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Cabot Phillips
evening, everybody, and welcome to Wired In. I'm Cabot Phillips coming to you live from Daily Wire HQ in Nashville, Tennessee. Enjoy the sight of me on this lovely set because come tomorrow, I won't be here. Wired in is going on the road for the first time and I will be hosting this show from the actual living room of a former president of the United States. Yes, I'm being completely serious. You're gonna have to tune in tomorrow, though, to see where I will be. But for now, we've got another great show coming at you. We're gonna talk with former Vice President Mike Pence about the latest on the Iran deal, his take on President Trump's second term, and the direction of the Republican Party. We'll also tell you guys the stunning details of a new report documenting how migrant gangs have groomed and victimized a quarter million women and girls in the UK and how the British government has tried to cover it all up. We'll tell you about the socialist candidate poised to become mayor of one of America's most important cities. It feels like deja vu. It is. I'm not talking about Zoravan Mamdani. We've got another socialist mayor. This one every bit is insufferable. And of course, stick around until the very end for our live listener Q and A there. You're going to have to be a Daily Wire member to take part in that portion. So Please go to dailywire.com subscribe and sign up now if you haven't already. All right, let's do this thing. We're going to have a fun show. Roll that graphic. And just a reminder, Wired in is now streaming live at 4pm Eastern Monday through Thursday. Get daily coverage of the news happening right now, hear why it all matters, and we'll talk to experts who are actually in the story, not just sitting around giving opinions about it. Become a member right now and join the live chat@dailywire.com subscribe and also go give us a follow on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. You guys have been so fantastic supporting us and helping us climb the charts. We broke into the top 10 on the Apple Podcast news charts. And so it's been just so incredible seeing the way that all of you have supported us from the very beginning for this show. So thank you. Please go do that if you haven't. And please leave us a five star review. And if you're able on Apple Podcasts, go ahead and write a little review. I've read every single review on Apple Podcasts and it has been absolutely delightful. So thank you again to everybody. All right, let's get to this thing. We're gonna start things off with a very special guest. It's former vice president and author of the new book what Conservatives Believe. It's Mike Pence. Mr. Vice President, thank you so much for coming on. It's great to see you, Cabot.
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Mike Pence
It's great to be on Wired in live. Thanks for having me on.
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Cabot Phillips
We are very, very excited to have you, Mr. Vice President. I want to get to your book, but we have to start with Iran. We're just now getting a look at the terms of this peace deal. The White House releasing those terms today. What do you make of it?
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Mike Pence
Well, I think you have to give President Trump a great deal of credit, Cabot, for being the first president in the modern era to unleash the armed forces of the United States directly against the leading state sponsor of terrorism in Iran. Last year and this year, the president struck at nuclear facilities and in Operation Epic Fury, he's done more to degrade the military threat of the Iranian regime than any other administration. That being said, now that we know what is in the memorandum of understanding with Iran, I have very real concerns about this deal, both about what's in it and also, more importantly, maybe what's not in it. And my hope is that there's more to come. The president only said yesterday that he was likely to sign the deal or have it signed later this week. But I don't think it goes far enough. I don't trust the Iranians. I think we have them at a weaker moment than at any time in 47 years. And we ought to continue to press our advantage through economic pressure and if needs be, unleash the armed forces of our country and of Israel to settle the strait and to eliminate the threat on our terms.
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Cabot Phillips
So what's in there that you don't like, and what's not in there that you would like to see?
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Mike Pence
Well, starting with what's not in there. There's no commitment in the MoU to dismantling their nuclear program. I mean, the Obama era of appeasement, and Biden tried to repeat that in his four years, was built on a foundation of lies. We learned during the Trump pence years that all the while that they were committing and making the empty promises of not pursuing a nuclear weapon, that the mullahs in Tehran were in a headlong rush to develop a nuclear bomb. And so it's not enough for us to get another promise from them. We have to have a verifiable commitment that they will dismantle their program and forfeit the uranium. Second thing is, they got to dismantle that ballistic missile program as well. That threatens Israel, our allies in the region, our European allies, and frankly, ultimately our country. And finally, I think what's not in here is any commitment at all, even implied that Iran will stop underwriting murderous terrorist organizations like Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis, which they've used to sow violence across the region for decades. So those are the things that are not in the deal that give me great concern. But what's in the deal is of equal concern. And first and foremost, we open the strait, we end the blockade, and literally, if this MOU is signed on Friday, Cabot, we will lift all sanctions on oil sales imposed on Iran. That's going to mean about $3 billion a month into the coffer of the Iranian regime and what remains of that 20 terrorist leadership. Secondly, there's a commitment in the MoU to an openness to releasing some of $100 billion in frozen Iranian assets. But it actually says they could be released even before a final deal is done in 60 days if there's, quote, unquote, progress. And lastly, there is a call for the United States to, I think the word is arranged, a $300 billion reconstruction fund financed by neighboring Arab states. And all of which strikes me as a lifeline to a regime that right now has never been weaker than ever before. And what we ought to be doing is demanding that they settle hostilities on our terms with those key elements I just described. And if they fail to do that, As I said, I believe the time may come for us to allow our armed forces and Israel's armed forces to settle the matter on our terms.
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Cabot Phillips
President Trump and his team have said that yes, there are financial incentives for the Iranians to get on board here, but that we're not handing that money over to them, that they can get access to those funds, to the reconstruction fund, to the lifting of sanctions only if they take steps to know, show goodwill. Do you believe them on that front and do you think that that's the right method for, you know, pushing them in the right direction?
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Mike Pence
I just don't. Look, there's an old Russian proverb that says trust but verify. Cabot. Everybody's heard that one with the Iranians, it's, it's verify then trust. If this MoU is signed on Friday by the Vice President or any representative of our government, they will get immediate sanctions relief. That is, as I said, by our estimates here, it will allow the sale of oil out of Iran that will generate $3 billion a month out of the gate. No progress, no, no requirement whatsoever. Sign the deal, they can start selling oil again. And the hundred billion dollars in frozen assets that have been frozen because of the terrorist activities of Iran for decades, dating all the way back to when two hundred and forty two American service members were killed in 1983 by Iranian backed Hezbollah terrorists at the Marine Corps barracks in Beirut. We're actually, in the language of this MoU, expressing a willingness to release frozen funds during the negotiations. Cabot, you know, I was born in the morning, but not yesterday morning. And you know, until we see on paper the kind of framework and structure that guarantees that those funds will not ultimately go back to the very terrorist organizations that have been claiming American, Israeli and innocent lives across the region, then I think we ought to hang on, keep the pressure on and get those commitments.
