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B
I would love a dick pic. If you would like to send me a dick pic in my DMs, I will definitely be open and willing to that. Okay. Please don't beg for it.
A
Oh, I'm. Well, you make it sound like, oh, if you happen.
B
It's been a long time.
A
If you happen to take a picture, you want to send it my way, you can.
B
Well, you know, that makes. That makes sense.
A
Listen, only send nice dick pics. No hole pics. Holes are too much. Unless you want a hole.
B
Oh, no, no, no. I prefer hole pigs. Oh, okay, okay, let's be clear. Nudes, period, are wonderful, okay? But I am an ass girl, okay? I'm an asshole kind of girl.
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Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Why won't you date me? Please tell. Oh baby. Welcome to another episode of why Won't yout Date Me? A podcast where me, Nicole Byer, was trying to figure out why I was so single. Even though you could come in an ice cube tray and tell me that's a marble, I'm running out of them.
B
Yeah.
A
My guest today is a drag queen who charmed the world on RuPaul's Drag Race Season 14 and went on to win All Star Season 9. And one of my favorite and truly turns. Such stunning looks like the one she's wearing today. It's Angeria Paris Van Michaels.
B
Hello. My God. You know, I was wondering what it was gonna be today, like what you were gonna say, like. Because each one just starts off with you saying something about coming.
A
Uh huh.
B
And I'm. You could come in and I'm like, I wonder what it Is today.
A
It's my favorite thing.
B
If you didn't do one, I would have felt really, really like, no, I.
A
Was trying to think of a good one, and then it wasn't very good. It wasn't good at all.
B
Okay.
A
You do it for.
B
You gotta workshop things. You could have just used one of the old ones on me. I just would have been like, hey, I wonder.
A
I probably have repeated.
B
I'm sure at some point, right? At some point. I'm sure.
A
Do you know Mars? Yeah, I think there's something about, like, a thumb pins coming in a thumbtack or something like that. Or maybe it's a thimble. Thimble. I use that a lot. Coming in a thimble.
B
Yeah, I heard that one. Yeah, I heard that one. No, and it was one you did. It was one where you said something about a button, something about coming in a button or something like that. And I was like, this is ridiculous. This is crazy. But, no, I do want to tell you this. So me and my best friend, we literally fell in love with you the moment that you were on Drag Race and you said you were talking about Kahmora hall, and she was like. You were critiquing her, and you, like, saying that she was looking lost, like she was in the aisle of a grocery store. And it's just like, shopping and trying to figure out what she wants. So we always go, oh, SpaghettiOs.
A
I would never.
B
And we always like, oh, my. Like, we say that all the time. Like, we'll be like, SpaghettiOs.
A
I would never. Angeria. That's so funny.
B
I'm telling you.
A
Yeah, well, have you ever had a SpaghettiO? I have.
B
It's been a long time. It's fucking nasty. Oh, terrible.
A
It, like, hits you in the back of your throat. So. It's really true.
B
Spaghetti is a long time.
A
I would never.
B
Yeah, yeah, I think I can agree with you.
A
Angeria, can I ask you a question?
B
Yes, you can ask me anything.
A
Okay. Are you single? Are you dating? Do you not want to say? Are you married? Tell me.
B
I am single.
A
Okay.
B
Yeah, I'm single.
A
Okay. What are you looking for?
B
And that's a good question, because I am looking. I feel like I'm finally looking. You know how you, like, get to a point where you're like, okay, I think I can do it now. So. Okay, so that was me. Like, I haven't had a boyfriend in, like, six years.
A
Okay. It's been a minute. Yeah, but you've been busy.
B
Yeah. And so before, like, maybe. So it's been four years since Drag Race. So two years before I got on, that was me trying to date still, and then entertaining one situation, and it just didn't work out. And then after that, that's when I got on Drag Race. And then after that, everything just went, you know, like, my whole world just kind of went, woo, truly. And then I was like, topsy Turtle. Well, and see, I've never been the busy one in a relationship. Like, I've never. Like, I've always been the clingy one. And I'm always with someone who's way busier than me. And then I get all in my feelings. Cause I'm like, you know, you're too busy for me. Like, blah, blah. I want all of your time and this and that. And then I got on Drag Race, and then my life became busy. And now every time I try to talk to people, I find it hard.
A
To, like, balance the life of, like, touring and, like, having a person.
B
So now I kind of just dope.
A
But do people slide into your DMs? Do you get a lot of dick pics?
B
I don't. I have gotten some. Are you looking for.
A
Are you looking for some?
B
I would love. Oh, I would love.
A
Look at that camera.
B
I would love a dick pic. If you would like to send me a dick pic in my DMs, I will definitely be open and willing to that. Okay. Please don't beg for it. Oh, I'm.
A
Well, just make it sound alike.
B
I'm sorry.
A
Oh, if you happen.
B
It's been a long time.
A
If you happen to take a picture, you want to send it my way, you can.
B
Well, you know, that makes sense. Cause saying it like that, that make it seem like everybody. Like, I'm just desperate. Like, everybody need to see a D.
A
Oh, I'm just hungry for it.
B
And then this airs.
A
And then you'll get things that you don't want. You'll be like, oh, my God. I never wanted that in my whole life. Oh, my God.
B
Damn it, Nicole. Why did you do that?
A
Listen, only send nice dick pics. No hole pics. Holes are too much. Unless you want a hole.
B
Oh, no, no, no. I prefer whole pics.
A
Oh, okay.
B
Okay, let's be clear. The idea, nudes, period, are wonderful. But I am an ass girl. Okay? I'm an asshole kind of girl.
A
Put it on a bumper sticker. I'm an asshole kind of girl. That is so funny. I had a man, he emailed me. My email's not hard to figure out. Please don't try to figure it out. But he emailed me. Not a dick pic, but he emailed me pictures of himself and the sandwich he was eating. And I was like, huh. Well, that's an interesting way to try to get my attention because I did read all the emails.
B
Well, what kind of sandwich was it, though?
A
It was a tough sandwich. Oh, I wish I could remember his name. It was. It was. It was a lot. And at one point. Okay, hold on. Let me see if I can find it. It's going to be easy. He just sent it. Okay. I won't say his name, but that's a picture of the sandwich.
B
Oh, okay.
