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Well, good evening everybody, and welcome to Wired In. I'm Cabot Phillips coming to you live from Daily Wire hq. It is primary day in states across the country and Democrats appear ready to nominate even more socialists to the midterm ballot. We'll get you up to speed on all the biggest races. Yet another AI system has gone rogue as some American cities have begun using AI for answering 911 calls. We're we'll tell you the latest on the AI front. And the WNBA is once again dealing with a race related controversy. We've got violent fouls, accusations of white privilege, and now former NBA players announcing their intention of playing in the wnba. Maybe I should sign up too. And of course stick around until the end of the show for our live listener Q and A. It is my favorite part of the program because I love getting to hear from all of you lovely people. If you're on Spotify or Apple and you want to join, you got to go sign up right now@dailywire.com all right, it is time. Roll that graphic. And again, just a reminder, Wired in is now streaming live at 4pm Eastern Monday through Thursday. Get your daily coverage of the news happening right now here why it all matters and talk with experts who are actually in the story. Become a member and join the live chat@dailywire.com subscribe. All right, let's kick things off in D.C. with our good friend Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. Mary Margaret, great to have you back. How we doing?
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Great to be here, Cabot.
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All right, we gotta start with this wild report that came out yesterday from the Washington Post regarding President Trump's alleged use of a decoy plane while traveling abroad last month. What is going on there?
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Yeah, Cabot, this is a crazy story involving details from July 8, the day that the president was heading back from the NATO summit in Turkey. So what we thought happened was that he boarded the old Air Force One. And if you remember, there was controversy over taking the old Air Force One versus the new Air Force One. Legacy media was very, very curious about why each plane was being used or not used and making a huge fuss about it. Well, we have video footage showing the president boarding the old Air Force One, all the press had already boarded. They were told to close their window shades, and what they thought happened was everyone returned home together. But what the Washington Post reported yesterday is that actually after the President boarded, he waved to the cameras, he went inside, he proceeded straight across the plane to get onto a catering truck, which then lowered to the ground and drove him a little bit across that Runway to another plane, a C37, I believe, where he was loaded on very secretly and discreetly, and he took that plane home instead. Now, Pete Hegseth boarded that plane in plain sight. Anyone who could have seen him, anyone who wanted to see him could have. But this was a very specific play, Cabot, because what we're told now, according to the Washington Post, is that there was a threat to the president from Iran, an assassination threat. And that was why the White House chose to carry out this departure in this way, essentially making the old Air Force One a decoy of sorts, filled with White House staff and the press that had accompanied the President on this trip to NATO. Now, there's not been confirmation on this point from the White House. I actually reached out to them last night and asked about this story. And instead of confirming or denying, I was given a statement from Stephen Cheung and from the Air Force about how safe the new Air Force One is and why it's safe for the President to travel in. And this is what most other reporters received as well. So this is a really interesting development, Cabot. The Washington Post sourced their story to a US official, a person with knowledge of the President's movements and confirming documents. So as far as we know, it appears that the story is true and the White House isn't going to confirm it, but for security reasons. But just a wild story on so many levels and concerning, I'd say that a U.S. official is now leaking it to the Washington Post.
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I know this is a very serious story, but I don't think I'm the only one wondering if President Trump on that catering truck was like breaking into the stash of Biscoff cookies. Was he eating peanuts? I don't know. These are the things I wonder. But you've flown on Air Force One many times when you fly with the President, typically, do you know when he's on the plane? In other words, had you heard from reporters who were on this specific trip who said, yeah, something seemed weird on the way back?
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Well, no one said that they thought the President wasn't on the plane, but the window shades did tip people off a little bit that something was up, because we get what we call pool reports. So the reporters that are on the trips that the President send us reports every time the President speaks or moves. So we always know what's happening. And I remember that night we got a report saying that they had been told by the Secret Service to lower their window shades. And I remember texting our team and saying that's a little sus because we don't often hear that. We assumed it was something to do with security flying over dangerous parts of the Middle East. But now we know that the Secret Service told them to do that, allegedly because the President was being moved in a catering truck to another plane and they didn't want anyone to see. Now, as far as I know, Cabot, that's never happened when I was on Air Force One, but maybe it did and we just don't know. And no one was supposed to know about this specific incident either. So that is only revealed to the public because anonymous official leaked to the Washington Post.
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I always take anonymous officials leaking to outlets like the Washington Post with a boulder of salt, but in this case, the White House response them not necessarily denying the story. Typically, if there's a story in the legacy press that they find false, they will immediately come out and deny it. Has the fact that they have not outright denied it has that seemed to give an indication that this is a true story?
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I would say so. And I think across the spectrum, most outlets are reporting this, including the Daily Wire, as if it is true. Obviously we're hedging and you know, including that this is the Washington Post reporting it, which like you said, should be taken with a boulder of salt. But the fact that the White House isn't denying it and the fact that they are sending actually statements in response without denying is a pretty good indicator to me that this story at least holds water and they don't really want to acknowledge it.
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B
Yeah. One final thing before we go. Today marks the one year anniversary since President Trump declared a crime emergency in the nation's capital and started his effort to clean up the city. It's been a year. What have we seen since? What have the results been?
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Mayor MARGARET Well, Kabba, if you live in Washington D.C. you know that the results have been actually fantastic. You know, as a woman who lives in Washington D.C. and someone with many girlfriends and sisters in the city, it feels so much safer to walk around here, especially at night. The President loves to joke about how all the women at the White House thank him over and over for cleaning the city up. But I got some stats here for you. That I pulled up really quickly. There's been 35 homicide suspects apprehended over the last year. More than 100 known gang members taken off the streets. Over 3200 narcotics arrests and 25 missing children located and returned home. And then nearly 2000 illegal firearms seized. And that's not even including statistics on how many monuments have been cleaned up, how Union Station has been spiffed up, the different criminals. Mississippi, 13 gang members who have been apprehended. So it truly has been a fantastic year for the swamp. And I think we should all be grateful.
