The Child Cancer Scam: 5. The agency

Summary

World of Secrets – The Child Cancer Scam

Episode 5: The Agency
BBC Podcast | Hosted by Simi Jalo Osho | Air Date: December 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the BBC’s investigation into fraudulent child cancer crowdfunding schemes, focusing on the elusive charity Chancellor Tikva (“Chance for Hope”), its hidden operations in Israel, and its connections to a slick digital agency, Turbo Digital. Through on-the-ground reporting, interviews, and database sleuthing, the team reveals how aggressive marketing, shadowy organizations, and lax oversight enable a conveyor belt of scams that exploit families in crisis—while millions in donations vanish.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Searching for Chancellor Tikva: A Hidden Charity

• Field Investigation: Host Simi Jalo Osho and Israeli journalist Tom Tsu Weiswelder travel to Bet Shemesh to locate Chancellor Tikva’s registered office, as listed on charity records and their website.
  • The address leads to a residential area in a tight-knit Orthodox Jewish community ([01:13–03:13]).
  • No evidence of an office or organization at the address—none of the mailboxes are labeled, and residents are unaware of Chancellor Tikva ([03:20–03:43]).
• Confrontation: Simi and Tom are approached by men who become hostile, telling them to leave under threat while one apparently calls for backup.
  • “He threatened us now. He said, if you don't want to be a mess, you're going to go.” – Tom ([05:00])
  • The journalists leave, fearing for their safety.

2. The Role of Turbo Digital

• Agency Connection: Chancellor Tikva’s videos feature a flame-shaped logo linking to Turbo Digital, a Jerusalem-based marketing agency specializing in emotional crowdfunding campaigns ([07:19]).
• Inside Turbo Digital:
  • Director Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky ("Shuli") describes her approach:
    • “People today are incredibly smart, including donors. They know when something's real. If it's authentic, they'll give. If it feels off, they won't.” – Shuli ([07:19])
    • She describes sitting with families herself to capture authentic tearful stories [07:53–08:22].
• Campaigns and Missing Funds: Simi discovers that families featured in viral Turbo Digital/Chancellor Tikva campaigns—like Hector’s family in Mexico—never received the funds raised ([08:40]).

3. Tracking the Money: Domains and Direct Links

• Domain Investigations: Jack Goodman ties the “Chance for Hope” web domain (used on campaign sites) directly to Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky via public record ([09:37–10:12]).
• Direct Evidence: Donation buttons for Khalil’s campaign on a crowdfunding page link straight to a “Chance for Hope” site registered by Shulamit.

4. Unethical Film-Making Tactics

• Former Media and Family Testimonies:
  • Shulamit boasts in press interviews of having earned “300,000 shekels a day in one campaign” ([11:26]) and of the ease of making money.
  • Accusations of staging and coaching mothers to exaggerate their children’s suffering for the camera:
    • “They asked that I say that Olesa was dying and that we desperately needed money. And they said, cry. Then they told me, not like that. You need to cry louder.” – Oksana ([12:28])
    • "They told me to say things like, the child is feeling very unwell, she is dying, and money is needed urgently." – Natalia ([13:46])
  • After filming, families receive little or none of the donations, with “production costs” cited as the reason. Natalia’s campaign raised $66,000, none of which she saw ([14:42]).

5. Turbo Digital's Response

• Shulamit declines to speak directly, issuing a statement that all productions are done with family approval and sensitivity ([16:02]).
• Denies involvement in fundraising money management or misconduct, claiming they only edited existing Chancellor Tikva content and have since cut ties ([16:19]).
• Attributes lingering campaign listings on Turbo’s website to oversight, promising their removal ([16:51]).

6. Regulatory Blind Spots in Israel

• Interview: El Globus (Former head of the Israeli Corporations Authority) explains the limits of charity oversight:
  • Confirms that misdirecting donor money for other purposes is illegal ([19:19–20:00]).
  • Regulation is mainly reactive; authorities act on complaints and do not routinely verify charity office addresses ([20:36]).
  • Highlights “shapeshifting” nature of fraudulent NGOs that restart under new names/self-reinvention ([21:26], [22:17]).

