A Cathartic Year End Rant (w/ Mike Mitchell)

Summary

Why Won't You Date Me? with Nicole Byer

Episode: "A Cathartic Year End Rant" (w/ Mike Mitchell)
Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Nicole Byer
Guest: Mike Mitchell

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Overview

In this year-end, holiday-themed episode, Nicole Byer welcomes comedian, actor, and Doughboys co-host Mike Mitchell for a wide-ranging, cathartic conversation. Dressed playfully as Santa and an elf, Nicole and Mitch dive deep into the messy realities of dating, body image, health journeys with weight-loss medications, Hollywood frustrations, and the quirks of work and family during the holidays. The episode is a candid, hilarious, and often personal rant that explores everything from the indignities of snoring and hotel bathroom etiquette to sharp critiques of the entertainment industry and the transformation of their own bodies and minds.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Vibes, Costumes, and Santa Discourse

• The episode opens with Nicole and Mitch wearing elf and Santa costumes (visuals mentioned for the YouTube version).
• Playful riff on the "hot Santa" trend in commercials, which both find sacrilegious; Santa, say both, should be plump and jolly, not buff.
  • Quote (Nicole, 5:51): "Give me the Tim Allen Santa...he gets fat. He, it happens. And I love it so much."
  • Quote (Mitch, 6:15): "Santa's fat. He's jolly and plump. Yes, merry old elf."
• Nicole shares how being "too jolly" (a euphemism for fat) led to her being fired as a hostess at a NYC restaurant.

2. Body Image, Weight Loss, and Medication Journeys

• Both candidly discuss their experiences on GLP-1 weight-loss drugs (Nicole: Manjaro; Mitch: Zepbound).
  • Both have lost significant weight but still struggle with food behaviors, muscle loss, and anxiety over possible regain.
  • Nicole confesses to eating Whoppers and fries nightly, purely because the medication allows calorie deficits, not because it’s healthy.
  • Quote (Nicole, 21:59): "So forever I have to, like, track calories, because I actually don't understand what I'm eating, and I'll just mindlessly eat, and I have to work out. And I'm like, I don't want it."
• Sad and darkly comic experiences: Nicole and Mitch both recount being fired for their weight, or experiencing health issues like sleep apnea due to their size.
  • Nicole describes how snoring and sleep apnea affected her dating life, and how its improvement after weight loss was "annoying because I didn't mind being bigger."
• Mitch describes his long COVID struggle, compounded by weight and resulting depression/anxiety, which prompted him to focus on personal health.
  • Quote (Mitch, 15:04): "For four months, I thought I was going to kill myself...It was really, really, really bad. And then it's so much anxiety, vertigo, like, where you couldn't walk."
• Strongly defend use of weight-loss drugs against public shaming from fitness personalities and media talking heads.
  • Quote (Mitch, 25:21): "Bill Maher can fucking suck my Santa's dick. He's a fucking asshole."
  • Quote (Nicole, 24:33): "I would tell a diabetic not to take insulin?"
• Discussion of loose skin, post-weight loss, and the option of surgical removal—with the resounding conclusion that people should do what makes them happy.

3. Sex, Dating, and Medication Side Effects

• Lexapro kills Mitch’s sex drive; Wellbutrin helps restore it somewhat, but his libido, and confidence, remain in flux.
  • Quote (Mitch, 17:12): "All that sexual desire went away. Goodbye. So...I also just had no libido. There was no sex drive. And so that was, like, almost helpful in a way."
• Nicole jokes about body changes: "I lost weight. My pussy's huge. People are like, whoa, look at that moose knuckle." (45:09)
• The transparency about bodily functions (notably, shitting while dating) is both played for laughs and positioned as vital to healthy relationships.
  • Quote (Nicole, 40:13): "Sir, I be shitting. And I have these little matches that are incense... when I be shitting, you're gonna smell jasmine and maybe a little shit. But, like, I be shitting."
• Nicole and Mitch swap stories of embarrassing dates (see Timestamps).

4. Frustration With Hollywood and the Streaming Era

• Both vent at length about the deterioration of the entertainment business, with particular ire at streaming platforms for depressing actor pay, eliminating residuals, fostering shorter seasons, and disrupting what made television special.
  • Quote (Nicole, 51:16): "Quotes don't matter anymore...now they go, ah, we're gonna pay you $7, because we don't know."
  • Quote (Mitch, 52:11): "I made under $80,000 for all three seasons of a show... It’s so crazy."
• Nicole makes an impassioned plea for California tax breaks to film in LA and laments the death of the career character actor.
  • Quote (Nicole, 49:32): "Bring back character actors. Fat Santas need to be around."
• Both side-eye “millionaires doing commercials” and question why big stars take ad money that could go to working actors.
  • Quote (Mitch, 10:11): "I think they should be slightly shamed..."

5. Cultural Gripes & Personal Rants

• Rant against "slop culture": bad streaming content, endless seasons, lack of originality, e.g., Stranger Things.
  • Quote (Mitch, 55:22): "If you love Stranger Things, I think you're dumb. If you're a huge fan of Stranger Things, you're stupid. I'm sorry. You need to be shamed."
• Romanticize movies in theaters as the ultimate date, and criticize Hollywood for the decline of the shared cinematic experience.
• Nicole argues for being weird and zany again in pop culture, versus formulaic, backstory-heavy new media.

6. Personal Anecdotes: Family, Health, Work, Shame, and Growing Up

• Mitch tells stories about working as a garbage man and the brutal realities of the job, including rats, dead animals, and hazardous waste (72:10).
• Comic riffing about gaining weight after loss, and the emotional cycle of wardrobe purging and possible regain.
• Both acknowledge years of body/weight trauma from the entertainment industry, family, and society, and what it means to feel comfortable, if not always confident, in their own skin.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• "I got fired from Elmo for being too jolly...Fat 911 that place." — Nicole & Mitch (7:05)
• "You know what causes cancer? Being a big fatty." — Mitch's doctor, quoted by Mitch (22:47)
• "Leave something for the rest of us." — Nicole on millionaire actors in commercials (9:53)
• "Let that lady sleep." — Nicole, referencing Passengers, calling out Chris Pratt’s character (12:51)
• "I be shitting." — Nicole (40:13)
• "I'm not even lying to you. My snore...my mom and sister thought I was dying so many times." — Mitch (29:19)
• "I still had to, like, work out. I still had to do all that. It was still hard with help." — Nicole (32:43)
• Calling out Bill Maher and Jillian Michaels for criticizing weight-loss drugs (25:21).
• Nicole: "My pussy's huge. People are like, whoa, look at that moose knuckle." (45:09)
• On dating aftermath: "She just asked me to go back to my place and have sex. And I was like, oh, I'm on a date with her right now." — Mitch (75:53)
• "I think we need to bring back character actors...fat Santas need to be around." — Nicole (49:32)
• "If you love Stranger Things, I think you're dumb." — Mitch (55:22)
• "So you're a food critic. If a date makes you a holiday meal and it's objectively bad, would you fake it for love or let them know?" — Nicole (84:12)

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Important Timestamps

• 01:09 Worst date stories intro — Mitch's awkward date and being ditched at a bar.
• 13:22–21:59 Mitch's long COVID story, weight loss, medications, libido, and self-care.
• 25:21 Rant: Public shaming of GLP-1 and weight loss drugs.
• 29:00–31:00 Nicole and Mitch on sleep apnea and snoring horror stories, dating implications.
• 32:31–34:28 Defending weight loss drugs, surgical skin removal, and doing what makes you happy.
• 51:16–54:25 Rant on actor pay, streaming gigs, residuals dying, and Hollywood frustration.
• 55:22 Stranger Things "dumb" rant; killing "slop" culture.
• 72:10 Garbage man stories, the realities of city sanitation work.
• 75:07–76:53 Bad date stories: public bathroom emergencies, being ditched, awkward encounters.
• 78:08 What Mitch is seeking in a partner — must love movies, desire for connection.
• 84:12 Food critic conundrum: Would Mitch fake liking a partner's bad cooking?
• 93:11 Camels, weight limits, and public "fat shaming" on vacation.

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode is raucously funny, unfiltered, and at times deeply heartfelt. Nicole and Mitch toggle between raunchy jokes (“I hope my stocking is stuffed with dicks,” Nicole, 89:25), sincere emotional confessions, Hollywood industry insider ranting, and a spirit of solidarity for anyone struggling with body image or health. The language is candid, irreverent, and supportive—matching the podcast’s overall tone of radical honesty about love, dating, and self-acceptance.

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Key Takeaways for New Listeners

• This episode is a cathartic, honest year-end conversation between two comedians who are both hilarious and deeply candid about the difficulties of dating, existing in bigger bodies, and surviving in a precarious entertainment industry.
• It's as much a conversation about radical self-acceptance, survival, and friendship as it is about dating or sex—underscored by constant humor, good-natured roasting, and mutual support.
• Listeners will find comfort and laughter in the hosts’ willingness to vent about personal and industry hardships, and to find the humor in everything—even hotel poop emergencies, awkward sex side effects, or a city’s garbage pile.
• The spirit of the episode: It’s okay to laugh at yourself, embrace messiness, and be open about what isn’t perfect in life, love, and work—because everyone is just trying their best, and sometimes you just need to rant.

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Transcript

[A]

Ho ho ho. You can hear us but you can't see how cute we look. You can also watch this episode on our YouTube channel. The link is in the show notes. I'm an elf and Mitch is Santa and we have a merry time. Check it out.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

When I went on a date with I took her out to Dirt. I thought she was really cute. And then we went back to Birds Bar and there was a UCB improv friend there and she told him let's go to your house and have and fuck. And using those words exactly.

[A]

And could you hear it or did he tell you?

[B]

He told me afterwards. He was like, she just asked me to go back to my place and have sex. And I was, oh, I'm on a date with her right now.

[A]

Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Please tell me why. Ho ho ho. Merry Christmas. It's me, Nicole Byer. And this is another episode of why Won't yout Date Me? A podcast where me, Nicole, was trying to figure out why I was so single, even though you could come in the air and tell me it was a snowflake. My guest today is Santa Claus, my boss.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. And we've got a lot of work to do. Nicole.

[A]

I know, I'm sorry that I wanted to take a break from working so hard at the North Pole to talk about love and relationships and come.

[B]

Well, Santa loves all of those things.

[A]

Come.

[B]

Much like the color of my beard.

[A]

Yup, Just kidding. My guest today is an actor and comedian from series like Love and Twisted Metal, which was just renewed for a season three. And you know him as the co. One of the co hosts of the Doughboys that started in 2015.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You guys have been doing it for 10 years. Five years. Like, I. Oh, my God. And we're going to the Sizzler. Wait, when will that episode come out?

[B]

That's okay. Tease. A good tease.

[A]

And we just reviewed.

[B]

We just went to the Sizzler.

[A]

The Sizzler together, which is one of my favorite places. And this is one of my favorite people. Oh, I love him so much. It's Mike Mitchell.

[B]

Thank you, everyone. What if I never gave up the Santa the entire time? I was like, I'm staying in character, Mitch.

[A]

It would be very funny if you were like, I'm not Mitch. Santa.

[B]

Stop saying all that stuff.

[A]

I'm. What's Santa? Saint Nicholas.

[B]

Saint Nick. Yes. Christopher Kringle.

[A]

Oh, Christ.

