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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
Hey, Wowzer fans, Mindy and Guy here. And before we start the show, we have some very exciting news to share that involves you.
Guy Raz
That's right, wowzers. Over the years, over 12,000 of you have called our wow in the World hotline. Sharing your wow facts with us every day.
Mindy Thomas
That's a lot of wows. And guess what? We are getting super close to achieving the Guinness World Record for the most submissions to a fact hotline.
Guy Raz
And that's where we need your help, wowzers. If you haven't called in to share your wow yet, we need over 4,000 of you to call us with your wow.
Mindy Thomas
It could be a big wow or a small wow. Every wow, Every fact counts.
Guy Raz
And if you have called in, congratulations. Already a part of our world record attempt.
Mindy Thomas
But you can still help us get closer to our goal by telling your classmates, friends and pigeons to call in with their wows and facts too.
Guy Raz
So what in the wow are you waiting for? Give us a call at 1-888-7-WOW wow to be a part of our Guinness World record attempt. That's 1-888-7-WOW WOW. Now let's get back to the show.
Fingerling
Proceeded.
Dennis
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Guy Raz
All right, just gonna turn these lamps on here.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh, yeah, that looks good.
Guy Raz
And that should do it. Okay, Mindy, I think we've got the mood all set to welcome Grandma G Force back home from her week of gentleness training.
Mindy Thomas
Wow. Her diaper house has never felt this calm.
Thomas
Yeah, even her cat landlord Colonel Toots Thunderbird. Grandpa agrees. Don't you, Colonel Toots?
Dennis
Tee hee.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, so let's see now. What all did we do to make it feel so nice and calm in here? It's usually pretty chaotic.
Guy Raz
Well, for one, we replaced all of our flashing strobe lights with warm, soft, energy saving light bulbs.
Thomas
Ah, I liked the strobe lights.
Guy Raz
And then we painted the diaper walls a relaxing neutral color.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh, is that beige or gray?
Thomas
Actually, it's called Greige. I picked it.
Guy Raz
And we also added some nature, you know, green plants and flowers.
Mindy Thomas
Wow, they smelled good.
Guy Raz
And speaking of Smells. We also cleaned out Colonel Toots litter box and put out a couple of essential oil diffusers.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh, lavender.
Guy Raz
We also hung some chimes. And we created this comfy little Zen corner with a cozy floor cushion. Perfect for her to sit in when she needs a place to calm down.
Mindy Thomas
So we made her a timeout corner.
Guy Raz
Yeah, I guess you could call it that.
Mindy Thomas
Well, I'd say we thought of everything. Guy Raz. It's gonna be impossible for Grandma G Force to be anything but gentle when she comes home to her relaxing diaper house.
Thomas
Can anyone tell me why Grandma GeForce had to go to gentleness training in the first place?
Mindy Thomas
Oh, yeah.
Guy Raz
Well, if I'm not mistaken, I think it had something to do with getting in trouble for taking a Zamboni out of the ice arena and driving it.
Mindy Thomas
Through a construction site.
Thomas
Uh huh.
Guy Raz
She said the construction was in her way.
Mindy Thomas
Yeah, and she also drove the Zamboni over a bunch of road signs while yelling, don't tell me what to do.
Thomas
Aha.
Guy Raz
So a judge ordered her to go to gentleness training to help her handle problems a little more gently.
Mindy Thomas
So in order to set her up for success, we decided to make her home a place where it's easier for her to feel calm and gentle.
Thomas
All right, well, I hope it works. I can see Grandma G Force and Thomas fingerling through the window right now.
Mindy Thomas
Let me see. Careful now, Fingerling.
Grandma G Force
Easy does it.
Fingerling
I know, I know, I got it.
Mindy Thomas
Wow, look how calm she looks. So light on her feet. She's barely even stomping on the pavement.
Guy Raz
It's almost like she doesn't want to hurt it or something.
Dennis
Gentle.
Mindy Thomas
So graceful. Like an old wrestling hot pepper Smackin Ballerina.
Grandma G Force
Now Fingerling, when we get to my dapper house, you're gonna give em a bath and I'm gonna sing them a song.
Fingerling
Oh, I wanna sing them a song.
Dennis
No.
Fingerling
Okay, fine.
Guy Raz
Wait. It looks like she's holding something.
Dennis
What is that?
Mindy Thomas
Something wrapped in a tiny blanket and.
Thomas
Tucked away in a tiny basket.
Grandma G Force
You're jostling them. Fingerling noise.
Guy Raz
It looks like they're walking up to the house now.
Dennis
Yay.