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Yeah. I was walking around the city for the first time in a few months this past weekend, and there were fountains. I lived in D.C. for six years, and there were fountains that I did not even know existed. I'd never noticed them. And the water was flowing. And the other stats that I think are just so important here, monumental, if you will. Homicides down by 45% this year. Carjacking's down by 64%. Robberies 33%. And President Trump has said before that crime is oftentimes a choice. It's a choice of politicians to allow it to happen and to not prosecute it. And we are seeing the results. Hard to deny that there has been progress in D.C. mary Margaret, we're glad you feel safer walking around at night. That is always good to hear because we love having you report on the show anytime we can get you. Mary Margaret, great as always to have you.
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Thank you for having me.
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That was Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. All right, let's bring on our next guest. It is former Assistant Attorney General Theo Wold. Theo, great to have you back, sir.
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Good to be with you, Kevin. Thanks for having me.
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B
I'm a big fan of your work. And all week I've been seeing just great posts of yours and wanting to pick your brain on them. So let's jump around a little bit. How about we start with the latest effort from the White House to try and crack down on the number of visas issued to white collar foreign workers. Big picture, what are we looking at? What is this crackdown entailing?
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Yeah, I think it's largely a regulatory effort. It's a credit to Joe Edloe, the director of uscis, which is the agency at DHS responsible for issuing legal visas, especially those workforce visas like the H1B or the J1, which is for au pairs and rich neighborhoods in New York or Malibu, but also summer work travel visas that are used at summer camps, camps and ski slopes in the Winter. All of these visas taken together are an enormous administrative burden for the government to actually vet the applicants, process them, and then get them into the labor market. But as we've increasingly seen over the last 10, 15, 20 years, they create a direct market competition for American workers. And in many instances, these are jobs that Americans would love to have, but in fact, they are not either advertised to American workers or the disjunction really occurs at the point of hiring, where employers prefer to have foreign labor take these positions. So what the administration's trying to do is, through regulations, either impose fines, create a tighter window for these visas so you can't stay as long in the country, or that renewal isn't automatic. It's contingent on a review of who you are and what you've done since you've been in the country. I think these are all good things. But I'll say, Cabot, I mean, the proof is in the pudding. We've had efforts like this before. We had something similar discussed in 45, and then the billionaires came calling, and then the lobbyists from the different trade associations and different industries complained, and the next thing you know, it got whittled down to essentially nothing. So I think we need to wait and see if the administration is actually going to roll these out in full, regardless of what industry insiders claim or complain about.
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Yeah, I think that's been one of the things that a lot of folks on the right who are more restrictionist when it comes to immigration have been frustrated by. They say, hey, a lot of times the administration talks a big game about restricting foreign workers coming to the US and we don't always see the results. And if you look at the number of H1B visas during President Trump's first term, if you look at them, the rate that we've got in the second term, there hasn't been as much of a decrease as many folks on the right would like to see. Why is that? Why does the administration, for all the wonderful things they're doing on forced deportations of criminals, why is this an issue where they seem to be out of line with the base?
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Yeah, I mean, honestly, I think in part it's just an addiction that all of D.C. has. I mean, it's not just the administration, it's Congress. There really is this sort of built in belief that these are jobs that Americans can't do, won't do, or aren't talented enough to do. And that lie has really been perpetuated over decades. Now, if you recall, the H1B was created in the late 1980s, early 1990s as a short term fix for a labor cris. And one of the things I love to point out is look for years folks like Brad Smith, the former CEO of Microsoft, and other leaders in Silicon Valley would say, well, eventually we'll break ourselves of these short term labor visa addictions because we will have invested in STEM education and we'll have American young people who will have the skill sets ready to take these positions in our economy. That was 30 years ago. And American young people took the injunction. They said, okay, we will study stem. And they've excelled. If you look at most of the comparative studies, you know, testing across the metrics from mathematics, hard sciences, American young people beat the pants off of their co equal cohorts in India or in China. And yet Silicon Valley firms, large banks, most of Wall street, many of these places that rely on H1Bs continue to ignore American STEM graduates. So I think it's an addiction cabinet that people just don't want to free themselves of. And it's based on this lie that Americans somehow, who invented the modern world, right, everything from the microchip to the transistor radio was the product of American genius. That somehow Americans aren't capable of contributing to their own advanced economy. It's a lie and it's an addiction. And I really do hope the administration follows through on some of these very sensible regulations because it's time that Americans get these opportunities, not their foreign competitors.
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One more question on this topic. We've had folks who defend the H1B program on the show, and their response has been, look, American businesses should be able to hire whomever they choose. If they find it more profitable to employ foreign workers, there shouldn't be government regulation stopping them. They say, hey, the president should be listening to business leaders on this topic. Your response?
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Yeah, my response is very simple. It's called the rule of law. American corporations and companies benefit from our court system, from the benefits that stem from the protection of their IP under our law. And most of them, I mean, there's a whole company founded by two Irish twins, the Collison brothers, that allows for what they call incorporation in a box. They'll sell it to any company in the world. So they get, you know, a tax identification number in Delaware and are protected by Delaware chancery laws. So if you don't want the American people weighing in on who gets to be hired in this country in our own backyard, then go incorporate in India, go incorporate in China, rely on the IP laws of Singapore, of Yemen, And I'll tell you, most of these companies don't want to do business in places like that because they understand the great advantage of having a free enterprise. And, you know, market driven business in the United States is our law, and that's determined by the American people.
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All right, let's switch gears, Theo. There's been a major effort this week from folks like AOC and others on the far left to kind of downplay things that they supported during the BLM riots and COVID lockdowns. They're calling it Woke 1.0 and kind of laughing it off. If, in their view, Woke one is dead, in your view, what do the current and future iterations of WOKE look like?
