Natasha Leggero Returns

Summary

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes

Guest: Natasha Leggero (Returns)
Release Date: September 4, 2024
Main Theme: Comedian Natasha Leggero joins Pete Holmes to candidly discuss parenting, the anxieties around raising kids in a strange world, the internet’s impact, her new book "The World Deserves My Children," and the unique joys and burdens of being a modern woman, with signature sharp humor throughout.

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Episode Overview

This episode features comedian Natasha Leggero returning to the podcast to discuss the realities and weirdnesses of parenting, the cultural moment we're living in, and her new book. Pete and Natasha bounce between hilarious social commentary and deeper reflections on technology, vices, generational anxieties, and maintaining a creative (and real) life amid it all. The conversation is intimate, honest, and consistently funny — with detours into pop culture, parenting fails, and being women (and men) of a certain age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Comedy, Friendship, and Creative Origins

[02:24 – 03:10]

• Natasha and Pete reminisce about feeling like they "started comedy together" and working in writers’ rooms; Moshe Kasher (Natasha’s husband) is referenced as part of their comedy “class.”
  • Natasha: “I feel like everyone in our class kind of started around 2000…”
• Mutual appreciation surfaces early — Pete won’t stop complimenting Natasha, jokingly overdoing it.
• Natasha’s new book, The World Deserves My Children, is introduced.

2. The Book, Parenting, and Modern Family Life

[03:26 – 05:29]

• The cover shoot for Natasha’s book, involved her real kitchen and daughter—a reflection of the pandemic era.
• Natasha discusses dedicating her book to her daughter, illustrating the existential conversations modern parents have with kids about legacy, choice, and even the place of technology in their lives:
  • Natasha: “My phone will be my child.”
    [05:40]

3. Technology Burnout, Social Media Satire & Parenting

[06:03 – 13:04]

• Both comedians joke about being out of touch with "the hawk tooie girl" and other trending memes, expressing alienation from viral culture.
  • Pete: “If you’re watching good television, good film, reading good books, talking to good people, looking at real shit, and someone shows you the hawk tooie girl, I’m fucking proud that I’m like, this is zero.”
    [07:11]
• Both use assistants for social media and confess to discomfort with having an online presence.
• Natasha: “My mission in life to the point where I almost want to stop my career is to keep my child engaged and entertained and offline, you know, like, however I can try to do that, like being present and not just being on my phone.”
  [13:03]

4. The Burden of Constant Connection

[14:16 – 16:13]

• Pete expresses discomfort at being expected to reply to endless texts and audio messages, preferring deeper, less transactional communication.
  • Pete: “Stop texting me. You’re all jacked up on some energy drink and you’re firing off…”
    [14:16]
  • Natasha: “Only certain people do [audio messages]. It’s a personality type…It’s invasive.”
    [15:46]

5. Kids & The Internet: Fears and Realities

[17:13 – 30:55]

• Natasha shares her daughter uses her as “Google,” reflecting on the weird new middle ground for kids and tech.
• They commiserate about vices and quitting nicotine so as not to pass addictions on to kids.
• The conversation shifts to the perils of children’s internet exposure, especially in school settings:
  • Natasha: “None of us can save our kids from seeing, you know, double anal on the playground now because all the kids have phones…Our principal at our school was like, the sixth graders are showing the little kids porn on the playground.”
    [29:40]
• Pete’s visible discomfort and sadness highlights how surreal and difficult modern parenting can feel.

6. Cultural Anxiety, Environmental Doom, and Choosing Hope

[31:25 – 36:12]

• Discussion of Natasha’s book’s genesis after the 2016 election and the existential dread that almost stopped her from having a child.
  • Natasha: “I was like, you know what? It made me think I’m not going to have a kid. Like, I can’t be in a world where this person is the president…” [23:43]
• Pete and Natasha debate environmental doom vs. optimism:
  • Natasha: “Don’t you think it’s going to get bad?”
    [33:12]
  • Pete: “I’m like, we will figure it out. There’s going to be a way.”
    [34:13]
• The conversation closes on the idea that parenting can be a strange act of faith and optimism.

7. Traveling, Status, and Class (A Comedy of Air Travel Woes)

[39:54 – 77:28]

• Natasha recounts miserable European travel with her daughter and Moshe, riffing on everything from climbing on ruins to Ryanair misery to being “zone nine.”
  • Natasha: “My daughter…called [coach] ‘dumb class’...”
    [69:38]
• The two examine how air travel pecking orders reinforce status anxiety, self-worth, and even childhood trauma:
  • Pete: “Nice hotels are just like, ‘hello, Ms. Leggero, we have your room ready…’ you just go like, I’m being healed from my trauma. I’m not kidding you.”
    [73:59]

8. Gender, Parenthood and Later Motherhood

[82:00 – 85:47]

• Natasha philosophizes on what it means to be a woman and a mother at 50, emphasizing the little-discussed menopausal “second act”:
  • Natasha: “Women have this, like, second act and, like, what could that be?...and I don’t think people have really talked about it that much.”
• Pete highlights how honest writing about the difficulty of motherhood is healing for readers who feel isolated or “doing it wrong.”

9. Pressures of Social Media & Parenting Advice Overload

[47:29 – 48:09]

• Natasha: “Part of me getting off social media was my algorithm was only people telling me I was doing it wrong...Never say, ‘good job.’ Always say, ‘you worked really hard on that.’ And like, now my daughter...is on to me.”

10. Vices, Sobriety, and Needing to "Be a Monster" Sometimes

[97:13 – 98:33]

• Natasha reflects that a small amount of self-centeredness or assertiveness (“1% monster”) is crucial to functioning well in showbusiness and even personal life.

11. The Occult, Ghosts, and Believing in the Unseen

[98:33 – 105:12]

• Classic YMIW closing: Pete asks about ghosts. Natasha has never seen one but is open, shares a story of a cryptic “out-of-body” dream message, and discusses the spectrum between radical skepticism and openness to the mystical.
  • “Some people have talents, you know, like, intuition is a talent… some people are just more sensitive, open to that realm.”
    [105:12]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Parenting and Technology:
  • Natasha: “My phone will be my child.”
    [05:43]
• On Internet Virality:
  • Pete: “You’ve been…you know those old Apple commercials where they’re like, walking in a dystopian future? Those are the idiots that are like, hawk tooie girl. Like, they’re wearing, like, gray flour sack onesies. They’re all shaved. They have numbers on their eyebrows. Those are the fucking…”
    [07:11]
• On Social Media and Authenticity:
  • Natasha: “My mission in life...is to keep my child...offline, you know, like, however I can try to do that, like being present and not just being on my phone.”
    [13:03]
• On Airplane Status Anxiety:
  • Natasha: “My daughter unfortunately has flown first class before…She was like, why can’t we sit in the front of the plane?...She goes, this is dumb class.”
    [69:37]
• On Gender Parenting Stereotypes:
  • Natasha: “None of us can save our kids from seeing, you know, double anal on the playground now because all the kids have phones.”
    [29:40]
  • Pete: “I think we need me, and I think we need whistleblowers. And I think we need people that are really freaking out. I think we need everything in between.”
    [105:18]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:26 — Natasha’s book, motherhood, and cover shoot story
• 05:40 — “My phone will be my child” moment
• 07:11 — Pete’s viral culture diatribe
• 13:03 — Natasha on keeping her kid offline
• 23:43 — Election night trauma and reproductive anxieties
• 29:40 — Kids and internet dangers in schools
• 33:12 — Environmental/anxiety debate
• 39:54 — Mundanities of parenting (“stop climbing on a ruin” in Europe)
• 69:37 — Child calls economy class “dumb class”
• 73:59 — Pete on hotels, status, and trauma
• 82:00 — Menopause, second acts, and women after 50
• 98:33 — On being “1% monster” to get things done
• 100:10 — Dinner with Moshe’s scientist family: astrology debate (Natasha at "51% belief")
• 101:16 — Natasha’s out-of-body dream message story

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Tone & Style

• The tone is irreverent, quick-witted, occasionally confessional, and deeply self-aware.
• Both Natasha and Pete oscillate between social satire, sincere vulnerability, and playful roasting—there’s a lived-in camaraderie and comfort.
• As always, Pete Holmes steers the conversation towards the philosophical and spiritual, while keeping the banter brisk and the jokes sharp.

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Closing Thoughts

An episode filled with relatable parental anxieties, creative confessions, and nostalgia, this is a rich, funny, and insightful conversation. Natasha’s candor about the weirdness of the world—and the mundane trials of being a woman, mother, and comedian—makes this a must-listen for fans of comedy with depth. Pete’s warmth and curiosity keep the episode moving, with plenty of quotables and memorable moments along the way.

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Final note: Natasha does not say "keep it crispy"—but finally gives in with a laugh, embodying the spirit of the show up to the last moment.

Transcript

[Natasha Leggero]

You made it weird. You made it weird.

[Pete Holmes]

You made it weird.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You made it weird. Yes. You made it weird. You made it weird with Pete Holmes. What's happening, weirdos? So glad you are here. I am in a hotel, clearly, which is why this doesn't look amazing or. And maybe even doesn't sound amazing. But, yeah, here I am. Here I am introducing you to a wonderful episode with Natasha Leggero, one of my favorite comedians of all time, one of my favorite people of all time, and she is amazing in this chat. It's her second time on, and she's here to talk about her new book, the World Deserves My Children, which I read is incredible. So funny, so good, so honest, so real. And Val, I got home and noticed that she had a copy on her bookshelf as well. So it is awesome. Check it out. And she's also on the World Deserves My Children tour. You can get tickets@Natasha Leggero.com she's going to be in Providence. Dania, Florida, where I was. Boston, Philly, all of those are coming up very soon. So go see Natasha Leggero on the road. I am also currently on tour as I am right now. I'm in Pittsburgh right now, followed by Buffalo, New York, Milwaukee, Minneapolis. That's going to be one one night in Minneapolis. I hope everybody can be there at the Pantages, the then Denver, Coming back to Denver. This is a new hour, guys. I hope you can be there. It's the Feeling it tour. I'm really proud of it. Hope you can make it. Also, Largo here in Los Angeles on September 5th is the next one. We've got some amazing guests as myself and myself as well. It's going to be a great show. Hope you can be there. Largo-la.com for tickets. All right, everybody, enjoy. Natasha Leggero. Get into it. Okay, we're starting now, but we're still gonna talk in this tone. Don't, like, put on some affectation. Just keep talking to me. I wanted to say that I. No.

[Natasha Leggero]

I come in here I am my real self. And now you want the affectation. No. Now you want to say everything I said and privacy.

[Pete Holmes]

No, we'll use none of that. I was spilling beans, too.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

You really do look great.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

Great look.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

Save it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Why?

[Pete Holmes]

I don't normally. I'm gonna tell you, I'm not. I'm not like, about, like, complimenting the guests. It's not like a. You know how like, talk show hosts are supposed to be like, stop, like for five minutes. So you must really look nice.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you. Well, I remember I was on your talk show as well.

[Pete Holmes]

You sure were. You've done a lot of. We've done a lot of things together. You in the crashing writers room.

[Natasha Leggero]

I feel like we started comedy together.

[Pete Holmes]

That's not true.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I started in 2000.

[Pete Holmes]

I like that. You just moved.

[Natasha Leggero]

You did, too. I feel like everyone in our.

[Pete Holmes]

I started in two years.

[Natasha Leggero]

Started in 2001. Me too. It was 2001, I swear to God. I'm not just saying that, but I do feel like everyone in our class kind of started around 2000. 2000.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, let me ask you this.

[Natasha Leggero]

Even though we were all in different.

[Pete Holmes]

Places, where were you?

[Natasha Leggero]

La.

[Pete Holmes]

New Orleans.

[Natasha Leggero]

I was in la, but, like, Moshe started into my husband Moshe. He started in 2001 in San Francisco.

[Pete Holmes]

By the way, in your book, when you're like. And my husband, I'm like, bitch, you read my book.

[Natasha Leggero]

The World Deserves My Children.

[Pete Holmes]

What a great title.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

We could talk for 30 minutes about. I really. I think there should be an award for titles.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, it actually. The COVID won an award. Does that. Maybe the title contributed.

[Pete Holmes]

We shot that. It's a great photo.

[Natasha Leggero]

Her name's Elizabeth Caron, and it was actually. Actually shot. Pardon her name.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not here to big up. Elizabeth. Karen.

[Natasha Leggero]

But here's what was funny about it.

[Pete Holmes]

Maybe Elizabeth Warren. Okay. That you're nice to laugh at that.

[Natasha Leggero]

This day, she came over. It was deep in the pandemic, and it's in my kitchen. And our nanny quit because there was too many people in the house.

[Pete Holmes]

Wow. That laugh was golden.

[Natasha Leggero]

So it did push her over the edge.

[Pete Holmes]

Wait, so that's not staged?

[Natasha Leggero]

No. I mean, no, it's staged, but it's my kitchen. But it's.

[Pete Holmes]

I love that you really used your child.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know. Well, she's kind of in the back, actually. Can I tell you something? So in the. I. I. Can your daughter read a little bit? Mine can read a little bit, but I am not looking forward to her being able to read.

[Pete Holmes]

When you asked me that, by the.

[Natasha Leggero]

Way, I was like, you didn't know?

[Pete Holmes]

No. I'm better than Moshe. That's what I learned from reading your book. I love that you're like, you can have a perfect man. And still. And I'm like, that's not a perfect man. If he's getting up, you tell him I said this. Of course we're recording it. Vaping. Eating his own breakfast while a baby's crying.

