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Gavin McInnes
Book direct@ChoiceHotels.com well, good evening everybody and welcome to Wired In. Thanks so much for spending your Tuesday with us. In just a moment, we're gonna hear from the Republican senator leading the charge on the Save America Act. We'll also check in on the White House for the latest from Iran and tell you about the stunning document dump offering new details on the alleged Covid cover up carried out by Dr. Anthony Fauci. I say alleged cover up. At a certain point, I don't think I even have to say alleged anymore. We'll also tell you guys about Kamala Harris and her new push to abolish the Electoral College. A Democratic Senate nominee who says he hates Christianity. That's a direct quote. And Zohram Downey's handpicked socialist candidates who might be heading to Congress this November. And as always, stick around to the end of the show for our live listener Q and A. If you're listening on Spotify and Apple. Gotta become a Daily Wire member to take part in that portion of the show. So go sign up right now@dailywire.com subscribe. All right, you know what time it is. Roll that graphic. Just a reminder for you lovely folks at home, Wired in is now streaming live at 4pm Eastern Monday through Thursday on the Daily Wire app. Get daily coverage of the news happening right now, insight into why it matters, hear from experts who are actually in the story. Become a member right now and join the live chat@dailywire.com subscribe. All right, let's get right to it. I don't want to keep our next guest waiting any longer. We're pleased to bring on Florida Senator Rick Scott from the great state again of Florida. We love Florida here at the Daily Wire. Senator, it's a pleasure to have you on. Thanks for being here.
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Cabot Phillips
It's nice to be with you. I hope you move to Florida eventually
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Gavin McInnes
Well, my boss already lives in Florida, so maybe we can open up a daily wire bureau down there. Senator, just in the last hour, the Senate voted to pass a war powers resolution for Republicans, joining with the vast majority of Democrats in passing that measure to condemn President Trump for his actions in Iran. What do you make of this?
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Cabot Phillips
Well, first off, I'm disappointed past think about what this president's been doing. He is trying to make sure that Americans are not killed by a nuclear weapon. So that's what he's trying to do. He wants to make sure that we're safe. So what he's done is historic. He hasn't appeased. So we don't have a deal yet. But I'm optimistic that we're going to have a deal. And there's no value of condemning the president for his actions in Iran. We should be doing is giving him a medal for making sure Americans are not being killed.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, I want to get to a piece of legislation that you have been pushing hard for President Trump for some time now, calling on Congress to pass the Save America act, which would in Part Expand Voter ID laws, among other things, require proof of U.S. citizenship to register to vote. A number of your Republican colleagues, though, have not gotten on board with that legislation. I'm sure you've heard also the outcry from a lot of your constituents and Republicans around the country. Why is that? Why has this been so difficult to get across the finish line?
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Cabot Phillips
Well, it's surprising to me. It's probably, I've been up here seven years, and it's probably the most popular piece of legislation that I, that Republicans, Democrats and Independents want. I mean, everybody wants it, including one of my constituents, Donald Trump. He wants it. So we've got to figure out how to get this done or, and, you know, we can try it different ways if we can't get all the votes, because in the Senate, it takes 60 votes to get through filibuster. So, you know, can we break it up and maybe we can just get voter ID done, or maybe that you just have to be an American citizen to register to vote done. So I think we've got to work on it every day. We got to try to, I think we ought to vote something on how do we secure elections every day. We've got to make sure that in November, there's a clear choice. If you vote for Republican, you know, we don't want your vote diluted. If you vote for a Democrat, we, they're voting, you know, that they want your vote diluted by fraud.
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Gavin McInnes
Do you believe that President Trump would support that idea of breaking this legislation up into smaller pieces?
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Cabot Phillips
I think he's a realist. He knows he wants to get this done. I talked to him on Friday. He knows that we have to secure elections in November. So this is. And I can just tell you, in my state, everywhere I go, the first thing they ask me is, can you get the Save America act passed? So it's not just Donald Trump. It's, you know, it's Republicans, Democrats and independents all over this country want this bill passed.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, every episode I'm reading hundreds and hundreds of comments from our viewers. And as you mentioned, one of the most common questions that I see is people saying, why have we not passed this thing? So I just wanna ask again for your colleagues, what are the areas of concern that you're hearing? We understand the Democrats, what their point of view is on this piece of. But why are there Republicans who are so strongly opposed or at least not getting on board?
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Cabot Phillips
No one's ever explained it. So this Wednesday, I've invited President Trump to come to lunch. I run the Wednesday lunch. I run the group called Steering, which is the conservatives in the Senate. And so I bring in speakers. And so my speaker this week is President Trump. And I think what my goal is, we're gonna talk about how do we go forward. We've gotten a lot accomplished in the. In a year and a half, or he's gotten a lot accomplished, and we've worked hard to help him. But we have midterms coming up. The Democrats want to shut down government. We've got to get our elections secure. So my goal is to have a lunch where we all come together to figure out, how do we get this done. I'm, you know, I'm a business guy. You know how you get things done in business. You sit down with people and say, what is your issue? How do I resolve it?
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Gavin McInnes
I think a lot of our audience would be fascinated just to get a peek into what that lunch is gonna be like. Can you give us a little bit of the behind the scenes of how this thing operates? Obviously, you're very close to President Trump, so might not be as cool to you, but I think for all of us, we say, that sounds like a very interesting thing to take part in. So what do you expect to see tomorrow when President Trump meets with the Senate and gop, who he has been clashing a bit with? So there might be some fireworks, but what are you expecting?
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Cabot Phillips
So I'm expecting a very productive lunch. So what I do is every Wednesday we're in session, I bring in speakers. I brought in Elon Musk, Jamie Dimon. I bring in speakers every week to just create a conversation about how do we learn something and how do we represent Americans. And so I think what's going to happen tomorrow is we're going to talk about all the success the president's had, and then we're going to talk about what's reality, where are we right now, and what do we need to get done to make sure we win in November, and what are we going to get done his next two years? As a business guy, you always plan for the future. That's how you have success. And that's what I want to do tomorrow. Let's talk about what do we want to get done and how do we work together.
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Gavin McInnes
You mentioned the filibuster earlier and how it's made it very difficult to get legislation through your chamber. President Trump has expressed, we'll call it, displeasure with some of your colleagues in the Senate on the GOP side, lamenting that Republicans have not abolished the filibuster. What do you make of that demand? And do you see that happening?