[B]

If you want to get into some background on Santa, I can tell you everything you need to know. You picked the right person, because me, John Gabris, Mookie Blakelock, I'm just listing people who play Santa so much every year, which is fat comedians, I guess you could say yes. And then me, Gabris, Zack Cherry, and Stavros Helgius did Stavi's World, his podcast, and we were all dressed as Santa.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

And so I have about four Santa.

[A]

Suits, and this is my only elf costume.

[B]

Well, I feel like if you had more than one, you're into it in some sort of way.

[A]

It's my little kink. I want to work at the toy shop, and your dick is my toy. I almost had another elf costume because I did a. I don't know if it's out yet, but I did a thing for Google. I did post about it. So it's out in the world, where I played Joy the elf. And they were like, do you want to keep your elf costume? And I was like, no.

[B]

You said no. That's like a. I'm sure it was a professional. Was it? Or was it.

[A]

No, no, it was just a velvet suit from Good American that did fit me very well. Because they wanted her to be like.

[B]

Not like this says, well, what do you mean?

[A]

They wanted her to be a. Like a business. A business business elf. And not like a sexy Amazon elf. This is from Amazon.

[B]

I got you. So it was not as. It was not as fun.

[A]

It was just a. It was like a hunter green velvet suit, which is, like, nice. But I was like, it's nice.

[B]

I get. I get not keeping it. My issue with Santas is that they're very sexy now. And I don't. I think Santa should be, like, pretty chubby. At least I think so. Yeah. Yeah. And like, now, like, they. If you like. I feel like every commercial this holiday season, except for the Eminem's one that is 30 years old at this point where they both faint and like, they are real or whatever. They're all hot Santas. And it really. They're all buff Santa. That's not Santa.

[A]

That isn't Santa, is it? Didn't Kurt Russell play Santa in a movie?

[B]

He did, but you know what? He's like, beardy and.

[A]

But Kurt Russell's hot.

[B]

Kurt Russell is hot. I agree with you.

[A]

I mean, give me the Tim Allen Santa. I like the Santa Claus. It's one of my favorite fucking holiday.

[B]

And they show him getting. He gets fat. He. It happens. Yeah.

[A]

And I love it so much.

[B]

And there's nothing wrong with a fat Santa. It's a good.

[A]

That's who Santa is. Santa's fat.

[B]

Santa's fat. He's jolly and plump. Yes, merry old elf.

[A]

And jolly implies fat. I was fired from a job because I was too jolly. I was like, what? They said I was fat.

[B]

You got fired from a job because you were too jolly?

[A]

I got fired from.

[B]

You should out these fuckers.

[A]

I'm arrest. I don't know if it still exists. Mars, will you look it up? It was called Elmo, and it was right by McManus in New York on 7th Avenue. I don't know if it still exists.

[B]

I thought you meant Sesame Street's Elmo for a moment. I was like, what? It was like a commercial thing or.

[A]

Elmo from Sesame street called me jolly, and I fucking hate that motherfucker. No, it's just a. They still exist. They're still open. Fuck Elmo.

[B]

What is. What is Elmo?

[A]

It's just. It's a restaurant in New York. I can't believe it's still open. Wild Restaurant and Lounge.

[B]

Wait, this was.

[A]

It's a restaurant in New York City.

[B]

This. This wasn't like. This was. This. This was like a. A restaurant job.

[A]

This was. I was a hostess. And I remember what I wore the first and only day I worked. I wore a silver pleather miniskirt with a black turtleneck with little boots, and I thought I looked so cute. And I like seat people.

[B]

I'm sure you did.

[A]

I think it was like four hours of working. They were like, hey, so we don't think this is gonna work out. You're just a little too jolly. And I was like, a little too jolly. And then the manager of that restaurant a couple months later moved to. His name was Jason. He was really wonderful. He moved to a restaurant called Chat and Chew near Union Square. And then he's like, do you wanna be a hostess here? And I was like, ha ha. Yes. I'm still unemployed. So then I worked there for a very long time.

[B]

So you like that person you like?

[A]

Yes. Jason was great. Whoever.

[B]

My jaw's on the floor about Elmo. We should destroy. I should. Fat 911 that place.

[A]

Fat 911 that place.

[B]

I truly. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, I don't know if those people still work there, but yeah, I was fired from Elmo.

[B]

That's true. I cannot. It's already bad. And I just so sadly assumed it was in the Hollywood world because they are horrible in that way.

[A]

New York City.

[B]

That is fucking crazy.

[A]

And that's not the first place or. No, that was the first place I was fired for being fat. The second time was a Belveda Breakfast biscuit commercial. I talk about this on Connor Ratliff's old podcast, Dead Eyes, and I. It was a Comedy Central branded commercial. So I guess Belveda Breakfast Biscuits didn't vet who they hired. They were like, hire the funniest people. And I auditioned and I fucking killed it. And then we get to set and I was like, saying the lines. And you've been on a commercial shoot, right?

[B]

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where the fucking client was whispering in the corner. The director comes over, and they're like.

[B]

Some of the worst people in the world. Some of them, I'm sure, are great.

[A]

Are great, but most of them are so mean.

[B]

Yeah, so mean. Unfunny.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Not creative.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I just did one for Google. But they were all so nice. They were very nice. And I'm not just saying that. They were actually really nice to me.

[B]

And also, get that money. You deserve some good. Get the money.

[A]

You deserve some good Google money.

[B]

I mean, that is the thing. Are you mean to. How do you feel about, like, millionaire actors doing commercials? Because I think I am very, like. Like, if I see someone who is like, hey, like, it's Jeremy Piven or something or whatever, that's the. Like, it's. The smartest guys are doing an ad or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I am more critical of that. And I wish that the millionaires didn't do it because Just leave something.

[A]

Leave some crumbs for the rest of us.

[B]

That's what I'm saying, is that we like. And I don't. I don't. I never go out for. I'm sure you're. You just get offered these things. But I never go out for commercials because I just think it's soul crushing. But then there's a lot of people we know who are actors who should do those commercial roles. And now it's like every famous picture, they should be slightly shamed.

[A]

I feel like I do think they should be slightly shamed. But then sometimes I really think about it like, the smartless guys. I don't think they need the money.

[B]

Sure, sure. I don't even know what commercials they are in. I just picked them out of a hat.

[A]

Sure, sure. But sometimes I think about it and I'm like, oh, yeah, acting doesn't pay the way it used to.

[B]

No.

[A]

Nothing goes into syndication the way it used to.

[B]

That is very true.

[A]

Residuals aren't what they used to be. So I do believe these people are taking commercials so they can upkeep the lifestyle they've become accustomed to.

[B]

That is. That is. That is true. I just think that we. But then you see people who do it so much, and I'm just like.

[A]

But then you gotta think, do they have.

[B]

Yeah, but does Tina Fey ever. And I don't even know if she's in a commercial right now. But I'm just saying, like, does Tina Fey ever need to do a commercial ever again? The answer is no. And I think she even, like, spoke out against this. It's like, you don't. You don't. And this is dangerous territory. I shouldn't even say things like this.

[A]

Hey, listen, it's okay. If you're a millionaire watching right now, trying to think about doing a Candy Crush commercial, don't do it.

[B]

Don't do the Candy Crush commercials.

[A]

Leave it for me and Mitch.

[B]

You know what?

[A]

We need commercials.

[B]

That is the one that I will. That I'll call out.

[A]

Candy Crush.

[B]

There is a commercial with Jason Momoa and Chris Pratt and Keke Palmer and Kiki Palmer.

[A]

None of them were in the same place at the same time.

[B]

No.

[A]

It's the wildest fucking.

[B]

They're doing a Monopoly.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And look, I have worked with Pratt. He's a nice man, but I would.

[A]

Be like, he doesn't need it.

[B]

But why are you doing this? Monopoly. Why are you doing it?

[A]

You don't need it.

[B]

You should be shamed. Chris. I'm sorry.

[A]

You did Jurassic World.

[B]

You did Jurassic World. You should be made fun of her.

[A]

You're a guardian of the galaxy and.

[B]

Like, we gotta walk on thin ice and feel like. You should be made fun of for that. You should get made fun of for that. That is embarrassing. Don't do it. Go to Japan and make the commercial. That's what they used to do to do. That's that. And that was like, okay, I'm going to go to Japan.

[A]

Shame anymore.

[B]

There should be some shame that's brought back. I'm sorry. It needs to be brought back a little bit. And just a little bit.

[A]

Agree. I also think celebrities can be a little bit more wilder. I like a messy celebrity.

[B]

Also.

[A]

Chris Pratt, if you're listening, you might be his friend. I'm not his friend. He took a historical home, demolished it, and built a modern monstrosity. Don't do that. Go buy a plot of land somewhere.

[B]

Chris, what's up? Sorry to call you out on Monopoly.

[A]

Chris.

[B]

We're still boys.

[A]

Also, why'd you wake up Jennifer Lawrence on that ship?

[B]

I mean, that is. You know what, though? Look, if I was alone on the ship, I maybe would have done the same thing.

[A]

Let that lady sleep.

[B]

I know, but I'm lonely.

[A]

Wake up a man. Play video games with that man. Don't be a lady. Honest. Honestly.

[B]

Can I be honest? I probably would have woken up, like, I would have found the guy who looks the most like me and woken him up. And I also would have been like, hey, I woke you up. Like, I would have been honest about it.

[A]

Yes. You have to be honest. You can't be like, oh, I don't know what happened. Yeah, let her sleep. Leave her alone.

[B]

He should have. I mean, it is. It's a little creepy. It was a little creepy.

[A]

It's very creepy. You have to leave ladies alone. Chris Pratt. Wait, Mitch, are you dating? Are you single? What's going on?

[B]

I'm dating. It's been a long road for me where I did not on February. I was dating my neighbor for a long time, and I liked her very much. And I was like, is this the last date? Do I never have to go on our first date ever again? That's where my head was at. Didn't turn out to be true. It didn't work out that the way I thought it would be. And so we were living next door each other. It was a little difficult as far as, like, this person is next door to me. And then I went to Toronto to film, and that was kind of a good Band Aid rip because, like, even after we were broken up, we were still neighbors. We're neighbors and we were hanging out all the time. And then I went to Toronto and there was, like, a little bit of dating up there. And then. And then by February of this year, I was like, I'm done. I'm like, not I'm done. I was like, I'm going to focus on myself. I'm on Zep Bound. This is. This makes me sound crazy, but two years ago, I got long Covid. Do you know.

[A]

You know, why does this make you sound crazy?

[B]

Because I'm like, half the country doesn't believe in it. So that is, like. That is the issue with it.

[A]

I feel like every time I get Covid, I'm a little dumber.

[B]

It's. It was. It's the craziest thing I've experienced in my adult life, where two years ago I got Covid. And after it was done, like, that same kind of, like, as I was getting better, I got vertigo. I got intense brain fog. My vision was fucked up. There was like, all this shit that I was like, what's going on?

[A]

Yeah, it's like, how do you explain this if it's not long Covid? Honestly, I feel like a lot of this country has long Covid and it's manifested in psychosis, and people are just like, I don't know. That's how we are now.

[B]

So many people. The thing that I've been happy about, about being open about is that people in the comedy world have like, texted me and been like, I think I have long Covid. And I've been like, it sucks. But, like, when you do realize that you can, like. And also, like, it should go away at some point. And it's been such a. It's been such a ride for me. And. And when we did Doughboys on the road in, like, May or something, I had kind of like a relapse where I wasn't as bad as. Because as bad as it was down here, it was so. It was the worst experience of my life. For four months, I thought I was going to kill myself. It was so. It was. It was really, really, really bad. And then it's so much anxiety, vertigo, like, where you couldn't walk. You know what I mean? Like. Like, I would get up and be like. And it's like four months of that, you get wanting to be like, I gotta jump off a roof. I like it. That's where my head was at.

