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Hillary first met Huma Abedin over 25 years ago when Huma, still in college, accepted a White House internship in the Office of the First Lady. Since then, they’ve shared triumphs and challenges through Hillary’s time in the White House, the U.S. Senate, as Secretary of State, and over the course of two Senate and two presidential campaigns.

Throughout their professional partnership, Huma stayed behind the scenes. In her new memoir, Both/And: A Life in Many Worlds, she steps forward to share her own story—from her childhood as the American-born daughter of Indian and Pakistani parents living in Saudi Arabia to her coming of age in Washington, D.C., and her personal and political journey to the present.

On today’s episode, we hear these two women–longtime friends and colleagues–share stories, laughs, and their deep and lasting admiration for one another.

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