Sarah Shahi - BONUS!

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Podcast Summary: "Sarah Shahi – BONUS!"

Work in Progress with Sophia Bush | February 20, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this bonus episode of Work in Progress, host Sophia Bush reunites with actress and author Sarah Shahi to dive deeper into Shahi’s new book, Life Is Lifey. The conversation is heartfelt, funny, and deeply honest—centering on practicing courage, embracing growth through discomfort, and finding value in self-reflection and vulnerability. Together, Sophia and Sarah discuss the challenges and joys of personal evolution, touching on themes of self-worth, the messiness of life, and the freedom found in not having everything planned.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Introduction & Focus on Life Is Lifey

• Sophia Bush welcomes Sarah Shahi back, expressing excitement to discuss specific chapters from Life Is Lifey (03:09).
• The book is praised for its humor, rawness, and the sometimes-blushing-inducing honesty it brings (03:09–03:34).

Courage as a Practice, Not a Destination

• Sophia: References Shahi’s exploration of encouragement and the idea that we often choose the "familiar hell over the unfamiliar heaven", highlighting the necessity of practicing courage even in uncomfortable situations (03:35–04:11).
• Sarah:
  • Shares her journey as a "recovering people pleaser," describing small steps that helped her voice her needs—ranging from asking for help with childcare to asserting herself in everyday scenarios like waiting in line at Target (04:19–06:30).
  • Offers a key insight:

    "Speak up, even if your voice Shakespeare." (04:26)
    (A misquote but a punchy reminder: Use your voice even when it’s shaky.)

  • Explains that using her voice in low-stakes environments built the confidence for higher-stakes decisions.

Leaning into Grace, Love, and Letting Go

• Sarah:
  • Shares her framework for decision-making: acting from “the highest form of love and grace.”

    "You can break everything down to either love or fear." (06:46)

  • Describes separating from situations that no longer serve, aiming to reduce fear by approaching endings with empathy and matter-of-factness, even when it hurts.

    "Love can destroy and it can build." (08:23)

Lessons from Failure and Judgement

• Sophia: Discusses her struggle with embarrassment over others’ judgments about personal losses or failures, looking for Sarah’s confidence "cocktail" (08:43).
• Sarah:
  • Asserts that confidence comes from a "lifetime of doing things I swore I would never do," underscoring that genuine learning comes from personal mistakes (09:22–09:53).

    "Our mistakes or our learning lessons are tailor-made for us." (09:53)

  • Advises against judgment, likening it to "judging a cloud for being too fluffy" (10:18), illuminating the individualized nature of growth.
  • Shares a spiritual belief that life events are orchestrated for our “highest growth,” and that learning to ignore the opinions of “haters” is part of maturing through public struggles (10:40–12:00).

    "Those who matter don't mind. Those who mind don't matter." (12:00, quoting Dr. Seuss)

Knowing Your Value and Attracting What You Believe You Deserve

• Sarah:
  • Reiterates the importance of self-worth—only by believing in one’s value can we expect others to appreciate or reciprocate (16:57).

    "If you do not believe in yourself and you do not know you’re awesome, how can you expect other people to?"

  • Lists lessons from Maya Angelou about courage being the foundation for all virtues (17:45):

    "Courage is the most important virtue because without courage, you wouldn’t have the guts to practice anything consistently."

Sitting With Discomfort and the Nature of Emotion

• Sarah:
  • Emphasizes intentional discomfort as an avenue for growth and transformation (18:24).

    "You have to sit with your discomfort. You can’t wish it away… pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice." (18:24–19:40)

  • Explains her understanding of "emotion" as "energy in motion," advocating for making space to process feelings rather than avoid them.

The Power of Perspective and Quieting the Noise

• Sarah:
  • Champions perspective shifts as daily miracles:

    "A miracle is just a shift in perspective. That’s all it is." (20:24)

  • Critiques our algorithm-driven reality for muffling intuition and authentic decision-making, urging listeners to "shut out the noise" to reconnect with themselves (20:24–21:51).

    "Advice is not prescriptive… it’s designed to help you shut out the noise and reconnect with the wisest person in the room, which I feel is in here." (21:51)

Looking Forward and Embracing Mystery

• Sophia asks Sarah about her ongoing “work in progress” (22:28).
• Sarah:
  • Focuses on “staying in flow” instead of rigidly planning the future.

    "For the first time in my life, I am comfortable in that mystery… If anything, I feel safe in that mystery now." (22:42–23:37)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Sarah Shahi:

  "Speak up, even if your voice Shakespeare." (04:26)
  (Playful riff on “shakes”—a reminder to use your voice in fear.)