[A]

Get out of here.

[B]

I mean, that's kind of where my head was at at that time. And then I remember the day where the anxiety lifted up because it comes with intense anxiety. And I remember the day, and I've always been a little anxious, as you know, I'm a little nervous.

[A]

A little bit.

[B]

Just a little bit. A little nervous guy. And then it was like. You could feel. It was, like, heavy. And then I remember the day I was, like, texting with my buddy Dano, and he was like, like, dan, Daniel, he rules. Great, a great guy. And he was like. He's like, you know, like, it's gonna. Like, you're gonna get. The anxious stuff is gonna go. And I remember I was in Home Goods with my mom, who came out because I told her that I was. I was also paranoid. It was, like, so much stuff at once.

[A]

God, I'm sorry.

[B]

It was bad.

[A]

I didn't know it was this intense.

[B]

It was very, very intense. She. And she. She was gonna come out, like, a few weeks later. She's like, I'm coming out this week. And she came out, and I went to the doctors, and I didn't know what it was at this point, but Dana was like, that anxiety is going to lift off you. I remember, like, feeling the anxiety, like, coming off my body and being like. And that was, like, the first step. And then the vertigo went away, which was great. But I was trying to figure it out, and I didn't know what it was. And then in May, Nick and I, with the doughboys, went on tour, and I had, like, a relapse. And it wasn't as bad as it was, but it was still really bad. I was like, I need to figure this out. And I went to my primary care doctor, who also, like, was like, I don't know if it's long Covid. And he prescribed me Lexapro just because I was sad about stuff.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I started taking Lexapro. All that sexual desire went away.

[A]

Goodbye.

[B]

So there. So not only was I, like, I'm gonna take care of myself, like, in February, I also just had no libido. There was no sex drive. And so that was, like, almost helpful in a way. And then I. So I was doing that for a while, and then he gave me a nucleocapsid test, which is. And so. I know. And the nucleocapsis, I came back. I came back positive with COVID antibodies, and I hadn't had it in a year. And that's when he was like, oh, I do think you have long Covid.

[A]

That's fucking nuts.

[B]

It sucks. That's. And, like, that was like, there's no real test for long Covid. But it was like, oh, this is like, such a relief for you to see this and be like, oh, he wasn't, like, making things up. This is real. And I got put in a long Covid study at ucla, and I've been in that long Covid study. And then eventually at the long Covid study, I was like, I got no sex drive. And my doctor was like, we should get you off Lexapro. And I changed over to Wellbutrin. And so I've been on Wellbutrin. And then I just was like, I should try to start to date a little bit. And I've gone a few days. I'm not gonna get into it too much, but I've been on a few dates.

[A]

Yeah, that's nice.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's been good. It's been good. I am like.

[A]

I like that.

[B]

I don't, you know, Like, I am still, like, first of all, libido. Still not back yet, but I am. I was in a place where I'm like, I'm trying to get myself better. And I've been on Zepbound for a year, and I've lost about £55 so far. Thank you very much. You look great.

[A]

Thank you. I've been on Manjaro for. This is 2025, I think, for two years, I've been on Manjaro. I think it was October 2023. I went on it, and I still haven't figured out food.

[B]

Yes. I mean, that's the crazy thing is with. It is. It does. I've got you. I'm sure you agree with this is that it does show you that you can have much smaller portion sizes and be like, I can be okay with. This is what I said about. Cause I used to get. I get Jersey mics a lot, even still. And I would get a regular size sub, and now I always get the minis. And I was like, I never in my life thought that I would ever just eat a mini and be satisfied. And that is like the thing where I'm like, oh, you can do that. And then also, if you're off of it, if you go off of it for a week or two weeks or whatever, for whatever reason, the hunger does come back.

[A]

It comes back in a way where I'm like, what the fuck?

[B]

Yeah. Like, what have I been missing? I need to eat everything in the world. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

And I guess with me, the thing I haven't figured out is I did not. I didn't. So my doctor was like, here's. Here's what you should be eating. Fruits, vegetables, chicken, turkey.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

And I said, I'm gonna eat Whoppers. So I would just not be hungry during the day because I was on the Manjaro. And then at night, I would be like, oh, man, I'm so hungry. So then I would eat a Whopper.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

French fries, and a milkshake every single night for, like, four months. And then.

[B]

I mean, I love it personally, but I get what you're saying that, like. Oh, I guess, like. Well, you're still doing great. It seems like.

[A]

Well, yeah, I was technically in a calorie deficit, but, like, I wasn't doing the nutritious way of doing it.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

And then I would, like, do these workouts during the day.

[B]

Which I haven't. I've been busy and I haven't worked out. And it does, like, you do feel like. I'm like, my back hurts and, like, my legs hurt. I'm like, oh, my muscle is going away.

[A]

Yes, because you haven't fucking worked out. And then. And I think the medication eats your muscle or you lose muscle.

[B]

You start losing muscle. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a combination of. You have to be working out while you do it or you lose. And, like, there's like, a bone density thing.

[A]

Yeah, something like that. Where it's, like, easier for you to break bones, which is like, go, boy. But I just, like, googled fat people working out. And then it showed me.

[B]

It showed me.

[A]

It showed you. And you were just lifting weights, going, it's me, Mitch, doing curls with donuts. But it showed me this. I think it's a. It's a company called the Body Project, and it's a man named Daniel. And he's in the middle. He's, like, pretty fit, but he's got bad knees. So he does low impact stuff.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then there's a fat person on one side, and then, like, a person doing high impact, like a thinner person on the other side. And then I was like, well, if I could just keep up with the fat person, then I'm, like, doing okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I would do those, like, three to four times a week. And it was hard. It was so hard.

[B]

Yeah. That's great.

[A]

And then now that I've lost, like, a little bit of weight, if I go too long without exercising, it gets hard again. And I'm like, oh, so this is, like, a consistent thing. So forever I have to, like.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Track calories, because I actually don't understand what I'm eating, and I'll just mindlessly eat, and I have to work out. And I'm like, I don't want it.

[B]

Life sucks in a lot of ways, Mitch.

[A]

It does.

[B]

It sucks.

[A]

It sucks so hard.

[B]

It's a bummer. When I started taking it, I was like, this is a miracle drug in many ways. And I tell a lot of big people to get on it. And I told, you know, that I know big comedians, and I tell all of them.

[A]

I'm like, you know, I know big comedians. I tell everyone, too. I'm like, if you can get on it, get on it.

[B]

That's the issue. It is a little bit expensive. I was like, like, hesitant to do it. I met with my doctor, and I was like, is this gonna give us, like, will this give me cancer in 10 years? And then he was like. He was like, GLP1 drugs have been around longer than people say.

[A]

Yeah, I think Ozempic's been around for, like, 15 years or something like that.

[B]

Yeah. And, like, people with diabetes, they've been using, like, a form of this. Of these drugs forever. And he was like, you know what causes cancer? He's like, being a big fatty. And I was like. And I was like, being a big.

[A]

Fat fatty.

[B]

And I was like, that's a great point. And then when I had. And he's like, heart disease and cancer, like, your. Your. Your risks go way up. And then when I had long covet, I was like, I need to try to get rid of everything. I talked to an immunologist who is like, a real deal in New York.

[A]

Like, what's the immunoma?

[B]

Immunologist is like. Like, you're like a doctor that studies, like, your immunities to things and stuff like that. And. And so with long Covid, it's like your immune system is acting again, like, fighting against you. And they say that so much of it is. Is inflammation, and when you're heavy, you have more inflammation. And so it's like, as time has gone on, I've lost weight. I'm like, I feel. But I feel like it's the best choice I've ever made in my life. I tell every big guy to do it. Also, one in 10 people who have get Covid. Get long covet. And I think the numbers are even harder, higher than they say.

[A]

I. I believe you because I truly, every time I get coveted, I'm, like, dumb for a couple months after.

[B]

And that I've been, you know, I wasn't. You know, I wasn't that great. To begin with, I didn't have the best brain. I'm a fun time, but I'm not a brainiac, as they would say.

[A]

You need all them brain cells and.

[B]

I need everyone I can get. So I take turmeric, which is an anti inflammatory thing. And also there's so many people that are very. Like I said with the buff Santas, there's so many people that are like, you need to lose weight the right way. And I was just talking, I was talking to so many people about this just recently. And it's like, yeah, well, like if you had cancer and there was a drug, you would take it. You would take it.

[A]

And it's like, I would tell a diabetic not to take insulin.

[B]

Yes. And it's like. But they were like, yeah, but you could get on the treadmill. And I'm like, there's so many different bodies. I have lost weight. What people say is the right way. When I was in.

[A]

And it came back.

[B]

And it came back. And I rode crew in college and it was like, I worked out six days a week for like two and a half to three hours those six days a week. And it got me, like right to a. Like, got me to like £200. And I'm like. And that was like, you know, like years of doing that. And I'm like. And when I did this thing called noom, which I was just like watching all of my calories in and was never going out, never having drinks and was miserable. And then with this, you're just like, I take the shot. I can enjoy my life. I can hang with people and all these pieces of shit who talk shit about Jillian Michaels and all these fucking idiots. Bill Maher can fucking suck my Santa's dick. He's a fucking asshole.

[A]

Understand why? So it's like, if you're fat, they're like, go work out. But then it's like, okay, so it's hard to find workout clothes as a fat person because they don't make them for fat people. They're hard to find.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then it's like, if you work out, sometimes people talk shit about you at the gym.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then it's like, if you.

[B]

And also it's harder for some fat people to fucking work out. I mean, like, that's the thing. It's not easy. It's like. And some people are like, genes are a factor in all this. It's that sort of thing of like, I got on the treadmill the other night. Cause I hadn't done in A while. And I was like. I used to do, like, I'd jog at, like, you know, like 4 miles per hour for 0.2 miles, and then I would walk for 3.3 miles, and I would just do that back and forth. And then I got on it the other night, and I, like, could only do that fast run for 0.1 miles.

[A]

Per hour because it's hard.

[B]

It's hard.

[A]

If you don't keep up with it, it gets hard again.

[B]

It does, yes. And also, our world is crazy. And there's. And, and like, I think the thing with work, with working out is like the consistency thing, and it's hard to.

[A]

Be consistent if it's like, tomorrow you have to go fly to this place.

[B]

Or you have to go do this.

[A]

And it's like not saying that our.

[B]

Job is harder than other.

[A]

It's not rocket science, but, like, there's.

[B]

Garbage men that wake up at five in the morning. Yes. It just is. You're, you're, you're. Your schedule is never consistent. I guess is. Is the issue.

[A]

And it's very easy to, like, like, not have a routine if you get sad.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, that's it.

[A]

You get a little sad. And this is just people in general. It's like, you like, I found this lady on Instagram who was like, fat, lost like 150 pounds, and was like a personal trainer and then gained 150 pounds again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And she's like, it's really hard to, like, do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, live a life, preach a thing, and then gain it all back, and now I have to lose it all again. And I'm like, yeah, so let her inject things if she wants.

[B]

And also, garbage men, you can also inject. Anyone can do it any per. I mean, the issue is the price with it. And I know I'm lucky to be able to do that.

