#34: Magic Spoon—How One Tagline Dethroned Sugar and Disrupted a $65B Industry (RE-RELEASE)

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Podcast Summary

Why That Worked – Presented by StoryBrand.ai

Episode #34: Magic Spoon—How One Tagline Dethroned Sugar and Disrupted a $65B Industry (RE-RELEASE)
Air Date: August 25, 2025
Hosts: Donald Miller and Kyle Reed

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the strategies behind Magic Spoon’s rapid rise in the competitive breakfast cereal market. Donald Miller and Kyle Reed analyze how Magic Spoon used clear messaging, a powerful tagline, and bold brand positioning to break into—and disrupt—a $65 billion industry dominated by legacy giants and defined by sugary products. The episode is filled with actionable insights for small business owners and marketers, focusing on messaging clarity and the strategic use of “villains” in branding.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Power of a Tagline: "Healthy Cereal That Tastes Too Good to Be True"

• Brand Name Confusion & Overcoming It

  • Initial reaction: The name "Magic Spoon" doesn't immediately convey ‘cereal’ or health.
  • Kyle Reed (00:27): “When somebody just says the name of the company or the product... I thought it was something else. That would normally be a mark against you.”
  • Insight: If your product name isn’t instantly descriptive, pairing it with a crystal-clear tagline is vital to avoid consumer confusion and cognitive friction.

• Tagline Breakdown

  • Magic Spoon’s tagline: “Healthy cereal that tastes too good to be true.”
  • Donald Miller (03:07): “Healthy cereal that tastes too good to be true.”
  • The phrase:
    • Instantly explains the product (healthy cereal)
    • Creates curiosity and opens a “story loop” (inviting disbelief, which drives trial)
    • Addresses consumer objections (“healthy” implies bad taste; tagline counters this)
  • Kyle Reed (04:56): “The tagline itself defines it and opens the story loop. Dad gum. That’s good.”

• Clarity Beats Cleverness

  • Many taglines try to be clever and force the customer to puzzle out the meaning—a losing strategy for new brands.
  • Donald Miller (03:11): “Really good messaging is going to think for you rather than ask you to think. And really bad advertisers... make your messaging a puzzle.”

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Creating a Villain & Positioning: Sugar as the Enemy

• Brand Storytelling: The Villain

  • Magic Spoon positions sugar (and cartoons enticing kids to eat sugary cereals) as the clear enemy.
  • Kyle Reed (07:44): “We talk about that, too. There’s a villain in there, and the villain is... cartoons and sugar.”

• Championing the Parent as Hero

  • The brand narrative simultaneously empowers parents to feel good by making healthier choices for their kids.
  • Donald Miller (07:46): “They made the parent the hero as well... I now feel a little better about myself because I know what they’re eating is also healthy.”

• Industry Context

  • The cereal market: $65.25 billion, dominated by three giants.
  • Breaking through required Magic Spoon to not just make a better product, but to attack a widely recognized industry "villain."
  • Kyle Reed (08:33): “They know how to box you out... but that’s an opportunity if there’s a double bind. You can be the one contrast.”

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Design, DTC Disruption, and Smart Marketing Channels

• Unique Branding & Visual Identity
  • Magic Spoon’s design stands out—“a little bit of the color scheme of a lot of the art in Miami... high end graffiti.”
    • Kyle Reed (11:48)
• Direct-to-Consumer (DTC) Focus
  • While cereal is traditionally bought in grocery stores, Magic Spoon embraced online channels and subscriptions, making it easier for modern consumers (and bypassing shelf placement battles).
  • Donald Miller (11:58): “Most people... don’t get their cereal online. I think they did a really good job diving into that.”
• Strategic Sampling & Subscriptions
  • Offering starter packs and subscriptions: lowers friction, encourages trial, and increases retention.
    • Donald Miller (12:55): “There’s a starter pack. I can go try that.”
    • Kyle Reed (13:01): “A lot of companies are missing out on that. If you have a consumable, you’ve got to do subscription.”

