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Mindy Thomas
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Mindy Thomas
Proceeded.
Grandma G Force
3, 2, 1.
Guy Raz
The bubble for an adventure of magnificent proportion. What are we doing at the mall again, Mindy?
Mindy Thomas
We're going to the pet store. Remember? Grandma G Force and her squirrel need to pick out food for her squirrel feeders because the birds keep eating all their seeds.
Guy Raz
Uh huh.
Mindy Thomas
Now they said they would meet us out by the water fountain, but I don't see them anywhere. There she is. Looks like she brought Thomas Fingerling along too.
Grandma G Force
Okay, hand em here.
Mindy Thomas
What are you doing?
Grandma G Force
What do you mean? What does it look like we're doing?
Guy Raz
It looks like you're going for a swim in the mall fountain.
Mindy Thomas
Mandy, move out of the way. We're spelunking.
Guy Raz
Spelunking?
Grandma G Force
Yeah. Did you know people just throw their old pennies in this fountain here?
Guy Raz
Yep.
Mindy Thomas
This right here is my ice cream money.
Guy Raz
Found it all, Grandma GeForce. I thought we were here to get some Pet food for your new squirrel, not go fishing for pennies.
Mindy Thomas
We can do both.
Grandma G Force
Yeah, we brought the little fella along with us.
Mindy Thomas
Wait, not the.
Guy Raz
Please tell me you didn' squirrel to the mall.
Grandma G Force
Yep. He figured he should pick out his own food. He's right here in this bag. Uh oh.
Mindy Thomas
What is it, Fingerling?
Grandma G Force
He ain't here.
Guy Raz
What?
Mindy Thomas
You lost this squirrel?
Grandma G Force
No, I didn't lose him. He escaped.
Guy Raz
Are you saying that we have an escaped squirrel on the loose in the mall?
Grandma G Force
I guess.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, this little trip to the mall just became a squirrel search and rescue mission.
Guy Raz
If security finds that squirrel before we do, we'll be banned from the mall forever.
Grandma G Force
So?
Mindy Thomas
So that means no more penny diving for either of you.
Grandma G Force
Oh, no.
Mindy Thomas
We need to find that squirrel.
Guy Raz
And I think that might be a good place to start.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, come on, everyone. Quick. Follow that screech.
Guy Raz
Right behind you, Mindy.
Grandma G Force
Little squirrely squirrel. Where are you, buddy?
Guy Raz
Does anyone see it?
Mindy Thomas
No.
Dennis
Is that a squirrel?
Mindy Thomas
Oh, hey, Raz. Over there. Look.
Guy Raz
That's it.
Dennis
Squirrels aren't alive.
Listener Caller
In.
Guy Raz
Quickly, Mindy. After it.
Mindy Thomas
Run, run, run, run, run.
Guy Raz
Jump.
Mindy Thomas
Get back to your little furball.
Guy Raz
He ran into that store, Mindy.
Mindy Thomas
What store? Where? I don't see it.
Guy Raz
That one. Gamer Goblin.
Grandma G Force
Ooh, cool. Excuse me, ma'. Am, have you seen a woodland critter scurrying around here?
Mindy Thomas
Quick, follow it. Security's coming.
Gamer Goblin
Hello, welcome to the Gamer Goblin. How can I help you?
Mindy Thomas
Oh, hi. This is going to sound a little bit strange, but I don't suppose you've seen a squirrel in here, have you?
Guy Raz
Nah, ma'.
Mindy Thomas
Am.
Gamer Goblin
No squirrels. Although that dude over there is pretty squirrely looking.
Dennis
Oh, this game looks fun.
Guy Raz
Damn it.
Dennis
Oh, hi, Mindy. Hi, guy.
Grandma G Force
And me and GeForce.
Mindy Thomas
Ah, don't forget about us. Dennis. What are you doing here?
Dennis
Browsing. What are you doing here, Lost Squirrel? Oh, sure.
Mindy Thomas
Whoa.
Guy Raz
Mindy, check this out.
Mindy Thomas
What is it?
Guy Raz
Gamer Grid.
Gamer Goblin
Oh, yeah, Gamer Grid. That one just came in this morning. It's a super rad virtual reality game. The graphics are killer. Totally feels like real life, dude.
Dennis
Ooh, virtual reality reality.
