Broke, Horny and OnlyFamous in Sin City | 2

Summary

Podcast Summary: Witness – Sex, Lies and Streaming

Episode 2: Broke, Horny and OnlyFamous in Sin City
Host: news.com.au, James Weir
Release Date: October 12, 2025

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode explores the glitter, complexity, and reality behind the OnlyFans explosion and the broader subscription porn industry. Set against the chaotic backdrop of the Las Vegas Porn Expo, journalist James Weir investigates the gap between viral fame and average earnings, uncovers rivalries within the adult industry, and follows the elusive and controversial OnlyFans creator Bonnie Blue. The episode juxtaposes glitzy success stories with the financial hardship most performers face, while also highlighting the evolving dynamics between legacy studio porn and new-age, DIY content creators.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Industry Perceptions & Stigma

Charlie Ford, a successful Australian porn star, describes the stigma and misunderstood aspects of sex work, advocating for respect and intelligence behind the work:

"There's a lot of slut shaming when it comes to our industry and people just don't understand... It can be an intelligent decision to make for yourself."
(Charlie Ford, 00:01)

2. Contrasting Paths: Studio vs. DIY Porn

• Charlie Ford's Journey: Started as a veterinarian, entered adult entertainment to pay bills. Built a career in the traditional studio system before switching to content creation and running her own company.
  • Quote: "I love producing and directing and I love cinematic porn specifically... I personally love creating cinematic porn."
    (Charlie Ford, 02:33)
• Industry Splits: Tension between legacy studio performers and a new wave of independent, online creators like Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips, who got famous through viral stunts and content on platforms like OnlyFans.

3. Economic Reality of OnlyFans & Subscription Platforms

• The myth of universal riches:

  • Average creator earns less than $100/month.
  • Top 1% make over $40k/month and claim a third of total earnings.
  • Most creators earn closer to $50/month.

• Financial Advice: Even successful creators, like Charlie Ford, emphasize managing money and long-term planning, noting the volatility of the career.

  "You can make really good money if you treat it like a business... but for many, the monthly reality is closer to 50 bucks."
  (James Weir & Charlie Ford, 04:30–05:12)

4. Stories from the Vegas Porn Expo

• Lana (Avalon Saff): Canadian stripper and online creator, shares quirky custom content requests (like "fart porn"):
  • "I've been paid like 200 bucks to send a guy a video of me just farting on camera."
    (Charlie Ford, 11:09)
  • She makes about $200/month from OnlyFans, mostly from tips and custom content, and notes OnlyFans’ 20% commission.
• Many attendees are amateur creators seeking tips to ‘level up’.

5. Earnings, Gig Economy, and Job Security in Adult Entertainment

• Brett Musset (ex-army, studio-turned-DIY performer): Studio work offered less autonomy and caused burnout; OnlyFans is more work for (often) less money, especially at first.

  "The first six months were hard... After six months, you learn how to retain your followers... you work a lot more for a lot less money."
  (Brett Musset, 19:49–20:16)

• Dread Zway: Took years to make his content profitable; emphasizes the endless pressure to produce fresh and extreme material to avoid fan boredom.

  "It's just a constant grind. Just like any business, you're constantly trying to figure out what's the next level, where do you need to improve."
  (Dread Zway, 22:19)

6. The Rise of Viral Stunts & Publicity Feuds

• Bonnie Blue & Lily Phillips: Gained notoriety via headline-grabbing, large-scale sex stunts (e.g., mass "gangbang challenges").
• The industry has become an “attention economy,” rewarding those who push boundaries.
  • "We've had these two ladies turning up at university dormitories to try and take young boys' virginity... men queuing up in masks to take part."
    (Charlie Ford, 22:58)

7. Streaming, Camming, and Building a Fanbase

• Nova Hawthorne: Successful Aussie cam girl and OnlyFans creator; started with nudes on Reddit, moved to professional camming, now streams up to 120 hours/week during contests.
  • Cam sites use tipping economies for interactive fantasy experiences.
  • Quote: "I have a saying that I'll make them have the most confused wank because they'll be laughing while they're so horny."
    (Nova Hawthorne, 28:16)
• Even mundane life moments (“washing the dishes or vacuuming the house”) are streamed for tips.

8. Old Guard vs. New Guard: Angela White vs. Bonnie Blue

• Angela White: Australia’s most decorated porn star, example of studio system professionalism and control.
• Bonnie Blue: Viral but divisive, openly disregards older norms and ‘rules’. Faced skepticism and envy at the expo.
  • "A lot of them are intimidated by me... I'm making their content no longer relevant because... I now beat world records and sleep with random people and make relevant content and it's sort of pushing theirs out the way so they're threatened by me."
    (Bonnie Blue, 37:16)

9. The Cost of Fame & Isolation in the Industry

• Bonnie, though at the heart of the expo, is also isolated—missed fan appearances, wary of other creators’ intentions, constantly navigating rumor and rivalry.
  • "I'm not really close with other content creators... Like, a lot of them are intimidated by me... it's treated like high school a lot of the time and I'm too big to entertain people gossip."
    (Bonnie Blue, 37:04–37:48)

10. Fans & Fame: From Trading Cards to Celebrity Encounters

• Bonnie is swarmed by fans ranging from those with custom trading cards to hopeful young creators wanting her "co-sign."

• Some fans are simply collectors:

  "I like cards of beautiful women, that's all. And I made them of her. It's just something cool."
  (Tino Capo Bianco, 42:56)

• Even rapper Young Gravy makes an appearance, observing,

  "People are wild... there's a lot of wholesome motherfuckers here."
  (Young Gravy & James Weir, 45:17–45:51)

11. Peer Perceptions and Jealousy

• Fellow performers, like Maddie Collins, recognize the tension and jealousy surrounding viral DIY stars:
  • "When you see somebody just come out of... nowhere and really kill it like that, I think there's a little bit of like, oh, I wish I could do that, that it kind of rubs people a little bit in a jealous way."
    (Maddie Collins, 46:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Does everyone have their bags, spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch? Everyone."
  (Charlie Ford, 03:29)
  – Shows camaraderie and humor within the performer group.