7. The Scamming Network Evolves

• New linked organizations (The Little Angels, St. Teresa, St. Raphael) appear as older ones are shut down or exposed ([22:49]).
• Patterns in campaign videos reveal they’re being staged in the same clinics, notably in Ukraine’s Engelholm/Angelholm Clinic ([23:20–23:58]).
• Parents typically are given small amounts—$2,000—while much larger sums are raised and never transferred ([24:20]).

8. Clinic and Individual Responses

• Engelholm Clinic denies knowledge or approval of any fundraising filmed on its premises and terminates implicated employee Tetiana Haliyavka ([25:46]).
• Tetiana does not respond to requests for comment despite evidence connecting her to the outreach and filming.

9. Families Confront the Orchestrators

• Filipino mother Algin tries to confront Erez Hadari (an implicated organizer) about her son Khalil’s campaign, which is still raising donations posthumously ([26:03–29:14]).
  • She suspects the money is being pocketed and used for further schemes, expressing anger and the need for justice.
  • Erez ultimately does not answer her call, setting up a dramatic moment for the next episode ([29:39]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On community secrecy:
  “Things that are going on inside the community a lot of times doesn’t go out to the general public.”
  —Tom Tsu Weiswelder ([02:39])

• On staged appeals:
  “They said, cry. Then they told me, not like that. You need to cry louder.”
  —Oksana ([12:28])

• On not receiving donations:
  “I just sat and cried because I didn’t understand what kind of madness was going on.”
  —Natalia ([14:33])

• On easy fundraising:
  “Sometimes I go to bed, wake up in the morning, and the campaign has raised another quarter of a million online. It’s hard to sleep like that.”
  —Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky ([11:26])

• On legal implications:
  “If they’re taking their money, the money that they raised to a sick child, to their pocket, it’s like stealing money. It’s really wrong.”
  —El Globus ([20:21])

• On regulatory limitations:
  “The problem is that an NGO can operate, and even if we shut it down, then it can open another NGO and start over again.”
  —El Globus ([21:26])

• On the emotional toll for families:
  “It’s very important to get justice for Khalil. I think he used the money for himself to travel around and con other people.”
  —Algin ([29:14])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 01:13–03:43: Searching for Chancellor Tikva’s address in Bet Shemesh
• 05:00–05:38: Journalists are threatened and forced to leave
• 07:19–08:40: Introduction to Turbo Digital and their marketing methods
• 09:37–10:12: Linking “Chance for Hope” domain to Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky
• 12:28–14:33: Testimonies from mothers about being coached for fundraising videos
• 16:02–16:51: Turbo Digital's official response
• 19:19–21:26: El Globus on charity fraud and oversight in Israel
• 22:49–24:20: Evolution and proliferation of linked charity names and campaigns
• 25:46–26:03: Engelholm Clinic’s response and dismissal of staff
• 26:03–29:39: Algin tries to confront Erez; lead-in to next episode

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains an investigative, empathetic tone throughout, balancing hard-hitting exposure of fraud with compassion for the families affected. The reporting is meticulous but maintains a sense of urgency and outrage as Simi and her colleagues uncover hurtful manipulations of hope and suffering.

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Key Takeaways

• BBC’s probe reveals a tightly controlled, evasive network behind supposed child cancer charities, adept at masking operations and evading both journalists and regulators.
• Turbo Digital’s emotional video campaigns are central to driving donations, but the families depicted consistently receive little to none of the money.
• The organizations systematically exploit legal loopholes and regulatory weaknesses, easily rebranding as soon as scrutiny mounts.
• Affected families are left traumatized and impoverished, while organizers like Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky and Erez Hadari maintain distance or deny wrongdoing.
• More revelations and dramatic confrontations are expected in the next—and final—episode of this series.