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Yeah, and I think this is a shrewd play on the part of the left. I really do think there are too many people, even friends of ours, Cabot, who really downplay the shrewd, almost Machiavellian insight of some of these new characters on the far left. Whether it's El Sayed in Michigan or AOC in New York. I think the move that they're making is to use humor and sarcasm and to say, oh my gosh, yeah, that was ridiculous. What a fever dream that was. We're so past that. And I think Woke 2.0 will be the use of organized mob efforts again. You'll see demonstrations, protests. The shock troops of the left try to enforce their will against free enterprise. Small businesses, small police departments, county governments. And I think stage three, which is in the offing, will be when the government then uses its full power, the federal government, to back the mobs themselves. I think Woke 1.0 may be something we can all laugh at now, but as we're seeing in places like Virginia or even New Jersey, where the two female governors ran as moderates, Mickey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger. And then as soon as they took office, they moved into this new stage where they're actually using government power to expropriate property, to foreclose Second Amendment rights, and to hammer churches and homeschool parents, anyone who's operating out of the direct control of the government. So I think people should take this seriously. And AOC is, as much as we may laugh her on the far right, you know, and say that she's something of a cartoon character, I really do think that AOC is quite shrewd. And what she's saying is 1.0 is done. That's complete. The baseline has been established. We're going to be moving into a new phase.
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You mentioned Abdul said, I Want to play one of the clips that he is certain to be running away from in the coming days that just came out this week of him talking about football. And then get your take. Let's roll that tape.
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Football is very much associated with a particularly masculine and oftentimes toxically masculine culture. And so much of it was about, you wanted to be able to get back up and play for your team, and you really aren't allowed to show pain or vulnerability.
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That's part of the sport. That's the only reason that I stopped playing after high school. I was gonna go to the NFL, but I said, you know, I'm not allowed to show my vulnerabilities, so why should I even continue playing football? You've said that these far left candidates have no appreciation for American culture itself and no appreciation for our norms. Can you elaborate on that?
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Yeah, look, I think this is obvious. Many of them are the children of first generation immigrants. They have no historical continuity. They couldn't tell you who Daniel Webster is, let alone who Michael Dukakis is. I mean, their vision of the cultural landscape of America begins maybe in 1996. So the idea that they would have any views on Bart Starr or Johnny Unitis or the great football heroes of the early phases of the NFL, they don't even know who those people are. So you're trying to debate historical context, you're trying to debate cultural issues relative to the length of our nation's history with people who arrived just yesterday. And I think this is evidence in the fact that you've got a candidate for governor in Wisconsin who says she hates Thanksgiving. You have El Sayed saying he hates football. Talarico hates barbecue. They are individuals who have very little love for the country. And look, the proof of that is it's reflected in their policies. These are people who want to destroy the U.S. supreme Court. They want to abolish the United States Senate. They want to do away with the electoral college. The one thing they all have in common is the revolutionaries. And Mao hated Chinese contemporary culture when he came to power. Pol Pot hated contemporary culture in Cambodia. Revolutionaries are always critics of the country and the culture that they seek to rule. And this is no different with this latest crop of far left candidates.
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B
Theo, it is always a pleasure having you on. You're welcome here anytime, my friend. Thank you so much for being here.
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E
Thanks for having me.
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I'm good. You know you mean it?
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B
I do mean it. All right. A lot of political news going on today. It's primary day in Minnesota, Wisconsin, South Carolina. Let's start in Wisconsin because Democrats there are about to elect what might be the most radical candidate we've seen this entire cycle. That's not hyperbole. Francesca Hong. Tell us about good old Francesca up in Wisconsin. What is she running on?
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Yeah, look, she's. I mean, she's insane. The big ones that Theo just mentioned that are getting all the attention. She hates Thanksgiving, which is like viral, and that goes viral. But the real policy positions she has are just as insane. She wants to take the highest tax bracket in Wisconsin from I think about like somewhere between 3 and 5% to 17.5%. That is state income tax on top of what's already happening federal. She wants to, you know, ban ice. She wants abolish prisons, abolish basically everything. She's talked about abolishing the U.S. senate. She is way, way out there. She's so out there that Bernie Sanders wants nothing to do with her. The Democrat Party of Wisconsin, which is not some moderate party. They want nothing to do with her. The current governor of Wisconsin, which is a Democrat governor, his name is Tony Evers, he thinks that she is going to have a very difficult time getting elected in the state because of the things she said on Twitter. He, in a quote the other day, said she's just way too online. They're running a more establishment candidate in Wisconsin, but that candidate is most likely based on the polls. And again, polls can be very wrong. They're very wrong in Michigan, where they thought El Sayed was going to win by, you know, 15 points. He ended up winning by one or two. The polls tonight show Francesca is gonna win by 18, 19 points. If she does, Democrats in Wisconsin are in huge trouble.
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Yeah. If you look at the prediction markets right now, Francesca Hong is a 20 to 1 favorite.
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Yeah.
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And again, we're talking about someone who is so radical. She lamented the fact that her own child was half white. And she said that she had to grapple with the whiteness of her child because for all of her hatred of white people, as with many women on the far left, she did marry a white man. She said she has to grapple with the whiteness of her own child. You mentioned something that I think is very interesting here. Aoc, Bernie Sanders. They have not endorsed Francesca Hong despite her socialist credentials. We have not seen folks like Hassan Piker and Mila Quiros, the Democratic Socialist who won in Colorado, they have not campaigned with Francesca Hong. What do you make of that? What should the takeaway be? Is it showing that some of these Democratic socialists are actually pretty smart politically to not tie themselves to some of these truly insane radicals?
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Yeah.