• "You gotta take ownership of your own farts, honestly."
  (James Weir, 12:57)

  • A cheeky exchange highlighting the absurdity and entrepreneurial spirit in custom content.

• "Can you make anything sound sexy when you use that voice?"
  (James Weir, 29:15)

  • Demonstrates the performative, tongue-in-cheek side of camming.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 00:01 | Charlie Ford on industry stigma and personal journey | | 04:30 | Myths vs. reality of OnlyFans earnings | | 11:09 | Lana (Avalon Saff) on bizarre custom content | | 15:03 | Liz River’s entry into fetish work and platform rivalry | | 19:49 | Brett Musset on transitioning from studio porn to OnlyFans | | 22:37 | Dread Zway on marketing and the grind of content creation | | 22:58 | Viral stunts and publicity feuds (Bonnie Blue/Lily Phillips) | | 25:44 | Nova Hawthorne’s camming routine and income mechanics | | 28:16 | Nova’s philosophy: "most confused wank" | | 36:05 | Bonnie Blue reappears; rivalry with other creators examined | | 38:29 | Bonnie on animosity from the "old guard" | | 45:17 | Young Gravy on the Porn Expo crowd | | 46:42 | Maddie Collins on envy within the industry | | 47:38 | Industry warnings: "the faster you go up, the faster you go down" |

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Conclusion

This episode lays bare the illusion of luxury and easy money that surrounds platforms like OnlyFans, contrasting it with the real economic struggle and personal complexity for most adult content creators. Through candid interviews, unexpected humor, and dramatic scenes at the Porn Expo, it spotlights the evolving—and often hostile—relationship between industry veterans and viral newcomers. Amidst the glitz, rivalry, and Instagram-ready personas, the episode continually asks: who is really empowered in the new digital gig economy of sex?

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Next time on Witness: Sex, Lies and Streaming
The story continues as Bonnie Blue faces backstage drama, security scares, and the fight for legitimacy—with exclusive insights from Angela White.

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Transcript

[Charlie Ford]

Well, it's a very misunderstood industry, so I'm very protective of it. I think there's a lot of slut shaming when it comes to our industry and I think people just don't understand that. It can be an intelligent decision to make for yourself. I've also had Barry.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Charlie Ford is talking about sex work while milling about a humble suburban apartment as she gets ready for a night out with hundreds of other porn stars at a party. It's the beginning of a huge week, the most important season of the porn industry. For the next seven days, Charlie, along with every other male adult film star from around the world, will rub up alongside each other in more ways than one at the annual Porn Expo in Las Vegas. In the next room, fellow Aussie Nova Hawthorne, one of the country's most popular X rated cam girls, is putting the finishing touches on her outfit while Charlie books an Uber.

[Charlie Ford]

What is the address? We're even going to the. I don't know.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

It's the Palladium.

[Charlie Ford]

I wonder if it'll come up. It comes up.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

At 35 years old, Charlie has made a name for herself as a porn powerhous. With her sweet and approachable blonde girl next door looks, she has carved out a unique genre of adult entertainment that she describes as Australiana. And it has catapulted her from the dusty streets of Brisbane, Queensland, to the glitzy hills of Hollywood, where she's represented by the biggest porn agent in the business, Mark Spiegler. It wasn't the life she planned.

[Charlie Ford]

I was a veterinarian. I was just graduating vet school and I needed a way to pay my bills and a friend suggested I try it and I did. And I found out I was really good at it and I loved it. So I started and I started like shooting for companies and realized that there aren't many companies in Australia available for me to work for. So I started my own company and so I operated that for years.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Amateur DIY platforms like OnlyFans hadn't yet disrupted the industry when Charlie first started doing porn about six years ago. Instead, she's one of the few newer performers who made a name for herself in the traditional studio system, where big production companies like Brazzes, Bang Bros. And Reality Kings hire performers to be in their movies that are noticeably more slick than the amateur content by creators like Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips on platforms like OnlyFans. Like most studio pros, Charlie now also publishes content on DIY sites. But she prefers the old school side of the biz in the industry battle lines have formed between the two camps.

[Charlie Ford]

I love producing and directing and I love cinematic porn specifically. And I don't see as much of that in content land. Not that there's anything wrong with amateur content at all. There's a market for both of them. It's just that I personally love creating cinematic porn, so I decided to make that. Basically, why not fuck it, literally.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

At the end of this week, Charli, along with every other major performer, will be at the Oscars of porn, where she's nominated in several Best Double Penetration Sex Scene, Best Orgy Scene, and MILF Performer of the year. More importantly, this week is about networking with peers and meeting the fans who pay their bills at around the clock parties and events. Suddenly, Charlie gets a message from the Uber driver. He's arriving. She does a last minute sweep of the apartment, rallying Nova and their other friends.

[Charlie Ford]

Does everyone have their bags, spectacles, testicles, wallet and watch? Everyone.

[Maddie Collins]

I got it.

[Bonnie Blue]

Hi, babies.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Charlie leads the group out of the apartment and they huddle into a lift that zooms down to the basement car park.

[Charlie Ford]

Everyone's got an id, right?

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Yeah. The elevator quickly clouds up with the sweet perfume the girls sprayed. Before leaving, they do some last minute.

[Charlie Ford]

Preening our teeth whitening strips on. So just have a list.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

You've got a list. Charlie adjusts her hot pink dress that wouldn't look out of place at a high school formal.

[Charlie Ford]

I bought it four months ago and it wasn't expensive. And I mean, I don't know, I'm a budget girly. I'm not someone who spends a great deal of money or lives a lavish lifestyle. So I like to save my money for work.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Really?

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That's interesting because so much of the coverage these days, particularly with the OnlyFans models, is, you know, people making millions of dollars a year and how they're getting on private jets and living in penthouses. What's the reality of your life?