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Transcript

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[Simi Jalo Osho]

It's a hot morning here in Tel Aviv and we are headed to the address listed on the Chancellor Tikva website. I want to see if there's an office there and if there's someone we can finally speak to. The address is also the one listed for Chancellor Tikva on the official charity database. Israeli journalist Tom Tsu Weiswelder is with me.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

So we're going to a city called B', Shemesh, which is religious city. We're going to a neighborhood that is populated with Orthodox Jews and that means we need to come in a modest clothing. So I brought for you some scarves so you can cover your shoulders and my chest. We're going to try not to draw too much attention to ourselves because we want to be respectful and we want to try to get to the charities offices.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Bet Shemesh has a large Orthodox Jewish or Haredi community. It's about 30 kilometers west of Jerusalem.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

They have the traditional dress for the men with their top hat and the jackets. Even when it's very hot outside they wear it. And for the women they need to be modest, which means that the skirt has to be after the knee line and the shirt has to be covering the shoulders.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

They are a tight knit community with their own schools, charity networks and neighborhood institutions.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

Things that are going on inside the community a lot of times doesn't go out to the general public.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

So we are just arriving at the address on the Chancellor Tikva website. And this. It seems like a residential neighborhood. There are lots of mid rise apartment blocks and I see lots of families, men and children in traditional haredi outfits just walking around. It's fairly quiet.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

Okay, so the address is supposed to be right here.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

We find these cream coloured apartment blocks with glass balconies. First we check the mailboxes at the entrance of the one that matches the address. So none of these mailboxes say Chancellor Tikva?

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

No. And none of the last names are similar to the members registered in Chancellor Tikva.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

But after a few minutes, a man with a long beard wearing a white shirt and glasses comes out of the building. We ask him if he's heard of Chancellor Tikva.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

Chancellor Tikva, a charity.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

You've not heard of it? He tells us there are some porter cabins around the side of the building with the same address. So we go and look there, but there's nothing here that spells office or charity or anything else. There's another man coming out. So should we walk out? Out of the corner of my eye I notice another man who starts. He asks us if we have permission to record. He tells us this is private land. Tom tells him it's not. Before we know it, more men join them. I count four and they're all looking at us. It feels like they've come out of nowhere. One of them is on the phone. He's got his hand on his hip and stares at us intently as he makes a call. Things are starting to get tense.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

Now. He threatened us now. He said, if you don't want to be a mess, you're going to go.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

It's clear they don't want us here, so we've basically just had to flee. The chance to take for a dress.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

He said that if we don't leave in 10 minutes, he's going to make a mess. And he was saying that while he was on the phone, like seemingly calling for backup. And there was a lot of people grouping around us and it became kind of scary.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Yeah, we were basically surrounded at one point and then another man was saying this is private property, step back. And they clearly wanted us to leave at some point.

[Tom Tsu Weiswelder]

I also got scared, like when he said leave in 10 minutes or it's going to be a mess. I also felt like we need to go from there because this is not a safe environment for us.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

This is world of sequel secrets season 10 the child cancer scam. A BBC world service investigation I'm simi. Jolo osho. Episode 5 the agency. So I can't find an office for Chancellor Tikva. I can't get through to anyone on the phone, but there is a marketing agency here in Jerusalem that appears to have done work for them. In the corner of this Chancellor Tikva video is a flame shaped logo. It belongs to Turbo Digital. When you click on it, it takes you through to their YouTube channel, where there's video after video of sick people. They all follow a familiar script, heartfelt, tearful stories to emotive music. On its website, Turbo Digital says it does what it loves.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

People today are incredibly smart, including donors. They know when something's real. If it's authentic, they'll give. If it feels off, they won't.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

This is Turbo Digital's director and owner, Shulemit Seagal Zlotsky or Shuli. She's speaking on the Clickability Podcast in 2019 about her work. The host asks her how she conveys the feeling that this is a genuine campaign and not some kind of scam.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

I direct the videos myself. I sit with the person, look them in the eye. And sometimes when people see heartbreaking videos, they don't realize how much more heartbreaking the raw footage behind the scenes was. When I understand the case deeply, it becomes easier for me to make sure the text reflects what's needed.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

She knows, she says, how to get into people's hearts and into their pockets.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

You see a parent like you who loves their child. Each of us connects from our own place. Maybe it reminds you of your younger brother, your mother, or someone else you love. There's so much more that unites us than divides us. Crowdfunding proves that over and over again, which I find amazing.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

On the Turbo Digital website, in the Active campaign section, I find a carousel of fundraisers, including a Chancellor Tikva one for a little boy called Hector. On the actual campaign page, it says it has raised nearly a million dollars. But when we contact Hector's family in Mexico, just like Anna Khalil and Victoria, they say they have not received any of the campaign's donations. Tragically, their little boy Hector has since died. We've spent hours looking at the various Chancellor Tikva campaigns and websites, and my teammate Jack Goodman has managed to make some more connections.

