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Danny Lewis
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Sarah Randazzo
Wildfires around Los Angeles are spreading, covering tens of thousands of acres and leaving at least two people dead. We hear from our reporter on the scene and why Xi Jinping is punishing one of China's top economists and what that could mean for investors.
Ling Ling Wei
The Chinese market has become so much more opaque. It is a problem for investors both inside and outside China to understand what's going on there.
Sarah Randazzo
Plus, though lots of offices are still sitting vacant, certain spaces are seriously in demand. It's Wednesday, January 8th. Alex I'm Alex Sosola for the Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of what's the top headlines and business stories that move the world today. Multiple wildfires are devastating the Los Angeles area and stretching the region's firefighting resources to their limits. There are now at least four fires, the Palisades, Eaton, Hearst and Woodley fires. They're covering more than 20,000 acres as firefighters contend with strong winds and low humidity. The the Los Angeles Fire Department says that as of this morning, fires have destroyed over a thousand structures and killed at least two people. 70,000 La Area residents are under evacuation orders. Wall Street Journal reporter Sarah Randazzo joins us now from Pasadena, where the Eaton fire covers more than 10,000 acres. So Sarah, you're in Pasadena. What is the scene like there? What have you been seeing?
Peter Grant
Yeah, so I left my house around 5:30 or 6 this morning and went first to an evacuation center at the Pasadena Convention center. And there was a hundreds of people there. Hard to get an exact count, but lots of dogs. One person who had a cage with some birds. People had just evacuated there from all over the area in the hills behind Pasadena. And so I went around talking to people and heard a range of stories. Most of them had either gone to bed, not realizing there was a problem and gotten woken up at 2 or 3 in the morning. Some people made it until 6 in the morning and then got the evacuation orders. And so everyone was just fearful for what they would find when they went back home.
Sarah Randazzo
Wow, that sounds quite dire. What is it about these fires in the LA area that are making them so difficult to contain?
Peter Grant
I spoke to someone with the US Forest Service here at the Rose bowl, which is serving as the command center for this fire. And so he was telling me that they got a heads up at least a week ago that there was going to be these strong Santa Ana winds happening starting yesterday. So they knew there was a high chance of fire risk. So they sent hundreds of firefighters to LA from all over the state and even out of state. And so they were here ready. But once these fires started, he said they haven't even been able to try yet to contain the fires. Usually the first thing you want to do is create a perimeter, try to kind of contain the outside of the fire so it doesn't spread and just try to gradually chip it down from the outside. But he said they've done zero containment so far because the winds are so strong. They just haven't been able to get a handle on it. So instead they've just been focusing on essentially search and rescue and evacuation and saving people's lives, getting them out of harm's way, trying to stop spot fires from starting up and spreading. He said some embers were flying a mile away from wearless like the main fire line was. And so they have fire crews all around looking for places that embers are going to be landing in other neighborhoods to try to put out those smaller fires, because that's something they can do while the main fire essentially rages on unchecked.
Sarah Randazzo
So authorities might not have been surprised, it sounds like, by these fires, but a lot of residents were, even as firefighters are having trouble containing them, as you were saying. So all this seems like it happened really fast. What might the next 24 hours look like in terms of containment and evacuation?
Peter Grant
Yeah, so hopefully nothing new breaks out today and there's obviously more than enough to handle with the three fires in Los Angeles area right now. And so they'll just try to hopefully get containment as the day goes on. They haven't been able to send aircraft up in the air. You know, usually helicopters and other aircraft can go over fires and dump fire retardants. They haven't been able to do that. So hopefully if the winds die down, they can start doing that. And in the meantime, the evacuation orders really just keep spreading. In some places, they're just trying to get more and more people out of potential harm's way. You know, nothing has obtained. So it's going to get probably worse before it gets better.
Sarah Randazzo
That was Wall Street Journal reporter Sarah Randazzo in Pasadena. President elect Donald Trump has filed a last ditch request asking the Supreme Court to block his sentencing for covering up hush money paid to an adult film star. The sentencing is currently scheduled for Friday. Last year, a New York state jury convicted Trump of 34 felonies for falsifying business records. Judge Juan Merchan, who's presiding over the case, has made clear that he would not sentence Trump to prison and that an unconditional discharge or a sentence without any punishment was, quote, the most viable solution. Prominent Chinese economist Gao Shenwen made some comments about his country's government that have landed him in hot water. Gao cast doubt regarding Beijing's ability to take the steps needed to bolster economic growth and questioned whether China's economy really grew the 5% that authorities have touted. Here he is speaking at a forum in Washington last month.
Ling Ling Wei
My own speculation is that in the past two to three years, the real number on average might be around 2%, even though the official number is close.