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Cabot Phillips
So I agree with the president. And it's not that we need to get rid of the filibuster. The filibuster was not to stop a bill. This filibuster was supposed to be used to say, you know what? We've had enough time to talk about this bill. We're gonna take a vote. The vote was always at a majority at 51. But what the Democrats have done is they've used it to block legislation. And so to me, we have a choice. Either we're gonna force the filibuster. Way it works where everybody, you know, you have your debate. After a while, we say, oh, we're gonna vote, and we vote, and it's a majority vote. If we're not gonna do that, then we might as well get rid of the filibuster, because it was never supposed to be used to block a bill. Clarence Thomas didn't get 60 votes when he was approved as a Supreme Court justice. So it's hard to get 60 votes for something. But it was only to say, okay, we talked enough, let's go vote. So we'll see what happens. We don't have right now. We're not enforcing the filibuster from the standpoint that people have to talk, and we're also not going to get rid of it. And I think it's hampering the ability to get Trump's agenda accomplished.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, I'm sure you're well aware of the polling data coming out. This war with Iran is generally not popular with the general public. Hopefully, the war is over at this point. This peace deal holds. So we've got four months now before midterms to kind of shift the conversation and convince Americans that Republican leadership is still the best path for American success. What does that roadmap look like? What can be done in Washington to win over voters who may have been disappointed in Republican leadership to this point or might still be on the fence?
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Cabot Phillips
Well, I just did a letter telling my colleagues, and this is what I think we ought to be doing. I think every day we're here, we ought to. Let's live in reality. The Democrats wanna shut down government October 1st. So every day, let's take a vote on make sure we're gonna continue funding government. So there's a clear choice. If you want government shut down, you'll vote for Democrat. If you want government kept open, you're gonna vote for a Republican. That's number one. Number two is let's do something on securing the elections every day. So Election day, people, you know, Democrats are the ones that, they want fraud. We want secure elections. On top of that, cost of living is high. So what can the, what can the federal government do to reduce the cost of living? Well, balance the budget is the most important thing. So we don't have this inflation. So every day, let's take a vote. What can we. Can we get rid of fraud? Can we get rid of waste? Can we reduce the size of government every day? I think we ought to be taking a vote every day on those issues. So when in November, people are going to say, look, we watched Democrats want things that we don't want. Republicans want things that are good for our families.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, before we go, I want to ask you about Kanye West. I'm saying that sentence out loud. That's not something I thought I would ever say. But you're circulating a petition this week to shut down one of his performances in Florida. Can you tell us why?
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Cabot Phillips
Well, Kanye west adores Hitler. He sells clothes with swastikas. He's anti Semitic. So what's wrong? Here's what's happening. Countries have banned him. Right. But what I'm concerned about is not that we have to ban somebody like that. I disagree with them. But you don't take public money and build a public institution like the Raymond James Stadium, and then you invite an anti Semite, somebody that believes in hatred, to perform there. So in Tampa, we have a big Jewish population. So think about this. They're paying their taxes and to support the Raymond James Stadium. And then the sports authority is saying, oh, we take your money, juice, but we're going to bring somebody that hates you. That's wrong. All right.
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Gavin McInnes
Well, that has.
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Cabot Phillips
So you can go to change.org and sign the petition. You can find. The easiest way is go to my X handle, it's enrickscott, and sign up. We've got thousands and thousands of people that have signed a petition.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, we really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for being here. You're welcome anytime. And we look forward to hearing more details on this lunch with President Trump tomorrow.
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Cabot Phillips
Well, good luck. Take care.
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Gavin McInnes
Bye bye. Thank you, Senator. That was Florida Senator Rick Scott. All right, guys, let's jump across town now to Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. Mary Margaret, great to see you as always. I want to pop around to a few different topics, but let's start first with President Trump's itinerary. He's on the road right now. Tell us what he's up to.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Hey, Kevin. Yes. So the president is in Pennsylvania right now. I believe he is still speaking as we speak. He's been speaking for quite some time now, but he's out in Pennsylv, Pennsylvania, in basically a campaign event, talking to Pennsylvania voters and reminding them all the good things that his administration has done for them and all the good things that his administration will continue to do for them if they support him. Now, this is his first kind of like campaign event in a number of weeks now. You know, Vice President Vance, he's kind of been doing more of these types of campaign events in recent weeks, but the president hasn't. He's been very focused on Iran. So this is a big deal for him and for the administration. And they're really focusing on these Rust Belt voters who may or vote for the president may or may not vote for Republicans in the coming elections. I got a little glimpse of what he was saying earlier, Cabot, as I was, you know, working and trying to listen to him get a, get a glimpse of what he was talking about. And he did a number of his classic Trump riffs, including joking about how Melania doesn't like it when he does the bit about the man who identifies as a woman and is doing the wrestling competition, as well as a joke that one of the men that he's helped, you know, through the things the president has done for the economy, he joked about how this man's wife actually loves him now because they're doing better with their finances and more. So just a classic Trump speech where he does the art of the weave, as we've written about for DailyWire.com and he really just weaves in and out his campaign messaging and also all the things he wants Americans to remember that he's done for them. Of course, mentioning Iran and the other events going on in the world. But in a way to suggest to voters, I've got you. I am your guy. Listen to me and we will be fine.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. Melania, not a fan of his impression of a man playing women's sports. I need to talk to my wife and figure out what are the things I do on my show that she is not a fan of, just so I can make sure not to do them. Mayor Margaret, you mentioned President Trump hitting the campaign trail. What are the topics that the White House is going to be zeroing in on? We know that the war in Iran, again, as I just mentioned, the senator, it's not popular with the electorate right now. So is there going to be a strategy shift ahead of the midterms where the White House tries to highlight other issues that might be more popular?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Well, one thing we know, Cabot, that is popular is polls show right now that people want the war to end. So that's an interesting one. When you think about the situation right now and the negotiations going on in the Middle east and, you know, the whole war with Iran in general, polls are showing that that is something that people are viewing favorably. But you know, that that could obviously have other implications if things do not settle the way the Trump administration hopes that they will. Now, on the other hand, we have the fraud messaging, which is a huge asset to the Trump campaign. It has been Vice President J.D. vance's pet project. He is the fraud czar in the same way that Kamala Harris was the border czar. And everyone in the administration has kind of joked about that comparison and the way in which Kamala Harris failed at being border czar, even President Donald Trump has talked about and how they know that J.D. vance will not fail at being frauds are. So they actually had a big announcement about fraud today. A number of arrests, number of people put on the most wanted list. And that is definitely a high focus of the Trump campaign because it's an easy win for them to say, look, all of this fraud was going on, no one cared until we came in. We're taking care of it. We're stopping it. Look how crazy and insane and Democrat driven. All of this fraud was. And we're doing something about it. So that's absolutely a major messaging point. But the president is absolutely talking about the economy as well. He is, you know, talking about a lot of the things that some of us may have forgotten about, a lot of the really good things that he did when he first came into office. So, for example, banning men from women's sports, freeing pro lifers that were imprisoned under the Biden administration, getting rid of DEI and things like that. He hasn't forgotten about it and he doesn't want the public to forget about all these things either.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. As you mentioned, J.D. vance taking on the title of fraud czar, Kamala Harris, border czar, although I think Kamala Harris was also the fraud czar, just unofficially and in a very different meaning of the word.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
It's very possible.