Guy Raz
Wait, why is Grandma GeForce knocking at her own door?
Dennis
I'll get it.
Mindy Thomas
Opening the door.
Dennis
Surprise.
Fingerling
What in the world wide web?
Guy Raz
Dennis, no, this is not a surprise party.
Mindy Thomas
Grandma G Force, welcome home From Gentleness Training 1.
Guy Raz
Uh, what?
Grandma G Force
I said line. Fingerling line.
Fingerling
Right. Let me check the gentleness training manual here. Uh, the line is thank you. It is so lovely to see you.
Grandma G Force
I do not want to say that.
Mindy Thomas
So how was gentleness training? Grandma G Force, tell us everything.
Thomas
Yeah, did you learn how to not lay the smackdown on innocent Dennises by running them over with your shopping cart when you're mad at the sun for shining?
Guy Raz
Or how not to stomp on people's flower gardens when the tulips look too cheerful?
Mindy Thomas
Or how to not splash people walking through the mall when you're diving for coins in the fountain and stuffing them into your wrestling unitard, even though security keeps asking you to please stop doing that because you're stealing people's wishes.
Grandma G Force
No, no and no. But what I did learn at gentleness school was how to not break a baby.
Fingerling
Okay, gently show em the baby, G Force.
Dennis
Baby?
Mindy Thomas
What baby?
Thomas
Is there a bab in the basket you're holding?
Dennis
Oh, I love babies. Let me see, let me see. Let me.
Grandma G Force
Gentle. He's sleeping, even though his little googly eyes won't shut.
Guy Raz
What?
Fingerling
Here, let's just gently remove the little baby blanket a bit so then you can take a look.
Guy Raz
Wait, the baby blanket is a pancake?
Grandma G Force
Hush, boy. We're gonna wake him up.
Fingerling
There he is. Aw, look at him.
Dennis
Oh, he is.
Grandma G Force
He's so cute, I could just scramble.
Mindy Thomas
I mean, snuggle him up.
Grandma G Force
Do not do that.
Thomas
And he's got your shell, Granny G.
Grandma G Force
Why, yes, he does.
Guy Raz
I'm sorry, is that an egg?
Grandma G Force
Not just any old egg. Garage. This here is Egbert Benedict Cumberhatch iii.
Fingerling
He's a wealthy baby.
Mindy Thomas
Ah, pro.
Thomas
Yeah, that sounds rich.
Mindy Thomas
Old money.
Thomas
Regal.
Guy Raz
Huh.
Grandma G Force
He was born weighing 1.75 ounces and exactly five and a half centimeters long. I adopted him at gentleness school.
Thomas
Why?
Dennis
Aw.
Mindy Thomas
But also, why?
Grandma G Force
I don't know. I was forced to do it.
Guy Raz
Wait a minute. I think I know the answer to this.
Mindy Thomas
You do?
Guy Raz
I do. This egg baby must have been given to Grandma G Force as a test to see how gentle she can be.
Thomas
I don't get it.
Mindy Thomas
Yeah, me neither.
Guy Raz
Well, eggs are very fragile, right? And the only thing protecting what's inside from the rest of the world is a thin shell. And to know if Grandma G Force's gentleness training actually worked or not. She was probably given this egg baby as a test. A test to see how long she could go.
Grandma G Force
And that judge down at the court says I gotta keep this egg alive for a whole week or else I gotta go back and learn how to be gentle all over again.
Mindy Thomas
Well, I would just like to say that little Egbert here is the cutest little egg I have ever seen. Can he do any tricks?
Grandma G Force
Here, let me pick him up and then drop them on the table there so you can watch them. Rol.
Dennis
No. No.
Grandma G Force
Why not? You don't want him to see him roll over.
Fingerling
Gee, Forrest, you can't drop sweet baby Eggbert on the table. You gotta hold them upright and support the neck.
Grandma G Force
How? Don't you not know nothing about egg baby's fingerling? You gotta put it to sleep on its side when you drop it else or it'll open up and all its guts are gonna spill out all over the place.
Fingerling
No, everyone knows that an eg on the top of its head and its little bottom there. So if you're gonna drop it on the table, that's the only way you want to do it. Straight up and down a vertical drop of the baby.
Dennis
False.
Grandma G Force
You do not know nothing about dropping that baby's fingerling. How about is I drop you on your headlang?
Mindy Thomas
Okay, okay. No one in this diaper house is dropping anyone or anything thing on its head. We're keeping our hands to ourselves and focusing on not breaking Grandma G. Force's egg baby. Okay?
Grandma G Force
Yes, Mindy. Quit yelling. You're gonna wake up the baby.