Sarah Randazzo
To 5%, according to people familiar with the matter. Chinese leader Xi Jinping was furious when he found out about these comments. They said he ordered an investigation of Gao Shenwen and then ordered authorities to discipline the economist by banning Gao from speaking publicly for an unspecified period. Though for now, Gao has been allowed to keep his job. Wall Street Journal's chief China correspondent, Ling Ling Wei is here now with more on what this means. Ling Ling, it's not the first time that Xi has taken action against people he thought were criticizing him or his government. What's different here?
Ling Ling Wei
You're right, Alex. This campaign to snuff out dissent has been going on for quite a while because there has been so much more sensitivity over China's economy given the mounting problems. They're fac. What's different here now is, number one, Dr. Gao made those remarks in Washington and it was live streamed. And that added more problems for him because it's at a time when Beijing really wants to project strength as another trade war with Washington looms. And also what's different is that we have seen increased efforts from authorities to basically stamp out any kind of negative commentary about economy, which is really problematic because, you know, the Chinese market has become so much more opaque. It is a problem for investors both inside and outside China to understand what's going on there.
Sarah Randazzo
You mentioned investors. What do they make of this treatment of this economist?
Ling Ling Wei
There was definitely some kind of shock among some investors we talked to. From a lot of people's perspective, it's just another sign of how bad the economy has become. Dr. Gao has been known as quite a outspoken economist. He's frequently advised regulators on economic and financial policies and he's got a lot of credibility. And so clamping down on someone like him definitely is not really a good sign showing you're confident in how things are going.
Sarah Randazzo
That was WSJ chief China correspondent Ling Lingwei.
Ling Ling Wei
Thanks, Ling Ling, thank you for having me.
Sarah Randazzo
Coming up, at a time when a lot of office space is sitting empty, why are some offices in high demand? That's after the break.
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Sarah Randazzo
U.S. stocks were mixed today as U.S. treasury yields rose. A steep climb in yields can be destabilizing for the stock market by lifting borrowing costs across the economy. The S&P 500 was up about 0.2%, the Dow was up about a quarter of a percent, and the Nasdaq was down less than a tenth of a percent. In many cities across the US would be office space continues to sit empty. According to Moody's, the national office vacancy rate for primary markets ended 2024 at a record 20.4%. But some business districts are contending with the opposite problem. They don't have enough top shelf real estate to meet demand. Peter Grant, a reporter for the Wall Street Journal, is here now with more. So Peter, paint us a picture. What kinds of office spaces are we talking about that are in such high demand?
Alex Osola
What we're seeing right now is a astonishing disconnect between the broader office market and what I call the primo space, the space at the top of the market. The reason for this is that what's happening is that companies want employees to return to offices and to do this, they feel like they have to offer them the most attractive space space closest transit with the best views and the greatest amenities like rooftop decks and food and beverage offerings. And this space is going fast in a lot of markets. While the rest of the market has been languishing.
Sarah Randazzo
What are some of the places where the demand for high end office space is greater than the supply?
Alex Osola
In New York, look at Park Avenue or look at 6th Avenue. Some of the vacancy rates in these business districts are getting into the single digits. You are also seeing a lot of demand in places like the Brickell district of Miami or Century City in the Los Angeles region. But surprisingly enough, even in the markets that are saturated with surplus space like Chicago and Washington, D.C. developers there are beginning to think about new development. A law firm which has agreed to lease half of a new building that a company named BXP has just announced that it's going to start developing about three blocks from the White House because there wasn't enough highest quality space for that law firm when they were conducting their space search.
Sarah Randazzo
So they're getting in on the ground floor of this new property?
Alex Osola
Well, they're actually getting in on the top floors of it, but yes, in a sense, they're getting in on the ground floor.
Sarah Randazzo
You know, Peter, this trend really seems like quite a big shift in the market and also in terms of who's holding the cards here. Right. Like, it seems like offices were begging tenants to come back. And now maybe it's flipped a little bit.
Alex Osola
It is beginning to flip if you roll back the clock a couple years. In the years immediately after the pandemic hit, there was some question about whether or not we were just going to move to remote work completely. That issue was resolved and companies began adopting what they call hybrid workplace strategies. Slowly, that's now beginning to shift, and companies are pressing workers to come back even more and more. The pressure is beginning to build in that direction of four days, and even some companies are going to five days.
Sarah Randazzo
That was Wall Street Journal reporter Peter Grant. And that's what's news for this Wednesday afternoon. Today's show is produced by Anthony Banci and Pierre Bienname with supervising producer Yolanda McBride. I'm Alex Osola for the Wall Street Journal. We'll be back with a new show tomorrow morning. Thanks for listening.
WSJ What’s News: Wildfires Intensify Around Los Angeles
Episode Release Date: January 8, 2025
Overview:
On January 8, 2025, multiple wildfires erupted around the Los Angeles area, significantly straining the region's firefighting resources. The fires—namely the Palisades, Eaton, Hearst, and Woodley fires—collectively burned over 20,000 acres, destroyed more than a thousand structures, and resulted in at least two fatalities. Approximately 70,000 residents were placed under evacuation orders as authorities battled to contain the flames amidst challenging weather conditions.