[Natasha Leggero]

I mean, there was Some. There was some learning curves he had to get through.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, Moshe's the king. I love him to death. He's one of my best friends, and I forgive and forget every single thing. But, you know, it's just a neuroses. It's a different.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's the difference between the mother and. But you're like, more of an active father who's, like, clocking in more.

[Pete Holmes]

I have a lot to say about this, and I'd rather hear what you have to say.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I just wanted to tell you that I told my daughter that I dedicated the book to her. And I said, she can't read. So I said, it says to my mother, my children, and my children's children. And she was like, well, what if I don't have a child? And I said, well, your kids can be your children. And she's like, well, what if I don't have any?

[Pete Holmes]

Wait.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, no. I'm sorry. I said what? I said, your animals could be your children. She's like, what if I don't have animals? And I was like, I don't know. Maybe the. You know, the plants in your yard can be your child. And she goes, my phone will be my child.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. How does she know? That's what I'm so like, I have.

[Pete Holmes]

A. I have a guess they know.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I'm just saying, I don't give her the phone. I don't give her an iPad. Like, I'm never like, here.

[Pete Holmes]

What's your.

[Natasha Leggero]

Look at my phone.

[Pete Holmes]

Take out your. What's your screen time? What's the screen.

[Natasha Leggero]

I actually am not.

[Pete Holmes]

There's no shame here. It's just we're all. You can't help but be on your phone.

[Natasha Leggero]

No. Someone had to explain to me who the hawktui girl is today.

[Pete Holmes]

Hawk to a hawk. I'm really enjoying your kids can be your kids and the hawktooey girl.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I guess my point is I'm kind of offline.

[Pete Holmes]

Me too. I'm like, I didn't know who the hawk to. By the. Can we step this out? I'm also. I have a person that does Jake who's amazing. Does my socials.

[Natasha Leggero]

Laura. Shout out to my podcast producer. She helps me do my. Do my social media. I can't do it.

[Pete Holmes]

Do what?

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't want to put pictures of myself on Instagram. Yeah, I mean, I will and I do, but living. You just said, but I don't want to.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's like going to an audition or something.

[Pete Holmes]

I understand, but do you it doesn't. Somebody is running it for you for the most part anyway. Here's my experience. This is. I want to share two things with you, and I'm going to throw it to you. One, the hawk to a girl. What the fuck? What? Mass hypnosis is the world under that. That was anything like. I had a lot of people explain that to me. They were like, it's her charm. She's charming. She's, like, drunk. She's got a great drawl. I watched. I was like, this is nothing. That. That only makes sense if you're eating the Internet for 12 hours a day and then that comes through. It's a good relief hitter if you're just in reality and consuming. I'm sorry, I'm gonna get on a high horse here. But if you're watching good television, good film, reading good books, talking to good people, looking at fucking real shit, and someone shows you the hawk to a girl, I'm fucking proud that I'm like, this is zero. This is zero. You've been. You know those old Apple commercials where they're like, walking in a dystopian future? Those are the idiots that are like, hawk to a girl. Like, they're wearing, like, gray flour sack onesies. They're all shaved. They have numbers on their eyebrows. Those are the fucking.

[Natasha Leggero]

Everybody. Because.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know I'm exaggerating. I'm exaggerating. But that only makes me sad that Bill Maher was like, how do I stay engaged with the young people? Give me the hug too, girl. So people fucking don't just be. Be old Bill. Say it's dumb. Get out.

[Natasha Leggero]

People love her because she.

[Pete Holmes]

People don't love her.

[Natasha Leggero]

She said that. You said spit on a dick. Spit on a dick before you when.

[Pete Holmes]

You give a blow job. I believe. I hate that we're talking about. Okay, no, I. I secretly.

[Natasha Leggero]

I didn't want.

[Pete Holmes]

I secretly don't. I want to like posture that. I hate it. But I. I'm loving it.

[Natasha Leggero]

I mean, it. It's. It's no. No mystery that this has taken the world by storm. I mean, this is where we're at culturally. I hear that this is what we are. It could have been emotion. My husband is eating the Internet and he's always. I don't understand most of the things. Things that he finds really hilarious online because I'm not on there.

[Pete Holmes]

We're having the same conversation if you're not getting a steady diet of it. I just did after midnight, and Maria Bamford showed a video of a taper getting its chin scratched. And I was like, this is less than zero.

[Natasha Leggero]

This is Bamford. She's not on the Internet all the time.

[Pete Holmes]

You don't think. You don't think she's scrolling?

[Natasha Leggero]

I'll.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm going to say it. Yes, she is. You don't think Bamford's scrolling?

[Natasha Leggero]

I love it.

[Pete Holmes]

You think she just happened to find one taper video?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, but she's always doing her own thing. Like, I took a figure drawing class with Maria Bamford at this place called wizard of Art, and there was a naked woman in front of us, and we're drawing.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Natasha Leggero]

And I looked at her page, and she was just drawing her pugs. I'm just saying she's on her own trip.

[Pete Holmes]

She is on her own trip. Look, you caught you. Like, I glitched because I was thinking of riffs. And then I was like, which ones are appropriate? Which ones are. You know. So I stepped out for a second. But that's a great little anecdote. I mean, that's a. That's a grand slam anecdote.

[Natasha Leggero]

Into her. Into her is like a unique artist.

[Pete Holmes]

It's an. It's an amazing story. Like when she wins the Mark Twain Award, which she should, because she's incredible. You'd say, maria's one of a kind. I took a figure and you tell that story. It's amazing. The second Internet story I wanted to tell you, and then I'm really putting it to you. If you're not consuming it on the regs. We are sort of like, I don't know, we're out of. I'm very proud to be out of the loop, but one of the After Midnight writers showed me a couple clips that she loved, one of which was a woman feeding ducks, and the ducks start attacking her. Have you seen this? Of course we haven't, because we're all just fucking satellites. We used to live on the same moon, and now we're all just satellites in the big black dark. And you don't know what my algorithm's showing me. Anyway. It's a woman feeding ducks. And the ducks start biting her. And she's like, oh, oh, no, no, no. And I'm like, this is fake.

[Natasha Leggero]

They can't even tell.

[Pete Holmes]

They can't tell that. You know what I'm saying? Then she shows me, like, look, I don't even know.

[Natasha Leggero]

Everyone's waking up every day being like, if I could just get a virus.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what I'm saying. Even an old lady in Italy, apparently. Cause she's like, oh, do dogs. Dogs. And then as soon as the ducks start, first of all, she's holding that hand out. She knows these ducks. She knows these ducks. And she's holding her hand out. She start. The ducks start biting her. And she's like, oh, no, no, no. And doesn't pull her hand away and keeps filming. Do you know what the fuck is happening?

[Natasha Leggero]

And who's filming?

[Pete Holmes]

She's filming and she's like, oh, I'll just keep shooting. That's fake. And what's troubling is that.

[Natasha Leggero]

Or it's like her grandson told her to do it and is kind of helping her maybe.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, just keep filming. Keep those ducks that bite you. Keep filming it. But, like, it would have been one thing if she was like, I think it's fake, but it's funny. But that wasn't the. They were like, this is the funny. She makes the funniest sound. I was like, this is clearly fake. Then they were like, let me show my other favorite one. And this dude, he goes, can you chug a hole lacroix and not burp? And he chugs it and then he. He spits them up in the fakest spit up that I've ever seen. You know what I mean? Like, you know when you're like, oh, I can't keep it in my mouth. Really? You can't chuck one can of LaCroix? And then he goes, what do you do? And he turns. Hits his head on a garage door. Why did you turn? Why did he get. So he turns and then he falls down.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's like Kramer and the after Midnight people told you these were two of their favorite.

[Pete Holmes]

They were like, these are. This is why you should be on TikTok was the. Was the cell. And they go, look at this. And I go, this is also fake. So what's happening is like, we're post truth. Even our post truth. Post truth is post truth. Like, nothing is. It's beyond. It's beyond the pale.

[Natasha Leggero]

I tried to do TikTok and I got on and then this. I watched this video like nine times because I couldn't figure out what was happening. And this girl was putting on a fake butt. And then I was like, well, now I've already watched this too many times. This is going to be my algorithm. So I never went back.

[Pete Holmes]

I worry about that too, because I.

[Natasha Leggero]

Was like, I watched this too many times. Yeah, now it's pure garbage.

[Pete Holmes]

God help you if you accidentally click an ad.

[Natasha Leggero]

But why was that?

[Pete Holmes]

God help you.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know. I mean, it's just like I'm just. I just am very saddened by the whole thing and my kind of. My mission in life to the point where I almost want to stop my career is to keep my child engaged and entertained and not an offline, you know, like, however I can try to do that, like being present and not just like being on my phone.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

But also I fail too. But I try to at least have her not see. I almost kind of try to sneak it in the other room so she doesn't think she lives with two people who are always staring at their phones.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. Cuz there's definitely one person feed bags on their face. You know what I mean? As soon as you go away, you're.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, that's what I'm doing.

[Pete Holmes]

Huh? There's oats. There's oats all over your face. Well, dad, I'm just living in the same reality you are.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh my God. How did you encapsulate?

[Pete Holmes]

Because that's my life too. But I. I was just gonna say I'm very. I keep my screen minimal and I'm proud of that. There's a lot of effort in that. And still just like. I hate, I hate people texting. Stop it. Stop texting me. You're all jacked up on some energy drink and you're firing off.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, you don't even want people texting you. Oh, I like that for sure. It's they're your friends.

[Pete Holmes]

Nah, fucking beat it.

[Natasha Leggero]

What do you want?

[Pete Holmes]

Sup, man? Fucking scram is what's up.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's what's up. What do you want? How do you want to engage with your friends?

[Pete Holmes]

Do you want to engage with your friends? Jk, I just. Let me say it more real because I am exaggerating. I don't like looking at my phone and seeing that there's 15 texts. Val feels this way all the time. I see her ripping through replies and it's like a little job we have. It's the same thing with Netflix. Have you seen baby reindeer? What, do I work for Netflix? What, do I gotta sit in a screening room like a 1970s executive and smoke cigars and just show me the new season? Like, I can't keep up with all.

[Natasha Leggero]

These things, but there is so much stuff that if five people tell you to watch something, then maybe you would watch it.

[Pete Holmes]

Maybe. I'm just saying it's hard to keep up. And I know you relate because I go to the bathroom to do my texts and I'll take like a, like a 10 minute sit, pee I'm sitting to pee just so I can rip.

[Natasha Leggero]

Through some text so your daughter doesn't see you.

[Pete Holmes]

She always comes in. She always comes in.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, you know what my kids doing.

[Pete Holmes]

By the way, this is only post kids. Pre kids.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't give pre kids. Of course I love to text.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'll zone out for hours.

[Pete Holmes]

And God help you if you send me an audio message.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

And you see that it's three minutes and four seconds. I've never sent one either. And you'd think they'd get the message when you keep replying to their fucking epic poems with a text.

[Natasha Leggero]

Only certain people do that. It's a personality type. Yeah, it's definitely, it's invasive.

[Pete Holmes]

Here, let me be your whole reality for three minutes.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait.

[Pete Holmes]

The balls.

[Natasha Leggero]

You're so right. It's very much like, Listen to me, listen to this. You, you can't do this while doing anything else. Give me your full engagement now.

[Pete Holmes]

You know what I like about talking.

[Natasha Leggero]

About famous people kind of too or people is people who think of the like, who are very self involved.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm gonna orate to you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like stand up in text form. It's just me talk.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, I have to tell you though. What, what my daughter started doing now is.

[Pete Holmes]

You don't say your daughter's name, do you?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I'd rather not.

[Pete Holmes]

Can I give a clue?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, no, that's like the opposite of what I want. I'm just trying to protect her in some way. She already is saying like, mom, don't say anything I say to you on stage or to friends.

[Pete Holmes]

Wait, so she's only a little bit older than Leela, right?

[Natasha Leggero]

She's. Yeah, but she's just very like, like she's really concerned. Like she said, mom, I really want to be popular next year.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, she's six.

[Natasha Leggero]

She's six. She just seems a little like a seventh grader or something.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that I, I socially, I think this is cool. But there's no concern here. I'm like, wow.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, like she's just very tuned in to social dynamics.

[Pete Holmes]

Three dimensional chess.

[Natasha Leggero]

But also it's not like she can read yet or anything like that. It's just the social aspect of things. But, but she, but now since she knows, like I don't really let her on my phone, she, mom, can you look up? Can you just use your phone? And like she uses me as the Internet. She's like, can you Google what the biggest ice cream cone ever was? Like, she always wants to Google something. That she's thought of, like, the biggest something.

[Pete Holmes]

Camera pans much is in his underwear vaping huge plumes of vape. He's on an iPad.

[Natasha Leggero]

He's not vaping anymore. Now he has these disgusting pods that he stores like a chipmunk in his.

[Pete Holmes]

Talk to Mosh about them.

[Natasha Leggero]

They're so disgusting.

[Pete Holmes]

And then off the neck. I'm off the neck.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. I was chewing the gum. Oh, do you don't have any?

[Pete Holmes]

Ah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Do you have anything?

[Pete Holmes]

You wanted some. I'm sure there's some in the studio. There's definitely some.

[Natasha Leggero]

I was having to order it.

[Pete Holmes]

It's. You want some? There's definitely an old piece of gum.

[Natasha Leggero]

I told you. It was like getting caught in my dog's fur. It was like. Because we would always be taking the gum out.

[Pete Holmes]

They would eat it.