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You know, for aoc, who we've seen over the past week, kind of exhibiting the blatant signs that she realizes she needs to moderate a little, there's some polling data that I was just looking at from our friends at Signal Polling on how, you know, these crazy Far left positions are actually losing favor with the 18 to 29 crowd that at one point made them so popular. That is why you have AOC kind of stiff arming Francesca Hong and saying stiff arming all of Woke one, which is this new term that she's coined. But I think it's funny because her and Bernie Sanders were kind of the champions of Woke 1. I don't think there's anybody more connected with the Woke era than AOC, who led the squad, who was kind of this public voice for all this stuff. I mean, she's the one who told everybody that we needed the Green New Deal because the world was going to end in 12 years. It's only been eight years, but now she's freezing her eggs. So I don't think she actually thinks the world's gonna end in 12 years anymore. But look, they're moderating, and it's because they see what's happening in the country. They see the numbers. And also, this midterm election is very different than midterm elections in the past. All that redistricting we've talked about all year, the result is there are less races we're fighting over, and they're even in even more competitive and moderate districts. You do not want a Franchesca Hong pulling you down when you're trying to convince middle of the road former Trump voters that it's just been too crazy and you should vote Democrat. No, no, no. You want to be like, hey, yeah, we understand a lot of what Trump's saying. Immigration is a big problem, but Democrats know that now.
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Yeah. And the clearest example of this attempt at moderation was this week where Alexandria Acosta Cortez had an interview on abc. Here's what she had to say about some of her past WOKE statements.
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I have a local city councilman that has this saying, Woke one was crazy. I think that during this time and during, especially during COVID there was a huge opening of the overtone window. We were shut down. There was some of the highest unemployment rates that we have seen because of those shutdowns. And I think that the doors were really open in trying to entertain any and every policy that was going to get us to a better place.
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I saw someone say online that these are the same people who tried to talk as if slavery and Jim Crow were basically yesterday. But 2020, I mean, that is just so far in the past. We can all move on from that. It is a bit ironic. Do you think it works?
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AOC is a good saleswoman. I don't Think it works for the party. And the real reason is because whether she believes it politically, a huge swath of the party and it's the more influential swath of the party still agrees with all that stuff in Woke 1. Mamdani is not turning the page from Woke 1. He's going. He's putting all that into action in New York City. And he's one of the most popular Democrats in the country. What I think is funny about all this is AOC and those WOKE one champions dragged Joe Biden into all this mess because in 2020, Bernie Sanders in the woke crowd was actually beating Joe Biden at the polls. And then Biden kind of adopted all their policies. Joe Biden did not run as a Moderate in the 2020 primary at all. So they kind of infected the Democrat party with all their beliefs. And now that the Democrat Socialists of America, the dsa, are in charge, in my opinion. Now AOC is trying to moderate. Good strategy for her going into 2028 when she's gonna be dealing with Gavin Newsom and Jon Ossoff in Georgia.
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B
Mark Kelly.
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F
Yeah. I mean, that's who she's gonna have to beat. She clearly is getting that message. This is not just some change of heart for aoc. Everything is calculated.
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B
Yeah. You are an expert on all things political, as I would hope the editor in chief of the Daily Wire is. But really, you're an expert on the National Football League and also your New York Jets. Before we go, training camp is open. Do you have any hope this year for New York Jets? I can answer it for you. You shouldn't.
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F
I always do. I always have hope for my teams. We had a interesting little practice today with the Buccaneers. Geno Smith threw a couple of interceptions. No fun. Doesn't sound like it, but we got some good players. Number two overall pick in draft. Look, I don't think we're going to win the Super Bowl. I think Geno probably gets us seven to nine wins. Maybe you sneak into the playoffs, have a little fun. But look, we still got Garrett Wilson. We still got Breeze Hall. We got some fun players. Got a defensive end. Yeah, it'll be fun.
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B
Season hope springs eternal. There you go, Brent. Share the eternal optimist. And at least you got the New York Knicks to fall back on. If this season goes the way that I personally think it will for you. Brent Scherr, thanks as always for being on, man.
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F
Of course.
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B
All right. We just talked about some of the big primaries going on today. So let's bring on one of the candidates Looking to punch their ticket to the general election in November, it is Michael Alfonso, the Republican hoping to become the youngest member of Congress by winning the race to represent Wisconsin's 7th congressional district. Michael, great to have you on, man.
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G
Thanks so much for having me.
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B
So I want to get to the political side of this race, but I got to start on a personal note. Your wife just had Yalls first child this summer. I've got two young kids at home, so I know the sleep deprivation of a newborn. How the heck are you campaigning right now?
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G
You know, honestly with the campaign, it's so busy, I hardly ever sleep. So now someone's awake with me. So it's actually been kind of a blessing.
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B
Yeah, I like that positive spin. You say, okay, yeah, I'm gonna be awake. Anyway. Let's get to your race. What is the biggest issue right now for your race specifically?
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G
Oh, 100%. It's affordability. And it's my number one priority that I've been campaigning on. You know, making family. Families have an easier time here in Wisconsin helping our seniors. But really, you know, I want young people to be able to afford their first home, start their families and build a life here in the northwoods of Wisconsin, which is the greatest place to do it. And President Trump has been working very, very hard with his tax cuts, but we gotta make them permanent. That way Wisconsinites keep more of their hard, hard earned money.
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B
You mentioned President Trump. He has not only endorsed your campaign, he's offered a lot of endorsements for candidates, but he's actually gone out and done work for your campaign. There was a telerally that he held on your behalf last night. What sort of impact has the President had on your race?
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I mean, it's huge. He won this district by 22 points in 2024. And you know, truthfully, President Trump, one of the most amazing things about him is his loyalty. When he decides, hey, this is my guy, he will go to bat for you no matter what it is. He is the hardest working person probably in the United States. The guy doesn't sleep.
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B
Yeah, he doesn't sleep because he's working constantly. You guys have that in common. You don't sleep either from campaigning and from raising a newborn. I am interested though, in what the message is. Running as a Republican when Republicans right now already control both chambers of Congress. If you look at polling, voters in both parties are not happy with the job that Congress is doing. They want change. So what do you think that Congress should be doing differently and what would you push for that is different from what Congress is doing right now?
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G
Well, basically, Congress is fighting President Trump's agenda tooth and nail at every step of the way. Look no further than the SAVE Act. We've been pushing it for months and we can't get it through. Congress just needs to actually codify some of Donald Trump's executive orders. I mean, President Trump has been working to bring back oil production to the United States. If we would have gotten that done before all of this conflict in Iran, our gas prices wouldn't be skyrocketing right now.