[Charlie Ford]

Well, they've studied only fans and the average person makes $400 a month. So that's what I always tell people when they're thinking about doing OnlyFans. You can make really good money if you treat it like a business and you get the perfect team. But if you don't know what you're doing, that is the literal average that's been studied. So yeah, it's a legitimate business.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

It might even be less than that. OnlyFans made around $7.2 billion in 2024. Creators took home about 5.8 billion of that thanks to the platform's 8020 revenue. Split sounds good, right? But spread across 4.6 million creators, the average income is about $1,200 a year, just over 100 bucks a month. But that's only part of the story. The top 1%, roughly 46,000 creators, reportedly pocket a third of all the cash, making upwards of 40 grand every month. The top 10% also scoop up nearly three quarters of the earnings. That leaves the remaining 90% more than 4 million creators to share what's left. For many of them, the monthly reality is closer to 50 bucks. So while a select few are living the private jet fantasy, the vast majority are getting little more than pocket change. How much do you kind of like pinch your pennies and actually worry about your money in this industry?

[Charlie Ford]

For me, because I run a company, I do a lot of that and I think everyone should, even if they make a lot of money, you know, I think this industry only lasts for so long in your life, unless you're wanting to work until you're 70, which is also fine. But then you need to be able to have money to invest and take care of yourself long term and retire.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And like in the, the way that you do it with running your business and working in studios. For someone who wants to follow in your footsteps, is it lucrative?

[Charlie Ford]

I don't tend to talk to people about the lucrativeness because it's different for everyone. I know people who have been nearly homeless and worked in this industry and I know people who have done very well. So I don't think anyone should ever come into the industry for the sake of money because that, that's a terrible reason to enter the adult industry. I think, like, it is a good career, it can be a good career, but I wouldn't bank on it necessarily. Yeah.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I've just walked in and I'm surrounded by dildos and everyone's wearing PVC pants. Oh, there's antibacterial wipes. Well, that's helpful. It's the first day of the porn convention and streams of fans are weaving past the ching, ching, chinging slot machines inside this casino to view the sexy exhibits, check out the X rated stalls and meet their favorite porn stars. In some beautiful symbolism, the porn expo happens right next door to a Dunkin Donuts, which means fans here can begin their day by picking up some Dunkin Donuts or going next door to dunk their donuts. Strolling the hallway like it's a catwalk is Lexi Cox, a blonde bombshell in Balenciaga sneakers and a white miniskirt. Men trip over themselves at the Sight of her and almost in slow motion turn their heads to gawk. If this was an episode of the Looney Tunes, their eyes would pop out of their heads. Why? Because Lexi's tiny pink T shirt is stretched tightly over her beach ball sized breasts. I am a professional. Big boobs Haver. And what size are your boobs? They're the second biggest boobs in the world. Wow. They're 10,000 cc's. How heavy are they? 40 pounds. And why did you get them? Because I love them. Everybody loves teddies. Amid this pornographic flurry, that's why. Forming in the middle of the desert like a sexy mirage, one person is noticeably missing. It's 1:20 in the afternoon. Bonnie Blue is meant to be here in about half an hour to meet and greet fans who are coming to get posters and memorabilia signed and to meet her. But she's still mia. The controversial porn star is at large. I was meant to meet up with her this morning as she got ready to come to the convention. I just received a text message from her publicist saying that she's still sick after the world record attempt where she slept with about a thousand guys in 12 hours. And they don't know whether she's going to be able to make it or even continue on the rest of the porn convention. I mean, she's scheduled to be at a panel later today. They've promised that she is actually in the city after she missed the private jet that she chartered to get from LA to Las Vegas. And I guess the search continues to try and meet Bonnie Blue. For someone who presents themselves as an open book, making a career out of grabbing headlines, ruffling feathers and exposing all of themselves, it's a peculiar twist for the curtains to suddenly get drawn. Bonnie's Instagram has gone dark and she has seemingly gone to ground. While I wait, I roam the halls, perusing the butt plugs and gathering instructional pamphlets. Many of the punters here are amateur creators themselves. They're looking to network with their idols and get tips and tricks from industry titans in the hope they can catapult themselves to the next level. I start thinking about what Aussie porn star Charlie Ford told me about the financial reality for most performers who enter the industry these days. They're not exactly chartering private jets and renting mansions like Bonnie.

[Charlie Ford]

I've been paid like 200 bucks to send a guy a video of me just farting on camera.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That's Lana, a stripper from Toronto, Canada, who started making online content about a year ago under the screen name Avalon. Saff, dressed in fishnet lingerie and nipple pasties. She's wandering around the convention with a chain attached to a collar that's strapped around her neck. Holding the leash is her boyfriend, Ryan. They met in high school and have been in a polyamorous relationship for three years. They're both telling me about the demands Lana receives for bespoke X rated content.

[Charlie Ford]

Like fart porn.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Tell me about it.

[Brett Musset]

No smell? Nothing. Just. Just the video of audible farting. Just a video of, like hearing someone fart?

[Charlie Ford]

Yeah.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Are you into it, Ryan?

[Charlie Ford]

No, no, no, no, no. Those are for my pay pigs.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Those are for your pay pigs? Adequately named. How much are you making a month through your online work?

[Charlie Ford]

Well, I have some people that subscribe to my OnlyFans, but then also pay me for private content.

[Brett Musset]

OnlyFans by itself doesn't really pay that much because they take up a massive amount of your income.

[Charlie Ford]

Like, for example, one of my subs sent me $100 on OnlyFans, and I only received 80 of it because OnlyFans takes a good 20% of whatever income you have. So from. From like OnlyFans and Doming and stuff like that, I guess I'd make like around 200amonth.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

200Amonth?

[Charlie Ford]

Yeah, I'm still new.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

So. How much did you make from your farting video?

[Charlie Ford]

Again, around 200.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And so onlyfans would have taken. Is that $40?

