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Podcast Summary: Witness: Sex, Lies and Streaming

Episode 3: The Meryl Streep Of Porn

Host: news.com.au | Air Date: October 19, 2025

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the realities behind the glitz and glamour of the adult entertainment world, focusing on legendary Australian porn star Angela White—dubbed by critics as the "Meryl Streep of Porn." The host embeds themselves at a Las Vegas porn convention to contrast the crafted professionalism of veteran studio performers like Angela with the viral rise (and feuds) of new-age OnlyFans creators like Bonnie Blue. It’s an industry at war with itself—old guard versus DIY upstarts, authenticity versus attention economy, and the never-ending pursuit of fame and survival in a world that blurs the lines between reality and fantasy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Angela White: Artistry, Discipline, and Danger

• Security and Catfishing: Angela faces real dangers from obsessed fans who mistake fantasy for reality, shown by her harrowing story of a stalker (“Vincent”) who'd been catfished by someone pretending to be her.
  • Quote: “I had to tell the fan that it's incredibly inappropriate to call my room...you've been speaking to a catfish for many months.” – Angela White [01:34]
• Approach to Fame: Angela prefers letting her work speak—eschewing controversy and self-promotion around financials or stunts:
  • Quote: “I'm not really about showing off about how many views I've had or how much money I make or whatever...I'm just not about the numbers.” – Angela White [05:37]
• Industry Status and Craft: With over 22 years in the industry and more than 130 awards, Angela embodies old-school porn professionalism, meticulously planning every detail, down to the right early 2000s choker for her latest film.
• Path to Stardom: Angela’s journey began at 18, breaking early-00s norms favoring "blonde, slim, fake boob[s]" for her natural curves, and heavily researching every career move—including sending her first amateur photos on a CD-ROM.
  • Quote: “I put my amateur photos and wrote them a handwritten letter and sent it off. Snail mail.” – Angela White [09:39]
• The Professional Studio Route vs. DIY: Angela defends the value of the traditional studio system for its training and institutional knowledge passed from veteran to newcomer, contrasting it with the inexperience of some OnlyFans creators.

2. Bonnie Blue: Viral Stunts, Feuds, and Industry Skepticism

• Rapid Rise and Headlines: Bonnie Blue rose to viral fame after (allegedly) sleeping with over 1,000 men in 12 hours. Her approach is characterized by shock value and strategic social media stunts.
  • Quote: “Sometimes you just don't know and that's okay...when I did the world record, there was positions these 18 year olds were mentioning to me and I was like, I don't know what...just tell me.” – Bonnie Blue [15:23]
• Tensions and Rivalries: The episode uncovers a bitter public feud between Bonnie and fellow creator Lily Phillips over who owns the "1,000 men" stunt, with speculation that these conflicts are manufactured PR strategies:
  • Quote: “I thought people could support one another. I thought you could share. This is what I'd like to do in my career. Turns out it's not always the case.” – Bonnie Blue [32:56]
• Validity Questioned: Industry insiders and veterans view Bonnie as “just another OnlyFans creator” until she regularly shoots mainstream porn. There is widespread doubt about the veracity of her viral claims.

3. Old School vs. New Age: The Changing Porn Landscape

• Evolving Star Power: The publicist Brian Gross and male star Kieran Lee speak to the diminishing cultural impact of the “porn star” in an age when shock value and saturation dull the shock factor.
  • Quote: “If you want overnight success, I wish you luck. But if you’re long haul...you’re going to have a better chance at success versus I’m going to be famous overnight. Overnight success in almost anything isn’t real.” – Brian Gross [29:27]
  • Quote: “Angela White, she's the queen of the industry...There is literally no comparison between Angela White and Bonnie Blue.” – Kieran Lee [40:03]
• Mainstream Crossovers: The episode reflects on the era (late 90s to 2000s) when porn stars like Jenna Jameson and Sasha Grey achieved mainstream recognition—something Gross doesn’t see repeating under today’s fragmented, fast-moving internet culture.
  • Quote: “Will we ever, you know, see celebrity porn stars like we did in the 90s and the 2000s? No, it's too different now.” – Brian Gross [28:25]
• Creator Model’s Impact: The OnlyFans/gig economy model supposedly gives creators more power, but the majority earn very little. Viral feuds and stunts become necessary for attention, but often harm the industry's reputation and reinforce stigma.
• Industry’s Gendered Double Standards: The episode details how mainstream porn “graduates” aging female performers into the MILF niche, often regardless of their maternal status—a move Angela White firmly refuses, regarding it as a hard line for her brand.

4. The Craft of Porn: From Gonzo to DVDs

• Nostalgia and Craft in “Fuck Angela”: Angela’s latest film is a loving homage to Y2K gonzo porn, shot on era-appropriate cameras, with period-perfect set design, costumes, and even disinfected “classic” couches.
  • Quote: “You just never know how diligent someone’s gonna be...some of those...purple couches...have been there since the 80s. They have not changed.” – Angela White [20:40]
• Preserving the Old Ways: Angela still sells DVDs to dedicated collectors, resisting the total migration to digital and streaming—a business supported by fans who value both nostalgia and collectability.

5. Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

Catfishing and Boundaries

• “It was actually quite heartbreaking because you could hear on the other end of the line that he was coming to the realization that everything that he thought to be true was a lie.” – Angela White [02:16]

The Thin Division Between Persona and Reality

• “It could be the basis of a storyline of a really good porno film. Don’t you think?” – Interviewer [04:21]
  “Don’t give him any idea. Take it to the streets.” – Angela White [04:25]

On Entering Porn as a Teen

• “I was a sexual teen, and I was heavily criticized for expressing my sexuality openly ... I was labeled a slut. It was ... actually a really hard time...” – Angela White [10:15]

The DIY Creator Boom

• “DIY stuff ... similar to that kind of run and gun guerilla style shot gonzo porn. Because a lot of people are not setting up lights ... just pulling their phone out and shooting amateur content.” – Angela White [19:11]

Star Power and the “Last True Porn Star”

• “Angela White may just be the last true porn star the world will ever see.” – Interviewer [25:27]
• “When you’re in the room with Angela White, she exudes such an energy. She’s so positive ... puts her heart and soul into her work.” – Brian Gross [26:14]

Critiques of Viral Stunts

• “A lot of people don’t really believe that it was a thousand guys, but if she did it, fair play, that’s her achievement. I really don’t like some of the publicity stunts that some of the girls have thrown out there ... just gives a really bad look to the industry in a whole.” – Kieran Lee [41:37]

Angela White on “MILF” Porn

• “No. Never.” – Angela White [43:28]
  “That’s a hard no ... That’s also a hard no on if we can cut that out of the interview.” – Angela White [43:34]
  “It’s just not my branding.” – Angela White [43:42]

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Noteworthy Timestamps

• Security/catfish story: [01:34–03:37]
• Angela vs. Bonnie approach: [05:37–07:28]
• Early career/first shoots: [08:46–12:08]
• Gonzo filmmaking: [16:44–19:54]
• Public feuds and stunts: [31:41–33:18]
• Industry perceptions (Kieran Lee, Brian Gross): [37:50–42:23]
• MILF industry trope: [43:28–43:44]

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Tone and Style

The episode strikes a candid, unvarnished tone—sometimes humorous and often starkly honest about the porn industry's contradictions. Angela White is portrayed as poised, businesslike, deeply intentional, and unapologetic about her boundaries and craft. By contrast, DIY stars like Bonnie Blue are seen as impulsive, seeking fast fame, and sometimes manufacturing drama for headlines—much to the frustration of industry veterans.

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Conclusion

"The Meryl Streep of Porn" serves as a vivid, layered portrait of contemporary adult entertainment—a space where legends like Angela White refine an art that’s frequently devalued by viral spectacle. Old rivalries, the pressures of the attention economy, and a relentless hustle for survival frame a cutthroat world—one in which the line between performance and reality is increasingly blurred, and where the future of stardom is very much in question. The episode leaves listeners anticipating the next, as it teases the lucrative, often comical (and sometimes fabricated) rise of the MILF niche in porn.

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Transcript

[Bonnie Blue]

Hi, Jane.

[Interviewer]

Hey, Angela. Thanks for letting me swing by.

[Angela White]

Yeah, of course.

[Interviewer]

This is a beautiful villa.

[Kieran Lee]

I love it.

[Interviewer]

How many days have you been in Vegas?

[Angela White]

I got here on Monday.

[Interviewer]

And what's been involved for you?

[Angela White]

Well, so far I've just been doing a lot of meetings, networking. I did a business dinner. It's mainly meetings until I start signing. Very business heavy.

[Interviewer]

Angela White clicks her stilettos down the polished steps of her private luxury villa that's perched high above the annual porn convention. Inside this chaotic Las Vegas casino, the Aussie adult entertainer ranked as the most searched star on pornhub last year is making relaxed small talk. But there are bigger issues on her mind. This is all an actual. And she's pulling it off well, which is no surprise. After all, this X rated actress has appeared in over 1,000 studio porn scenes. An esteemed catalogue of work that has seen her become the most awarded female adult entertainer in history. With critics dubbing her the Meryl Streep of porn today, her confident stride and welcoming smile are hiding panic. Just as I arrive, her production manager races out the door. There has been a security breach. A stalker has made direct contact with Angela inside her palatial Pawn Princess Palace.

[Angela White]

A fan called my room today. So he called up and asked if this was Angela. And I said, who is this? And he said it was Vincent, as if I should just know who Vincent was. Anyway, long story short, Vincent thinks that we've been in a relationship, has been talking to somebody calling themselves Angela White on Telegram for a number of months. I'm not sure why or how the hotel allowed him to actually gain access to my room number. I had to tell the fan that it's incredibly inappropriate to call my room. And secondly, you know, say, I'm so sorry, but we're not in a relationship and you've been speaking to a catfish for many months.

[Interviewer]

How did he react?

[Angela White]

It was actually quite heartbreaking because you could hear on the other end of the line that he was coming to the realization that everything that he thought to be true was a lie. And it wasn't a long conversation, so I wasn't able. I didn't ask him whether he had actually sent this catfish money. But yeah, it's heartbreaking when fans get scammed.

[Interviewer]

It's easy to see how something like this could happen to Angela. She's got the approachable charm of a best friend's book smart big sister whose parents don't know she secretly gets up to mischief on the weekends. Her easygoing Australian accent is occasionally tinged with the fried inflections of someone who has been living in LA for about 12 years now. Is it something that's happened before?

[Angela White]

Yes, that's happened at least five times.

[Interviewer]

Scary stuff. Especially given Angela spent hours yesterday getting swarmed by an endless line of fans as she performed a meet and greet on the floor of the porn convention. And after this chat with me, she's about to leave her secure villa and go downstairs to do it all again. Will Vincent the catfished fan be there? Instead of cancelling her meet and greet today, Angela insists on forging ahead and she has requested that Vincent come meet her in person.