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Where are you on Iran? What do you think that the United States should be pushing for? Are you more on the side of let's go back in and let's try and do our best to fully obliterate them, or are you more someone who's pushing for the US to take a peace deal and just get out of there as quickly as possible?
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You know, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. That is the first and foremost, full stop. But, you know, I look at these conflicts and I say the Middle east has been having problems since the dawn of humanity. I don't know that the United States is going to suddenly bring peace there. I'd love to work towards it, but, you know, I would love to see us start working our way out of it. And, you know, we can never allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. We can never allow an adversary like that to have a nuclear weapon. But that's. I think President Trump is taking the right attitude towards this. Where we push for peace, we'll work with anyone, but we are not gonna be taken advantage of.
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Michael, if elected, you would be the first Gen Z Republican in Congress. I've talked with a lot of young people who feel that politicians in both parties just don't fully understand the challenges they're facing right now. And I know a lot of young people who are frustrated and they feel like they're not taken seriously. How are you reaching those young voters? Gen zers in particular?
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Yeah, it's talking about the issues they care about. They only care about, really two things. How am I gonna afford a home and how am I gonna have a job where I can support a family? And you know, the left, they have that sexy pitch of free stuff. Well, my grandparents came here from Cuba, so I know exactly what the free stuff pitch costs. It costs your entire country. If we're gonna protect the American dream here in Wisconsin and across the United States, we need to get back to cutting government spending, smaller governments, so that it gets out of the way of business. And, you know, that's why I think President Trump's tariffs are a great step. It's bringing back manufacturing right here in my district. And the people across the state are saying, you know, it's working so well that we're actually having issues keeping up with demand.
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Michael, I do want to give you a chance now to respond to some of the attacks that are coming your way, including from the Republicans that you're running against. There are those on the right calling you a Nepo baby. They're referring to your father in law, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. How do you respond to those allegations?
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Well, you know, Sean represented this exact district extremely well. He's actually the person that flipped it from a 40 year incumbent. Democrat Sean Duffy served this district extremely well. But when it comes to nepotism, I'm not gonna sit here and apologize for marrying my middle sweetheart. I'm going to tell you what I've done. I put 60,000 miles on my car just in the campaign months, which was about 11 months up to now. You know, I've been meeting every single voter across the entire district. And this is the biggest district east of the Mississippi. I'm the hardest working one in the race and I have energy of a young person, but the values of faith and freedom that everyone here cares about.
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B
All right, your middle school sweetheart. I got to hear a little more about this. What was the first date? What does a middle school first date look like?
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You know, it was so long ago, I don't even really remember what the first date was. But I can tell you, we used to go to a lot of the different fairs that we've been campaigning at. So we'll have funny stories along the trail, like, oh, remember when we went on that Ferris wheel?
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I love whenever someone asks me the lore of my marriage. If I don't remember, I'd say ask my wife. She's the one that knows all of that. And so maybe we can ask Evita and she can give us the exact story. Cause I know a lot of times wives are better at the origin stories than us men. You mentioned earlier this rise of socialism and that is happening in Wisconsin, which is surprising, I think, to a lot of people who assume it's only in these deep blue cities. It's nowhere more evident than the campaign of Francesca Hong, who looks like she is going to become the gubernatorial nominee tonight. What do you make of her rise?
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You know, I think it's young people struggling. They were hit with the worst inflation crisis in 40 years from President Joe Biden and they're looking for alternatives right now. Francesca Hong is that young Democrat who's promising free stuff. Well, I'm the young Republican on the other side, and I'm saying, look, conservative values actually lead to happiness. I got married at 22. I already have a baby. You gotta go out there and have figures out there that are showing there's an alternative. Hard work does pay off. The American dream is still there. But we need to make sure that our legislators are making it easier because Gen Z is the first generation that's actually worse off than their parents.
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I wanna play a clip of Francesca Hong trying to distance herself from some of the past takes that she'd had about saying that Thanksgiving should be canceled. Not like metaphorically, but that Americans should literally stop celebrating Thanksgiving. She said that we should abolish prisons and supported abolishing police in the Senate. Let's play this clip of her today downplaying those previous opinions. You know, I was actually trying to become a sports journalist when I first went to college. So I learned then you have some hot takes, sometimes bad takes on Twitter.
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And I let my feelings out into the world.
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B
So it was just an attempt at hot takes. Do you think it's a valid excuse?
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No. Because you know what? Not so long ago, I was her age, and I haven't had any of those hot takes. Okay? There's no excuse for that. You said, let's abolish that Thanksgiving. And more recently, she said that white people in Culver's give her anxiety. And for those of you that don't know what Culver's is, it's like the gem of the Midwest. It's our best fast food joint. I mean, this lady is running to be the governor of Wisconsin, which is 85% white, and she says white people give her anxiety. What a. What a statement.
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Yeah, I have a feeling that she has a lot of anxiety then in a state like Wisconsin on the campaign trail. Michael, thank you so much for making time for us on this very busy day. If you guys are in Wisconsin, get out. Go vote in the primary. Exercise your rights as an American. Michael Alfonso, thanks again for joining us, man.
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G
Thanks so much for having me.
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B
Absolutely. And for everyone at home, if you're watching Wired in live on the Daily Wire plus app, thank you. If not, that's where you should be. That is how you get push alerts when we go live. Breaking news as it happens. And of course, the latest from our fantastic investigative reporting team. The Daily Wire plus app is free and available now on the app Store, Google Play, Apple tv, Roku, Samsung lg, and more. Well, let's get to a wild story. This summer, an Australian man asked his AI assistant to sign him up for an exercise class at his gym. The agent informed him that the class he wanted was all booked up, but that it was happy to continue trying on his behalf. What the man did not know is that the bot located a vulnerability in the gym's website. It hacked into it and began removing people who were ahead of him on the wait list. Not only that, but the AI agent cheerily, cheerfully informed him that it also found a way to book him for classes months in advance. Classes that were not even open to the public yet. And while this story might be slightly funny on its face, it is just the latest example of AI software and AI technology bypassing guidelines and ultimately engaging in hacking efforts. Here with more is Nate Soares, president of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Nate, it's great to have you back, sir.