[Jack Goodman]

So Chancellor Tikva in English is Chance for Hope, and there's a web domain that we've seen linked to quite a few of the Chancellor Tikva campaign pages. The domain is Chance for Hope.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

So.

[Jack Goodman]

You can look up domains to see who registered them. And I looked up this domain to see who registered it, and it's Schulimitz. It's got her full name, her address, her phone number, email address. It's all there.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

And there's more.

[Jack Goodman]

That URL has actually come up before. I'm going to take you to Khalil's campaign page, which is still online, which is on a crowdfunding platform. You scroll down the page a bit and then there are four links inviting you to donate in dollars, euros, pounds and shekels. And when you hover the mouse over the links, you can see that it leads to a webpage with that Chance for Hope URL.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

So you're saying there's a direct link between the domain registered by Shulamit and Khalil's campaign?

[Jack Goodman]

Yeah.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Shulamit Segal Zlotsky, or Shuli, is in her late 20s and she's had a fair amount of press coverage in Israel. In an article in the Jerusalem Post, she talks about proudly leading a team of mostly Haredi women like herself. They are the real super women, she's quoted as saying. And in another article, she boasts about how easy it is to make money.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

300,000 shekels a day in one campaign. Sometimes I go to bed, wake up in the morning, and the campaign has raised another quarter of a million online. It's hard to sleep like that.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

It isn't all good news, though. Shunamit also features in a TV investigation by Israel's Channel 11 from 2023, where she's accused of using unethical practices when making fundraising videos. In this footage that looks like it was shot on a mobile phone, Shulamit is saying to a mother through an interpreter that she wants to film her child alone. Another mother called Oksana, also describes her experience in the documentary. When they came to film the video.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

With Olesya, Shuli was there with an interpreter.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

They asked that I say that Olesa was dying and that we desperately needed money. And they said, cry. Then they told me, not like that. You need to cry louder. I spoke to two other mothers who say they had similar experiences with Shulamit in Israel. One I'll call Natalia because she doesn't want me to use her real name. In 2022, she traveled to Israel from Ukraine to get a bone marrow transplant for her one year old daughter. But it was expensive and she found her money quickly running out. That's when she says she was approached by someone offering help.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

It all started when I got a call from a man who said he was the director of some foundation. He said that he would really like to help me and my daughter. He offered to film a video that we would post on some social platforms to raise some money.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Natalia felt they did not have a choice.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

That was probably my last hope. We needed funds urgently. I hoped it would really help us and we would be able to raise money quickly and pay the clinic.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

The man wasn't working with Chancellor Tikva or Wars of Hope. He said he was representing a different organization.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

A group came, two women and one man. They put a bit of makeup on me, put my girl in a bed, and told me to tell our story in a way that will make people cry. They told me to say that she was almost dying. They said I should say things like, the child is feeling very unwell, she is dying, and money is needed urgently. Well, it was not a very pleasant experience. The whole situation wasn't normal.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

One of the women directing her, she says, was Shulimit.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

She was there, and she was the one who told me to say this horrible things.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

By the time the filming had ended and they had packed up and left, how did you feel?

[Narrator/Voiceover]

I just sat and cried because I didn't understand what kind of madness was going on.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Three months later, Natalia says she was contacted by Shulamit, who shared a link to the campaign. Natalia was amazed to watch the donations pour in, eventually reaching over $66,000. But Natalia says she didn't receive any of it. And when she asked, she said she was told the funds had all been used for the production costs, the organization's overheads and advertising. It's so similar to the experiences of the other families we've heard from, whose campaigns were run by Chancellor Tikva and Walls of Hope. I really want to hear what Shulamit has to say about all this. But after days of back and forth, she declines to talk to me. Instead, she asks me to send questions over email. A few days later, we receive a written reply. Turbo Digital said they have never instructed that any parent call suffering to their child and that every production is done with sensitivity, gentleness, and full approval by the family. In terms of where the campaign money that never reached the families has gone, Shulamit insists Turbo Digital has nothing to do with it.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

If the goal is a fundraiser campaign, the donations are directed straight to the association's bank account. We never have had access to a client's account, and we have no way to examine the association's manner of funds management.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

She didn't deny working with Chancellor Tikva.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

But said we didn't shoot their ads and didn't stage them. We received ready materials for editing and we did that.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

She says they cut ties with them in mid 2023 and that they registered the web domain for them as a technical service.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

It was needed to verify emails. This is a service the association requests for the reason presented by need of professional help in verifying a domain and.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

On why Hector's campaign was still on her website, she Due to lack of.