[Natasha Leggero]

They would, like, get stuck in it. Nicorette not good.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's one of the reasons I didn't want Leela to know her dad was beholden to something. It was like an ego quit. I didn't want. First of all, I don't want to be beholden to something. Something, you know? Now I've been off nicotine for, I don't know, a lot since March. So what is it, July? So that's a long time. And what I love about it. You'll get it right away. When I'm leaving the house, I go, phone, wallet, leave. Instead of phone, wallet. How many pieces do I have? And, like, how many do I think I'm gonna want today?

[Natasha Leggero]

Do you feel like you have an addictive personality?

[Pete Holmes]

Yes, absolutely. And E2 Brutus.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, that's what I'm saying.

[Pete Holmes]

Brute.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't know. I feel bad that I kind of need vice in my life. You don't want any vice?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I just. But look, I'm gonna sound like a 90s dare commercial. I like having vices. But you don't have nicotine. Nicotine's got you. It does, right? It's got you.

[Natasha Leggero]

I could kind of moonlight and, like, have a little here and there.

[Pete Holmes]

Not me.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right?

[Pete Holmes]

That's why I hate these guys. I don't hate these guys, but the. The neuroscientists that are kind of like, nicotine's good. It's good for productivity. They're all like, just keep it under 6 milligrams a day. I'm like, by the end, Moshe, by the way, those pouches are probably six each. And he told me he's putting, like, two in his mouth. That's what it does.

[Natasha Leggero]

So he's on, like, 50 grams of nic of nicotine a day, probably.

[Pete Holmes]

Great. I mean, it's. That's. That's not that bad. I bet he's more than that.

[Natasha Leggero]

How many were you on?

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, once I went to the pouches. The pouches are like.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's like they're so disgusting. I feel like I.

[Pete Holmes]

Car battery. Yeah, they are disgusting. They make you nauseous immediately, but they jack you up. And I was definitely doing at least 10 of the. More than that. Probably. Probably 15 of those. So that's way more than 60 milligrams.

[Natasha Leggero]

They should let you drink it or something.

[Pete Holmes]

That's the problem.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I want to have the jolt also. Why does your daughter need to know about that? The patches are so.

[Pete Holmes]

She already was noticing. Look, that's not the main reason, but I didn't want Leila to know that I was just, like. Just. There's something about it. It makes me feel like a rat in a cage that, like, has to keep pushing.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know. You're right.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm like. And when I don't have it. Let's put it. Here's another funny way to put it. I don't need another reason to be in a bad mood. You know what I mean?

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't have my gum. I can't find it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Someone texted me. My friend texted me.

[Pete Holmes]

My friend.

[Natasha Leggero]

That what really gets you? What's wrong with you? You don't want to text your friends back?

[Pete Holmes]

When. When are we to do these things? You know, this is what your book is about. Your wonderful book. The World is deserving of My Children.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, it's called the World Deserves My Children.

[Pete Holmes]

The world is deserved. You type in the.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's not that hard.

[Pete Holmes]

I knew that by the way you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Were saying what a great title it was.

[Pete Holmes]

It was a comedy routine. And also, you type in the world is deserving of My children. It definitely would come up. Nice. Nice move.

[Natasha Leggero]

Possibly. Nice flex.

[Pete Holmes]

Good for you.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm very proud of my book, actually. Pete, you would like. The opening of my book is all about my. No. Oh, you. Yes. It's all about. I was at my Trump part or my election party, which, by the way, do you think that we should have another election party because.

[Pete Holmes]

Cleanse the palette.

[Natasha Leggero]

But then also, we've already been there, and we already. We've already been traumatized by another Trump presidency. Trumpetized. So we had this party in my pool, and no one thought he was going to win. Yeah, we were definitely.

[Pete Holmes]

I was in this.

[Natasha Leggero]

In the bubble, and I Got up.

[Pete Holmes]

To pee at like one in the morning and like, refreshed the map page and was like, oh, you didn't know I left early. I left your party, but I think a lot. No offense to you as a host, but it got depressing.

[Natasha Leggero]

It got depressed.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, no, I'm in Natasha's pool watching the election.

[Natasha Leggero]

We knew when. As soon as he won Michigan. Because I went to my most famous or not my most famous, my most most political, politically informed friend.

[Pete Holmes]

Hug to a girl. She' You're Jake on Gaza.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm gonna show you the video.

[Pete Holmes]

I can't handle that. He had her on. That's like a lawyer chasing an ambulance. That's what that is. There's a trend, like.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, it was also his. His podcast where he gets high.

[Pete Holmes]

Sucks worse. Sucks worse. Because it. That's. That's your frontier. I booked you. If it was on real time, I'd be like, maybe there was some pressure. He. He was like, I'll talk to her. Why? Why Hot take.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, anyway, you don't want to. Trump want to.

[Pete Holmes]

Shots fire against Bill Maher. Trump, you're trying to get on real time.

[Natasha Leggero]

1. No, I would not want to get on real time because I don't feel informed enough. Yeah, I mean, if you wanted to talk about something that I really care about, like, I would love to ban social media for high school. Up until your high school, you know, like, that's something that I care about. But anyway, I could be more informed. But as soon as I asked my friend at the party, he's like, if Trump wins Michigan, he wins.

[Pete Holmes]

Who do you ask?

[Natasha Leggero]

My friend Ethan Gold. Because he's just like, really smart, politically savvy.

[Pete Holmes]

The other Elon Gold.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, he's not related to Elon Gold. But. But yeah. And then when that happened, things got weird and, like, people started crying.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, really?

[Natasha Leggero]

And I got motion. I got into a huge fight. I. It was like popping balloons that were like celebrating everything.

[Pete Holmes]

It was just like the detail in your book of packing up the. The party poppers and the yeah. Makers is really sad.

[Natasha Leggero]

But then I was like, you know what? It made me think I'm not going to have a kid. Like, I can't be in a world where this person is the president. You know, like, just the way he talked about women, I just didn't think that that would be a possibility to talk about women that kind of way and still be able to be like the highest person in charge and in our country. So I don't know. It was just like really kind of traumatizing for me.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Anyway, hope you like the book. And it just got re. Released on paperback.

[Pete Holmes]

Natasha, you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Because it was a critical success.

[Pete Holmes]

You did have a child.

[Natasha Leggero]

I had a child right after.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what changed?

[Natasha Leggero]

You know, I just. I was able to have one because I had frozen my. It's all about my egg journey, this book. And I had frozen my eggs and I think I had eight. And then Moshe jizzed on them and became, you know, they became four embryos. He did it. I Hawk. I did Hawk Tua on his dick.

[Pete Holmes]

We need to book that guy that jizzed all over those eggs. Get the guy that jizzed on the touch his frozen eggs.

[Natasha Leggero]

She did not disappoint though. I mean, she was definitely just like, huh. He was like, asking her about the moon landing and she was just like, what?

[Pete Holmes]

Huh?

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't know. I never think about that.

[Pete Holmes]

A woman that volunteered for an Internet interview on the streets at 1am Wasn't paying out in a show business way. This is. I can't handle this.

[Natasha Leggero]

It was cute in a very apocalyptic way.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Well, that's what came to mind is idiocracy. I'm sure you've heard the idiocracy argument.

[Natasha Leggero]

What is it? I mean, I loved that movie when it came out.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, just that you're like, I won't have a kid because the world is getting crazy.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And it's like, well, you should. I mean that. That's one argument to say you should have a kid because, you know, you might be grotesquely outnumbered.

[Natasha Leggero]

Exactly. Well, that's kind of what the book. But is about too. Like, in other cultures, people have kids not for this generation, but for like five generations in the future.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

So I think that after a lot of struggling and then it actually did happen, I was able to. One of the embryos worked and that's my daughter. So I was just really happy about that.

[Pete Holmes]

What's your name again? And yeah, so it's a message of hope and for other people. Because it is funny. Like there's.

[Natasha Leggero]

I mean, it's a comedy book.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I understand, but no, I've read it. It's very funny. It's. You're a great writer.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

And I love. I love the way you read it. I listened to it.

[Natasha Leggero]

You did? Yeah, on the way here. You listened to a half hour of it.

[Pete Holmes]

You think my commute is a half hour? You know where I live?

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I ripped into. I feel like a good half of it.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's not that long.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what I'm saying.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, Moshe has a new book out, and it's like three times the length of mine. And he's always like, oh, you haven't finished my book yet. Because he'll say something. And I'm like, huh? He's like, it's in my book. But it's just like, really long.

[Pete Holmes]

How can Moshe have a bowl of Fruity Pebbles while the baby is crying? Did you know, Val told me there's a study. Have you noticed this trend?

[Natasha Leggero]

It has to do with self love. Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

You think he loves himself more?

[Natasha Leggero]

I think his. I think he was very loved.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I think you might be onto something. I don't know, though. I can't hear my baby crying and. And digest food at the same time.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, that's something. He tells me. He's like, you just need to get over her crying.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a really hot take. Like, do you plug him in at all?

[Natasha Leggero]

Is it like. Like teen dad?

[Pete Holmes]

Is it what?

[Natasha Leggero]

It's like teen dad, like a D16 and pregnant. Like one of those teenage boys.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, when I. One of the reasons why parenting is so annoying is that my daughter's cry goes straight to my nervous system.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, not all people are like that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, like Moshe.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's more of like a mother. A mother's thing.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, this is the study I was going to tell you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes, Val was telling you.

[Pete Holmes]

He said that when it comes to, like, dopamine, I believe it's dopamine. Women, mothers who play who, sorry, nurture their daughters.

[Natasha Leggero]

Nurse.

[Pete Holmes]

Not nurse, nurture.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Just, like, cuddle with them, snuggle, whatever it might be. They both get a huge dopamine spike. And dads that play with their kids, they get a bigger dopamine spike than flipping it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Then Dad's cuddling, Dad's cuddling.

[Pete Holmes]

Lower dopamine for both of them. Mom's playing lower dopamine for both of them. And this is the. The B side of this question is, have you noticed as a parent, there's just like, a lot more gender, like, normal. Like, people are, like, talking more. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. There's just more of, like, we have boys, they're insane. You know what I mean? Like that.

[Natasha Leggero]

But simultaneously, we're trying to be more fluid.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what I mean. Except when the parents are at the playground, there's a lot of. It's like 1951 in those conversations a lot of the time where they're like, we have a boy. You know what the that is? Because they mean the kid. The boys are annoying. Crazy.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And when Leela plays with a boy, by the way, I'm not taking a side here. I'm all. I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I'm just saying, like, if Leela's playing with a boy and she comes and there's like, an arrow in her head, I'm like, yeah, that's. That's pretty normal.

[Natasha Leggero]

They do seem pretty wild.

[Pete Holmes]

Boys seem insane to me.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I'm sure that at some point we're gonna regret having girls. I just don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

It's just later, we're the people that. We won the lottery and we got, like, a installment plan. People that get. Boys get the lump.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right? Because it's really hard at the beginning.

[Pete Holmes]

Let's get it all out on top. And then I have actually heard that the boys. See, again, this is gender normative. Like, and I'm acknowledging that, but I've heard a lot of my friends who have boyfriend assigned male at birth children say that later they. They chill out and they become the, like, low maintenance.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, none of us can save our kids from seeing, you know, double anal on the playground now because all the kids have phones. And now our kids. Well, that's just what I'm thinking is gonna happen. Our principal at our. Our school was like, the sixth graders are showing the little kids porn on the playground. You know, in the public school. Like, they don't. And this is what I understand. They take the kids stuffies away from them, but they let them have their phones. Because I think a lot of the parents are divorced. And so the parents are like, I need to be able to get in touch with my kid. And then I'm like, I've even asked the principal. I'm like, well, why are the kids allowed to get online? Because they break into the firewall. Like, there is a firewall protecting it in the playground, but the kids know how to break into it. So they're just sitting in the back of the room playing video games. And then on the playground, she's like, well, they're not really supposed to look at their phones unless another teacher's present. But it's like, hello? Like, of course they are. They're, like, in the corner. I know, I know. And so I'm just, like, scared for, like, my kid. Like, what. What's gonna. What they're gonna be exposed to.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I hate what you just told me. Look at my face. I hate it. Sorry. There's, like, no part of me that's like, this is a fun interview. No, no, no.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no. In that moment, I. I'll talk about.

[Natasha Leggero]

This on Bill Ma.

[Pete Holmes]

But wonderful. Next up is the guy they're climbing in your windows, snatching your people up. That guy, remember him? He's gonna come in and weigh in on the election. What a dystopian universe we're living in.

[Natasha Leggero]

I know, I know. Well, it's part of the world. What this. This is. Isn't this what you're trying to make sense of on your podcast and with.

[Pete Holmes]

Which is all the noise?

[Natasha Leggero]

Spirituality and with life and, like, don't you want people to listen to this and try. Help. Help try to process things?

[Pete Holmes]

One of the things I found challenging about your book was that it starts, and I say this in a. I think it's wonderful. It starts with like, the world's so crazy. Why should we have kids? And I'm like, I.

[Natasha Leggero]

You never thought about it.

[Pete Holmes]

You were just like, well, I think it's interesting.

[Natasha Leggero]

Here's my seed kind of thing. And then Val did a little hawk tooie.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, God.

[Natasha Leggero]

And then. Wait. Hawk tui.

[Pete Holmes]

By the way, you can't.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I've changed it.

[Pete Holmes]

You're changing it to your. You're rebranding it?

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm gonna write a song. No.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, God. Somebody's auto tuned her for sure. The clip isn't long enough.