  "You can break everything down to either love or fear." (06:46)

  "Love can destroy and it can build." (08:23)

  "Our mistakes or our learning lessons are tailor-made for us." (09:53)

  "At the end of the day, it’s like we’re all here just to walk each other home." (10:32)

  "Those who matter don't mind. Those who mind don't matter." (12:00, quoting Dr. Seuss)

  "If you do not believe in yourself and you do not know you’re awesome, how can you expect other people to?" (16:57)

  "Courage is the most important virtue because without courage, you wouldn’t have the guts to practice anything consistently." (17:45, referencing Maya Angelou)

  "Pain is inevitable. Suffering is a choice." (19:39)

  "A miracle is just a shift in perspective. That’s all it is." (20:24)

  "For the first time in my life, I am comfortable in that mystery… I feel safe in that mystery now." (22:42–23:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:09–04:11 – Introduction and discussion about Life Is Lifey.
• 04:19–06:30 – Practicing courage by standing up for oneself in small, daily ways.
• 06:46–08:28 – Dealing with endings through grace and love; fear vs. love framework.
• 08:43–12:00 – Embracing failure, ignoring public judgment, and developing self-confidence.
• 16:51–17:57 – Self-worth as a precursor to attracting healthy relationships; courage as the root virtue.
• 18:24–19:40 – Sitting with discomfort; processing emotions as a path to growth.
• 20:24–21:51 – Miracles as perspective shifts; tuning out algorithms to tune into yourself.
• 22:42–23:37 – Being at peace with uncertainty; finding safety in the mystery of life.

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Conclusion

Through her candid storytelling and spiritual outlook, Sarah Shahi offers actionable wisdom for listeners grappling with change, self-doubt, and the discomfort of growth. Life Is Lifey emerges as both a deeply personal guide and a universal prompt to get quiet, be brave, and trust in one’s ongoing evolution—even (especially) when life is lifey, messy, and uncertain.

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Transcript

[Sophia]

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[Sophia]

Hi everyone, it's Sophia.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Welcome to Work in Progress.

Welcome back to Work in Progress with our favorite girly, Sarah Shahi. I cannot wait to pick her brain. Specifically about her new book, Life is Lifey. Okay, so we talked about it a little bit in our first part, but Life is Lifey is. It's just a delicious book and it's funny and it's empowering and it's raw and like there's moments that make you blush a little bit.

[Sarah Shahi]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

And there's so much I want to talk about, but a few chapters I want to really dig into. And we talked about this earlier, you know, the notion that you talk about encouragement, about how we will choose familiar hell over unfamiliar heaven. You know, this, this requirement for practice, not just to take a risk or get a divorce, but to actually start to make decisions about, as you say, doing the shit that feels daunting and uncomfortable.

[Sarah Shahi]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Can you, can you talk a little bit about realizing that courage is a practice, not a place you arrive at?

[Sarah Shahi]

Absolutely. For me, the way I was able to do it because I am a people pleaser. Right. Or I should say I'm a recovering people pleaser, I would turn myself into a pretzel. And I think a lot of women do this in order to be able to say yes to everybody except allowing myself to do what I needed to do or wanted to do. And the way I was able to practice courage is, first of all, I saw this fantastic quote. I'm not sure who said it, but it was speak up, even if your voice Shakespeare. So that allowed me to again carry my fear with me. I don't have to feel brave as I'm saying this, I can feel really scared as I'm saying this too. And that's okay. But just started speaking up in little moments, even if it was something small like, hey, can you watch the kids? I really want to take a dance class. Or can, you know, is it okay if we rain check this? Like, I really do want to see you, but I'm really tired tonight. And I just. I feel like I've got to prioritize my rest. I'm so sorry. You know, like, I even. I was even over apologizing at first because it was how I felt the most comfortable being able to say no to somebody and over explaining that it's not a rejection on them, but I just had to put myself first. So it was very scary. But I just started using my voice in situations that I normally wouldn't. Or like, I remember this one time, you know, like Target. I was at Target, and if people would cut in front of me in line, normally I'd be like, okay. And I wouldn't say anything. But I started saying something. The next time that it happened, I would be. Not that, you know, people cut in Target in front of me all the time.

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[Sarah Shahi]

It's like, it sound like it's like a daily thing, but like. Like I would just be like, hey, I'm so sorry. Like, you know, I was here first, you know, and. And. Or I would be like, I'm sorry, was I here or were you here for like, you know, it was just like, how do I use my voice? How do I get this across in a way that feels comfortable for me to do? And now I'm a little bit better at it, so I don't need to apologize so much as I'm saying it, but it was just those little daily things that I started doing that helped build up to the bigger things.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

I love that. So do you now have a practice or a way that you like to psych yourself up before you take a leap? Is there. Is there kind of a formula to it or is it really situationally dependent?

