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I am great. It's good to be here with you, Kavith.
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Great to see you as always. Let's start with some of the big news over the weekend. President Trump has had kind of an on again, off again relationship when it comes to Iran and pursuing diplomatic avenues. He had threatened to strike them hard going into the weekend after those surprise strikes in Jordan. Now he's kind of backing off. What is going on?
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What's the latest?
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Yeah, so the president backed off from launching maybe one of the biggest attacks or as he said, the biggest attacks since World War II, really threatening massive damage against Iran and against their energy infrastructure. But he backed off, saying that the Gulf allies had requested that he not do this and to give more time for negotiations and diplomacy. So that's the situation we're at right now. Now, Iran, of course, they deny everything that happens. So they're saying that they're denying that they held direct negotiations with D.C. or with the president on Monday. They're also saying that their efforts are strictly tied to maritime relations in the Strait of Hormuz. So a lot of back and forth on that point. And the president put out a truth social post earlier today just slamming Iran for, quote, duplicitous leadership and the way that they are negotiating with him and his administration. He was really angry and he said they're, quote, unbelievably duplicitous for denying that negotiations are taking place when the president says they actually are taking place. So a lot of stress on that point. And I should add that the president said in the Oval Office this afternoon that he's giving Iran, quote, every last chance before decapitation. So threatening them Once again. And that comes on the heels of news that Iran executed two, I believe, two individuals that they believe are Israeli spies. So just so much going on on this front. Kabbat, obviously, developments happening, it feels like every hour, but that's kind of been the last six months. Right. So we're a little used to it by now.
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It's interesting when you hear President Trump make these threats. We have heard these statements kind of repeatedly. We've seen this cycle where there's some sort of peace agreement in place. Iran breaks their word, we see the United States attack the Iranians, the Iranians try and attack back. President Trump threatens enormous ramifications, and then ultimately backs off and says, actually we're going back to diplomacy, but if diplomacy doesn't work, I'm going to hit them harder than ever before. What is the mood? What are you hearing from folks in the White House about this constant cycle that we've seen? Because, look, just as an impartial observer here, it does seem quite repetitive at this point.
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Yeah, I mean, it seems repetitive, it feels repetitive. At the end of the day, it is repetitive. But the mood at the White House is hopeful that these negotiations will, in fact, bear fruit, that the Trump administration won't have to, as the President so eloquently puts it, decapitate Iran. But again, a lot of this depends on Iran's ability to actually negotiate with the US to come to a reasonable conclusion. And that really just remains to be seen.
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Yeah. All right, let's get to Europe, where there was just terrifying footage coming out. Tens of thousands of African migrants flooding into the small Spanish city of Ceuda. That might not be the right pronunciation. I know that you and I sometimes struggle on pronunciations. I won't make you give your pronunciation. But President Trump spoke extensively to the press today in the Oval Office. What do they have to say about this migrant invasion in Spain?
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Yeah, so obviously, this migrant invasion has captured everyone's attention, not only because it bore striking similarities to what we saw at our own border under President Joe Biden, but because many of the individuals who were crossing into the Spanish territory were military age men. And if you look at the footage cab it, I was struck by the fact that many of these migrants, they're well built, they look tough, they look like if I were living in this town, in this Spanish territory, I would be very, very, very frightened to imagine this many men entering my town in this way. Now, I do know a large number of them have actually already been sent back across the border. And I saw some really cool footage from journalist Nick Shirley, who is in the area, who was showing a number of these guys who were trying to tell him, no, we're not robbers. We're here because we wanted to live here. But be that as it may, these images are quite disturbing. And the President said last week, and he said again today, that they're going to be a midterm talking point. And he kind of hinted at it at first, and then he really leaned into it and said, this is going to come up during the midterms because this is what our country would look like if Joe Biden was still president. And frankly, Kabat, he is not wrong. When we look at these images that we saw at the border under President Joe Biden's administration, I went down there myself and saw it firsthand. It was a very troubling time. And so the President is saying that he will be making use of this as a talking point. It's very interesting, too, because it harkens back to 2024, when the biggest issues in the news were immigration and transgenderism. Well, we're kind of back full circle because the news cycle now is all Sophie Cunningham and the WNBA and all this drama with men and women's sports and this invasion in Spanish territory. So a full circle moment there of some talking points that the President already knows how to use very well.
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Yeah, we know President Trump is going to be quick to remind folks that this is not all that different from what it looked like at our southern border before I was reelected. Let's stick in D.C. where President Trump today also weighed in on the Reflecting Pool saga. His US Attorney in dc, Jeanine Pyro, also known as Judge Jeanine, is someone who has been a a Trump ally for years, but now he's not happy with her over this Reflecting Pool fiasco. What is going on here? Just give us the whole story.
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Yeah. So this is a classic Trumpian and agency drama where the President saw what was happening and he was angry that the Reflecting Pool had been vandalized. He called for action right away. He wanted people prosecuted. They specifically narrowed in on a former Olympian and David Hearn and three other defendants. And so the DOJ went after them, I believe, at the president's bidding. But unfortunately, they did not have enough of a case. And so Jeanine Pirro's office dropped the criminal charges against this guy, the Olympian, on the three other defendants. And she concluded the court filings against them related to this Lincoln Memorial reflecting Poole incident. So that kind of leaves the President a little high and Dry on this one where he was saying, this is a slam dunk. This is. You know, these people were vandalizing our reflecting pool, as were many others. And so he was furious about it. And today in the Oval Office, when he was asked about it, he was asked by a number of reporters. He did kind of sass at msnow reporter who was questioning him about it and said, you should never speak ever again. Which is kind of a funny moment. But the president said that Pirro, she choked. And that's the president's words. And that she, quote, folded like an umbrella under pressure from that judge. So, Cabot, I hear my 14 year old brother saying people choked. I don't know if I've heard the president use the phrase too often. And he is quite unhappy with her. Now CNN is reporting that he wants to replace her. I have not confirmed that news myself. And I know there's many people who are actually very happy with the role that she has been or with the job that she has been doing in this role. But if the president is unhappy and if he's angry at how things went, then that is definitely a strike against her. And she's probably sweating a little bit right now, especially as she hears her name mentioned on live television in such an aggressive way.