[Natasha Leggero]

So you felt bad that when you listened to my audiobook, I was, like, stressing you out about all the reasons to not have a child? Well, there are so many reasons. I mean, and there's a whole movement of people who, you know, don't want to have kids and think it's actually bad for the world to bring kids into it. And probably our kids are going to be pissed. They're gonna be like, wait, so you guys just use, like, plastic water bottles all. And then you thought those were recyclable, but you also knew they weren't recyclable, but you would just use, like, six plastic water bottles a day? Like, I don't know, like, they're just gonna be confused as to, like, what our deal is.

[Pete Holmes]

Do you spend a lot of your time being confused at what our parents generation?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, but I'm not going to be living during coastal change. Like, I'm not going to be living when, like, refugees are, like, coming to, like, from all the corners of. Of the world to, like, take, you know, to share the resources and mass destruction and. Yeah, water wars. I don't know. Don't you think it's going to get bad?

[Pete Holmes]

I think every generation. Look, I'm not an expert. I'm like, you going on real, real time. But I really do think that there's, like, it's hard to talk about this because I want to have respect for that, and I think we should be.

[Natasha Leggero]

You want to have respect for what?

[Pete Holmes]

That perspective. And we should be acting as if that's going to happen and make you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Think maybe there's not. That the scientists are wrong and there won't be, like, parts are going to go under, like, parts of the country, parts of the world.

[Pete Holmes]

That. This is the first. That's the first I've heard of that. That. That's what you meant.

[Natasha Leggero]

There'll be coastal change. That, like, Florida is going to go underwater a little bit in, like, 50 years. No. Am I. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Pete Holmes]

I think we have different algorithms.

[Natasha Leggero]

My algorithm is just like, it's a.

[Pete Holmes]

Little gloom and doom. You should not tune into this podcast to decide what to do in terms of environmental change. But I do, as a general philosophy. I'm like, we. We will figure it out. There's going to be a way.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, I didn't know this about you.

[Pete Holmes]

And you sell a lot more clicks and stuff by being like, these people think Florida is going to be underwater. That's a way more compelling story.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait. Well, that's very interesting. I like being. I like a positive outlook.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, you can if you want, and I have. You can Google the Times. Look, I don't think this should justify bad behavior, but you can look at the predictions of science from the past and where they were wrong. And I. There was one that was like, by 2018, we won't have any fish. And it's like, well, that's. That one's not real. But I mean, by the way, this, this sort of information can so easily be manipulated and weaponized.

[Natasha Leggero]

And that's. I understand that, but some things that are also bad are, like, all the billionaires, you know, like, the amount of billionaires that we have to watch these billionaires compete to be the first trillionaire. Like, stuff like, that's never happened. So the corruption at least, is, like, being ramped up. So, yeah, that's what I worry about, and that's what I worried about in having a child. But, yeah, you know what? I'm. I'm gonna. I, I, obviously, I, I'm like, exactly like the horse thing, you know, Like, I try to be so positive with her. And I'm like, she's this angel, and life is amazing. And it's almost like they're a drug or something because they're. You know, when you're. Well, in a way, because, like, when you're around them, it's like joy and like, you know, you're. They're so funny and cute, and they're saying amazing things and.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. And I think there might be some wisdom to that meaning greater than us. Like, we might be having kids for completely the wrong reason.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, I hope that I'm also, like, showing her a good way to be in the world.

[Pete Holmes]

Speaking of which, that is to show all my cards. That's what I'm doing. Way more than having my own opinion. I'm just sort of doing what my dad did, which was always like, it's okay. Don't worry. Just, like, these things have a way of working out. And whether. I know there are people probably screaming at the radios, being like, well, wake up, sheeple. And I get that, but it takes all kinds.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, that's.

[Pete Holmes]

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[Natasha Leggero]

But, you know, I know. And, like, there's so much mundane activities to having a child. Like, I was just in Europe with my kid for three weeks. We just got back yesterday. And it's literally, like, I probably told her to stop climbing on a ruin. Like, every five seconds, I'm just like, get down, get down. Please stop walking like that. Please. Please get off of, like, climbing up, like, you know, in France, like, or, you know, like, nice buildings. Like, she wants to. Like, she's like, but I like to climb. I'm like, right. But not. Not when we're walking down the street. And like, when you're on a walking kind of vacation, it's like. It was just like, a lot of repeating and repeating and repeating. We went to Nice, and we went to Cinque Terre in Italy, and then we went to Sicily, and then we went to my favorite place, which was Austria. I did. I was able to talk my husband out of visiting Hitler's vacation home. Oh, In Vienna. But I guess that went on vacation. Well, Hitler had a country house in Vienna, so we went to Vienna, which is amazing. I didn't. And I'm like, wait, this city is.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, I'm having a hard time with a vacationing Hitler. I gotta be real.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I mean, him in shorts.

[Pete Holmes]

Those little Nazi shorts.

[Natasha Leggero]

I. We were. We were. We were kind of piggybacking on someone else's vacation. So they were like, we all. We also want to end the vacation in Vienna and straws in Salzburg. And I was like, okay, well, I've never been to any of those places. Don't know anything about them, really. And we got there. I'm like, wow, this is like a utopia. Like, Vienna is like, a large city, but, like, every single bit of it is like, you know, like, the nicest street on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan. And then, like, castles everywhere and fountains, and all the public spaces look like private spaces. And it's just like this beautiful. And you bike everywhere and. And then I remember it was where the Nazis started. So it was. You know, because I was like, wait, there's got to be something wrong with this place, because it really does feel like this utopia. Oh, there's no construction. You know, like, you go to San Francisco or you go to New York or any city, and it's just, like, construction everywhere. They're bulldozing, and it's just, like, a bummer. And I don't think they can have construction there because it's like, all old palaces. So it's like. But it's Very modern. I don't know. I just really loved it. And then Salzburg, we went and went on a Sound of Music tour, a biking tour. So you go to all the places where Sound of Music took place. It was really fun.

[Pete Holmes]

Wait.

[Natasha Leggero]

It was so cute.

[Pete Holmes]

Not like, doesn't most of the Sound of Music take place in that, like, a mansion? Like, is.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, but you go to the place. Go to the outdoor place where she sings the iconic.

[Pete Holmes]

I mean, do they close with that?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, it was so funny because the. The tour guide was this, like, such a cute guy. I have to shout out. I think they're called, like, Fraulein Maria Tours if anyone's going to Salzburg. But he was like, yeah, he was like this. This gay guy. And he does, like, loves Julie Andrews. He goes, this is my penance. I paid a Julie Andrews. I come here four months out of the year and give these tours. But then he was playing the whole soundtrack to the Hills Are Alive with the. To the whole soundtrack to the Sound of Music, like, every single song on his, like, speaker. And he's making each of us carry the speaker in our baskets of our bike. But it's so embarrassing because it's like, like blaring. Like, you know, I am 16 going on 17, and you're like, biking through Salzburg and the locals are, like, staring at you. And Moshe's like, get this out of my bicycle.

[Pete Holmes]

Wait, did you all have a speaker?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, he kept making like it was turn. So when it was my turn, I was just. I was kind of embarrassed because it's like, blaring and it's like, you know, you're biking, there's like, pub. It's a public park. But then the guy told us that most of the. Most of the Austrians, they don't even know about this musical. It's like an American musical.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, sure.

[Natasha Leggero]

So anyway, they just thought we were having a good time in there. Gorgeous city. Definitely going to be going there when the apocalypse happens that you don't know about.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, my God.

[Natasha Leggero]

But Vienna was amazing. Oh, but yes, I would. Just had to keep. It's just. Do you do that with your kid? Like, it's crazy how much you just have to repeat things in a good mood. Like, like, nope, I told you, please don't hang on the door. Don't hang on that. No, don't climb up that. Yeah, you just have to, like, keep repeating things. You're. And, like, watching her in Europe too, like, you know, I'm kind of like, worried for her safety a little bit. So I I don't know these streets, so it's like, it just puts this other level on everything that's, like, not exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. I wanted. Like, you're relaxed. One of the reasons why your book is so, like, important. Like, you open with these wonderful quotes about how women are, like, livestock from, like, the turn of the century. Like, these horrible.

[Natasha Leggero]

Someone else.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah. Not you. Not your quotes. Like, someone wrote a book at the turn of the century, and. And there. There's been such a history. Like Jesse Klein. Did you read Jesse Klein's book?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, but I love her writing.

[Pete Holmes]

You got to read her book about parenting. I'm. I'm. I'm blanking on what it's called, but it's unbelievable. But it's really in the same way that your book is super essential and healing people.

[Natasha Leggero]

Just get hers instead.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, probably. If you. It's one of these, like, if you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Can'T remember the name of it. So wait, but tell me what.

[Pete Holmes]

I think you should leave.

[Natasha Leggero]

I bet that's not it. That would be funny, though.

[Pete Holmes]

Katie's on it.

[Natasha Leggero]

A parenting book that's on it. Well, she is an excellent writer, but I have to say, I'm also. I'm also a really good writer.

[Pete Holmes]

I'll show myself out as the one.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay. Like it? Love it.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Great title. She's very funny.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

What were you saying?

[Pete Holmes]

Just that a new, like, the modern woman speaking honestly about parenting and how difficult it is is very. It's closing a gap. It's closing a circle. You know what I mean? There was all this, like, silence and quiet and just suffering and taking it on the chin and. And, like, these books that are going like, this is really, really hard. And really, really. The. The expectation put on you specifically is really, really hard.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. And especially when you're doing it later. You know, you're. You're doing it like. Well, not everyone. You're doing it later. Val's not.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

As old as me, so, I mean, I. I kind of didn't have a lot of options for, you know, I froze my eggs, and I'm glad I did that when I was 38, but I was kind of doing it, like, with joie de vivre. I was just like, well, maybe I'll need these at some point.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

So I'm very glad that I did that, because at the time, I didn't really want to have a baby. But then it's like, that's the last time you physically can have one is when you're like, wait, I'm not Ready yet? So it is weird that this, like, there's like this 10 year jump almost with a lot of people I know. So then you're having your. Yeah. It's just, you know, women. I think there's going to be a lot of reckonings.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

For women.

[Pete Holmes]

And being honest about it, I, I not Even in the 80s, I feel like it was impolite. If you'd written a book like this, people would be like, loudmouth. Natasha Legero feeling a little too sassy and not knowing her place. Natasha Leggero is blasted into the scene with an inappropriate.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's true. It's so true.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. But it's really helpful, I think, because of parenting. Well, you tell me. It can be really lonely when you're going like, this is way harder than I thought it was gonna be. And it, I feel like, unsafe to share that. And a little bit isolated. Like, maybe I'm doing it, it wrong or maybe I'm an idiot or something.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, honestly, part of me getting off social media was my algorithm was only people telling me I was doing it wrong. You know, like millennial doctors being like, you don't ever say this to your child. Like, she'd be like, 10 things to never say to your child.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

And it's like, all things I say all the time. Never say be careful. That'll give them a complex you have, you know, Never, never say good job. Always say, you worked really hard on that. And like, now my daughter, I'll be like, you worked really hard on that. She's like, no, I didn't. Like, she just kind of like, on to me and I'm like, wait, why am I talking to her like this? Like, I hate it.

[Pete Holmes]

These are just the freshest guesses I know.

[Natasha Leggero]

And it's like, we don't know what this generation has. Grown up is gonna grow. Grow up to Lasik. Yeah. Is there. So is Lasik gonna have some, like, bad.

[Pete Holmes]

We don't know.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

This is what I'm saying is this kind of goes back to my view about like coastal sinking and all that sort of stuff is in 10 years we're going to be worried about something else. And in 10 years we're gonna be telling the parents that they did something insane that they definitely should have done that did irrevocable damage to all these children. That's why this generation is this way. It's inevitable.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, I can't believe you don't think that AI with the billionaires within the environment is not gonna, like, be so bad in like, two years.

[Pete Holmes]

You think two years.

[Natasha Leggero]

I think the world is going to be ending very soon. I also did predict Trump's presidency.

[Pete Holmes]

You did?

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. I had.

[Pete Holmes]

Why'd you have that party?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I. I did a joke about it on my first cd, Coke Money, and I was like, you know, soon there's gonna be reality star shows. It's gonna. There's. Trump's gonna be the pr. I'm just saying.

[Pete Holmes]

Really?

[Natasha Leggero]

It was like that kind of thing. I wasn't like, I. I am Nostradamus. I'm just saying, like, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But anyway, that's like something you hear in hip hop. And you did that. That's so cool. Like, usually they're like this Tupac lyric predicted Great British Bake Off. It's like, how did he know?

[Natasha Leggero]

I actually am really cool. Pete, thank you so much.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, you are very cool.

[Natasha Leggero]

I had the first podcast, too.

[Pete Holmes]

What do you mean?

[Natasha Leggero]

I had the first podcast with Duncan.

[Pete Holmes]

That was the first one.

[Natasha Leggero]

I think so. I remember Chris Hardwick came over, and he was like, wait, what is this? You just like.

[Pete Holmes]

I love that you jump if Chris Hardwick didn't know.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm just saying. Every Single was like, 2008 or something, and every single comedian who came over the next day, they started a podcast. Okay, I had one of the first comedian podcasts. I did. Why do you think this is funny?

[Pete Holmes]

Because you said I had the first podcast.

[Natasha Leggero]

I did, actually. You didn't. Okay. Who had a podcast? You know who had one? Laura Swisher. No, it was before Mar.

[Pete Holmes]

Jimmy Pardo.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, this.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Took two to get you. All right, two tries.