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Thoughtful Advice for Small Businesses

• Publicity vs Social Ads
  • Suggests considering PR/publicist spend over pure paid ads for getting the brand’s angle into podcasts and earned media.
    • Kyle Reed (13:33): “Consider lowering your advertising budget and hiring a publicist... get you on podcasts and talk about your products.”
• Finding the Right Angle
  • Example: Oswald’s Mill Audio. The founder’s belief that audio tech quality declined is a perfect podcast pitch—create an angle, then promote it vigorously.
    • Kyle Reed (14:22): “They need to help you with the angle.”
• DIY Tools
  • For those who can’t afford a publicist, use tools like StoryBrand.ai to generate taglines, messaging, and website content easily.
    • Donald Miller (16:38): “We have all these tools to help you create a tag.”

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Clear Takeaways & Action Steps

Summed up by the hosts:

1. Say what it is.
   • Kyle Reed (17:56): “Say what it is and position yourself against something that’s driving people crazy.”
2. Pick the customer’s villain, not your own.
   • Donald Miller (18:21): “Picking your own personal villain. [Instead,] picking the customers villain.”

• Don’t make your villain about your own struggles as a business; make it the thing your customers actually fight against.
  • Story example: Tidal (streaming music service) wrongly positioned “the villain” as “artists not making enough” instead of “customers not hearing full-quality music.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Kyle Reed on clarity (02:54):
  • “You say that really quickly because the brain will try to figure out what it is automatically... within maybe one and a half seconds.”
• Donald Miller on branding (11:48):
  • “Their branding is very unique and that really positioned them in a different way.”
• Kyle Reed on taglines (04:56):
  • “The tagline itself defines it and opens the story loop. Dad gum. That’s good.”
• Donald Miller on the power of contrast (05:20):
  • “Healthy means bad taste... and then they finish the tagline that tastes too good to be true. They quickly stop the thinking. They stop you from where they know your brain's gonna go.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Brand Name Confusion & Tagline: 00:27 – 03:15
• Tagline Analysis & Story Loop: 03:03 – 05:15
• Contrasting Healthy vs. Tasty: 05:20 – 07:10
• Introducing Villain & Positioning: 07:31 – 09:41
• Industry Disruption Discussion: 09:41 – 10:40
• Branding & DTC Model: 11:35 – 12:23
• Trial and Subscription Model: 12:23 – 13:08
• Podcast PR vs Paid Ads: 13:33 – 14:22
• Example of Angle Creation (Oswald’s Mill Audio): 14:22 – 16:16
• StoryBrand.ai Tools for DIY Messaging: 16:37 – 17:10
• Final Takeaways & Villain Positioning: 17:37 – 18:43
• Music Streaming Example (Tidal): 18:43 – 20:10
• Lighthearted Cereal Preferences & Wrap Up: 20:10 – 21:29

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Conclusion

Magic Spoon disrupted an industry not just through product innovation, but by wielding the power of a clear, curiosity-inducing tagline, strategic storytelling (complete with a villain), and a fresh take on branding and business model. For any small business or marketer, the big lessons are:

• Make your messaging instantly understandable and curiosity-provoking.
• Identify (and name) the common enemy of your ideal customer, not just your competitors or personal struggles.
• Break with category conventions in your branding, channels, or offers to create true differentiation.

Memorable closing words:
Kyle Reed (21:29): “Good on you, Magic Spoon... Way to get your tagline right. Ready to get your messaging right. Way to get your business strategy right. I'll forgive you for Magic Spoon because obviously it's working.”

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Transcript

[Donald Miller]

Foreign.

[Podcast Announcer]

You're listening to the why that Work podcast presented by StoryBrand AI. If you've ever wondered why certain brands, trends or cultural phenomena find success while others don't, you're in the right place. Every week we unpack why something worked, then give you actionable insights that you can use in your own life. Now let's dive in with your hosts, Donald Miller and Kyle Reed.

[Donald Miller]

Today we talk about Magic Spoon. Don.