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Gavin McInnes
Mary Margaret, I wanna get also to a legal victory today for the White House. Much of the President's agenda has been stymied by Biden appointed federal justices around the country. But this time the D.C. circuit Court, not exactly a conservative circuit court, sided with the Trump administration on expedited deportations. Give us more on that case.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Yes, this is a big deal. D.C. circuit panel today reversed a federal judge's order blocking the Trump administration from expanding expedited removal procedures for immigrants who have been in the country under two years. So that was a two to one decision. And the appeals court determined that the Department of Homeland Security could revive that identical 2019 policy, allowing the department to exercise its removal power to, quote, the maximum extent allowed by Congress. And they said that does not violate immigrants rights. So a win for the Trump administration in that count and one that they've been looking forward to for quite some time and anticipating, hopefully.
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Gavin McInnes
Mary Margaret, I want to get to the reflecting pool in D.C. on the National Mall, which surprisingly has become like one of the apparently biggest stories in America for the mainstream press. President Trump revitalizing the reflecting pool, emptying it out, painting the bottom of it blue and then filling it back up to try and make it look a little prettier. There's been a lot of scandal. Now the press just absolutely scandalized by that operation. And now we've even seen some arrests for vandalism. What's going on here? Start with the media angle, what their coverage has been focused on, and then let's get to the vandalism.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Yeah, this is a really messy situation, Cabot. And at first I dismissed it cuz I thought this is so stupid. The president cleaned up the reflecting pool. Even if you don't like him, you should be able to appreciate that. And I will say at first everyone appreciated it. I saw people on both sides of the aisle going to the reflecting pool, taking photos, acknowledging how beautiful it looked. Cuz the President painted the bottom of it this really dark, beautiful blue to better reflect all the monuments around it. But after a little while, all of a sudden I noticed that CNN was down there by the reflecting pool and they were doing a lot of hits on how, you know, there might be this in the reflecting pool or that in the reflecting pool. And I will say, you know, from a media perspective, it did seem like CNN either had gotten tipped off that something was going on or CNN wanted something to be going on because they were spending a lot of time down there. And then we started hearing that there were tourists who were taking pieces of the blue paint home with them as some kind of souvenir. And then we started hearing that the paint was floating up. And then we started hearing that there was algae in there, that there were ducks dying and more. And so over the weekend, the President shared that apparently vandals had gone to the reflecting pool and used knives to cut a 200 to 300 foot gash in the reflecting pool. Now, the President clarified yesterday that it's over 300ft and he reiterated that vandals had cut this, this gash in the reflecting pool. He also said that there were chemicals that were poured into it. And he said that they're going to be making arrests. They already have made a number of arrests. Yesterday they said 5. Today they said they had arrested another person. And I believe there's seven people who have been issued citations. But meanwhile, the legacy press, I was in the Oval Office with a number of them yesterday. Their gut reaction is to say, man, no, you're lying. Your pool just failed. And to try and suggest that the President is making all of this up. Well, I've talked to the National Park Service, I talked to the park police, I talked to the White House, talked to the Department of Interior. And what I'm hearing from everyone is that there are indeed vandals who are trying to destroy the reflecting pool. And get this, Cabot, not just vandals, but there are protesters who hate Trump so much that they're out there praising algae. And I don't know, like, I have a pond in my parents backyard, so I grew up with algae. That is disgusting stuff. It's, it's terrifying to behold, it's terrifying to touch. God forbid you're swimming and it touches your legs. Like, that's some really gross stuff. But they're out there with big signs with shirts that say Team Algae. And in some cases, they're trying to connect Trump and the algae and the reflecting pool to Epstein, to hypocrisy. It is just classic D.C. protester behavior. And one of these guys, I know this woman from my time covering the court in 2022 when the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. So these are paid protesters that are out there that are causing disturbances and some of them apparently are getting arrested. So it's a dicey situation, but the President appears to be on top of it, and all of these agencies are very on top of it. And I'm told that as of today, the pool looks much better and it's been treated and things are on the up and up.
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Gavin McInnes
It is just very strange, the world we're living in, where we just had a period for four years under President Biden, where Washington, D.C. was quite literally in disarray. The fountains were no longer turned on. There was graffiti that was left over from the Summer of Love George Floyd, protests that were never cleaned off. And there was not very much media outrage about the state of the city. And now President Trump coming in trying to turn the fountains back on, clean things up. You would think that would be something that folks were pumped up about nationally. That's not the case, though. They're almost gleeful that the revitalization project going on is facing some hiccups. Maybe those hiccups are self inflicted by these protesters. Mary Margaret, as one of our favorite recurring guests on the show, our live audience over on DailyWire.com is always throwing your specific questions. So we try to indulge our audience, get some of those questions on there. So let's just end with one final question for you. This one's from Remember Charlie. Mary Margaret, what's your favorite book of the Bible?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Oh, what's my favorite book of the Bible? I think Revelation. That gets me going. No, I think the Gospel of Matthew I really love. So that's a good question. Remember, Charlie and I like your username.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, Revelation. That's a little bit of a deep cut. One that many people find a little confusing, but I'm glad that you enjoy it. Mary Margaret, great pick. Thank you for your work as always. We love hearing from you. Thanks for being on.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Thanks for having me.