Fingerling
Yeah, keep the volume down.
Guy Raz
It seems to me like the gentleness training is beginning to wear off.
Thomas
Yes, Mindy? I have a question.
Fingerling
Quiet. What did I say about volume?
Thomas
Oh, sorry. Mindy, I have a question.
Mindy Thomas
Yes, Dennis?
Thomas
When I was a young schoolboy teacher had us drop eggs out of the window. And whose ever eggs survived got rewarded by getting to take the egg home and hide it under their bed pillow until eight months later when mother finds it because it's rotting and smells like a dead rat.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, that is not a question, Dennis.
Guy Raz
But that does actually remind me of something. Yeah, yeah. When I was in school, we used to experiment with dropping eggs by wrapping them in like cotton balls and wads of tape and bubble wrap, even a banana peel.
Thomas
Why?
Guy Raz
Well, because it was an experiment to help us learn about physics. You know, things like gravity and force and impact and how things fall.
Grandma G Force
Ah.
Guy Raz
And also engineering by designing ways to protect the eggs from breaking when they fell. And experimenting like this helped us to learn.
Fingerling
Or we could learn by just dropping Eggbert here on his little e. What?
Grandma G Force
And watch his little guts spill out all over the everywheres? The rules are you always drop a baby on its side. Everybody already knowed that. Come here, Egbert.
Dennis
Wait. What?
Mindy Thomas
This just reminded me of a new study I just read in the scientific journal Physics Communications.
Grandma G Force
You should not be reading people's journals. Mindy, that is private.
Mindy Thomas
No, no, hear me out.
Dennis
You.
Mindy Thomas
These researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology or MIT had a big wonder. They wondered whether an egg is less likely to break if it lands standing up on its head or lying down on its side when it falls.
Fingerling
Really? What were the results?
Mindy Thomas
Well, I could tell you. Yes, but I'd rather show you.
Guy Raz
Mindy, you're not going to.
Mindy Thomas
Now, where's little Egbert?
Thomas
Let's see.
Dennis
Uh.
Guy Raz
Where'd he go?
Dennis
Oh, no. He's missing.
Mindy Thomas
Huh, that's strange. He was just here.
Fingerling
Gee force. Where's the egg?
Grandma G Force
He's under my butt.
Dennis
What?
Guy Raz
You're sitting on the egg.
Thomas
Oh, I get it. Like a babysitter.
Fingerling
Gee force, get off the egg. You're not a chicken.
Grandma G Force
I do not know why chickens is the only ones that gets to sit on the egg.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, Grandma G Force, please. Pass me the egg, baby.
Grandma G Force
Fine.
Dennis
Ugh.
Grandma G Force
But don't break it, or else I gotta go back to gentleness school.
Mindy Thomas
Here you go, little eggbird. Thank you. So, as I was saying, the researchers at MIT wanted to find out if a falling egg is less likely to break when it lands on its top or bottom. Or on its.
Guy Raz
Wait a minute, Mindy, I think I read this, too. Is this the one where the researchers gathered 200 eggs and then crushed some of them in a device that allowed them to see the exact amount of force they needed to crack their shells?
Dennis
Yes, that's the one.
Mindy Thomas
And to study this, when they put the eggs in the device, they put some on their sides and some standing straight up.
Fingerling
What a tragic loss of so many innocent egg babies.
Mindy Thomas
Oh, it's okay. After the experiment, the researchers fed the broken egg babies.
Guy Raz
True story.
Grandma G Force
Okay, let's redo the experiment. Give me a little leg, Burt. Here, I'll put him in a headlock.
Thomas
What?
Grandma G Force
For science.
Mindy Thomas
Well, we don't need to perform that part of the experiment, Grandma. G Force.
Grandma G Force
We don't?
Mindy Thomas
No. The researchers discovered that it didn't matter whether the eggs were laying down on their sides or sitting straight up. The amount of force needed to crack their shells was all the same.
Fingerling
So me and G Force were both right?
Guy Raz
Well, I guess you could say both right. And you were also both wrong.
Grandma G Force
I do not know how to feel about that.
Mindy Thomas
So the next step of this experiment was to drop the eggs.
Guy Raz
And they dropped some of the eggs from teeny, tiny heights, like, only 8 millimeters or so.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, are you ready, Egbert? I'm just gonna drop you from a teeny, tiny height.
Fingerling
Oh, careful now. Mandy.
Mindy Thomas
Ready? One, two, three, and drop.
Fingerling
Hooray.
Grandma G Force
Okay, now give them here fingerling. Where's little pancake blankie?