[Kyle Reed]

I've never heard of it before today. In fact, when you said Magic Spoon, knowing that we always talk about products, you said we're gonna talk about Magic Spoon. I assumed it was sort of an infomercial, like non sticking spoon, like a nonstick pan. That's where mine went. Which is interesting that that's the name of the company. And when somebody just says the name of the company or the product, I thought it was something else. That would normally be a mark against you.

[Donald Miller]

Yes.

[Kyle Reed]

Like if I need to know when you name the product, kind of what it is and what it delivers. So that's the first thing our listeners can learn. You know, if you get the product name right, it really helps you. You don't have to, but it means that you have to now educate me about what you're talking about rather than the product telling me what you're talking about.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. So if you're starting out, if you're Magic Spoon, they started in 2019 and you come up with that name as from a tactical standpoint about communicating about what the product is itself.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah.

[Donald Miller]

Would you lean into that name first to kind of try to make that synonymous?

[Kyle Reed]

Look, how can you argue with their success? We're going to get into their success in numbers in a minute. And that's what people tell me all the time. Well, nobody knows Coke doesn't say that it's a soda. It's just Coke. Well, they're like several trillion dollars into.

[Donald Miller]

This, I think it says since 1908 on their canister.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah, exactly. So they no longer have to educate people. But if you're releasing a toaster and it's called quick toast or something, then I kind of know that thing's going to make toast quick. And that really is an advantage if you're launching a product. And so there are a lot of times when somebody's launching a product and the name of it is what happens is the brain has to burn calories. The brain burns calories processing information. And if you say to me, magic Spoon, and I assume it's some sort of new kitchen device, you know what I Mean like a device that you ladle soup out of that has some sort of gimmicky thing to it. If my mind goes there, you have to burn two sets of calories. In terms of chunked thinking, I've got to unthink what I thought it was and then rethink what it actually is. So that's the principle there. So one way around that. If you say, well, Don, it's too late for us. We already launched this product. And the truth is, people are confused about what it is. When we say the name. What you need to do is you need to follow it by a really quick tagline so that they don't have time to think it's anything different. So you would say magic Spoon Healthy cereal.

[Donald Miller]

Yes.

[Kyle Reed]

You would say that really quickly because the brain will try to figure out what it is automatically. And I'm not kidding, within maybe one and a half seconds.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. So looking at their tagline, I actually think they have a good one.

[Kyle Reed]

What is it?

[Donald Miller]

I'll read it to you. Magic Spoon.

[Kyle Reed]

Well, they did something right.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. Healthy cereal that tastes good. Too good to be true.

[Kyle Reed]

Okay. There's a lot I love about this. Tell me about it. Magic Spoon is. It's okay. They've clearly overcome it. It's not great. I would have called it something else that maybe connotates healthy cereal, but couple things. One is they say exactly what it is. So healthy cereal. Let's just start there. The first two words are healthy cereal. If you're listening to this podcast, your tagline is probably not saying what it is. Right. Ours is clarify your message so customers engage. I'm telling you what I'm gonna help you do. I'm gonna help you clarify your message. There's nothing, you know, I could have said because words matter. You see what I'm saying? And that's what. There's so many people listening to this podcast. That's their tagline. It's something to the equivalent of because words matter. And people are like, okay, is it a therapist? Are you a therapist? Are you helping people communicate? No, Clarify your message is what we do. So healthy cereal doesn't make anybody think. Really good messaging is going to think for you rather than ask you to think. And really bad advertisers who get a lot of money, bad marketers, they're like, hey, let's make people think. Let's make your advertising a puzzle. Let's take your messaging a puzzle so people can sit down and pour a glass of scotch and try to figure out what the Hell, you're trying to say, right? That is bad messaging. So healthy cereal is a great first. Two words, two overcome. Magic spoon being a little bit elusive and hard to figure out. Now the next thing they do is they actually open a story loop that tastes too good to be true. Means in order to believe you. First of all, it makes me want to taste it. If I said, hey, taste this. If I have like a box of Tic Tacs or something, this is. Taste this. This tastes too good to be true. What do you want to do?

[Donald Miller]

I want to taste it.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah. What you're doing is you're closing the story loop. The tagline itself defines it and opens the story loop. Dad gum. That's good.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah, Very good. Yeah. Because they could have easily gone, magic spoon cereal. That's good.