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Bev Turner
First.
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Cabot Phillips
What do you say to the Republican lawmakers and others who have this message of look, this war is not popular, gas prices are going up, inflation is going up as a direct result. If we don't wrap this thing up soon, before November, we're going to get crushed at the midterms. We're going to lose control of Congress. So we can't make perfect the enemy of good. We've got to end things swiftly. What do you say to those people?
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Mike Pence
Cabot? Look, I want to say and also implicit in your very thoughtful question is that we're talking about the men and women of our armed forces, which I don't lightly refer to putting Americans into harm's way in. My son's a major in the United States Marine Corps. My son in law is a naval aviator. And I say what I say from a very serious perspective. I think this is not a matter of politics or the price of the pump. This is a historic opportunity that we have with the Iranian regime weaker than it has ever been before to press our advantage and leave that part of the world safer and more secure than ever before and give the Iranian people an opportunity to reclaim their country for freedom. But it doesn't happen, I believe if we throw a lifeline to the mullahs in Tehran in the form of literally billions of dollars before any deal is inked. And it certainly doesn't happen unless we see a fundamental, transparent, verifiable commitment to dismantling their nuclear program, their offensive ballistic missiles and ending support for terrorist organizations.
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Cabot Phillips
Mr. Vice President, you know better than anyone that Donald Trump has long said the Iranians can never achieve a nuclear weapon. I'm interested, looking back, were there ever any points during his first term where you felt the US Was close to striking the regime or where you were pushing for that?
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Mike Pence
Well, there certainly were. And I'm, you know, I'm incredibly proud of the record of the Trump Pence administration at home and abroad. I mean, we, we unleashed our armed forces to take down the ISIS caliphate in record time after Barack Obama had called ISIS the JV team and rained terror across the region. But also we put them, we got out of that Iran n deal and we put what we called a maximum pressure campaign, isolated Iran economically and diplomatically. Cabin and of course, I was with the president when he made the decision to unleash our armed forces and take down Qasem Soleimani, the most dangerous terrorist in the world and the leader of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. That was all evidence of this president's willingness to take action. We saw it again last year in Operation Midnight Hammer, Operation Epic Fury. And I am urging the President to return to his first instincts on this because I think the pathway towards securing a peaceful settlement is by standing firm and demanding a fundamental, verifiable change on the part of the Iranians. And, and I also think that's gonna be in the best interest of not only our economy, but the security of our country in the long term.
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Cabot Phillips
Mr. Vice President, I wanna get to your new book. It's out now. What Conservatives Believe. Rediscovering the Conservative Conscience. I wanna ask you about that phrase, rediscovering the conservative conscience. What makes you say that? It's in need of rediscovering.
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Mike Pence
Well, I think we live in a time where our politics is really changing. You know, I'm a lot older than you, Cabot, and so I've been around a while. But back when I was closer to your age, I joined the Republican Party. I was active in Democrat politics, but I joined the Republican Party because of a certain set of principles. A strong defense, limited government, less government, less taxes, traditional moral values. And those are the principles that really defined the Republican Party. I would argue from the Reagan years to the first Trump administration, we governed on those principles as well. But politics have been changing. I don't have to tell people around the Daily Wire about how, you know, the political geography has changed a lot. On the Democrat side, the Democratic Party, traditionally liberal, has been overtaken by the progressive left. I heard in your setup that another socialist candidate at the local level, people that are openly advocating the failed economic policies of Karl Marx being elected to office, and also people that are, you know, questioning long term alliances and even questioning American support for Israel. In the. In the darkest of terms, that's on the progressive left, but on the right, I wrote what conservatives believe because I wanted people in our movement to know that there's also a threat to the conservative movement from the populist right that embraces isolationism, raises some of the same issues, and sometimes in some of the same dark terms, embraces big government solutions, marginalizes the right to life. And as we go into the 26 election, I wanted to create a template for that conservative agenda for activists and candidates. But as we go into 2028, I hold the view, Kaba, that we ought to spend. We ought to spend time focusing on what we believe before we decide who we're gonna back in the next election. And that's why I wrote the book.
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Cabot Phillips
Do you believe, Mr. Vice President, that President Trump is more of a reflection of a shifting ideology within the conservative movement? That more populist, what he calls MAGA in America first ideology? Do you believe that he is driving people to embrace that ideology, or do you believe that he is a reflection of an ideology that was already growing?
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Mike Pence
Well, can I take door number three on that?
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Cabot Phillips
Absolutely, go ahead.
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Mike Pence
I actually. Look, I know the president better than his most ardent defenders. We worked closely together for four and a half years. It didn't end the way I wanted it to, but I'll always believe, by God's grace, I did my duty on that fateful day in 2021. But look, the president I served with is not ideological. He's instinctively American. He is a businessman turned politician and in our administration he governed on that conservative rail. And in this administration he has as well. I think the new Trump administration has gotten a lot right. I mean, securing the border after the worst border crisis in history under Joe Biden, extending all the tax cuts that we put in place back in the Trump pence years, standing up to Iran, standing with Israel, all are to be commended and reflective of those principles. But I think the populist right has gained some purchase. I think the stops and starts on Ukraine are reflective of the influence of some of those voices on the president and on his administration. I think some of the big government steps that have been taken, notably nationalizing American businesses, price controls on credit cards and pharmaceuticals, and the marginalizing of the right to life. Those, those all have their allies among influencers in your world right now that, that have had some success with this administration. But, but people that want to reduce Donald Trump's appeal to an ideology don't know Donald Trump. I'm just telling you, he's, he's an American president. Proud of the record we forged. As I said, I think, I think they've stayed in the main on that path. But, but I think as we move forward, particularly into 2028, it's going to be just as important to focus on what we're for, have the debate within the party whether we're going to follow the siren song of populism or whether we're going to reground, as my book says, rediscover the conservative principles that have always made America strong and prosperous and free.