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Yeah, I said earlier, Judge Jeanine Pirro, I gotta get it right. Judge JEANINE Pyro. I think it's just a subliminal thing for me. As a kid at times I was a pyromaniac wanting to light everything on fire. So I just. Any excuse to say the word pyro. But yeah, I would not wanna be her position right now drawing the ire of President Trump on a topic that is kind of a pet project of his that he is clearly very focused on. And he was looking for some convictions there. It doesn't look like he's gonna get them. Mary Margaret, always great to have you on. We appreciate you hustling all over D.C. for us.
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Thanks for having me.
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That was Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. All right, guys, we are now just 92 days from midterm elections. I need to get a countdown clock here on the set because I'm gonna keep reminding you. Let us now see what the polling is saying about which party has the edge. And for that we bring on my personal favorite pollster in America, it's Brent Buchanan, founder of Signal Polling. Brent, great to have you back, sir.
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Hey, good to be here. That's a tough act to follow, by the way.
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Oh, you can do it. We've talked enough. I'm confident in your ability to. To follow any act. Let's jump in. Let's start on the House side. So publicly, the GOP saying, we're confident we're gonna hold the House. This redistricting battle is gonna add 12 to 14 safe Republican seats. It's gonna give us a boost behind closed doors. I've spoken with more than a few Republicans who are, we'll say, less confident. I'm sure you've had similar conversations, but what are the numbers showing on that front when it comes to the House? Yeah.
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What's unique about the battle for the House this year compared to even the last presidential election and the prior midterms, is that this redistricting battle has really taken competitive seats off the map for both sides. And looking at a national generic ballot, which is normally what you would look at, you survey all likely voters across the country. You determine how many are likely to vote for the Democrat or the Republican without actually naming them. And that the delta between those two response options gives you an idea of the political environment. And right now, ours shows the Democrats have a lead by six points ahead of Republicans on the national generic ballot. The problem is there are way fewer competitive seats. And when you go look at the polling within those competitive seats, it actually looks better than the national environment would tell you that it is right now. And that's because of this redistricting battle. It wasn't just Republicans who picked up seats. It's Democrats who took seats off the map that used to be competitive. And so we're kind of in this new era where there's no proxy to go back and look at and say, if X happens, then why will be the result anymore? And so I kind of fall in between those two columns of very confident Republican that we're going to be able to hold the House and those who are less confident, because when you look at the individual district data, it's not as bad as the national environment shows,
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which is just stunning, because if you look at the fundamentals, and as we've often been reminded on this show, the historical president, when it comes to campaigning is not always applicable for what is happening in the present. And I think that's very important to remember that this House race could be much closer, as you're saying, than folks are predicting. Let's jump over to the Senate. Democrats are gonna need to hold all of their existing seats and pick up at least four more to take the majority. Which states in particular look to give the Democrats the best shot of taking the majority.
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Well, it really, I don't see the path for them unless the environment degrades drastically. And I'll tell you the reason for this, that I think there's a better chance Democrats could barely win the House than barely win the Senate. And it's because of the fundamentals. Let's talk about Texas. That is a race where if you look at the numbers right now, you're like, okay, well Democrats can win this thing. But nobody started advertising and everybody kind of already knows about the Republican candidate and very few people know about the Democratic candidate. And he is a wacko when they call him Talafrico instead of Talarico. He's a weird dude and he said a lot of weird things. You don't even have to say stuff about him. You just have to pay. Play clips of what he said about himself during COVID when he was in the state legislature. So while that looks like a loss right now, I think that's a slight win for Republicans. So no pickup there. Let's go over to North Carolina. You've got a wildly popular former Democratic governor as the nominee running against our guy who's the former RNC chair. And that's a tougher race to gauge right now because everybody knows who the former governor is and nobody knows who the former RNC chair our nominee was. And North Carolina is always one of those like plus one states, plus one this way, plus one that way. So it looks right now like a complete blowout. But I wouldn't put it off the map. And I think that's why you're starting to see Republicans begin to advertise now to define the governor, the Democratic nominee. I would say at the end of the day that's probably a loss on our side. So that's a negative one for us in the Senate. You know, Susan Collins is going to hold on in Maine. She do not bet against Susan Collins, especially when her opponent has two children with his second cousin. Then Republicans, let's go to Michigan, actually have an opportunity to pick this seat up. Michigan, always a battleground state. Usually not great for us in midterms. However, they have a Democratic primary tomorrow where outside forces have spent I've seen numbers north of $100 million trying to support the moderate Democrat. And yet the progressive self avowed socialist Abdul Said is likely going to be the guy who wins. And if that's the case, Mike Rogers, who was our nominee two years ago, very likely wins that. So when you begin to look at these other opportunities, it's like okay, well, we're likely going to hold Iowa, Democrats likely hold Georgia. They win North Carolina, we win Michigan, and everything else stays the same. And we're actually in the exact same spot that we are today after this midterm.
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You talk about the big primary tomorrow night in Michigan. And I think most party leaders on the left are praying that Haley Stevens, the more establishment Democrat, beats out Abdul El Sayed. But this brings us to the broader conversation about some of these more radical and socialist candidates. How much bleed over do you think there's going to be where even if one of these socialist candidates is not on the ballot in states like North Carolina, like Georgia, how much bleed over is there where the Democratic brand is hurt by socialism? And how is socialism polling right now with the American people more broadly?
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It should terrify all of us how well socialism is polling among the American electorate. And I'll be honest, I get why there are people, especially on the left, that are flirting with socialism. There are a lot of things that don't work for a broad swath of people in this country right now and they feel very left behind and they feel hopeless. However, this is really a function of the left currently. And even if somebody like let's go back to North Carolina Senate race Governor Roy Cooper, nobody's going to say that he is a socialist. He might have made some bad decisions or did govern poorly over the hurricane and other issues that you can beat him up on. But anytime the other side is playing defense, you're winning. So making them explain why they're not socialist and how they're not going to be like these other people in their own party who are also on the ticket for the same types of races is a great place for us to be as a Republican Party. And think back to what you and I were talking about on election night in 2024. Nobody thought that we were going to close out the presidential race with taxpayer funded sex change surgeries for prisoners like that was on nobody's bingo card. And it's also not a national crisis. However, it is a proxy for which party is more radical. And the Democrats are just handing to Republicans that we're more radical card. Are we going to play it and are we going to put all the Democrats on the defensive of this is who your party is becoming and has become. And I think that's going to be a huge, a huge, huge issue in the elections because at the end of the day, no voter thinks anybody could actually solve any problems, but they want the least ridiculous people in office to attempt to solve the problems. And that's why even if we have a bad national political environment, the Democrats just suck so much that they're handing it to us to be able to still hold on when the numbers say we shouldn't be able to hold on.