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Gavin McInnes
That was Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. Well, guys, whether it is the war in Iran, the pressure campaign on Cuba, or the power struggle with China, President Trump's second term has become increasingly defined by his foreign policy. Here to help us make sense of it all is Professor Wall Street Journal columnist and scholar with the Hudson Institute, Walter Russell Mead. Professor Mead, thanks so much for coming on.
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Walter Russell Mead
Glad I could be here.
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Gavin McInnes
Professor, I wanna start with the Iran deal, which has drawn both praise and criticism across the political spectrum. Now that we've finally been read in on what is included, how are you feeling?
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Walter Russell Mead
You know what? I still think we don't know what the final deal between the United States and Iran is gonna be. The government in Iran is not a government that sticks to its pledge word or rigorously carries out its obligations. And the Trump administration can be pretty flexible, too. So I think we're actually still in a process of negotiations, and I'm gonna reserve my judgment until I see where it all ends up.
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Gavin McInnes
That is a refreshing take to hear that, not having just this reflexive response to judging things right away, saying, let's wait for the dust to settle. I appreciate that, Professor. I love reading your work in the Wall Street Journal. You just had a fascinating editorial where you said that President Trump's senior cynicism is both his greatest strength and his greatest weakness when it comes to foreign policy. Can you elaborate on that for us?
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Gabby Stout
Sure.
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Walter Russell Mead
Unlike a lot of politicians and policymakers, President Trump doesn't come to office with a lot of ideas in his head about, okay, this is immoral and you can do it, this is moral and you must do it, etc. Etc. President Trump has very, you know, sort of very flexible ideas, and he makes his decisions based on what he. What he judges to be his personal political interest, the American interest, what have you in the moment. And every day is a new day for President Trump. Now, that gives him the advantage to think out of the box, to surprise people that he's making deals with. But it also creates problems. One of them is that there are people in the world, and I think Vladimir Zelensky is one, I think Vladimir Putin is another, who actually believe something. And they're likely, you know, it's gonna. It's hard for Trump to get two people like that to agree. And over time, too, you can lose trust by. If people think that what you said today doesn't bind you tomorrow, why should I bother to make an agreement with him today when he's just gonna change tomorrow? So it's a strength and a weakness.
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Gavin McInnes
I'm interested in your take as a historian. What is something that you think the average person gets wrong or maybe doesn't fully grasp when it comes to their understanding of Iran.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Hmm.
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Walter Russell Mead
Well, there are a lot of things. One of them is that Iran is a very ancient civilization and culture that sees itself as, as entitled by history and by the riches of its accomplishments and its achievements to play a leading role in the world. And it feels that in the 19th and 20th century, a little bit like China with its century of humiliation, it's been unfairly put down and it wants to get back. And this is a driving force. This isn't just something that people in the Islamic Republic or the clergy think. It has a lot of appeal on the Iranian street. You can talk to supporters of the former Shah's son and they have that strong sense of Iranian nationalism. Say this is something you can never forget when you're dealing with the Iranians.
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Gavin McInnes
Based on what we've seen from the Trump administration, do you think that they have a healthy understanding and knowledge of that reality you just described?
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Walter Russell Mead
I would say they're acquiring it. That is, dealing with the Iranians is an educational experience for anybody who tries. And I think the Trump administration, certainly at the beginning they were over optimistic, at least if we go by the public statements of President Trump and his advisors, they were overoptimistic about what they could accomplish. Now they've discovered it's not going to be so easy. The Iranians aren't going to just, you know, fold like a cheap suit because of US and Israeli air power. So now the hard part begins. And here I think we're going to, we're going to see just what kind of a deal maker President Trump ultimately proves to be.
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Gavin McInnes
Professor, let's get to another topic that you've written extensively about, including this month. That's Cuba. We know the communist regime appears to be weaker than at any point in the last few decades. First, in your view, what has led to that decline?
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Walter Russell Mead
Well, the immediate cause was when the Soviet Union collapsed. They were in dire straits and then they found a new sugar daddy. That was Hugo Chavez and Venezuela. That continued until fairly recently. But now they've lost that sugar daddy and so they have to survive on what they can produce. And the trouble is the Cubans can't produce very much. The Cuban government has never been economically successful and it isn't now. So without that source of outside support, they are really desperate.
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Gavin McInnes
And as that decline has been happening, the White House has simultaneously ratcheted up their pressure campaign on the regime. So if a full on collapse were to occur, what would that look like? And just as importantly, what would the ramifications BE for the U.S.
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Walter Russell Mead
you know, it would likely be messy. The one thing I think we should not expect is, you know, when communism fell in what was then Czechoslovakia, people talked about the Velvet Revolution, the smooth transition that seems less likely in Cuba. And in Cuba, it's a little bit like Libya after Gaddafi or Iraq after Saddam Hussein that is under a long dictatorship. The sort of government institutions have gotten so weak and flimsy, and there's so little sort of civic culture left, that it's really not clear once you lose that central power directing things from Havana, that the country will still function. And that's one of the hardest things for an outside power to deal with. Not resistance from a country, but the collapse of a country. And that is close enough to our shores, and there are enough American citizens who have relatives in Cuba that this would be a big problem for the United States.
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Gavin McInnes
We've seen President Trump speak fairly openly about his desire to see regime change in Cuba. At sometimes he's openly hinted, saying Cuba could be next after talking about Venezuela and Iran. What would you see that looking like that intervention in Cuba. What do you think the options are on the table?
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Walter Russell Mead
Well, I think what the Trump administration would like to see would be to find something like a Venezuelan transition, where one faction in the ruling authorities decides that the smartest thing to do under the circumstance is to cooperate with the United States rather than oppose it. And if that happens, the chances for a gradual transformation for stability on the island, even as things change under that scenario, the chances are good. I think what the administration, I'm sure, does not want to do is to send troops into Cuba, certainly not on any kind of an extended basis. So how do you muster up enough pressure to split the regime without actually having to get yourself into a war? That may be the kind of question that people in the White House are thinking about right now.
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Gavin McInnes
Well, I would encourage everyone to go read Professor Mead's work. Just fantastic columns in the Wall Street Journal. Before we go, I have one more question to ask you. I'm constantly getting barraged with questions from our audience asking what they should be reading, and I think you're the perfect person to ask. Tell us what you think. What's the best history book you've read in the last year or two? What jumps out? What should folks be reading?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Hmm.
