Rat-A-Tat Tickle Attack: Do Rats Even Like Being Tickled? (3/17/25)

Summary

Wow in the World: Episode Summary – "Rat-A-Tat Tickle Attack: Do Rats Even Like Being Tickled?"

Introduction: A Whimsical Rat Fishing Adventure [00:00 – 02:57]

The episode begins with a playful skit featuring hosts Mindy Thomas and Guy Raz engaging in an imaginative rooftop fishing expedition aimed at catching rats. Mindy, perched atop her "gingerbread mansion," humorously prepares an unconventional bait— a combination of cheese pizza and peanut butter—intended to lure unsuspecting rats.

Mindy Thomas kicks off the adventure at [00:00], saying:

“Hey, Wowzer fams. Mindy here. And before we start the show, we know that March is known for madness, but why not mystery and mischief too?”

As the skit unfolds, Guy Raz is unexpectedly tickled by the rats they attract, leading to a series of comedic interactions. At [02:57], Guy exclaims in surprise:

“Ow. What was that? Hit me right in the head.”

The Ticklish Truth: Exploring Rat Behavior [06:03 – 17:08]

Transitioning from humor to science, the hosts delve into a fascinating study from the University of Bristol led by Professor Emma Robinson, which investigates whether rats enjoy being tickled. This segment is introduced at [07:38], where Dennis summarizes:

“You see, there are millions of tiny sensors under your skin called nerve endings. And when your skin is touched, those nerve endings send signals to the parts of your brain that are responsible for making sense of touch and feeling.”

Mindy elaborates on the study’s methodology at [09:25]:

“Yeah, it came from the University of Bristol in England. And in that study, a team of researchers led by Professor Emma Robinson wanted to find out once and for all, do rats like to be tickled?”

The researchers recreated natural tickling environments to observe rat reactions. They discovered that rats emit ultrasonic giggles when tickled—sounds humans cannot hear without specialized equipment. Mindy explains at [10:32]:

“Actually, Dennis, rat laughter cannot be heard by the human ear. You can tickle those rats all day long, but you'll never be able to hear them with your naked ear, because rats laugh at a frequency far higher than human ears can detect.”

Using high-frequency ultrasonic headsets, researchers translated these giggles into audible sounds, revealing that rats who laughed more frequently also showed higher enjoyment of the tickling. Dennis highlights this correlation at [15:29]:

“So this would suggest that the rats who laughed the most also enjoyed being tickled the most.”

However, not all rats responded positively. Some exhibited less laughter and showed signs of discomfort, indicating that rat responses to tickling are more honest compared to humans. Mindy summarizes the findings at [16:27]:

“And if they're not, they won't. Whereas in humans, it seems to be much more involuntary. We might laugh whether we like it or not.”

The Scientific Significance: Rats as Research Heroes [17:08 – 18:32]

The discussion shifts to the broader impact of such studies. Mindy emphasizes the invaluable role rats play in scientific research:

“Actually, Dennis, rats and other rodents have been helping scientists to solve the world's problems for over 150 years.”

Dennis adds at [17:31]:

“And because there are so many similarities between the bodies and brains of rats and of humans, well, rats have played a pretty important role in helping scientists to develop medicines and to understand the human brain and the way it behaves.”

Mindy further notes the versatility of rats in research, including their presence on the International Space Station:

“Oh, and I just thought of another thing. Even NASA has rats living aboard the International Space Station. They're working to help scientists better understand life in microgravity.”

Conclusion: Understanding Rat Emotions and Human Comparisons [18:32 – 19:46]

Wrapping up the scientific exploration, the hosts reflect on how this research enhances our understanding of rat emotions and behaviors. Mindy concludes at [18:15]:

“Okay, okay. So all of this is to say, Dennis, that this experiment is a step in helping scientists to understand when a rat is experiencing true happiness and when it's not.”

Guy Raz humorously ties back to their earlier skit:

“Yeah, why was I laughing?” “We might laugh whether we like it or not,” responds Mindy, highlighting the difference between human and rat responses to tickling.