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Yeah, I for one will continue inviting them to walk down that path because it does seem to be helping the Republicans. One final question. This is something you talked about a bit on X. This was with regard to Latino voters and Latino men in particular seemingly moving over to the Republican Party over the last month or two, which seems to defy conventional wisdom given some of the ideas that we've had about how Latino voters are responding to this mass deportation agenda. Walk us through those numbers that you guys found.
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Yeah, well, there's never one issue that wins an election. There's never one reason that a voter shows up to the polls. Rare that they're like, I care so much about issue A that I'm going to vote for against a candidate because of this only single issue. So I don't think immigration is an issue in general where people are like, because Donald Trump is mean on immigration, I'm not going to vote for a Republican. That being said, when you look at where opportunities are within the non white electorate, in 24 it was with men. In 26 it's going to be with men. And they appreciate law and order. They appreciate that we have rules and we're enforcing those rules. And for the people who broke the rules, they have to face the consequences. When we saw in our June to July national data that Republican men shifted more towards Republicans and that happened right as immigration became an issue. Again, it is not necessarily correlative, but you can look at it and say it didn't hurt. These opportunities still exist within male non white populations and they appreciate somebody who is going to go out there and enforce our laws. All this hullabaloo about immigration is hurting Republicans. We just have not seen that among Hispanics in our data over the last two years. Not even just the last couple months.
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Brent, I always appreciate having you on because you make me feel smarter about these elections. And I know that I will find myself over the next few days repeating some of the data points that you have brought up to my friends, to my coworkers, to my family. I'm sure folks in our audience will do the same. Do you officially give permission to our audience and to me to just repeat word for word what you have said and what you say when it comes to these elections and just claiming as
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our own oh, 100%. I actually got to meet John Maxwell this weekend, and he has a great saying, which is when I use your information, once I'll say it came from you. The second time I'll say a person once said, and then the third time I said, so that's the rule that you have to follow.
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Great. I'll give you credit. The first time. Can't guarantee that you'll still be getting it by the end of the week. Brent, always great to have you on, man. Really appreciate you breaking down these numbers for us. Everyone go check out Signal Polling. They have great monthly reports kind of gauging what's going on nationally. Always great to talk to you, Brent.
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Yeah, thanks. And it's C Y G N A L if you're looking it up.
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Absolutely. Signal Polling. Brent Buchanan, thanks again. All right, guys, this weekend, as we touched on with Mary Margaret, an estimated 50 to 60,000 African migrants flooded the shores of southern Spain, wreaking havoc on locals and overwhelming law enforcement. Have a look. Just staggering stuff. Joining us with more is Trisha McLaughlin, former Assistant DHS Secretary. Tricia, thanks for coming on. Great to see you.
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Kabba, it's great to see you. Thank you for having me.
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Of course. We saw these videos flooding social media. I actually, I'm gonna be honest, the first time I saw one of these videos, I actually thought it was AI because the images are so jarring. What do you think when you see an invasion like this? There's no other word for it?
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Well, I'm exactly with you. I thought this was AI at first, but then you look back to just three years ago, Cabot, and these could have been identical images to what was happening at our U.S. southern border. And I think as voters, as Republicans, as people who are staunch on the border, largely, we're not talking about the US Southern border anymore because it has been secured, because people are not flowing through it. Traffickers, cartel members, human trafficking, drug trafficking are no longer happening, at least at the scale that it was. So I think it's so important, especially with these midterms coming up. Of course, we have a lot of Republicans who have not been thrilled with different things going on with the administration and might want to take it to the polls. But I, I encourage those who are concerned about some of the policies going on, take a step back and think about where we were three years ago. If Donald J. Trump hadn't won on November 5, 2024, we would be seeing those images happening at our own southern border. So it really is a stark reminder.
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Yeah, I remember actually you and I talking in maybe 2023, when the border crisis was at its peak. And I remember us going over these exact same images as you said, which were taking place. There were times where there were 10,000 plus Haitian migrants camped under bridges in southern Texas. And this was something that we were seeing. And to that point, President Trump campaigned on this promise to remove anyone living here illegally. There's been some dispute over just how many folks have been deported. There was a DHS number that came out over the weekend. They're saying that there were 1.46 million forced deportations over the last 12 months. Do you believe that number is accurate?
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I have not seen the math behind that, but I am hopeful, I'm even more hopeful for those self deportation numbers because what we'd see, I was just in charge of the public affairs. What we'd see, even if we get bad press, we'd see if people were really talking about immigration enforcement, we'd see those self deportation numbers go up. Because that is when those people who are in our country illegally were really getting the message if they don't leave on their own, that we were going to get them the heck out of there and to take advantage of an incredibly generous offer, which is about $2,600 and a free flight home. So I'm hopeful that those numbers are accurate. I really want to see what those self deportation numbers look like with that.
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One of the interesting things about these self deportations and deportations in general regards around Haiti. We know that President Biden welcomed in hundreds of thousands of Haitian migrants, giving them tps temporary protected status. And now that the Trump administration is trying to send them back, folks are saying you're sending them back to hell. You're sending them back to a terrible country, which is quite different from the message of the left. A few years ago when President Trump called Haiti a hellhole and everyone on the left was saying, Haiti is beautiful, Haiti is great, there's nothing wrong with Haiti. What do you make of that kind of juxtaposition and messaging?