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Cabot Phillips
Mr. Vice President, before we let you go, I want to tell a quick story. Back in 2013, I was a wide eyed intern in Washington D.C. i was working the front desk at the Republican Governors Association. You came in the office that day in 2013, you greeted me before going to some meetings. I was over the moon. I remember telling my friends, I just got to meet the governor of Indiana. Two or three hours later, you walked out. You get to the door, you start to leave, you turn around and you go, Cabot, it was really nice meeting you. You keep it up and I thought it was the coolest thing ever that you remembered my name. Here we are 13 years later. Mr. Vice President, it's great to talk to you again and to get to have you on.
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Mike Pence
Well, Cabot, congratulations on all your success.
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Cabot Phillips
Thank you.
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Mike Pence
And the success of the podcast. I wish you every continued success in the days ahead and I'll never forget your name, Cabot Phillips.
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Donald Trump
Thank you.
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Cabot Phillips
Mr. Vice President, that is the former Vice President of the United States and author of what Conservatives Believe new book out right now. You guys can go check that out wherever you get your books. Well, after days of speculation, as we were just talking about, the White House has released the text of the deal that is set to be signed between the United States and Iran this Friday in Switzerland. Among other things, the 14 point document includes provisions for opening the Strait of Hormuz, an end to Israel's military effort in Lebanon, and the lifting of sanctions in exchange for commitments to draw back their nuclear program. As one White House official put it, quote, if the Iranians dial up their good behavior, we respond by dialing up the kind of economic and sanctions relief that can make them a prosperous country. But will it all work? That is the big question. Here to break it down is Brent Sadler, former Pentagon official and senior research fellow for Naval warfare at Heritage. Brent, great to have you back on the show.
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Brent Sadler
Yeah, thanks for having me.
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Cabot Phillips
So we're finally getting an idea of what is in this mou. For folks at home who've been confused by all the back and forth. Can you give us the top lines here of what took place this week?
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Brent Sadler
Yeah. So the first thing is resisting jumping to any conclusions. And now we finally have an officially released document. That was the first thing. There was a lot of speculation and rumor mongering. So now we've got something to look at. But this is also not conventional or traditional kind of diplomacy with the treaty. And then you adhere to and you go, step 1, 2, 3, 4. This is more like a real estate deal that you, if you go back and you read the President's book, the Art of the Deal, you'll start to get the sense that this is very fluid. Elements will change the execution who's actually, you know, implementing elements of this will change based on what the intent is and the agreement of the two parties, Tehran and D.C. as now we're going to go forward, but pretty clear the understanding is the vision is Iran will never have a nuclear weapon under any form on any type of path. And that Iran has got to have a much more peaceful view of its neighbors in the region. And I think the seeds of them stopping their funding in support of proxies is also inside this deal.
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Cabot Phillips
I'm interested. We just talked to Vice President Pence. He was expressing doubts, saying, look, yes, it's nice that the Iranians are telling us, hey, we won't pursue our nuclear program. We'll allow some mediators to come in and look at it. And in exchange, you guys will give us some economic relief. That's very similar to what we saw under President Obama's Iran deal. And we know that the Iranians did not ultimately abide by that deal. What makes you confident that this deal will be different?
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Brent Sadler
Well, for one, I mean, past American political leadership, they took the letter, the signature on a document, as the validity or the veracity that the other party would adhere to it. And that's not how the real world works. And President Trump, as a businessman, understands that you have to have continued leverage and you have to have continued oversight to ensure adherence to the contract. And this is not a contract yet, it's just still sorting out the deals until the final contract 60 days from now is actually signed. The military leverage is important to compel the proper behavior by the Iranians as well as the economic, the sanctions, as well as even waivers to allow some of the Iranian shipping. So it's written with the knowledge of how business is done, not from a diplomatic or political perspective. And I think that's also worth noting. This is not going to be your usual kind of diplomatic entreaty.
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Cabot Phillips
Do you believe that this deal, as things currently stand, again, as you mentioned, there will be roughly a 60 day period after this to iron things out even more. But do you believe that this deal will embolden Iran and give them more leverage? They can essentially say, look, in the future, we can close the Strait of Hormuz whenever we want and use that as our leverage point. If it's not going to be nuclear weapons, we know that we can always pull that card out and shut down the strait.
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Brent Sadler
Well, that would be a strategic misjudgment on the part of the leadership in Tehran. Because one thing's clear, and that's President Trump has shown a willingness to use the military to act and to act in a way that compels the type of behavior that he wants from the other party and doing it out of an economy of force at the same time. So, again, the military is hand in hand with the economic, hand in hand with the diplomatic and trying to get a deal. So this key is the execution, and again, having the adequate leverage, which means there's probably gonna be a military presence in the region for quite some time.
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Cabot Phillips
I wanna play a clip here and get your response. This is President Trump earlier today talking about the Strait of Hormuz. And look, seemingly contradicting his past stance on this topic and basically saying, look, we had to get a deal done right now, because if we didn't, the Straight of Hormuz would remain closed indefinitely and who knows how high gas prices would go. Let's play that clip.
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Donald Trump
If we didn't do this deal, we could have dropped more bombs for another three weeks. Two weeks, four weeks, two years. You would never have the hormones straight open. You would never have success. Your market would have, instead of going up at levels that nobody's ever seen before, would go down at levels that nobody ever saw before, maybe except for 1929 or whatever.
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Cabot Phillips
Again, that is very different from the message of President Trump over the last month or two where he was saying, well, the Iranians, they can't close the strait. It's still open. They can't actually do anything to prevent. And now he's saying, well, we needed to get a deal done because we gotta open up the strait. What is your take on that?
