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Alex Osola
Truestage companies simplify the complex with 90 years of delivering accessible insurance and innovative financial solutions. Let's work together and build a better tomorrow today. Learn more@truestage.com WSJ Trustage is the marketing name for Trustage Financial Group and its subsidiaries and affiliates. Corporate headquarters is located in Madison, Wisconsin. Republican senators want changes to President Trump's mega bill, which is estimated to increase the U.S. deficit by more than $2 trillion. Plus more high income shoppers are turning to discount retailers. What does this say about American consumers?
Suzanne Kapner
Consumers are under pressure and even consumers that have a little more disposable income are trading down to these dollar stores to get bargains and value.
Alex Osola
And Russian President Vladimir Putin told President Trump that Russia will respond to Ukraine's recent drone attack. It's Wednesday, June 4th. I'm Alex Osola for the Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of what's News, the top headlines and business that move the world today. The Trump administration has taken aim at Columbia University's accreditation, a significant escalation in the government's battle with the Ivy League school. The Department of Education told the organization through which Columbia is accredited that the school is in violation of federal anti discrimination laws and no longer appears to meet the standards for accreditation. The move doesn't revoke Columbia's accreditation, without which Columbia would be virtually unable to operate. But the administration urged the accreditor to work with the school to make sure it comes into compliance with federal law and, quote, take appropriate action if Columbia fails to do so. Neither Columbia University nor the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, which accredits Columbia, immediately responded to a request for comment. Activity among US Services firms sank unexpectedly last month. The Institute for Supply Management said today that its Purchasing Managers index for services providers fell to 49.9 in May from 51.6 in April. Economists polled by the Wall Street Journal had expected a small rise. The contraction points to mounting uncertainty and price pressures for businesses prompted by President Trump's tariff policies. The reading below 50 indicates a first contraction in activity since June 2024. Meanwhile, American employers further dialed down their hiring in May, a sign that the labor market may be weakening amid growing economic uncertainty. According to the ADP National Employment Report released today, just 37,000 jobs were created last month, down from 62,000 in April. The downturn means job growth was its weakest in more than two years. After the ADP numbers were released, President Trump posted on Truth Social that Federal Reserve Chair Jerome Powell should lower rates. The Fed reiterated last week that officials make Interest rate decisions based solely on careful, objective and non political analysis. US Stocks were mixed today after President Trump renewed his call for a Federal Reserve rate cut. The dow fell about 0.2%, the Nasdaq rose about 0.3%, and the S&P 500 stayed flat. President Trump's tax and spending mega bill comes with a significant price tag. The legislation would increase budget deficits by $2.4 trillion over the next decade compared with doing nothing. That's according to a Congressional Budget Office estimate released this morning. The number underlines Republicans challenge in selling the measure as fiscally sound, even as Republican senators want changes to the GOP tax and spending mega bill. WSJ tax policy reporter Richard Rubin is here to tell us more. Richard, what are some of the things that senators are looking to change in big beautiful bill?
Richard Rubin
The House bill has these Medicaid cuts and you've got senators like Josh Hawley and Susan Collins on the Republican side who want to soften those a little bit. The House bill phases out the clean energy tax credits very quickly. And there are senators like Thom Tillis of North Carolina who want to slow that down a little bit. And then you've got a bunch of senators who want to make some of the tax cuts that are temporary in the House bill, particularly for businesses, to make them permanent. And so even as you're hearing a lot of the loud voices talking about how there's not enough spending cuts and too much deficits in this bill, there are some real forces pushing the bill in the other direction, which is softer spending cuts and maybe more tax cuts.
Alex Osola
But there is a chance that that CBO estimate could rise after the bill passes through the Senate.
Richard Rubin
That's one of the real questions. Does the Senate feel constrained by the House agreement to keep that deficit number at 2.4 ish trillion? The Senate could make that deficit number bigger and just say, okay, fine, like we'll just have fewer spending cuts or more tax cuts and it's fine. That runs the risk of losing support in the House and even losing support in the Senate because you've got no more conservative members who are concerned about the deficits. They also could find ways to cover the costs, both real ones, like finding other spending cuts elsewhere or tax increases elsewhere or by saying, oh well, it's going to increase economic growth and so we'll assume some revenue comes from that. So they've got a range of choices for how they both change the bill and then talk about how they change the bill. Now the Senate really has to get down to business and figure out what is the magic combination of policies that can get them at least 50 votes. And they don't have that yet, but that's the work they're undertaking right now and they're all relatively optimistic that they can get there. So that's the path ahead for the next couple of weeks.