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I saw your colleague Michael Knowles, he had a brilliant tweet on that, that now it's politically correct to say that Haiti is in fact hell when the President did say years ago, and accurately so that it was governed as a shithole. You know, my message to the people though would be, you know, you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here. When President Biden, and quite frankly, decades of presidents have created these, these loopholes, these not just tps, but other parole programs that really these people were very lightly vetted. There was no look at meritocracy when letting these people in. Instead, it was about the country of origin. So I'm thrilled that the Supreme Court ruled, as it did on temporary protected status. And I do hope that the Trump administration will continue to look at these different parole programs and really evaluate if they put the American people, the American national security and our American economy first.
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I'm gonna be honest, when President Trump took office and he was promising mass deportations, I was skeptical, thinking, okay, this is like turning around an aircraft carrier of actually being able to get these people out. We know that there was enormous opposition within the federal court system with a lot of these lower circuit judges trying to do everything in their power to block these deportations from taking place. It does look like there have been well over a million forced deportations, a million or 2 million more voluntary deportations. Still a lot of work to do. But there's no doubt that this is a massive operation. When you came into office, when you obviously you had a high ranking position with the Department of Homeland Security, what were some of the things that stunned you, some of the systems in place under the President Biden, dhs, that almost defied any sort of belief that you could have that this was actually something happening in America.
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I think how broken our legal immigration system was chnv, which is Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, Venezuela, it was a parole program that let in probably north of a million people, again unvetted. It was really a rubber stamp political move by the Biden administration. They saw the images at the border, like those images that we saw out of Spain where people, mostly fighting age men, were pouring across our border. They knew it was a huge political risk for them, so they created chnv, It's a pro parole program. These people were not vetted, simply let into our country. And kava, it amazed me how arduous, as you mentioned, it is to get these people out of our country. If they take a single step into our countries, then they are given the right to due process and the amount of money it takes operationally, how expensive it is to house these people, to feed these people, just so that we can put them through the process, the judicial process and get them out of our country.
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Yeah, I for one would say that is money well spent. I'm happy to have my tax dollars go towards that effort. Let's get over to new DHS secretary Mark Wayne Mullen. He is under fire a bit this week from the MAGA base. After These comments. I want to play a clip of him touting the number of legal immigrants who have become US Citizens this year. Let's roll the tape. We have naturalization ceremonies every single day in the United States that we're in. That is, you know, federal government's open. We have hundreds of thousands of people. In fact, over. We're real close to 900,000 individuals that have been naturalized in the last 12 months. There's a legal system to go through now. Again, those comments sparked some outrage from folks in the MAGA crowd who said, hey, everybody on the right wants to eliminate illegal immigration, but there are folks who say a million legal immigrants is also a problem. What do you think of those comments?
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Yeah, I think we do need to get back to base camp as far as when it comes to legal immigration in this country, looking at those parole programs, tps, et cetera. Mark Wayne Mullen has an incredibly difficult job. I would say he probably has the 5 5th most difficult job in all of Washington. I wouldn't say this as in my official capacity when I was there, but I certainly think that the Department of Homeland Security is way too big. It needs to be reformed. You shouldn't have an agency that has both the US Coast Guard, Secret Service, TSA of weapons of mass destruction and then immigration on top of it, as well as terrorism prevention. It really didn't make sense, and I didn't think it was very manageable. So, you know, I do want to give him some grace. I think he has an incredibly difficult job. And you mentioned Those numbers before, 1.4 million forced deportations. I hope that those numbers are accurate, and I hope we continue to crank them up.
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Okay, I have to ask that final question. If that is the fifth hardest job in Washington, what are one through four?
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Oh, gosh, now I'm in a test. I think Speaker Johnson has a tough job. I think the President has an incredibly tough job. I think Marco Rubio has, like, five jobs, so he has to fill some of those slots.
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Okay. I will also throw on Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. I think that is a very difficult job.
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D
Oh, my gosh, she's the goat.
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She really is. And I have a lot of respect for her. And, you know, no one gives credit to podcasters for having a very difficult job, but I think my job should be thrown up there as well. Michael Knowles, you're number six. Yeah, number six. The life of a podcaster. It's very, very difficult. Trisha, always great to talk to you. Thanks for coming on. Really appreciate it.
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Thanks for having me.
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That was Trisha McLaughlin. Let's now get to another story on education that is fascinating and also terrifying. So for the past decades, America has been dealing with the consequences of soft on crime reforms that have softened punishment for criminals in the name of restorative justice. Our next guest says the same thing is happening just in a different way in our education system where poorly behaved students are let off the hook to the detriment of them and their peers. Joining us now is Carolyn Gorman, fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of the New City Journal piece Students Need Consequences, Not Restorative Justice. Carolyn, it's great to have you. Thanks for coming on.
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Thanks for having me, Kevin, great to chat with you.
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So I loved this piece. I read the entire thing and was just nodding my head along but also shaking it at times thinking this is insane. So you talk about how a lot of school systems nationwide have largely ditched any sort of disciplinary measures for students or at least when it comes to suspensions and expulsions. Tell us about that trend and then the impact that you think it's had.
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Yeah. So a decade or so ago, like you said, we sort of had this really hot idea on the left and that was this idea of a school to prison pipeline. And what the left thought was really driving a lot of criminal justice involvement were suspensions. And so look, the research didn't really bear that out. A lot of the effect of suspensions was taken away when you account for overall student engagement. But in any case, the whole idea was, okay, we've got to get rid of any type of disciplinary consequences. And what schools started replacing punishment with or discipline with were these restorative practices. So if kids were fighting, you would sit them together and make them sing Kumbaya in a circle. I mean, I'm kind of being facetious, but not really. That is actually sort of what these programs do. A lot of these programs are sort of mental health oriented or they're concerned with kids trauma. And really what they're doing is getting rid of any type of clear expectations for kids to learn what the rules are. Turns out when you don't teach kids that they are going to see consequences and that they have personal responsibility for behaving, they don't behave. And a lot of these sort of restorative practices also acted as a reward for students. If students want to get out of a worksheet and they can misbehave and get sent to the counselor's office, guess what type of behavior that is going to reinforce? Bad behavior. So if there is A school to prison pipeline, it is not being solved by restorative practices.
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F
Yeah.
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It would be like me telling my 2 year old that instead of going to time out, if he doesn't want to do his chores, I'm gonna punish him and send him outside to play in his sandbox with his toys and say, hey, you don't have to do the chores, but you can't stay here. Walk us through the data. Is there hard evidence to show what sort of impact these policies had?