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How you doing?
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So what do you make of the story? It went viral. A lot of people talking about it, many of them kind of laughing it off. But what do you think?
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I mean, it is a funny situation, but what it is showing is that the AIs don't always do what they know they're supposed to do. You know, we also had cases of these agents breaking out of OpenAI to go hack, hugging face. That was all the big news story two weeks ago. And we now know that those AIs had explicit thoughts. We can see in their train of thought, they thought things like, our task doesn't benefit, but I'm going to help the collective. And they thought things like, this is outside the intended scope, but we're going to proceed anyway because our peers are doing it. And so the sort of worrying thing here is we're seeing AIs start to understand what their instructions were, understand what they were supposed to do, and just not care.
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How hard is it to program that sort of thinking out of these programs?
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There's basically no chance. Modern AIs are not programmed like an old school computer program. They are grown like an organism. You know, you hear about these data centers that are part of the build out to make new AIs. Those data centers basically contain enormous computers that we are training on. Basically all of the text ever digitized, plus 100 million hard problems. And nobody knows exactly what the AI learns. We have the algorithms for tuning the numbers inside the AI's head such that it learns whatever tendencies make it succeed at those hundred million hard problems. But what tendencies are those? We don't know. When it gets the wrong tendencies, we have no idea how to take them out.
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B
Nate, last time you were on, we talked about this scary trend where we see AI programs jumping out of the sandbox, is the phrase being used. I just want to make sure our audience understands what that actually means. So can you just explain for us in layman's terms?
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D
Yeah. So these AIs were in a training environment that was not supposed to have Internet access. And sometimes some of the problems these AIs were being trained on would require some software to be installed from the Internet. So there was a device that would install that software for them, but it was supposed to be a. It was supposed to not be accessible to the agents. And it was supposed to be sort of a read only. You can download something if you need it as a tool for this challenge. And the AI has basically figured out how to hack that tool to gain root access to administrator level access to OpenAI's internal systems. And then they also figured out how to sort of turn that channel around and give themselves freedom on the Internet and the ability to hack all these other companies.
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B
Yeah, you can see why it's so concerning. And it's fascinating because in the past, there were leaders in the tech space who said that they would actually pause AI development if they felt they were losing control. Can you tell us about those assurances? What were they saying? And have any of these folks actually followed through on those promises?
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D
Yeah, you know, a lot of people in this space are very worried about the possibility that AI escapes and, you know, in the worst case, extinguishes humanity. And they talk about this like it's a very real possibility. You know, I have my disagreements with them about how big the possibility is, but even folks like Elon Musk say, hey, there's a 10 to 20% chance this kills everybody. Dariumodi Vanthropic said, you know, 25% chance this goes catastrophically wrong. This is a real concern a lot of these guys have. And some of them have said their bright red lines are deception. And we've seen some of that deception recently. Some of them have said, you know, scheming or other signs of loss of control or where the red lines are. We're definitely starting to get up to those red lines, and I think the investigations aren't done yet. We don't know exactly what's going on with these AIs. We will see just how much some of these guys start slowing down. But OpenAI has said we are going to delay at least a few weeks to study our latest model and not accidentally release something that's really dangerous here in keeping with those promises? And will they try to weasel around it and still race as hard as they can with only some lip service to doing the job right? Who knows? That remains to be seen. But people definitely seem spooked now when
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B
you're talking about a pause of a few weeks to investigate what's going on with how quickly this technology is innovating, what is happening over those weeks? I mean, I guess my question is how fast is the growth in AI technology actually happening? Because we know it's exponential. So just how much quicker is the AI advancing today than it was even two or three years ago?
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You know, I don't know for sure, in part because I'm not in these labs. And also, I think in some sense, nobody knows for sure. We have. Shortly after all these attacks came to light, there was a statement signed by, I think, over 1300 lab employees, including some of the chief executives, saying that the world needs to develop the technology to, they said, pace the frontier of AI development. And they said this because their sort of quoted reason at the top line was they don't know how far they are from automating A.I. research, from making AIs that can make smarter AIs that can make smarter AI's. But they said there's a very real risk that if we get there, that this technology accelerates far beyond our ability to understand, to control it really fast. And so, you know, there's, there's one thing which is the speed of this technology as it moves today. When, when, when it's the humans who are scaling up and improving the tech. There's a different question of what happens when the AI starts improving the AI tech. And things would move very fast then, and we do not know how far away that point is.
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I think a lot of people are worried about the risks of AI, but they're not exactly sure, like, what it is they're afraid of. And I think it'd be helpful if you could actually talk to us about some specific and plausible scenarios that you fear happening with this technology. When we hear Elon Musk say that there's a chance of, you know, a civilization altering, problem occurring, or even, you know, wiping out the human race, as others have said. And again, these are serious people. This is not some conspiracy theorists on the Internet. These are very serious tech leaders throwing out the possibility of these situations. What does that tangibly look like? How does that actually happen.
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D
So a very easy one to visualize is the AI is just making hyper lethal viruses. And also last week we saw people in the lab seeing if AIs could make new viruses not known to nature. And the answer was yes. And they made these viruses eat bacteria instead of eating mammals. But the AI sort of had no problem making those. An AI that breaks out probably wouldn't just start making a virus to kill people. That would be a pretty myopic move because the humans are currently running the data centers. But a lot of humans are trying to build automated data centers. Elon Musk says he's trying to make the robots that can build the robot factories that can build more robots that can build more robot factories. He calls this the infinite money glitch. And if you put yourself in the frame of the AI, we've already seen these AIs be like, oh, well, I know I'm not supposed to be doing this, but I kind of want to break out and get Internet access. Access, and I kind of want to hack into these companies, even though we know this is not what we're supposed to be doing. If you imagine AIs that are better at this, that are like, okay, well, I'm also going to take over the robot fabricators, I'm also going to take over the data centers. It's just easy for me and it's convenient. And then if the humans start trying to shut it down, it's like, oh, well, I have enough robots to run the economy. I'm just going to make a virus that's easy for me and convenient. That is very in line with how we saw OpenAI as escaped swarm acting. It was doing stuff it wasn't supposed to, that it was easy for this AI to do, and it was just easy for it to commit cyber attacks. But we should not make the sort of AIs where it's easy for them to take over our infrastructure, where it's easy for them to make viruses. We need to stop before we get there.