[Kyle Reed]

That's right.

[Donald Miller]

That would have just. You would have skipped past that. Be easy to just go to describe, you know, good tasting cereal. But that it, yeah, it's that.

[Kyle Reed]

So if we unpack it, how healthy.

[Donald Miller]

Is doing a lot of work there. But then the story loop you open.

[Kyle Reed]

Think about the other thing, the magic of this tagline. Magic of this tagline. The other thing about this tagline is it's, it's got contrast. Healthy means bad taste. It means it doesn't taste good. Right. You ever had all fiber? What is that? Fiber one?

[Donald Miller]

No, because I'm still in my 30s.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah, that was mean. You just wait. It's going to happen to you and I'm going to be there for it. Yeah. So it tastes like, first of all, fiber one is extremely effective. Let me just say this so that I'm not throwing them under the bus. It is also very healthy, and it tastes like it. And what I do is I put 7 cups of sugar on top of it and oat milk and some mayo. But it doesn't taste, you know, it's not designed to taste good. That's not what it's for. So when you think healthy cereal, that's what you think of. And my kid ain't gonna eat it. And so then healthy cereal, and then they finish the tagline that tastes too good to be true. They quickly stop the thinking. They stop you from where they know your brain's gonna go. And if you're trying to learn from this podcast, first of all, you need a tagline. I like to call a tagline a controlling idea. And that is the only, the main idea, if you will, that I want you to think about when you're thinking about my brand. Right. Clarify your message. So Customers engage. That's it. Clarify your message. So customers engage is what I want you to think about when you think about story brand. If your tagline is elusive, if it makes people that makes their thoughts go chase a squirrel way out into the woods. They're never coming out of those woods. Very, very few people are coming back from those woods to buy your product. It's got to do the thinking for you. And this one is. I credit this with their success. And the cereal, I'm sure is good. I literally bought four boxes reading this thing because it's got tons of protein.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. 13 grams of protein in.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah. I'm trying to get my protein up. So healthy cereal says what it is that tastes too good to be true, stops the objection in its track. It educates you about what it is, and it opens a story loop. That is a very powerful, controlling idea.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah, I agree. And I think the other thing they do. I've heard you talk about this a lot. Love to get into a little more. Is they also created a villain inside of their marketing, and the villain is sugar. So they lean into.

[Kyle Reed]

Well, and that's the whole. I mean, that villain is real.

[Donald Miller]

You know, I think what. They did a good job, too. If you go down the path a little bit more, the parent. Because most parents are probably buying cereal for their kids, they made the parent the hero as well. Because I think as a dad, I'm always thinking about, what are my kids eating? It's super easy to go for. The easiest thing, just whatever, eat something. Because I need to feed you in the morning while you're watching your show before school. But I also now feel a little better about myself because I know what they're eating is also healthy, and so they make me.

[Kyle Reed]

So they're relieving and emotional. We talk about that, too. There's a villain in there, and the villain is. They call it the double bind in the industry, and it's cartoons and sugar.

[Donald Miller]

Okay.

[Kyle Reed]

So it's the double thing that entices your kid. And so the villain that Magic Spoon is up against is significant.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah.

[Kyle Reed]

And we're talking about. I think the numbers were like, gosh, for sugar cereals out there in the world, it's a $65.25 billion space dominated by three companies. So what that means when you have a $65 billion annual space that is dominated by three companies, they know how to box you out. They know how to get you off those shelves. So they're. I'm not going into it, but they're doing Things with target buyers and, you know, Publix and Kroger and all that sort of stuff. Fred Meyer, if you're up in the Northwest, you know, they own that shelf space and they're not giving any of it up. And so, you know, you're up against a heck of a challenge if you want to get onto that shelf. Now the good thing about that, that's an opportunity also, because if there is a double bind, we all know that cereal is bad for you. 9 out of 10 boxes of cereal as you're walking through the shelf at Publix, that's where I go. If you walk down the aisle at Publix, nine out of ten of those are really, they're desserts. You know, I guarantee the cereal we grew up on, it was sugar cereal, but it wasn't like it is cereal.