A
And I think he did tell me what was in it. Let's see. Okay. He did tell me. He said that was a sandwich. Okay. So, okay. Some silly pictures of me and. Yeah, that was a sandwich I made. I don't know if you like food, but I used to be a cook. Whatever. It's a Aunt Millie's sub bun buttered in garlic. Yes. I'm coining the phrase garlic. Three andouille sausage strips, air fried with black forest air fried caramelized ham, three slices of provolone cheese slathered with Cajun mayonnaise. Do I put lettuce and tomato on it? Definitely needs it. It's very rich. Anyway, I made this buttered Dijon butter melted butter with Dijon mustard. And then you drizzled on every bite. So this man is sick. He said, I want diabetes today, not tomorrow.
B
It was a full description? Yes. Like, you know when you, like, look at stuff on the menu at a fancy restauran and it's like this really long paragraph of a description, I feel like that's what you just gave. Well, that's what he gave you, and you didn't even ask for it.
A
I didn't ask for it one time.
B
You didn't even ask for the sandwiches. You got a full description.
A
And he also said something very funny. So his messages were not welcomed. I didn't love them. Except for at one point, he said, oh, my God, I'm really scrolling. Okay? He said, I'm so pissed right now. They left you out of the Girls like you Maroon 5 video. That's total BS. Uh, they ain't gonna do my baby like that.
B
Oh, my God. You must get a lot of wild.
A
I mean, that's the wildest. A man who's mad that I'm not in a video that was made years ago.
B
Oh, my God.
A
Oh, do you get wild DMs?
B
I see most of my DMs are like. Thankfully, most of my DMs are like, I love you.
A
Yes.
B
Like, you make my day. You inspire me. Those things. So I'm like, okay, great. Like, that's beautiful. I think the, like, the wildest DMs for me are always just kind of like the hate ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think those are like the wildest. And then the occasional, you know, like we said the occasional nude. There was one now there was one message I really, really liked. I will not forget this. Because, you know when people send you things on Instagram and it's fully, like, you can send it as like, in.
A
In where it like, goes away secret.
B
Yeah, yeah. It's like you have to, you know, you'll just look at it once and then you can.
A
And it goes away forever.
B
So it's like, I'll open the DM and it'll just be sitting there. No. No words, no message. And I go. I don't know why my mind does this, but I always go, is this a nude? I really hope it's a nude. It could be anything. Sometimes I've opened them and it's just people with like my shirt on going.
A
Like, like, look at me.
B
Yeah. But I'm always like, if it's a really hot guy, I'm like, what could this be? And this particular time, it was indeed a nude, and it was a hoe. And I was just like, exactly what you want. Yeah. And I lived. Like, I lived. I was like, oh, my God. And then me and him, like, ended up exchanging numbers and stuff. It never went anywhere, but, you know, it's always good for the time being.
A
The thought is what counts.
B
Yes. Like, we ended up exchanging and stuff.
A
And that's nice.
B
And that's nice for the moment, you know, I'm like, if we're never gonna meet. And that's cool. Cause most of the people that you meet on like, apps and stuff, you never gonna meet em anyway. So I'm always good with a good, casual nude exchange session.
A
I like it.
B
Like, if that's what we do and we talk and I'm like, you know what? I never have to see you. I saw you naked and it was wonderful. And that was enough for me. That was enough.
A
You know what? Sometimes that does just have to be enough, you know, you have to be like, okay, I saw a little something something, and now I'm going to go about my business, go about my day. So since being on Drag Race, has dating changed for you? You said that you were the person in the relationship who is like, I want to be with you. You are busier than me. But, like, have more people been asking you out? Have you like, been dating at all?
B
So, okay, so I haven't dated, like at all since. Since, like getting on Drag Race. The last time I dated was like, maybe six months before it all happened. And like, I said that just didn't.
A
It just didn't work out.
B
That just didn't work out.
A
Okay.
B
And so afterwards I wasn't focused on it at all. I didn't even, you know, like, it just wasn't something that was on my brain. And until now.
A
Now your head is in the game.
B
Because you know when it all happens, all you think about is work. Like, I never saw drag becoming my full time occupation. And then when it did, I'm like, okay, great. I'm doing my thing. I'm tour. I am like, if this is where the work is, well, this is what I'm doing. I'm throwing myself into it. This is all I'm focused on. This is all I'm doing. I'm riding the waves and that's all I wanted to do. And, you know, get a little on the side every now and then. But I'm like, as far as the relationship, I don't want it, I don't need it.
A
I can't.
B
It's okay.
A
Just gotta focus.
B
It's okay. And I just didn't feel as focused. Like, after all the stuff got busy, I just didn't feel focused. So then I stopped worrying about it and I didn't care anymore. I was like, it's okay, I'm not gonna look for it. Cause I don't think I need honestly.
A
Think that's a good place to be to be. Like, I'm just not gonna worry about it. I'm gonna focus on myself. I'm gonna get this coin, I'm gonna get the bag and like, worry about it later. So you didn't think drag could be a full time job for you? Even be like, as you were auditioning for the show, you weren't like, that's the end goal.
B
Well, if I got on the show. Yes, if I got on the show. Because when I auditioned, I actually did it. Think that I would get on the.
A
You auditioned once.
B
I auditioned once. So I really wasn't thinking that, like, it took a lot for me to even audition. So when I did, I just put the tape in and went on about my life. I was like ubering and stuff. I just put the tape in And I went back to my everyday thing. And then not until you do Drag Race do I feel like that's when we go, oh, shit, this is real. This is real. And drag had always just been a hobby for me that I did all the time. And I always told myself I didn't want it to become a job because I was afraid of that. I was like, I don't think I want to do it all the time. I don't want it to become repetitive because I don't do well with nine to fives. And anytime something becomes repetitive, I'm telling you, I'm like, nope. Like, I get tired of it. And I was so excited about drag. It was my happy place. I was like, I don't want this to become and boring and jaded, and I don't wanna wake up ever and go, I don't feel like doing this. Like, I don't feel like going into work today. I never wanted that to be drag. So I never, like, full time occupation, that was never full time occupation. And drag, that was never, like, in the same sentence for me until Drag Race. And then I went, okay, now see, this we can do though. This we can do.
A
This we can do.
B
This we can do.