[Natasha Leggero]

It was. It was definitely the first year of podcasting. I'm just telling you. Why do you think that's so funny? You probably came on our podcast and then started one accusation. Not the podcast I do with Moshe is a podcast called the Lavender Hour. Yeah, I did. With Duncan Trussell. And I believe it was like. It was before podcasts were a thing. I'm sure someone had one. I remember this girl, Laura Swisher, had a podcast, but it was like, you'd go to this studio that was like. It was like a TV studio. I don't know. But you can laugh at me all you want.

[Pete Holmes]

I was enjoying laughing at you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, but.

[Pete Holmes]

But you are cool. We were talking about how you're cool.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah. No, I was just trying to. And then I make you say it.

[Pete Holmes]

Everybody tell me about the decision. I. I don't want to be morning radio, but I haven't talked to you about you doing the Bert Kreischer thing? Would you talk about. Oh, because that was very cool, I have to say.

[Natasha Leggero]

So I basically took my shirt off after I followed him at the Improv. And it's funny because it was, like, a month where I was like, I'm not gonna drink. I wasn't drinking. So I think I was, like, bored or something. And I was, like, doing a lot of shows, you know, so.

[Pete Holmes]

Chasing something.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. So I had, like, two shows that night at the Improv, and then I went up. I went up, and I was like. I thought I was being pretty funny, and, like, the crowd kind of sucked.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'm like, oh, you didn't come out topless.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, because I was on two shows that night, and Bert. I was following Bert on both shows. So I did the first show, because a lot of times you'll do two shows. So I was on Skyler Stone's, like, 7:30 show and, like, his 10:30 show. So I did the first show, and I was like, God, this crowd sucks. And I was like, oh, Bert just went up and, like, destroyed taking off his shirt, you know, doing his thing. And so then the second one, and I looked. I was like. I was like, I should just do that. And then I looked at my outfit, and I happened to have on, like. Like, I just had a good outfit for it because I had a. Like, a turtleneck and overalls and no bra. So I was like, all I'd have And a fur coat. So I was like, all I'd have to do is pull off. Pull down my overalls and take off my shirt. And I would just. My tits would be out, you know, and my tits. Small tits, age well. Like, they. They're good. Like, small boobs, you know? Like, it's not like I had. Because I had. Tiffany had us went up after me, and she was like, like, your nipples are fake. Why are your nipples so small? Like, she was saying, I don't know. I. I don't look at a lot of women's boobs, but I knew that mine looks. She roasted. No, she was just like, how are.

[Pete Holmes]

Your nipples typically, the nipple?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, a lot of times when you, like, you know, give birth, like, your boobs don't look the same anyway.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. After you have a baby. Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

I was not worried about any. Like, I was like, who cares? So I did it. Oh. So I went to the dj. I go. Or. So I saw that I was. I. I asked Skyler, I said, can I go right after Bert on the second show? And he's like, yeah. So then I went to the. The DJ and I said, can you play the same music you play for Bert when he goes up? Because he has, like, striptease music, like some kind of, like, song. I don't even know what it is.

[Pete Holmes]

And he takes his shirt off.

[Natasha Leggero]

He takes his shirt off. The second he gets up, he takes it off in a very particular way. So I just reenacted the whole thing. And people. What I was not prepared for was looking out and everyone had their phones up. So I was like, oh, this is not. This is not. What I wanted was to, like, be recorded by every horny dude at the improv.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

And then. And then that's.

[Pete Holmes]

There was a time when you would have, like, there was a social code.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right. You know what I mean?

[Pete Holmes]

You would be like, well, I would clearly, if this was a, like a consequence free environment, I'd take a picture right now. But, like, I don't. I don't want to look like an absolute monster.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right?

[Pete Holmes]

But everyone.

[Natasha Leggero]

And everyone already has their phones out because that's how you order food at the Improv, with a freaking QR code. So it's like they already have their phones out when you're doing your stand up.

[Pete Holmes]

You know, a QR R stands for quietly ruining.

[Natasha Leggero]

So, yeah, so I did it. And then the improv. The next day they called me and they're like, just so you know, that cannot go up. You can't put that up if. If you have recording of it. And I'm like, why? And I go, they're like, you know, we don't have a license for that. You know, women. And I said, well, Bert does it every night. And they're like, well, women can't. You'd need a different license for women to be able to show their tits than. I mean, they were very nice about it.

[Pete Holmes]

There's a different license.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes, because it's like a strip club license or something. If you're gonna sell alcohol, a woman can't show her boobs. And so.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, my God.

[Natasha Leggero]

But then it got out, so I was like, whatever, you know.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. Other people broke it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

They weren't in trouble, were they?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, no. I think the improv was just being corporate. You know, they're. They're. But they were being Rita's. Very nice. But it was. It was annoying to me that, I mean, people would obviously rather see my boobs than birds. It's like, it was just annoying to me that. That there's always these double standards.

[Pete Holmes]

Right?

[Natasha Leggero]

Loved it. He was really cool about it.

[Pete Holmes]

It's predicated on the fact that, like, boobs are too exciting.

[Natasha Leggero]

That. No. That men are too horny.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Men are so horny.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

That they're just gonna, like.

[Pete Holmes]

It's literally, like, unsafe.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. They'll commit rape. I guess if a woman has her shirt.

[Pete Holmes]

Unless they knew going in, there's going to be boobs in here. It's like, there really is something. Like, you have to warn them.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's not fair to not warn the gentleman.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like, you know the. When you're in line to Space Mountain, there's a lot of, like, you hear the ride, you hear the screams. There's a lot of, like.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, right.

[Pete Holmes]

Can't just open the door and be on Space Mountain. It's a long line. The line is part of. Of it.

[Natasha Leggero]

So, yeah, so I did that, but then it was on MAD Magazine. I don't know if you saw, but, like, it was like a caricature of. It was on MAD Magazine on the COVID and I was like, oh, that's on the COVID Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes, Pete, you made the COVID of MAD Magazine.

[Natasha Leggero]

I just thought, yeah. And I, I then I did Bird's podcast and brought it to him. He thought it was so cool. But. But, yeah, I think, like, sometimes you get into these, like, states of lucidity where you're just like this. Because if I had been like. Like, had a couple glasses of wine, I probably would not have done that because I would have not trusted my judgment.

[Pete Holmes]

Right.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I was like, wait, I should just do it, too. Well, who cares?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Actually, it's funny looking up at Steve Martin, I think he really influenced me. Like, when you read his book, remember, he was like, I would just get the whole comedy club to get up and go to the bar across the street with me, you know, like, it was. It was always like. And I used to open, happening, and there was all. Well, it was just always like, what could we do? Comedy doesn't necessarily just have to be this. This mic stand and I'm talking, and there's like, an openness that could happen.

[Pete Holmes]

Right.

[Natasha Leggero]

Fun and a physicality and I don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

And a wildness.

[Natasha Leggero]

And a wildness. And so I think, like, always trying to look for those moments or reminding yourself that that's part of it, too.

[Pete Holmes]

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[Natasha Leggero]

What is it? Tell me, what game is it? Rosebudthorn?

[Pete Holmes]

Rose Blood? What?

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, Rosebudthorn.

[Pete Holmes]

Is that the game that's all about social structures in preschool?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, no, that's just where you say your favorite thing that happened, your least favorite thing, and then the thing you're looking forward to, try to get a social child.

[Pete Holmes]

We play lots of different games. Okay, I don't remember which one, this one, which one this was, but it had a deck of cards and we were shuffling the cards and I. And she was like, why are you shuffling the cards? And I was like, oh, because you want them to be random. And she's like, yeah, but they'll be random from the last time we played. Which is true. It's the kind of game where you just describe. It's not like poker. If you didn't shovel a poker deck, it would be bad. And I was like, that's true. But isn't it weird that in this day and age we still, like, want to invoke the gods of chaos? This sounds like a Duncan point, but it's true. You want to, like. I want them to be freshly shuffled because we're asking this moment to, like, encant into the deck and be random. How were they shuffled now? How are the faith? Smiling.

[Natasha Leggero]

I agree with that now.

[Pete Holmes]

And there's some. I swear to God, I'm not forcing this. There's something about you going like, you almost like, wake up. You said lucid. You're like, wait, we can do whatever we want. I think people might be surprised to hear. I didn't for a second think you were drunk or making like a hasty decision. But it's really interesting that maybe like an average non comedian person might be like, well, she was probably having some drinks and feeling herself and decided to go wild. But it was the opposite. It calculated and like an owning of how random and how fun it can be to be shuffled.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, that's cool. And I also texted Moshe first and I said, would you be annoyed if I did this?

[Pete Holmes]

Nice use of the word annoyed.

[Natasha Leggero]

I didn't know.

[Pete Holmes]

I think that's the right way.

[Natasha Leggero]

He was like, no, you should totally do it, you know, cuz. Cuz I was like texting, like thinking about it. But I didn't tell anyone because I was like, it won't be if I tell someone. They might talk me out of it.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

You know, so sometimes it's good to like just go on your own instincts. But yeah, I think you're right. Just being shuffled in the right way. That's a good analogy. You're good at, you're good at analogies. Duncan was great. He's great at analogies too. Like just being able to explain life in these like sort of feedback sort of ways.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, no, I'm. I'm grateful to have that kind of brain as well. So I appreciate that because I sort of was like, did that work?

[Natasha Leggero]

Work?

[Pete Holmes]

So I really appreciate that you really.

[Natasha Leggero]

Now I'm gonna always think of myself as a horse with a feeding trough on when I go into the bathroom to like, I did take Instagram off my phone, so I'll. I'll look at it on my computer. By the way, my mood's not any better since I'm off social media.

[Pete Holmes]

Is that a bummer?

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, I just feel a little like less like relevant or something or like I'm out of it. Like I. I don't know what things are, but then I find out what they are and I'm like, I would have not. Not like, I would have liked to not know this.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, no, I forget who it was. It might have been Mike Racine, but somebody was like, you ever get off social media and feel better? And I was like, that's a. That's all you need to really know. But I don't think it doesn't fix anything. You know, like they say when you stop drinking, you'll feel better. And they're like, you'll feel angry better, you'll feel sad better, you'll feel anxious better. I think there's something similar going on. One of the. You. Well, you. You're. I don't know where you are, but we live in Ojai. And one of the weird things about being in Ojai is it's like paradise. And sometimes I'll be walking around and I'll be like, really anxious and afraid and like, have dread or feel depressed or whatever it is. And you're like, fuck. Similar to getting off social media. You're like, but I got off the thing. Doesn't. Doesn't fix everything.

[Natasha Leggero]

Even though you look around and just see so much beauty.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's what I mean. When I lived in Manhattan, you'd walk out the door and you're like, of course I'm anxious and depressed and afraid and in a good way. And you could kind of project it out and be like, that guy's eating a pigeon and over here is a five star restaurant. You'd see all of the feelings of humanity and you could kind of put yourself wherever you saw fit. But when you live in the Shire, and that's how I think of Ojai, it just looks like Tolkien's the Shire. And there's literally like a glorious sunrise and you're next to an orange tree and you're like, like, like it really makes you aware of just how much of everything is inside.

[Natasha Leggero]

And also, it's like, it does get you more into a bubble living up there. Well, just like always being in. I don't know, I find I. I'm drawn to nature. But then it is kind of like you think it's isolating locusty, you know, like it's all of a sudden it's like, wait, why is everything perfect? All. I don't know, like, maybe we're meant to like.

[Pete Holmes]

I know what you mean.

[Natasha Leggero]

Be in. On. On. On that terrible street by the bus stop.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Where like, I think, well, we like, certainly having both. I mean, I'm certainly in LA enough to see the bus stop.

[Natasha Leggero]

Can you take the bus In a.

[Pete Holmes]

Lot of bus stop? I'm not taking the bus, but I'm seeing a lot of bus stops.

[Natasha Leggero]

When we flew back.

[Pete Holmes]

What we're talking about.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes. When we flew back from, you know, Moshe's he's in charge of when we travel. He's in charge of the flights and I'm in charge of the hotels. So he gets us, you know, Ryanair, Group nine, whatever. The absolute, really cheapest flights. And food, the food was inedible.

[Pete Holmes]

Ryanair could not heard of.

[Natasha Leggero]

Ryan could not eat the food. And you know, these are like some 12 hour flights. So it was like really bad. And then my daughter looked up and she was like, no, it was like zone nine. Yeah. And then sometimes he does this thing where he only upgrades one of us. So then like there's got to be some dance played at the airport where it's like, well, she's with a child so I've got to save the seat, you know, so I'll go in with the child and then I'll save the row and then we'll have to ask someone to switch. It's just like annoying. Okay. And air travel's gotten much worse because they now they don't even let you like bring a carry on unless you pay extra. So there's like all this stuff that he's on Ryanair. No, this is actually on many airlines.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm going to tell you, United and Delta, you can have a carry on.

[Natasha Leggero]

You can't. You have to pay more. You have to pay more.

[Pete Holmes]

No, you don't.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes, you do.

[Pete Holmes]

You do not.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's a brand new thing, I'm telling you.

[Pete Holmes]

Started yesterday.

[Natasha Leggero]

It started recently. Everyone.

[Pete Holmes]

That's after you had the first podcast.

[Natasha Leggero]

Pete, I'm going to send you, I'm going to send you the date that I have my podcast and you tell me how many podcasts before it.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm ready.

[Natasha Leggero]

There was an article, there was an article written about the podcast in Spin magazine. I believe it was like 2006 or something. I'm gonna send it to you. Maybe Jimmy Pardo. Maybe Jimmy. But every single person has one now. I'm just saying.

[Pete Holmes]

I know you're valid. I'm wrong. But it's fun. It's a fun dynamic to be wrong with you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

So you can have a carry on other.