Guy Raz
Mindy, I've heard about this game.
Mindy Thomas
Really? I thought the only games you played were those spot the difference puzzle games on your phone.
Guy Raz
This game's different, Mindy. It's based on a brain study from researchers at Western University in Canada.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, now that makes sense.
Guy Raz
I was reading about it just this morning. They wanted to find out if there was any differences between the brains of gamers and non gamers. And so each of the levels In Gamer grid is based on one of the tests that they got their subject to do for the study.
Mindy Thomas
W. That sounds Bunker balls. Hey, gamer goblin, can we try this out?
Gamer Goblin
For sure. We've got a demo ready to go for you.
Guy Raz
I don't know, Mindy. We really should be trying to find that lost squirrel.
Mindy Thomas
Oh, come on. The squirrel's still gonna be lost once we finish the game. Anything for gaming.
Gamer Goblin
Don't worry. It's a super short demo. It's only like three levels. You'll all be in and out in like, 15 minutes tops.
Mindy Thomas
Come on, just a quick. A quick 15 minute virtual reality adventure.
Guy Raz
Okay, fine, I'll give it a try.
Mindy Thomas
Hey, Grandma. G Force Fingerling. Dennis, you in? No. Want to play a semi educational video game based on a real world scientific study about the differences in cognitive abilities between gamers and non gamers?
Grandma G Force
You had me at cognitive abilities.
Dennis
And you had me at Dennis.
Mindy Thomas
Great. We're all in. Ms. Video Game Store Person.
Gamer Goblin
Radical. Please put on these VR headsets and I'll get the game booted up for you.
Grandma G Force
Okie dokie.
Dennis
Yay.
Grandma G Force
All right, there we go.
Mindy Thomas
I can't see nothing. Me neither.
Dennis
Mine's all dark.
Mindy Thomas
That's because she hasn't started the game yet.
Gamer Goblin
Okay, now the point of this game is, like, cooperation. You have to work together to finish the levels. You think you guys can, like, do that?
Dennis
Yeah.
Gamer Goblin
Sweet. Here we go.
Grandma G Force
Wow. Would you look at that?
Mindy Thomas
Yeah. This is weird.
Dennis
Where are we?
Guy Raz
I think we're inside the video game.
Grandma G Force
Whoa.
Mindy Thomas
But it feels so realistic.
Guy Raz
I'll say. It feels like I'm actually standing in a giant, empty black room, Mindy.
Dennis
Yeah, it even has its own echo. Look. Echo, echo.
Mindy Thomas
Wow.
Gamer Goblin
Testing, testing. Can you dudes, like, hear me? I'm talking to you through the game's chat function.
Dennis
Oh, hey, miss Video game Star Person.
Mindy Thomas
Hey.
Gamer Goblin
So we have a little bit of an issue.
Guy Raz
I don't like the sound of that.
Gamer Goblin
It looks like some sort of, like, rodent chewed through the electrical cabling in the store right when the game was loading up.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh, that's not good.
Guy Raz
The squirrel.
Dennis
Oh, no. And let me guess. Now we're stuck in the game.
Gamer Goblin
Uh, what?
Mindy Thomas
I'm sorry, what is anybody talking about? What do you mean we're stuck in the game?
Dennis
It's like a superhero origin story, right? As the game was loading, a squirrel short circuited the programming, and now we're all scared. Stuck inside.
Mindy Thomas
What?
Gamer Goblin
No, you can just take off the headsets, like, anytime you want.
Dennis
Ah, well, that's not Very dramatic.
Gamer Goblin
Okay, fine.
Mindy Thomas
Oh, no.
Gamer Goblin
Something happened and now you're all stuck in virtual reality.
Mindy Thomas
Oh boy.
Dennis
And now the only way out is to win the game, right?
Guy Raz
Yeah.
Gamer Goblin
If you complete the game, it should reset the database and the code and stuff and I'll be able to get.
Mindy Thomas
You out of there.
Dennis
Oh, goodness. The stakes are so high.
Mindy Thomas
I know, right?
Guy Raz
We have to finish the whole game.
Gamer Goblin
Uh, yeah. To begin, everyone needs to say start game.
Guy Raz
Okay, fine. Start game.
Gamer Goblin
See you dudes on the other side.