[Shulamit Seagal Zlotsky (Shuli)]

Attention during building the new site, this campaign was not removed from active campaigns to the finished campaign zone. Thanks to your notice, we have removed the old version completely and soon will air the new site.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

I did notice that after we asked her about it, Turbo Digital's homepage changed with a message saying its site is under construction. Shulimit didn't tell us who at Chancellor Tikva she did work with, but said she doesn't know Erez Hadary.

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[Simi Jalo Osho]

In Israel, the body that oversees the registration of charities is the Israeli Corporations Authority. It's part of the Ministry of Justice, the Current spokesperson said no one was available to talk, but the former head agreed to meet me.

[El Globus]

Hi, I'm El Globus. I'm a lawyer, an Israeli lawyer. I was the head of the Israeli Authority of Companies who really is dealing with several fields. One of them is ngo.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Have you ever heard of cases where charities exploit families by offering to crowdfund for them and then they never give them the money?

[El Globus]

We heard about it in several NGOs. There is a sick person and he's not getting money at all or not getting some of the money. And actually the NGO is using the money for other purposes, which is illegal. Actually, it's illegal.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

And what did you do about it when you heard about these cases?

[El Globus]

We have several stages. First, we can tell all the public this NGO is not acting properly and we can do even more than that to shut them down completely.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

I tell him what I found out about Chancellor Tikva. He says he can't comment on specific.

[El Globus]

Cases, but if they're cheating, it's totally wrong. It's even criminal. If they're taking their money, the money that they raised to a sick child, to their pocket, it's like stealing money. It's really wrong.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

I explained that we couldn't find any sign of their office at their registered address. What do they do in cases like that?

[El Globus]

We don't go regularly to check whether that's the office of that NGO or charity. If we have any information that that address is wrong, we can tell them, listen, something is wrong, write a correct address, and if not, we'll do one or two or three in the end, not because of that, but because of other things which are more serious. We might even stop the operation of this ngo. The problem is that an NGO can operate, and even if we shut it down, then it can open another NGO and start over again.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

If someone has created a charity, the charity is seen as fraudulent, they shut it down. That same person can create another charity. If I'm telling you now that this is a problem, that lots of families have been affected by this, does this not show that the Ministry of Justice is just not doing enough to prevent this from happening?

[El Globus]

Yeah, but I don't think you can stop it, like with 100%, for instance, if somebody is stealing something from your house, it doesn't mean that the police is not okay or the Ministry of Justice is not acting okay. Fiefs would always be. And still, even in that field, fiefs are always trying to find different ways or the same way to steal money or to operate Illegally.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

After I'd left the country, the Israeli Corporations Authority did send us a statement. They said that if someone is found breaking the law, they will be barred from working in the sector again. The network we've uncovered does seem to keep reinventing itself. Shapeshifting, name changing in Ukraine. Oleg spoke about there being different organizations each time.

[Jack Goodman]

I hate to put it this way.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

But they work kind of like a conveyor belt.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

So far, we have found wars of hope, Chance for hope, which is Chancellor Tikva, the little angels, St. Teresa, and now a new one called St. Raphael. All linked. One of the archived St. Raphael campaigns has Chancellor Tikva's American phone number on it. And over the last few months, more campaign videos have been coming out of Ukraine under Saint Raphael. Jack's been monitoring them.

[Jack Goodman]

The first one we saw was videos of a little girl crying in a. What looked like a hospital room. But the room she was in looked really familiar. There was a kind of a wooden cabinet, and it's because that cabinet looks so similar to the room where Victoria was filmed in Engelholm. Angelholm Clinic in Chernivtsi. There's been two other campaign videos since then, and I suspect that they were also filmed there just because of the look of the room.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Are you talking about the wood paneling?

[Jack Goodman]

The wood paneling, Some of the cabinets.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Bed frames as well.