A
This is good.
B
I'm not doing this, you know, I'm not going into one, you know, one place every single day. It's a very sporadic kind of thing. Like, I'm never doing the same thing. So. Yeah. Cause that's just me as a person, like, all the way around. I'm not.
A
I feel the same way.
B
I'm not a routine kind of girl.
A
I don't like the routine at all. That's why I like podcasting. Cause it's like, sure, maybe I come in the same time, you know, three times a week or whatever, but I get to talk to so many different types of people that I'm just like, no day is the same. And it's so nice. And then what got you into drag? Did you see Drag Race? And you were like, I want to try this. Or were you just, like, in the club?
B
So I had been watching it, but I had a friend who did drag, and it was the only person I knew. Like, the only drag queen friend that I had. And I said, I want you to put me in drag for my birthday. And that's all I want. I didn't want to go anywhere. I just wanted her to do my makeup. And then I'd take some pictures, wash it off. I just always wanted to know what I would look like. And she did it for me. And. Excuse me. Best, best birthday gift in the world. Like, I was like, yes. Oh, my God. And then maybe a couple of months later, I was like, okay, so now I want to do a show. Let's do a show. And I did a show. It was terrible. I'm telling you. I looked like Boo Boo the Fool. It was crazy. I mean, I looked foolish. I had on. I was doing One Night Only by Beyonce. It was really, you know, from Dream Girls. It was.
A
This sounds like a real treat.
B
It was a real treat at the time. I felt like Beyonce.
A
You were feeling yourself.
B
I did not look like Beyonce. I did not.
A
Well, in a red wig. Beyonce doesn't do red.
B
No, not red Reddy.
A
Oh, ratty.
B
Ratty wig. Yeah, it was. It was. It was terrible.
A
You didn't brush it out.
B
Yeah, well, I didn't know. I didn't know anything about doing all of that at that time. So. Yeah, it's just. Yeah, afterwards, I did look crazy. But the one thing I pulled from it was that it was just fun. It was just fun to do. And I was like, I want to do it again. And I kept doing it, and I got so serious about it within the span of a year that I just have been doing it ever since.
A
I genuinely fucking love that. You were like, I like being in drag. I want to put on a show. So then you put on a show and, like, in hindsight, you were like, it was a ratty wig. I didn't look like Beyonce. But you did it. And then you kept doing it. I feel like a lot of people are like, I wish I could do X, Y and Z. And it's like, you can.
B
Yeah.
A
You just have to fucking do it.
B
You literally just have to do it.
A
That's it.
B
Like, because my entire, like, first year of doing drag, it was just me. Just like, I would get off work at, like, one o' clock in the morning, and I would wake up all of my roommates and then I would. Cause they were drag queens, too. I would wake up all my roommates and then I would make them do makeup with me. And we would do makeup and take pictures and lip sync in the living room until, like, 7:00' clock in the morning. And it was the best time of my life. Like, I will met. Like, we were in college and it was. It was just. Yeah, like, that. Those were some of the best times in my life. Like, Angeria's Baby. Like, drag time. Yeah.
A
It's like you had your very own, like, drag boot camp that you were running.
B
I did, yeah.
A
Get up.
B
We're doing makeup. Come on. Like, we're doing sticking in the living room. We're not doing anything. Like you're sleeping.
A
Get up.
B
Yeah, get up now. Come on. Like, holding a whole, like, makeup brush to here, here.
A
Put it on. Put on the blush. Put it on.
B
Put it on foundation now.
A
I love that. Andrea, real quick, we have to take a break. Today's segment is brought to you by Bumble, the go to dating app for finding love on this show. You know, I'm always talking about how important banter is if someone can't match my silly, it's not gonna work out. And that's what I love about BU Their prompts are perfect for showing off your personality. You could put something funny, weird, or just totally you in there and see who responds. If they can keep up and make you laugh, that's when you know you're gonna click. And Bumble makes it so much easier to figure that out because you can actually see people's shared interests right on their profile. So instead of guessing, you already know if you share your similar love for dogs, reality tv or podcasts. Plus, Bumble's safety feature means you can feel good about who you're talking to. New users go through ID verification, so age and identity are confirmed with real documentation. So you can just relax a little knowing that the person you're messaging is who they say they are. Dating should feel exciting and fun, not stressful. And that's why Bumble is such a great place to start. You don't have to just take my word for it. Try it for yourself and see why so many guests on this podcast have found real, lasting connections on Bumblebee. So are you ready to meet someone? Great. Start your love story on Bumble. Be okay. So you haven't been dating. Oh, do you. Do you remember, like, the best date you've ever been on?
B
Yes, I do. It was with my ex boyfriend. Well, one of my ex boyfriends. It was just like, he. He came to visit me. Like, I was living in Valosta, Georgia, at the time, and he came, like, to visit me. And this was. Oh, I should mention, this was my first boyfriend.
A
Okay.
B
This is my very first boyfriend. And this is the only reason why it's significant. Like, the only reason, because I was so excited about it, and I'm like, oh, my God, I've never done this. Only been dating guys for a little short time, and he drove, like, three, four hours to come see me. We were supposed to, like, go to the movies. But he got there super late, so we didn't go to the movies, and instead he. We just went out to eat. And then he came back to my house, and we stayed in the bed and we watched robots and just laughed. And it was just really, really special to me because this was the first, like, time anybody had, like, took me out. And, you know, like, it was just, like, invited me into a whole new, like, world of stuff. So I was just like, yeah, yeah. Like, this I love.
A
Oh, my God. Am I gonna cry? No. I just think that's so cute that you were, like, one of the most romantic dates. Was someone, like, spending the time to drive to see me and then just, like, spending time with me, taking me out, cuddling me in a bed, watching things with me. That does sound really nice and romantic. Ugh, I love it.
B
Like, I said, he. And it was at a point where he got there late, and I didn't even care because I spent the whole day, like, just so excited and having late. I was just like, what time is it? Hey, where are you? You on the way? Like, I'm like, yeah, the whole day.
A
I love you.
B
Yeah. His first boyfriend. First, you know, time ever. Like, dating a guy, like, period. So it was just.