[Angela White]

I have my security with me. He's well aware of the situation and I will be cautious meeting him. I'm hoping that by meeting the fan, I can show him and prove to him that, you know, he's seeing the real me. And the real me is saying, I'm sorry, that's, you know, that person was a catfish. Cause the problem is that he's probably gonna text that catfish now and say, oh, I called you and you said that, you know, we aren't in a relationship and that catfish is probably gonna come up with another lie, like saying, oh, you know, my team was around me and I couldn't tell them about our special love and romance, so I have to. I really wanted him to come and see me in person so. So that I can look him in the eyes and say, I need you to understand that that's not me.

[Interviewer]

It could be the basis of a storyline of a really good porno film. Don't you think?

[Angela White]

Don't give him any idea. Take it to the streets.

[Interviewer]

Hit, hit. Hit.

[Angela White]

Control to leave.

[Interviewer]

Consent.

[Angela White]

Consent. I like my work to speak for itself.

[Interviewer]

I've come to meet Angela White at her private villa to get intel after I unknowingly parachuted into the middle of an X rated war. Just last night, Angela appeared on a panel at the adult entertainment convention alongside Bonnie Blue, the old school porn pro on one side, the naughty porn upstart on the other. I'd been told tensions were forming between the two camps in the industry. Battle lines have been drawn, the rule book tossed out the window, and apparently people are not happy.

[Angela White]

I'm not really about showing off about how many views I've had or how much money I make or whatever. I'm just not about the numbers.

[Interviewer]

But if Angela was about the numbers, it would be an impressive list of facts and figures. 22 years in the game, more than 8.8 billion views on tube sites like Pornhub. And X videos, about 490 DVDs and movies. Maybe you recall such titles as Anal Fitness Sluts and best of Buttfucks Vol. 4. Angela moved to Hollywood a decade ago and signed with Mark Spiegler, the most powerful porn agent in the biz, and has since launched her own production company and become a contract star for Brazzers, one of the world's biggest porn Studios. She's won 130 awards, been inducted into the Porn hall of Fame, and been crowned Female Performer of the Year three times at the Oscars of Porn. Later this week, she's set to sweep again. Not that she's even really aware of it. How many awards are you nominated for?

[Angela White]

I should know that.

[Interviewer]

You should know that.

[Angela White]

I do not know.

[Interviewer]

But you don't because you're not a numbers girl, are you?

[Angela White]

No, I'm not a numbers girl.

[Interviewer]

This attitude is in stark contrast to amateur X rated content creator Bonnie Blue, who seems to be on a mission to loudly declare that she is the biggest porn star on the planet right now. But it's not a competition, right?

[Angela White]

I don't do things for clicks. I'm not going to say certain things like how much money I make or do something controversial or be involved in a scandal just to get attention. My aim is always just to do incredible work that is fun for me and that the fans love. That's the basis of my whole business model.

[Interviewer]

Before this interview, I'm warned by Angela's team that certain topics are off limits, like her finances and perceived rivals. But while she won't be prompted to directly discuss Bonnie, she does seem to suggest that she's aware of these fledgling new porn mavericks who are thrusting vigorously in her periphery. Here she is recently on breakfast radio. Now a very special guest is here in the building. Live with us now, Angela White, the most popular female performer in the porn industry and the most searched porn star globally. You have literally won anything and everything of.

[Angela White]

I think I. I haven't won most outrageous sex scenes.

[Interviewer]

Okay, Is that one you want to win or.

[Angela White]

Look, that's not really my style. My thing is really about connection in porn. And so being outrageous, you know, it can be fun to do different things and acrobatics, but it's not my main goal when it comes to porn.

[Interviewer]

Unlike Bonnie, who seemingly fell into sex work in her 20s after becoming bored in the corporate world, Angela grew up knowing she wanted to be a porn star. And she pursued it hard and fast at the first chance she could. As soon as she turned 18, I.

[Angela White]

Was actually in My last year of high school, and a company in Miami flew me from Australia to Miami, Florida, to shoot my first scenes.

[Interviewer]

How did they find out about you?

[Angela White]

I contacted them.

[Interviewer]

And which company was it?

[Angela White]

So School magazine was just all about big boobs. And so growing up having large, natural breasts, I was super excited to get into porn and looking for a company that would be interested in my body type, which now my body type is fairly accepted by all. All companies want to shoot my body type. But back then in 2003, curvy girls weren't. They weren't in. It was that typical, you know, 90s, early 2000s, like, blonde, slim, fake boob look. And I didn't fit that mould. So I saw women that looked like me shooting for score, and so I contacted them. It was like on a CD rom.

[Interviewer]

On a CD rom?

[Angela White]

On a CD rom. I put my amateur photos and wrote them a handwritten letter and sent it off. Snail mail.

[Interviewer]

Wow. And was it the kind of magazine that you'd buy on the bottom shelf at the servo?

[Angela White]

Yep, that's the one. That's the one.

[Interviewer]

And what was involved in that first shoot?

[Angela White]

So my first shoots were all solo, which was a great way to ease me in. Yeah. It was such an exciting experience because this was the first. I'm still in high school. It's the first time I've flown overseas by myself before.

[Interviewer]

Did anyone else at school know?

[Angela White]

They knew when I came back.

[Interviewer]

Okay. What was the reaction?