Key Takeaways:

• Rats do emit ultrasonic giggles when tickled, indicating positive emotions.
• Not all rats enjoy being tickled, mirroring the diversity of responses seen in humans.
• Studies on rat behavior provide critical insights into neuroscience and psychology, underscoring rats' role as essential research subjects.
• Understanding rat emotions can lead to better scientific practices and deeper comprehension of mammalian brain functions.

Notable Quotes:

• Mindy Thomas [09:15]: “Exactly.”
• Guy Raz [15:10]: “Wow.”
• Dennis [17:08]: “So if they're enjoying themselves, they'll laugh.”

This episode blends humor with scientific inquiry, offering listeners both entertainment and educational insights into the intriguing world of rat behavior and their contributions to scientific advancements.

Transcript

[Mindy Thomas]

Hey, Wowzer fams. Mindy here. And before we start the show, we know that March is known for madness, but why not mystery and mischief too? We've pulled some of our favorite mystery episodes from wow in the World. Plus a special bite sized episode with some real mysteries from real kids now playing on the who Win Wow. Podcast feed. And what's a little mystery without a little bit of mischief? Well, we've sent out a pigeon dropping to all of our world organization of wowzer members with ideas for how you can add a little mischief and spread a little wow to the people in your life. So, members of the wow, be sure to check your mailboxes and if you're not a member yet, well, we've also got some fun ideas for how you can add a little mystery and mischief to your month too. Visit tinkercast.com mystery for mysterious episodes, mischievous activities, and more. Wow. That's it. And now back to the show.

[Guy Raz]

Proceeded. Three, two, one. Mission. Get ready for an adventure of magnificent proportion. I don't know what you've been told we're in a golden age so many discoveries that are jumping off the page While in the world wow. In the world W In the world wow. In the. Houston.

[Mindy Thomas]

Ah, what a beautiful day for fishing, huh, Reg? Just you and me, fishing pole, sitting here on the roof of my gingerbread mansion. Look, I can almost touch the sun.

[Dennis]

Wow.

[Mindy Thomas]

Oh. Okay, Air Reg, I'm gonna go ahead and thread the line. And while I'm doing that, I need you to attach the bait. What do you mean? What bait? I've got a whole basket over here. Look, I've got some cheese, some cheese pizza, some peanut butter. Well, just take an entire cheese pizza right here, smother it in peanut butter, and then shove it into this hot dog bunny. No rat is going to be able to resist what's on the end of this fishing line, that's for sure. Yeah, I did say rat. You didn't think I was gonna fish for fish, did you, Reggie? My moat is bone dry down there. Okay, Reg, on the count of three. One, two, three.

[Guy Raz]

Ow. What was that? Hit me right in the head.

[Mindy Thomas]

And now we wait.

[Guy Raz]

Ooh. It's a peanut butter cheese pizza dog from the sky. Well, don't mind if I do. How?

[Mindy Thomas]

Reggie, stop nibbling on the bait. It's gotta be a rat. I can feel it.

[Guy Raz]

So good.

[Mindy Thomas]

Oh, baby. This is gonna be a real lunker, huh?

[Guy Raz]

Something fishy about this peanut butter cheese pizza dog, but I can't quite wait for it. Wait for it. Hey, what's this? Fishing line. No. Ow. What in the. Oh. Hi, Mindy, Dennis. Hi, Reggie. What are you two doing up here? Fishing. Uh, how do you expect to catch any fish? The moat is bone dry.

[Mindy Thomas]

Ugh. Can't you see I'm up here fishing for rats?

[Guy Raz]

Ow. Again.

[Dennis]

Hey, Mindy.

[Mindy Thomas]

Hey, Guy. Razzie, Dennis.

[Guy Raz]

Hi, Reggie.

[Dennis]

What are you all doing on the roof of the gingerbread house?

[Guy Raz]

It's a mansion.

[Dennis]

Oh, rice. Sorry, sorry. What are you doing on the roof of your gingerbread mansion? I'm not sure those pretzel rod beans.

[Guy Raz]

Are gonna be able to withstand.

[Mindy Thomas]

Quick, Reggie, go to the bait basket and get the kale.

[Guy Raz]

Mindy, rats won't like kale. The only things that like kale are. Oh, I get it. It's for Guy Raz.

[Dennis]

Also, I think you're getting a little too close to the sun up there.