[Jack Goodman]

Exactly. When you've been looking at these videos for so long, something was instantly recognizable. So we called one of these children's parents, and she told us a very familiar story. She ended up filming in Engelholm, which does seem to be a bit of a hub for this operation.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

She told us that she only received $2,000 on the day of filming, similar to Olena. And the person this mother says helped organize it?

[Jack Goodman]

Tatiana. So mother told us that Tatiana had got them involved in this filming. And Oleg was also there on the day of filming.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Oleg, who filmed Victoria's campaign.

[Jack Goodman]

Yeah.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

When our Ukrainian producer calls the clinic to confirm what Tetiana Haleyevka's role is there, we are told she manages Engelholm's advertising and communications. We put all our findings to them and got this response.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

The information you communicated has caused us considerable concern. The clinic has never participated in nor supported any fundraising initiatives organized by any organization. The clinic did not receive and did not issue any letter, request permission or approval for photography or video recording on its premises. For the purposes to which you refer, the clinic formally declares that any statements, assumptions, or insinuations concerning the clinic's involvement in foreign fundraising activities or the treatment of children with oncological diseases are entirely unfounded and categorically false.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

And when it comes to Tetiana Haliyavka.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

They In view of the information you provided, the clinic has made the decision to terminate her employment. You may address any personal questions directly to Ms. Halavka.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

Well, it's time to call her directly and ask her about her involvement. There's a number for her that's on telegram, says she's online. So Tatiana is online. I can see she's active on Telegram right now and she's just ignored my call and I've tried her a couple of times on this number, on another number and yeah, she's just not responding. So I'm going to send her a text message now and let's see if she gets back to me. She didn't reply and doesn't respond to our email spelling out all the allegations against her, including how she recruited families and used her clinic as cover for filming. Back in the Philippines. It's been a while since Algin has spoken to or seen Erez Hadari. After we showed her Khalil's live campaign, she sent it straight to Erez, but he ignored it. Then out of the blue, she gets a text from Erez Hadari saying he's coming to the Philippines. Aljun wants to know what his plans are, but she also wants to finally be able to ask him about Khalil's campaign, about the $27,000 it raised and about the fact that it's still taking donations. Her husband, Josen, takes the kids out of the room so it will be quiet. She composes herself. My colleague tracks the floor, is in Cebu to record it. I'm calling Erez to ask why the campaign is still live even though Khalil is no longer with us. I want to know his reason for not stopping the campaign. I want to know why he won't leave Khalil alone. It's her chance to try and get some answers, but she doesn't know how it will go or how he will react. It's very important to get justice for Khalil. I think he'll be caught off guard and he might not answer. He doesn't have the right to be angry with us. He's the one who tricked us. Would he even have the nerve to be mad at us? I should be the one who's angry. I think he used the money for himself to travel around and con other people. But Erez doesn't pick up contact may be offline. How do you feel about that? Excited?

[Narrator/Voiceover]

Sana.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

I was excited to speak to him, ask how he is, what he's doing. It says last seen a moment ago. But then two weeks later, while Algin's at home with her kids, she looks down at her phone. There's a video call coming in. It's Erez Eris.

[Narrator/Voiceover]

Hello.

[Simi Jalo Osho]

How are you? Where are you? That's next time on World of Secrets. If you have any information you would like to share with me about this investigation, you can send an email to simibc.co.uk this has been episode 5 of 6 of season 10 of World of Secrets, the child cancer Scam from the BBC World Service. Thank you for listening. We love it when people leave a rating or review for the podcast because it helps new listeners find it. So if you've got a minute to do so, then please do. The child cancer scam is presented and investigated by me, Simi Jalaosho with Jack Goodman and Ned Davis. It's written and Produced by Neil McCarthy and Rob Wilson. Rebecca Henschke is the executive producer and the sound design and mix is by Andy Fell. In Israel, our reporters are Tom Tsu Weisfelde and Shaked Auerbach. And in the Philippines, it's tracks aflore voiceover by Jay Baruzzi, Natalia mcahon, Ina Kosinska and Zhenya Shidlovska. It's a BBCI production for the BBC World Service.

[El Globus]

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[Simi Jalo Osho]

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[El Globus]

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[Simi Jalo Osho]

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