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Episode: ReThinking: Igniting Curiosity with Sean The Science Kid

Air Date: September 16, 2025

Host: Adam Grant (Organizational Psychologist, Author)
Guests: Sean “The Science Kid” (10-year-old internet science educator), Eunice Adachobe (Sean’s mother)

Overview

In this episode, Adam Grant sits down with his youngest guest ever—Sean, a 10-year-old science communicator known as “Sean the Science Kid”—and his mother, Eunice. The conversation dives into Sean’s remarkable journey as a prodigy, his passion for learning and teaching science, and how Eunice nurtures both his curiosity and humility. They discuss the importance of scientific literacy, strategies for fact-checking in the internet age, the role of humility in expertise, and how to ignite and channel curiosity. The episode is filled with fun metaphors, humorous family stories, and wisdom from both Sean and Eunice.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Sean’s Early Curiosity and Development

• First Science Inspirations (04:01)
  • Sean shares that science facts have always sparked his curiosity, with the working of the heart as an early example:
    “How this fist-sized organ of your body, made of pure muscle, can pump blood throughout your body and make it do one full circle in a singular minute.”
    — Sean [04:01]
• Learning to Read Before Age One (06:28)
  • Eunice describes discovering that Sean could read at 9 months, surprising the family and accelerating their commitment to nurturing his gift:
    “We got to know Sean could read at nine months... So I quit working and stayed home to nurture him.”
    — Eunice [06:28]
• Prodigious Talent and Giftedness (08:22)
  • By age 3, Sean was reading at a second-grade level, leading to a diagnosis of being “profoundly gifted.”

Humility, Rivalry, and Staying Grounded

• On Being Underestimated (09:14)
  • Sean confesses frustration when adults or peers don’t recognize his abilities:
    “When people don’t know my true power, they look down on me and I just get so angry…I hope this isn’t bad to say, but the word I was looking for was pissed.”
    — Sean [09:14]
• Parental Strategies for Humility (11:36)
  • Eunice encourages Sean to say “I don’t know” when he’s unsure, emphasizing intellectual humility:
    “It’s okay if you don’t know the answer… You just tell them… I’m going to research on it and then come back with an answer.”
    — Eunice [11:36]
• Sean’s Personal Method (11:01)
  • "To stay humble, I usually go and learn something that I know that I won't get on the first try. So then I end up not feeling like I'm the top of the world…”
    — Sean [11:01]

Scientific Literacy in the Internet Age

• The Double-Edged Sword of Science Accessibility (15:41)
  • Sean explains how access to information—the blessing and the curse—creates rampant misinformation:
    “There are a lot of people…not only science illiterate, but Internet fact-checking illiterate. There’s a lot of fake news out there, like, guys, NASA just proved the sun is fake or the moon is alive.”
    — Sean [15:41]
• Teaching Others How to Discern Facts (16:34)
  • Sean’s educational strategy involves direct comparison of competing sources:
    “Take two sources that both seem pretty convincing...and tell people to see which one is fake and which one is real.”
    — Sean [16:34]
• Science is Everywhere (17:39 & 18:18)
  • Eunice highlights Sean’s ability to show science in everyday life, and Sean provides a metaphor:
    “If you were to carry out your daily life but were cursed...to say every single science concept that you are using right now, you would probably pass out.”
    — Sean [18:18]

Making Complex Concepts Simple (Analogies & Metaphors)

• Advice for Communicating Abstract Concepts (19:13)
  • Sean shares tips for teachers:
    “Think of it like this or picture this in your mind. Those are the two phrases you should be using the most when you explain things like quantum decoherence...”
    — Sean [19:13]
  • Example: Explaining quantum states with a coin flip analogy [19:13–20:25].