Fingerling
Here you are, Egbert. Let's get you all wrapped up like a little breakfast baby.
Thomas
So, Mindy, did all the eggs that were dropped from the teeny tiny height survive? Is the trick just not to drop them too far?
Mindy Thomas
Actually, Dennis, some of the eggs dropped from the teeny tiny heights did break.
Dennis
What?
Grandma G Force
You could have broke my baby Eggbert. Why, I oughta.
Fingerling
Now, G force, be gentle.
Grandma G Force
Well, okay.
Dennis
Line.
Fingerling
Uh, the line is please do not break my egg. Thank you.
Grandma G Force
Please do not break my baby Eggbert. Else or I'll throw your TV into a river.
Guy Raz
Actually, Grandma GeForce. Mindy knew exactly what she wasn't gonna break Baby Egbert.
Grandma G Force
Whatever.
Thomas
How did Mindy know she wasn't gonna break Baby Egbert? What happened next in the science experiment?
Mindy Thomas
Well, next, the researchers dropped more eggs, but this time from much higher heights.
Thomas
And some survived?
Guy Raz
Well, not exactly.
Dennis
Ah.
Thomas
How many broke?
Mindy Thomas
Well, all of them.
Grandma G Force
Whoa.
Fingerling
Heavens.
Thomas
They all broke no matter which way they landed?
Mindy Thomas
Exactly. It didn't matter whether the eggs landed on their sides or on their pointy tops or bo high of a height, all the eggs broke.
Thomas
Well, that's not fair. How come some of the eggs dropped from the teeny tiny height survived?
Mindy Thomas
Well, that's a great question, Dennis.
Thomas
Thank you.
Guy Raz
The researchers wondered the same thing. So they went back and looked at video footage of all the eggs that survived the teeny tiny drop.
Mindy Thomas
And when they played back the video in slow motion, they discovered that the surviving eggs mostly shared one very important thing in common.
Thomas
They all liked the same movies.
Dennis
What? No.
Grandma G Force
Oh.
Mindy Thomas
What they discovered was that almost all of the surviving eggs.
Dennis
Yes.
Mindy Thomas
Were eggs that had fallen.
Dennis
Yes.
Mindy Thomas
Were eggs that had fallen on their sides.
Dennis
Boo.
Grandma G Force
Yeah, I was right. I'm the best at dropping eggs and taking names.
Fingerling
Well, Mandy and Mr. Razzie, you better have yourselves a good explanation for this.
Guy Raz
Actually do. Or the researchers who study this do at least. See, what they found when they took a slow close up look at the eggs as they fell was that when the falling eggs hit the hard surface, the ones that landed on their sides would bend a little bit, even squish a bit, in order to absorb or soften the impact.
Mindy Thomas
But when the eggs landed on their pointy or round ends, the shell at those points was much more stiff, less likely to bend and squish, and more likely to crack.
Grandma G Force
You know, that reminds me of that time Fingerling and me fell out the Window?
Guy Raz
You did.
Fingerling
It was a low window at a drive through restaurant.
Grandma G Force
Oh, Fingerling over here landed stiff as.
Fingerling
A board and G force went all floppy.
Grandma G Force
That's right, I did all floppy, just scanning guts.
Mindy Thomas
And what happened? Did one of you handle the fall better than the other?
Fingerling
Well, it wasn't so bad, except for when all my bones crunched up and popped out of my body.
Guy Raz
What?
Grandma G Force
But not me. Not old floppy, boneless G force. I just bounced a little and went right back to fall out of that window again.
Fingerling
Oh, that's right, you did.
Guy Raz
Well, what you describe with your bodies is the same thing that these scientists discovered with their egg drop experiment.
Mindy Thomas
When something or someone falls, the more stiff and rigid it is, the more likely it is to break.
Guy Raz
Whereas the more flexible something is, the less likely it is to break.
Mindy Thomas
In other words, for us humans, if we find ourselves falling, it's best to let our knees and elbows and bendy parts bend to better absorb the impact of the.
Guy Raz
Because being too stiff and rigid could cause some serious bone breakage or poppage.
Grandma G Force
Well, okay, that settles it. The best way to keep an egg baby from cracking its guts out is to land it on its side.
Mindy Thomas
Well, more often than not anyway.
Guy Raz
And only from very short distances.
Grandma G Force
Well, that's wonderful. Who's ready to throw baby eggbird off the ro. Okay, fine. We'll just throw fingerling off the roof.
Fingerling
Only if you put me back together again.
Guy Raz
Okay, Mindy, better go start your ice cream truck.
