
- Atheists object to the argument for God’s existence from design by asking the question, “Who designed the designer?” This objection is, in fact, a sound objection because the design argument in its common formulation by Christian theists is,
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BismillahiRrahmanir Rahim Alhamdulillahi rabbin Wasalamu ala asayyidina Muhammad wa ala alihi wasah I showed in the previous episode that modern scientific discoveries about the universe reveal that God's agency is unrestricted, that he knows everything, that he can choose anything, and that he can create anything. I showed this by giving examples of how modern science has revealed more clearly than ever before that God made the things in the universe for a purpose, and that he made the purposes in the universe dependent on a series of unimaginably intricate determinations. Now, as you watched my argument in the previous episode, you might have thought that it sounded very similar to what is famously known as as the argument for God's existence by design. Philosophers sometimes call this argument the teleological argument for God's existence. Telos is the Greek word for purpose. This argument is extremely compelling. I will, God willing, explain why it is so compelling in the next episode. In this episode, I want to examine a commonly raised objection to this argument. Atheists object to the argument by design by asking the question, who? Who designed the designer? In order to understand this objection, we have to understand the formal structure of the design argument. This argument can be formalized in several different ways. For our purposes, I will confine myself to a formalization that I think represents the way in which many Christian theists, such as the scientists at the Discovery Institute that I cited in my previous episode, make this argument today. The first premise cites modern scientific discoveries. It observes that the phenomenon of life exhibits complexity, information, and dependence on the fine tuning of physical constants. I illustrated this premise in great detail in the previous episode through the example of the human eye, the animal cell, and physical constants such as the cosmological and the gravitational constants. The second premise moves from these discoveries to infer the existence of volitional agency through a kind of inference that modern philosophers call inference to the best explanation. That's why this premise asserts that the best explanation for these phenomena is the existence of an intelligent designer. I won't dwell on what this inference is or how it works for our purposes. It's enough to simply understand that complexity, information, and dependence on the fine tuning of physical constants are evidence for intelligent design. As an aside, I want you to note that Christian theists who use the design argument use the term intelligent design, and that's what you see here in this argument. They don't use the term volitional agent that I've used previous arguments. I will, God willing, show you Shortly that this difference arises from the fact that their argument is different from the one that I am making. The third premise makes a jump to assert that this intelligent designer is God, and from this follows the final premise. Therefore, God exists. The problem with this argument is the jump from the second to the third premise. Atheists object that if we say that the design in the universe is evidence for an intelligent designer, then if that intelligent designer exists, he exhibits even greater design than the universe that he designed, and must therefore be evidence for the existence of another designer, who must in turn be evidence for the existence of another designer, and so on. We are therefore stuck in this cycle of inferences at the second premise and can never make the jump from design in the universe to the existence of God, because God, by agreement of everyone who worships him, doesn't need anything. This is what atheists mean when they counter the design argument by asking the question, who designed the designer? Now, I remarked in the previous episode that I disagree with the way that Christian theists make the design argument. This objection illustrates one reason why I disagree with them. Because this objection is in fact correct and the argument as I have just described it, the design argument, is indeed flawed. But this objection does not apply to the argument that I made in the previous episode. I argued that design is evidence for God's unrestricted agency, not his existence. I wasn't arguing for God's existence because I have already proven his existence in the second episode with the argument from Contingency, and then again in the seventh episode with the Kalam cosmological argument. Each of these arguments show that the mere existence of the universe, even without any design or purpose at all, is evidence for the existence of a necessary being. A being, in other words, who doesn't need anything. When I argued in the last episode that science reveals God's unrestricted agency, I did so having already proven that God, a necessary being, exists. That is why if an atheist objects to my argument by asking who designed the designer, his objection misses the mark completely. Because I have already shown that God, the one who designed the universe, doesn't need anything. He doesn't need to be designed. Now, if you say this to an atheist, he will most likely simply ignore everything that you say and insist on on asking, but who made God what He is? I want you to remember that I have already anticipated this objection in the third episode of this series when I explained that the reason why atheists insist on asking this question, even after seeing that the universe is evidence for the existence of a necessary being, is that Their psychological commitment to materialism prevents them from grasping the conclusion of the cosmological argument. Their materialism prevents them from understanding what a necessary being is. I explained that the cosmological argument proves that God exists and that he doesn't need anyone to make him what he is. He doesn't need a designer. Many atheists will still not let go of their materialism and despite all the evidence that I have presented, say something like, you're avoiding the question. They will say this because belief in materialism and belief in the existence of a necessary being cannot coexist. Anyone who refuses to let go of materialism will simply not grasp what a necessary being is. I anticipated this in the fourth episode in which I explained what materialism is and how the cosmological argument refutes it. And I showed that when I give this answer, I am not in fact avoiding any question at all. But what is actually happening is that the atheist, the materialist, is insisting on avoiding my answer. That is why the objection who designed the designer? Is not a valid objection to the argument that I made in the previous episode, although it is is a valid objection to the design argument, which, as I have explained, is flawed. Now, if you think back to the stunning examples of design that I gave in the previous episode, you will probably not believe what I have just said. The design argument, you'll think to yourself, still seems extremely compelling. Why is that? I will, God willing, explain that in the next episode. Wasallah Allah sayyidina Muhammad wala alihi wasah bihi wasalam Allah subhanahuat.