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Walter Russell Mead
Well, obviously, history's a big field for American history. Let me suggest a book called Washington's Crossing by David Hackett Fisher, and it's about how George Washington, at the darkest moment of the American Revolution, was able to build an American army almost from scratch. Invent new ways of bringing together this very diverse group of colonists who on the whole, didn't always like each other very much, and wheel that into a force that was able to defeat the most powerful army in the world. Washington's crossing. David Hackett, Fisher.
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Gavin McInnes
All right, we will bring you back in a few weeks. We'll do an impromptu book club. Our audience, everyone go read that book. I'll try and read it as well. We'll bring you back and we'll have a book club discussion. Professor Mead, thank you so much for coming on. We really, really appreciate your expertise and your time.
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Walter Russell Mead
Well, thank you.
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Gavin McInnes
All right, guys. On her last day as the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard released a trove of documents regarding the origins of COVID The previously classified emails and documents appear to prove once and for all that Dr. Anthony Fauci spearheaded a massive cover up, pressuring intelligence officials and medical experts to refrain from identifying the Wuhan Lab in China as the most likely origin of the virus. The documents also offer new details into US Funding for gain of function research that allegedly helped create the virus to begin with. Our next guest is a man who has been pushing for answers and accountability for Dr. Fauci for years now. On Capitol Hill, it's Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson. Senator, it's great to have you back. Thanks so much for being here.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Thanks for having me on.
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Gavin McInnes
So I wanna get to the broader cover up, but first, can you just give our audience some context on what we have Learned recently about Dr. Fauci in these newly released files?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, we have now confirmation. We have more evidence of what we've already known or certainly suspected. Anthony Fauci evaded the gain of function moratorium put in place by President Obama. He funded or certainly helped direct funding of gain of function laboratories around the world, including Ukraine. Hunter Biden, by the way, had invested in some of those. We've known for quite some time that because he funded people like Ralph Barrick at University of North Carolina, Peter Dasick, the Bat lady, he was up to this up to his eyeballs. And so when the pandemic struck, which, by the way, he predicted pandemic in 2017, I'm sure he had to be freaking out that he's going to get caught. So he gathered a group of scientists that he had funded in grants and continued to fund with grants. These scientists initial reaction because they knew of the fear and cleavage site, said this is kind of looking like it's man made and whoa, no, we can't allow that to happen. So over the course of a couple of days, the end of January, early February 2020, that completely switched, they came up with this approximate origin falsified paper. And anybody who would even talk about a lab leak man made virus is a complete conspiracy theorist. So we also know that he lied to Congress, that he had no involvement with the Intelligence Committee. No, he salted the intelligence community, the CIA with those same scientists that he had basically changed their opinion because the grant money, what he, what he sent them and what he's gonna send them and got them seated. In the CIA's analysis of was this man made or was this sprang from nature? Of course, they all concluded sprang from nature. So again, thoroughly corrupt. Your listeners should read Bobby Robert F. Kennedy jr's the Real Anthony Fauci. Find out what a criminal he was before the pandemic. But his performance during the pandemic is nothing but lies. Lies and lies cover up what he did in terms of contributing to the creation of that coronavirus and the pandemic that killed millions.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, thanks to the work that you and your colleagues in Senate have done, it now seems that pretty obvious that Dr. Fauci perjured himself when testifying before Congress. So we appreciate the push for transparency there. I want to get to another angle of this story which you called in a new post, quote, the biggest government scandal that legacy newspapers won't touch. It's worth noting this article you wrote was posted on your X account because no major media outlets would agree to run it. So tell us what you've uncovered regarding the government's efforts to suppress information on adverse side effects caused by the COVID vaccine.
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Senator Ron Johnson
So on April 29, I released a report and held a hearing on what we found from 11 million pages of Bobby Kennedy forced his agency to release to my PSI staff. And in those pages we found out that Peter Marks, head of the division within FDA that approves vaccines and is supposed to surveil for safety signals in conjunction with the cdc, was warned that the algorithm they were using to analyze the vaccine adverse event reporting system, vaers, was going to hide and was hiding and masking safety signals 26 days later using a new algorithm. Dr. Anna Charseman, she's the one that warned Peter Marks, showed Senior FDA officials 25 safety signals, including sudden cardiac death, pulmonary infarction, different types of stroke, Bell's palsy. For three consecutive months after that, they kept doing data runs. Because VAERS was deluge with adverse event reports. Right? I mean they had to hire the contractor had to hire 290 additional people just to input the backlog. But for three consecutive months they showed they're doing more data runs and they showed more adverse events, more types of sudden death. And rather than pin a medal on her badge, on her chest, what they did is they shunned her off to the side. They told her to cease and desist. We didn't ask for this data, quit sending us the data. And they continued to use that algorithm they knew was hiding and masking signals. So they go to the American public and say, well, we're just not seeing signals. We couldn't change that algorithm in the middle of a pandemic. That'd be inconsistent. But again they were shown safety signals which they denied. Again, this is happening three months after the emergency use authorization. Something even more despicable. In March of 2021, the NIH was beginning to diagnose and treat severely COVID injection injured individuals, 23 of them in all. And they told them don't talk about this. Of course they didn't because they wanted treatment. Said we're going to finish our study so we can go to the medical community and show them the best guidelines for treating these injection injuries. They never published that until mid-2022 when the injection injured finally started going public. Then all they did is they published about one page on a preprint server and told no one. Like the Grinch, solve world hunger, tell no one. So doctors to this day will dismiss these severe vaccine injuries is anxiety. CDC actually ran a study in 2021, said these neurological symptoms were just anxiety. Yeah, imagine that if you were severely injured, you can't even hug your kids. The neurological pain is so severe people are committing suicide. And you got the CDC saying it's all in your head. It's sick. It's sick what these guys did. And the media won't cover it. Now one major network. This is a story I was on with Major Garrett when he interviewed me of it. Fox News and Fox Business has had hosts like you that interviewed me about this, but they not run it as a news story. And so I finally decided after about seven weeks I was going to publish an 800 word op ed 38 page report. People aren't reading it. So publish 800 words. See if I can't get the Wall Street Journal, who I run a lot of columns with radio silence. Two days they turned me down. The New York Times turned me down. Washington Post didn't even respond. USA Today well tell you seven days even Fox Digital turned us down. So I decided to. And God bless Elon Musk for preserving freedom of speech on X. We self published on X the good news. Now we have. We're just shy of 3 million views of that posting. So people are starting to read about this, but no thanks to the legacy media, who, by the way, is also not covering the Tulsi Gabbard revelation as news either.