[Angela White]

It was. They kind of expected it almost. I was a sexual teen, and I was heavily criticized for expressing my sexuality openly the way I did, because I was into boys, I was into girls. I was kissing girls in the playground. I was labeled a slut. It was. It was actually a really hard time because I felt like I was being myself. Like my sexuality is a core part of who I am. So the people around me were rejecting who I was to my core. And so that was one of the reasons I wanted to get into porn in the first place, because porn was the first place I saw women expressing their sexuality and being celebrated for it. I remember seeing a Penthouse forum where this woman in the centerfold was just staring down the camera lens with this huge smile on her face, naked. And I was like that. That's what I want. I want to be able to feel free. Free in my sexuality and be celebrated for that.

[Interviewer]

And what did your parents think?

[Angela White]

Well, they were worried. I think there's some of the myths surrounding porn have been dispersed. Like people are now understanding what the industry is Actually like it's very corporate and not, not the seedy underground that people previously thought it was. But at that time in 2003, you know, I was, you know, 18 year old going over to the other side of the world. So my parents were, were worried about what could happen to me. But I was convinced I had done my research. I knew that this was a reputable company. I was like gung ho, like I'm gonna do this. And luckily my research paid off and they were great. It was a wonderful experience.

[Interviewer]

Do you remember how much you got paid for that very first shoot?

[Angela White]

I do.

[Interviewer]

And just like that, I've broken Angela's rule of not asking about finances. Don't feel comfortable sharing that.

[Angela White]

I'm not gonna tell you.

[Interviewer]

I like that you commit to it. I like that you see, I thought cause it was so long ago, she might feel comfort. I remember now, at 40 years old, Angela knows who she is and how she wants to be seen. None of this is by accident. Every choice seems to have been made with clear intention and precision. Her glossy jet black hair doesn't even have a single flyaway, thanks to her makeup artist who's on standby across the day. This is a rather luxurious detail about her lifestyle style that she accidentally lets slip but won't be pressed further on. She's wearing black slacks and a black long sleeve top that subtly shows off a teasing silhouette of her size 32 GG breasts. It's somewhat of a uniform for the performer. She wore something similar at last night's panel discussion where she appeared alongside Bonnie. Angela challenges the stereotype of a porn star. She doesn't even want to show a hint of her Hollywood success. As we sit in the downstairs lounge room of this expensive but not ostentatious villa, I spot a stack of cardboard shopping bags from Balenciaga stowed under a chair as if they've been hidden at the last minute. Angela bristles when asked about her spending spree and changes the subject. One industry insider insider describes it to me this Angela out Conservatives. The conservatives. Hell, in 2010 she even ran as a political candidate in the seat of Richmond for a Victorian state election in Australia. As Angela talks about her drive to become a porn star, I wonder how her entry into the industry would have looked if Internet porn and creator platforms like OnlyFans existed in in 2003. She says even if she was entering the industry today, she'd still choose to follow the professional studio route rather than amateur sites.

[Angela White]

Going through the studio system helps you learn things that you just Cannot learn unless you're on a porn set.

[Interviewer]

Like what?

[Angela White]

Like even just like the hygiene that you learn on set. Like you just. Unless you're exposed to people that have done been in the industry for years. Like that kind of knowledge, that informal knowledge system is passed down from performer to performer and director to performer. Like when it comes to like I created my own, you know, sex tapes, I guess when I was just starting and I had no idea how to position my legs and my arms or how to, you know, twist my body so that the camera can see both, you know, my pussy and my face and my boobs swinging at the same time. You just, you get taught these on set by directors that have been in the game for decades. And I mean, I think you can learn a little bit of it just from watching porn, but nothing. You just don't get the same kind of knowledge.

[Interviewer]

I can't help but think back to something Bonnie told me last night at the panel while we were waiting for Angela to arrive. We were discussing Bonnie's recent world record gang bang and she admitted to being clueless when she first started having sex on camera.

[Bonnie Blue]

Before, I would have been like embarrassed if I didn' everything about sex. But like, sometimes you just don't know and that's okay.

[Interviewer]

What don't you know about?

[Bonnie Blue]

There's just loads. Even like sex positions. Sometimes you start listing them off and I think I've got no idea which ones they are. Like they mention different things or different terminology and I think, I don't know what that is. Even just last week when I did the world record, there was positions these 18 year olds were mentioning to me and I was like, I don't know what, which one do you mean? Just tell me. Do I need to go on my back, my side, my front? Like, tell me.

[Interviewer]

While Bonnie seems to be stumbling through the world of adult entertainment and making it up as she goes along, Angela has diligently studied the fine art of fornicating and got a college degree in porn. Literally. She majored in gender studies and graduated with first class honours, writing her dissertation in pornography. She's an adult entertainment aficionado, a porn purist, a true auteur. And this is all on display in her most recent film titled Fuck Angela. It's a retro homage to her favorite genre of erotica, early 2000s gonzo. This work has wowed critics and been labeled an authentic love letter to the era of Y2K smut. It's expected to be celebrated at the Adult Video News Awards later this week.

[Angela White]

Seeing the way technology has been moving forward and how, personally I don't feel like it's been making porn better. Like even the aspect ratio, the aspect ratio has changed in porn. Like back in the late 90s, early 2000s, it was four by three and that really pushed the action into the viewer's face. Like everything's really tight. Whereas you know, when you go into like a more cinematic mode, all you're seeing is more of the room. So I love having that old school aspect ratio that really brings the viewer into the action. It makes them feel like it's happening right there in front of their eyes. And then so far, Angela, I shot on the VX2000.

[Interviewer]

And for people who don't know, explain what the VX2000 is.