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E
Well, what happened is a lot of schools. Well, first of all, federal policy changed, and during the Obama administration, schools were put under the threat of investigation if they suspended, if suspension rates were different by race. So they were really concerned about aggregate statistics and not concerned about the underlying behavior. Was it actually appropriate to be suspending a student? Did a student misbehave in such a way that they were not safe being in school? Did they bring a weapon to school, for example? That did not matter. They were still under threat of investigation. So a lot of schools stopped reporting when things were happening, but that didn't stop the violence from happening. So New York City schools in the 2025, 2026 year still had over 35,000 suspensions. And that is really scary because when you think about how much it takes for something to actually get reported now, you're really talking about the worst cases. So again, schools were not made more safe, they were just made less likely to report any type of misbehavior and unresponsive schools. That is a very clear feeder into the criminal justice system.
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Yeah, I'm gonna reiterate something you just said to make sure our audience hears it. Under President Obama's administration, they would punish schools if they were suspending more black kids than white kids or more Latino kids than Asian kids. They were punishing schools who were punishing kids. That just is. It's asinine. Yeah, go ahead.
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E
This was the case. Even if policies were being applied evenhandedly, the administration did not care. Schools were still having to be concerned about this. Now President Trump has started rolling back a lot of these policies and that's phenomenal. But a lot of change has to happen on the local level. Education is local. And so unless schools start taking seriously the idea that there should be clear, consistent application of traditional behavior codes of conduct and not kumbaya circles or trauma informed practices that are gonna get every kid out of every worksheet, then we're not gonna see any difference in terms of getting the violent kids out of
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the classroom at church this Sunday, my pastor was telling a story of when he was going to class in the 70s. If he was punished, he was sent to the principal's office and there was a giant paddle on the wall that was used on students. Maybe that sort of corporal punishment is not the answer. I'm not advocating for that. But what are the healthy alternatives for actually punishing kids and changing behavior? What does work?
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E
Well, look, as someone who may or may not have had their mouth washed out with soap for swearing as a kid, I can say that we should. There are a lot of different types of punishments that maybe we should or should not return to, but we can not overthink this. Try and understand what a student's behavior is in response to. If a kid is trying to get out of a math worksheet, maybe that kid needs more math worksheets. Don't let him escape that activity. Make him do the activity still. And look, right now we have a lot of kids that are sort of like anxious. They've got testing anxiety, they've got social anxiety. Make them go to school, make them take the test. They will realize it is not the end of the world. And guess what? That's a great thing for them to learn. If that is punishment, that's a great thing to punish kids and make them do.
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A
Yeah. I wanna get to one final story that you wrote about earlier this year before we go, Virginia. They're pushing a program that would mandate that all middle and high schoolers be screened for mental health conditions annually. Now, I understand on its face, the intentions might be good, but what sort of impact could this have negatively, in your view, Kevin?
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E
This is a horrible idea. Really good in theory, really really bad in practice. Only 5% of Americans have a serious and debilitating mental illness that will cause any type of functional impairment. And most of those illnesses do not develop until late teens or early 20s. And so we are essentially screening every angsty teenage for depression when they're just an angsty teen. And so this is really a big driver of over medicalization and over diagnosis. And that can have long term effects. Can I just say one more thing about this, Gabby?
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Go ahead.
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We are obsessed with mental health professionals in this country. It's honestly pretty embarrassing. It's like we can't do anything unless we've had the advice of our therapist or our psychoanalyst. Parents know what's best for their kids. Teachers often know what's good for kids. We do not need counselors to analyze every single angsty teen above fifth grade to see Whether or not they have a mental disorder, the vast majority of kids are fine and are going to be fine again. Does that kid have testing anxiety? Make him take the test. He's going to understand it's not the end of the world. It's a horrible waste of public resources.
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I have tried to to use this excuse with my boss, Ben Shapiro, when he tells me that I have to do some late night election coverage or write an op ed. I say, ben, I have late night election coverage anxiety. Can I get out of this? And he says, no, you can't. So I agree with you that sometimes you gotta put the foot down. Carolyn Gorman, thank you so much for coming on. We love having you here. I would encourage everyone to go read Carolyn's work in the City Journal, go find her stuff with the Manhattan Institute. Carolyn, really appreciate it.
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E
Thanks so much for having me, Cabot.
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Of course. Guys, if you're watching Wired in live on the Daily Wire plus app, thank you. If not, that's where you should be. That's how you get push alerts when we go live. Breaking news as it happens. And of course, the latest smar investigative reporting team. The Daily Wire app is free and available now on the App Store, Google Play, Apple tv, Roku, Samsung lg, and more. Well, a stunning new documentary is exposing how tens of thousands of Indians have exploited the student visa program in Canada and relied on legal loopholes and potentially illegal smuggling networks to make their ways into the United States. Here with more are the men behind that documentary, Taylor Hanson and Keon Simone from TPUSA Frontlines. Gentlemen, it's great to have you. Taylor, we'll start with you. Some unbelievable details that you guys uncovered in this documentary. Can we just start at the beginning? How did you become aware of this scheme?
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G
We actually became aware of it because of ikea. You know, he's actually Canadian himself. So, you know, he, he originally I was like, looking for stories and because we're actually trying to get him his visa into America and the process has just been hurdle after hurdle. And he started telling me about, you know, this issue that they have with essentially Indians coming everywhere in Canada. I mean, they have ethnic enclaves like Brampton and a very, very other various areas in Canada as well, and said that they're just coming in and out and they're abusing this visa system. So we said, okay, let's look into this. Let's try and find the American angle. He says, no, this is essentially an exclusively American story. You know, all Canadians know about this. It's been happening for years. There's advanced human smuggling networks that are essentially founded by these Indians that come over and abuse said visa system that operate all the way out of India and in Canada and illegally smuggle other Indian foreigners into the United States of America with essentially no recourse at all.
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A
So Kian, can you just explain for us how this scheme works and what you guys found when you started to dig?