A
Yeah, I'm like that a little bit. The nice man who spends time with me, he came over yesterday, and he came over, and I was like, hey, I picked some strawberries that I. That I grew, and I made a watermelon. And I was like, oh, my God. I feel like I'm like a little kid. And he's like, that's okay. You're just excited to, like, show me stuff. And I was like, yeah, I'm excited to show you stuff because you, like, care. And you're like, ooh, show me another picture. And I'm like, I have another.
B
And, like, my love language is fully, like, it's worth affirmation, and it's quality time. Like, I need time. Like, that's what I told you. I'm used to being clingy. I am used to being that person that wants to be around you. Like, I need to be. I need to be reassured at all times. It's not gonna be words. I need it to be, like, full affection. I need. And see, I'm words. That's why I said I'm words. And quality time. Because one needs to balance out the other. You know what I mean? Like, if you can't. Like, if you're not. Some people aren't. You know, Some people just aren't that, you know, I'm gonna tell you I love you type of people, which is fine. But you gotta pick one.
A
You have to pick one. It is easy. Time spent. Or you tell me you love me every single day.
B
If you're not an affectionate person from this, then how about we do it from this? Like, how we. Like, we need something, and if I can't get either one, then we just can't be together. Cause I need. I need something. I'm a person that needs to be reassured by something. You not just gonna be a nonchalant lover with me.
A
I. Okay, I fucking love that. I saw a video on, like, Instagram that was like, why are we being nonchalant? Why are we acting like we don't care about the other person? Why don't we tell people how we feel? And that really, like, stuck with me. I saw it, like, maybe a year ago or whatever, and I was like, yeah, why am I trying so hard to be cool with these people? I'm not cool. I'm not a cool person. I'm rather intense. I'm a little weird. And I like what I like. And I love words of affirmation. I love hearing, hey, I like spending time with you, or I had a good time with you.
B
Yes.
A
That matters so fucking much to me.
B
Yeah. If we go on a date and you didn't.
A
Oh, you just meant the words.
B
I was like, you lit up. I'm sorry. Yes.
A
Yes. That is so wild that I was like, okay, where are we going?
B
It's gonna paint the whole day for us.
A
Okay, so you're going on a date.
B
Well, I was gonna say we're. So if we're going. If. If we're. Okay. So I will use you.
A
Okay.
B
We're going on a date. Yes. And we're going to a really nice restaurant. Yes. You know, preferably somewhere where we can get like, some. Some steak or lamb chops or, you know, something like that.
A
Oh, it's gonna be expensive.
B
Going to be expensive. And it's fine because I don't, you know, I don't mind paying. But also, if we have this date afterwards, we. Because we're going to have a phenomenal time. Me and you.
A
Yes.
B
Because, you know, you're amazing. I'm amazing. You're funny. I'm funny. We've spent the whole date laughing and eating and. Yeah, it's been wonderful. And then after the date, I'm probably gonna be the one to text you and say, wow, that was so amazing. I had a great time. Like, that was wonderful. And the way you respond to me is gonna tell me everything I need to know, and it's gonna determine if we do anything else.
A
I love that is me. One test.
B
That is me. I'm like. Because now it feels great when I get it on the other end. If you text first. Oh, even better. I'm like, oh. Cause I'm. Cause I'm gonna text right back, and I'm gonna go, wow, I had a great time too. Like, can't wait to do it again. Like, that's gonna be me. But if I text you that and then you send me, like, an emoji, which is, like, my least favorite thing in the world, like, you just, like, ooh. Even worse. You just react to what I said, but you don't say anything back. Or it grinds my gears.
A
Like, I'm like, it's because there's no thought. There was no effort behind it.
B
Oh, no.
A
You just did a little tap back, and that's fucking it.
B
That's it.
A
That's it.
B
That's it. That's it. And then I have created a whole, like, scenario in my head. Oh, he hated it. He hated it. He didn't have a good time. It was awful. It was terrible. Wow. And here I am thinking it was just the best date in the world, but not that that has to be the case, but maybe they're just a little more laid back and nonchalant about it. And that's what I don't like.
A
But you are truly onto something. I'm not a nonchalant person. And when I was dating, I would just be like, oh, I hope they text me. And if they texted me, I would then try to mold myself to how they. Like, if they were like, oh, I had a nice time, I'd be like, oh, I had a nice time too. And I wouldn't be like, do you want to go out again? Did you like being with me? Like, I would just be, like, waiting. And the nice man in my life was very upfront with, like, oh, I'd like to go out again. And I was like, yes, yes, I would like that. And then I told him that I wasn't chill at all pretty quickly, and he was like, oh, I know.
B
Yeah, because. Cause some people. Because in my mind, someone has to be. Someone has to, like, be the initiator. Like, somebody has to be that person, like, if there's gonna be one. And even though sometimes I would love if the other person was, like, being that majority of the time, I'm the One that's kind of throwing myself out there and. Because, you know, I feel like. Sometimes I feel like if. If I'm genuinely interested in getting to know someone or talking to someone, then I need to. I need to be the one that's, you know, like, oh, if you want something, go out and get it. So sometimes I tell myself, I'm like, like, okay. Some days I just go, I'm good being single. I'm all right. Other days I'm like, maybe we should redownload Tinder. Maybe we. You know. Other days I'm like, maybe I should text this person. Maybe I should. You know, sometimes I'm like, if you want it, which, genuinely, deep down, I do want it. I do. But it's just that a lot of times I'll feel like I'm being the initiator and put myself out there, and when I do it, I want to get it back. Like, I want to really. Like, yeah, at least give me something to work with. That's all, like, that's all I ever want is just give me something to work with, and I can. And then I can, you know, I can put the work in, but I need to know. And that's why I'm like, it's hard, though. It's hard.
A
It is hard. And I do wish I had heard that when I was dating around, because I would be the initiator, and I would, like, chase people who definitely didn't want to be chased. And I wish. I wish in hindsight that, like, when I put myself out there to be like, I like you. I'd like to go out again. And then that person was lukewarm. I wish I had the confidence to go, you don't seem into me, so best of luck. As opposed to just chasing somebody down who doesn't want it, who's not gonna match me with, like, you know, excitement and, like, validation and telling me that they want to be with me, I would chase these men who, like, objectively did not like me. I was like, but I'll make them like me. I'll win them over. And it's like, you don't want to win over your partner. You want someone who wants you.