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Brent Sadler
Well, there's a couple things I think that are at play on this. Let's just look at the energy, the global energy market in particular. The Chinese had the world's largest petroleum reserve and they found, finding out that much of it was filled with seawater and sewage. And so I think their reserves were lower. And that actually has a global market impact. That also I think is concerned. It's not mentioned, but it's also been in the news the last month. And they're not able to get enough energy out of the Persian Gulf to sustain themselves. That's part of it. The United States is a net energy exporter, but we are also in this global energy market. What we do know is you have 20 million barrels of crude oil going through the straits of Hormuz, February 27, the day before this conflict. Vast majority of that was going to China. About 7 million barrels per day are going through pipeline into the Red Sea, not even near the Baba Mandeb or the Strait of Hormuz, mostly to Europe. And then you've got another 3 million per day going through UAE, bypassing the straits. So half of the oil that was all on ships before going through the straits. Now you can bypass that through these pipelines. Not enough. But again, I think some of those customers, China, were starting to indicate that they were going to have secondary or contagion effects on the global economy. That's probably part of the calculation here, but not the full picture on the energy.
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Cabot Phillips
I'm interested, given the backlash that we've seen to this deal, do you believe that it's possible President Trump will make some last minute changes before this signing ceremony Friday?
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Brent Sadler
I don't think it's gonna be the president that makes any changes, I think the Iranians will attempt. That's their behavior. I think if there's anything that's a fundamental, a substantive change, I think then all deals are off and we're back to military action as the president is threatened. But that's the intent. This memorandum of understanding is not a treaty. It's here is the vision. The vision was the gentleman's handshake on Sunday that the two sides agreed that stopped the fighting. It's like we want to get to a place you agree you're not going to have a nuclear weapon. We'll agree we want to welcome you in the world of normal nations. As long as you adhere to some of these other things, we require, like no support to your proxies, which includes we'll freeze the fighting in Lebanon. So all of this is kind of like to this vision and the MoU is further detail fleshing it out. So it's going to be iterative. It's not going to be a straight line, and it's really going to be success or failures. Who's executing the elements of it on both sides.
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Cabot Phillips
I want to get to a logistical question before we let you go. I know you spent a lot of time deployed on nuclear submarines, so you're very familiar with the danger posed by underwater mines. If and when this deal is signed and the war formally ends, how hard will it be to fully clear the Strait of Hormuz of those mines?
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Brent Sadler
Well, a couple of things. One, the Iranians had an arsenal of over 5,000 of these, and they only maybe laid a dozen. And the Iranians, again, they violate international law. They don't know where they put them. And that, again, is a violation of international law of armed conflict. So finding those 12 is not going to be an insurmountable challenge. But of course, you're going to want to sweep the entire strait to be just sure. But to be honest, there's already been 100 million barrels of oil that was snuck out by the United States. No mines went off. And at the same time, you had US Navy ships go through several times, and again, there was no mines and where they were sailing. So shipping can go through what we call a queue route, a safe route. It's probably already been established and is easy to start sending ships, even at a higher pace. But again, you want to find all the mines to be 100% sure. That's going to take a little time. It's really on the Iranians to do it, but it's not going to hold up shipping.
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Cabot Phillips
Yeah, you can see why a lot of folks trafficking through that strait would want to make sure they were all out of their. Just a question I was fascinated by. Brent, thank you so much for coming on. As always, we really appreciate your time.
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Brent Sadler
Thank you.
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Cabot Phillips
That was Brent Sadler, former Pentagon official, now with the Heritage Foundation. Guys, our nation's capital, we all know it's already replete with left wing lawmakers taking over the Hill in many ways. But it appears the city itself is about to be governed by a self proclaimed socialist. The results are still coming in, but left wing socialist Denise Lewis George has a sizable lead in the Democratic primary for mayor. And in deep blue Washington, the Democratic primary might as well be the general election. Joining us with more is Jesse Arm, VP and pollster at the Manhattan Institute. Jesse, great to have you back, man.
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Jesse Arm
Cabot, good to be with you man. Thanks for having me.
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Cabot Phillips
So it looks like DC is gonna nominate their first socialist mayor. What do you think Jesse?
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Jesse Arm
Well, I think it's an aftershock following the earthquake that was the election of Zoran Mamdani in New York City. There will be more. Nithya Rahman is a socialist on the ballot for mayor in Los Angeles. And this is something we can expect to see a whole lot more of. The DSA is a radical. The Democratic Socialist of America that is, is a radical ideological political organization that has done a really good job of organizing in the furthest, deepest, darkest, bluest places in the country, which are some of our big urban centers. The bright side on this is that we do actually have some sense of what happens next. San Francisco has run this doom loop already. It has become, or rather was a breeding ground for some of the most out there ideological experiments. Handing out drugs, no penalties for crimes, things of that nature relative to anywhere in the United States. And ultimately it reverted back to the norm. Daniel Lurie, who is the mayor of San Francisco now is more of a conventional kind of corporate friendly, business friendly, there should be some kind of law that we enforce style of Democrat. I would expect more cities to ultimately run that doom loop. But first they have to unfortunately elect some hard left socialists who are going to run on policies and govern on policies that are bad for their municipalities.
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Cabot Phillips
It does tell you something about the state of the modern Democratic Party when you end up giving them credit for saying, yeah, we should actually make it illegal to rob people, we should make it illegal to do heroin in public. To where a Democrat saying that is something that gets people to look around and go, wow, good for them. That kind of says something. Now, Jesse, it's worth pointing out some of the socialist mayors we've seen, like Mandani and others, they still have to deal with state legislatures that often kind of rein them in. That's not the case in D.C. which for now, is not a state where the mayor has a lot more autonomy. So what sort of impact will that have here?
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Jesse Arm
Well, there's a different dynamic that I think Janice Lewis George, this new socialist who is going to likely be the next mayor of Washington, D.C. will have to contend with. And that is she may not have a state legislature that she'll inevitably end up tangling with. But there is the president of the United States and the constant threat of home rule. Donald Trump has already spoken on a number of occasions about the the potential leadership of a socialist mayor who doesn't feel the way he does about beautifying the nation's capital, about tackling quality of life issues, about reining in crime and deploying the National Guard, like the current Democratic mayor of Muriel Bowser has, has actually praised the administration for doing. Donald Trump is not going to stand by and allow for the degradation of the nation's capital. So I would anticipate that that will give her as many headaches or more than what Zoran Mamdani has to deal with between Albany and the City Council in New York.