Mindy Thomas
Welcome to Gamer Grid Level 1. Memory Maze.
Guy Raz
Ooh, memory maze.
Mindy Thomas
Hey, Roz, look over there. You see that? Yeah.
Guy Raz
It looks like a giant five by five grid of lights.
Mindy Thomas
Uh, yeah. Look, the instructions are written down here. It says each of those lights is a different color and they're going to come up in a specific order. Your job will be to repeat back the order in which the colors came up. Huh?
Dennis
Oh, I get it. It's like Simon says.
Mindy Thomas
Hey, Fingerling.
Grandma G Force
What?
Mindy Thomas
Don't you play that Simon says video game all the time?
Grandma G Force
I don't know.
Guy Raz
Did Simon say this must be the level? That's based on the short term memory test that researchers from Western University did on gamers.
Mindy Thomas
Really?
Guy Raz
Yeah. The researcher found that gamers performed significantly better in memory challenges like this one than non gamers.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh, you hear that, Fingerling? Looks like all those hours of Simon says are finally gonna pay off.
Grandma G Force
Yeah, I always knew they would.
Dennis
So how do you start the level?
Grandma G Force
Ahem. Simon says start.
Guy Raz
I guess like that.
Grandma G Force
Okay, now let's see. Looks like red, blue, blue, yellow, green, green, green, red, blue.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, Fingerling, now all you have to do is repeat those colors back again.
Guy Raz
You got this, Thomas Fingerling.
Mindy Thomas
Yeah. You got this.
Grandma G Force
Alrighty. Let's see here. There was red, blue, blue, yellow, green, green, green. Again, red and blue.
Mindy Thomas
Winner.
Guy Raz
Level complete.
Mindy Thomas
Way to go, Fingerling. You made it through level one.
Guy Raz
I didn't doubt you for a second.
Mindy Thomas
I did. Level two Loading.
Guy Raz
Welcome to level two.
Dennis
Odd one out. Is this one about sorting socks or something? Because I have a lot of odd socks, but I'm not very good at sorting them, so someone else is going to have to do this level.
Mindy Thomas
I don't think this has anything to do with socks, Dennis.
Guy Raz
Ah, I bet this is the level that's based on the part of the study that tested reasoning skills. Look, Mindy, do you see those five doors in front of you?
Mindy Thomas
Yeah. It looks like each of them has a picture on it.
Guy Raz
Right? And if this is anything like that brain study, one of those pictures won' along with the rest, I bet we have to go through the door that has the picture on it, which is the odd one out.
Mindy Thomas
Wait, isn't this sort of like those spot the difference puzzle games that you do before you go to bed at night, Guy Raz?
Guy Raz
You're right, Mindy.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, so why don't you take the lead with this one?
Guy Raz
Good idea, Mindy. Okay, let's see here. What pictures do we have on the doors here?
Dennis
This one over here has a red triangle.
Grandma G Force
And I see a blue diamond on this one.
Mindy Thomas
Ooh. That middle door has a purple circle on it. And this one has a green triangle.
Guy Raz
And that far door has a blue circle.
Mindy Thomas
Um, okay, think, Guy Raz, think. Which one is the odd one out?
Grandma G Force
Hmm.
Guy Raz
Okay, let's see. Triangle, diamond, circle, triangle circle.
Dennis
Oh, is it the colors? Maybe we have to go through the green door.
Grandma G Force
Why would we have to go through the green door?
Dennis
Because I like green.
Guy Raz
Oh, I don't think it's that.
Mindy Thomas
Well, could it be the shape?
Guy Raz
Maybe they're all different, apart from. Wait, I've got it.
Grandma G Force
You do?
Guy Raz
Yes, that's it. It's the diamond door.
Mindy Thomas
Are you sure, Guy Raz?
Guy Raz
Yes, look, there are two circles and two triangles, but only one diamond. That's definitely the odd one out.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, if you say so, Grandma G Force, kick in that door with a diamond on it. With pleasure. Winner, level complete. You did it, Guy Raz. You got it right.
Guy Raz
Yeah.
Mindy Thomas
Now we get to move on to level three. Level three.
Guy Raz
Think fast. Think fast.
Mindy Thomas
Ah.
Guy Raz
What was that?
Mindy Thomas
Oof.