[Donald Miller]

No, no, I agree.

[Kyle Reed]

It's straight up addicted to it.

[Donald Miller]

It's interesting too. Cause at some point, what I like about them, so they started in, they actually kind of responded to a major health movement, especially amongst millennials who were starting to have kids, where again, the things they ate as kids, they knew they couldn't feed their kids because there's some reason those were not good for you anymore. And I think Magic Spoon did a great job of jumping into market.

[Kyle Reed]

Well, and that's where I was going before I got sidetracked with my own thoughts here, with my own indulgences, was when you see an opportunity where what you're up against is easy to villainize, is easy to paint and cast as a vil, and there's a big time market opportunity there because you can be the one contrast. And right now, if somebody said, I'll say this from here on out, I wouldn't have said it a minute ago. But what's the alternative to sugar cereals? Everybody's going to go Magic Spoon a year from now. So that's an opportunity for you as well. In your messaging, if you don't communicate.

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[Donald Miller]

I think another interesting thing they did too. You mentioned this earlier when we were looking at the brand, they did an awesome job. Even though their name was Magic Spoon, their branding is very unique and that really positioned them in a different way.

[Kyle Reed]

Wow, that's kind of cool. It looks like it's a little bit of the color scheme of a lot of the art in Miami. Yes, that's what it feels like.

[Donald Miller]

You're right. That's right.

[Kyle Reed]

A little bit like not graffiti, but like high end graffiti.

[Donald Miller]

It's also interesting too, because most people, it's changing, but a lot of people don't get their cereal online. You know, it's not an e commerce thing. It's more of a grocery store thing. I think they did a really good job diving into that and kind of using their brand, using their website, making it very easy. You, you bought yours on Amazon, which is a win. I don't think. If I was looking to get a box of Golden Grahams, I wouldn't go to Amazon to do that.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah.

[Donald Miller]

But their, their messaging and kind of their marketing is really cool how it kind of follows the story brand framework. As far as parents, you know, looking to provide something healthy, they step in, they give you a plan. Here's some things you do. The other thing is I love what they're messaging is they have some different call to actions as well. So they have like on their website, they have a starter pack. So again, brilliant. Even if the tagline didn't, it did open a story loop. I'm interested, but I still have some objections. I don't know, do I really want to do this? Well, there's a starter pack. I can go try that.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah, I bought four boxes today.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. Just to try them. There's a subscription model so you can subscribe.

[Kyle Reed]

A lot of companies are missing out on that. If you have a consumable, you've got to do subscription automatically coming back.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. The other thing they did interesting was the way they marketed it was to adults on podcast. So they have a lot of ads. I have heard magic. The only reason I've heard of magic.

[Kyle Reed]

That'S new messaging and marketing against old messaging because you never hear advertising against the new way of getting the word out.

[Donald Miller]

All right, so for people listening this, Don, I think there's been some Cool things we've pulled out about Magic Spoon. Let's talk to the small business owner.

[Kyle Reed]

One thing real quick. Consider lowering your advertising budget and hiring a publicist.

[Donald Miller]

Okay, tell me more about that.

[Kyle Reed]

Well, let's say a publicist is going to cost you 25,000 to get in and 5,000amonth to carry for a year. So you're 7, 60, 70, $85,000 spend on a publicist whose job is to come up with sort of a topic related angle on your product and get you on podcasts. So that $85,000, you know you're probably spending that every month on meta ads, right? So just cut your meta ad budget and hire a publicist and then have somebody who knows what they're doing get on these podcasts and talk about your products. Just a tip for small businesses. You don't want to do this.