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Cabot Phillips
I wanna get down to Georgia and get your take on the primaries that took place there last night. We know President Trump has been on a hot streak when it comes to endorsing candidates who ultimately go on and win. Last night, his endorsement, his pick for the Senate nomination ended up winning. Congressman Mike Collins and businessman Rick Jackson got the nod for governor, but he was not the man that Trump had endorsed. So a little bit of a split result last night for President Trump. The left is saying, look, President Trump, he's losing his luster with GOP voters and primary voters. Do you think there's anything to be taken from these results last night?
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Jesse Arm
Well, Georgia does have this funky way of kind of reminding us every now and then that although Donald Trump is the leader of the Republican Party and a political behemoth in his own right who really points, and then that way is where the wind blows, Georgia is sometimes an exception to that rule. It reminds me of when David Perdue earned the Trump endorsement in his race against Brian Kemp, the current governor of Georgia, and came up way short back in, I believe, 2022. So, look, I don't think this is anything like that kind of dynamic. This was not a aggressive show of Force, where the president really put a lot of back into it with his political operation. This guy Jackson, who is going to be the Republican nominee for governor down there, is perfectly warm and friendly to the President. He's said as much in regular public occasions when asked about the matter and not having the president's endorsement. And perhaps most interesting of all is that Donald Trump Jr. The president's son, actually, on the eve of the election, tweeted very favorable comments about Jackson, his candidacy, and his potential to be the next governor of Georgia. So, no, I think the President will still have a friend in the governor's mansion in Georgia if Republicans can manage to secure it in November and defeat Keisha Lance Bottoms, the Democratic nominee and former mayor of Atlanta, who is, I think, a strong candidate.
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Cabot Phillips
I can't help but Wonder if Don Jr. Saw some internal polling that, that Jackson was gonna win the governor's race and said, hey, look, Dad, I can do this, too. I'm gonna endorse this guy. Look, what do you know? He won. Maybe I'm the one with the power, but I digress.
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Jesse Arm
My sneaking suspicion there, Cabot, is that this probably isn't the first and not the last time either, where the political considerations of Donald Trump Jr. May be different than the rest of the Trump political apparatus in operation.
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Cabot Phillips
Yeah, he is a fascinating figure to watch on that front, Jesse. We know Donald Trump is still the kingmaker, regardless of one gubernatorial race that doesn't go his way in Georgia. We know he's still the kingmaker. But there was a really fascinating report from Axios this week where they were saying that on the left, the kingmaker, or in this case, maybe Queenmaker, is aoc. She's helped sway a number of congressional primaries in this cycle. What does that say about the state of the Democratic Party where a figure like AOC is now this mainstream force driving endorsements and ultimately wins?
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Jesse Arm
I don't know if she's the kingmaker in the Democratic Party. Matthew Continetti had a really good column in the Wall Street Journal earlier this week that talked about the growing political power of Bernie Sanders, that it's really Bernie's party now, that he is something of a kingmaker. These days within Democratic nominating contests, the establishment is still strong. We have to kind of wait and see what happens in some of these key races. Michigan is one example where, you know, the insurgent crowd seems to be largely behind this candidate, Abdul El Said, who I, in the pages of the Daily Wire have described as an Islamo leftist candidate closer to the mold of something we've seen a lot of in left of center politics across Europe and less of in the United States, but maybe we'll see more of it soon. The Democratic establishment is behind a different candidate, a congresswoman who is more in the vein of a kind of normal Democrat, Haley Stevens. There's a third candidate who's attracted some attention. It all remains to be seen, but I think the real interesting dynamic in the Democratic Party now is that there is no obvious kingmaker. And until they have one, I think they're going to run into a whole lot of problems that look, the fundamentals suggest that Democrats should be running away with this thing. As far as the midterms go this cycle at a macro level, they are not in the generic ballot. They are, you know, maybe up a couple of points, but they are not dominating nationally despite low favorability and job approval ratings for the President. I think part of that is because they have mixed messages. They don't know who they are. They don't know what they stand for. They don't know who's calling the shots. And I don't imagine they'll have that figured out anytime before 2028 at the earliest.
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Cabot Phillips
Well, Bernie Sanders was very early on the Graham Platner wagon. He has yet to jump off. He is still sticking with his man. We'll see his kingmaker credentials if they come to fruition, if Graham Platner is able to pull that off. Jesse, thank you so much for being here. Always, always appreciate your time.
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Jesse Arm
Great to be with you, Cabot.
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Brent Sadler
Thank you.
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Cabot Phillips
All right, I wanna turn now to a horrifying but very important story from the UK where a new report is shining a light on the epidemic of rape and sexual assault carried out by migrant gangs. This 218 page document released this week by Member of Parliament Rupert Lowe alleges that more than a quarter million British women and girls have been subjected to rape, trafficking and other forms of sexual exploitation at the hands of organized migrant rape gangs. Joining us with more is Bev Turner, host of the Late show live on GB News. Bev, thank you so much for being here.
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Bev Turner
My pleasure.
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Cabot Phillips
So the details in this report, Bev, it was almost too awful to read, but I think it's important for people to understand what's happening here. So for folks who are out of the loop, can you just give us the top lines on what was uncovered in this report?
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Bev Turner
So there are estimated to have been 250,000 young girls who were abused by predominantly Pakistani Muslim men in predominantly northern towns in the UK and communities over a period of 20 years or so. And what makes this inquiry so shocking is that there was so many people around these girls that actually facilitated this. And I mean, social workers, doctors, police officers, taxi drivers. So these were young, poor, white girls, the kind that didn't have parents who were looking out for them, the most vulnerable in society. And there are the most terrible stories, for instance, of girls who would go to the police and the police would tell them that they were asking for it. These are 14, 15 year old girls. Look down. And then there was one occasion where a taxi driver arrived, one of the guys who'd been abusing the girls, and the police allowed this taxi driver to take her away in the back of the car. There are instances of pregnancy suffered by these girls, then having forced abortions. It's a litany of evil, frankly. And we shouldn't have had to have Rupert Lowe as an MP take the action to have this inquiry done. But subsequent governments have avoided it. These were predominantly labor run constituencies with predominantly labor counselors in the areas. There were police officers who were members of the Labour Party. And so it's been this enormous cover up. And this inquiry has been led by the girls themselves, who are now, of course, young women, and they feel like they're finally getting their voices heard. It isn't getting the publicity that it deserves, though, in the uk, let me tell you. Mm.