[Angela White]

It is a cult camera. Well, the VX1000 is a cult camera for porn and skateboarding. The VX2000 a little bit more so for porn, just because it had better low light capabilities. So I shot it on the VX2000, which is a 24 year old camera, which so much of that early gonzo porn was shot on. And the reason it's so important for the porn industry was it's the first lightweight camera that you could really run and gun with. So shoot guerrilla style. Doesn't have to be on tripods. You don't have to have a giant shoulder rig. You can just hold it in your hand and go wherever you want in the location and follow the performers as they fuck.

[Interviewer]

For listeners who don't know what is gonzo porn?

[Angela White]

Traditionally gonzo was porn that broke the fourth wall. So it came from gonzo journalism. So the director would be somehow involved in the scene, not necessarily sexually. They might just be involved with by talking to the girl beforehand, like panning up and down, telling her that she's sexy and then bringing in male talent or female talent to have sex with. The director becomes the avatar for the audience in those scenes. With early 2000s gonzo porn, they wouldn't even set up lighting. They would just get to a location and tell the performers, fuck how you want to fuck. And they would just go about the room and like fuck on the couch, then go up the stairs and fucking and fuck in the bedroom and fuck in the. But like it was just. It created this chaos that was so interesting to watch.

[Interviewer]

In many ways, this gonzo genre influenced the style of porn we see now with adult creators like bonnie blue on OnlyFans.

[Angela White]

The DIY stuff or a lot of it is similar to that kind of run and gun guerilla. Style shot gonzo porn. Because a lot of people are not setting up lights, they're not even necessarily getting a location. They're just pulling their phone out and shooting amateur content with their partners or with other performers that they're collabing with.

[Interviewer]

The biggest difference though is many of the DIY creators don't seem to be aware of the genre they're replicating and they probably don't even care. Unlike Angela, who toiled over all the period details for her latest nostalgia inspired movie, including getting the right kind of acrylic nails, lingerie and cyber silver eyeshadow.

[Angela White]

Even I went down to like getting. There was a very specific choker during that era. It was like a black velvet choker with rhinestones.

[Interviewer]

Right.

[Angela White]

That everyone used to wear in the early 2000s. It took me a long time.

[Interviewer]

Where did you find it?

[Angela White]

EBay.

[Interviewer]

EBay, yeah. She even filmed in houses around San Fernando Valley, tucked behind the Hollywood Hills and Santa Monica mountains. Porn valley, as it's playfully known in the industry, was the epicenter of porn during the smut golden age from the 70s to early 2000s, offering cheap warehouse space, suburban anonymity, and crucially, distance from the prying eyes of central Los Angeles.

[Angela White]

Those houses, if you've watched porn in the last two decades, you'll recognize those walls, those couches, that interior design from all of those classic 2000s porn movies.

[Interviewer]

Do you know whether the couches had been cleaned?

[Angela White]

Look, every time I shoot at a location, I make sure we Lysol wipe and disinfect every couch because you just never know how diligent someone's gonna be right.

[Interviewer]

A decades old porn couch.

[Angela White]

I will admit though, some of the couches had been upgraded. Cause I'm sure you know, they don't last getting fucked on that hard for that many years, but I can imagine. Yeah, but some, some of those, there's. There's some purple couches that I shoot on in Fuck Angela. And they have been there since the 80s. They have not changed.

[Interviewer]

Okay. Some slight wear and tear.

[Angela White]

Yeah, I imagine. Yeah, they don't look brand new, I can tell you that. Some interesting stains I.

[Interviewer]

This latest film may just be Angela's magnum opus. And it's not the only old school cred on her cv. Yes, like most professional porn stars, she has had to pivot into creator focused platforms like OnlyFans. But she also still sells a lot of DVDs.

[Angela White]

The market is still big enough to warrant releasing DVDs. A lot of fans are collectors you'll see on the floor today. Fans will come with 50 DVDs for me to sign that they've collected. I mean, there are people that still don't have great Internet connections. So a classic DVD is just easier than having to deal with, you know, Internet when potentially you're on the road or you just don't have the best connection.

[Interviewer]

And nothing's more frustrating than a stream that continually buffers.

[Angela White]

Right, right. When you're trying to buffy yourself. You know, it's like.

[Interviewer]

While filming. Fuck Angela. She also recruited iconic porn directors of the era, including Jules Jordan, John Stagliano, and Johnny Darko, who guided Angela through a scene involving. Well, I'll just let her explain it.

[Angela White]

So I did a blowbang.

[Interviewer]

And what's a blowbang for people who might not know.

[Angela White]

Okay, so a blowbang. So everyone knows what a gang bang is. It's. It's one girl with a bunch of different guys having sex with her. So a blowbang is just like that, but for blow jobs. So it'll be one girl and many different guys getting fellatio, basically. So it was just me and seven guys. And a blowbang is a very visual scene because obviously you've got a lot of tall men surrounding a girl on her knees. It's very hot and very filthy.

[Interviewer]

And what kind of. As a director, what kind of instructions did he give you to execute that scene?

[Angela White]

So his main thing. The main thing for me is that, like, when a guy is coming, I love to look up at him. I love to watch his face when he comes. And Johnny is all. He's very precise about his shots, and he wants his shots, every shot, to be perfect. So when the guys are coming, he wants the girl looking directly into the camera lens and not lifting her chin to look at the guys. So that's the hardest thing for me because I love looking at them. So he was like, you have to look into the lens and let them just come on your face and not look at them coming. There's nothing technical to that. But there is.

[Interviewer]

And that's why you're a pro, Angela. That's why you're a pro.

[Bonnie Blue]

Hello?