[Charlie Ford]

Well, I did that. I sold that video privately.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Okay, so OnlyFans did not profit off your farting video?

[Charlie Ford]

No.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Good.

[Charlie Ford]

Okay.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Showing it to the man.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Right.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

You gotta take ownership of your own farts, honestly.

[Charlie Ford]

Right.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

They're yours, babe.

[Charlie Ford]

They're mine. They're mine. And I know they're good. It's kind of fucking hilarious. We definitely have a big sense of humor in our relationship. We're always cracking jokes, always making each other laugh. So pretty much we'll find anything funny.

[Brett Musset]

Yeah, like, sex is supposed to be playful, right? Like, if you're not laughing throughout the whole time, like, what are you doing?

[Charlie Ford]

Yes, I laugh 247 while you fucking. Okay.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

People having sex online is nothing new. Being exhibitionists and showing off and trying to make money has always existed. And some may say that is kind of the basis of the Internet in so many ways. That's why the Internet exists. In the 90s, X rated membership sites were popular, and now that idea has evolved into subscription platforms. OnlyFans is certainly not the only pay per view platform available for people wanting to become porn stars. There's other popular sites, like justforfans loyal fans and fansly. But much like Google has become a generic catch all term used to describe the act of looking up something on the Internet, or how Kleenex is the major brand name for tissues, the phrase OnlyFans has sort of become a sweeping way to describe any and all amateur sex content posted online. OnlyFans experienced unprecedented growth during 2023. By 2024, the platform had 4.6 million creators and more than 377 million registered users, an increase of 24% on the previous year. The idea of a membership model is so deeply ingrained in pornography that it's almost retro.

[Bonnie Blue]

So I was teen mom and I didn't really know how to do anything and I was trying to figure out how to make the most money and spend the least time working. And I bought this book called like Modeling for Dummies or something like that.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That's Liz River. She's an attractive but not overtly sexy 43 year old from Ohio.

[Bonnie Blue]

It took me to a website called One Model Place and the first people to offer me a job did a cast fetish shoot. So this was like, you wear a real cast but you're not. Your leg is not really broken or whatever. They were super cool and I really felt like they were my people and it just kind of snowballed from there.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Now Liz works as a creator liaison for loyal fans. One of the major rivals of OnlyFans, she says she can relate to the fledgling new performers. She helps advise and understands the common desire to make cash quick while working minimal hours.

[Bonnie Blue]

I felt seen, I felt like we're kind of sort of like the island of misfit toys, like people who don't really fit in other places. You know, we're not quite theater kids, we're not quite, you know, executives, but we all kind of have those acumen, you know.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

What has changed in recent years is the access and availability of porn. With sites like OnlyFans, it seems like we're living through a fornicating phenomenon. With an influx of DIY amateur porn stars who are just as popular as Instagram influencers, it's easier to watch than ever before and easier to participate. In a way, the porn industry in 2025 has become a wild west where anything goes. Like the people sitting at slot machines inside this casino, many adult content creators are gambling in the hope of hitting the jackpot. There's no guarantee they'll be rewarded for exposing themselves. Just a hope that maybe with the right luck, they might score big time. Marching through the expo with great determination is Brett Musset, a 28 year old from Miami Beach, Florida. With his blue velvet blazer and slicked back hair, he carries himself with the confidence of a real estate agent. Strutting around an open house inspection. There's a gold chain hanging around his neck with a thick paint pendant that spells out one word, king. He got into porn around 2017. What led him there? The army.

[Brett Musset]

When I joined the army in 2014, a few of the other guys in my unit were in the adult entertainment industry and kind of got me started.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Was it solo stuff that they were posting online? Was it professional stuff?

[Brett Musset]

A lot of it was meeting girls at bars, coming home, shooting videos and putting them up online. Or they would go throughout the barracks and then a couple of the guys were actually signed by an agency at the time. And that's how I got into mainstream content.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Brett followed their lead and started out doing professional studio porn. But he says it left him burnt out and stressed.

[Brett Musset]

I felt like I no longer controlled the content I created. It was kind of tailored for me. I was told where to go, who I was shooting with. You don't really get a choice anymore. I would say A lot of the stressors were the constant traveling, the last minute plans, having to cancel, sometimes even holidays or plans with friends and family because my agency said I needed to be here at this time. And then you get done shooting for three, two or three days and you go straight to a different set with a whole new set of faces and different challenges.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

The pawn studio set system is a lot like the mainstream film industry in Hollywood. There's a director, a producer, a marketing team, and the performers will show up on set with only one job to do. Have sex on camera. Sometimes they also recite some cheesy dialogue from a script. Those performers will then be paid a predetermined set rate. Studio porn is often a lot less responsibility for performers. Unlike independent online creators like Bonnie Blue who have to organise cameras, hotel rooms and do all the production admin, right down to checking the IDs and verifying the ages of their co stars. But the trade off ownership and the ability to profit more. A performer in a studio porno might only be paid a one off fee of $2,000. And if they later decide they want that video deleted, well, bad luck for Brett, the ex army veteran with the gold King necklace. He left the studio system for OnlyFans. But it wasn't exactly easier. It was an uphill battle.

[Brett Musset]

Definitely. The first six months were hard. Being that I had to create My own following because you can get people to subscribe for the first month, but it's all about that continued subscription, that continued following that you tend to receive. So after six months, you kind of learn a process on how to retain your followers, what they're looking for, how to create new content that attracts them.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And what content seems to be resonating with your widest audience right now?