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Cabot Phillips
This report, it's maddening and it uses this term systemic abuse to describe what's going on here. Can you explain that for us a bit? Just, just how organized is this criminal enterprise? How organized are these gangs? How do they operate?
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Bev Turner
Well, if you talk to the victims, the survivors, they will tell you this is still going on today. They will say that this hasn't changed at all in many ways, and that these very tight knit, predominantly, as I say, Muslim Pakistani communities look out for each other. They don't. Some of them see the harm in this. They see these girls as white, non Muslim girls who can be used and abused in this way. Now, the COVID up was basically because the people who tried to blow the whistle didn't want to be accused of being racist. And so that came out in a report, an official report called Baroness Casey did a report in 2025 and she, almost reluctantly, it has to say, concluded that Asian men were overrepresented in these stories. But some of the campaigners have been trying very hard to make it clear that that is not factually accurate. These aren't Asian men, they're not Chinese, they're not even Indian. Men, they are predominantly Pakistani born Muslim men who've looked out for each other, who've used these girls sexually for power, for pleasure, for all sorts of depraved reasons. And hopefully now we might find people actually go to prison because that has not happened enough.
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Cabot Phillips
I want to read. We covered this report extensively at the Daily Wire and I want to read a line from the reporting that really jumped out to me and it said, research from this report alleges that criminals convicted of taking part in group based sexual exploitation of children. 87% of the men convicted of that sexual exploitation of children, 87% carried distinctly Muslim names. This is a country where less than 10% of the population is Muslim. So why are members of this particular community so much more likely to carry out these horrific crimes?
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Bev Turner
Culture, misogyny, extremely patriarchal cultures that they've come from. And in fact, you mentioned the fact that they were immigrants, some of them will have been born in the uk. They have just been inculcated with a terrible kind of a medieval, uncivilized, barbaric opinion of young, white, poor girls and sexuality. And the idea that they were just there and continue to be there for their use. It genuinely is as simple as that. There is a massive cultural difference. But the problem is, as soon as anybody in the media says, hang on a minute, this is not Asian men, this is predominantly Muslim Pakistani men, they have been sidelined, they've been censored, they've been told. You can't say that even now. On the back of this report, we had some breakfast presenters on the uk, on itv, one of the main channels this week, talking about this with one of the survivors, Sammy Woodhouse. She's one of the main protagonist in this story. She was horribly abused and she's come through that with real strength. And now she campaigns over this issue. And she was told before she went on air, don't mention the ethnicity of the perpetrators. And so during that interview, she actually called out the hosts and she said, hang on, I have been told I am not allowed to say that these were Muslim Pakistani men. This is the show that Piers Morgan in the UK actually used to host the breakfast show. And the hosts look very nervous. And they said, well, we don't know why you've been told. Told to say that, we don't know. And they got very fidgety and very uncomfortable with it, but they still didn't say Muslim Pakistani men. That is the bit that is still very problematic in the UK because we have a powerful elite that is running the show. Who have a very socialist agenda and the Muslim votes is very important to our socialist government. The alignment is very, very strong. And so who knows what will happen, whether this report will make any difference to those gangs around the country that still exist to this day? We saw the Henry Novak case recently, massive publicity here in America. And that was because those police officers, when Henry Novak had been stabbed by a Sikh on the streets in the uk, the police believed the perpetrator when he said he'd been racially abused by Henry and Henry lay dying on the floor and they didn't check him for stab wounds because the DEI training had encouraged these police officers to see race and identity before compassion. And these rape gangs are the same issue thematically that we're struggling from enormously in the uk.
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Cabot Phillips
Is there any reckoning, do you have any sort of optimism that the British people will wake up to what's going on and that they will vote these people out of office who have facilitated this, who have covered it up, who have continued to lie to their people and said all cultures are the same, there's no one culture that's better than the other. And these people are enriching our own culture with their values when they come here. Are those people going to be voted out of office?
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Bev Turner
Your timing of that question could not be better. Tomorrow morning in the uk, we have what I believe will be the most significant political vote in the last 12 months. And it's will decide, I think, the temperature of politics in the UK for the next 10 years. Tomorrow is a by election in which Rupert Lowe, as the guy that has commissioned this rape gang inquiry, has fielded a candidate for his party, the Restore Party. Rupert Lowe has become an arch enemy of a man called Nigel Farage, of which the viewers and listeners to this will be very familiar. For the Reform Party, Keir Starmer, our Prime Minister, is about to probably be kicked out of office. The only man that can threaten him is called Andy Burnham. He's the Mayor of Manchester. But he can't threaten him in a leadership campaign because he isn't an MP. Tomorrow morning, he stands in this election as an mp. There will be Andy Burnham for Labor. There will be a candidate for the Restore Party, AKA the people who've commissioned this report. And there'll be a candidate for Nigel Farage. What happens tomorrow morning is by election will literally decide the future of, of politics in the uk. And in answer to your question, it will tell us whether the voting public is ready to go for a right wing party such as Reform. A further right party such as Restore or will they vote for the Labour Party? And Andy Burnham, if he wins, he's going to challenge our Prime Minister in the next couple of weeks and everything will change in the uk. So watch very carefully what happens tomorrow, because there is an awakening and there is a reckoning happening at the moment. We had local elections and in this particular constituency, it's called Makerfield in Greater Manchester in the north of the uk, in this constituency, the Reform Party kicked out the majority of the Labour councillors who were only voted in 18 months ago. So if that is any test of the temperature, the voters have had enough. They want secure borders, they want stronger law and order. They want less dei, they want much less illegal migration. They are sick of paying the highest taxes that we've had for 70 years and not being able to get an appointment with their doctor in the uk. So watch what happens tomorrow because all roads will lead to the next election in the UK in two, maybe two and a half years. And it will start effectively tomorrow morning in the uk.