On-the-Ground Reporting:
Wall Street Journal reporter Sarah Randazzo provided a detailed account from Pasadena, where the Eaton fire alone spanned over 10,000 acres. She spoke with evacuees who described the suddenness of the evacuations, many being awakened in the early hours of the morning without prior warning.
“People had just evacuated there from all over the area in the hills behind Pasadena. Everyone was just fearful for what they would find when they went back home.”
— Peter Grant, Pasadena Evacuation Center Resident [01:41]
Firefighting Challenges:
Peter Grant highlighted the severe difficulties faced by firefighters due to strong Santa Ana winds and low humidity:
“They haven't been able to try yet to contain the fires... the winds are so strong. Instead they've just been focusing on search and rescue and evacuation and saving people's lives.”
— Peter Grant, US Forest Service Representative [02:25]
The Rose Bowl, serving as the command center, struggles to deploy aircraft for fire retardant drops, limiting efforts to contain the fires to search and rescue operations and preventing spot fires from igniting new areas.
Future Projections:
Authorities anticipate that the situation may deteriorate before improving. With ongoing strong winds, containment efforts are hindered, and evacuation orders are expected to expand.
“It's going to get probably worse before it gets better.”
— Peter Grant [03:35]
President-elect Donald Trump has filed an urgent request with the Supreme Court seeking to block his impending sentencing related to allegations of covering up hush money payments to an adult film star. The sentencing, initially scheduled for Friday, follows his conviction on 34 felonies for falsifying business records.
“Judge Merchan has made clear that he would not sentence Trump to prison and that an unconditional discharge or a sentence without any punishment was, quote, the most viable solution.”
— Sarah Randazzo [04:04]
Prominent Chinese economist Gao Shenwen has fallen out of favor following his critical remarks about China's economic growth and the government’s policies. Gao questioned the authenticity of China's reported 5% economic growth, suggesting it might be closer to 2%.
“My own speculation is that in the past two to three years, the real number on average might be around 2%, even though the official number is close.”
— Gao Shenwen [05:26]
In response, President Xi Jinping has initiated an investigation into Gao and imposed restrictions on his public speaking, signaling a tightening grip on dissent within China’s economic discourse.
Impact on Investors:
Ling Ling Wei, the Wall Street Journal's chief China correspondent, analyzed the ramifications of this crackdown on investors:
“Chinese market has become so much more opaque. It is a problem for investors both inside and outside China to understand what's going on there.”
— Ling Ling Wei [07:00]
Investors perceive the suppression of outspoken economists like Gao as a negative indicator of China's economic stability and transparency, potentially undermining confidence in the Chinese market.
“Clamping down on someone like him definitely is not really a good sign showing you're confident in how things are going.”
— Ling Ling Wei [07:22]
National Vacancy Rates vs. Prime Space Demand:
Despite a national office vacancy rate reaching a record high of 20.4% in primary markets by the end of 2024, certain business districts are experiencing a starkly different trend. High-end office spaces—characterized by prime locations, superior amenities, and modern facilities—are in significant demand, contrasting the broader market’s downturn.
High-Demand Locations:
Key areas witnessing intense competition for top-tier office space include:
“Companies want employees to return to offices and to do this, they feel like they have to offer them the most attractive space... with the best views and the greatest amenities like rooftop decks and food and beverage offerings.”
— Alex Osola [09:40]
Market Shift:
The demand for premium office spaces reflects a broader shift in workplace strategies. Post-pandemic, companies have moved from remote to hybrid models, increasingly incentivizing office return through enhanced work environments.
“The pressure is beginning to build in that direction of four days, and even some companies are going to five days.”
— Alex Osola [11:34]
Developer Responses:
In response to the high demand, developers like BXP are initiating new projects even in markets with existing surplus space, underscoring the strategic importance of prime real estate in maintaining competitive advantage for businesses.
“They're actually getting in on the top floors of it, but yes, in a sense, they're getting in on the ground floor.”
— Alex Osola [11:14]
Implications:
This trend indicates a potential reversal of power dynamics in the office leasing market, where premium real estate developers and landlords may hold the upper hand over tenants, driven by sustained demand for high-quality workspaces.
Conclusion:
The January 8, 2025 episode of WSJ What’s News addressed critical issues ranging from the immediate crisis of wildfires in Los Angeles, the intertwining of political maneuvers with economic policies in the U.S. and China, to evolving dynamics in the national office real estate market. Each segment underscored the complexities and interdependencies shaping current events and their broader implications for society and global markets.
For more detailed insights, listen to the full episode of WSJ What’s News.