Ambition, Career Plans, and Flexibility

• Sean’s Life Thesis—Ambition and Altruism (21:37)
  • Detailed, humorous plan to become a neurocardiosurgeon, found a hospital, become wealthy, and use profits to launch the Psy Reach Foundation to spread science education:
    “With the money I earned from my high school job and also my college job, I will use that money to hire a construction team… called Sean’s Brain and Heart Surgery Center...But there has been a silent thing behind this thesis… Psy Reach Foundation… it will donate science tools to kids and adults in underdeveloped countries.”
    — Sean [21:37–23:55]
• Openness to Change (24:02 & 24:19)
  • Discusses how new interests—like quantum physics—have altered his path multiple times, using a physics analogy:
    “…I got dragged by an unbalanced force…that is known as attraction. It attracted me towards it, causing my accelerations to add up…to this path of physics.”
    — Sean [24:19]
• Stardust & Scientific Awe (25:27)
  • Sean delivers a passionate reflection:
    “I am the result of 13.7 billion years of evolution. I am a thermodynamic miracle and a fighter of entropy. I am made of literal stardust… I am the universe looking back at itself, and I am a blessing.”
    — Sean [25:27]

Curiosity—How It Starts and How to Grow It

• Deep vs. Broad Curiosity (38:12)
  • Sean:
    “My broad curiosity starts when I feel like I don’t have anything to learn...I go on YouTube, Instagram, where I can find learning stuff… My gaze stops, my gaze halts, and it focuses on that one thing. I decide to dig more into it. Direct curiosity initiated. This causes me to dig, dig, dig deeper until I find a golden nugget… and bam. New interest found.”
    — Sean [38:12–39:08]
  • Adam’s highlight:
    “Sean, you just coined my new favorite phrase—Bam. New interest found.”
    — Adam [39:02]

Parenting a Prodigy—Structure & Play

• Promoting Play and Balance (39:21)
  • Eunice describes having to encourage Sean to play, rather than study:
    “Where kids, you have to beg them to stop playing… I had to beg mine to play.”
    — Eunice [39:21]
  • Adam and Sean discuss the importance of play for scientific discovery:
    “...serendipity is a huge part of scientific discovery... The scientific method is play around and find out.”
    — Adam and Sean [40:13, 40:33]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Simplicity in Science:
  “If you're not thinking about it simply, you're not thinking hard enough... If you can't explain it simply, then you haven't truly learned it.”
  — Sean [03:14]
• On Confidence and Humility:
  “To stay humble, I usually go and learn something that I know that I won't get on the first try.”
  — Sean [11:01]
• On Curiosity and New Interests:
  “My gaze stops, my gaze halts, and it focuses on that one thing...Bam. New interest found.”
  — Sean [38:39–39:08]
• On Scientific Identity:
  “I am made of literal stardust… I am the universe looking back at itself, and I am a blessing.”
  — Sean [25:27]
• On Parental Guidance:
  “I intentionally delay [what Sean craves]… just to help him to work on his expectation.”
  — Eunice [32:36]

Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 03:14 | Sean on explaining science simply | | 04:01 | Early science curiosity – the human heart | | 06:28 | Learning to read at nine months | | 09:14 | Being underestimated and staying humble | | 11:01 | Sean's humility strategy | | 15:41 | Science literacy and misinformation | | 16:34 | Teaching fact-checking with “real/fake” comparisons | | 19:13 | Tips for explaining complex ideas (metaphors) | | 21:37 | Sean’s “life thesis” career plan | | 25:27 | "Made of stardust" video segment | | 26:49 | Saul Perlmutter’s question about curiosity | | 30:32 | Lightning round: fun science facts & lessons | | 39:21 | Parenting a prodigy—play as a forced activity | | 38:12 | Sean on broad and deep curiosity | | 40:33 | Scientific discovery as play |

Tone & Atmosphere

The tone is playful, humorous, and filled with genuine wonder. Adam and Sean exchange clever analogies, and Eunice’s warmth and wisdom shine throughout. Sean’s precocious insights are matched by a refreshing honesty and sense of fun, making for a lively and inspiring conversation about curiosity, learning, and the art of making science accessible and joyful.

Episode Takeaways

• Curiosity can be cultivated—by following interests both wide and deep and being willing to say, “I don’t know.”
• Science is everywhere—with the right lens, even swinging on a playground is science in action.
• Communication matters—using metaphors and analogies is key to making complex ideas understandable.
• Humility & play are essential companions to ambition and achievement.
• Parental support, structure, and patience play a fundamental role in nurturing gifted children, helping them balance drive with enjoyment and resilience.

Most Memorable Line:
“Bam. New interest found.”
— Sean [39:02], as celebrated by Adam as his new favorite phrase.