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Gavin McInnes
And it's easy to see why those outlets would not want to promote the work that you are doing, because it would mean showing that they were also complicit in vilifying anyone who came forward, smearing them as conspiracy theorists. Anyone who questioned whether the COVID vaccine could have adverse side effects, which we know now, thanks to your work, that it did. I'm interested in. In what sort of consequences these people could face. We know Dr. Fauci was given a blanket pardon by President Biden before leaving office, but some of these other officials who you mentioned in your report, who were telling researchers to cease and desist from publicizing information about these side effects, are there going to be consequences for these people?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, the government protects itself. It protects its employees that does its bidding. So it's gonna be difficult from a standpoint of criminal prosecutions. But our investigation's only begun. I wrote 78 oversight letters. Biden administration gave me nothing. Finally, Bobby Kennedy forced his people in his agencies to turn over these documents. I mean, they didn't want to cooperate, but they finally got the 11 million pages. We had to sift through that. Now we're starting the interviews. And so we've got three seats, we've got the emails. We can ask them very poignant questions. And the first part of accountability is exposure. So these people will be exposed. And again, can we criminally prosecute them? I'll do whatever I can because literally millions of people past that March date suffered adverse events because they weren't given the information they deserve to have to have informed consent. Of course, the JABS also got approved so that President Biden could mandate them to the military, other members of the American public. So again, anybody injured past March, anybody who died and lost a loved one because those injections. 24% of Americans, according to Rasmussen Poll, believe they know somebody who died of the COVID injection. And yet they're still in the state of denial.
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Gavin McInnes
You know, we all know people who were injured by the vaccine. One of my lifelong friends was in the hospital for two weeks. The day after he got the shot. He was told that he had a Lyme disease diagnosis. And then a doctor came in and said, look, I can't say this, it's a vaccine side effect, but I can't say that because, you know, that would cause a huge scandal. We all know people like that. And my final question is, will there ever be a way to make whole, obviously people who have died, there will never be a way. But for people who were vaccine injured because they were mandated either by the government or by their employer to get this shot, will there ever be any way of helping those people out?
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, there's a compensation fund, but it's a joke. It's paid out a few tens of thousands of dollars to people very similar to the Childhood Vaccine Injury Fund. It's very difficult. They don't include additional vaccines where the injuries are pretty obvious. So again, this is going to take some time, but again, people's eyes are being opened up. The silver lining of the pandemic is we started to understand that we cannot trust our federal health agencies. You can't trust Big Pharma. You've got to do your own research. And again, the fact that 24% of Americans think they know somebody died. We all know people who are certainly injured. I know a lot of people who are injured. They can't hide it anymore.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, as hard as they're trying.
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Gavin McInnes
Senator, we appreciate your work in bringing transparency to this important issue. And as you said, it's so important to bring this into the mainstream, even if the mainstream press won't cover it, to bring it out into the open to show people the truth. And I'll end by saying anytime you have an op ed that you're trying to get placed, you know you can bring it to Daily Wire and we'll gladly run it for you.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I appreciate it. Well, post mine right now. We want to get past 3 million views.
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Gavin McInnes
Absolutely. Senator, thank you so much again for your time. You're welcome back anytime.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Take care. Bye.
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Gavin McInnes
That was Senator Ron Johnson from the great state of Wisconsin. Guys, if you're watching Wired in live on the Daily Wire plus app, thank you. If you're on Apple or Spotify, thank you. I love you as well. But the Daily Wire plus app is the best place to watch. That is how you get push alerts when we go live, breaking news as it happens. And also the latest from our investigative reporting team. The Daily Wire app is free and available now on the App Store, Google Play, Apple tv, Roku, Samsung LG and more. Well, last year a North Carolina high school student was accused of vandalism and told she was under police investigation after painting A spirit rock on her campus with a Bible verse and patriotic imagery in honor of Charlie Kirk. But now, thanks to legal defense from Alliance Defending Freedom, that student has been awarded nearly $100,000 following a settlement with the school district. We're joined now by the student in this crazy case, Gabby Stout, and one of the lawyers from her team at adf, Tyson Langhofer. Guys, thank you so much for being here. Gabby, I want to start with you. Take us back to the beginning. Just give us some context on this spirit rock and tell us exactly what you painted.
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Gabby Stout
When Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I wanted to find a way that I could honor his life. And so I decided I was going to paint the school at my rock, which is there for students to paint. It's a large spirit rock at the front of my school, and students are allowed to go and paint messages on it. So the day before painting, I called my school and asked for permission to paint the rock, and I received it. Following the. The day after painting the rock, I. Well, actually, sorry. Within hours of painting the rock, I heard from people that the school had covered up my rock and covered up the message. And within hours, you know, they covered up the live. Like Kirk. John. 11:25. The following day, a message went out to my entire school saying that I committed vandalism, that law enforcement was contacted, and there was an investment, even though there was no policy about the rock and I had permission.
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Gavin McInnes
What sort of message did you hear from the school? When they talked to you directly, what were they saying to you?
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Gabby Stout
The first day coming back to school, I was pulled out of class multiple times and brought down to the office. I was questioned, and I had to write out a statement.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
And.
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Gabby Stout
And, you know, I was really intimidated. I was terrified going to school. I was shaking. I had to go to the bathroom multiple times just to cry because I didn't know what was gonna happen to me, if I was gonna go to jail or if I was gonna get in huge trouble for painting this rock.
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Gavin McInnes
And again, you said it, but it's important for our audience to hear. You went through the proper channels. You asked them if you could do this. You got permission. And I understand in your case, they took your phone. At one point,
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Gabby Stout
they took my phone, went through it to prove that I called the school. And, you know, I was just. I thought it was a huge misunderstanding because I went through the process, like you said, to paint the rock.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. Tyson, what was your reaction when you first heard about this case?