[Natasha Leggero]

No. Well, I, you have to. You're. They're, they're coming. The. I don't know if you know this because you definitely have a very positive world view, but the airlines are part of late stage capitalism that is trying to, to make as much money as they possibly can. Do you know what I mean? Like, people are just like everyone. Once one airline figures out that you don't have to like let people do that. For free. Then everybody does it.

[Pete Holmes]

Can you Google it?

[Natasha Leggero]

No. You're a big guy. You're a big guy. So you probably pay to upgrade, like, you know, on business or something. You fly coach.

[Pete Holmes]

I, I, it's funny because I've been doing a bit about this where work has dried up in la and I was like, well, I'm going to start saving money. And the first thing I started doing was flying coach. And the joke is when I saw that I was zone four, I literally went like this. I was like aghast. I was like, is that even the same plane?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, now if you, if you paid to upgrade, but you can pay to be zone one in coach.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know. Okay, but also I fly United enough that I'm in the 1k, so you, it doesn't matter what zone I am. Okay, so I'll especially fly coach. Coach United, because then you're on. But I also just have a backpack and it goes under the seat in front of me because.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh.

[Pete Holmes]

Because it's going for a weekend.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, my daughter, my daughter unfortunately has flown first class before because we went to, someone paid for it. So someone paid for me to go to England for something. So I took her. So she knows what that's like. So she was like, why can't we sit in the front of the plane? Why can't we sit? I was like, well, that's first class. She's like, well, can I sit? Can I pay for it? And I'm like, no, you don't make enough money. She's like, well, Mom, I have an idea. What if we split it? Like, I can do my, my chores. And I was like, no, it's extremely, like 40 bucks. Yeah. And then she goes, this is dumb class.

[Pete Holmes]

Wow.

[Natasha Leggero]

Coach. She called it dumb class, but it kind of is. Well, you know, I've been on zone 90, zone nine.

[Pete Holmes]

That's, it's the most in your face way that you see how we live in a commercialized, you know, a capitalistic nightmare where it's like, you need to be in that. And, and having flown first class, a bunch of you start to believe that you are, you deserve it person. Yeah, well, they go out of their way. Look, I am playing a victim card, but they go out of their way to be like, hello, Mr. Holmes. Yes, thank you. Here. My part of the joke is no one wants a hot towel. It's just a way to make us do something that they're not doing. It's the same orange juice. It's the same Diet Coke.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, no, no, it's not. The food is definitely better in first class.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not eating on a plane no matter what.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, that's smart.

[Pete Holmes]

Go ahead.

[Natasha Leggero]

Says that most airlines don't charge for carrying bags, that basic economy ticket holders may be limited to a personal item. So, like, thank you, United. If you have basic economy, you only get, like, under the seat. Thank you. And he always gets the cheapest ticket.

[Pete Holmes]

What I hear about that. So this is how my brain works. I go, it's nice that they offer something called basic economy, which is a cheaper ticket for people who don't have.

[Natasha Leggero]

But it's supposed. But that's.

[Pete Holmes]

If you want overhead, buy that economy.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, but if you're gonna.

[Pete Holmes]

What am I, the CEO of United? I'm, like, defing them.

[Natasha Leggero]

But if you. If. If you're. If you're flying coach, don't you want. It's all. Sucks. Why not just get the cheapest ticket? Why pay 300 more dollars for a coach ticket to bring on a bag? That's all I'm saying.

[Pete Holmes]

But anyway, why not get the cheapest one and then check your bag?

[Natasha Leggero]

That's what I'm saying.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I would. But I hate checking bags. But I do like nice hotels, so I just kind of let Moshe book our. Our flight.

[Pete Holmes]

The other one, I've started going into, like, more basic hotels. And it took it. There was a deprogramming, and I was like, Sorry if I've said this on the pod before. It's been on my mind a lot. I was like, just like any drug, there's like a detox. I was like, in a Holiday Inn Express, and I was like, you know, like, the shower, it's all. It's just the shower sucks and the bed isn't as comfortable and the sheets suck. And the smell. I added the smell for comedy. But it's. It's. At the end of the day, everything nice is just the normal thing. It's just like a little. A few clicks nicer. But for those few clicks nicer, they charge a lot of money, and that's fine. But where it gets sticky is they start making you go, you're a Four Seasons person. And that's what all of that. Like loyalty programs and the credit cards and the first class and you.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm definitely not a Four Seasons person. I like boutique. I like, like, smaller places.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. You just bought the same thing from a different person.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's true. Four Seasons, though, that. So they. Oh, so you think that's part of it. So you need to actually get over the idea.

[Pete Holmes]

It took a few hotels, but I finally was just like.

[Natasha Leggero]

Because, you know, you got humiliated by a courtyard breakfast.

[Pete Holmes]

Absolutely. And as I always say, humiliate and humble is from the same hu root and human as well. And it means low. And I was getting too. And I didn't. Here's what it was. As a slowly boiling frog, I didn't realize that I was starting to believe the hype. And as a spiritual person, I was like. Like, I go on these nice vacations, but I'm like, nicer than everybody. I thought that, like, evened it out. And it turns out, like, no, you gotta. You gotta go to the bus stop.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, what about this, though? I find myself to be a spiritually fluid person, and I think about spiritual things a lot, but I'm also extremely aesthetic. And I want to be in a nice hotel. And I'm not willing to compromise.

[Pete Holmes]

What was that last one? That really threw me? I was so ready to defend you. You're like, and I'm not willing to compromise. I was like, no, I don't know about that.

[Natasha Leggero]

But I mean, it's. It's. It's just like. It helps me feel. I think I have childhood trauma.

[Pete Holmes]

I was just gonna.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm gonna talk about the other side. Helps my trauma.

[Pete Holmes]

Can you hit it right here? I. Because I'm doing trauma work too. And I was like. It made me understand why it was so uncomfortable for me to stay at a holiday and express, even though for years I had been doing that. It's because somewhere like you. And I'm gonna put this back to you. I got the message that, like, oh. What I wasn't getting as a child, for lack of. People were trying their best. But like, what I wasn't getting was like a feeling of pampered. Like, safe, pampered. Acknowledge.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right. And that's class.

[Pete Holmes]

And nice hotels are just like, hello, Ms. Leggero, we have your room ready. I know. Check ins not till 4, but I went ahead and had the cleaning staff clean. And it's just. And you just go like, I'm being healed from my trauma. I'm not kidding you.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's what interest.

[Pete Holmes]

That's what it all is. No, when trying to show yourself that you got yourself, like you're taking care of yourself.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. And like, I. When I was saying goodbye on the plane, we were in with. When I went with my kid, the first. First leg, we were in the front row of economy. So the. The. The stewardess was saying, Goodbye to the people in first class and then saying goodbye to us. And he was rude to me the whole time because at one point I go, excuse me, what's. What's for dinner? And he goes, I don't know. The, the flight attendant.

[Pete Holmes]

What?

[Natasha Leggero]

And then I asked another woman, I said, what is the dinner? And she took the tray out of like a trash thing and opened up the tin foil to show me and it was like, someone's eaten pasta. It was disgusting. And I was like, okay, thanks.

[Pete Holmes]

She showed you the trash?

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes, yes. And then when he was saying goodbye, when the guy was saying goodbye, he was right by the toilets. And then, you know, people from first class are coming in this side and I was coming in from this side. So the first class person, he's like, goodbye, it was such a pleasure working with you. This. You know what? Have a wonderful vacation. And I left and I was like, bye. And he was like, bye. Like, just like didn't even say goodbye to me.

[Pete Holmes]

It's the policy.

[Natasha Leggero]

So you're right.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like in the handbook. Show them the trash. If coach asks. If coaches find a meal in the.

[Natasha Leggero]

Trash and show it, it was literally in her little. Yeah, it was just someone's garbage tray.

[Pete Holmes]

If they ask you what's for dinner, say, I don't know if trash isn't available.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, because I think they, they have to feed you on a 12 hour flight. So it's like there has to be this pomp and circumstance for the coach people.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm telling food. Look, if you're paying 4x on the ticket, every person is like four customers. I'm not saying it's right. Right. What's troubling is how that's what we're striving for. It's part of our cultural mythology. Is like that's, that is. Those are important people. Like, yes, sir.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right. But what did they do? What did, what did anyone do? And why do we believe it?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

When?

[Pete Holmes]

All right, well, she's another movie star. First class is just the movie stars of the plan.

[Natasha Leggero]

Not even movie stars like old people who've been saving up their.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I'm not saying they're literally movie stars. I'm saying in that micro climate, we're reality TV stars in coach and that's Brad Pitt up there. And nobody cares that you were on Keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Natasha Leggero]

And my daughter thinks she could pay for it with putting, putting away the, the silverware.

[Pete Holmes]

Troubling.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, it's also like to me, the price of first class is like. It's prohibitively expensive. Like, I'm not. I would never spend $10,000 to fly somewhere when I could spend 700.

[Pete Holmes]

That's the whole thing.

[Natasha Leggero]

Spend $10,000 in another way.

[Pete Holmes]

IPhone, headphones. We're all about status. It's a supreme hat. That. The whole point. It's cool. Is because it was $900. That's. That's like. That's so much of our culture these days.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, my flight sucked.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. If I'm flying 12 hours, I'm probably going to.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, you're. You have a different situation.

[Pete Holmes]

What do you mean?

[Natasha Leggero]

You're tall. Yeah, I don't even fit in the.

[Pete Holmes]

Seats in the first class seat. You like, your feet dangle.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I mean, I don't fit in the coach seat seats. Barely. Like, I know it's. They. They. When they put the thing. I mean, you're almost too tall.

[Pete Holmes]

No, the screen just. The screen just hits my face.

[Natasha Leggero]

Because they took out. They recently redid. Here's my corporate. They redid all the. All the Many of the planes and took out three rows and redid them all so they could have them even closer together. So the rows are closer together than they were.

[Pete Holmes]

Wow.

[Natasha Leggero]

In history.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. The first time I flew coach, after having a nice, nice, unbroken streak of first class, I was like, how am I being asked to share my armrest with this person? Like, that's just not cool. Like, it's not. I mean, I know it's totally normal, so I'm like, I'm just gonna curl this way. That's. That's how I'm gonna do. And somehow they're. They're finding new and creative ways to touch me. They. They will like that poor middle seat, and God love them, but somehow they're elbowing me constantly. It's. It's. It's just not. It sucks for all of us. But.

[Natasha Leggero]

And I also think people are farting more in coaching.

[Pete Holmes]

I think people are farting more on the whole plane. It must be now that you can order any food and have it delivered in less than an hour and you can watch any movie. Farts are no longer being held in. You think that's the trend. If you can get dumplings driven to you for $3 and you can watch the first season of Cheers for free. Why would you hold in a fart heart your whole. That's why we got rid of Alexa. We got rid of Alexa because. And Leela noticed just yesterday, she goes, alexa doesn't work anymore. We don't even have it. But she was looking at the speaker. She goes, why do we get rid of Alexa? And I was like, because I didn't think it was a good thing to be yelling orders to a robot.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And, like. And Lila would do it when she was little in this house. She'd be like, what time is it? And there's nothing wrong with that, but it's not. It's also not great.

[Natasha Leggero]

But she was also invading. Is. Is Alexa. She, like. I remember my daughter was like, our one day because we had Alexa, and she's like, are strawberries tropical? And all of a sudden, Alexa started talking. She's like, strawberries are considered a tropical fruit. And I. And she said, no one said Alexa. She just, like, tried it. Yeah, she was, like, just testing the waters.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, no. Asking something that, you know, she knows. What is the population of Minneapolis?

[Natasha Leggero]

So that was a little scary to me. But Moshe's very, like, in the future pro, you know, Roomba. We've got three different Roombas. We've got the one that squirts the gel. We have the dry Roomba. We have. Alexa's in every room. He's got his Tesla. It's just, like, a lot of stuff talking to him. Like, I'm just like, he's got a lot of friends.

[Pete Holmes]

He's like, Tony Stark.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. And does Tony Stark have a lot of friends?

[Pete Holmes]

That's Iron. Iron Man.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah. Sorry. I didn't know who that was.

[Pete Holmes]

If you.

[Natasha Leggero]

I also don't know about Marvel. Is that Marvel?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's Marvel. I would have been disappointed if you did know.

[Natasha Leggero]

I'm not a member of the Marvel world.

[Pete Holmes]

You're fine.

[Natasha Leggero]

Unless they want to hire me. I'd be someone's mom.

[Pete Holmes]

Isn't that great?

[Natasha Leggero]

I know. I was like, maybe I could be Spider Man's mom. And someone's like, yeah, that's Marisa Tomei.

[Pete Holmes]

I. When I went to your Wikipedia, I was. You look great. I. You're older than I thought you were. Is that weird to say?

[Natasha Leggero]

Say. No, that's.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm saying you're. You look fantastic. And do you talk about your age? Is this something we're going to have to edit out?

[Natasha Leggero]

You can talk about my age.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. I didn't know.

[Natasha Leggero]

37. That is not that old. You really think that's old? See, this is why it's so up. To be a woman is like a guy. What is so funny? What?

[Pete Holmes]

You know, it's funny. If you were 37, I'd still be like, you look great.

[Natasha Leggero]

Listen, it's not about age, honey.

[Pete Holmes]

But you did hit a benchmark. Are you gonna make me edit this out?

[Natasha Leggero]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Or Katie's gonna have to. She's writing down the time code.

[Natasha Leggero]

No. I don't care.

[Pete Holmes]

You turn 50.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's incredible.