[Angela White]

Shit. Okay. No, no, that's okay. Yeah.

[Interviewer]

Where are you guys up to now? Straight to the booth. Oh, my God.

[Angela White]

Got a sign for brazzers, so gotta.

[Bonnie Blue]

Run up and put my.

[Interviewer]

Unlike Bonnie, Angela can't keep her devotees waiting. After all, her catfished fan Vincent may already be there.

[Angela White]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Downstairs in the ballroom of the casino, fans are already lining up to see Angela. Among them are Tom and John, two buddies in their 30s who've traveled from Orange County, California, just to see her.

[Brian Gross]

She's a legend. Incredible body, natural beauty. There's a lot there.

[Interviewer]

She was the most searched porn star on pornhub last year. Did you add to those searches?

[Brian Gross]

I'm sure we did our part. I'm sure we contributed.

[Interviewer]

What do you like about Angela's porn?

[Brian Gross]

Is there artistry, John? Is it just her sense of poise, her demeanor, her casual elegance? What are you putting out there?

[Interviewer]

I would say it's a mixture between.

[Brian Gross]

That and she's got a lovely set.

[Interviewer]

Of beautiful blue eyes. Talking to punters and industry executives, one thing becomes clear. Angela White may just be the last true porn star the world will ever see.

[Brian Gross]

Right now, one of the greatest porn stars is Angela White. Without question. Her work ethic, her tenacity, her ability, her love, her passion, she embodies everything you would want in an adult film star. I have yet to see anyone match what she does.

[Interviewer]

That's Brian Gross, a porn power publicist who's wrangling the major adult entertainers this week in the lead up to the awards. Over the past 30 years, he has made a career out of turning centerfolds into celebrities.

[Brian Gross]

When you're in the room with Angela White, she exudes such an energy. She's so positive. She has the biggest smile you've ever seen, and she puts her heart and soul into her work. And I just appreciate everything she does. She is no nonsense, but she puts on a scene that is absolutely incredible.

[Interviewer]

While working for Vivid Entertainment, one of the largest porn studios at the time, Brian experienced perhaps his biggest claim to fame, shepherding the crossover success of porn star Janine Lynnmoulder, who went from the pages of a smut magazine to the COVID of Blink 182's smash hit 1999 album, Enema of the State, which sold over 15 million copies around the world.

[Brian Gross]

Janine was a Penthouse pet who then became a Vivid Girl and was arguably one of the biggest names in the adult industry because she had this look. Tall, blonde, very stunning, and she had. No one had ever seen anyone like her in movies before, outside of maybe Jenna Jameson. So the opportunity comes now. An entire world is seeing her on the COVID of an album which went platinum multi times over. So you think about all the eyeballs and the reach and sure, she wound up in two of the videos and, you know, people just discovering her because it was such a popular album for the band. It had number one singles at alternative radio and crossover into pop. And obviously the band went On a world tour and they grew in such a way that they had never experienced. And for the band, it just put, you know, having an adult film star on an album and having it grow the way it did was something that had never been seen before. So a lot of it was stuff that had never happened. She went on the Howard Stern show, we went to New York, we went to the MTV Music Awards in 99. And we just got opportunity, opportunity after opportunity to promote her, promote the album, promote the band, promote Vivid and sort of turn the world on its head.

[Interviewer]

Will we ever, you know, see celebrity porn stars like we did in the 90s and the 2000s?

[Brian Gross]

No, it's too different now.

[Interviewer]

In what way?

[Brian Gross]

The impact effect and whatnot. We're so desensitized. Shock factor in this day and age is definitely different. So, I mean, I don't know what celebrity we would see.

[Interviewer]

In the 2000s, there was a peak of porn stars crossing over into mainstream culture. Jenna Jameson appeared in a 2002 music video for Eminem and voiced a character based on herself in the animated TV series Family Guy. She even inspired a secret character in the Tony Hawk pro skater video game. And then there's Sasha Grey, who went from porn star to movie star for acclaimed director Steven Soderbergh's 2009 drama called the Girlfriend Experience. There was also a multi episode arc on the HBO series Entourage. Brian says Angela White might just be the last glimpse of a porn star with mainstream appeal. How does someone like Angela White compare to Bonnie Blue? Can you compare them?

[Brian Gross]

I can't, but because remember, she's not overnight. She's been doing this a long time. She built this name for a long time and she has done an incredible job doing so. So if you want overnight success, I wish you luck. But if you're long haul and you know this, and this is a long game, you're going to have a better chance at success versus I'm going to be famous overnight. Overnight success in almost anything isn't real. We've had the one hit wonders in our lives. We've had people come and go saying, I'm going to be famous tomorrow. You know, so different than an athlete. You know, an athlete as a child comes up through the ranks, you know, whatever sport they choose in their teens, goes to college or goes to independent leagues and improves and improves and improves the 10,000 hours. So this is no different. Like you might be the most beautiful person in the world, but at the end of the day, what are you going to do about it? You Know, what are you going to do with it? And at the same time do what you have to do to garner more attention.

[Interviewer]

And in what ways are we seeing that play out in this sort of modern day of DIY creators?

[Brian Gross]

Wow. I mean, we're seeing extreme things like girls supposedly having sex with thousands of people and getting publicity for it. And we're seeing things like people saying or doing extreme things to garner attention. So, you know, if, if it can still shock people that maybe they'll have interest.

[Interviewer]

What do you think of those shock tactics and are they just a PR strategy?

[Brian Gross]

You gotta be careful, you know, because it can backfire.

[Interviewer]

In what way?