[A]

But also, insurance. My insurance covers it, but also.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

I'm diabetic, and I have high blood pressure, and I have high cholesterol and a little bit of sleep apnea. And you know what the most annoying thing is?

[B]

You have sleep apnea.

[A]

Oh, Mitchell.

[B]

It was bad.

[A]

So I recorded myself because I was dating somebody, and the first time they slept over, they were like, hey, when you sleep, it's pretty scary.

[B]

And I said, I will tell you, I've heard that so many times in my life from people I'm dating or just family members or friends. Yeah.

[A]

I once had a friend. I think it was Mary Sassen. We shared a Room on, like, a girls trip years and years and years ago. And she was like, do you think maybe we don't share a room? And I was like, what do you mean? She was like, you snore really loud. And I was like, that's crazy. And then Marcy was like, you do snore, but it doesn't bother me.

[B]

I have a friend who, like, had hooked up with a lady, and he said that it was, like, shaking the bed, snoring. And then she was like, I think I'm just gonna go home and stay at my place. And he was like, like, so relieved. But I've been that person, and she should. And you shouldn't feel bad. Have you ever gotten a sleep study done or. No?

[A]

No. So what I did was so those. I recorded it with this app and I listened back to it, and I was like, this is humiliating.

[B]

Have you ever listened to it on this podcast?

[A]

No.

[B]

Do you have it?

[A]

I'm pretty.

[B]

Yeah, I, I, I will. I can find me snoring. Just. I can look at my phone and find me snoring. I guarantee you, my, your snores are. My snores are, Are like my, My mom and sister thought I was dying so many times. Really, they were, they were, like, genuinely nervous about me with sleep apnea. And my dad was a big snore. My dad was a guy who was in shape, you know, Also. My dad.

[A]

My dad was also in shape.

[B]

Yeah, My dad was like, he was like a wake up at like, 5am and do, like, crunches sort of guy, but, like, like, never, like, also, like, like, such a gym crazy guy. But he was, like, always in good shape. But he snored like crazy.

[A]

It's.

[B]

I'm not even lying to you. Mine. My snore. My snore. This is the scarier one. That's the scary one is breathing.

[A]

Yeah. And then do you hear, like, the choking?

[B]

Yeah, it's just a long winter's nap is all it is.

[A]

Yeah. I downloaded that app because I was like. Because he said it was scary to sleep next to me. And then someone we both know, I hooked up with them, and he was like, we were on a tour cone. They were like, I had to go back to my room because you were snoring so loud. And I was like, everyone's being really just like, dramatic about this. And then I listened to it, and I was like, oh, my God, I.

[B]

Have cameras in my house for my cats. And I. And I have listened to myself snore. And it is, It's Very, very bad. I'm not even kidding. It's way worse than that.

[A]

Is it? Well, I mean, that was the one that I could find without, like, I also moan in my sleep.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Like, wild. Like.

[B]

Hey, no guy. No, no. No one who's hooking up. You're gonna kick you out of bed for that?

[A]

Nope. But for the story they did. So that went away. I don't snore anymore.

[B]

You don't?

[A]

Oh.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[A]

It's all of my medical issues. So there's some people who are healthy at, like, a bigger weight or a bigger size. I'm not one of them. And, yeah, it, like, it was a very unfortunate thing to understand, but, like, the snoring went away, and there's medication.

[B]

That can help you.

[A]

Yeah. And then, like, I'm no longer in the diabetic range anymore.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But it does spike if I eat something bad and all of the symptoms come back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My blood pressure is, like, slightly elevated sometimes, but, like, if I.

[B]

Much better than it was for a.

[A]

Little bit, it, like, is normal.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, everything's normal now. And I was like. And it's annoying because I didn't mind being bigger.

[B]

Sure. I mean, that's. That is the hard thing about. Is that you're, like, always, like, I like who I am. Like, especially as you get older and get comfortable. I hated it when I was younger and was 200 pounds and I was, like, 200 pounds seems insane to me. I lost 50, almost 60 pounds, and I weighed 275 pounds. You know what I mean?

[A]

It's like, it is wild to still to. Because I think I've lost. Because I lost 30, 25 or 30 pounds by myself before starting it.

[B]

That's great.

[A]

And it was so hard, and I was miserable.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then I went on it. So I think all together, I've lost, like, 80 or 90 pounds or something like that.

[B]

But, like, imagine arguing against this thing that has made you so much healthier.

[A]

It's truly crazy.

[B]

People are insane. And it is like this old puritan thing of, like, doing things right, suffering or whatever.

[A]

It's like, I don't want to suffer. It's nice that I had help. Help.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And it was still hard with help.

[B]

Of course. Yes. It's not. It's not.

[A]

I still had to, like, work out. I still had to do all that.

[B]

And also, like, you're changing your hat. It's like, whatever. People are crazy about it. I. And also, like, I was so ashamed of being Big when I was younger. And now I'm like, I am so much more comfortable as I am. But it was the sort of thing I was like, I don't feel good. I don't feel healthy. I started using a cpap. I used. I've used a CPAP in the last year, which has been great. And also Zepbound approved for sleep apnea.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. But still, I haven't been able to get it just through I.

[A]

Have you only been on Zepbound or were you on.

[B]

I've only been on Zeppelin.

[A]

Yeah. I went on. I was on Ozempic because I think my insurance was, like, gonna cover Ozempic and not the Manjaro. But my doctor was like, huh? She's like, have you, like, like, your hunger gone away? And I was like, no. And then she was like, and your numbers are not good.

[B]

Oh, really? Yeah. Some people have success with different ones. Very strange. Yeah.

[A]

So one is a semi glotud. A Tricepatide. I don't know if I'm saying any of that right. But this. The Tricepatide is the one that works best for me.

[B]

I'm on. I think.

[A]

I think you're on the semi.

[B]

No, no, I think. I think. I think. I think Zepbound is also. I think it's the same thing, right? He's a Manjaro. And.

[A]

No, I think when Govi and Manjaro are the same, and I think Zepbound and Ozempic are the semi.

[B]

All right.

[A]

I think. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Zepbound is not a semi glue. Like.

[B]

Oh, okay. So we are on the same. We are on the same thing. Zepbound is not a semi glue tied.

[A]

Oh, okay. So movie is the pair to Ozempic.

[B]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Or the.

[B]

Because it gets rid of the food.

[A]

Noise in your head, which is a wild thing. I remember, like, when I first took it, I was like, like, dinner time came, and I was like, oh. I didn't, like, obsess about what I was gonna have for dinner.

[B]

I know it's crazy. And when you go up. When I go up in my dosage, I'm on the second to last going. I'm like, oh, same time is running out for me. And I only lost, whatever, £50.

[A]

And I. Yeah, but that's good.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, I know. It's great. It's a great thing. And I feel a lot better. And my long Covid stuff has gotten better. There's so much great stuff about it.

[A]

Real quick, we have to Take a break.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, I get like stomach side effects sometimes.

[A]

Do you be.

[B]

Sometimes yes and sometimes no. I, I take, I take, I take my magnesium every night and I take two magnesiums in a Senakit every night. Senna is like a, a natural laxative, I guess you could say. And even still some weeks, especially when I go up or anything like that changes, it will be like kind of weird and then sometimes you do go more. It's very, it is a very wild ride with that story.

[A]

I just be shitting and the nice man in my life. I we went to D.C. last year. That was like our first trip together, I think. Yeah, that was our first trip together. And I remember cornering him in the hotel room because I was like, I'd be shitting. And I'm gonna have to tell him that I'd be shitting a hotel.

[B]

I mean, a hotel room trip with significant other. That is like, the first time, especially. That's tough. That is tough.

[A]

And I was like, sir, I be shitting. And I have these little matches that are incense. You keep burning them, and then you could just be shitting. And it smells good. It smells like jasmine. So when I be shitting, you're gonna smell jasmine and maybe a little shit. But, like, I be shitting. I literally, like. I remember putting my suitcase down, and he was like, coming around the corner, and I was like, I be shitting. And he was like, yes, it's fine.

[B]

Yeah. I think a lot of people are like, yo, you're a human being. You know, they're pretty quick to know. But that's stuff that I was always. And I think that when I. If I've ever stayed in a hotel with someone, I'm like, I gotta go. There's like. There's something in the lobby. I'm just check on the thing. And then I'll come back like, 30 minutes later covered in sweat.

[A]

Just like, sweating. Being like. And I checked on it and it's fine.

[B]

Don't worry.

[A]

Don't worry. I got it. We went to Mexico, and there was a balcony on our room. And I remember I had eaten.

[B]

Put the toilet out there.

[A]

Yeah, put it out there. Put it on the balcony, not in the room. But I'd eaten just a lot of treats. Just.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause I was like, I'm on vacation, of course. And I didn't take my punjara.

[B]

Did you? Sometimes. Look, I get it. If you're gonna go on vacation, this is what I'm just thinking of this week. It's not to date this, but it is a holiday this week.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I won't say what holiday is. Not.

[A]

We don't know which holiday. We don't know which hol.

[B]

It could be Fourth of July.

[A]

No, it's Christmas.

[B]

It's Christmas.

[A]

You're dressed as fucking Santa Claus. I won't say which holiday it is, but I am.

[B]

There's maybe some sort of holiday feast that will be happening. And I'm like, I don't want to take this shot two days before the holiday feast. I'm going to do it the following, which is okay, you can. That's fine.

[A]

Which is okay. And I will say, like, the hunger does come back when I don't take it. But I also. It's like an internal struggle which I don't wanna deal with on a daily basis where I just go, I am full. You can stop eating. Yeah, stop eating. And then I have to, like, kind of get up and take a. Like a minute.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when I'm on it, like, I don't have to do all that. But, like, when I don't take it, whatever, it just. It sucks.

[B]

I 100% get it. And also, I'm telling every. And I know people who have now gotten on it. I am so, so. I am so very open about this stuff now. And like I said with long Covid this thing, I'm gonna get hair plugs at some point. I don't give a shit.

[A]

Wait, let me see your head. Oh, I see. Right here.

[B]

Well, here is bad. But honestly, this does.

[A]

That's bad. You have more hair than most.

[B]

But check out here.

[A]

Let me see. Okay. Okay.

[B]

Well, see?

[A]

Yeah. When are you gonna get him?

[B]

I don't. I don't know.

[A]

Here's the thing. Balding happens.

[B]

It does.

[A]

It's a thing that's happening. Either you go, sure. Or you go, no, I don't want that.

[B]

Yeah. As an actor, I kind of don't want.

[A]

Are you gonna go to Turkey?

[B]

I think I'm gonna go to Turkey. If you wanna come, I'll come. I'm trying to get, like, a trip together. And I'm like. I'm like, any bald buddies who want to come to Turkey and get it done? And also people who just want to come to Turkey and have fun, I'll come to Turkey.

[A]

I did want to get these taken care of.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Because it's all skin now.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Unless you're comfortable with it. I mean, it's truly a thing that if you feel. If you want to get rid of it, do it. And if you don't, don't do it.

[A]

I don't know. I like, for a hot second, I was like, no, I really want to get rid of them because it impedes on clothing that I can wear.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Because it'll fit, like here. It just won't fit in the arm. But then I was like, oh, no. I kind of like having it like an accessory. It's a free joke. It makes me laugh really hard when I do it. I'm like, whatever.

[B]

I mean, I also. I think if it's Something that you are like, I know that a lot of people who've lost weight have done, like.

[A]

Yeah. Like skin removal.