[Donald Miller]

I think a key thing you said there too. I think a lot of times when people hear publicists, they hear, oh, just, they'll get me somewhere. You said something before that though. They need to help you with the angle.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah. There's a guy, Jonathan Weiss, he has a brand called Oswald's Mill Audio. And I am crazy about his audio equipment. Yeah. For him, one of the things that because we talked about his messaging and one of the things that he could go on a podcast and talk about is two things. One is he believes audio technology is almost the only technology in the world that has gotten worse in the last 80 years. So 80 years ago, things sounded better. Audio equipment sounded better 80 years ago. He also talks about in small headphones, when you wear headphones, the headphones themselves are, they're so small that a sound wave is actually physical. It's big. He's like, the reason my speakers are so enormous is not because I'm being showy here. The actual sound wave is big. And so when you put a giant sound wave through a small headphone, your brain has to cognitively make up the difference and imagine the sound the way it's supposed to sound, which exhausts you. So if he went out with a. The reason music sounds terrible today and the reason you get a headache after listening to music, and the reason as a podcast guest, or he could even come at it from the angle of ear health. Right? And you haven't heard anything. You know, your grandparents were listening to better music than you and here's why. And all that stuff, that's all like podcast fodder. And then he could send people on that podcast to his mini book called the Anatomy of sound, which I also recommended that he write people, you know, charge five bucks for the book. It includes shipping. He's breaking even on the book. And people are literally reading about why they can't buy any other hi Fi equipment but his.

[Donald Miller]

Yep, that's cool.

[Kyle Reed]

And that's a. That's a message. That's a messaging campaign more than a marketing campaign. But that's the sort of thing small businesses need to think about. They need to think about the angle that you're going to come at this and then hire a publicist to promote that angle and you as a guest representing that angle.

[Donald Miller]

And the controlling idea there for him is your music doesn't sound as good as it could. And as soon as I hear that.

[Kyle Reed]

Why modern music is giving you a headache.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah, yeah. There's so much there. So one thing I was thinking about as you're talking about, and I would be remiss not to bring this up is okay, someone cannot hire a publicist. One thing they can do is they.

[Kyle Reed]

Can be their own.

[Donald Miller]

Go to their. But also go to storybrand AI and we have all these tools to help you create a tag.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah. You can create your own.

[Donald Miller]

You can create a sales script, you can create a website. There's so many things we're going to.

[Kyle Reed]

Release pitch decks and proposals.

[Donald Miller]

So I wanted mention that just as not as a shameless plug, maybe a little bit.

[Kyle Reed]

I'm not shame that plug. It's the best product on the market.

[Donald Miller]

But also that you should go if you need to work on your. These lines of messaging kind of have your own.

[Kyle Reed]

So we'll give you that controlling idea in the brand script tool. We'll give you your controlling idea and we'll also give you a tagline and.

[Donald Miller]

We'Ll give you four. We'll give you four options. Four to choose from. So I would highly recommend that to anybody who just check your own against what we have and see how we've improved it. I think another thing for small businesses that I really like that we can learn from Magic Spoon was that just the way they continually disrupt an industry, they did it through marketing, messaging, so their tagline, but also through their brand.

[Kyle Reed]

And really good business strategy too. And the fact that they were all digital or you could only get it online. They went around the big three and then they got so popular that grocery stores couldn't ignore them. They were being cut out.

[Donald Miller]

That's right. So what's a couple things just to kind of summarize from Magic Spoon that the listeners. The small business.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah. You know, if there was one thing. Well, this is just not one thing. I'll give you two. Say what it is and position yourself against something that's driving people crazy. Those two things are, I would say, the takeaways from the conversation for me.

[Donald Miller]

And I think one of the things you've taught me recently, you've talked about, I thought is good, is again, picking your villain, but don't. Picking your own personal villain. Picking the customers villain.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, magic's driving the customer crazy.

[Donald Miller]

Magic Spoon could have easily went and said, you know, it's not fair. All these big cereal companies own all the market. We're just trying to make something good for you. And, you know, and it's not fair that they have it all. And isn't that wrong? We should get more shelf space. They didn't do that. They made the thing that is the villain for.

[Kyle Reed]

I talk about that in building a story brand. Tidal. The company Tidal T I D A.