[Brian Gross]

Well, if you get caught, if you're lying, right, if you're not telling the truth, you know, media might support you and then they'll turn on you. So, I mean, you better be, your story better be real. Because all it takes is one person to find out it's not and one media outlet to question all the other media that supported it. And the dominoes will fall.

[Industry Insider]

Blowing up online today, what's happened with Bonnie and Lily and that?

[Interviewer]

What's happened?

[Industry Insider]

Oh, apparently they're feuding about something.

[Brian Gross]

Really?

[Industry Insider]

Yeah, they mentioned it last night. You know, the party that happened last night.

[Interviewer]

I'm walking through the nicotine centered hallways with a longtime porn veteran who wants to remain anonymous. He's sharing the latest gossip. Apparently there's been another alleged stunt. Bonnie has called out her former collaborator, Lily Phillips. The ladies were friends and have even filmed together. But they've now come to public blows over Bonnie's thousand man gang bang. After Lily announced she was going to do it, Bonnie beat her to the punch and now says Lily stole the idea from her. Lily has since responded by upping the ante again, by announcing plans to conquer a backdoor challenge with as many guys as possible. It's a head spin. The two ladies will come face to face later this week at the Oscars of porn, where they're both up against each other in the fan voted category of favourite independent female creator. Here's Bonnie telling Andrew Tate all about the rivalry on a podcast.

[Bonnie Blue]

I was like, hey, I really want to sleep with a thousand people. I want to break a world record. A week later, she promotes on her social media, Hey, I want to sleep with a thousand people. I was like, that was my mistake. I was naive and thought people could support one another. I thought you could share. This is what I'd like to do in my career. Turns out it's not always the case.

[Interviewer]

Would you say she was Disloyal?

[Bonnie Blue]

Yeah. I mean, she never needed to be loyal to me. It's the cleverest thing she's done.

[Interviewer]

I reckon it's manufactured between her and Lily. You reckon it's manufactured?

[Industry Insider]

Well, you know, hip hop guys do that beef all the time, don't they? They'll start a beef and it's not really a beef. I have my doubts and my suspicions and my experience. I've been doing this for 20 years. I know the shit people.

[Interviewer]

It's 6:30 here in Las Vegas. Bonnie Blue has seemingly gone to ground again. After making a brief appearance last night, she's been locked in up in her expensive Airbnb where her team held an emergency meeting today. They won't say what it's about or what's wrong. I don't seem to think that it has anything to do with the illness that she's been experiencing in the past few days. It sounds like it's a new issue that's come up. Bonnie's team have blocked all access to her. It comes just a few hours after some news headlines hit about Bonnie criticizing fellow OnlyFans creator Lily Phillips, saying that Lily stole her idea to sleep with a thousand men in a single day. People in the industry seem to think that it's all fabricated just to get more headlines. Meanwhile, Angela White is standing at a booth meeting and greeting hundreds of fans who are lined up around the auditorium just to get the chance to chat to her. She's signing photos of herself and memorabilia that the guys and some girls have brought to get her signature on. So Angela's security guard is standing by and he's on the lookout for the stalker who presented a bit of a situation for her team earlier today when he called her hotel room. They don't know exactly what he looks like, but they know that he said the phrase golly gosh a number of times. And Angela is theorizing that he's in his 50s. Right now she's smiling and hugging a middle aged man on a red motorized scooter and he looks like he's having the best day of his life. He's brought a magazine with her pictures in it and she signed it and he's tucked it away safely in a tote bag. Now he's whispered a request into her ear and she's jumped up into his lap, straddled him and spread her legs. And then he drives away and he almost runs over other punters with Angela in his lap. Her security team followed. People leap out of the way as the man on the scooter does laps of the room. Some fans can't believe what they're witnessing. I just saw Angela White roll by on a motorized scooter. When the guy finally drops Angela back off, he's got a grin on his face and he reaches into his pocket to pull out a sweat rag to wipe off his glistening scalp. After taking a moment to catch his breath, he tells me his name is Greg. It's not the first time this 59 year old from Idaho has given Angela the ride of her life.

[Greg]

I've been coming to this since 2002, so a lot of the stars are my friends. I'm actually disabled. I'm developing my spinal cord. She's always showed me love. In other words, when I'm in the chair, I've driven her around. She always tells me she wants to go for a ride, so I always give a little. Right. I love our personality, the fact that she's personable, she's beautiful and she, she, she makes you feel like you're the only person in the room no matter what she's at.

[Interviewer]

There's still no sign of Vincent, the catfished fan who called Angela's hotel room earlier today. Her team is positioned in the crowd ready to intervene. Right now, her team and her security guards walking, walking up and down the line, analyzing everyone. They're looking to see whether they make eye contact, what their behavior is like, if they're trying to hide anything. The only thing that really stands out visually is they're middle aged guys with greasy hair who wear a lot of sports jerseys. Across the room is Kieran Lee, one of the highest paid male porn stars. His most notable achievement, getting his penis insured for $1 million.

[Kieran Lee]

Well, it was insured many years ago. I'd probably say with the wear and tear, it's probably worth about $10 now.

[Interviewer]

What kind of wear and tear has it experienced?

[Kieran Lee]

It has seen a lot of, lot of vaginas, a lot of bum holes and a lot of mouths.

[Interviewer]

He shoots regularly for Brazzers, the same studio Angela's contracted to, and the pair have filmed scenes together. Kieran has also starred with Bonnie Blue and Lily Phillips. What did you think of that first time that you performed with Bonnie?