[Mindy Thomas]

There we go.

[Dennis]

Why don't you come down to the ground where it's a little. Hey. Kale.

[Mindy Thomas]

That's it, Guy Raz. Go ahead, take a bite. Okay. Wait for it.

[Dennis]

That's some fresh kale. What in the.

[Guy Raz]

Oh.

[Mindy Thomas]

Hey, buddy.

[Guy Raz]

Wow, Minty. Look at that. You caught a freshwater Guy Raz. What is he, like, 70 inches? Gotta be a record. Here, take my picture with him.

[Dennis]

What?

[Guy Raz]

Hold still, you rascal.

[Mindy Thomas]

Say cheese.

[Guy Raz]

Cheese.

[Dennis]

Put me down, Dennis.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, wait, Reggie. Give me that. I'm gonna take a selfie. Cheese.

[Mindy Thomas]

Wait, do you hear that?

[Guy Raz]

What is that? Could it be?

[Dennis]

Huh?

[Guy Raz]

Oh, I hear it now. It's like a rumbling, squeaking, teeny, tiny pawing sound. Almost like a chargin hoard of, uh. Oh. What? Rats. Rats.

[Dennis]

They must have heard you say cheese.

[Guy Raz]

What? Rats love selfies. And now they're all running up the.

[Mindy Thomas]

Sides of my gingerbread mansion. I don't need a fishing pole after all.

[Guy Raz]

You wanted them up here.

[Mindy Thomas]

Whoa. This was not how I expected to catch my rats today. That's for sure.

[Guy Raz]

Mindy. Hi, Ra.

[Mindy Thomas]

Hey.

[Guy Raz]

Hi. You're all welcome. A.J. ah. They're everywhere.

[Dennis]

In the dog.

[Guy Raz]

They're tickling me. Stop. Please make it stop.

[Mindy Thomas]

Okay, okay, I think I can solve this. Reggie, hand me my whistle. Yep.

[Guy Raz]

Thank you. Oh, thank goodness.

[Mindy Thomas]

Wait, what was that you said, Dennis?

[Guy Raz]

Huh? I said, thank goodness.

[Mindy Thomas]

No, the other thing. When the rats were tickling you.

[Guy Raz]

Oh. I said, ah. Stop. Please make it stop. Help.

[Mindy Thomas]

Hmm. But you were laughing.

[Guy Raz]

So? That doesn't mean I was enjoying myself. I was attacked.

[Mindy Thomas]

Huh? You were attacked with tickles, which made you laugh.

[Guy Raz]

I was freaked out on the inside.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, how does that Work. Wait.

[Dennis]

I think I know what was going on, Mindy.

[Guy Raz]

You do?

[Dennis]

Yes. You see, there are millions of tiny sensors under your skin called nerve endings. And when your skin is touched, those nerve endings send signal to the parts of your brain that are responsible for making sense of touch and feeling. And together, those parts of your brain are essentially what create the sensation you're feeling. Dennis.

[Guy Raz]

Okay.

[Mindy Thomas]

Ah, so, for example, if I were to, say, touch a hot stove or, you know, the sun, those nerve endings would alert my brain, and my brain would send messages back to my hand, notifying it that I have touched something hot and that I should probably expect a bad feeling.

[Dennis]

Well, yes. And if you were being tickled, those two parts of your brain would tell you to expect a tickling sensation, which could be good.

[Guy Raz]

Good? No, it was torture.

[Dennis]

Or it could feel like torture.

[Mindy Thomas]

So if the rat's tickling Dennis made Dennis feel like he was being tortured, then why was he laughing?

[Guy Raz]

Yeah, why was I laughing?

[Dennis]

Well, scientists still don't know for sure, but some scientists who study how humans have evolved, and other scientists who study the brain believe that it could be a kind of involuntary defense mechanism.

[Mindy Thomas]

Oh, like your body's way of chilling out a tense situation.

[Dennis]

Exactly.

[Mindy Thomas]

You know, all of this reminds me of a new scientific study that I just read about rats in tickling.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, what a coincidence.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, it came from the University of Bristol in England. And in that study, a team of researchers led by Professor Emma Robinson wanted to find out once and for all, do rats like to be tickled?