Dennis
Oh, Mandy, something just hit me.
Grandma G Force
Ha ha. Ooh.
Mindy Thomas
What is going on?
Guy Raz
I think this is the final level.
Mindy Thomas
Mindy, what did that robot say that this level was called?
Grandma G Force
I believe she said it was called Think Fast.
Guy Raz
This must be the level to do with reaction times.
Dennis
What are you talking about, Guy Raz?
Guy Raz
In the study, researchers found that gamers had much faster reaction times and processing speeds than those that didn't play video games.
Mindy Thomas
Processing speeds? What does that mean?
Guy Raz
Yeah, well, processing speeds are how long it takes your brain to notice something, understand what it is, and decide what to do, and then send a message to your body to react.
Mindy Thomas
Ah. Like these balls that are coming at us, how fast it takes for us to notice that it's a ball, see it coming towards us, and then, ah, jump to dodge it. So close.
Guy Raz
Exactly. Just like a sprinter can train to run faster, your brain can train to react faster too.
Mindy Thomas
Ha ha. Dodged another one.
Guy Raz
So what do we have to do to complete this level?
Mindy Thomas
Well, it might have something to do with that big timer up on the wall there.
Dennis
Oh, look, it's Counting down from 15. 14, 13, 12, 11.
Mindy Thomas
Dennis. Boy.
Dennis
Oh, now it says 15 again. 14.
Guy Raz
Just reset.
Mindy Thomas
I think all you need to do is avoid getting hit by any balls for 15.
Guy Raz
I think you're right, Mindy.
Mindy Thomas
Easy.
Dennis
Yeah, this is gonna be easy. Easy peasy.
Guy Raz
Hmm, this might be harder than we thought, Mindy.
Mindy Thomas
Okay, everyone focus. Use those gamer reactions to dodge those balls.
Grandma G Force
You got it, Mandy.
Mindy Thomas
Don't tell me what to do. And jump.
Guy Raz
Fingerling, watch out. Duck.
Grandma G Force
I got it. Can't catch me, Dennis.
Mindy Thomas
Watch out.
Dennis
I see it, I see it. Dodge that ball like a pro.
Mindy Thomas
Good job. Hey, guy, right there. Jump.
Guy Raz
Whoa, that was a close one.
Mindy Thomas
We're almost there, everyone. Just five more seconds.
Guy Raz
Mindy, watch out, watch out. Game over.
Mindy Thomas
Congratulations on Indy.
Guy Raz
We did it.
Mindy Thomas
We beat the game.
Gamer Goblin
All right, little digi dudes. I knew you could do it.
Grandma G Force
Can we leave now, please?
Mindy Thomas
Yeah, get me out of here. Game goblin.
Gamer Goblin
Okay, okay, let me just run the extraction protocol and hold on, this might tickle a little.
Mindy Thomas
That's weird.
Gamer Goblin
Welcome back, everyone. Did you like, dig the game?
Dennis
How long were we gone for? A year, two years? Three years? What year is it?
Gamer Goblin
Relax, little dude. It's only been like 15 minutes.
Dennis
Oh, well, thanks to our gaming skills, we were able to beat the machine and get out of there.
Guy Raz
Yeah, who knew that playing video games would actually come in handy?
Mindy Thomas
Yeah, short term memory, problem solving skills.
Grandma G Force
Don't forget about all them digital dodgeballs.
Guy Raz
That's right, the faster reaction times and processing skills.
Dennis
Now where's that squirrel who chewed through the wires?
Gamer Goblin
Oh, that reminds me. I have some like, stellar news for you.
Mindy Thomas
What?
Gamer Goblin
I made a new friend.
Guy Raz
The squirrel.
Grandma G Force
There he is. I knew he'd come back.
Mindy Thomas
No, you did not.
Grandma G Force
Aw, come here, little squirrel. That's a good squirrel.
Gamer Goblin
Yeah, little dude's been chilling here with me for the last 10 minutes.
Grandma G Force
Security, open up. We know you're hiding rodents in there.
Gamer Goblin
So I locked the door to the.
Grandma G Force
Store, give us the squirrel and then let us play a cool game.
Mindy Thomas
Oh no.
Dennis
What are we gonna do?
Mindy Thomas
I'll hold em off. Hope they like penny sandwiches.