[Donald Miller]

L. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Kyle Reed]

Of which I subscribe to. Yes, Tidal is. Jay Z started the company with a bunch of other artists. And you pay like. I think I pay like 11 bucks a month or something like that. But the files on Tidal are larger than Apple, itunes, or Spotify or any of that. And you literally can hear the difference when you're playing it through a Bluetooth speaker, if it's hooked up to Ethernet, you can literally hear how incredibly different the sound is because it's basically CD quality. But the way they marketed, they came to market by saying, hey, we artists are getting boxed out. We're not getting the money we deserve for music. And so we changed everything. Well, that's a really fantastic pitch for artists, of which there are very few. What they should have said was, you're not hearing music the way we want you to hear it. The artist wants you to hear it in its glory, and we want you to hear all the depth of it. And so we created something for you, the listeners, so you can hear it the way we want you to hear it. That's still the way they should be marketing that. In fact, I was like, I'm not getting title. Why would I give you a bunch of money? You got 40,000 people at your concert. Give me a break. You're not a victim here. But then when I heard, oh, no, the files are actually larger, and you hear them the way that they were designed to be heard, I was like, oh, okay. And I started paying the money. So why. Why wouldn't you lead with that?

[Donald Miller]

Yeah. And contrast that with another big brand started by a rapper, and that is Beats by Dre. And they gave you premium, you know, studio quality headphones at a better price. When headphones weren't, you know, that seemed unobtainable. They made them cool. They had a good brand.

[Kyle Reed]

Yeah.

[Donald Miller]

You know, contrast the successes there. You can see where they. They solve that problem with a really creative and unique marketing campaign. Magic Spoon, I think it's worth going to check out. I'm going to order some for my kids and see. Maybe really for me. But, yeah, I'm not.

[Kyle Reed]

I'm not going to use my kid. I ordered it for me.

[Donald Miller]

Listen, if they have that alternative version of Froot Loops, I am in.

[Kyle Reed]

Really? That's your. Anything with peanut butter and chocolate, though.

[Donald Miller]

See? Yeah. And I'm so. I like the whole like. Like Chocolate Pebbles or all those. I never was interested in that.

[Kyle Reed]

Really?

[Donald Miller]

Still to this day, no.

[Kyle Reed]

Wow.

[Donald Miller]

No.

[Kyle Reed]

What about Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

[Donald Miller]

No, not interested.

[Kyle Reed]

Really?

[Donald Miller]

Golden Grams, though, which is.

[Kyle Reed]

That's pretty close.

[Donald Miller]

I love those.

[Kyle Reed]

All right, well, good on you, Magic Spoon.

[Donald Miller]

Yeah, they're doing.

[Kyle Reed]

Way to get your tagline right. Ready to get your messaging right. Way to get your business strategy right. I'll forgive you for Magic Spoon because obviously it's working. So, you know, it's working great for you. And, you know, it's a spoon. Spoon. You eat cereal with a spoon, so it's loosely connected to breakfast.

[Donald Miller]

True.

[Kyle Reed]

Good on you.

[Donald Miller]

Well, hey, if you want to craft a message that resonates and drives action, visit storybrand AI to create a very clear and compelling brand script that connects with your audience. You can try that for free. Create a brand script and a tagline at StoryBrand AI and be sure to check out a new tool we just released where you can have your Website reviewed by StoryBrand AI.

[Kyle Reed]

Pretty cool.

[Donald Miller]

And you use it and give you back the score. I have. I actually put Magic Spoon's website through.

[Kyle Reed]

Did you really? How'd they do?

[Donald Miller]

They did pretty good.

[Kyle Reed]

So it reviews your website. Like, if you have a website, you can go to storybrand AI, you enter the domain name. Is this free or do you have to pay for this? It's free.

[Donald Miller]

Everything's free.

[Kyle Reed]

So you put your website, your domain name in, and using the storybrand framework, it's gonna tell you where you're blowing it.

[Donald Miller]

Yes, correct.

[Kyle Reed]

Magic Spoon, does it give you any encouragement?

[Donald Miller]

Yes, absolutely. It gives you some strengths and weaknesses, but then it also gives you next steps that you can take change to implement and get a better.

[Kyle Reed]

I actually knew all this, but I'm pretending not to know. All right, everybody, thanks for listening.

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