[Dennis]

Oh, yeah. I think I saw something about this study in the scientific journal Current Biology.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yep, that's the one.

[Guy Raz]

You two read the strangest stuff.

[Dennis]

In fact, scientists have known for a few years now that rats are not.

[Mindy Thomas]

Only ticklish, but that they giggle when they're being tickled.

[Guy Raz]

Now, giggling rats. Well, I've got to hear this. Come here, rats. Here, ratty ratties. Come on, laugh now. Coochie coochie coo.

[Mindy Thomas]

Actually, Dennis, rat laughter cannot be heard by the human ear.

[Guy Raz]

Ah, but I want to hear it.

[Dennis]

Mindy's right, Dennis. You can tickle those rats all day long, but you'll never be able to hear them with your naked ear, because rats laugh at a frequency far higher than human ears can detect.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, rats, unless you're wearing a pair of these high frequency ultrasonic hearing headsets I invented.

[Guy Raz]

Ooh, tech accessories. Let me see, let me see, let me see. Oh, uh, do you have them in any other colors?

[Dennis]

Uh, Mindy, these high frequency headsets look like old hamburger Buns attached to earmuffs. And what's with all this loose wiring hanging off of them?

[Mindy Thomas]

Get careful.

[Dennis]

Was that a spark?

[Mindy Thomas]

That was the complainy pants detector. And the next person to criticize my high frequency hearing headsets gets mildly zapped.

[Guy Raz]

Uh, nevermind. I like them now.

[Mindy Thomas]

Here you go, Dennis. A pair for you. And a pair for you, Reggie. Although I do have to say, you already have excellent hearing.

[Dennis]

So, Mindy, were Professor Robinson and her team able to hear the rats giggling?

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, yeah.

[Guy Raz]

Really?

[Mindy Thomas]

I mean, sort of. See, they were able to record the rats ultrasonic or high frequency laughter on a special device that would then play the sounds back to the researchers at a frequency that they could hear with their human ears.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, boy, I can't wait to hear rat giggles. Oh, right. Reggie's got a point. Wasn't there a question as to whether or not rats actually like being tickled? I mean, that kind of seems important.

[Dennis]

Yeah. How were Professor Robinson and her team able to test it?

[Mindy Thomas]

Oh, ok. So, for this experiment, the researchers wanted to recreate the kind of tickling atmosphere that the rats would experience naturally when playing with other rats.

[Dennis]

And what kind of atmosphere is that?

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, just take a look at our rooftop rats here.

[Dennis]

It looks like they're roughhousing and tumbling around.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, that little rat just jumped on the big rat's back.

[Dennis]

Whoa. And now the big rat is flipping around to get the little rat off. And.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, now the little rat is on the big rat belly.

[Dennis]

And look at their little paws. They're using them to tickle each other.

[Mindy Thomas]

Look. And listen.

[Guy Raz]

I hear something.

[Mindy Thomas]

Is that tickling?

[Guy Raz]

Oh, my gosh, it's so cute. I'm going in. Come here. Come here, little Minnie. No, McDonald. Tickle bite, tickle by tickle. Bye.

[Dennis]

And guessing that the researchers did not join in the fun.

[Mindy Thomas]

Actually, they did, Guy Raz.

[Dennis]

What?

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, see, in recreating this natural tickling environment in the lab, the researchers had to play the role of the other rat.

[Dennis]

Of course, because when testing the rat giggles, they couldn't have too many rats or they wouldn't know which rat the giggles were coming from.

[Mindy Thomas]

Exact oritos, Guy Raz. The researchers experimented with one rat at a time. So in the spirit of anything for science, they had to tickle the rats themselves.

[Dennis]

Anything for science.

[Mindy Thomas]

And while they were doing this, they took notes on the rat's behavior and reaction to the tickling. You know, for example, if the rat tried to play with the tickling hand.

[Guy Raz]

Or Mindy, Guy, look, I think they like me. They're playing with my hand. Like it's one of them. Look out. I'm gonna get ya. Ooh. Back for more, huh?

[Mindy Thomas]

Or if the rat kept coming back for more, or even if it just tried to get away from the researcher's hand altogether.