[Natasha Leggero]

What is so incredible about that?

[Pete Holmes]

Have you seen 50?

[Natasha Leggero]

Everyone has.

[Pete Holmes]

I want to drive you to New Hampshire and show you what 50 looks like. No offense, New Hampshire Leger. You're killing it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, that's nice of you to see.

[Pete Holmes]

No shit. Yet you're exactly. What a marvel. They. They would trip over themselves because they're always looking for someone that's a believable age to be a mom. Maybe I don't look old enough. Fantastic.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. But my problem is I don't look old enough to play 50, so I feel like I'm gonna have to. Like, a lot of actresses talk about this, at least the old. Like, I think Ingrid Bergman was talking about it, like. Oh. Because that was my algorithm for a while, was all like, like, old actors, okay? Actors over 70 giving advice. But a lot of them would say, like, for women, the ages between 50 and 70, there's not a lot of work because, like, you're too young to be the grandma, but you're too old to be, you know, the girlfriend, The. The. The woman. I don't know, but I. I don't really. I think it's a cool time to be a woman, and I hope I can contribute in some positive way. And I love doing stuff stand up.

[Pete Holmes]

I also think 50 is a great decade for stand up.

[Natasha Leggero]

Aren't you almost 50?

[Pete Holmes]

I'm 45.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, yeah. That's how old Moshe is.

[Pete Holmes]

But I feel like I'm. You know, you look at burr, and it's 50. Like, it's just like a. It's a great. You really, really know who you are. You know, your voice and, you know, and you have a lot to say. I think it's great.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, with women, it's a little different because we actually, you know, there's. There's a. A spike. You know, like, men just kind of go normal, like, with their sex drive and everything. Maybe we should edit this out. But women, you know, there's a spike.

[Pete Holmes]

In the sex track.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, there's, like, women kind of. Well, when you lose your estrogen eventually, maybe at 55 or 60, it's like you actually become a different person, you know, like, you're the. What's being. Men are kind of staying the same. But I feel like women have this, like, second act and, like, what could that be? It's totally different. It can be. It's different in different cultures. And I don't think people have really talked about it that much. Women haven't talked about it because all the, all the doctors or have been men so, so much in the past. And I mean, you lose all your.

[Pete Holmes]

Estrogen and then your personality is just different.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't know. You're not wanting to please men anymore, that's for sure.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

So then what becomes of you when you're not trying to like push your tits up to get a guy to give you a baby?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

You know, it's like your life becomes a little different. Like I was reading that like women in India actually, like when they go through menopause because they can, like, they don't have to wear their outfits and they can just smoke and play cards with the men. Like, I do think that every culture has its own thing and it hasn't really been talked about that much. And everyone's always afraid. And you know, I just think that like the beginning part of it is an interesting. The period menopause. I just think like a 50 year old woman is a little different than a 50 year old man. Man. The 50 year old man is kind of still just going on as he has always been and he's still horny. And you know, there's like three 90 year olds with second family. Like, you know, Robert De Niro has a newborn. Al Pacino has a newborn.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Mick Jagger has a newborn. He does, I think. I mean all these guys. Jamie Masada has a newborn. He has like 6 year old or something. But you know, men in their 70s have, have babies, they have children.

[Pete Holmes]

Another milestone that men get to kind of like breeze right through the easy pass.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

But you're stopping at the toll and paying your personality.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well. Well, I think women, yeah. Like just a lot, a lot changes. So I don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

No, it's true. But it's sort of like your book. Good host.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

It is highlighting the difference. Like they say, like astrologically having a baby is a little bit like a death. Death, like shows up as a death in a woman's chart. And like that's why Moshe is such a really foil.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait. Having a baby shows up as a death in my chart.

[Pete Holmes]

As a huge, as that big of a moment. I'm not saying as a death. Like, like the bones card comes up. It's just like, it's like the death of who you were before you were a mother. And then you and then you become something else. Yeah, I feel that way, but I'm way more involved than Moshe.

[Natasha Leggero]

Moshe's like, he's, like, really involved. If it's like, something like, you know, he's, like, really passionate about getting her to surf camp because he wants her to surf so he has someone to surf with. It's like that. But, like, for me, I'm like, you know, I'm, like, thinking about the lunches and making sure we have the food. Like, you know, we. It's hard, like, making these lunches. Like, I've been shamed by almost every preschool teacher. Well, he was like, let's just have her eat the school lunch. You know that. Because that was free. But she wasn't eating. That was so nice. But it's like, you know, a fried chicken leg and macaroni and cheese and cinnamon toast crunch. It's like, nasty food. And she wasn't eating it. And then she was getting in bad moods. And, you know, the teacher's like, I think you should maybe pack your child a lunch. I'm just saying, it's like, it's a lot of work. Do you pack the lunch?

[Pete Holmes]

No. My. My face. Yes, of course you do. Of course.

[Natasha Leggero]

Listen, I let Moshe kind of sleep in, and then I. I do the morning session, and then I tell him, can you pick her up? And so he's usually good at that.

[Pete Holmes]

He's like, that's when I'm going surfing anyway, so I could use a toddler bobbling in the water. We're gonna. We're talking so much about Moshe. FCC rules. We have to let him retort at the end. Which, by the way, what is the conversation with Moshe in the audiobook? When does that happen?

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, Moshe's constantly trying to. And it's really good, actually. He's really trying to talk. And this is why I had a baby. Because I was like, I'll have. I'm a situational breeder. I will breed if the situation makes sense. Because my mom did not pick a good partner for her life. And so.

[Pete Holmes]

Which is why we both have to stay at nice hotels.

[Natasha Leggero]

Exactly. And why we're comedians. But Moshe's just very much about, like, don't be afraid. Afraid. Because I think he doesn't have the chain. But somehow it happened to you. The change that took place in me was like, this person who wanted to, you know, white river raft without a helmet and do anything and do anything to please my husband and be the person and people pleaser to like and joie de vivre. To like having a baby and being like horrified and scared and like, who is this person? And I think Moshe's like, this isn't the fun chick that I decided to stop doing one night stands with people for. Like, she's too scared. Like, why are you scared? And so I think it's like, you know, dealing with that. And I think for me, like, like I said, getting off Instagram kind of helped. Cuz I'm like, I just need to listen to my own self. Like, I don't need to, to listen to what, you know, Dr. Chelsea or whatever the people's names are, you know, says to me about how I should be talking to my kid and what I should be, you know, how I should be parenting and the things I need to do. And anyway, what I need to pack them. The bento box lunch. Like her first preschool teacher. Because I used to pack my brother's lunch and in like a brown sack. So I remember the first day of preschool, I sent my little daughter, my daughter off with a little brown paper bag. And after about a week, her teacher came up to me and she was like, just so you know, all the other students, they do have something that looks like this. And it was like this, this silver bento box. And it literally had cut steak in it. It had like broccolini, it had cut steak, it had rice. And she's like, you know, this is whoever's lunch, you know, I'm just showing you.

[Pete Holmes]

You keep getting shown meals, by the.

[Natasha Leggero]

Way, like stewardesses that I'm, that I can't, I can't have the nice meal.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, but, yeah, this is what your daughter's meal looks like.

[Natasha Leggero]

But it did feel a little bit like showed you the bento. But you know what's funny? The kids don't eat the bento box anymore. That's just us projecting. If I gave her a dumb sandwich and a bag of Doritos like my mom did. Yeah, she probably wouldn't eat that. I mean, it's like no one, they're not eating anything if I. And. And so I put it in the bento box. And I think she thought that was cute at first, but then she realized I don't make good lunches. So it doesn't matter if it's in a bento box.

[Pete Holmes]

But so yeah, we have a bento box.

[Natasha Leggero]

Of course, that's what everybody does.

[Pete Holmes]

When you said that, I'm just like, it's just a plastic lunchbox, but it's.

[Natasha Leggero]

With seven containers like it needs. And then we put sauce in this thing. And then it dripped everywhere. So now and then, my friend was like, well, you need to get those thin ice packs to put in it. I'm just like, I am not doing that. Yeah, I mean, I'm just not gonna do that. I mean, but I will. I will talk to her endlessly about anything. Read to her. I'll. I'll. I'll. I played Legos the other day, but.

[Pete Holmes]

Look, those cucumbers are gonna be sweaty. I'm sorry.

[Natasha Leggero]

Just. I'm not gonna do that. That.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm dead and loving it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Haktui, can I take that?

[Pete Holmes]

Since she said you can have octoey.

[Natasha Leggero]

This is gonna come out in, like, two months. She won't be famous anymore.

[Pete Holmes]

She's. She's. Yeah, she never was. Come on. That stuff's gone. That stuff's gone as it's happening. New rule. If you're gonna hawk to a Hawk to it. It. A new segment we're calling Hawk to it. That's all she should be is a segment name, like a pun based on that.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's like, you've never done club Club Random either.

[Pete Holmes]

Talk about random.

[Natasha Leggero]

Have you?

[Pete Holmes]

No.

[Natasha Leggero]

Don't think you're gonna be asked.

[Pete Holmes]

Pete, have you been on it?

[Natasha Leggero]

No, but I did open up for Bill Maher in Hawaii.

[Pete Holmes]

New rule. All the islands are called Maui now. Okay.

[Natasha Leggero]

Sean Penn called me a genius.

[Pete Holmes]

That was nice when that happened. Happen.

[Natasha Leggero]

It was like. It's like Bill Maher's big New Year's Eve party. And so all these, like, people like Woody Harrelson and Sean Penn, they all, like, party, and maybe they have houses in Maui on New Year's Eve. And they all came to the show and Paul Simon was there. It was a cool night. So I'm grateful to Bill.

[Pete Holmes]

Sean. Don't make me the guy who's like, really on mar. I'm just having some fun with one guest choreography. Sean Penn said you were a genius.

[Natasha Leggero]

I mean, it was great. It was like, such an amazing show.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Like, I'm not playing 4,000seat theaters, so when you play a huge theater full of, you know, the kind of people that you always wanted to perform for.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's exactly.

[Natasha Leggero]

People who are informed and can. I don't know. And it was. Was. Yeah, it was. It was just really great show.

[Pete Holmes]

It was great. Sean Penn.

[Natasha Leggero]

Stop it. Can you cut that out? I don't know why I told you that. I was just like, join you. It was like an exciting night.

[Pete Holmes]

He came up to me once at an airport.

[Natasha Leggero]

What he say he's a fan?

[Pete Holmes]

He said I was.

[Natasha Leggero]

Maybe. He, like.

[Pete Holmes]

He didn't say genius. He just said he was a fan.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, so he likes comedy. So you should.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, you should feel great about it. We're not editing it out. That was fantastic. Do you really want to see to.

[Natasha Leggero]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, great.

[Natasha Leggero]

But will you say that I'm 37?

[Pete Holmes]

I just can't believe you just hit a landmark.

[Natasha Leggero]

You just. Your wife is, like, in her 20s. That's why you think this is old.

[Pete Holmes]

My wife is 35.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay. She's 35, but she looks. She looks good. She looks young, But, I mean, looks good.

[Pete Holmes]

Looks great.

[Natasha Leggero]

Looks short. People look young. That's a thing? Yeah, for us.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Titan Bright, we call it.

[Natasha Leggero]

I don't know if I like that part.

[Pete Holmes]

I didn't mean a vagina. The whole body. This isn't a vagina.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh, okay, good.

[Pete Holmes]

This is the whole, like, here's a person, and then we shrunk it down tight and Bright.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay, I like that. I can't tell if you're trying to wrap up the podcast or if we still have an hour left.

[Pete Holmes]

We are wrapping up.

[Natasha Leggero]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

How do you feel about that?

[Natasha Leggero]

Good. I. I'm so happy we got to do it.

[Pete Holmes]

Me too.

[Natasha Leggero]

I wish we hung out more.

[Pete Holmes]

There's still, like, 45 minutes, but, like, we're wrapping up.

[Natasha Leggero]

I just haven't listened to your podcast in a while. Well, so I don't know if you, like, go hard for, like. Like, I did Whitney Cummings podcast, and she. I was like, just keep going. I was like, I have to pick up my daughter at school, and it was, like, three hours or something.

[Pete Holmes]

I love doing it. Whitney's lit listening face. Have you seen it?

[Natasha Leggero]

No. What does she do?

[Pete Holmes]

Like, one of the times it seems mean. I'm not gonna do it. She's got a great listening face. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Natasha Leggero]

She has a great Instagram.

[Pete Holmes]

Several. What? You just mean she's good. Game on. Graham.

[Natasha Leggero]

Whatever she's doing is captivating right now.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, Yeah. I remember a lot of, like, when I saw her, it would be a lot of, like, fake. You walked in on her topless videos, and I would just be like, you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Know, you think everything on the Internet's fake. We've already established that. You think Italian duck ladies fake.

[Pete Holmes]

Definitely fake. The Italian duck lady is definitely fake. And the guy checking the lacroix is definitely fake. And I. I'm gonna have them on Club Random to find out. So when you found those dogs. All right. Now that. That three seconds is up, what's your take on Kamala's running mate?

[Natasha Leggero]

Did she pick one?

[Pete Holmes]

Not yet.

[Natasha Leggero]

All right.

[Pete Holmes]

I have a good feeling. See, maybe. Maybe I am a kringus. I'm going back to what we were talking about at the beginning.

[Natasha Leggero]

Is that like a male Pollyanna?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

You're a kringus.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm a real Kringus.

[Natasha Leggero]

Is that like a Chris Kris Kringle?

[Pete Holmes]

I just think. I think we need to do what we can do. You should do what you can do. Vote, donate, and. And make behavioral changes that are positive.