Alex Osola
That was WSJ reporter Richard Rubin. Thank you, Richard.
Richard Rubin
Great. Thank you.
Alex Osola
Another thing that the big beautiful tax and spending bill contains expanded access to health Savings Accounts, or HSAs. At least 60 million Americans currently have access to these accounts, with which offer remarkable tax breaks to users who can afford to maximize them. If the Senate passes the bill, millions more Americans could potentially have access soon. WSJ reporter Laura Saunders told our your Money Briefing podcast about what comes next.
Laura Saunders
One thing to know is that the current legislation before the Senate, which the House has passed, would take away none of the current benefits of HSAs, but it would add more benefits. The Senate is getting to work right away and hopes to have something done soon. We don't know quite how that's going to work, but I will say there are 10 provisions affecting HSAs in a positive way and they have not been controversial. Not the way that SALT provisions for state and local tax deductions are controversial, or green energy provisions are controversial. We don't know what's going to happen, but they probably have as good a chance as many.
Alex Osola
For more from Laura, listen to tomorrow's episode of youf Money Briefing. Coming up, discount stores are thriving. What does that say about how the US Economy is doing? That's after the break.
Suzanne Kapner
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Alex Osola
One most trusted app based on August 2024 proprietary survey. Over 500,000 new listings every month based on average new for sale and rental listings February 2024 through January 2025. The latest data on consumer sentiment showed that American households are not feeling great. The reading, reported last week, was one of the lowest ever recorded in data going back to 1952. And though consumers are feeling low, discount retailers are riding high. Both Dollar Tree and Dollar General reported higher than expected earnings for the first quarter of the year. They got there in part because they're Reaching a Broader Consumer Base Yesterday, Todd Vasos, the CEO of Dollar General, said in an earnings call that the company is reaching higher income consumers.
Michael Creeden
During our recent customer survey work, 25% of DG customers reported having less income than they did a year ago and nearly 60% of our core customers noted that they felt the need to sacrifice on necessities in the coming year. While our core customer remains financially constrained, we have seen increased trade in activity from both middle and higher income customers.
Alex Osola
Dollar Tree said something similar in its earnings call this morning. CEO Michael Creeden pointed to a broader consumer base as the reason behind its.
Michael Creeden
Strong first quarter trade in trends Remain strong as we attract customers from other retail channels. In recent quarters, higher income customers have been a meaningful growth driver for us. In Q1 we had measurable sales improvement across all income levels, with the most growth coming from our higher income customers. In particular, we saw a meaningful traffic increase from customers with household incomes of more than $100,000, demonstrating Dollar Tree's broad.
Alex Osola
Appeal to talk about what these results tell us about American consumers, I'm joined by Suzanne Kapner, who covers retail for the Wall Street Journal. So Suzanne, both higher and lower income consumers are buying from these stores. What does this tell us?
Suzanne Kapner
Well, consumers are under pressure and even consumers that have a little more disposable income are trading down to these dol to get bargains and value. So there is this dichotomy a little bit. There are existing core customers who tend to be on the lower end are really feeling strapped, but at the same time their results are buoyed as they pick up more customers from these higher income cohorts.
Alex Osola
One of the things that is looming over some of this is tariffs. What are Dollar General and Dollar Tree planning to do about that?
Suzanne Kapner
Well, like other retailers, they're rejiggering their supply chains. They're moving production out of China as much as they possibly can. Dollar General, for instance, said that they've reduced their exposure to China and they are mitigating the impact by using many of the same tactics across the retail industry, working with their vendors to reduce costs, looking for concessions from their suppliers, even re engineering some products or finding substitute products with lower costs. So they're trying a variety of different things.
Alex Osola
What does this tell us about the broader state of the economy?