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Tyson Langhofer
I was shocked. Cabot. I mean, you have a school that has a student who follow all the rules. They have a rock that's designed for students to actually paint their expression on. She got permission, but after doing that, they issue a statement to more than 4,000 people accusing her of vandalism and saying they called law enforcement. And then to top that off, the following day, they call her in twice without parental permission while they said that they were under criminal investigation. So when they're questioning her with a criminal investigation pending, they're essentially not even giving her the right to an attorney, the right to her parent, parental permissions, all these things that are required, required by due process. They're engaging in this solely because they disagreed with the message that Gabby put on there. And again, this was an affirming message to live like Kirk, an American who has promoted free speech for everyone across the college campuses. So I've seen a lot of bad cases and a lot of bad action by government officials, but this was one of the worst because Gabby was just trying to do the right thing, and they punished her for doing so. So I was really proud to stand up for her in this case.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, and we're grateful for what you guys do at adf, especially in cases like this. I just. My first reaction beyond shock is I can't help but imagine what sort of other messages would not have elicited this reaction. And if you had painted, you know, pro BLM message or something of that nature. I just don't envision a school administration reacting this way. Tyson, what did the school district say when you were confronting them? When obviously Gabby and her family filed this lawsuit? You guys helped them out. Did the district immediately realize their mistake and back down, or did they try to maintain that they were in the right?
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Tyson Langhofer
Well, thankfully, you know, after we filed the lawsuit there, we spoke with their attorneys, and their attorneys agreed that the school would begin writing a new speech policy. And it wouldn't just be for Gabby's high school. It would be for the entire school district of Charlotte. They were going to write an entirely new speech policy and a new policy for the Spirit Rock. But they also eventually agreed to issue a statement. And in that statement, it was very revealing. They acknowledged that, one, Gabby didn't engage in vandalism, two, she did not violate any school policy. And three, they didn't even contact law enforcement. So in doing so, they essentially acknowledged that their prior statement issued by the superintendent that they contacted law enforcement was untrue. They issued that to everybody accusing her of vandalism and a crime, yet they didn't even report It.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, it seems obvious they were trying to intimidate you. Gabby and I speak on behalf of our audience and the country and just thanking you for not rolling over and for standing firm in your convictions. What is your message to other students who might be facing similar persecution for sharing their faith and their patriotic beliefs?
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Gabby Stout
I would say to other students to be bold. I went through this huge process, which has been really hard, but, you know, we settled and we won, but it's so that this doesn't happen to another student. And so I would say be bold, which is what Charlie Kirk wanted students to be able to do, and defend your beliefs.
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Gavin McInnes
It's a beautiful message. And have you heard from other students around the country, students who you've never met but saw your story and wanted to talk with you?
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Gabby Stout
I got a lot of hate after Painting the Rock, but I heard even more from people who support me. And I've gotten thousands of messages saying that I've encouraged them to stand up or to not be afraid to act out in their faith. And so I have gotten a lot of messages that are positive.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. Well, I hope those are the ones that you take with you. And just know that we appreciate what you've done here so much, Gabby, and you should be proud. And, Tyson, we appreciate the work that you do, and we love ADF alliance spending. Freedom just does such fantastic work protecting the bedrock of our country, protecting free speech, free expression, freedom of religion. Guys, thank you so much to both of you for sharing your story. Congratulations on this legal victory. I'm sorry it came to this, but, Gabby, we're proud of you for what you did.
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Gabby Stout
Thank you.
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Gavin McInnes
All right, guys, that was Tyson Langhofer from adf, and Gabby Stout, courageous high school student down in North Carolina. Just an inspiring story. Let's get to Daily Wire DC Bureau chief Tim Rice for a little rice and beans. Tim, I'll have you know that I talked to one of our fantastic audience members. He sent me a message on Twitter, Keith. Keith Moore.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
There you go.
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Gavin McInnes
Keith Moore. He sent me a message and said, hey, I was in the grocery store and I saw a sign. It said rice and beans. And I immediately thought of Tim Rice spilling the beans on the show. So look at this. We're spreading nationwide.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Wow. Look at that. We've infiltrated the consciousness. I love to see it. Thank you, Keith. That's huge.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. So, Tim, let's get to James Tallarico. Our audience will remember he is the Democratic Senate candidate down in Texas facing off with Ken Paxton in a race that is Going to be, it looks like very close a poll out today with Ken Paxton up one point but within the margin of error. Talarico had some new comments leak. I'm just gonna play this clip for everyone for what he had to say about Christianity.
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Walter Russell Mead
Yeah, and that's, you know, I always think of myself as a Christian who hates Christianity, right.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
And like I always get, always get
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Walter Russell Mead
drawn back into it.