[B]

Yeah. And. And, you know, like, I think that if you're. If it's a thing that bothers you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who then? Who. Who are the. Who are going to say otherwise about it? You know what I mean? Like, fuck them. They're assholes. And if you like it, that's great, too. And fuck those assholes who don't like it.

[A]

Yeah. If you don't like this, fuck you. But sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm gonna have to shove it in whatever. Just play with it. Sometimes.

[B]

I thought that for me, I was, like, 50 pounds lost. And I thought it would help with some things below the belt. Like, I thought things would look maybe better down there.

[A]

Oh, I see.

[B]

Maybe things would look.

[A]

I see. Bigger.

[B]

Not the case so far.

[A]

Well, I lost weight. My pussy's huge. It's so big. People are like, whoa, look at that moose knuckle. Which is just an iconic way to talk about a camel toe. A moose knuckle. That's funny.

[B]

It is very funny. I have never been a shower, but I was like, maybe this will help with the showing. That doesn't really help that much.

[A]

Well, showing doesn't matter. It's the growing part, actually, that doesn't quite matter to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I will say I am a size queen, but I've dated people with, you know, not the biggest penises.

[B]

Sure is.

[A]

Or I've dated people with no penises.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Sliced right off. No, I'm kidding. Women and, you know, they do different shit. And that's nice, too.

[B]

That's in my. In. In my mind. I, like, I always want my libido to come back. I think that is all the self consciousness.

[A]

Well, have you tried.

[B]

I take Calis now. I just started because of Lexapro stuff, so I'm taking that. But also, like, you know, it's not like I've been having a lot of sex anyways, but I. But I.

[A]

When you take Cialis, because I don't know anything about this, are you open to talking about it?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

So Cialis, is it, like. Do you take it every day?

[B]

Yeah, there's daily cialis, which is 5 milligrams, which is what I'm doing.

[A]

And then. Does it make you horny?

[B]

It, like, makes things work more down there. Which with Lexapro, I was like, I want me to tell you tmi.

[A]

I always. I love knowing too much about people.

[B]

I. I texted a Fat guy text thread that I'm on. And I was like, I haven't masturbated for six weeks. And they were all like, what? And I was like, I know. And that was when I was like, like, okay, is this, like, going to permanently destroy, like, is Lexapro, like, permanently going to destroy it? And I've been off Lexapro for, like, a couple weeks now, and I have at least tmi been able to masturbate again.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I've done that a couple times since that's happened, which, like, I was like, it's like, oh, my life was going good and I did feel better when I was on Lexapro and Wellbutrin, I was like, I feel great. And I feel. Because so much of it for me is like. Like, I had gotten over the thing of being anxious. And I've worked at. We've. We've all worked at this thing for 20 years. And then when I was having this stuff from long Covid, like, my brain wasn't working as well and I was getting anxious again, and I was like, is this gonna, like, destroy the thing that I've worked so long to do? And there are still some times when I'm, like, on set and I'm like, I think I gotta get, like, a beta blocker or something, like, where I'm like. Like, I'm like, my short term memory's not as good and now I'm getting anxious.

[A]

My short term memory is not as good either. And I don't know if that's a Covid thing or, like, are getting, you know, getting older or like, I spend too much time on my phone. But yeah, I now will sometimes, like, in between auditions or in between jobs, I'll just try to memorize things.

[B]

That's. That's. And I first. Since things have gone on zoom with auditions, I now have figured out a way to just read with some. I figured out a way to read with someone on Zoom and I never learn anything anymore. And I'm like, is that also affecting it a little bit too? Or it's like, this is why you do. This is why you used to do auditions, to, like, get that part down or whatever.

[A]

Have also figured out how to just read with a prompter.

[B]

Yes. And so much. I mean, there's so much shit you're not going to even book or whatever. Like.

[A]

But now I just go, just learn it.

[B]

That's smart.

[A]

Just learn it. Because it, like, it kind of helps me.

[B]

Muscle memory. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

But I. Here's the thing. Bring back. I have so many thoughts about Hollywood. 1. Gavin Newsom. Okay, can we clip this out because. Sure. Listen, Gavin Newsom. Nicole the elf wants you to make more tax breaks in Los Angeles, California. Because if I understand capitalism well, which I think is bad, but if I understand it well, the people got to spend the money. So if there is no nothing shooting here, how do the people make the money to spend the money here? That's capitalism. Also, it's Hollywood. Make it. Make it so it's so ludicrous for you to build elsewhere. Make it so ludicrous that Fox can't shoot all of their stuff in Ireland. Make it so people have to shoot here and use the lots they already fucking have here. That's my one thought. Mr. Gavin Newsom. The rest of my thoughts have nothing to do with you. Bring back character actors.

[B]

Bring back character actors. Fat Santas need to be around. I Look, I am 100. This is the. I mean, we have talked about stuff like this where it was like earlier this year, remember? I was like, you were like, stay alive till 2025. And you're like, that ain't nothing's happening.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And fuck all the streamers. I'm sorry. Fuck all of them.

[A]

They fucked shit up.

[B]

They fucked shit up. And also going back to the thing of like, millionaires shouldn't be, we need actors that are leaders. There's no more actors. And I think speaking out on this is important because I'm also like all these people that take these big checks from Amazon and Netflix. Netflix, one of the worst companies in the world. Stop watching. There's not even. I was on a show on Netflix. I'm very proud of it. And I think it is a good show on Netflix.

[A]

I think people forget that Netflix is a tech company. First and foremost. Apple is E commerce. They're also hemorrhaging money for art, which I love.

[B]

Apple is the one I like more.

[A]

Because couples like they're doing it.

[B]

They put their movies in theaters, too.

[A]

They put their movies in theaters.

[B]

A lot of people don't know the people, like, a lot of people who don't work in Hollywood don't know that when a movie isn't in theaters, it over actors and people.

[A]

It fucks over your residuals. Over residual. Yeah. Your money.

[B]

It's. They're over money. And it's not just. It's. It's not just above the line people below the line. People also work for less. Everyone is getting by these. These disruptors that are so full of shit. Ted Sarandos can suck Santa's dick as well. I don't give a. It's like that sort of thing of, like, we need. Need people who was like, I wish there were actors who were like, I'm not gonna work with the streamer that.

[A]

I also wish during our strike, it was like. Like, don't use AI and, like, pay us. Pay us what? Like, quotes don't matter anymore.

[B]

100.

[A]

We argued. So they don't ask what our quote is.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Which, if you're listening, you don't know. They would ask before, like, if. If they wanted you for a part. They go, how much do you. How much were you paid on your last part? And you go, $10. And they go, okay, we're gonna up your quote to $12. And you go, great. Now they go, ah, we're gonna pay you $7, because we don't know. And we're not allowed to ask you how much you got paid on your last project. So do you want $7 or not? And you go, all right. And they're like, actually, we're gonna give you five. And you go, all right. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. I. I'm thanking you for doing work. Like, I get work. I'll say this, and this will put it in perspective. Look, I know acting is, like, a fun job, and it's a good thing to have. Have two seasons of a show on Netflix. My first season of Twisted Metal, if you add all three of those up before taxes and before I paid my lawyer, my agent, and my manager, which is 25%, I made under $80,000 for all three of those seasons of a.

[A]

Show, which is bananas.

[B]

All three seasons. Just to let people know when they talk about how I have stairs in my house or whatever. I've. I've made money. The money I've made in this industry is from podcasting, and it's so crazy. And it's like, the people who are at the top, I'm like, I wish a lot of them would say. And look, I love a lot of people that, like, David Fincher works with Netflix. I love him. He's great. And I know that, like, the studio systems fucked him over so many times. And I'm like, I get some people doing. But, like, movies should be in theaters. Tech disruptors are so full of shit. Netflix never didn't make any money. They claimed to be like, we're losing money. They make so much money.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I know someone who, like, who worked over. This is the thing that, like, boiled my blood, like I said. Three seasons of the show, and I like that.

[A]

Yeah, that's actually. That's crazy.

[B]

And then. And then someone who worked at Netflix, they were leaving the job and they got a severance package of $100,000 who worked in the offices. And I'm like, so, like, you are paying people?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You're fucking over.

[A]

The actors are getting actors and artists.

[B]

Yeah. And crew, too. Of course.

[A]

It, like, kind of sucks because, like, if you're number one or two on the call sheet, which means you're the star, you get sometimes an incredible amount of money. And that's the budget. And then they go, we don't have budget for, you know, number four, five, six on the call sheet. So that's why they're getting pennies and they're getting paid so much. It's like the pay discrepancy is so fucking wild.

[B]

It's crazy. And look, say what you want about Tom Cruise, the man loves movies and loves.

[A]

He loves movies so much. On Father's Day, he was making movies and having fun.

[B]

Look, I won't stick up for everything the man does, but I'm like a guy who loves movies and wants them to be in theaters. I'm like, that is the reason I love that guy.

[A]

People argue that going to the movies is so expensive. And I'm like, yeah, sure, the ticket price is expensive, but not to be rude, growing up, my mom would pop us popcorn, put it in a Ziploc bag that she was going to wash later. We would bring our own cans of soda. And it wasn't that expensive because we brought our own fucking food in. Nobody's looking in your bag. Bring your own. Bring your own stuff in. Like, I love the movies. I can't tell you. Like, Madame Web was such a magical experience in theaters.

[B]

Sure. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Because we all decided at the top of the movie, this was fun.

[B]

She's gonna have fun. Yes.

[A]

We're gonna have a nice.

[B]

That's the theater experience. That's fun.

[A]

Watching the Substance in theaters was so.

[B]

I love the Substance.

[A]

It was so fun to just like.

[B]

And a little horny, too, if you ask me.

[A]

A little horny.

[B]

I mean, very horny.

[A]

It's very, very horny. It's a nice horny time.

[B]

Great horny time.

[A]

I love. I love the substance. Oh, I wanted to demi more when she was all old with one.

[B]

Now they're having these. It's. It is Santa on the Substance is what it is now. It's. It's fucked up. And also, that is funny, I gotta say. I. As much as we saying we should shame millionaires for doing commercials or whatever, I think we gotta start shaming people like this who like the slop and like the bad stuff.

[A]

Who, like, AI, Like.

[B]

Okay, can I just say, maybe this might be a strong statement.

[A]

What?

[B]

If you love Stranger Things, I think you're dumb. If you're a huge fan of Stranger Things, you're stupid. I'm sorry. You need to be shamed. You're an idiot. Well.

[A]

Well, my old thing about Stranger Things is I thought the first season, I was like, okay, yes. And then I kept going, and I was like, all right. And I can't believe it's still going.

[B]

Look, am I specifically making fun of it? Because it's on Netflix, and fuck Netflix. Yes. But also, I'm like, people just are so used to slop now, they don't care. I'm gonna get people. I'm just joking with you in a way. You can like Stranger Things. I don't give a shit.

[A]

No, you can't.

[B]

You can't. I mean, I just. So many people are just like, that's actually not bad. And I'm just like, what's happened to us?

[A]

Well, I was talking to Sasheer about this. I was like, I feel like people don't want, like. So, okay. We were talking about the mask.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I was like, there's no backstory to the mask. No, it's just. A mask was found. You put it on, it turned you green and zany, and then it. Like, it's. It's fun. It's like, there's so many catchphrases from it that are. That don't reference anything.

[B]

Can you imagine the mask coming out in 2025?

[A]

It would not do well.

[B]

It would not do. It wouldn't exist.

[A]

And it makes me so mad because I'm like, why don't we let people be weird and zany? And why don't we let people fucking have fun anymore?