Suzanne Kapner
This lower income customer has been under pressure for a long time, ever since inflation started spiking up during the pandemic. These are the people that have been hit hardest that have had to live paycheck to paycheck and have had to really watch their budgets, and this is a continuation of that trend for them. But we are starting to see it hit higher income buckets. Now we are seeing this shift in customers trading down, which shows that even people with a little more disposable income are feeling pressured.
Alex Osola
That was WSJ reporter Suzanne Kapner. Thank you, Suzanne.
Suzanne Kapner
Thanks for having me.
Alex Osola
And you can hear more from Suzanne discussing with WSJ markets reporter Hannah Aaron Lang about how US Retailers like Macy's, Target and Best Buy are negotiating President Trump's tariffs and what their earnings reports tell us about the resilience of the American consumer in our special episode of what's News and Earnings out last Monday. We'll leave a link for you in the show. Notes Foreign is suing AI startup Anthropic for using the online discussion site's data without a licensing agreement, according to the complaint filed today in California. Reddit said the AI company unlawfully used Reddit's data for commercial purposes without paying for it and without abiding by the company's user data policy. Anthropic didn't immediately comment. President Trump said today that Russian President Vladimir Putin told him he would have to respond to Ukraine's recent attack, dampening the prospects for immediate peace between Moscow and Kyiv. In a social media post, President Trump said the two leaders spoke for an hour and 15 minutes, though the Post didn't say whether he urged Putin not to launch a retaliatory attack on Ukraine. Trump said that he and Putin also discussed blocking Iran from getting a nuclear weapon and that the Russian leader said he would be willing to get involved in the ongoing conversations and A large cargo ship transporting thousands of vehicles is adrift in the Pacific Ocean after several electric vehicles it was carrying caught fire. All 22 crew members were evacuated safely. The lithium batteries used in many electric vehicles are highly flammable. There have been cases of spontaneous combustion, but no ship fires so far have been directly blamed on EVs. And that's what's news for this Wednesday afternoon. Additional audio in today's episode, courtesy of S and P Global Market Intelligence. Today's show is produced by Pierre Bienname and Anthony Banci, with supervising producer Michael Cosmides. I'm Alex Osola for the Wall Street Journal. We'll be back with a new show tomorrow morning. Thanks for listening.
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WSJ What’s News: Why Americans Are Turning to Discount Stores
Release Date: June 4, 2025
In the latest episode of WSJ What’s News, hosted by Alex Osola from The Wall Street Journal, the spotlight is on a significant shift in American consumer behavior: an increasing number of shoppers, including those with higher incomes, are turning to discount retailers such as Dollar General and Dollar Tree. This trend reflects broader economic pressures and evolving market dynamics. Below is a detailed summary of the episode's key discussions, insights, and conclusions.
Alex Osola kickstarts the episode by highlighting the challenging economic landscape faced by American households. "The latest data on consumer sentiment showed that American households are not feeling great. The reading, reported last week, was one of the lowest ever recorded in data going back to 1952," he notes at [07:27]. This pervasive sense of economic unease sets the stage for consumers seeking value in their purchases.
Despite the bleak consumer sentiment, discount retailers like Dollar General and Dollar Tree have reported robust financial performances. Both companies surpassed earnings expectations in the first quarter, a success attributed to their ability to attract a broader consumer base.
Dollar General’s Strategy: At [08:11], Todd Vasos, CEO of Dollar General, shares insights from the company's earnings call:
"During our recent customer survey work, 25% of DG customers reported having less income than they did a year ago and nearly 60% of our core customers noted that they felt the need to sacrifice on necessities in the coming year. While our core customer remains financially constrained, we have seen increased trade in activity from both middle and higher income customers."
Dollar Tree’s Expansion: Similarly, Dollar Tree’s CEO Michael Creeden highlights a broader customer appeal:
"In Q1 we had measurable sales improvement across all income levels, with the most growth coming from our higher income customers. In particular, we saw a meaningful traffic increase from customers with household incomes of more than $100,000, demonstrating Dollar Tree's broad appeal." ([08:45])
Lauren Saunders from WSJ’s Your Money Briefing elaborates on the expanded access to Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) as part of the broader legislative changes, indicating increased disposable income avenues that could indirectly support discount retail growth ([06:07]).