[Brett Musset]

I found that actually couple swaps and sometimes like out of the ordinary things like role play, different role plays, like in the street, you meet someone in the street, you take them to your hotel room, Stuff like that. Where it used to be more on, like the mainstream side, commercial content was like that. Now pov, amateur content, POV is probably one of the top search things nowadays. So rather than having a camera crew there or setting up cameras, you're holding the camera while you're making the content. So with point of view, contact, say that I'm holding the camera, then it might be a man that would subscribe to that type of content. Because it's all about imagination. It's about a fantasy. You're painting a fantasy for them where now they see it from my point of view. They get to watch the woman perform on me. I think back to like my first or second month when my payout was only like 130, 160, $60, and I was posting it on every platform I had, reaching out to people, hey, you've seen my mainstream content. Why don't you come check out my more personalized stuff? Get personalized messages. It's more. You kind of have to go out of your way a lot more, work for a lot less money.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

This fear of a plateau is what drives many creators to push their boundaries and go to extremes. Once viewers have seen you do something, once they get bored, you need to offer more. That's the case for Dread Zway, a content creator who decided to start selling amateur porn online about three years ago. He says he barely made a profit for the first two years and sometimes only generated about $500 a month. What was he posting online?

[Brett Musset]

Boy, girl, anal, degrading, stuff like that.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And so really putting like all yourself out there, you know?

[Brett Musset]

Yeah, because in this business, if you're marketing yourself like cereal, are we just gonna be in Target? Are we gonna be in Walmart? Are we gonna be in the corner stores? It's just a constant grind. Just like with any business, you're constantly trying to figure out what's the next level, where do you need to improve.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

The need to one up themselves. Seems to be what drives headline grabbing creators like Bonnie Blue and fellow Onlyfans performer Lily Phillips with their sideshow of sex stunts. The two Brits have been in the tabloids after going head to head with their respective gangbang challenges. Their antics have caused a stir on social media.

[Charlie Ford]

Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips. Who are these two OnlyFans stars who have gained fame and notoriety and many, many millions by completing what can only be described as pornographic challenges to sleep with as many men as they can in a certain time frame. We've had these two ladies turning up at university dormitories to try and take young boys virginity. We've had one of them turning up, I believe at a care home to sleep with older men. And we've seen videos of men queuing.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Up in masks to take part. But this idea of viral stunts is not isolated to porn. It's something that's creeping into every industry thanks to social media. You might see a dentist on TikTok eating the hottest chili in the world. Or your local librarian performing a lip sync video to Benson Boone. It's an attention economy that rewards those who seek it out. So it's odd that after demanding our attention, Bonnie is now evading it. Bonnie's awol. She's meant to be here right now doing a meet and greet with fans and signing posters and memorabilia. But she hasn't showed up and her publicist is still a little bit cagey on the details. Other porn stars like Charlie Ford and Lily Phillips will soon be standing diligently at their designated booths meeting endless lines of fans, mostly men who've come just to see them in the flesh. The women of their dreams, stepping out from the computer screen and standing close enough to touch. The annual porn expo is really like any other week long conference that you might go to for your workplace. There's stall holders, everyone's wearing lanyards. There are tote bags. It just so happens that in those tote bags you might have some promotional flashlights and dildos. There are business owners spruiking their brands with custom made wares. Porn stars with their faces on mouse pads and their names on pens and they're handing them out to promote themselves to potential customers. There are rows and rows of cam girls who are in bras and G strings playing up to the cameras on their laptop computers where they're performing and flirting. For guys on the Internet who are tuning in to watch them, it's like a really sexy call centre. One of these sexy call center girls is dressed like Velma from Scooby Doo, complete with orange turtleneck and page boy wig. Suddenly another cam girl with Jessica Rabbit curves waves me over. Hello, it's Charlie Ford's name, Nova Hawthorne.

[Nova Hawthorne]

I'm streaming right now live on the Internet. I've got a room of people watching me right now.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

How many people do you have watching you right now?

[Nova Hawthorne]

There's currently 414 people watching me. But who knows, there might be more not logged in.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And they're from all around the world, everywhere.

[Nova Hawthorne]

I started doing only fans when I was a dancer. When it started to be a thing, I started that in like 2018. And then I thought, then what else is there? What else can I try? And camming was something I got into early on by accident. I used to post on Reddit just for fun. Just for fun and curiosity, for free.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

What would you post on Reddit?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Nudes. Pictures of my body, pole dancing videos. Pictures with girls, naked, kissing.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And then. So then you realize you could monetize it.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Well, it wasn't until someone messaged me and offered me money for a video chat with them.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Do you remember how much money they offered in that first chat?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Well, they told me it'd set a price and I had no idea because I wasn't doing it yet. So I charged them $50. They paid me in an Amazon gift card before Amazon was in Australia. So I bought a few random products from Amazon Us and that was the proceeds of my first times with sex work.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

How many hours a day would you work doing cam?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I would probably stream six hours, four days a week. But if there's a contest or something, a goal I'm really trying to achieve, it's as much as 120 hours a week.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Are you camming for six hours straight?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I take a little breaks, but like sometimes.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

So like over those six hours, what are you doing? What am I doing?

[Nova Hawthorne]

What am I not doing? So when I'm doing like a cam, a thon, if I'm trying to do like 18 hours straight, I do everything on cam. I'm having a shower on cam, putting on my makeup. It's not just like the sexy one on one things. I might wash the dishes or vacuum the house, I might do some yoga, exercise, whatever, chat.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Where does the money part come from?

[Nova Hawthorne]

So they're tipping. They're tipping for me to do different things.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Who's got the biggest table tip?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Today we did 300 tokens for a belly button play.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Belly button play. What's involved?

[Nova Hawthorne]

A little vibrator inside my belly button for a while.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

How does it feel Belly button play.