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Cabot Phillips
Well, we will absolutely be watching that race, as you said, incredibly consequential. Bev, thank you so much for being with us for this story. Not a fun story to talk about, but it is an important story people need to be paying attention to. If nothing else, for justice for these women and girls who have been abused. This cover up needs to be exposed. So, Bev, thank you for your work in doing that. We really appreciate your time.
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Bev Turner
Thank you.
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Cabot Phillips
That was Bev Turner, host with GB News. All right, let's now jump across town to Daily Wire, White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. Mary Margaret, thanks for coming on as always. It's great to see you.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Good to see you too, Cavett.
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Cabot Phillips
So the big story continues to be the Iran deal. We spent all week waiting to see what would be in it. We were having a phone conversation before the show and it was fascinating hearing your account of how you got the details of this memorandum that laid out all of the points. Tell us what that was like.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Yeah, absolutely. So earlier today, while the President was speaking, actually just as his pressure had started in Geneva, we got an email from the White House saying that there was going to be a press call in which they would share details about the memorandum of understanding. And obviously, Kabbat, this is all anyone here in Washington is talking about. All anyone wants to know, not just in Washington, actually all over the country, is what does that memorandum of understanding, the mou, actually say? Because all week long we've been hearing from the Trump administration that the Reports that we're seeing from Bloomberg, from cnn, from Iranian media, are not actually what's in the memorandum. And so we should just wait and see what the memorandum actually says. For a little while. It sounded like we weren't going to see it until Friday, but today we get. We get this notification for the call. So I hop on and I listen in and some very top senior administration officials get on and they tell us they're going to read to us this MoU so that we can all have it for ourselves and understand what's in it. So we wrote about it for dailywire.com you can see right there. Great. That's the whole MOU. Yeah. Go dailywire.com Cassia, Akiva and I co bylined. You can see the whole MOU right there. Now, this agreement, it lays out a framework for sanctions relief, access to frozen Iranian assets, and negotiations over Iran's nuclear program. So everyone's kind of diving into it, piecing through. But what's really interesting, Cabot, is the consternation that we're seeing between some of the President's statements at this press conference and then the MOU itself. So while we're all learning about what it says and we're trying to figure out whether that conflicts with what we've heard before and kind of understand this MoU in general, the President was making a lot of interesting statements at this press conference that raised some eyebrows. Some of it was probably just Trump being Trump, but other pieces of it had people very interested. And it was just a crazy news day in general. And it's not even over yet.
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Cabot Phillips
Whenever you start telling us. I had a phone call with senior administration officials. I don't know about our audience, but my mind starts racing thinking, who did she get to talk to on the phone? That's so cool. But I know you can't disclose your sources. You can't tell us. I'm not gonna put you on the record there, but you mentioned Trump being Trump at this press conference today. I wanna play a clip that is maybe the ultimate example of Trump being Trump. Here he is talking about J.D. vance and basically saying, if the deal doesn't go well, I'll just blame J.D. let's play that clip.
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Donald Trump
This way, if it works out, I'm gonna take the credit. If it doesn't work out, I'm blaming J.D. you better be careful, J.D. he's gonna turn his plane around and get the hell out of here. Yeah, I like that idea. I think it's a good idea. Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you.
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Cabot Phillips
They say that all humor has at least a little kernel of truth to it. J.D. vance was kind of famously one of the top administration officials who was opposed to this war at the beginning. Now his face is kind of tied to this process. What do you make of this comment and the broader media push of JD Vance being put out there to defend this deal?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Well, it's all certainly very interesting, Cabot, especially with the backdrop of the next presidential election. Obviously, in Washington here, we talk a lot about this mou, but whenever JD Vance is on television, whenever his name is involved, everyone's wondering, is this what differentiates him? Is this what makes him the 2028 presidential candidate? So that backdrop is always there. Now, a couple of things I want to point out. Number one, that comment that the President made, he was actually kind of set up for that comment by Peter Doocy, the Fox News reporter, one of my colleagues at the White House. Doocy literally said to him, are you going to take credit for this deal if it works out? And if it doesn't, are you going to blame J.D. vance? So he really set him up for that. But it is an interesting question because it is exactly the kind of thing that you could see playing out, Right? And the President, you know, he said it. Maybe he was being a little facetious, but at the same time, that is probably what will happen if things go south with this. It will sort of be defined as J.D. vance's legacy. Right. The President could easily shoulder it off on him. Now, I should Note here that J.D. vance, Steve Witkoff, and Jared Kushner are the three main negotiators who have really been involved in. In all of this Iran deal. But another interesting point is that JD Vance has a book that just came out. It's actually on my coffee table behind me. I've been reading it. It's about his faith. It's about how he journeyed his life.
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Mike Pence
What's the book called?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Communion, I believe.
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Cabot Phillips
That explains why you're reading it. A good Catholic girl.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
I am a good Catholic girl. It's about his journey from, I believe, a Protestant sect to atheism to Catholicism. Ultimately, and I can say from reading it, it really is focused on his faith. Now he's doing a book tour currently, which is supposed to be about the book. And he's going on all these different shows, but what it's kind of turned into is the Iran Deal book tour, because he's going on all these shows ostensibly to talk about the book, but they're talking about the Iran deal So, for example, he went on Megyn Kelly yesterday and long interview. They talk about the book, but they really do get into Iran. You know, that's the whole purpose of the interview at the end of the day. And interestingly, he went on the View yesterday as well, and they did not ask him a single question about Iran, which I found really interesting, given that, you know, ostensibly they're a news show, but I think they more cared about attacking him on immigration and affordability and Epstein than actually talking about the news of the day, which you might expect from a show like that. So, at the end of the day, it's really interesting. Vance seems to be doing a really good job defending the deal. Now, it kind of depends on whether you like the deal, whether you like the job that Vance is doing, but I think from a news perspective, he's. He's. He's setting the record straight on the deal. He's getting the message out there. Kind of remains to be seen how the dust settles if the deal is actually signed on Friday, if now that we know what's in it, the people who disagree with the deal and who have objections and want to get other stuff in can make their voices heard loud enough to the President to affect some change in that before it gets signed.