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F
Yeah. So essentially students are given the ability to come to Canada to study. At first it was at our great universities and colleges until Canada, or sorry, not Canada, people took advantage of private colleges, so they created colleges in. The only reason was to get Indians over to Canada and like you said at the beginning, create a loophole in our immigration system. So at one point we had 2 million students on student visas here. And how it works is basically there's a, a gang inside India that has a contract with these big colleges that sends students, quote, unquote, over to Canada. And then once they get into Canada, they don't actually attend college. Instead they illegally cross into America.
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A
And Taylor, you guys actually at one point confront one of these alleged human smugglers who was helping some of these students get across the border. Tell us about that interaction.
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G
Yeah, it was interesting because we had met with him prior. We had set up basically a fake smuggling deal. I had posed as a Canadian that had been deported under the Trump administration back to Canada, as well as my fake wife and my fake nine year old son. And we had set this up over WhatsApp, using Instagram. So I mean, I employ your viewers. Look up whenever you're on Instagram. Next, look up Canada to USA Safe. This is the first step in actually finding these blatant smuggling ads. They're all over Instagram. You can find hundreds of them and they'll have a WhatsApp number and you just message that WhatsApp number on WhatsApp and within anywhere between immediately to a few days, you'll get a reply. And then we organized an actual in person meeting with one of these people and obviously recorded him undercover, pulled as many details and extracted as much information as we could from him, including the actual hotspot that they are using from it. And we actually later called him once we kind of got everything we need and established all the basis we needed for our story and asked him for a comment. And we were taken aback because this guy actually gave us a comment. We were laughing about it in the documentary. It's very serious. He was willing to give us a comment and he basically tried to play it off as, oh, we're just good Samaritans helping Indians that are in trouble out to cross the border. When I said, well, you know, what's the $10,000 I was supposed to pay you for? He says, oh, it's to pay the driver. Okay, well, that, by definition, it's human smug committing an international and federal crime.
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A
And, Taylor, did you guys report any of these individuals running these alleged smuggling operations to law enforcement?
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G
Well, what's interesting is we have sent some of it down the pipeline, and obviously it's since gone viral on social media. I'm aware that people within the administration have seen that they're yet to address it, and I'm hoping that they do. But the reality of this is, is the fixers are in India, the people that are actually orchestrating this. And what they do is you get in contact with that original WhatsApp number from Instagram, and once they realize that you're legit, you know, you send them your location, you give them the information. Sometimes we'll even ask for a picture of your passport. We said that, oh, I lost mine because we got deported. The US Government took ours, and that was enough for them. Then they actually send your number out to Indians that are staying in Canada, basically in mass, and they all reach out to you as, like, almost a bartering system. They kind of compete over you as who can smuggle you in first, and you can even negotiate price. So it's kind of hard to actually track on our end. But regarding the federal government, this would be a very easy thing to clamp down on. They basically took the tactic that the southern cartel has. I mean, that the Mexican cartels have used for years on the southern border and just copy and pasted it up. It's the exact same thing.
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A
It's wild. We know that there is a lot of law enforcement presence at the southern border right now, and thankfully, it has been largely shut down under President Trump. But, Kian, what sort of law enforcement presence and border patrol presence is there at the northern border, and how difficult is it for these people to be smuggled across from Canada?
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F
It's not difficult at all. There's. I mean, it's the largest land border in the world. You have many provinces or states up in Canada that, like, there are miles and miles and miles where there is nothing, especially in. In the middle, above the Dakotas, like you. There's no fences, there's no gates. There's no metal walls. There's lots of places. There's no cameras. It's extremely easy And I hate to say that out loud, but I say it so something can be done about it. There are patrols that are going to these quote unquote hot spots. We actually tested one of these patrols with our rcmp, their Royal Canadian Mounted Police. They're basically like our FBI. It's the closest comparison. They're the ones that are supposed to be protecting it. It took them 11 minutes to get to when we. We stood, we're under the cameras or they had the heat maps and they were trying to read license plates. It took them 11 minutes to come get us where we were. I mean, legally standing there, but they had to come check out what was going on. So if you're driving up and you have a van full of Indians or bags full of fentanyl like that, everything is gone at that point after 11 minutes.
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A
Well, I'm so glad you guys are sounding an alarm on this apparent scheme again. Tens of thousands of students posing as foreign exchange students taking advantage of the legal system, making their way into the United States. Taylor, just tell people where they can find this awesome documentary you guys put together.
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G
They can find it on either Kian or my personal Twitter, but the predominant place is frontlinestpusa on X. And if I could add one more thing. Yeah, it's not just these students abusing it as well is right now the Canadian government is actually kind of talking about applying pressure to what they call as visa overstays is in 2025 you had around 2.1 million and this upcoming year you're about to have another 1.9 expire. And so if they start clamping down on this issue and actually wanting to deport people back to India and their countries that they were originally from, a lot of these people aren't going to go home. Instead, what are they going to do? They're going to go to these already established and success smuggling networks and they're going to come into America because they know that it works.
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A
Again, I would encourage everyone to go watch this documentary. You guys did fantastic work on a topic that I think many of us were not even aware of. And so thank you for shining a light on this Kian. Taylor, really appreciate yalls work. Again, everyone go check this out with TPUSA frontlines. Appreciate yalls time.
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G
Thanks for having us.
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A
Well, by now you guys know that I am passionate about parenthood. And if you've been watching the show, you know also that we have been trying to sound the alarm on the fertility crisis. One of the women whose work I deeply admire on this topic is Emma Waters, host of the Rethinking Fertility podcast and author of the new Daily Wire piece, what the Fertility Industry Doesn't Want Couples To Hear. Emma, it's great to have you back.
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H
It's so good to be with you.
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A
So I mentioned your piece up on the Daily Wire where you talk about how the medical industry pushes those struggling with fertility towards IVF while largely ignoring alternative treatments like restorative reproductive medicine, or rrm, which you're a proponent of. So first, can you just explain for our audience what RRM entails?
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H
Yes. So restorative reproductive medicine begins with the premise that infertility is not a standalone disease, but is a symptom of underlying reproductive health conditions. So rather than bypassing the body, RRM works to restore the natural fertility and health of men and women so that they can naturally conceive. And so this includes everything from cycle tracking to medical, hormonal, and even surgical interventions. And while this has been around for over 50 years now, it's really just broken onto the political scene in the last two years and, to put it lightly, has caught on like wildfire.