[Sarah Shahi]

It is situationally dependent. And I think the way. What I have recently learned in this space of a year of knowing myself again is when I come from a place of grace. So when I come from a place of grace and the highest form of love, because I believe there's only two frequencies, two real frequencies. You can either. You can break everything down to either love or fear. Any. Any emotion. You can break it down to either love or fear. And when I come from a place that is purely altruistic, where I'm like, I need to. Whether it's end something, end a situation, end a relationship with either a working relationship or a romantic relationship, and I'm coming from the highest place of love and the highest place of grace, you know, that's when for me, the situation doesn't feel, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. It still Hurts, but it becomes more. This is a. It takes the emotion out of. Lessens the fear factor and turns it into more of like almost like a matter of fact situation. That this is not serving either of us anymore. We're trying to fit, you know, like a square in a circle. We both just gotta. It's gonna suck, it's gonna hurt, it's gonna whatever. But. But this is what needs to happen. And when I, When I remember my own grace or, you know, again, coming from that highest, most purest place of love, love can destroy and it can build.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Yeah.

[Sarah Shahi]

Love can do both. That's when I'm able to be the most effective in using my voice.

[Radhi Devluka]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

I mean, you talk about in. In failure and up.

[Sarah Shahi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

When referencing a very personal situation to make one of these points, you say, yeah, own your shit, learn from it and keep moving.

[Sarah Shahi]

Yes, yes.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

And that, that struck me really intensely because again, one of the things I'm working on is not feeling ashamed by other people's judgment, you know, of failure or my relationships. It's like, why do I care what a stranger thinks about my personal life? Like, Right. It's hard not to. And I'm. I don't know, I'm really curious about that because you seem so solid. You're like, I had this and then I didn't. I was in this relationship and then I wasn't. Now I'm learning this. I'm grateful, and I'm like, damn, girl. Like, where do we get the confidence cocktail? Like, yeah. Is that also a practice?

[Sarah Shahi]

Well, it's, it's, it's from a lifetime, Sophia, of doing things I swore I would never do. You know what I mean? And it's from me learning. It's from me learning through my own situations, you know, that's why I'm so upfront about my failures. Failures in the book is because the amount of times I swore up and down that I pass judgment on somebody because they did something and I swore I would never do it, only to find myself doing the exact same thing later on in life in another situation. It has taught me that you don't have the right to judge somebody else. Like, like you. You know, our mistakes or our learning lessons are tailor made for us. And because I do choose to live from a very spiritual place, I know that we only attract situations to us that inspire our highest growth. So your, your, your lessons, your challenges, they are tailor made for you and for you to pass jud somebody else's learning lessons or barometer of their challenges. Is like judging a cloud for being too, too fluffy. Like, it doesn't make sense. Like everybody, everybody's rock bottom looks different. Everybody has to hit their rock bottom at a time that is meant for them, that can inspire the most growth for them. So. And at the end of the day, it's like we're all here just to walk each other home. Like all of us are. We're all human beings sharing this. We're all souls that I believe. We've all made this agreement to come down to Earth School. We're all going to learn, we're all going to like, you know, and we're all going to help each other through it. We're not going to have it figured out right? But it's our. It's sort of like this unspoken agreement that we've made with one another before coming down that like, I'm going to attract your highest growth. I'm going to present you with a partner who cheats a lot. I'm going to present you with, with somebody who abandons you so you can get strong. And so I just live from this place of like, everything happens for a reason. Whether it's good or bad, it doesn't matter because it all inspires my highest growth. The people that serve as those haters that are passing judgment. It's like, you know, especially when I first had my divorce, it was, I mean, the, oh my God. I had to turn all. I had to get off Instagram, turn off comments. I know you've probably been in a similar position and. And then I'm like, but now when things come in, I just don't care anymore. You know, there's Also that great Dr. Seuss quote, which is, those who matter don't mind. Those who mind don't matter.

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It makes me think of what you wrote about in Value because you say when you show people your worth, you'll

[Sarah Shahi]

also see you'll find out very quickly, very quickly who agrees with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you don't, if you do not believe in yourself and you do not know you're awesome, how can you expect other people to? You know, if you don't think you're worthy of a partner who loves you unconditionally, if you don't think you are worthy of a partner who can accept your dark and your light, you know, then you will constantly attract people who don't until you start seeing yourself for that. And then you will attract somebody who measures that. So it. And, and again, that goes back to courage. Like, you know, Maya Angelou, who's a woman that I have spent countless hours studying and she's probably one of my greatest mentors and heroes in life. You know, she talks about courage as being of the seven virtues. Courage is the most important virtue because without courage, you wouldn't have the guts to practice anything consistently.