[Nova Hawthorne]

You know what? The belly button feels kind of like weird when you're using a vibrator on the inside of it. When you have like a deep belly.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Button, does it need to be a vibrator specifically on the belly button?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I like using my fingers. Put a little bit of spit in the belly button as well.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

You can finger your belly button.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Oh, you can. You can figure a lot of things.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Can we put a call out to the guys watching your stream right now? Who's got the biggest tip?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Who's got the biggest tip? I wonder who.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

But say it in a sexy cam girl voice.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Okay. Hi everyone watching me online right now. I would love to see who has got the biggest tip for me. Make me see how much you want to see more. Don't forget I've got my tip menu so check that out. And if you play your cards right, I might connect my lush so you can use my interactive vibrator to make my pussy vibrate. I have a saying that I'll make them have the most confused wank because they'll be laughing while they're so horny.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And when you just did the call out, then I liked the sexy purry porn star voice. Can you tell me about how you developed that voice?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Well, when you're talking dirty, it's not about exactly what you're saying. It's all in the delivery. So if you slow things down and you get it real going like it's velvety. I don't know, think about like how you whisper sweet nothings into someone's ear. That's exactly what I like to do. I want to be right there with them.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Can you make anything sound sexy when you use that voice?

[Bonnie Blue]

Oh, for sure.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Take me out into the garden because we're gonna get filthy. We've got some shoveling to do and a whole fence to paint. You want to come help me paint my front fence?

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Can you say I need to go get my Nissan Patrol serviced and then I need to go to the supermarket to pick up milk?

[Nova Hawthorne]

Yeah, look, it's going to be such a busy day for me. There's so many things I need to do. Firstly, I'm going to take my car, go for a service. You know what I mean? Take that to get fixed up, get a bit a tune and then you know what's next? We gotta hit the supermarket. We've got so many things we need to do today.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Nova is in a relationship with a guy named James who started out as her sugar daddy. And in a quirky twist she has now become his sugar mummy thanks to the success of her camming. It's a job that is a full ordered her a comfortable life. She says she's thrilled with it and so is her grandma.

[Nova Hawthorne]

She has a book club that she's part of with other people her age. She's in her 70s, and she asked me if it was anything like 50 Shades of Grey because they just recently read that. And I was shocked that she'd read that. And I had to explain to her, I was like, no, it's nothing like Fifty Shades of Grey. It's completely safe. Fifty Shades of Grey was not a good example of what sex work is like.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

So she wasn't shocked by your work, but you were shocked that she had read 50 Shades of Green?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I was so shocked that she had read that. And when it came down to it, when I explained to her and tried to get, you know, where she stands with it, she said, there's two things. Are you safe and are you happy? And I said yes to both those. And she was so accepting.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Was she impressed by the financial control and freedom that it allowed you?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I don't think she really realized until I started buying her really cool Christmas presents. I sent my grandparents on a weekend away at a winery with, you know, spas, you know, all that. And then she kind of realized that I'm doing okay. Hold on, let me move the camera over. I have another James interviewing me right now.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I'm now in shot of your. Of your cam.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Experience of my cam. That's you.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And I've just ended up on someone's cam livestream. How much did they tip me? Out of nowhere, a man who looks like he could be one of the bros on that TV show Entourage walks up to me and immediately gets down to business. He can see me holding microphones and recording equipment, and somehow he already knows my name and what I'm here for. Hey, mate. My name's Sean, production manager for Angela. Oh, awesome. He's part of the team for Angela White, the Australian adult film actress who has become one of the biggest porn stars on the planet. With over 130 award wins, Angela is the most decorated female performer in adult Entertainment history. In 2024, she ranked as the single most searched porn star worldwide. She's set to appear on the same panel discussion as Bonnie tonight. This guy from Angela's team has heard I'm following a few porn stars at the convention for this podcast, and he almost seems annoyed. I haven't requested time with Angela, but before landing in the Us. I did try reaching out to her to organise an interview. I was hoping for a chat with Angela and Bonnie together. The old school studio performer alongside the DIY upstart. Are you going to be around? Did you want coverage of her? Because I know that you've reached out to people, but you hadn't hit us up and I was like, maybe. What I'd love is I'd love to document her and Bonnie on the panel tonight. And I also thought what would be cool would be like a chat with her and Bonnie at the same time after the panel. He starts shaking his head before I can finish the question. No. Well, they're very different people. You know, Lonnie's not a porn star, she's a creator. Whereas you're talking about the most award winning porn star ever. But that's what I find Interesting. Interesting.

[Charlie Ford]

That's.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That's what I want to tap into. What about it? Just about the difference between, like the classic porn stars and like the DIY creators. I want to have like an interesting discussion about the differences in the nuances between the two. There's a problem with that. And the problem is, is that when you're in Angela's position, because I'm not sure if you know just how big a deal she is, but there's things like this hierarchy. He then realizes he's talking directly into the microphones I'm holding and immediately shuts down the conversation. Everything is off. Okay, no worries. Oh, sorry. Is this the theater? No, no. Where's the theater?

[Brett Musset]

The theater is if you just go.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Literally around this corner, you'll see a.

[Brett Musset]

Sign for box office and then theater right next door.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Thanks, mate. Cheers. I'm pacing through the casino trying to find the theater for tonight's panel discussion, the one with Angela White and Bonnie Blue, who I assume will be a no show. She missed her meet and greet with fans and her publicist, Emma, has stopped replying to my calls and text messages. Hey, sorry, mate. Where's the theatre? The theater? Out of nowhere, as I push through the crowd, I hear a familiar voice. Voice and see a familiar blonde. Bob. Where do we get to this?

[Brett Musset]

Oh.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Oh, my God.

[Brett Musset]

Hi.

[Bonnie Blue]

Fancy seeing you here.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

It's Emma Gilman, the publicist for Bonnie Blue. And her once bedridden porn star boss is by her side. Bonnie.

[Nova Hawthorne]

Hi.

[Brett Musset]

Hi.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Bonnie James. Wig. Do you mind taking one of the microphones off me?

[Charlie Ford]

Yeah.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

The podcast guy. You are. You're a hard lady to locate.

[Bonnie Blue]

Yes, I can be.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

How are you feeling?

[Bonnie Blue]

Bed bound. I have had to Say been full of flu, so, yeah, it's not been super exciting.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And you were meant to do the fan appearance this morning, right?

[Bonnie Blue]

Yes.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Yeah. How did that go?

