E (2:55)

It seems about as active as he's ever been and more popular, really. The party has moved to the left in many ways, including the establishment sort of elite Democrats. But where Sanders had a lot of success is in supporting these progressive primary candidates who win their party primaries and then go on to general elections that are considered not very competitive and win those seats. Sanders is now testing that in some of these key races, especially races like John was saying, that could decide control of the Senate. And so we're seeing a clash between the Sanders progressive wing of the party and really the establishment Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who. Who have picked out more sort of moderate candidates that they feel like can win people who have won competitive races before. For example, in Maine, Governor Janet Mills has won the state previously. Democrats are trying to take out Senator Susan Collins, who they've tried and failed before, but they feel like this year they have a chance. Meanwhile, Sanders and other progressives are backing someone named Graham Platner. He's an oyster farmer, a political novice, and he really looks right now like he might win this primary. And so this is a really good example of the tension between the establishment and progressives. But in a race that has huge consequences, it's a majority maker for Democrats and really a must win if they're gonna have a chance at taking back the Senate.

B (4:27)

John, Eliza mentioned that race in Maine, and granted, as you've mentioned, still early days, but we have seen some results already from this gamble on whether the Democrats should take a progressive turn here already.

D (4:39)

Yeah, we have one that I'm going to mention is really going to give us a good sense for sort of the mindset of Democratic voters. This Michigan race, the primary is not until August 4th, so it's going to play out all summer. And it features three major candidates competing to get the nod to fill a seat that's being vacated by Democratic Gary Peters retirement. So that race features Representative Haley Stevens. She's sort of the establishment moderate candidate. She flipped a GOP House seat in 2018. She's sort of the kind of candidate that centrists in the Democratic Party say they need more of if they want to win general elections. And then there's also State Senator Mallory McMarrow. She's a bit further to the Left. And then the progressive in that race who is backed by Sanders is Abdul El Said. And he's the most left leaning of the three. And there's concern among centrist Democrats that if El Sajid wins the nomination that he could struggle in a general election, just be too far to the left for independent voters in Michigan. But that's gonna be a very important race to watch, both from Democratic Party perspective and also just from do Democrats have a chance of winning the Senate? This race will be critical in that

B (5:55)

calculation because we've been sort of hammering this progressive to centrist spectrum point a bit. I wanna bring in a different choice Democrats will have to make, and one that people might argue Kamala Harris struggled with herself in 20, is how much do you campaign on just defeating President Trump or running against his policies versus leading with policies yourself?

E (6:18)

Democrats are really struggling with this. They have been able to win races in the past on just anti Trump sentiment. It did not work in 2024 because there were a whole host of reasons that voters were angry at Democrats in power. And now Trump is back in power this time. And as John noted at the beginning, the world looks very different. We are at war. Prices have not gone down. That was a huge thing voters were hoping for in 2024. Immigration and deportations in particular have been a huge problem for President Trump, including with Republicans. So Democrats are grappling with can they run on anti Trump policies. There's still division over what the party actually stands for. And I've talked to a lot of Democrats who say, look, we can't be the anti Trump party forever. We might have a good year in 20 because of headwinds, but that doesn't mean that then Democrats have it figured out. And so there's a lot of anxiety within the party about what's next. But from what I'm seeing so far, I'm not seeing a lot of very clear plans for what Democrats would do differently.

D (7:29)

Yeah, I think some of the 2028 prospective presidential candidates are trying to put down some policy markers. One guy that I follow very closely, Chicago and his Rahm Emanuel, he's been somebody who's been very critical of the Democratic Party and says that it's been too fixated on identity politics, has sort of forgotten how to appeal to independent voters and focus on the economy and pocketbook issues that do tend to drive general elections. And so all of the prospective 2028 candidates there are definitely, to varying degrees, showing that they can fight Trump and criticize him and take him on. I mean, that's sort of a prerequisite to be a Democrat these days. But a few of them are putting down a lot of policy ideas and talking about how the Democratic Party needs to just talk differently, use fewer acronyms, talk like normal people do, as Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear says. And so we have to keep in mind this 2026 midterm is obviously important for control of the Senate and the House and governorships and all those other things, but it's also sort of the warm up act for these 2028 candidates.

B (8:41)

Alright, we've got to take a very short break, but when we come back, we'll be looking at Republicans own battles as they stare down the disadvantage of incumbency and the challenge of defining their allegiance to or differences with the occupant of the White House. Stay with us.

