't get a glimpse into, like, no. Like, how do you overcome an argument? And even if you, like, read a great caption, you're still not seeing two people actually walk through an argument. And I think that's the beautiful thing about like podcasting and long form conversations. And that's one of my favorite things. I get Told when people, you know, talk about this podcast is they always say, I love when your mom's on. Because I didn't like have a mom, or maybe I didn't have like a Christian mom, or I didn't have a good women godly examples. And so I learned so much from her. Or like, I learned so much from your grandma or your friendships and how you operate in them. It's like they're really back to that kind of memoir thing. They're learning from just real time conversations. A lot of people don't even know how to have intentional conversations. You know, you're so used to just like, how's the weather? What'd you do today? What'd you have for lunch? And it's like, not that there's anything wrong with that, but they don't know how to go deep. And you learn that through listening to others, through listening to intentional conversations and how people listen and how people overcome whenever someone sitting across from is different than them, but they still respect them enough to learn from them and listen. So I think what y' all are doing is. Is so important. I mean, to get to. To give the gift to people, to look into a marriage and like, see what those conversations look like and those arguments and then hear a counselor speak into it and you guys receive it. And like, that's huge. That is so inspiring and so good and so needed. So I definitely hope you keep doing it. And I think that one name, you should throw in the hat for this.

[B]

Yeah, help us. We need help with names.

[A]

I mean, you said it when you said if I hear validate again, but that's kind of what validate. Like valid.

[B]

Validate me.

[A]

It's like, that's validate.

[C]

I don't know if I hear validate again. Is that what you think?

[A]

I thought that was funny. Like, if I hear validate again or validate. Validated or something. Because it's like everything you're saying is valid. I see what you're saying, and I want to learn from it, and I care about you enough to hear what you're saying. That's a valid point. Y' all are validating each other and that's what the podcast kind of is. So I'm just just throwing that out there. Sticks. It sticks.

[B]

I received that.

[A]

I love it. Thank you.

[B]

That's actually great.

[A]

I really like that. I actually was like, this. This is it. I think this is. This could be.

[C]

Wait, I'm obsessed.

[B]

We could be. We could be onto something here. Do you have like a copyright fee, no copyright fee.

[A]

Hey, you heard it here first. All of our well that's good listeners will be listening to Validated. They'll be like, I was there when this started and so that all I care about is that I was a part of this conversation and I'm blessed by it. But no, seriously, I could talk to you all day long. An hour flies by with you guys. Thank you all so much for coming on the podcast again, being just so authentically yourselves. You're such an inspiration to so many and for all of our listeners, get ready for their new podcast, may or may not be called Validate. You should also go back and listen to the one they already did and we'll link in the show notes some of the other cool things y' all are up to. Even Lauren mentioned the cleanliness of her house and I know you have a whole brand of wipes and different things that will make sure to link, but you guys are awesome and we're super grateful for you coming back on the well that's good podcast.

[B]

Sadie, we love you so much. You're always so easy and a joy to talk to and great to see you always. Hopefully it's in person soon.

[A]

Yes, that was would be great.