[Bonnie Blue]

I didn't do it.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

You didn't do it?

[Bonnie Blue]

I haven't been well all week. I've definitely still got, like a bit of a cough. My voice isn't like completely back to normal, but no, I'm fine.

[Charlie Ford]

Yeah.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

And what's going to be talked about.

[Bonnie Blue]

On the panel tonight, it's about, like, learning to dominate the market.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I want to talk to you about dominating the market because you've been on a bit of a meteoric rise and you've kind of become like the Mick Jagger of DIY porn, right?

[Brett Musset]

Yeah.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I mean, I was with your entourage and your sister Summer on the private jet that you charted yesterday. Yeah.

[Bonnie Blue]

Did you enjoy it?

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I did. You didn't enjoy it? But I feel like that's such a rock star move and it's such a rock star life that you're living these days, booking private jets that you don't end up catching.

[Bonnie Blue]

I know. Exactly.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

As I chat to Bonnie, it takes a moment for my eyes to zoom out and capture the whole scene scene. She's being tailed by a TV documentary crew from Channel 4 in the UK. Their cameraman begins filming the interaction and a producer delicately hovers a microphone. Bonnie's sister Summer and her ex husbandmanager, Ollie stand back holding her bags alongside Bonnie's videographer, Joshua Spooner. Emma lurks on the sidelines. She almost seems natural miffed that I ran into them. I latch onto Bonnie and we stroll into the theater. I ask if she knows the other people she'll be appearing on stage with.

[Bonnie Blue]

I'm not really close with other content creators as such, so I don't know other content creators.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That's interesting to me. Why don't I imagine sort of in this industry, like, you know, some of them probably reach out to you wanting to collaborate. Is that a choice not to sort of form relationships or connections with other creators?

[Bonnie Blue]

A bit of both. Like, a lot of them are intimidated by me. I'm making their content no longer relevant because before doing a typical boy girl content would sell. I now beat world records and I sleep with random people and make relevant content and it's sort of pushing theirs out the way so they're threatened by me. And also it's treated like high school a lot of the time and I'm too big to entertain. People gossip and going, oh, my God, you know what she said or do you know what she's wearing. Like, I'm really not bothered. I'll always support creators that are nice and unfortunately the industry isn't always filled with that.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Bonnie's words seem tinged with insecurity, as if she's defending herself by trash talking others. I'm told by some old school players in the porn system that they have a gripe with new independent creators like Bonnie because it seems she doesn't know necessarily see herself as part of the larger industry and she doesn't feel a responsibility to maintain expectations or unspoken rules. Creators like Bonnie also don't seem to think there's anything they can learn from the performers who came before her. In the Casino Theatre, I wait with Bonnie in a dark corner and ask where she thinks this resistance is coming from.

[Bonnie Blue]

I think a lot of people here will look down on me for being successful on Onlyfans because they don't class that as porn or they think they're bigger than me just because they got paid £1,000 for a shoot. I earn over £1,000 an hour, so it's sort of they need to relook it. I'm the one with the most views. I'm the one that goes viral all the time.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Bonnie is waved up to the stage to get in place. Sam Wilkinson, the Channel 4 cameraman, circles the room to get a good view. He has been following Bonnie since the world record gang bang last week. As whispers get louder in the industry about the stunt allegedly not being real and questions being asked about when the tapes will be released, Sam says he witnessed and filmed the event firsthand. She took on took a thousand men in a strange house in London. We were in the room when the challenge was being performed and did it shock me? I guess it kind of did it. At moments when you see a whole queue of men queuing up outside the door with their hands down their pants, trying to get hard or maintain being hard. That was probably the oddest thing. Yeah, it's just another normal day at the office, really, apart from seeing loads of guys with masks on as well. So it was an odd image. Okay, the panel's about to start. Angela White, with her dead straight raven hair and conservative black ensemble, enters the small theater and takes a seat centre stage right next to Bonnie, the naughty blonde pixie. The two ladies couldn't be more different. It almost feels like we should be picking a side to root for. I'm told by an executive in the industry who wants to remain anonymous that this look of Angela's is intentional to challenge the stereotype of a porn star. They also tell me Angela will probably not say much on the panel tonight as she sits with the lesser known DIY creators and that her silence will speak volumes. If you haven't heard the name Bonnie Blue, you probably haven't been online lately. Her record breaking sex marathons have shaken up preconceived notions of sexual morality and.

[Brett Musset]

Pushed the boundaries of human sexual capability.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

As one of the most respected and recognized names in the adult entertainment industry, Angela White's career is a testament to both hard work and integrity. So I'm very excited to be chatting.

[Nova Hawthorne]

With you all today.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I sit through the panel and listen to polite answers to polite questions. No, Bonnie, Angela and the other ladies don't talk smack to each other's faces. After all, this is porn, not the wwe. But there is a distinct lack of acknowledgement. Oli was watching from the audience. He thinks Bonnie is unhappy with her appearance on stage.

[Brett Musset]

I think she did really, really well. I think she, she has really high standards. I think she just wished that she would have said something that, I don't know, like embellished a bit more on some of her points. She always does really well, but she just, she always comes out not that happy with something.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

How is she feeling going into this?

[Brett Musset]

She was nervous in general, but she's also quietly confident because she within a year has become the top three biggest critics on Onlyfans. And to be honest, most of the people in here that think that they own the place, they're not a patch on Bonnie.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

After the panel, Bonnie decides to take an impromptu stroll around the convention, followed by her entourage and TV documentary crew. She's accosted by an old man. Her videographer Josh describes the bloke in precise detail to give you a description of what he's like for the listeners. He's around 120 years old and hardly worn, but he's a big fan of a lot of young girls. Then another guy approaches. This time he's younger, in his 30s, and he's armed with trading cards featuring pictures of Bonnie's face. He made them on his computer and had them professionally printed. These ones for you? I mean, I do base like, they're like some people like Pokemon cards and stuff. I like cards of beautiful women.