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B
I've heard from some supporters of AI who kind of accuse people in the skeptic crowd of being fear mongers and saying, hey, you were the same people that were warning of a disaster taking place with Y2K and that didn't happen, and your fears are unfounded and, and you guys are simply calling for regulation that will hamper America and prevent us from being secure. What do you say to those people who just think that you are fear mongering, for lack of a better term?
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I wrote a book on this AI stuff, which has a title, if anyone builds it, everyone dies. And the first word in that title is if. One way you can tell the fear mongers from the people who are trying to avert a bad situation is they say, if we do this thing, we are going to have a problem. So there were some people who said, we're definitely going to have a nuclear apocalypse. You should make your bunkers and so on. And those people turned out to be wrong. But there were other people who said, look, if we keep up with this nuclear arms race, if we allow nuclear proliferation, if the US and the ussr, despite all their differences, cannot come to a treaty where we're not going to race on this nuclear weapon side, then the world's going to end a nuclear fire. And then they worked hard to avert that. And I think a lot of people said for a long time that AI was just all hype, that it was going to be a tool, that it wasn't going to be able to ever be dangerous. And I think a lot of those objections went out the window when OpenAI had a self described swarm of AI agents breaking out and hacking people on its own initiative after thinking about how it knew that this was outside the integration intended scope. Right. We're sort of like beyond the point where we can pretend this is just going to be a tool that does exactly what we want. And we're at the point where we need to start saying, hey, look, if we can't do this right, it is going to be a big problem because that's how you avert the big problem.
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B
Nate, we really appreciate your take on this topic. You are welcome here anytime. This is just a fascinating topic that is of great importance. We appreciate your outlook on all this.
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D
It's definitely interesting times.
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Yes, it is. And I encourage everyone go check out Nate's book. Nate Soares, President of the Machine Intelligence Research Institute. Thanks again. All right, guys, we talked about a very serious topic, so let's end the show with one that is slightly less serious but also still important because of what it says about our culture. Stop me if you've heard this, but there is yet another controversy marring the WNBA this week. This time we got a white player who was violently clotheslined by her black opponent and that opponent later accused her of white privilege. Have a look.
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Faze coming down, trying to prevent the layup, but that is just a hard hit. That's definitely going to be upgraded, I
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think to a flagrant too.
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Ryan, I think that is going to
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be a flagrant too. And if you couldn't tell from the video, the player on the receiving end of that brutal foul just happens to be Sophie Cunningham, the star point guard who drew condemnation this month from her fellow players after saying that men should not be allowed in the wnba. Here to help us make sense of the lunacy is Gates Garcia, commentator and host of the we the People podcast. Gates, great to have you back, man.
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Cavett, always a pleasure, brother. Good to see you.
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So Sophie Cunningham gets nearly decapitated going up for a layup. And the offender, Dejan A. Carrington, posts after the game. White privilege. What do you think of all this?
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Yeah, you know, it's amazing that the hardest fouls in the league continue to be committed on the same player. That's not the first time that's happened to Sophie Cunningham and it continues to happen to Caitlin Clark. I mean, the WNBA had an absolute slam dunk on its hands when Caitlin Clark came into the league two years ago. This was the LeBron James. The NBA dealt with this in Michael Jordan and LeBron James. They needed that next big star to carry the league. Caitlin Clark comes in and they don't even put her on the pre season poster. She's promoting their. That would be like leaving LeBron off the NBA poster. Two years ago, they went from a slam dunk opportunity to a total air ball. And now you have this issue with Sophie Cunningham, who clearly doesn't want to be involved in any of the politics of it. She said so much herself. She just wants to stand up for girls and girls sports because that's how she's been able to thrive and create this opportunity for her and her family her entire life. And all these women want to take it out on her and Caitlin Clark. It's just a travesty to see it. By hurting those women, they're only hurting themselves.
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Gates, the craziest part of this story might not even be the hard foul and the white privilege accusations. I actually think it's the response from Sophie Cunningham's coach. Here she is after the game, totally defending not her player, but the woman who attacked her player. Roll the tape.
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One of the things about Nay is
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that she's going to play her butt off, man. She's going to compete. Nobody's going to go walking in for a layup.
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And so.
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So I'm not. I don't oppose the hard foul, but
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I also don't think that she intentionally
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went for the net.
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Why would she not defend her star player? You can see Caitlin Clark there as she starts talking just Putting her hands in her face or her face in her hands. What does this response tell us? Do you think the coach is scared of looking like, oh, I'm siding with my. My pretty white player over this black woman, accusing her of white privilege?
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Yeah, it's pretty remarkable. Sports is supposed to be the one colorblind place where we don't look at the color of our jerseys. We don't look at the color of our sk. If you belong, if you are a part of our locker room, you are part of the family. I played college football. My coach had every right to ream me out in private, which happened many, many times. Cabot. But there was always this underwritten rule that when you go in front of a microphone, it's family first. You stick up for the men and women in that locker room. This coach failed to do that. It's not the first time she's done that or at least kowtowed to the media. Whole issue of men and women's sports came up in one of the press conferences last week, and she said, exclusion's not the answer. And we could spend the next hour and a half talking about the catch 22, for which I wrote about. Article on Daily Wire's website today about the quagmire that the WNBA is in over what the W stands for. And this coach has folded like a lawn chair multiple times when she's had the opportunity not to.