[Dennis]

So just to make sure I'm getting this right, you're saying that the researchers would tickle a rat?

[Guy Raz]

Tickle, tickle, tickle.

[Mindy Thomas]

Uh huh.

[Dennis]

And while they were tickling that rat, they'd be recording the rat's high frequency laughter, or vocalizations on a special recorder that would then translate it into a sound frequency that they could hear with their own ears.

[Mindy Thomas]

You know it.

[Dennis]

Huh.

[Mindy Thomas]

And when they played these giggles back, they compared them to what they observed while watching the rats.

[Dennis]

And what did they discover?

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, they discovered that the rats who giggled the most also seemed to have the most positive experience. Experience of being tickled.

[Guy Raz]

Wow.

[Mindy Thomas]

And those were the rats that kept coming back for more.

[Guy Raz]

Yo, Again. Well, okay. Tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle, tickle.

[Mindy Thomas]

They kept attacking the researcher's hand with what they called joy jumps.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, did you see that? It jumped.

[Mindy Thomas]

These rats were clearly into it.

[Dennis]

So this would suggest that the rats who laughed the most also enjoyed being tickled the most.

[Mindy Thomas]

You got it. The researchers also found that not all rats enjoyed being tickled, at least not all of the time.

[Guy Raz]

Huh.

[Dennis]

Some of the rats were clearly not in the mood to be tickled.

[Mindy Thomas]

That's what I'm saying. The researchers found that the rats who showed the least positive experiences were also the rats least likely to giggle when they were being tickled.

[Guy Raz]

Mindy, this rat won't laugh when I tickle it. I think it's broken.

[Dennis]

That rat's not broken, Dennis.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yeah, it's just not in the mood to be tickled.

[Guy Raz]

Oh. Like me from before, when the rats were tickling me and I didn't like it. I get it.

[Dennis]

So, Mindy, does this research suggest that rats only laugh when they're enjoying themselves?

[Guy Raz]

Oh, good question. Cause remember before, Mindy, when I was being tickled and I didn't want to be, but I was still laughing? Do rats do that? Should I not be tickling them?

[Mindy Thomas]

Uh, well, Professor Robinson and her team found that rats have a much more honest response to tickling than humans do.

[Guy Raz]

Oh, that's good.

[Dennis]

So if they're enjoying themselves, they'll laugh.

[Mindy Thomas]

And if they're not, they won't. Whereas in humans, it seems to be much more involuntary. We might laugh whether we like it or not.

[Dennis]

I see.

[Guy Raz]

Hey, Mindy.

[Mindy Thomas]

Yes, Dennis?

[Guy Raz]

I have a question. Why are researchers tickling rats for science? I mean, aren't scientists usually curing diseases and studying the mysteries and problems of the planet and stuff like that?

[Mindy Thomas]

Actually, Dennis, rats and other rodents have been helping scientists to solve the world's problems for over 150 years.

[Dennis]

Yeah, and because there are so many similarities between the bodies and brains of rats and of humans, well, rats have played a pretty important role in helping scientists to develop medicines and to understand the human brain and the way it behaves.

[Mindy Thomas]

Oh, and I just thought of another thing. Even NASA has rats living aboard the International Space Station. They're working to help scientists better understand life in microgravity.

[Dennis]

We actually owe rats a debt of gratitude. They're the unsung heroes of the scientific world.

[Guy Raz]

Wow. True heroes.

[Mindy Thomas]

Okay, okay. So all of this is to say, Dennis, that this experiment is a step in helping scientists to understand when a rat is experiencing true happiness and when it's not. Okay, that's enough. That's enough. Rats.

[Dennis]

Yep. You know what they say. Happy rats, happy researchers.

[Guy Raz]

Got it.

[Mindy Thomas]

Well, I guess we should probably round up these rats and get them off of my gingerbread roof before they eat it.

[Guy Raz]

I suppose. Okay, little ratties, party's over. Time to go.

[Mindy Thomas]

Wow, Dennis, you're like a real life Pied Piper.

[Guy Raz]

Oh my gosh, you're right. I'm gonna go get my flute. Reggie, don't leave. I need you to take my picture when I get back.

[Reggie]

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[Mindy Thomas]

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