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Julie Chang
To Tech News Briefing. It's Friday, October 17th. I'm Julie Chang for the Wall Street Journal. While some investors fret about high valuations for tech stocks, could the real bubble be in energy? We'll look into why investors are going all in on zero revenue energy companies. Plus, who owns your face in the age of AI? Our personal tech columnist joins us to discuss how our likenesses are no longer our own. But first, our Herd on the street columnist Jin Zhou Lee is following a group of energy firms, many working on small module nuclear reactors that are collectively worth more than $45 billion despite having no current revenue. Jinju joins me now to discuss. So Jinju, can you tell us a little bit about some of these energy companies?
Jin Jo Lee
The largest one is Oklo, which is backed by OpenAI Sam Altman and valued at about 25 billion dol billion. It's a nuclear startup that's working on a small modular reactor technology that's still pretty nascent and it's the largest market cap for a listed US Company with zero revenue. And then another large one is Fermi, also zero revenue. They have these very ambitious plans to build out 11 gigawatts worth of power. That's about the amount of capacity that the state of New Mexico has in Texas to power data center customers. They have a few natural gas turbines lined up, but it's only enough to meet like 5% of their total goal. And neither company has any binding customer agreements.
Julie Chang
So why are people investing in these more speculative energy companies?
Jin Jo Lee
Well, there's generally a lot of interest in any company that has potential to profit from the AI boom. And some of the already profitable energy companies are already very pricey. Some of their stocks are trading at like 100 times forward earnings. And I guess there is a case to be made that if there was ever a time for a new energy technology or an expensive energy technology to take off than it would be now when there's so much sudden need for power from some very well capitalized tech companies.
Julie Chang
So then on the flip side, what happens if these energy companies don't take off because say the AI bubble bursts?
Jin Jo Lee
Yeah, I mean if you are a tech company that is already profitable and the AI bubble bursts, then you're still probably going to be fine, right? Maybe your revenue projections out in the future are not as big as you had hoped, but you'll still survive. The issue with some of these energy companies is that they're not backed by any revenue or are loss making, so their share prices probably have the furthest to come down if the bubble bursts.
Julie Chang
That was WSJ Heard on the street columnist Jin Jo Lee. Coming up, your digital doppelganger is mere clicks away thanks to AI. But what if you don't want it to be? That's after the break.
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Julie Chang
AI Videos are taking over social media. You may have already spotted the Sora logo watermarked on videos as you scroll through Instagram or TikTok made by OpenAI. Sora can take a genuine video or photo of someone and spin up a virtual lookalike in mere minutes. And it's not alone, but Google has its Nano Banana Image generator and Apple's Got Image Playground. WSJ personal tech columnist Nicole Nguyen is here to discuss these tools, the potential risks they pose, and the safeguards that are in place. And a quick note. News Corp, the owner of the Wall Street Journal, has a content licensing partnership with OpenAI. So Nicole, the big video generating app right now is OpenAI's Sora. Tell us about Sora. Where can I find it? How does it work?
Nicole Nguyen
So Sora is currently invite only. It's available to anyone to Download via the iOS app store. But to be able to use Sora, you need an invite code. It is built on OpenAI's latest video generation model and the reason why it's so buzzed about is because you can create your own digital likeness within minutes. All I had to do was look at a camera, speak three numbers aloud, move my head around, and then it created this impersonation of me, this digital avatar that did look and sound a lot like me that I could put in any scenario that I could dream up and I could also allow other people who are on the platform to create videos with my digital avatar appearing in them and also open it to everyone, which I definitely did not because that would be crazy.
Julie Chang
Okay, so you tried out that digital doppelganger or cameo feature. What did the results look like? Were they pretty believable?
Nicole Nguyen
So I would say mixed. I Mean, at first, it really depended on the scenario of the video. And the weirdest thing about Generative AI is the same prompt will produce a different response every time. So the likeness does not look exactly the same in every single video. In some, my facial expressions, the flyaways in my hair, the texture to my skin was perfect on point. And then in others, my teeth look really off. And it said things that I would never say. And it didn't look like me. But I was definitely creeped out at its capability in, like, the best circumstance, with the most finely tuned prompt that it could create something that looked and sounded just like me and make it do something that I have never done or did say in real life.
Julie Chang
And are there any restrictions on using Sora at the moment? Did the companies say what kinds of privacy protections there are for users?
Nicole Nguyen
There are elements of this cameo feature that are really elegantly designed. So, for example, if you let other people use your cameo in their videos, you will always have visibility into their drafts, even if they don't publish those videos. And you can delete them at any time. And those videos that are created by them and feature, you cannot be downloaded or screen recorded. And I'm sure that there are ways around that, but the baseline protection is pretty good. I did, however, see a lot of dead celebrities in the app. There are restrictions around living celebrities, like, anything that mentions Taylor Swift or intellectual property like Star wars will be immediately blocked. But Martin Luther King Jr. For example, was fair game. And in one of the creepiest videos that I saw, it looked like this grainy footage, you know, historical footage that looks genuine. And he said, I have a dream that Sora will change its content violation policy, which is something that Martin Luther King Jr. Never said, but it was definitely in his voice and in his likeness.
Julie Chang
So what are some of the risks involved with using this tech?
Nicole Nguyen
The main risk is that once you hand your likeness over to these AI apps, you lose control of them. We've known since the dawn of the Internet, once you post a photo, it can be Photoshopped endlessly. It can be shared and distributed in many ways without your consent. But these AI tools really supercharge both the the manipulation and distribution of these images. And a lot of platforms. ChatGPT, Google's Gemini, say you need to make sure you have the rights and permission to upload a photo that you're going to manipulate. But just because they say that doesn't mean that people do that. And so anyone could really upload an image featuring you to these tools and create something that looks like you, and now those companies have access to your face as a part of their training data. OpenAI says it takes steps to protect user privacy. And in the app settings, for example, you can prevent the company from using your content to train its models. And that's true of other AI apps, too.
Julie Chang
That was WSJ personal tech columnist Nicole Nguyen. And that's it for Tech News Briefing. Today's show was produced by me, Julie Chang. Jessica Fenton and Michael Lavalle wrote our theme music. Our development producer is Aisha Al Muslim, Chris Zinsley is the deputy editor and Falana Patterson is the Wall Street Journal's head of news audio. We'll be back later this morning with TNB Tech Minute. Thanks for listening.
Elastic Representative
Why do over 50% of the Fortune 500 use elastic? Because of search AI. Search AI is what's next, chatting one on one with your business. It's also LGCNS turning real time context into real smart cities. Find out what Elastic can do for your business at Elastic Co searchai.
Date: October 17, 2025
Host: Julie Chang (WSJ)
Guests: Jin Jo Lee (Heard on the Street columnist), Nicole Nguyen (Personal Tech columnist)
This episode tackles two timely tech topics:
WSJ reporters provide context, analysis, and firsthand experiences with cutting-edge tools, flagging both the investor frenzy around next-gen energy startups and the privacy implications of powerful video AI apps like OpenAI's Sora.
(00:24–03:41)
Unprecedented Valuations for Zero-Revenue Startups
Investor Motivation
Risks of an AI Bubble Burst
(04:25–09:29)
OpenAI Sora: How It Works
Believability—The Good, the Bad, and the Uncanny
Dangerous Flexibility and Potential for Abuse
Cameo Feature Limits
Who Is Fair Game?—Issues of Consent and Copyright
Loss of Control Over Likeness
Training Data Concerns and Controls