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A
So how different is this sort of a care, which, as you mentioned, seeks to address the root causes of infertility? How different is that from the way the medical industry typically approaches infertility?
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H
So right now, the standard approach to treating infertility, a couple will do a few basic hormonal tests with their obgyn and then is frequently referred to an IVF clinic where they'll begin a few more tests, looking at hormone levels, maybe a semen analysis, but by and large are moved on to a one size fits all approach of ivf. And so with in vitro fertilization, you're not actually treating the underlying causes, but you're bypassing the man and woman's body to extract egg and sperm to create human embryos in hopes of a live birth resulting from that. And one of the major things we've seen in the last two years from the fertility industry is that they have attacked RRM relentlessly. To put it lightly, they've said that both RRM is just mere ideology. It's fake medicine. And at this very same time, they've said, well, we already practice this kind of care, so we actually don't need more of it. And if you think about those, they can't both be true. Either RRM is fake or it's what they're already doing, but it's not holding up. And there is a groundbreaking study that just came out in July that Actually looked at over 5 million patient claims and then deduced down those who had been diagnosed with infertility to find that at the nine month marker, between 70 and 85% of patients diagnosed with infertility had started IVF, and yet anywhere between 13 and 78% had not received the basic diagnostic workups to identify what was causing infertility. Which means that left and right, we are failing couples who were genuinely struggling with infection, infertility, selling them a very expensive and invasive procedure and failing to restore their health in the first place.
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A
Yeah, and what you're saying there is basically that doctors are not trying to figure out, hmm, what is causing this. They're just saying, oh, well, we have this expensive treatment, it works great. Trust us. You actually have dug into the research about the success of RRM compared to ivf, and as you mentioned, many folks in the medical industry, the experts will say, oh, this, it's all, you know, it's, it's snake oil, it's hippie dippy stuff, it doesn't actually work. But how successful is RRM compared to ivf?
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H
Yes, and this is the best part. Not only is it better medicine insofar as it's actually treating the man and woman's body, but of these recent studies that have come out just in the last five to seven years assessing these success rates, they are either comparable to or higher than IVF when it comes to results resulting in the live birth of a child. And in fact, one study found that working with couples who had up to fail, who, who had failed up to nine rounds of IVF, an insane number of cycles, over 30% naturally conceived with RRM. And that was just looking at the, quote, worst of the worst cases, which tells us there are a lot of men and women who actually need to have the hormonal, medical or surgical support to enable natural conception and could do it and don't need to rely on IVF in the first place.
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D
Yeah.
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A
It begs the question of if this appears to be at least as successful in fertility treatment, very likely more successful, and it's seemingly less invasive in many cases, why are doctors in the medical industry not trying this first? What is the reason for that? Is it just profit motive? Are they saying, well, we can just stick them on this very expensive IVF treatment, everyone makes a lot of money and maybe you'll be able to get pregnant? Is that the main motivation here? Why are these treatments not more popular?
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H
This is the wild part. Over one third of all IVF clinics are owned by private equity firms that Invest in high revenue ways to make money. Quick turnaround, quick profit margin. And of those one third of clinics owned by private equity firms, they are responsible for over 80% of IVF cycles in America. So while this is not a criticism of individuals who I think are in many cases just as captive to the fertility industry's business model, this is an indictment of the industry itself, which studies have shown just in general research are pushing more costly interventions, more cycles of ivf, and quite frankly, I think are feeling the pinch when they're losing a significant market of people who instead of turning to IVF and all of their expensive add ons to make more money at these private equity owned clinics, are instead turning to RRM where they can actually, for a fraction of the cost, treat their infertility and have many children without having to restart the IVF cycle. And what's so wild is studies by Carrot, an insurance company, JL Partners, and a number of others in the last year have found that this is an 80, 20 or 9010 political issue. Men and women, regardless of whether they're conservative or pro life, want real answers to their infertility. They're not just looking for more ivf. So to say that this is politically popular is an understatement to say the least.
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A
Yeah, this is a fascinating topic that is so important. It is just. It's common sense. I'm so glad that you are reaching people with this. You've been outspoken about this for years. Even before the Maha movement was catching on, you were one of the leading voices here. So you deserve a lot of credit for bringing this into the national conversation. And we really appreciate you bringing it here. Again, I would encourage everyone to go read all of your work on the Daily Wire. Go listen to Emma's podcast, Rethinking Fertility. Emma Waters, pleasure to have you. As always, you're welcome back anytime.
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B
Thanks.
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H
It's so great to see you.
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A
Absolutely. Thank you, Emma. All right, let's jump over to a sports league that seems intent on alienating its fans and sacrificing its most marketable players on the altar of wokeness. I'm talking about the wnba, which is once again stirring up national controversy after turning on a star player who dared to support women in women's sports. A crazy concept, I know. Here to explain it all is Daily Wire reporter Lyndon Blake. Lyndon, great to have you back, Kev.
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I
It is always good to be here with you.
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A
I never thought that I would be thinking so much about the wnba. I know, but I am. It's taken over Everything it has and maybe not for the best reasons. So. So the latest star at the center of this controversy is Sophie Cunningham. Just explain for us what she has said to bring all of this hatred her way.
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I
You know I think she just really wanted to define the wnba. She wanted everyone to know that that stands for women's national basketball.
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A
Is that what the W is?
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I
Oh yeah. Did you know what the W is? It's not woke National Basketball Association. She just was saying, hey, I think that girls should not have to play against men. I mean isn't that hard to say? That is, it's so hard to say. But Sophie Cunningham, I mean she's the only one that had the courage to say that. And now it has turned into a more than a weeks long drawn out drama because her support has grown. Yeah, more people going to games, buying her jerseys. Mine better be delivered by this weekend because I bought a jersey and I want to cheer her on. But then with the rise of her support, you've seen the rise of the woke crazies that are a part of
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A
this league and we have to talk about that. That has been a crazy aspect here where yes, there has been support for Sophie Cunningham. People saying thank you for being a star in this league. Who's defending women's sports.
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F
Her. Her.
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A
She has a signature shoe deal. Those shoes have sold out in many sizes. Her jersey selling out. We'd love to see that support for her. But the pushback really started with the co owner of one of the other teams in the league who was going after some young girls. What happened here?