[B]

Like, because they're all at home farting under their blankets watching fucking Stranger Things. Get out. Stop it. That's the best. That's the best we can do is Stranger Things. What's wrong with everyone?

[A]

Take so long for this last season? Why have I heard about this last season for 10 years?

[B]

That's another bad thing. It's like 12 years to make five seasons of show. Get the fuck out of here.

[A]

12 Years of Slave, 12 Years of Stranger Things. It's taken too damn long.

[B]

This is. This is the issue with streaming shows, too. It takes so long to make them. I'm like. And like, it just is. It's. It's crazy.

[A]

It is crazy. And then also, I don't understand why we don't do 22. We've talked nothing about dating. Ho, ho, ho. Sorry about it.

[B]

This does go into dating a little bit.

[A]

Well, I don't understand why there aren't 20 episodes of television shows anymore.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

Like, especially a comedy.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Like, if, like, if Seinfeld came out, I don't think it would last because it, like, it didn't hit, you know, on the first episode or whatever. I don't get it. Why don't we let things breathe? Also. Back to character actors. We need them back because we have Danny DeVito now. I think he started off as a character actor.

[B]

100%.

[A]

Yes. And then they said, what if he was the lead? And that's nice. That's fun. Where's our five, five foot, five little round man?

[B]

We need more. I mean, the funny people in movies now are hunks or whatever. Like, it's like, I don't want that. I don't want it either. It's bad. It's bad. And it's your fault.

[A]

It's your fault for watching Stranger Things and Millie Bobby Brown. You lie. I watched some of it. Doesn't she say that at some point?

[B]

I watched the first season and I was like, I didn't even like the first season that much. If you like it. I was just messing around. They're gonna get so mad at me.

[A]

No, it's okay. Are you going back to Quincy for the holiday?

[B]

I. I am. I'm going back. I'm going back tomorrow at 6am At 6am damn. At 6am that's just the way it worked out. We had to record doughboys and I'm going back there to. To hang with my mom and sister.

[A]

I do love your mom and your sister.

[B]

I know.

[A]

They love.

[B]

They love you.

[A]

They're such sweeties.

[B]

My sister is coming out here in February for her birthday and she was like, can Nicole come and get dinner with us for my birthday? I'm throwing out there.

[A]

You do not have. Where are we gonna go?

[B]

I don't know. I'll do somewhere nice and I'll pay for it.

[A]

What about Camp four?

[B]

I love it.

[A]

Have you been there?

[B]

No, but she'll. She'll.

[A]

It's like a bougie French, Michelin star place.

[B]

Oh, my mom would go crazy. I'll take us if you would join. If you want to join. And you're not busy.

[A]

I just said which restaurant I would like your family to take me to. I'm getting a steak.

[B]

I would love that. My sister would be very happy. She's coming out. She's gonna help me clean up my place a little bit.

[A]

Oh, that's nice.

[B]

They come out here and they help me. Like, I'm a little bit of a pack rat, so they help me come out and they help me throw some stuff away. They're gonna throw away some clothes that I'm. Now I've lost too much weight for, so we'll do some of that.

[A]

Okay. Can I tell you something wild? I just got more storage to store some of my fatter clothes because I'm scared. I'm like, well, what if I gain it back? I don't want to have to buy. I, you know what, collected all these clothes, but maybe I just need to, like, release that.

[B]

I think you do. I was gonna. This is what I was gonna say to you. You look great. You're gonna be having. Look, here's the thing. If you give those clothes away, they go to a good place. Not that. And you know that anyways. But also the other hand of it is, like, you're gonna do great. And if. And you're. You. You are happy with who you are, and if you do gain some weight back again, you get some new clothes or whatever. But also, don't. Don't put your head in. Don't put your head there.

[A]

That.

[B]

That will happen. You're doing. You look fantastic. And you've looked fantastic for. I mean, you've always looked fantastic.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

But you. But you look. You look. You've been looking very good for a couple years now.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

And I don't think that it's a thing that you should worry about. Truly.

[A]

It is funny, because it's okay. So, like, when you lost weight, did you, like, 50 pounds? Did you wake up one day and go, I look a little different?

[B]

It was, like, around 50, but it was, like, where I was like, oh, I look, like, slimmer. Like, when I had my shirt off, I was like, oh, I don't look. Like it doesn't look as flappy. Like, I looked as flappy. I didn't look like, I didn't look as big. You know what I mean? I mean, with guys, too. Like, you can, like, see your legs. You know what I mean? Like, you can, like, you can see, like, your.

[A]

No, no, same with me. I, at one point, was like, oh, I can see my feet.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

And that's like that's interesting.

[B]

That is. And that's.

[A]

I used to have to really lean to see them feet and I was like, oh, I can see them now. Which is like wild. But I felt like it was just like one day I woke up and I was like, I look different.

[B]

Yeah, sure, yeah. I think it, because I think you're, you're seeing that happen on a day to day basis and then you're like, oh, wait, at like, you know, 50, 60 pounds. You're like, oh, I do, I do. I've lost a lot of, I've lost a lot of weight. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

It is weird.

[B]

It's, it's, it's weird. And I also, when I was in this is the thing, I was some would say virginal in many ways. I, I guess some people just say a virgin.

[A]

Yeah, a virgin.

[B]

And when I like like went to school, I was like, I'm a virgin. I want to lose my virginity. I rode crew, I lost weight, but it never mentally got there for me. And then as an adult I was like, because I'm comfortable with myself way more now than I used to be. Which is one of the plus sides of just getting older where I like, I don't care as much anymore. And like I said like, you know, like wiener size is maybe the last hurdle to get over. But like besides that I'm like being chubby or the way my face looks like all that stuff. I'm like, I like who I am now and like all that stuff and has I've gotten over all of that stuff like way more. But when I was younger and I lost weight, I was not like I like that. The mindset never changed for me. I, I still was like, I still was like scared and didn't feel like I looked good or anything like that.

[A]

I'm trying to think because I lost weight. I like moved to New York, was in school, lost like £60 because I was doing a lot of cocaine and eating a little bit of pizza that I was just like walking a lot because I like lived in the city.

[B]

I haven't tried cocaine since. I've done Zeppelin. But I feel like it might be a nice duo.

[A]

Yeah. You want some? I got a little.

[B]

You have a little cocaine?

[A]

Yeah. You want to do some bumps on.

[B]

Camera on a Tuesday?

[A]

Let's just do that. Let's say I got nails and do a little bump. Come on a Tuesday.

[B]

I do have to fly tomorrow at 6am I'm not going to be tonight, so it would be the perfect time.

[A]

But you're not gonna go to bed?

[B]

I don't think so. Well, I gotta wake up at like 4 or whatever. I mean, like, I gotta leave at 4.

[A]

You're gonna leave at 4.

[B]

The flight's at 6. Like 6.

[A]

So you're gonna board at 5:30, leave at 5. Till lax, it takes like a half hour at 5.

[B]

No, the day before a big holiday.

[A]

You'Re gonna miss your flight. Don't listen to me. I constantly miss flights and I go, there's always another one.

[B]

Do you. Do you really miss flights a lot? I missed one in Boston. My dad was so angry that I' I was like, I'll never do again. Also gained 100 pounds after my dad and Harris Woodles died. So that is. You know what? I can kind of pinpoint when.

[A]

Yeah. I started gaining weight again. Yeah. After my dad died.

[B]

Yes. Which again. Hey, maybe there's some sad reasons that people are big. You know what I mean? Yes. There's a lot of different reasons that people get big.

[A]

But also when I was happy, I ate. When I was sad, I ate. When I was bored, I ate. Yeah, it was just like any occasion.

[B]

I be eating is that. Nick and I have talked about that. Like your vice being food. It's like every other vice is cooler in the, like drugs, alcohol, sex. It's like. Mine is like burgers. That's what I got is like.

[A]

Yes. And it's always depicted in the saddest way on television. I'm watching the Sopranos right now and Ginny Soprano. No, she's not a Soprano.

[B]

Oh, I'm sorry. Ginny Sax.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Where she. Where her husband hears about an insult about her. And then.

[B]

I love, I. I love this storyline, but it is portrayed well.

[A]

She's. She's got like. It's like a detergent box, a Tide box filled with candy. And she's like, nothing. I'm doing laundry. And he's like, what is. And I was like, like, why. Why is it always just a box full of. I'm like, that's not.

[B]

Which is on Ginny. Because her. Johnny Sax loves her for all she is, which is a beautiful thing.

[A]

He's never asked her to diet and she was doing it on her own. But I did think it was funny that he called off a hit because he was like, oh, she lied to me.

[B]

So that he should have still.

[A]

Yeah. Killed her.

[B]

Was it Ralphie that he was going to kill? Because.

[A]

Yeah, we're ruining this. But also, this is. It's pretty old.

[B]

It's pretty Old.

[A]

You're going to watch it.

[B]

What brought. Had you ever seen it before?

[A]

I had never seen it. I had also never seen Entourage in. That nice man in my life was like, I think he'd like, Entourage. Turns out I love Entourage. I mean, my God, Ari Gold is the. One of the best characters, I think, to ever grace the silver screen. Gold, green screen. What's. What's tv? Is that a silver screen?

[B]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Actually, good point. Bronze screen.

[A]

I don't know. On television, like, Ari Gold is.

[B]

I was just talking about this earlier today. I was like. I was, you know, like, people, there's been a lot of changes in Hollywood for the good.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And I'm like, some assholes can still exist. If you have. If the people they work with respect them and they're assholes, then but they respect them. I think it could still exist.

[A]

Are you talking about Jeremy Piven?

[B]

I mean, in that show specifically, I was saying his relationship with Lloyd in that show is like, he gives Lloyd a lot of shit, but Lloyd seems to really love him too, or whatever.

[A]

It felt like just like a roasty relationship where they kind of, like, roasted each other. It never seemed like, like mean. Like mean to. To Lloyd.

[B]

It's like. It's mean in what he says sometimes. But I'm also like, I just. Some. Some. Some like, old producers that they're, like, mean and they shouldn't work. And I'm like, some of those people really made Hollywood work. And I'm like, I. I'm not rooting. I. Hey, I'm not rooting for the. Any bad guys.

[A]

You want Harvey Weinstein.

[B]

I do not want Harvey Weinstein.

[A]

Harvey Weinstein release and working again at the Weinstein Company. You want him back at Miramax?

[B]

He should only be allowed to play Sandy. That's the only thing he should be allowed to say. So I now am on two podcasts being like, get mean producers back. A great stance to have here.

[A]

I think there needs to be less producers on projects because they eat up the budget.

[B]

That's also. I mean, there are so many people that it's the. We're just in a bad spot.

[A]

But I think Hollywood's gonna bounce back because I said what I said to Gabby Nussey.

[B]

Gavin Newsom, you should listen to Nicole.

[A]

I mean, you.

[B]

100%.

[A]

You have families of tradesmen. You have, like, people who are like, my mom is a costumer. My mom's mom is a costumer. I'm a costumer. We have a huge, like, warehouse full of stuff that I can utilize because my family's been doing it for years and now they can't do it because things shoot in Atlanta or in Canada or.

[B]

Can I.

[A]

Elsewhere.

[B]

Can I just say something?

[A]

What?

[B]

Governor Newsom, one of my first jobs out here was on your wife's movie the Trouble with Romance. I was a PA on the Trouble with Romance. It shot here in California.

[A]

His wife is an actress.