B
But then. But then, well, at least this is how I feel. Like, it goes a lot, especially with, like, gay men and dating. I feel like you won't like that person, and then someone will really, really like you. And then. And it's just not the same. Like, there's, like a. I feel like there's, like, a constant, like, cat and mouse. And everybody's chasing. Like, everybody's the cat. I feel like everybody's the cat. I do.
A
And they're like. When it comes to, like, game dating.
B
I feel like everybody is, like, the cat. Everybody wants to, like, chase something, and that thing does not want them. But the moment that someone's trying to, like, chase them, they're like, no, thanks.
A
I don't want it.
B
And I'm just like, okay. At this point, I just really want something mutual. I want someone that I feel really, really, really into, and then I know that they're really into me. Like, I can feel it. Like, I know I can, like, reassure myself on it. Like, I can be like, I know. I can tell that this person likes me the way that I like them. And I haven't had that in a long time. It's either I feel like I'm lacking, or I feel like they are. It's always just one of the.
A
You feel like you're lacking, but you're so fabulous and confident and wonderful.
B
Well, see, I didn't say that. Oh, I know that.
A
You'Re like. Well, there's no question about that.
B
But when I say lack it, I mean, like, maybe in this situation, I don't feel as connected.
A
Oh, okay.
B
Like, maybe I don't feel as connected. And then there's. And then there's times when it's like the other way around. So I just want to really meet someone where I feel like it's a full connection. Like, and it's something I have felt before, but just not in, like. Like I said before Drag Race, I had at least maybe, like, five, like, relationships, which is all I've ever had my whole life. It's just five relationships.
A
I haven't had very many.
B
So. Yeah, and it's. And I haven't had a relationship last over a year. Like, my longest relationship is, like, 10 months, so that's a good run. And it was. And it felt like a lot. It felt like a lot. We lived together and everything. We did a lot in those 10 months, I'm telling you.
A
Like, how long did you date before moving in?
B
Well, we dated, like, two or three. Two or three months.
A
Oh, okay.
B
Two or three months.
A
That's pretty quick.
B
No, I tried to avoid it. And he knows it even to this day. To this day, he know I love him, like, as a person, but he knows to this day that back then I tried to avoid that in my life because I'm the type of person that believes moving together is a big step, because in My mind, I'm, like, moving together could blow up the entire deal. Okay. Like, not that I wouldn't want to, but I wouldn't want to in, like, two months, we're still getting to know each other. Yeah.
A
You don't know that person.
B
I don't even really know that you.
A
Don'T straighten her in your house.
B
And you will be forced to get to know me fast. And I don't have to be forced to really get to know you a little faster than I might want to. I do want to get to know you. I may not want to get to know all of you. Yeah. I want to still get to know you outside of your living space real quick. Because we're comfortable when we're at home. I'm comfortable. I am a mess. I am. I am a mess.
A
I used to be.
B
Despite how nervous I can be, I am messy. Oh. Oh, Nicole. I am. I am. Oh. I am unorganized. Really, I am. I believe in organized chaos. Like, it's okay if everything is messy as long as I know where it is. Like, I'm that kind of person.
A
I'm sorry.
B
I've not been the neatest person. Like, I'm telling you, even growing up, I was always getting yelled at, like, by my mama. Clean your room. Like, I am. I am that.
A
Do you have, like, a drag room?
B
I do have a drag room.
A
Is that organized?
B
It is organized now, and I'm so proud of it. I am. I am so. I am so proud of it. Yeah. And you can go look at it, too.
A
Ooh.
B
Because I did out of the Closet, and it came out.
A
What's out of the Closet?
B
It's the. Out of the Closet is the show on YouTube where the drag race queens.
A
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
B
Show their drag rooms. So my episode is, like, the most recent air when you should. And it's. And I'm proud of it because.
A
Because the rest of the apartment is chaos. And this. This is organized.
B
It's so much to like. And I did it all by myself. Like, I did have a friend, like, kind of help me, but for the most part, I did a lot of the decoration in and then just doing it, like, one day, because it was a tornado before, because I'm that kind of person. And then one day I was like, I really want to organize it. I want it to look really pretty. And then I did. And then I was like, yes. So I'm not the most. You know, I'm not the neatest person. I can be a little messy, a little junkie and, yeah, like, it's not that I'm trying. Not trying to hide any of that, but I want to get to know someone just for, you know, here first. Like, I don't. I. You know, I did used to do the thing where, you know, I would completely, you know, make sure I cleaned up every time and all that kind of stuff. But now, the older I get, I'm like, no, no, no. Let's go out. Let's go on dates. Let's go do stuff and get to know each other like that. Then when we're ready to experience home life, then we can.
A
I think that's smart.
B
Then I can bring in my space and then not just bring you in my space for, like, a day. I can bring you in my space for, like, maybe a few days. You could stay with me. And I'm not gonna be.
A
I mean, and you're not, like, on your best.
B
It will be clean when you get there, because that's just me. It will be clean when you get there, and I will screw up my fingers to the bone to make sure. But once you are there, you will see how it looks, to see that the way it looks on Monday is not the way it's gonna look on Thursday. And that's okay.
A
And that's okay.
B
That's okay. And now, you know. And now you. And, you know, because we've gotten to know each other and we've talked, dated for a little minute or, you know, now maybe you'll be a little more accepting to that side of me, and you won't just be like, you know.
A
So, you know, I feel like you have a very healthy approach as to how you want your next relationship to be. I love that. Okay, so what are you looking for in a partner?
B
Okay, I am. That's a good question. That's a good. That's a good question.
A
Thank you.
B
It's been a minute since I, like, actually thought about it, I think. Cause my mind hasn't, like, truly, like, been there, but I think, like, I just told you, I. I think my biggest thing is just wanting someone who is gonna not mind showing me, like, the affection and stuff. Like, I've learned a lot. I've learned a lot over the years, like, you know, dating and not dating. And now I'm like, if I ever get into a relationship, I'm not settling on these things that I. That I let slide back when I was dating. I am like, baby, we're over 30 now. I'm like, there are just some things that I want you know, so my biggest thing is I need intent, and I need. And I need affection and all those kind of things. Like, I need reassurance. I need someone who's not gonna mind giving it to me. Like. And it's. And it's not hard. I just want someone who doesn't mind spending time with me and making time for me and. And just showing me, you know, how they feel. Because I will do the same. I like intentions. Like, I like when people state what they want. Cause I'm gonna state what I want. Like, if we've been talking and dating for a minute and I feel like I could see myself dating you, I'm gonna say it, because I just. I've learned that I think that's just better to. That way we don't have to waste our time.