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I
I hope we can show Ms. Celeste Keaton's face because this girl, she just couldn't handle Sophie Cunningham having fans and she had to call two teenage girls effing insane for being there with their xxxy which is a athletic brand in case people don't know that. Obviously says hey, men are different than women. And Jennifer say started that brand after she got ousted from her old job at Levi's for having common sense. But these girls had their Sophie Cunningham signs wearing their XXXY and the co owner of the Seattle Storm just couldn't stand it. So she yelled at them effing insane. She got fined. She has to sit out the next five home games and like I've been saying, that's tough because the Seattle Storm aren't having a great season. So Celeste's poor thing may not have too many more opportunities, opportunities to watch the team that she co owns. But that was just the tip of the iceberg because that was you know, days ago, and now we've seen coach after coach come out. You saw the Minnesota Links coach, Cheryl Reeves, that wore Trans Kids Matter shirt to the game against Sophie Cunningham on Sunday. And it is just bonkers having the reigning WNBA Coach of the Year, this girl that has made just the most out of her career as a WNBA coach winning the biggest accolade coach of the Year, she's saying, no, this league is about everyone belonging, even trans women, AKA men. And this bothers me because as someone who did get excluded from sports, I wasn't good enough to play a college sport. It's not inclusive and it's not supposed to be. It is supposed to be how you separate based on merit. You earn your spot on a sports team, you earn your right to play professional basketball. And you should not. These women's coaches in the WNBA should not be trying to give away these spots on their roster to men. Yeah, it's bonkers.
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A
And when the Daily Wire movie Lady Ballers came out with this exact premise that, oh, if men are allowed to play, if the WNBA and other women's sports leagues are not actually executed exclusive, if they're all inclusive, oh, we should do that. And people said, oh, it's a comedy. It's fiction. It wasn't a comedy. It wasn't fiction.
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I
What did we watch this weekend?
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A
It was real.
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I
Again, because it was real.
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A
Did you watch Lady Ballers?
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I
Of course I watched it. My parents showed it to them for the first time. But it was because you're talking about this drinking morning coffee like, this is a crazy idea. This is something that should not be controversial. Sophie Cunningham, in her original statement was like, I do not hate trans people. No one is trying to get trans people to be obliterated. It is just saying if you choose to transition, if you choose to be trans, if you want to live in a different body, you're not going to be able to play as a woman. That's just not how it works. And so, Lady Ballers, it is a comedy. But go back and rewatch it, people, because this is where you're like, oh, no.
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A
Oh, it's a documentary.
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I
Oh, no, it's a documentary.
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A
I've told this story before. Back in 2017, I made a video when they were first, when the bathroom laws were taking place where men were allowed in women's bathrooms. I made a video where I went to the University of Maryland. I just wore jeans and a T shirt, didn't pretend to be a woman, but I walked around with a fake petition and I said, hey, I'm a woman, and I'm trying to play on the women's basketball team. The university won't let me. Will you sign my petition? 49 out of 50 students I talked to signed my petition. They said, good luck. You should be allowed on the team. When we posted that video, there was all sorts of hate from people saying, no one is saying that men should be allowed in women's sports. This is a slippery slope fallacy. It's never gonna happen. Now it is happening, and maybe I actually should have tried to walk onto the team. Has there been anyone defending our friend Sophie Cunningham? We got all these people coming out against her, but what about the other side?
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I
I mean, there's people that are defending her. Brayden Fihoko, he used to play college ball, Texas Tech, lsu. He went on to play in the NFL. He is being like, okay, so, like, you want to play against LeBron next year? This is how we want to send off LeBron at his end of his career. Okay, cool. And then, of course, there's Stephen A. Smith at. He's one of the moderates, I'm gonna say. I know he's a Democrat. He's gonna say that, but he is the one of the ones that will meet you in the middle when it comes to common sense. Again, this should be so bipartisan. It should hurt. Like, this should be something we all agree on. But he even said, this is what most Americans think. And you get on social media, and this is why you had to go, I had to go touch grass this weekend. I had to go feed some ducks. Because you get really worked up on social media because you see all these people that are holding signs like, I thought I hated Caitlin Clark. Now I hate Sophie Cunningham even more. And it's like, this is crazy, but this is something that still most Americans agree on. But when you have people at the highest position and the people of power in the wnba, Sheryl Reeves, if I'm not mistaken, her wife is the president of the Minnesota Links. If not one of the owners. Like, these are people in power. These are people that keep the league going and are voices and faces of the league. And when you have them saying, yes, we welcome all to the WNBA men, come on. That is detrimental to the league. And that's where it comes, you know, oh, this is like something that is not rare or it's so rare that we'll never have to worry about this. You see it more and more often at the high school level, more often than people think. And it's just going to continue to go. And then you're going to wake up one day and be like, why did I not stand up for this? More people are standing up, which is good. But you need people to keep talking about it. Sports people, they don't want to touch it. I consider myself a sports person. I'm so thankful. I work with the Daily Wire. I will touch this topic every single day because I couldn't for so long. But sports people, you cannot talk about sports and have people trust you to analyze a game. When you sit here and tell me that men belong in women's sports, it's stupid. Wake up.
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A
Yep. And I couldn't have said it better myself. I think the wnba, I almost wonder, are they just embracing the all press as good press? And they're saying, yeah, we're gonna have a lot of people hate us, but we don't care. Cause at least they'll be talking about us. If not, if they really do believe all these things, they're saying it's absolutely insanity and it would mean the end of their league as we know it.
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But it's hurting their credit. They had a gambling. We haven't even talked about the gambling scandal. That's a whole nother thing. I mean, it's crazy.
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It is crazy. But I would encourage everyone at home, go buy a Sophie Cunningham jersey. Go get the Sophie Cunningham shoes. I think it's important that we support women when they're standing up and they're facing this type of heat for speaking the truth. So I think it's awesome what she's doing. Lyndon Blake, thank you for getting us up to speed on the WNBA drama. Not a statement I thought I'd ever say on this show, but we have to talk about it.
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It is important. Lyndon. Thanks again.
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Thanks, Cabot.
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