[Radhi Devluka]

Mm. Mm.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Yeah, I, I think it's, it sounds so obvious. And then again, going back to that earlier point, you're not going to learn something till you learn it. It's got to get in your body knowing you deserve courage, knowing you're worth it, knowing that you're not a failure when you're actually evolving out of something.

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[Sarah Shahi]

You know, and all that. That's right. And all of that comes from, from sitting with the discomfort.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Yeah.

[Sarah Shahi]

You have to sit with your discomfort. You can't, you know, you can't wish it away, you know, and at the end of the day, so emotions, the. The word emotion breaks down to energy in motion. That's what emotion means. They're just emotions like joy, grief, anger, fear, love. They're just emotions. And they are only as heavy as we make it to be. So a situation is only as big or small as the weight we assign to it. So if we can take away, to look at our pain and be like, okay, this sucks right now, but at the end of the day, it's not that big of a deal because I'm just sad over X, Y, and Z. I'm still breathing, like, I'm still here, life, you know, I still have my friends. I still have a roof over my head. I still have all these other things. But I'm really sad right now, and I'm just gonna sit with it and I'm gonna allow myself to be sad, and I'm gonna allow myself self to cry. You know, I'm going to allow for things to feel crunchy on the inside, because that's evolvement. That's growth. I read this quote on Instagram recently, which was like, pain is inevitable. Suffering is a choice.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Yeah.

[Sarah Shahi]

And the more I feel like we are. We allow ourselves to sit with our pain, to dis decipher it, to decode it, to, you know, dissect it, to see what it's trying to tell us. It's like, that's. That's where the light enters.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

It's beautiful.

[Radhi Devluka]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

I mean, everybody needs to read the book. Like you, from your stories and all the best quotes you put together for us at the top of chapters. It's like, yeah, it really. It's so special to read something. I'll speak to my experience. I won't speak for the whole audience, but, yeah, to read something that reminds me of the things I already knew were true.

[Sarah Shahi]

Yes. And sometimes that's all we need. You know, it's like, I say this too. It's like a miracle. Like, we. We have the ability. We experience miracles daily. Daily. There are miracles happening in front of us. It's a matter of whether or not we're attuned to it. And a miracle is just a shift in perspective. That's all it is. That's all it is. And this book really is. Yeah. Like, it was like, you know, and also, we live in an age where I feel like because of social media and the algorithms, we are so used to Netflix Telling us what to watch Amazon, telling us what couch to buy next. The apps tell us who to talk to. We swipe and like and heart like things. We've lost the ability to really get quiet and check in with ourselves. And I'm somebody again. Through my experiences, it's like I can ask 900 people what the right thing for me is, but I wasn't able to act on it and really learn what the right thing was until I shut out the noise.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Yes.

[Sarah Shahi]

And you have. And that's what this book is designed to do. It's designed to help you. Like, I'm not here to tell the reader what to do because I feel like advice is not prescriptive. It's not a one size fits all type model. What could work for you may not work for me. Right. So it's designed to help you shut out the noise and to reconnect with like the wisest person in the room, which I feel is in here.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

Well, life is lifey. The A to Z's of navigating life's messy middle friends. It's out now. Clearly you know you need to read it. And if you have been living under a rock, catch up on Paradise. Because season two starts February 23rd on Hulu Blue. I am waiting with bated breath. I love this show so much.

[Sarah Shahi]

The second season is a roller coaster. Like, if you thought the first season blew your mind, oh my God, the second season even I was, I was reading the scripts and I was like, what?

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[Sarah Shahi]

Like, how did you guys come up with this? It's so good.

[Podcast Host - Work in Progress]

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[Sarah Shahi]

My work in progress is, I mean, you just hit the nail on the head, which is to continue being in flow. You know, to just be present, to not try to future plan. Like. And my favorite thing to say is, I don't know. Like, I don't know what I want next. I don't know what tomorrow is going to bring. I don't know who I'm going to date. I don't know what job I'm going to have. But for the first time in my life, I am comfortable in that mystery. If anything, I feel safe in that mystery now. I feel like I'm being held by mystery and I've never had that outlook before. So the mystery was always a very anxious, anxiety ridden place for me in the past, but now it's just moment to moment just to stay in flow. Yeah. Wherever it takes me, that's where I go.

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[Sophia]

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