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Gavin McInnes
I will, I'll add a little note there. Sometimes there are Christians who will say, you know, Christianity is not a religion, it's a relationship. And we know the context of what they're saying. They're saying, you know, that they feel very deeply about Christianity. This in the full context did not necessarily seem to be that sort of message. What do you think?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Yeah, I mean, you know, judging from that, the context of the conversation and just everything else that we know about Talarico and his religious beliefs, such as they are, this seems to be, you know, his kind, kind of intentionally provocative, too clever by half way of expressing what we've come to find from sort of liberal Christians, especially those who seek office for the Democratic Party. Right. We saw this certainly with Joe Biden, with Kamala Harris, with all of these people, right. Where it's Christianity to them is just what if we all got along and if you ask them, naturally Jesus and all Christian churches want, want open borders, access to abortion, trans surgeries for the kids. Believe it or not, the true Christian teaching to these politicians is identical with the DNC party platform. So this is not that surprising of a statement if you really kind of parse it. This is what Democrats who try to trade on their so called Christian faith have been talking like for the past 20 years at least. What is shocking is the way he phrased it. And again, I almost don't want to dwell on it too much because you get the sense with this guy that he's sort of, before he was trying to seem normal during this race, he was always trying to seem edgy, right. Look at me, I'm not a regular pastor. I'm a cool pastor. I can say things like I hate Christianity, but it just goes to show, right? I mean this is, you know, even taking the actual faith stuff out of it, right? This is what James Talarico, you know, again, he's a political type, the kind of person who tries to be as provocative as possible as he's climbing the ladder. And then now that he has a chance at some real national power and a national stage and spotlight, he's trying to rapidly reverse all that which is why he's trying to bury all these comments and his guru who taught him that God is trans and all this other nonsense. So shocking and surprising. Yes, but par for the course given what we've already seen coming from James Talarico.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, again, worth pointing out those comments on Christianity should not be all that surprising from a man who has said that, yeah, God is. What was it? God is multi gendered or God is trans or something disgusting and completely heretical. Let's get to speaking of disgusting, let's get to Grant Platner. We've got some additional social media comments that the Daily Wire reported on this week. When you are someone who is prolific as a poster on social media, it's Grant Platner. It's impossible to delete all of your social media history. He's got some additional comments talking about necrophilia, talking about bestiality. What more have we learned about Ol Grammy? P.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
I don't look, I have to say. So this is a piece, an exclusive scoop discovery by our colleague, our buddy Editor in chief, Brent Scher. And Brent says at the beginning of the piece he writes something along the lines of, I don't normally start pieces like this, but I have to say this is going to contain some truly foul and degenerate language. So consider yourself warned. And I echo that sort of unprecedented first person narrative. We can't really even talk about this joke. The context is Graham Blattner P Hustle, as he was known on Reddit, which is where this joke was published, and also of course, what he was known as on Kick, the Child Predator paradise app that he happened to have a dating profile on. It was in response to a thread that said, all right, everybody, tell us your most twisted joke. And so P Hustle, Graham Plattner.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, we don't have to say. We don't have to say the exact joke, but just broad brushstrokes.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
I was just gonna say a man who many people in the Democratic Party want to be the next senator from Maine responded with what is probably the most disgusting thing that I've ever read. To call it a joke really stretches the bounds of even what risque humor is. And once again, like everything else that we've learned about Grant Platner, from the affairs to the sketchy dating profiles to the Nazi tattoo, this is just one more window into who this guy is. And yeah, he's told us who he is, came off of this story and gave a press conference today where he boasted that thanks to Planned Parenthood, he's Been able to get STD tests. So, you know, main values right there, I guess, is what he wants you to think.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, it says something when comments like the one that he's made come to light. They're like the fourth or fifth, fifth worst scandal for his campaign. It says something about the guy himself. Let's get now to another just hero of mine, mainly because she handed Donald Trump the White House in 2024. Kamala Harris. She was asked recently about the Electoral College by Don Lemon, another American hero. Let's hear what she had to say about the Electoral College.
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Cabot Phillips
I think that there is some real
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Walter Russell Mead
shaking up that we have to do
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Cabot Phillips
of the rules and the structure and
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Senator Ron Johnson
is that get rid of the Electoral College.
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Gavin McInnes
I think that should be a discussion
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Cabot Phillips
that we should have. I don't think we should eliminate that as a point of discussion.
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Gavin McInnes
Tim, do you think she's doing the thing here where she knows that her far left base wants to abolish the Electoral College and she's trying to throw them a bone, or do you think that she's serious and that she doesn't want to come out and make headlines by saying that's what she wants?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Well, I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's absolutely her trying to appease the far left wing of the party, which is she thinks she's going to need to attract if she ever runs for president again. Of course, this is typical Democrat strategy. Forget about all the people who didn't vote for you in the last election, which you lost. Right. Middle Americans, people who sort of lean a little bit more conservative, who aren't so enamored with radical leftism as the base. But no, let's definitely keep. I encourage Kamala to keep courting those voters. Do I think that she thinks it. I don't know. I don't really know if Kamala Harris believes everything, anything. I don't really know if Democrat politicians at that level believe anything. Look, I mean, I do think, right, that it's kind of what we know for sure is that Kamala Harris, like Joe Biden, like all sorts of other prominent Democrats, espouse kind of what we can broadly call living constitutionalism. Right. Which is the idea that rather than trying to interpret the Constitution as it was written or what the framers wanted or what its ultimate meaning is, the meaning changes based on what we know. And again, much like James Calarico's God, the meaning of the Constitution just so happens these days to be exactly what the DNC wants. And so once you sort of accept that, then it's easy to say, why shouldn't we have 20 justices on the Supreme Court? Why shouldn't we have. Why shouldn't we abolish, Abolish the Electoral College? Why shouldn't we change term limits or abolish age requirements to run for president? Any of the things that are fundamental to the functioning of this government as outlined in the United States Constitution. Once you accept and you purport that the Constitution can just sort of be changed based on progress, vague ideas of progress, anything's on the table.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah. All in the name of progress. Tim, I want to get to one final story before we let you go up. In New York, Zora Mamdani has endorsed a number of socialist candidates to run for Congress. The primaries are this evening. This is going to tell us a lot about Zorra Mandani's power in getting these folks to Washington. He would have some allies in New York City. Do we expect any of these candidates to win and to take out some Democratic incumbents?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
It's super interesting. So the one race that I am particularly watching of the two is Brad Lander, who is the current comptroller of New York City, who ran against Mamdani in the Democrat mayoral primary. He is a radical Democrat socialist who is challenging Representative Dan Goldman, who is one of the more reasonable Democrats that we have in Congress. Specifically, in recent months, Goldman has emerged as possibly the lone voice of sanity among House Democrats on Israel and antisemitism. So of course, Brad Lander, who even when he was running to be mayor of New York, spent all of his time talking about how AIPAC and Israel are evil. Of course he got Mamdani's endorsement. Will the people of New York's 10th congressional district send him to Congress? His office has been defaced with anti Semitic graffiti in recent weeks. This is obviously both a terrible but unfortunately more common thing that we've seen and as we've discussed on this show before, Cabot, these are things that unfortunately are not out of the Democratic mainline right now. So, as you said, I mean, I think there's a good chance that these folks can ride this sort of Mamdani coattails or that the endorsement will help. I think there was a good chance that at least Lander was sort of well on his way to getting this job, regardless of whether or not Mamdani had weighed in. And I think, yeah, we're gonna have to wait and see. And it could tell us a lot about the midterms, about Mamdani's endorsement power in the party. But let's keep our powder dry until the polls close and we'll see how New Yorkers decide to vote.
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Gavin McInnes
Yeah, it wasn't that long ago when AOC first came into office in what was that, 2018, folks were shocked that an avowed socialist was going to Washington. And now just eight years later, it seems like a bi weekly occurrence where you've got a new democratic socialist. Socialist. We don't have to say the democratic part winning an election. So things have changed very quickly. Tim Rice, always a pleasure to have you, man. Thanks so much.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Thanks Gavin.
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Gavin McInnes
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