[B]

She was an actress. Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Holidays. Yes.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

We were ranting. I think it was. I think it's been a cathartic year end rant. I think we needed this.

[A]

Here's a question I have.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So you worked a summer as a garbage man.

[B]

I did.

[A]

Do you have any pictures of you on a garbage truck?

[B]

Ooh, this is before Smart.

[A]

I know this has nothing to do with dating. I'm so sorry.

[B]

I'll see if there's anything like that, but I was standing on the back of a garbage truck. It was a city. It was a city. It was like the city garbage truck.

[A]

Yes. So now if a young woman came up to you, ran up to you, so excited, and said, hey, do you. Can I take a picture of me hanging off the back?

[B]

Would you let me do it 1000%.

[A]

Okay. I really. I love garbage trucks.

[B]

I mean, if you did that now, I guarantee you, unless you got, like, the weird garbage truck guy, they'd be like, hell, yeah. I mean, they would be very excited to do it. I mean, I was also 20 years old, so I had no confidence. So, like, I mean, I would say yes no matter what, but, I mean, no women were into the fact that I was a garbage man either.

[A]

I would be. I love garbage men. I love that they keep the city running. I love that they're paid pretty well.

[B]

Yeah. I was a city garbage man, which. The two guys I worked with got paid better, but I got paid the summer rate, so it kind of sucked. Just for me specifically, I'm sorry. And I remember. You want to hear some garbage tales?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I wore shorts on my first day, and we picked up. We went to South. We did the beach in Southie in the L Street Beach, I think. And I just grabbed the trash bags. As I was walking back, I got scraped in my leg. And the guy was like, people shoot heroin and put the needles in the trash. You need to wear. You need to wear long pants. And I was like, oh, okay. Also, we, like, if there was a dead animal in this road, we'd have to shovel it up and put it in. So I'd Come home smelling like a skunk sometimes. And then the craziest thing of all is, is when you drop the garbage off, it's at like this big in Boston. There's like this big warehouse where they dump the trash. And they're like, do you want. And I was there. They're like, you want to get out and like unhook the truck? Because it was me and two other guys and I got out and it's like an. Bigger than the air. It's like an airplane hanger, I guess. And it's. And they're just. They're they're using a God as a garbage. You know, the. The. What is the thing that. The plow or whatever it is. They're using a plow to like, like push all this garbage up into a giant. There's just like a huge pile of garbage. And it's the most overwhelming garbage smell ever. And I got out to like undo the thing and like rats were running by my feet and cockroaches. It was like really crazy. It was the summertime too, but I was like, this is wild to see how this works every day. It was really crazy and kind of fascinating and cool in a way. I mean, gross too, of course. But like, it was cool to see it happen. It was. I was like very. I. I had to wake up. I had to be there at 5am and as like a 21 or 20 or 21 year old. That sucked. And I hated it.

[A]

As a 72 year old, I would hate it.

[B]

Yes, it's. It would be horrible. But. And then we were. The guys I worked with were like, great, we'll be done at like 2pm or 1:30 or something.

[A]

And you have a whole day.

[B]

And then you have a whole day. But I would like go home and fall asleep and then have drinks and then be like, gotta wake up, gotta.

[A]

Be there at 5am again. Okay, here's another question.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What is one of the worst dates you've been on?

[B]

Oh man. I mean, I remember I went to the restaurant Marvin and I had extreme diarrhea and was running to the bathroom constantly over and over and over again. And I also like the date. It was that sort of thing where I was like, I don't think that we like really click, but she still, she was like, let's hang out again. I was like, you really?

[A]

I. Did you tell her that you were having diarrhea?

[B]

I was like, my stomach is hurting and I would like run to the back. Like it was like, like, I'm not Even kidding like five times over the course of the dinner. And it was. And it was one of those bathrooms that was unisex and just a one person bathroom. And it was such a. It was so, so bad. But like, as far as like them, I mean, it's, you know, that sort of thing of like you go out on a date with someone, then you're like, oh, this person's kind of weird. And now I'm like, kind of stuck here for whatever. But like, hold that. I'm just. Just like whatever. Like I just like, when this is over, we just won't hang out again or whatever. But nothing like crazy beyond having to. Having.

[A]

To having a. Having a. I went on a date once where it was like, we went on a date Wednesday, Thursday. I was out with a friend and he walked right into the bar. Have I told this story? I'm not sure. It was years ago maybe. But he walks in and I was like, like, that's that I've been dating him and he is now with a woman. Wait a minute.

[B]

I just told you. I just told a story before this started about the same. And I'm realizing that's a pretty bad date too.

[A]

Yeah, tell that one.

[B]

When I went on a date with. I took her out to Dirt. I thought she was really cute. And then we went back to Birds Bar and there was a UCB improv friend there and she told him, let's go to your house and have. And fuck. And using those words exactly.

[A]

And could you hear it or did he tell you something?

[B]

No, he told me afterwards. He's like, she just asked me to go back to my place and have sex. And I was like, oh, I'm on a date with her right now.

[A]

Rude.

[B]

A little rude. But you know what she wanted what she wanted. And it wasn't. I wasn't part of the equation.

[A]

This guy came in with this other girl. They sat directly behind me and I was with a friend. And I was like, I can't. This is so wild. And I was like, do I leave? He's like, no. And I was like, okay. But then they ended up leaving. And then I texted him because we weren't like, official. And so it was like, yeah, it's just awkward. It. Don't worry about it. It's like, we haven't had that conversation. Don't feel weird. And he was like, oh, thank God. Okay. He's like, cause I still like to see you. And I was like, okay. And he was like, the craziest part is she listened to your podcast a lot. And she really wanted to say hello to you. And I kept having to be like, I think we just gotta respect her privacy.

[B]

All right, well, you know what? That's a good sign from him that he at least knew that that was.

[A]

Because that would have been. I would have been like, you have to. You can't. This is. No. No. Thank you. Okay, here's another question. Since it's ho, ho, ho. Why won't you marry me? Mary? Get it? Marry Mary. It's a double on Condi. What are you doing for Christmas? You're gonna be in Quincy.

[B]

I'm go back with my. And I'm gonna say Quincy. I'm gonna stay with my mom and sister. Maybe I'll get. Hey, maybe I'll get a date in. You know, I'll see what happens. I love. I feel like the holidays are such a good time to be in a relationship. I really love. I like the long sweatpants and snuggling on the couch.

[A]

Yeah, it is.

[B]

It's really nice. And then you're like, this is kind of. I'm also a little bit horny out of all this. It's a nice. It's a nice combination of.

[A]

And it's like a little chilly.

[B]

It's a little chilly. And it's also kind of a heartwarming horny. Like. Like, there's a lot of. Like, this is a sweet. It feels very familiar, like a. Like familial or something.

[A]

It is nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

During Christmas, I get Christma ribs.

[B]

Wait, what?

[A]

The nice man in my life, his sister makes me ribs.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's incredible.

[A]

I get Christmas ribs.

[B]

I love it. That's great.

[A]

And I said, do I get Christmas ribs this year? And she was like, you got it. And I was like, oh, sweet baby Jesus. I'm so excited. What? Okay, Mitch, before we end.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What are you looking for in a partner? What do you want?

[B]

This sounds. This is, like, embarrassing, but I am, like, for me, so often when I go on dates now, I'm like, please let this person like movies. You know what I mean? I feel like a person that I'm talking to now seems to really like movies. So I'm like, that's a great sign for me. I like to go out to. And I know that that's like a boring day. I like to do other stuff, too.

[A]

But, like, I don't think it's boring. I think. I think a great date is a movie and drinks or like a movie and dinner, because it's a Built in thing to talk about later.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

But then also you kind of get to see what like their vibe is.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. And, yeah. And people who are like, movies are boring to me, I'm like, that's. We're just. No, I want to do that at least once a week. And like, if that's boring to you, I feel like it won't work. And you know what? Make them here. Not in New Mexico. Gavin Newsom.

[A]

Make them here.

[B]

Gavin Newsom.

[A]

Our issues with you. Gavin Newsom, 100% also. Gavin Newsom's hot.

[B]

And he might be president possibly.

[A]

Is he.

[B]

I mean, I think he's. I think he's the. I feel like he's the leader for nominee.

[A]

I want Trump for a third term. I love Trump. I'm kidding.

[B]

Trump did loathe. I hate Donald Trump. To be clear, the only thing that I have ever seen where I was like, this is good specifically for me. He lowered the rate for GLP1s just recently.

[A]

Oh, did he?

[B]

The only thing ever where I was like, well, he's deporting people and ruining people's lives.

[A]

But he also said, we gotta help the fatties.

[B]

I think it's also probably out of a place where he doesn't like fat people and also is fat himself. Yes.

[A]

Yeah. It's a lot of self hatred. Maybe he has like the most insulting.

[B]

Thing someone said to me is that I was Donald Trump's the subject. Substance. Oh, wait. Or did they say Donald Trump was my. The substance? I think that's too mean.

[A]

That's not nice. Yeah, of course you're better looking than Donald.

[B]

Fucking true. That's what I wanted.

[A]

He's disgusting.

[B]

Yeah. And a true piece of shit on top of that.

[A]

Oh, but he did say something funny. He was like, I have a friend who's on Ozempic. It's not working. And that to me was very funny. He's so mean.

[B]

He's so mean. I think the thing about Trump is that you have to. To know that you have to like, be like, he's not. He does say things that are funny because he's like a weirdo evil man.

[A]

Yeah, he's.

[B]

And sometimes it's just like, that's so crazy that it is funny. But he's. I don't think he is like an intentionally funny man.

[A]

No, he's one of those people. There's people like that we know through improv where it's like, they are funny, but if you ask them to repeat it, they wouldn't be able to yes, 100%. Because they don't understand the mechanics of being funny. They're just charismatic. I feel like I just had a stroke. Charismatic. That was, Was so hard.

[B]

And they are just. You're right. They're crazy people a lot of the time. Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's. He's the same exact. He's the same exact thing. Yeah.

[A]

Well, we've covered everything.

[B]

We have. And you know what? That's a no. That would be no for me with dating. If someone is like, I was into Donald Trump, obviously. Yeah, of course. I mean, I guess I don't have to say that out loud.

[A]

Obviously. I don't want a MAGA person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They don't like me. And then when black people are MAGA and, like, you hate being black, you hate. You hate yourself.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Because the MAGA people, the first thing they're gonna do is go, well, I don't like you. The mega people don't like Black people anyway.

[B]

2026, I'm gonna, I'm, I'm, I, I, I'm gonna try again. I mean, like, I, I was trying before, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna see what happens. I feel, I feel good about. I feel good about some stuff going on, so we'll see what happens.

[A]

Yeah, you heard it here first. 2026, Mitch is getting back out there, and he's going to be fucking and he's going to be showing and growing. Would you date me?

[B]

Would I date you?

[A]

If.

[B]

Well, first of all, yes. If I didn't know you.

[A]

That's the best response I think anyone's ever given me. Yes. If I didn't know you.

[B]

I've always been very. I think, I mean, I think, you know this, that I've always been very in the comedy world. I've never.

[A]

Yeah, you've really never dipped your toes?

[B]

I didn't dip my toes almost ever.

[A]

Which I think is smart.

[B]

And also, I love you. I mean, you know, I love you.

[A]

I love you.

[B]

And then it's that sort of thing of, like, you would be sick of my shit faster than anyone in the world. I mean, like, you would just be. I think you would be yelling at me almost immediately, and I would deserve it. And I think that for that reason, we should never do it. But of course I would. I think you're attractive and funny and cool.