Joining Suzanne Kapner, WSJ’s retail reporter, Osola delves deeper into the phenomenon. At [09:13], Kapner explains:
"Consumers are under pressure and even consumers that have a little more disposable income are trading down to these dollar stores to get bargains and value. So there is this dichotomy a little bit. There are existing core customers who tend to be on the lower end are really feeling strapped, but at the same time their results are buoyed as they pick up more customers from these higher income cohorts."
This dual attraction—the traditional lower-income shoppers and an in-flow of higher-income consumers seeking bargains—underscores a significant shift in retail dynamics.
The episode also touches upon the challenges discount retailers face due to President Trump’s tariff policies. Tariffs have introduced uncertainties and price pressures that affect the supply chains of these retailers. Suzanne Kapner discusses the strategic responses from Dollar General and Dollar Tree:
"They're moving production out of China as much as they possibly can... Dollar General, for instance, said that they've reduced their exposure to China and they are mitigating the impact by using many of the same tactics across the retail industry, working with their vendors to reduce costs, looking for concessions from their suppliers, even reengineering some products or finding substitute products with lower costs." ([09:59])
By diversifying manufacturing sources and renegotiating supplier terms, these companies aim to maintain their competitive pricing despite external economic pressures.
Suzanne Kapner further contextualizes the trend within the broader economic framework. At [10:36], she observes:
"This lower income customer has been under pressure for a long time, ever since inflation started spiking up during the pandemic. These are the people that have been hit hardest that have had to live paycheck to paycheck and have had to really watch their budgets, and this is a continuation of that trend for them. But we are starting to see it hit higher income buckets. Now we are seeing this shift in customers trading down, which shows that even people with a little more disposable income are feeling pressured."
This analysis highlights that the shift towards discount stores is not merely a temporary reaction but indicative of sustained economic strain across various income levels.
Interwoven with the retail discussion is the broader legislative environment impacting the economy. The episode delves into President Trump’s tax and spending mega bill, which is projected to increase the U.S. deficit by $2.4 trillion over the next decade. WSJ tax policy reporter Richard Rubin provides an in-depth look into the bill’s contentious elements and the Republican senators’ push for modifications ([03:54]).
Rubin outlines:
"There are senators who want to make some of the tax cuts that are temporary in the House bill, particularly for businesses, to make them permanent... There are some real forces pushing the bill in the other direction, which is softer spending cuts and maybe more tax cuts."
This legislative uncertainty contributes to the economic unpredictability that consumers and businesses navigate, further influencing shopping behaviors and retail performance.
While the episode's primary focus is on consumer trends and discount retailers, it also briefly covers other pertinent news:
U.S. Services Sector Slowdown: The Purchasing Managers Index (PMI) fell to 49.9 in May, indicating a contraction in service sector activity, the first since June 2024 ([00:35]).
Labor Market Weakening: Employer hiring in May slowed significantly, with only 37,000 jobs created, the weakest pace in over two years ([05:37]).
International Relations and Trade: Discussions between President Trump and Russian President Putin regarding Ukraine and Iran, and ongoing trade negotiations affecting retailers are also mentioned.
Technological and Environmental Issues: A lawsuit against AI startup Anthropic for unauthorized use of Reddit’s data and concerns over electric vehicle-related ship fires due to flammable lithium batteries are briefly noted.
The episode of WSJ What’s News adeptly captures the complexity of current American consumer behavior, where economic pressures are driving both traditional and new segments of consumers towards discount retailers. By integrating expert interviews and comprehensive analysis, the podcast illuminates the multifaceted reasons behind this retail shift, from legislative impacts and supply chain adjustments to broader economic sentiments. This trend not only underscores the resilience of discount stores in a challenging economy but also signals deeper shifts in consumer priorities and financial strategies.
For more insights and detailed discussions, listeners are encouraged to tune into future episodes and related segments highlighted in the show’s notes.
This summary captures the essence of the podcast episode “Why Americans Are Turning to Discount Stores” from WSJ What’s News, providing a comprehensive overview for those who haven't listened.