Podcast Information:
In Episode 12 of Why Islam is True, Shaykh Hamza Karamali tackles a pivotal challenge often posed to the teleological argument—the question, “Who designed the designer?” This episode builds upon previous discussions where Shaykh Hamza established foundational arguments for the existence of God, particularly focusing on the cosmological argument.
Key Quote:
“In this episode, I want to examine a commonly raised objection to this argument. Atheists object to the argument by design by asking the question, who? Who designed the designer?” (01:50)
Shaykh Hamza begins by outlining the teleological argument, commonly known as the argument for God’s existence by design. This argument posits that the intricate complexity, information, and fine-tuning observed in the universe are best explained by the existence of an intelligent designer.
Structure of the Argument:
Premise One: Modern scientific discoveries reveal that life exhibits complexity, information, and dependence on the fine-tuning of physical constants. Examples include the human eye, the animal cell, and cosmological constants like gravity. (02:30)
Premise Two: The best explanation for these complex phenomena is the existence of an intelligent designer, inferred through the philosophical method known as "inference to the best explanation." (03:15)
Premise Three: This intelligent designer is God. (04:00)
Conclusion: Therefore, God exists. (04:30)
Notable Points:
The central objection Shaykh Hamza addresses is the atheist challenge: if the universe requires a designer, then the designer himself must also be a designed entity. This leads to an infinite regress, questioning who or what designed the designer, thereby undermining the initial argument.
Detailed Explanation:
Infinite Regress Problem: Atheists argue that positing a designer necessitates that the designer also be designed, leading to an endless chain of designers. (06:20)
God as a Necessary Being: Shaykh Hamza counters by distinguishing between contingent beings (which require a cause or designer) and a necessary being (God) who does not require a designer. He emphasizes that his previous arguments have already established God as a necessary being who exists independently and does not require further explanation or design. (08:00)
Key Quote:
“Because God, by agreement of everyone who worships him, doesn't need anything. This is what atheists mean when they counter the design argument by asking the question, who designed the designer?” (07:10)
Shaykh Hamza meticulously dismantles the "Who designed the designer?" objection by clarifying that his argument does not rely solely on the design argument but is underpinned by robust cosmological arguments already established in earlier episodes.
Core Points:
Pre-established Existence of God: In previous episodes, Shaykh Hamza has presented the cosmological argument, which independently proves God’s existence as a necessary being. Therefore, the design argument in this episode serves to illustrate God’s unrestricted agency rather than to prove His existence. (09:30)
Misapplication of the Design Argument: The objection targets the design argument as presented by Christian theists who have not established that the designer (God) is a necessary being. Shaykh Hamza’s approach, however, is rooted in Islamic theology, where God is understood as eternal and uncaused. (10:45)
Materialism vs. Theism: Shaykh Hamza highlights that the root of the atheist objection lies in their materialistic worldview, which inherently rejects the concept of a necessary being. This psychological commitment to materialism prevents atheists from accepting the cosmological argument and recognizing God's necessity. (12:15)
Notable Quote:
“The reason why atheists insist on asking this question, even after seeing that the universe is evidence for the existence of a necessary being, is that their psychological commitment to materialism prevents them from grasping the conclusion of the cosmological argument.” (11:30)
Shaykh Hamza emphasizes that while the traditional teleological argument suffers from logical flaws, especially the infinite regress problem, his approach circumvents these issues by anchoring the argument in the cosmological foundation.
Highlights:
Avoiding Infinite Regress: By establishing God as a necessary being first, the need to posit a designer for God is eliminated, thereby avoiding the infinite regress problem. (13:50)
Evidence of God’s Unrestricted Agency: The design in the universe is not just evidence of any intelligent designer but specifically of God’s ability to create with purpose and intricate determination without Himself being subjected to design. (14:40)
Key Quote:
“That is why the objection 'who designed the designer?' is not a valid objection to the argument that I made in the previous episode, although it is a valid objection to the design argument, which, as I have explained, is flawed.” (13:10)
Shaykh Hamza concludes by reaffirming the strength of his arguments against atheistic objections and sets the stage for future discussions. He acknowledges that despite his clarifications, the design argument remains compelling to many, promising to delve deeper into its persuasiveness in the next episode.
Final Thoughts:
Shaykh Hamza effectively differentiates his theological stance from traditional theistic arguments, reinforcing the coherence and robustness of Islamic theology in philosophical discourse. (15:30)
He anticipates continued challenges from materialistic viewpoints but remains confident in the foundational arguments he has presented throughout the series. (16:00)
Closing Quote:
“But what is actually happening is that the atheist, the materialist, is insisting on avoiding my answer.” (14:55)
This episode serves as a critical examination of the teleological argument, showcasing Shaykh Hamza Karamali’s adeptness in navigating complex philosophical debates. By intertwining traditional Islamic sciences with contemporary philosophical discourse, Shaykh Hamza not only addresses common objections but also reinforces the foundational arguments for the existence and nature of God. His approach underscores the importance of establishing logical and theological premises before engaging with specific evidential arguments, thereby presenting a comprehensive and compelling case for the truth of Islam.