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C (9:17)

John, as we look at how Republicans are planning to contest this campaign, it's now been a few months since our most recent Wall Street Journal nationwide poll which followed the killing of Renee Nicole Good. But then subsequently we've had the fatal shooting of Alex Preddy, the recalibration of Trump's immigration crackdown, the government shutdown as well the debacle at airports and last, but of course not least, the launching of the Iran war. You have been speaking to party officials lately. What do they make of where the party stands in the eyes of key voters?

D (9:50)

Yeah. No, both Eliza and I have been talking to, you know, Republican elected officials and party officials in recent days. And yeah, there, there is definite anxiety out there. The longer the war drags on, the longer gas prices stay high. This environment is just going to continue to be very challenging. So there's sort of this soul searching going on in the Republican Party. They can't look too panicked because that's not a good look either to voters. And so they're trying to sort of stress that, hey, we still have some time if things get better in Iran, if, you know, the president is able to accomplish some of the goals that he has for this war. If gasoline prices come down, who knows how things look in September, October, November. But there's plenty of worry within the GOP that like the House may already be gone for Republicans.

B (10:40)

Eliza, is some of this based on the results of some of those March primaries we got? There was some In Texas, notably, which is itself telling that it maybe sparked a little concern among GOP leaders.

E (10:52)

Well, I think it's not just the March primary. Democrats have had success in special elections, really, over the last year. They won the Virginia and New Jersey governors races. Virginia was a flip for them. And we have seen some local elections like you're mentioning in March in Texas, a state House seat flipped. Texas is particularly interesting and concerning for Republicans, really, because, of course, the state is a deep red state. It should be an easy pickup. The Senate is sort of on the map for Democrats here. It might just be a big money pit for them. But Republicans are nervous about losing the Senate in Texas. And then of course, South Texas, which has a large Hispanic population, they are now moving away from President Trump. Our team has done a lot of great reporting down there, talking to voters who felt like they were voting for Trump on immigration because he said he would get criminals out. Obviously, his deportation effort is much larger than that, and that has really earned backlash from voters across the country. But in Hispanic South Texas as well, there is a House seat, a long shot House seat for Democrats, but that they're very excited about because they have a strong candidate down there. And it's just sort of a microcosm of the problem President Trump has with Hispanic voters on immigration, but on other issues as well, such as the economy, he really created this Fragile coalition in 2024. He did better with every demographic group, and it's a difficult coalition to hold onto. Going into these midterms, we've talked about

B (12:27)

Democrats wrestling with how much they should be focusing on having their own messages or constructing a sort of anti Trump resistance. Are Republicans in a similar boat over how they frame their relationship with the president?

D (12:41)

Well, not in primaries. There are a few examples out there where there are some select candidates who have been critical of the president, have broken with him. But by and large, as these candidates look at their primaries, they have to embrace the president. But in some of these places where candidates are competing in battleground states, place like Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, some of these candidates are going to have to be a little bit more nuanced after they win their primaries and maybe distance themselves a little bit from the president. And as we talk about sort of the Republican angst and stress here, they do have one thing going for them, and that's money. The power of incumbency really does help fundraising. How much the president will spend on people other than himself sort of remains to be seen. But presumably he's going to spend some of that money on candidates that he backs in the midterms. And some individual Democratic candidates have had great success raising money individually. But the party committees have struggled because the party that's in power in Washington tends to have a much easier path to fundraising.

B (13:44)

Eliza, I'm curious just because John mentioned both you and him have been talking to Republican officials lately. Do you see slightly different messaging from some candidates as opposed to what we maybe get from White House messaging, social media, the like?

E (13:57)

This has always been a problem for Republicans. President Trump demands complete loyalty from his party and he has really built that up over the last decade. There are very few Republicans left in office that are vocal in their opposition to him. You know, particularly in the House. It's a very Trump friendly caucus. I think we will see, especially as we get to a general election, candidates trying to find that nuance or at least hear out voters. We have seen a handful push back on certain things as it related to immigration, especially under the former DHS Secretary Kristi Noem and what happened in Minnesota with the deportations and the protests. But Republicans are in a very complicated position because President Trump is extremely popular with the base and his polling is dropping with independents who these candidates also need to win general elections.

B (14:53)

I have been speaking to Wall street journal reporters John McCormick and Eliza Collins. John, Eliza, thank you both so much.

D (14:59)

Thank you.

E (15:00)

Thank you.

B (15:01)

And if we've got you excited for primary season now, because how could you not be? You're in luck because we've got Sunday episodes coming to you over the next month on the pivotal midterm campaigns that are playing out in Ohio and Pennsylvania. You'll find those right here in this feed. And that's it for what's new Sunday for April 19th. Today's show was produced by Daniel Bach with supervising producers Sandra Kilhoff and Melanie Roy. I'm Luke Vargas and we will be back tomorrow morning with brand new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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