A
And you're not dancing around being.
B
Yeah, we're not dancing around and being like, oh, yeah. And then you don't get the right, you know, to come later and say, well, I was confused.
A
I didn't mean to lead you on.
B
I didn't mean to lead you on. Yeah. And I'm like, no, no, you don't have to worry about leading me on, because I'm gonna let you know now what I want out of this. And then if it's not what you want, then here is open space and opportunity for you to say, I don't want that. And that is. Then we're like, okay, great. So then if I want to stay and chill and entertain this with you, I will do it in the world.
A
Because you have a choice. I think a lot of times we date and we don't allow others to make a choice. We're just like, oh, yeah, I'm doing boyfriend things, and we're sleeping over every night. And I'm saying, I love you. Then it's like, oh, so are you my partner? And it's like, no. What? No, we're just casually dating. And it's like, what? Why didn't you tell me? Why are you telling me, like, serious things? And when I said I wanted to continue dating, why wouldn't you say, oh, I just want a casual thing so then I can make the choice to go, yes. Oh, I don't want a casual thing. I want a real thing. I gotta go.
B
I love that you just said boyfriend things. Because, like, my last situation years ago, that was my issue, and he was the one that. That ultimately taught me I gotta start stating my intentions. So we'd lay in the bed and I'd go, hey, I wanna be with you. Like, I, Like, I know this. And I'm just. And I am literally just telling you this because I just want you to know that I know that I wanna be with you. This isn't to rush anything. Like, I'm not trying to rush nothing. I don't care. We are gonna keep doing what we're doing. But I want you to know that we've been spending like a lot of time and doing a lot of things. And he would be doing a lot of boyfriend things and that. And that's why. And it would irritate me when he would come back and say. Well, he'd come back and say, oh, we're not, you know, we're just. I'm like, what are we? And he'll go, we're just coasting is the word he used. We're coasting, we're chilling, we're. And I'm like, okay, okay, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. But this is my problem. You're doing a lot of boyfriend things right now. You know, your best friend just had a birthday party last week. We went. You introduced me to every single person, your best friend. They're all having conversation with me, loving me, all this. You're bringing me around as if I'm like your boyfriend. Like, I felt very, you know, I'm getting to know these people. I've gotten to know all your friends. Now I'm creating bonds with these people. You know what I'm saying? And I'm like. And I'm like, this is kind of what I mean. Like, don't do boyfriend things unless you want.
A
That's not what you want me to be.
B
Because now that you're doing those boyfriend things, inviting me over your parents house, all this.
A
You met parents and you weren't like an official. That's wild to me.
B
Okay, wait, I didn't meet. I didn't meet the parents. I went over to the parents house. They were not there at the moment.
A
The spirit of that moment.
B
That's true. I met the little. I met little sister. I met either way. I met brothers. I met family members. So I'm like, okay, so here's my thing. Oh, and kids. Yeah, yeah, kids. So, so, so I've. I've met the kids too. Kids knew who I was. So I was like, okay, so this is the thing at this point, the more time we spend together, the more I'm gonna feel, you know, I'm gonna feel these feelings. They're gonna like, keep growing. You're doing boyfriend things. We're spending boyfriend time. They're going to. You know, my feelings for you are going to grow, and they have been. And so I'm letting you know now that that's kind of where my mind is. But before it goes any further, I want to go ahead and, like, let you know so that, you know, I need to know before I continue. And then that's when he said that we were chilling, you know, that we're. That we're coasting and that we're, you know. And then that's when I was like, okay, okay, great. Okay. All right. So we're coasting, but still in a way. Still in a way, like, making me feel like we're good, though. Like, we're. I do want to, like, be with you or whatever, but, like, we're coasted.
A
That was like. I was in a situationship for a very long time where I was like, you're my boyfriend. And he was like, no. And I was like, but we're doing. You're doing a lot of. You're, like, half moved into my house. Like, what are. What are we doing? And he just would never be clear. And I guess him not being clear was. It should have been clear to me to be like, oh, if you're not being clear, then I have to get out of this. But instead, I was like, maybe he'll want to be my boyfriend one of these days. And then it ended, and it was like, what was I doing? Hindsight's 20 20. I feel crazy.
B
Yeah. And that's me, like, when I look on it, but I'm like. It's just, you know, to think about looking back at those situations, you go, but I've grown.
A
I've grown. I've grown. I've grown.
B
I have. Like, I look at those situations and I go, it's okay.
A
It's fine. I'm the bigger person.
B
And, yes, I'm the bigger person. It's okay. And thank you to you, because I am there.
A
You wouldn't have learned without going through all that. Okay, Angeria, are you on the apps at all?
B
Yes.
A
And how does that. Does it work out for you? Like, because when I was on the apps, they would. I kept getting reported for catfishing, and I was like, I'm just trying to get fucked. I just want someone to love me. Also, if I was gonna catfish, I would pick a better person. I'd be Halle Berry. But have you been accused of catfishing at all?
B
You know, that's how it is, though, because we're, you know, public figures. And when you, like, it's so funny because they will literally message you and go, angeria, is this really you? And then thing about me, though, is you won't have to worry about me proving to you if I'm catfish or not. Because I don't really like to be. Not that I don't want to be recognized. I don't care if, you know, I don't really like it to be brought up.
A
Yes.
B
Yeah, I don't really like for it to be brought up. Like, I'm not saying that if you just message me, you know, just because this is a social app still, and saying, hey, Angeria, I love you, you know, whatever that I want, like, respond and say, oh, thank you. But if we're, like, talking to get to know each other or hook up or something, and you bring it up and you bring up drag or, you know, like, I'm over here. Like, are you a top or bottom? And you're like, oh, my God, my mom loves you. We loved your season. And I'm like, oh, my God. Like, and that's. And it's happened. It's happened.
A
Are you on top or bottom? My mom loves you.