Gamer Goblin
Don't worry, I'll go deal with security while you all head out the back door. Okay?
Guy Raz
Really? You do that for us?
Mindy Thomas
Duh.
Gamer Goblin
A gamer in need is a friend. Indeed.
Grandma G Force
We've got you surrounded. And we wanna play a retro 2D platformer.
Dennis
Yeah, with bean bag chairs and chat.
Gamer Goblin
Now get out of here, squirrel dude. Go live a full life.
Mindy Thomas
We will Video game goblin. We will.
Grandma G Force
All right, let's go.
Dennis
Right behind you, Tommy.
Gamer Goblin
Right on.
Mindy Thomas
Wow in the World. We'll be right back. Grown ups. This message is for you. That's it. Back to the show. Wow in the world. Hi, thanks for calling wow in the World. After the beep, get ready to record.
Listener Caller
Hi Mindy and Guy Ross. My name's Cora and I'm from Louisville, Kentucky. And my wow in the world is that Australia's great Barrier Reef can be seen from space. Bye. Say hi to Reggie, Thomas Fingerling, Grandma G Force and Dennis for me. Love your show.
Mindy Thomas
Oh, snipe.
Dennis
Bye.
Listener Caller
Hi, Mindy and Guy Raz. I'm Adele and I am nine years old. I live in Arnold, Maryland. My wow in the world is that sweat actually is cooling you down. Bye. Hi, Mindy and Guy Raz. My name is Julian and I'm from Lake Forest, Orange County. And my wow in the world is that if you measure from the ocean floor, Mauna Kea is taller than Mount Everest by nearly a mile. In total, Mauna Kea is 10,210 meters tall and Mount Everest is 8,848 meters tall. Hi Mindy and Guy Raz. My name is Nev and I live in Pasadena, California. And my wow is that Goliath tarantula is the size of a dinner plate. Hi Mindy and Guy Ross. My wow that if an earthquake happens on Mars, it's called a marsquake. Bye. Hi Mindy and Guy Raz. My name's Elliot and I live in Edmonton, Canada. And my wow in the world is that butterflies taste with their feet. Hi Reggie and Dennis and Thomas Fingerling and Grandma D Force.
Dennis
Howdy.
Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
World is written by Mindy Thomas and Tom Van Kelkin with contributions from Me Guy Raz.
Mindy Thomas
Original sound design and music editing is done by Tyler Thole with help from our senior Production Director Jed Anderson. You can also hear Jed Anderson in the voices of Dennis, Thomas, Fingerling, Reggie and many of the other silly characters you hear on our show. This episode also features the voice talents of Lizzie Froehlich. Thanks Lizzie.
Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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Guy Raz
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Mindy Thomas
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In this engaging, science-filled episode of Wow in the World, hosts Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz, joined as always by their quirky crew, find themselves on a simple mall trip that turns into a wild squirrel chase—quickly evolving into a virtual adventure inside “Gamer Grid,” a new VR video game inspired by real cognitive science research. Along the way, they teach listeners about memory, pattern recognition, problem-solving, and reaction skills, all while showcasing the surprising benefits of video games on the brain. The episode balances humor, action, and clear explanations about scientific concepts, perfect for kids and their grown-ups.
| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------|---------------| | Squirrel chaos at mall begins | 02:01 | | Entry into Gamer Goblin & VR set-up | 05:00 | | Explanation of science-backed game design | 06:00–06:28 | | Team gets “trapped” in VR | 09:03–09:44 | | Level 1: Memory Maze | 10:36–12:28 | | Level 2: Odd One Out | 12:39–14:48 | | Level 3: Think Fast | 14:53–17:25 | | Science recap & real-world benefits | 18:25–18:39 | | Squirrel reunited & security evasion | 19:44–19:50 |
This episode of Wow in the World expertly blends fun, adventure, and educational concepts to answer: Are video games good for your brain? The answer, in the hands of Mindy, Guy, and their wild crew, is a resounding "wow!" The show breaks down real research on cognitive gains from gaming through creative storytelling, while reinforcing teamwork, fast thinking, and problem-solving.
Final quote:
Gamer Goblin: “A gamer in need is a friend. Indeed.” ([19:27])
For more science adventures and to support curiosity in young listeners, tune in Mondays for new episodes of Wow in the World!