[Bonnie Blue]

Oh, thank you.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

His name is Tino Capo Bianco. He hands Bonnie a pen and gets her to scribble her signature on the cards.

[Bonnie Blue]

Where do you want me to sign?

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Just anywhere on the car.

[Bonnie Blue]

Not this one.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Yeah. If you don't mind signing off. Whatever you're comfortable with. I have a bunch of them. Can you tell me about your fandom of Bonnie? No, I just think she's, she's really taking the game strong. She's, she's, you know, huge. On only fans, you know, the next big thing. The next big big thing. I can't help but feel like Bonnie is biting her tongue at this statement. In her mind, she's not the next big thing. She's already the big thing. What are you gonna do with these? These Bonnie Pokemon cards. So I keep a lot of them and I'll trade some with other people. I like baseball cards as a kid. Now I'm a 35 year old man. I like cards of beautiful women, that's all. And I made them of her. It's just something cool. The card market got big during COVID so I think just cards are cool. What other porn stars do you make trading cards of? So far I did a Bella Danger, Kayleigh Gunner, and Lily Phillips. How much do they sell for?

[Nova Hawthorne]

I'm gonna hold them for a while.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Cause I think she's just gonna get bigger. It's like bitcoin. Like bitcoin. As Bonnie continues to be swarmed by fans, her little sister Summer, dressed in a grey Zara hoodie, peels a mandarin and stares at an arcade claw machine filled with sex toys. A skinny young boy with a broccoli haircut and Justin Bieber swagger bounds up to Bonnie and starts propositioning her to film content with him. His online name is Z Light skin and at 24, the Baltimore local has only recently started filming DIY content.

[Brett Musset]

I like, just started kind of blowing up.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

You're blowing up? What kind of content?

[Brett Musset]

Boy like boy, girl, boy, boy, boy on boy. That's a lot. Like, I do a lot of it.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Yeah. And what kind of content would you want to do? Like one of Bonnie's gang bangs that she's done?

[Brett Musset]

Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah, like a boy, boy, girl with her. That would go crazy. Just something like that will go viral that she would like.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Nearby, another famous face appears in the crowd. We think we've seen Young Gravy from across the room, the American rapper. Hey, Young Gravy. Yeah. My name is James Weir. I'm a journalist from Australia from news.com. are you getting mobbed while you're here?

[Brett Musset]

Yeah, I forgot a hoodie.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I was late for my flight for a hoodie.

[Brett Musset]

But it's okay. I usually can wear a hood and.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

All and it makes a little bit.

[Brett Musset]

Easier to walk around.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

What do you like seeing while you're.

[Brett Musset]

Here the horny ass dudes, bro.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

That is funny and interesting and I.

[Brett Musset]

Like to see just how freaky people get.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I, I just like played a video game with like a vibrator. It was, I don't know, man.

[Brett Musset]

People are wild.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

It's very interesting world. What kind of people do you see here? Describe them for me. They're not like, like, I feel like people would assume that the people that.

[Brett Musset]

Are here might be like, you know.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Basement dwellers that like drink Mountain Dew and eat Cheetos, but they're not.

[Brett Musset]

Like, there's a lot of like just like wholesome motherfuckers here that probably get pussy themselves. But they're, they're just here, you know, they're like supporting.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

While young gravy spills his observations about horny dudes and Cheetos, Bonnie has been cornered by another fan. This time a young woman.

[Maddie Collins]

I was expressing my love for her, my love for her work. She is everywhere right now and she blew up so, so quickly too. It's so cool to see and just the authenticity of dealing with you love. Because everybody wants to be a gang bang girl, you know, Everybody loves it. Believe it or not, if any girl had the chance to do a thousand man gang bang, they'd do it one time in their life.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I can't help but wonder, is this the effect of Bonnie and her fellow cohort of sex fluencers?

[Maddie Collins]

My name is Maddie Collins and I am a Bonnie Blue fan.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

At 26, Maddie's also navigating the world of porn. She's inside it every day and she hears what people are saying.

[Maddie Collins]

When you see somebody just come out of, no pun intended, come out of the blue and really kill it like that, I think that there's a little bit of like, oh, I wish I could do that, that it kind of rubs people a little bit in a jealous way. And sure, some people might want not want to put in the work as much as Bonnie does, because she really does put in the work. But I think anybody wishes that they could have done it themselves before doing it for a studio. And I think that's more of what the studio side of things. They're like, oh, these onlyfans girls and blah blah, blah. And it doesn't need to be like that.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

But OnlyFans doesn't just come with fans. It also comes with enemies. Later that night, in a bar filled with porn stars wearing unbuttoned shirts and bodycon dresses, there's only one topic of conversation. Bonnie, one industry player, talks anonymously. The true story about this business is the faster you go up, the faster you go down.

[Brett Musset]

And then it just Bottom.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

Next time on Sex, Lies and Streaming. Beneath the glitz and glamour of Vegas, whispers are growing louder about who really belongs here. As Bonnie's dreams of being a bona fide porn star begin to crumble, she vanishes again with her team calling an emergency meeting and amid a terrifying security breach with a stalker. It was actually quite heartbreaking because you.

[Bonnie Blue]

Could hear on the other end of.

[Nova Hawthorne]

The line that he was coming to the realisation that everything that he thought to be true was a lie.

[Narrator / Interviewer]

I sit down with porn icon Angela White, fresh from her awkward panel appearance with Bonnie. Having seen the tension between the two performers, is there something I'm not being told? I head to her private villa to get answers. That's next time on Sex, Lies and Strength to take. Take it to the streets. Hit, hit, hit. Control to leave. Thanks for listening. You can read more from me on news.com and find me on Facebook if you want to let me know your thoughts about this series. This show was written and hosted by me. My executive producer is Nina Young. Sound design and editing by Tiffany Dimac. Additional production assistance by Phoebe Zukowski Wallace. A big thanks to Kerry Warren, the editor of news.com for her support for the.