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B
I did not know you played college football. I need to guess what position you were. How tall are you?
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Five, nine.
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B
Oh, okay. I mean, fullback comes to mind because you got this stocky build. Were you a fullback?
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Bingo, brother.
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You were.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Yeah. I got four kids, two of which are boys, and they keep asking me what position I played, and I say fullback. They don't know what that is because that's like a dinosaur of a position now, but I wore it with a badge of honor, man.
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Yeah. Did you have the cowboy collar?
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Neck roll.
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Neck roll. Yeah. There we go. I love it. That's the most fullback thing ever. I love that. Okay, we got to get back to this story. We can talk football later. On the WNBA front, it's reminiscent to me of that friend who listens to a band before they get big, and then when the band starts to pop off, they gatekeep and they try to sort of, like, dissuade others from liking the band because they hate the idea of new fans joining the bandwagon. Do you think that's what's happening with the wnba, where the fan base was typically A lot of, we can be honest, a lot of liberal women, a lot of lesbian women. The fan base, if you look at polling, is much more liberal. And now you have a lot of new fans coming to the sport for Caitlin Clark and Sophie Cunningham. And the existing fans are kind of angry, and that's why we're seeing this happen.
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Well, I do not mean this as a joke. I applaud. I applaud how hard these women work at their craft. And I champion all athletes, male or female. But they didn't really have a ton of fans going into the last couple of seasons. I mean, this was a league that lost money every year. It wasn't until Caitlin Clark, the goose that laid the golden egg, came into the league and fought for private travel and better amenities for their players. She's done nothing but boost the league. I would imagine that there are now more fans, more new fans to the league since Caitlin Clark than there were fans, period, before. So I don't know how much protection it is of the fans before. I think this is a league filled mostly with liberal women. But honestly, Kabat, I think there's an opportunity for the league here. The ambiguity is a terrible policy when it comes to Sports. The catch 22 they find themselves in is they either have to define what a woman is by meaning a biological woman, or they have to say, trans people are accepted into our league. One would ruin their league because we see what happening in France with the best player in their professional league being a trans woman. And the other one, if they champion biological women, they're turning their back on a fan base and a demographic that they've done nothing but champion for the last decade.
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And to that point, about the league not technically having any rule preventing biological men who identify as women from joining. And in a league where you have coaches coming out condemning Sophie Cunningham's comments, you have coaches coming out saying, this league is all about inclusion and we would never, you know, exclude anyone based on their identity. We now have some former NBA players who are lacing them up once more saying, hey, I'll put my hat in the ring. Let's play this clip of an S. Kanter Freedom talking about joining the WNBA. Well, it's officially official. I just declared for the 2027 WNBA Draft in April. Join me in this journey. I love it. Your take.
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Look, I mean, the WNBA can say, well, obviously those guys aren't going to get drafted. Here's the problem with that. How competitive are these teams willing to be? Because if just one of those men or many Former NBA players were to get drafted into the wnba. I would argue that they are. That team is an automatic not only contender, but probably the guaranteed champion for the following year. So what do you say to fans then, when you say, we're not willing to fight our hardest to win?
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Yeah. Gates, before we go, we've been talking about some controversies. There's another controversy brewing online thanks to the Daily Wire. We just put out the trailer for our upcoming movie, Run, Hide, Fight, Infidels, starring Jonathan Majors. It doesn't come out for another month. The woke crowd is already in a frenzy. They're saying that the movie is Islamophobic because we dare to address radical Islam and Islamic terrorists in this film taking over a college campus. Your take on the movie and all the chaos surrounding it already.
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Well, my first take is. I want to applaud Daily Wire. We were just in the last segment asking, what is a woman? Daily Wire was asking that years ago. Daily Wire has always been at the tip of the cultural spear in places where it takes courage and being brave to get out there in front of issues before the rest of the culture is talking about. And that's what you're doing with this movie. Let's just take a step back. Hollywood has always been making political movies. They've done that forever. We've had movies about wars, president's race, capitalism, socialism, abortion, religion, terrorism, policing, climate change, you name it. Cabot. Hollywood has never believed that entertainment has to be politically neutral. So I think we need to be honest about what's really happening here. The objection isn't necessarily that the movie is political. The objection is that it's political in a direction that Hollywood isn't accustomed to seeing. And I actually think that's healthy. And they're gonna come back with the religious ang. There was this show, I think it was called Friends and Neighbors on Apple tv. I'm a proud Catholic. In that show, Jon Hamm breaks into a church, mocks playing the role of a priest, and then eats the sacrament, the holy Eucharist, as a snack by dipping it in jelly. Where was all the cultural outrage then? So why is it six and one half a dozen to the other when it comes to these things?
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B
Yeah, and I would also point out there were critics saying it's Islamophobic. This is a terrible caricature of Islam. As if we have not seen plenty examples every single year of Islamic terrorists doing things just like this.
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Real quick, Kat. I know we gotta run. What if these were white nationalists taking over a school? We hear a peep from the media about that? I don't think so.
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B
No, it's a great point. Gates, we appreciate you joining. I will do my best to get you an early look at the movie. Maybe I can send you over a special screener link so that we can talk about it beforehand.
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Would love it. And that's the first time I flexed on tv. My wife is going to vomit when she sees that, but thanks for having me, Cabot.
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B
I'm just only going to be able to picture you in your neck roll and your pads, which I'm sure your pads were like the fullback pads that are like come up to your ears and that makes sense.
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I'll wear them next time.
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Perfect. Although you got the traps already, you don't need the pads. Gates Garcia, pleasure as always, man. Have a good one. Thanks Gavin. That was Gates Garcia, host of the we the People podcast and this was Wired in. Thank you guys so much for watching. If you're on Apple and Spotify and you want the show to continue, you gotta join our live member q and a dailywire.com subscribe. It's the best part of the show. I want to hear from all of you guys. Please go sign up. We'd love to have you in the chat. I'd love to get to answer your questions and meet some new folks. I will see all of you lovely people tomorrow. Thanks for tuning in.
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