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Cabot Phillips
Yeah. That is oftentimes the job of the Vice President going out and selling his boss's message. And if you're judging the success of JD Vance and that message sharing, based on his appearance on the View, you'd say he did pretty well, because he went into the lion's den, and there was a clip of Joy Behar after the interview. She did a separate podcast after the View, and she said, you know, he actually seems like a pretty decent fella. I actually. I told him that he should run for President because basically, he doesn't seem like those other Republicans. He's, you know, he's conservative. So I don't like him, but he seemed like a pretty good guy. I was like, well, he won the Joy Behar endorsement of stars.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
That's fascinating.
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Cabot Phillips
I thought that was very interesting.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Yeah, Cabot. There was one thing I wanted to point out from that View interview, and I found this the funniest. He walks onto the set, and all of the women kind of were like, oh, he's so tall. And it was this kind of funny moment where they all were. I don't know if they were, you know, pleasantly surprised with the VP's appearance. I don't know what was going on there, but there was this moment where they all Kind of joked about how tall he is, and he joked that, you know, he has a big head, and that's why you don't notice how tall he is on television. But I thought it was funny, and it was not what I was expecting at all from his kind of appearance on the View.
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Cabot Phillips
As a tall guy with a big head, I can relate to that. And I'll also say, I think I've told the story before on the show. When we went to the RNC in 2024, I had. I kid you not, our staff can back me up on this. I'm not exaggerating. I had about a half dozen people throughout the week excitedly run up to me, thinking I was J.D. vance and getting close and going, oh, oh, you're not him. And I'd say, do you think I'm J.D. vance? They go, yes. And I'd say, hey, not all tall white guys with beards look the same. We're different people.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
This is true.
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Cabot Phillips
Thank you.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Discriminatory.
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Cabot Phillips
Mary Margaret, our audience, if you're watching on Spotify and Apple, you're missing out on chances to get live questions in while the show is going on. And you're also missing out on the Q and A that happens at the end of each show. We're gonna start the Q and A soon, so become a Daily Wire member. If you're not, go to dailywire.com subscribe, get your questions in while we're filming live. But, Mary Margaret, we got some questions in the chat for you that I have to ask. Brick, Flag, Patriot. Mary Margaret, what has surprised you most about the inner workings of the White House working in a position so close to the president?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Ooh, that's a great question. I think that just the rapid pace. It is insane in there, the amount of press inquiries that the press office gets just all day long, you know, whenever anything happens that we at the Daily Wire want to know about, I'm the one that's emailing the White House saying, hey, do you have a statement? Can you comment? What's going on with this? Is this true? Can you confirm it? And I'm just one person. So imagine from every single news outlet out there, including these confrontational outlets. And what's interesting is they get back to a lot of these people. There's a lot of responses, even to these negative outlets or these confrontational outlets, where they're setting the record straight up. So that's really interesting to me. And then also just, you know, the amount of, I would guess, I would say, strategy that goes into so many of these meetings, so many of these press conferences, so many of these conversations. I have to say I'm glad I'm on this side of the, on this side of the camera, I guess, because it's a hard job being in the comm strategy shop and I'd rather be reporting on it than planning what's going out there.
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Cabot Phillips
And as hard as the job is in the Trump administration, in the comm shop, imagine how much harder it would be if you worked for a president, say, who was completely losing his mental faculties and couldn't string together two sentences and was falling asleep on the debate stage. Imagine how much harder that would be. One more question from our audience. Someone saying, Mary Margaret, I know you often travel with the president and his team. Long hours. What is the most tired you have ever been covering the White House?
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Well, I've seen some comments on here lately saying Mary Margaret's voice is messed up. Is this true, you guys? I'm sick or I was sick and my voice is slowly coming back. So say, say some prayers for me. I get it back because I have a speaking event tomorrow. But no, I think some of the longest hours are when you're on Air Force One with the president and you get back really late. So if you don't want to be sleeping on the plane or you're nervous that the president is going to come back and talk to you and you're going to be asleep and it's going to be weird, then you want to be awake and ready to go. And so some of those trips can be long. I haven't done an international trip with the president yet, but on those ones, you can be on that plane for like 14 hours before you get back to Washington and get in your bed. There was one where I didn't get back until 3am with the Vice president. I think we were coming from California or something like that. So there can be some long hours and it can be interesting, but it's a good time, too. And it never gets old. The adrenaline rush of getting on the plane, of seeing the vice president or the president walk right up to you and look you in the eye and be like, all right, what you got? That's pretty fun. So it's a privilege.
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Cabot Phillips
I love the humble brag there of saying, yeah, traveling on Air Force One, just reminding us that you do, in fact travel on Air Force One. I have heard stories from friends who have worked for the president and they describe how, first of all, he never sleeps. And they say, yeah, he'll just expect he'll walk on the plane at one in the morning and people are sleeping. He'll kind of give him a look of like, really, are you that weak you're falling asleep? And I've heard from friends where they will set up almost like in the military, where you'll have one guy be the lookout and you'll let a couple other guys get a little sleep. And then when the sergeant comes, you wake everyone up and say, yep, we've been awake the whole time. And friends who work for the president say that they'll have lookouts to see if the president is coming so they can sleep at three in the morning when he is working. But Mary Margaret, we will leave it there. Always a pleasure to have you. Thank you so much.
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Mary Margaret Olihan
Thank you, Cabot.
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Mike Pence
All right.
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Cabot Phillips
That was Daily Wire White House correspondent Mary Margaret Olihan. I'm Cabot Phillips. This was Wired In. Thank you so much for watching on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. If you want to join our live Q and a, go to dailywire.com subscribe, watch the show there, and take part in our looming Q and A at the end of every episode. Thank you guys so much for tuning in.