[Kieran Lee]

She was brilliant. Really nice girl. I had no clue what was to come next. Listen, she's found a niche and she's exploring it and good on her. You know, a lot of people criticized her, but, you know, it's no different to what a lot of other, you know, porn genres have been where, you know, I May play the older gentleman with a younger girl. She's just switching the roles.

[Interviewer]

Describe that criticism that we're seeing now.

[Kieran Lee]

Oh, there's a lot of backlash. A lot of. She's going to be filled with STDs, she's exploiting, you know, young gentlemen. The age thing. Yeah, it. It's a tricky one because When I was 18, I was starting porn and I was full of hormones. Do I regret it? No, I don't, because I went on to have a fantastic career. Some of these gentlemen might regret it, but listen, they have the option to wear a mask and things like that, so their identity will never be shown.

[Interviewer]

Have you ever seen people come into the industry and then regret it?

[Kieran Lee]

Yeah, many times.

[Interviewer]

What does that look like?

[Kieran Lee]

A lot of, you know, girls might come in and they shoot every form of scene that's possible, boy, girl, boy girl, anal DPs, gang bangs and all them things. And then they have a regret when they maybe meet a partner down the line and they want to step out of the industry and they're getting backlash from their partner who might not forgive them, shall I say, for doing in them kind of scenes and give them a lot of shit. And then a lot of the times them relationships don't last.

[Interviewer]

Comparing someone like Angela White to Bonnie Blue, are you able to compare them?

[Kieran Lee]

No, there's. There's no comparison. Angela White, she's the. The queen of the industry. Angela's worked tirelessly, let her performances do the talking. Really strong, strategically mapped out her career, and she's done it in the best way possible. You'll never find a single person inside the industry or outside the industry that has a bad word to say about Angela White. I don't think you'll ever find any negative publicity online about Angela at all. There is literally no comparison between Angela White and Bonnie Blue.

[Interviewer]

I ask Kieran what the perception is of Bonnie Blue inside the industry at the moment. He says there's speculation over the stunts and irritation over the bad press they're attracting.

[Kieran Lee]

They just look at as another onlyfans creator. Until she's shooting mainstream porn regularly, people won't really accept her as a mainstream porn star. It's just a content creator. The beef that I've seen is obviously between her and Lily Phillips. They're both vying for the title of, shall we say, biggest mattress actress. And Lily's another one. She's from Derby, my hometown as well, so it must be something in the water in Derby. A lot of people don't believe that she's done a thousand guys. Until maybe we see the content, I still don't think a lot of people will believe it. So, yeah, a lot of people don't really believe that it was a thousand guys, but if she did it, fair play, that's her achievement. I really don't like some of the publicity stunts that some of the girls have thrown out there. Because we've worked so hard for many years in the industry to try and make it a safe environment to show people we're careful, we respect boundaries, we do right by the testing procedures. And some of the girls that are coming in, content creators, shall we say, haven't been given the advice from senior porn stars where, hey, you need to do it like this, that. And create that safe environment. And some of the publicity stunts just gives a really bad look to the industry in a whole.

[Interviewer]

Do you think it kind of sets the industry back sometimes and reinvigorates a lot of the stigma?

[Kieran Lee]

Yeah, 100% over the years, we're taking two steps forward and things like this. Sometimes when the publicity isn't for the right reasons, it's like taking three steps back.

[Interviewer]

There are many different ways to enter the industry, from overnight successes like Bonnie to workhorses like Angela who grind their way to the top. But once you've made it, where to next? In an industry that values youth and beauty, what do you do when time passes and your star begins to wane? Apparently, there's only one stop, MILF or Mum. I'd like to. You can fill in the rest. Industry execs tell me that masquerading as a mum in pornos is the reality for many childless female performers once they enter their 30s. But not everyone is willing to be banished to motherhood. I think back to an odd moment during my interview earlier today with Angela White. Also, you do. You've done MILF porn before, right?

[Angela White]

No. Never.

[Interviewer]

Never, Never. Okay. Have you been approached about doing milk porn?

[Angela White]

No, I don't. I don't do MILF porn.

[Brian Gross]

Why.

[Interviewer]

Why don't. That's a hard no.

[Angela White]

That's a. That's also a hard no on if we can cut that out of the interview.

[Interviewer]

Oh, really? Okay.

[Angela White]

Sorry, I should have mentioned that.

[Interviewer]

No, sorry, I didn't know that that was a no go zone.

[Angela White]

Yeah, it's just not my branding.

[Interviewer]

Oh, okay.

[Angela White]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Interviewer]

Next time on Sex, Lies and Streaming. Welcome to Mum's Gone Wild, where the money is flowing. At the school gate, I sit down with real mothers who've discovered the MILF gold mine, turning their maternal status into serious cash. No baby, no problem. Some of the biggest earners in the game have never changed a nappy in their lives. Jump in the minivan and strap on your seat belts.

[Angela White]

One director that I know that I've shot a lot with, he just said to me, he's like, I don't know if the market's driving this or we're pushing it upon people, you know, with all the faux inset, the faux sass, because it's so popular and it's so bizarre.

[Interviewer]

That's next time on Sex, Lies and streaming.

[Angela White]

Hit control. D.

[Interviewer]

Thanks for listening. You can read more from me on news.com and find me on Facebook if you want to let me know your thoughts about this series. This show was written and hosted by me. My executive producer is Nina Young. Sound design and editing by Tiffany Dimmack. Additional production assistance by Phoebe Zukowski Wallace. A big thanks to Kerry Warren, the editor of news.com for her support for the show.