B
Yeah, I've literally had. I've. I've literally had guys, like, in midst of conversation talking about, like, sex or something. Like, use my catchphrase. And, like. Yeah. And it's the weirdest thing. I was, like, talking to this guy in Australia, and he goes, so we're talking to them, and he's like, yeah. So the whole time we're talking, he's being, like, kind of weird, but kind of, like, not. So I'm like, okay, it's mine. Hi. So how long are you here? Blah, blah, blah. What do you get into all this conversation? Okay, great. So I'm kind of, like, nervous to, like, meet you is what he says. And then I'm like, oh, bye. And then, of course, you know, obviously, I noticed, like, he knows who I am. Okay, great. That's wonderful. And we're still talking, though, about, like, possibly hooking up. And he's cute, so I'm interested. And then he goes, yeah, I don't want you to meet me and think I'm an ugly bitch. And I was like, that's tough there. It is.
A
It's tough.
B
And then. Then I have to turn into Casper. Then I have to turn into Casper, the friendly ghost. The friendly ghost.
A
Well, yeah.
B
Yeah. Like, I.
A
Because it's weird because you're like, I don't know if you want to go out with me just to, like, ask me questions about drag race or ask me about other queens or ask how you can get into drag or whatever?
B
Yeah.
A
Because I feel like if somebody wants to genuinely get to know you and likes your personality from, like, either what they see on a profile or what they saw on television, I feel like you. There's just a nicer way to do it.
B
I'm gonna tell you the secret with me. Huh? Wait, wait.
A
Wait until when?
B
Okay, so if we're. If the goal is hooking up.
A
Yes. If the goal is hooking up, wait until after.
B
Yes, yes.
A
Wait, so after you come, he rolls over and he's like, you ugly bitch.
B
You ugly bitch. And then especially if it was good, you know. You know, I'll lean into it. You know, I'll. Why not? Like, we. Because at that point.
A
At that point, it doesn't matter. It already happened.
B
It doesn't matter. It already happened. And that's. And that's, like, just my preferred, like, experience with it. I know it's gonna happen. I'm not saying it's not like I don't care. Like, this has been my life for the past four years. I know people are gonna know who I am. I just think it's more, like, respect the situation. And that's not even just for me. Like, that's for you, too, and, like, the other person. Because one of the best sexual experiences I ever had was this guy, once again, from Australia, and he. Literally, one of my favorite experiences, because he comes over, and then we. And then we have sex. And the whole time, I'm thinking, he does not know. He hasn't said a word. He. I mean, he just. Nothing. I am fully in the house with. I'm in an Airbnb because we were on tour with the top five from my cast, and he meets all of them, doesn't say anything, acts as if he just doesn't know any of us. And then we go in the room, we do our thing. And then as I'm escorting him out later on that. Later on that night, he goes, something, something. Something about, like, Bosco and, like, calls her by name or what? Like, drag name or whatever. Like, well, I mean, at the time. And so he goes, oh, yeah, something about Willow. And then I'm like, willow. Okay, don't worry about it. It's all right. Next day, we're talking, and then I ask him, I go, do you know?
A
Mm.
B
And then he goes, of course I know. I'm like, so you do know? And Then he's like, yes, but I didn't want to. I didn't want to ruin the moment. It was a sense of awareness. A sense of awareness. We love a sense of awareness. I love what they say, read the room. Read the room. I'm a read the room kind of person. Like, read the room, Mary. And he. And he read the room. Like, he was like. And I was like. I had not told him straight up. I was like, I love that. Like, I am so. I love that. To the point to where I will be so much more attracted to you because you did that. And I literally. He. He got me there. I was like, so, what are you doing tonight? You wanna stay over again?
A
Did you see him again?
B
I'm like. And I did. Yeah. He came over again.
A
I love it.
B
And I'm not. And most of the time, I might not be a repeat kind of girl. Like I said, I don't like repetition. So I was like. But when he said that, he was like. And then this is what really got me. He goes, well, I was trying to get some, too, so I didn't want to ruin. I didn't want to ruin my chances either. And I was like, I want to move to Australia.
A
That's a man on a mission.
B
Yeah. Like, but that is just. I just think it's, like, little courteous of the moment, like, you know, I just think it's just courteous just to. Cause it's a time and a place for everything. And I just think in the moment we're talking about. Especially if we're talking about hooking up. Let's just talk about hooking up.
A
Because he got what he want. He got to meet the other girl. You did. He got to fuck the person he wanted to fuck. Yeah.
B
And then afterwards, I was like, we were great. You know, we started talking about Drag Race. Yeah, we can do that now. Like, we.
A
Because now you feel comfortable and you don't feel like there's an ulterior motive or you're just being, like, used.
B
Yes. Like, it didn't turn me off at all. I was like, wow. I just love. Yeah, I just love when it happens like that. That's my favorite kind of experience. Like I said, I expect at this point for people to know. I just like it better when it's.
A
Like that, I think. Yeah, it's like a nice, respectful thing. It's like, you wouldn't do that with a different job. You know what I mean? No, you wouldn't, you wouldn't, you wouldn't. Oh, you're a lawyer. I heard you're a lawyer. I saw it on LinkedIn. Bring it up.
B
Oh, I know you work at McDonald's, and we're in the middle of states, and you're like. Like, no, you're not going to do that. Like, you're not going to be.
A
You're not going to just be like. Just like, riding on someone, being like, I'm loving it. Yeah, you wouldn't do that. That's. That's unhinged. That's so wild.
B
Yeah.
A
Angeria, do you have any advice for single people?
B
Advice for single people? Hmm. Have fun being single, because being single is great. Okay. And there is nothing like getting to know yourself. Okay. There is nothing like, just. Cause I feel like I used to be very. I didn't want to be single, like, before Drag Race and all that. And I feel like I got business of my own. I was scared of it. I was like, I just really like being in a relationship. I have learned so much about myself, like, being single. I'm at where I don't feel like I have to. You don't have to be with someone. Like, you can be happy, like, with you, but I just feel like if being with someone is what you want, which is still something I want, don't be afraid to, like, put yourself out there to do it. Like, just go for it. Like, I've been trying to tell myself to do that with everything else. I always use Drag Race. I'm like, will it work with Drag Race? Maybe it'll work for dating. Like, I said, I wanted to be on tv. I went after it, it worked. I want to be in a relationship. Maybe that will work too.