[A]

Thank you, man.

[B]

All of the above. That's the truth. Yes, I love getting compliments, but, yes, there has been people that I have in our world where I've been like, Like, I, I. This could be nice, but I o.

[A]

I want to know off mic.

[B]

You don't. You don't. It's just. You don't. Where you eat, as they say.

[A]

No, and I've. Where I've eaten a couple of times.

[B]

Yeah. I say more. I think you have. Yeah.

[A]

Where.

[B]

I'm not trying to out you.

[A]

Where you walk into the green room and you go, no, there's four people up in here that I.

[B]

It smells like incense matches in here.

[A]

Turns out that nice man's. Okay. That I. Shit.

[B]

Yes. It's also a very. I'm saying. That was a joke, but I know what you're saying.

[A]

I was calling it back.

[B]

He's. There's a lot of. There's a lot of. See, I do not have a lot of people in the comedy world that I. Yeah, I. Which I am. Which I'm. I. I am happy with my choice on that.

[A]

I am not happy with my choice to fuck who I have fucked. Because sometimes you look at them and you go, boy, oh, boy. Wait, this is a good question that I'm going to ask. Even though we've gone so over.

[B]

That's okay. I've had blast.

[A]

So you're a food critic.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

If a date makes you. This is a good question. If a date makes you a holiday meal and objectively bad, would you fake it for love or would you let them know?

[B]

I would fake it for. I think that the issue is, is that I would fake it and that they would see through it and that it would become a thing. Like, I'd be like, no, it was really good. I really liked it. And they'd be like, you're not pulling. Being sincere. You didn't really like it. I'm like, no, I did. I did. And then I would turn to a fight, and I'm like. And then at some point, I would do the stupid thing where I'm like, was it the best meal I ever had in my life? No, but, like, it was good. And then, like, they'd be like, so you didn't like it? And I'm like, what have I done? Why? Like, you know what I mean? But I would try to. If someone's making me something. The. The person who I dated who lived next door to me.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

My. My. My ex who lived next door where my.

[A]

Does she still live next door?

[B]

She does not live next door anymore. But literally, my. Literally, there's a. I have a sliding door, and that sliding door looked into her bedroom, and I went. I went over there. I know, it's insane. I went over there because I needed a ladder put in like her alley and between our house and I was like, do you have your landlord's thing? And that was directly the house beside me. And then it was a lady who I thought was cute. And we hung out and then we. We dated and it felt like very much like. Have you ever seen Magnolia?

[A]

No.

[B]

Oh, you would love it.

[A]

Is that Jim Cruise?

[B]

Tom Cruise is in it. Yes. Yeah, he is in it.

[A]

Penelope Cruise.

[B]

No, Penelope Cruise is not in it. That is Vanilla Sky. Maybe your thing goes right. It's Penelope Cruz is in Vanilla Sky.

[A]

I think so.

[B]

And it just reminds me of the John C. Reilly and whoever the actress's relationship there. It was a nice. I really liked that person. But.

[A]

But, you know, it just didn't work out.

[B]

It didn't work out. Yeah.

[A]

Well.

[B]

Mitch, have you. I have one last question for you.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Have you the idea, like, the idea of losing weight and getting in better shape, has that ever been like a turn on to you? Because I remember I was like talking to my neighbor. I was like, I'm losing weight and like, it's going to be really sexy the next time we have sex. And then we never had any sex after I lost weight or whatever.

[A]

It's gonna be really sexy after I lose it.

[B]

I mean, it's almost a very. It's like a stupid thing of me being like, this will change me in some sort of way. But have you ever, like, for you, as.

[A]

That's a good question.

[B]

And also as you, like, as you lose, as you've lost weight, how do you feel? Do you feel more confident? I mean, I think you've always been confident.

[A]

I've always been confident. And I always knew that if someone was like, fucking around with me or like was dating me, they liked what they saw.

[B]

Like, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So if I take my clothes off, it's not. Someone's not gonna suddenly be like, I didn't know you were fat.

[B]

Yes. You know, sure, sure. I'm saying that from my perspective, but.

[A]

I never, ever, ever, like, hooked up with somebody and I was like, once I lose weight, this is gonna be better. Because I was like, it is what it is. Like, yeah, yeah, it's fat. It's not fat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or it's like, now I got loose skin and you know, like, I don't know, sometimes things be smacking and making noise, but, like, like, that's nice that now I have sound effects. I don't. Yeah, I. I just. I don't know how it happened. I just never was self conscious about being fat. I was more self conscious about my boobs. I did hook up with this one person for a long time where I just like wouldn't take off my bra and it was just. Cause I didn't like my boobs. And then one day I was like, well, they're the boobs you got.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So long. Like, who fucking cares?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which way? Those nipples are pointing and they're cross eyed. I'm kidding.

[B]

I would have encouraged you if I was in that scenario to. Well, I mean, if you didn't want to, you know.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, it would have been nice if the person was like, encouraging. But also it was nice that they respected the.

[B]

You know, I'll say. I would say, get that thing off. And then I would have put it on myself.

[A]

Get that thing off. And then I would have put it on myself.

[B]

I would have put it on. Do girls like that? When men with big boobs, when they take off their bra and men with big boobs put theirs on?

[A]

That's the hottest thing I can think of here. Take that thing off and then they strap it on and they're like, do I look good? Yeah. That's all I would ever fucking want. Well, now we've gone for an hour and 20 minutes.

[B]

I had a blast. It's the Hollow.

[A]

I also had a nice time.

[B]

Ho, ho, ho. It seems like you didn't like it as much.

[A]

Don't do that.

[B]

Going back into Santa mode.

[A]

Santa. What do you want to promote?

[B]

Well, the Doughboys podcast and twisted metal seasons one and two on Peacock. You've been very nice this year, Nicole.

[A]

I thought you were going to say naughty.

[B]

No. Oh, unless, I mean, that's your thing, then that's.

[A]

No, no, no. I've been nice. I don't want Cole.

[B]

Well, I hope your stocking is stuffed. Well, goodbye.

[A]

No, sit there. I have to do the outro.

[B]

I can't walk away after I make a bad joke.

[A]

No, I hope my stocking is stuffed with dicks. Anywho, if you like this episode of why won't you date me with Santa and his little elf? You can like it, you can rate it, you can subscribe on Apple podcasts. Give me five stars, write a review. I want one. Look, because for my mental health, I don't need to know what y' all think, but I think for the algorithm, that's good. I don't know. But if you write me something nasty, hitting on me to why won't you date me podcastmail.com. mars will read it and she'll give it to me on a piece of paper. And it looks like I ate the paper, but I spit my gum out in it. Okay, this person writes, nicole, you're back working at Lane Bryant for the holiday rush. That's a mean dream. I don't ever want to work at Blaine Bryant again. They keep offering me free clothes and I keep saying, no, I didn't like the company when I worked for it, and now I don't want your free clothes because you're a bad company that paid me $7 and 50 cents in New York City.

[B]

That's insane.

[A]

I got 500. Every two weeks, I'll take you to a fitting room and make love to you like Christmas markdowns just hit. I'll have you. Ho, ho, ho. And with every thrust, you're. Every thrust, your co workers will just think it's the mall Santa. You'll love my plus size cock and I'll cream. And I'll cream on your pussy like a freshly made Cinnabon. Oh, my God, Alex, that was nasty. And delicious, by the way.

[B]

I had just seen a clip of you telling the toilet story just recently, and I just want to say that Santa and Santa Gabrius were both trying to.

[A]

You guys were. You were so nice. You were like, we'll tell him. We'll tell him that we broke it.

[B]

Also, a roll of the die. Either one of us easily could have broken that toilet. It was not a safe toilet. I just had to pee that entire time. And I had to stand up when.

[A]

I tell you I was. Because I think we had just done the power hour.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Pretty loopy. And was having a nice time sitting on that toilet. I was like. I was truly swinging my legs. But Mars was so quick to be like, here's the picture. It was actually wild that you had it at already.

[B]

Anyway, I would always. I. I would always do that for you, and I hope you would do it. I mean, you shouldn't do it for me.

[A]

All right, well, I. I would volunteer to say I. I was fatter and I broke it once. Me and Jacob Wysocki were on a countertop, and I don't know why, we were, like, banging down on it. But then we heard like a crack. And then we're like, oh, no. And it was like, yeah, of course there was a crack. Two fatties were bouncing on it.

[B]

That's. I sorry. I'm back for birthday boys. I remember they got. We were doing a military sketch and they Were like, we got this like this old military cot and it's like an actual thing and I got it in it and it was like. I went down. I was like, of course. This thing that they were like, be careful with it. And it broke.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, when I see old things made of fabric, I'm like, I'm not.

[B]

Sitting on that 100%.

[A]

I'm not doing that. Playgrounds, you gotta be very, very, very gentle. When you sit down on a swing, you might pull that chain right out.

[B]

Can I tell you a non scale victory as they call them?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Nsv, right? Yeah. Non scale victory. I can ride a horse again.

[A]

I have a joke.

[B]

Cause over £300 you can't ride a horse. They're like, you'll kill the horse. You can't ride the horse. And so now I'm like, I remember I went to Denver with my mom and sister, we went to Colorado Springs and my mom and sister were like, we're doing horseback riding. And they were like, oh great, you can't do it. The horse will kill itself or whatever.

[A]

It will kill itself. You want to know who else has a weight limit? Camels. In Mexico, we went camel riding and this was the meanest thing that this company could have done. So everyone got a blue wristband. And then the lady goes, you get a blue and white one. And I said, thank you. And she didn't tell me why. And then we got to the camel and the guy goes, oh yeah, you're too fat to ride. And that's what he said. Those are his words exactly. You're too fat to ride. You can sit over there and hold everyone's stuff. And I was like, oh, wait, what?

[B]

I'm sorry to say this, but that fucking asshole who says you get a blue and white one when it's a fucking setting you up so you can't ride the camel.

[A]

Yes. I wish he had said, hey, just so you know, you can't ride the camel. We're gonna give you a different band.

[B]

Yes. We're giving you a fat scarlet let. So you can't fucking ride the camel. That's insane. We're afraid you're gonna push the camel's hump down. That's fucking bullshit. It's insane. It makes me so mad. What's wrong with this world?

[A]

Just the imagery of me trying to get onto a camel and then his little hump goes down and they're like shoots out his body, his eyeballs shoot out and it's like, well, that's it. Bye, bye. Oh, ho, ho, ho.

[B]

Marry? Why won't you marry me?

[A]

With Nicole Byer.

[B]

With Nicole Byer.

[A]

Bye, elf.

[B]

Nicole. All right, that was a Hitgum podcast.

[A]

Hi, I'm Nicole Byer. Hi, I'm Sasheer Zamada. And this is the podcast Best Friends, and we're here at Headgum. So this is just a podcast where we just talk? Yeah, we're best friends. Yeah, we talk, and then we have a segment where we answer questions and queries so audience members can ask questions about friendships, and we can answer them to the best of our abilities. Yes, we are professional friends. We are professional friends. Subscribe to Best Friends on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pocket Cast, or wherever you get your podcast. And watch videos on YouTube. New episodes drop every Wednesday. That's the middle of a work week. I was deeply unhelpful to you during that whole thing. You are. I'm really sorry. The support. I was so okay. I was trying to be supportive.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was like, I don't know. Reading seems pretty hard right now. It's a lot, I think. You did good. Thank you so much. You're welcome.