Mindy Thomas
Somebody's going back to gentleness training.
Dennis
Who? Wow in the World. We'll be right back. Grown ups.
Mindy Thomas
This message is for you.
Dennis
That's it, Back to the show. Wow in the World.
Mindy Thomas
Hi, thanks for calling wow in the World. After the beep, get ready to record.
Caller
Hello, Mindy. I'm Guy Ross. My name is Victor. I'm seven years old. I live in France, and my wow in the world is there are earthquakes every day, but they are so small that we can't even feel them. Hi, my name is Kylie and I'm six years old. I live in Silver Spring, Maryland. And my wow in the world is that giant clams have hundreds of little tiny pinhole eyes around the edge of their shell. The eyes can detect shadows and light for danger. Bye bye. Hi, my name is Killian and I'm from Raleigh, North Carolina. My biggest wow is that deserts don't have to be hot. In fact, the largest desert in the world is Antarctica. Hi, Mindy and Guy Ra. My name is Lily and I am from Allentown, Pennsylvania. In my land of is Gravity. Did you know that gravity is why the planets are round. Hi, my name is Parker and I'm from Santa Barbara, California and I'm 8 years old and my wow in the world is that a shrimp's heart is located in its head. Bye. Say hi to Reggie for me. Hi Guy Raz and Mindy. My name is sienna and I'm 10 years old and I'm from Davis, California. My super cool scientific fact is that snails can sleep for entire years.
Mindy Thomas
That's a long nap.
Caller
Bye Guy Raz and Mindy. I love your show. Hi Mindy and Guy Raz.
Mindy Thomas
Hey Dennis, Hi there.
Caller
My name is Sahana and I am 7 years old and I live in Fairfax Station, Virginia. My wow is that if you could drive straight up it would take about an hour to drive to space. I love your show.
Guy Raz
End of Messages.
Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
World is written by Mindy Thomas and Tom Van Kalkin with contributions from me, Guy Raz.
Mindy Thomas
Original sound design and music editing is done by Tyler Thole with help from our senior production director Jed Anderson. You can also hear Jed Anderson in the voices of Dennis, Thomas, Fingerling, Reggie and many of the other silly characters you hear on our show.
Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Dennis
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Podcast: Wow in the World
Hosts: Mindy Thomas, Guy Raz
Episode Air Date: August 25, 2025
In this lively, kid-friendly episode, Mindy and Guy explore the science of why eggs crack, inspired by the classic "egg drop" challenge. Centered around Grandma G Force's attempt to keep her "egg baby" unbroken after gentleness training, the crew dives into MIT research about how eggs react to being dropped and what this reveals about physics, engineering, and even human safety. As always, the show blends facts, laughs, and memorable moments, leaving listeners shouting "WOW!"
Relaxing the House for Grandma G Force:
Mindy and Guy describe transforming Grandma G Force’s chaotic “diaper house” into a calming, gentle environment to promote her post-gentleness training.
The Reason for Gentleness Training:
Grandma G Force was sent to gentleness school for driving a Zamboni recklessly and causing chaos.
Introducing the Egg Baby:
Grandma G Force comes home with an egg swaddled in a pancake-blanket—her “egg baby” assigned from gentleness school.
Classic School Egg Drop Experiments:
Guy and Dennis recall their own school experiments, discussing dropping eggs wrapped in various materials to prevent them from cracking.
MIT Study Overview:
Mindy introduces a real MIT study testing how eggs crack when dropped in different orientations.
Results Revealed:
"It didn’t matter whether the eggs were laying down…or sitting straight up. The amount of force needed to crack their shells was all the same.” – Mindy Thomas (14:58)
Tiny Drops vs. Big Drops:
Egg survival rates differ depending on the height dropped:
Solving the Mystery:
Researchers reviewed footage in slow motion and found surviving eggs had typically landed on their side, which allowed the shell to flex and absorb impact.
Eggs and Humans: Be Less Rigid!
Just like eggs, humans should stay flexible in a fall:
Grandma G Force’s Takeaway (Comic Relief):
On Gentleness Training:
On Egg Orientation Debate:
Connecting Egg Drops to Human Safety:
Humor Highlights:
This episode cleverly connects a familiar science experiment to the surprising research around how eggs break, using a blend of character-driven humor and scientific curiosity. Listeners learn not just about egg drop physics and material properties but also get a practical lesson on how flexibility helps absorb the shock of impact in both eggs and people. As always, the episode closes with a parade of fun “Wow in the World” facts sent in by kid listeners, inspiring everyone to keep being curious and gentle—just, perhaps, not with egg babies!