A
So I think it's gonna work manifesty. I feel like you've manifested a lot of things in your life, and I'm really manifesting for you or hoping that you get what you manifest, and that's like, somebody who matches you and really loves you.
B
Yeah. And, like, when I want it, I want it, I do. Now I deserve it. Things aren't as crazy as they were. So it. You know, that's the thing. It's all crazy at first, and then it slows down and calms down a little bit, and you have more of a hang of it. So then I feel like now I can have someone with me when I travel and when I go places and tour and do stuff like that's, you know. Yeah. So it's a. It's a dream. It will happen. I won't rush it. It will happen.
A
It will Happen. I also think that's good advice. It will happen.
B
It will happen.
A
It'll happen.
B
Okay. Manifest. Yes.
A
Andrea. I ask all my guests this. Would you date me?
B
I would date you. I would. In an alternate universe, I would date you. I would. In this universe, no, no, not so much. No, not so much. But in an alternate universe, you would be my perfect choice.
A
Angeria, thank you. Thank you so much for doing this. This was really fun and wonderful and I adore you. I think you're wonderful. Do you have anything that you want to promote?
B
Yes. Okay, so few things. I do have a brand new YouTube show. It's called Angie's Drag Corner where I talk about everything drag and drag race related. And I also have a brand new one woman show which is called Angie's Big Break. I have done one show. It was absolutely fabulous. And I will be bringing more to you. So yeah. So watch out for that.
A
I love it. And if you like this episode of why Won't yout Date me? You can like it, you can rate it, you can subscribe, you can give me five stars on Apple podcasts. And if you write me something to why won't you date me? You date me podcast gmail.com hitting on me. Something nasty and filthy. I'll read it. Also, I will have. I please just keep them a little shorter. This one is long. Greetings, Madame Buyer. I simply cannot do anything sexual to you on account of being a gay. However, I would follow you into the same target and say, wow, I didn't know they had fenty beauty here. And you'd be like, I know, that's so weird. Rihanna has stooped so low. And then I'd lightly chloroform you. You would wake up lightly tied in a safe room where I explained to you that I'm immortal from being an immortal being from the Sirius star system. And I've been tasked with finding the perfect bisexual, a white gay. You're a black woman. I believe with our powers combined, we could find him. We go on a month long, this is long, a month long search to find this man. And it ends up where it all began. Pueblo, Colorado. He's married with seven kids. This is all over the place. He has seven kids, doesn't have a moral compass. And we seduce him at a local dive bar by losing at pool and laughing and grabbing that cute little butt. Eventually, we go to a local motel 6, which I paid for. I'm an immortal, immortal being and had time to accumulate at least a little bit of wealth under capitalism. And throw them on. Oh my God. We strip everything off and begin raw dogging this man with you on his face and. Okay, here we get to the good stuff. Stuff. With you on his face and me riding his surprisingly above average dick and pendulous balls. I begin to feel him throb inside me before I realize that you've come from riding his face at least three times. I know he is the one. He shoots inside me and all of a sudden you're alone in the hotel. 6. He and I have vanished into a flash of light. As my protocol activated, you notice a pile of gold coins and a note that simply states, dear Nicole, despite not being the one to eat you out for 73 minutes straight, I will always treasure the time we had together with love and adoration. Regal beagle. Then you shed a single tear and think on yourself. That's too much gold. How do you turn gold into money? And you smoke a single cigarette on my planet. I'm. I'm ex. I'm executed. Because the guy I brought wasn't Alan Cumming. I will say thank you for this submission. This was long and this was all over the place. That's my only criticism. The nasty stuff was nice and nasty, but you gotta get to it a little quicker. Raw doggin first line. Okay, goodbye. Oh, you've been listening to why won't you date me with me, Nicole Byer. This show is produced and edited by Mars with executive producer Anya Kanofskaya. It's engineered by Casey Donahue with guest research by Lindsay Kempf. Our VP of content at headgam is Katie Moo. And our thief music is arranged by Mike Comate. Ah, thanks for listening. We'll be back next week with a brand new episode. See you then. Okay, bye bye. That was a hitgam podcast. Today's segment is brought to you by Bumble, the Go to dating app for finding love. If you're looking for someone who can actually match your silly bumble is the place to find them. Prompts and shared interests make it so much easier to see someone's vibe before you even chat. Thinking about dating again? Take this as your sign. Start your love story on Bumblebee.
Episode Title: Send Me Your Hole Pics
Guest: Angeria Paris VanMichaels
Release Date: October 10, 2025
Nicole Byer welcomes drag superstar Angeria Paris VanMichaels (winner of RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars 9) for a high-energy conversation about dating as busy, public-facing women, the complexity of love languages and relationship expectations, wild DMs, and how Drag Race fame has changed Angeria’s approach to love. The episode is brimming with humor, candid insights about modern queer dating, and plenty of NSFW laughs.
On Dating Needs and Initiation:
"My love language is fully, like, it’s words of affirmation, and it’s quality time... I need to be reassured at all times. It’s not gonna be words; I need it to be, like, full affection."
— Angeria, (23:49)
"Don’t do boyfriend things unless you want that’s not what you want me to be."
— Angeria, (43:57)
On DMs and Fame:
"If we’re talking about hooking up… Let’s just talk about hooking up."
— Angeria, (54:33)
"Are you a top or bottom? My mom loves you."
— Nicole, (48:34)
On Self-Discovery and Manifestation:
"Have fun being single, because being single is great… there is nothing like getting to know yourself."
— Angeria, (55:50)
"I said, I wanted to be on TV, I went after it, it worked. I want to be in a relationship, maybe that will work too."
— Angeria, (57:06)
The episode is quintessential Nicole Byer: fast, raunchy, heartfelt, and full of warm banter. Angeria Paris VanMichaels matches Nicole’s energy with humor and honesty about queer love, fame, and self-growth. Listeners leave with both laughs and genuinely practical advice about communicating with intention, honoring your needs, and embracing the unpredictable journey of loving — both yourself and others.
For fans and new listeners alike, this episode is a rollicking, NSFW, truth-telling exploration of single queer life in the spotlight — with enough quotables and wisdom to stick with you long after the laughs.