[Natasha Leggero]

But the world's not good. So I. I think it's a weird met. It's weird messaging to be like, everything's great.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not saying everything's great. I am saying don't underestimate. Humanity's all the. All the headlines are the humanities horrible and selfish and ripped. And you even mentioned, like, I'm an AI Optimist. I think that's going to help us in a big way. But we'll see. It'll be funny if. If while AI is like, taking my head off with a claw, they play this clip.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I've seen your stand up. You're just saying this so that they'll be nice to you.

[Pete Holmes]

I had that bit, and now you.

[Natasha Leggero]

Drop the bit, and now you're just. It's become your personality. You're like, I love A.I. alexa's cool.

[Pete Holmes]

Alexa is one of my best friends.

[Natasha Leggero]

They're gonna be.

[Pete Holmes]

Me and Moshe hang out with Alexa. Siri. Siri Cruz. No, we don't use.

[Natasha Leggero]

You don't hear about Siri Cruise too much. I hope she's. I bet she's like a painter somewhere in. No, I got those.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't know. Michael Jackson's daughter was at a show I did at Largo. Blanket, I think it might have been Blanket.

[Natasha Leggero]

Cool name. It is. I mean, it's cool.

[Pete Holmes]

Is it.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's cooler than Jenny. Yeah. Blanket. I mean, you're gonna be remembered. I like her. I don't know anything about her.

[Pete Holmes]

I have a hard time with names that seem to be a little bit more about the. The person naming the baby.

[Natasha Leggero]

You must have a hard time in Ojai, then.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that's true.

[Natasha Leggero]

I mean, there was someone in. In my daughter's school called Lulu Rainbow.

[Pete Holmes]

Hilarious.

[Natasha Leggero]

There is. Oh, who's one of the people right now? She's at a Waldorf camp, and there's someone named.

[Pete Holmes]

Wait, hold on. P. Diddy. Sean P. Did he come?

[Natasha Leggero]

R. Razlin.

[Pete Holmes]

Raslin. That's horrible.

[Natasha Leggero]

But it's very like, Middle Earth or something.

[Pete Holmes]

I. I love it. I love it and it's horrible. It can be both.

[Natasha Leggero]

Right? But yeah, the names are interesting.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I did before, like, a week before he was. Was caught. I don't know the update on P. Diddy, but we did.

[Natasha Leggero]

I also don't know about the story.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, we did Kimmel the same time, and he was on. And he was. He was talking about how his. He named his kid Sean Love. Com. Like, love Sean Combs. Like, the kid's name is in a sentence saying that he loves Sean Combs. I was like, that's. That's what. That's when the names are like, about the parent. I feel the same way about my own brother. My brother's named John. My dad's name is John. I'm like, that's about my dad being like. Like, that's a weird tradition for me.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah, I agree.

[Pete Holmes]

But at the same time, you know, didn't I pick my daughter's name and didn't. I think it was cool? We can't get out of this game. That's just what we're doing.

[Natasha Leggero]

I think if you want to be a president or a celebrity, you kind of have to have narcissistic personality disorder.

[Pete Holmes]

Or at least touches of it.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Narcissistic personality disorder is, like, very. I don't know, extreme. But narcissistic. Narcissistic tendencies are very helpful in the public eye.

[Natasha Leggero]

You know what I think you need, actually, I thought of this, and this was one of my realizations when I was. When I went through my little sobriety. Like, I don't drink that much, but I like to have a glass of wine every night or whatever. But when I was in my sobriety phase, I was like, oh, I need to be like a. Like 1% monster. I need to be a little more monster to, like, get more stuff done, you know? And then I. I went on a little rampage about it. And. And everyone who was slacking, like, in my world, they. And I made phone calls with the people who I knew wouldn't respond in the same way to an email. And I just kind of like, was kind of a bit like, kind of a dick or whatever it is.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, you went big.

[Natasha Leggero]

But it was because things weren't being done right, and they were. Said they were going to be done right. And, And. And it really worked. But then I forgot about it. So I think, like, just trying to incorporate. I'm not naturally like that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

So I'D like to incorporate a little bit more of that.

[Pete Holmes]

But I know exactly what you mean. You have to have that, that gear.

[Natasha Leggero]

The, like, just a few percentage points.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

Some people have too much. They need to get rid of some of it for sure. Just a sprinkle of monster.

[Pete Holmes]

That's right. That's the campaign still sprinkle. Have you ever seen a ghost? That'll be your final question. You seem like someone who hasn't seen a ghost.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, you know, Motion. I get into fights about this all the time because, like, okay, I live with Duncan Trussell. And he was like. All the time, like, there's elves, there's ghosts. The ghost told me. He was just like, there was always something, you know, like, and. And it felt very real, you know, and. And then like, he's like, yeah. And then his brother came over once and he was like. Came to. And he was like, yeah, I saw. Saw two guys from the 1930s, like, just in your room. And I'm like, wood paneled room always makes people think that there's ghosts there too, though. I've noticed. So, like that. And the room happened to be wood paneled, so a few people told me they felt ghosts in there. But anyway, Moshe, like, doesn't believe in astrology, doesn't believe in ghosts, doesn't believe in angels, doesn't believe in tarot, doesn't believe. He doesn't believe in any. He's like a. A scientific realist. I don't call it materialist. Scientific. Materialist, yes. Which is a little upsetting. But, like, you know, I. I think that he's. He would be open if he saw it. He wouldn't be like, I didn't see that. But like, so he's very much out. So I like to say that I'm somewhere in the middle. But I did go to dinner recently with Moshe's family, and his dad is a scientist, like a bug scientist, an entomologist. And it was like his birthday. And we all went around the room. I don't know why we did this, but decided to say what percentage we believe in astrology. And I went first and I said 51%. And then everyone else at the table was zero.

[Pete Holmes]

That is so good. So I felt like, that is so funny.

[Natasha Leggero]

So that is kind of.

[Pete Holmes]

Even the guy that suggested the game knew he was going to be.

[Natasha Leggero]

I think I was talking. I. I don't know why, but, like, we were talking about much, I think because we had just gotten back from Taiwan and we were talking about, like, the different types of astrology and.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Natasha Leggero]

So anyway, do. Have I ever seen a ghost? No, but I did have an outof body experience once.

[Pete Holmes]

What's that? What happened?

[Natasha Leggero]

This one was pretty cool actually. I don't really know if I want to say it on a podcast, but I will tell you what happened, but I probably won't tell you the message.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay.

[Natasha Leggero]

Is that okay?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, of course. Because it was like, name your daughter.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I've also done ayahuasca so that. That wasn't a ghost. That was more other things. But. And actually I did see elves when Duncan told me. Cuz like we were doing like Molly maybe. Yeah, elves. I saw them. They were working really hard.

[Pete Holmes]

DMT is usually the elves.

[Natasha Leggero]

It wasn't dmt, but I don't know that happened. But an elf. That's not what you're talking about. You're talking about a ghost. I haven't seen a ghost.

[Pete Holmes]

But you did see an elf.

[Natasha Leggero]

I did see an elf.

[Pete Holmes]

On drugs.

[Natasha Leggero]

On drugs and drugs. Yeah. When I was sober though, not on drugs. I once had a lucid dream where I like like jumped up from the. It was like my boyfriend's bed. I was like in Chicago, probably like 18 and I jumped up to the ceiling and I was all of a sudden awake and I was in the clouds and I looked down and saw myself and I kept. They kept telling me like, keep jumping, keep jumping, you'll get the message. You'll get the message. So I kept jumping higher and higher and then I got this like very short, succinct message which. Which maybe I'll tell you afterwards, I'm just afraid to say it publicly.

[Pete Holmes]

That's fine. You want to keep it special.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yeah. But then buy Bitcoin. And it honestly has always eluded me. It's a very cryptic message. But. And I don't really know why it's there and I can't say it's helped me that much, but it was definitely the only time something like that happened where I was like awake and. But I think lucid dreams are quite common. You can like teach yourself to do that. Yeah, I've never done that. Not. It just sort of happened. But I'd like to see a ghost or an angel. And I'm actually reading this book right now by Sebastian Unger Man. Huh?

[Pete Holmes]

No, Sebastian man.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, not by Sebastian. Has he read. Has he read a book? But it's all about this. He. He's. He had an auto. He. He died. And then. Or he, he had like some kind of health thing. Where he was on the operating room dying. And then his dad came, came back and was pulling him this way. And he was, and then he was still alive seeing his dad pull him. And then he wrote a whole book about the experience and was like, wow. This experience is so much like what so many people have said. And so it was really fascinating because you're like, wow, maybe this is what happens. Like there is this world where there's like people are able to kind of be around, but then also wow. And then in another book I just read, he was saying that his sister came back who had died. So, so I, I. And then he, he felt her there. So I, I, I, I, I'm open to that.

[Pete Holmes]

I wish you were at a dinner and Moshe's. Who what relation? Dad.

[Natasha Leggero]

Oh yeah. What percentage? Maybe it was, it was, to be honest, it was probably my idea because I was probably talking and no one was responding.

[Pete Holmes]

00%.

[Natasha Leggero]

Moshe. He doesn't even know that what his sign is. Do you, have you ever seen a ghost?

[Pete Holmes]

People do this sometimes and it's the same old same old. My ghost of my cat jumps on my bed every time I go home to Boston. It's reliable and very crazy.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, that's true. What?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's really weird.

[Natasha Leggero]

Wait, wait, wait. You open the door and then you see scratch marks.

[Pete Holmes]

That would be better. Like a lot of these things. It's in the morning and I'm awake and I, I just wait for it. I wake up first and then I go any second now. And then I'll. The cat, big fat cat jumps up on the bed, curls up by my legs reliably. I don't, I don't sleep in that room anymore because boundaries. I'm like, no, I'm not staying in my parents house. But when I used to, every single time. And I would wake up and I would wait for it. I'm like any second and it would happen every time. Time.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's great. Wow, that's cool. And just to find, final, finalize my answer. I do believe when I talk, talking about Duncan, there's a reason why I mentioned him. I just think that some people, it, it makes no sense to me to be a spiritual materialist because it's so obvious that some people have talents, you know, like intuition is a talent. And I think that if you're like very receptivity, if you're a very receptive person or open in some way based on something that happened to you, like, like in the same way you can like tell if some people can tell if someone's not feeling well. And some people can't. They're too self involved. I'm not saying you're too self involved if you don't believe in ghosts, but I just feel like some people are just more sensitive, open to that realm.

[Pete Holmes]

Instruments.

[Natasha Leggero]

It's so obvious that that is what it is and that the people who aren't feeling it, they're not sensitive to.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that was going back finally to what we were talking about. The varying sensitivities to, like, world happenings. I think everybody belongs. I think we need me, and I think we need whistleblowers. And I think we need people that are really freaking out. I think we need everything in between.

[Natasha Leggero]

You think we need school shooters? The world deserves My Children. Don't buy it on Amazon. You can listen to me read it. That's what I suggest. Great performance, but also reading the book is great. Says here deeply, darkly funny. Ali Wong said that about my book. Chelsea Handler said something, but she.

[Pete Holmes]

Did you write any of those. Those blurbs for the people?

[Natasha Leggero]

That's a great question.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not ashamed I wrote.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, I didn't.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I wrote some of the blurbs.

[Natasha Leggero]

On my book, but I. I think.

[Pete Holmes]

That'S how it goes. Then you send it to them and they approve it because some of them.

[Natasha Leggero]

Are just too busy. When someone asks me.

[Pete Holmes]

R was 88 years old.

[Natasha Leggero]

He wrote a blurb for you.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I wrote it and then he approved it. I'm not going to borrow.

[Natasha Leggero]

Did he make any tweaks?

[Pete Holmes]

No tweaks. He said it was perfect. I wrote it in his voice. I know his voice.

[Natasha Leggero]

What is it?

[Pete Holmes]

I can't remember.

[Natasha Leggero]

That's cool.

[Pete Holmes]

But it. It was the path from being somebody to living spirit or something. I can't remember.

[Natasha Leggero]

I got to meet Ram Dass when I went to the retreat, and I.

[Pete Holmes]

Think we talked about this. Last time you were in, he had.

[Natasha Leggero]

He. He, like, was spilling soup all over him. Felt bad.

[Pete Holmes]

No, stop.

[Natasha Leggero]

We ate. Well, because I ate with him and I was like, wow. It's like.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, there he is.

[Natasha Leggero]

There he is. Like, oh, because he has, like a park.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, don't do the shake.

[Natasha Leggero]

Well, I'm just saying, don't do the shake. That's why the soup. But you could tell he was just like the soup spilling again, you know, like.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, no, Talk about the humbling.

[Natasha Leggero]

Yes. Yes. I mean, I talk about not wanting to stay at a Courtyard Marriott. How about not being able to walk?

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's.

[Natasha Leggero]

Or speak, you know, without a delay or whatever it is like.

[Pete Holmes]

That's exactly right. Great.

[Natasha Leggero]

That is big.

[Pete Holmes]

That's why the accepting, the humblings, whatever they may be in my life. It might be a Courtyard Marriott, but whatever they are is just is a rehearsal for Going With Grace. Let's get out of here. The book is called Dear World.

[Natasha Leggero]

No, it's called the World Deserves My Children.

[Pete Holmes]

Please find my children. P.S. you're welcome. Love, Ali Wong with a quote from Natasha Leggero.

[Natasha Leggero]

Written by Jesse Klein.

[Pete Holmes]

Written by. If you read one book, Jesse Klein.

[Natasha Leggero]

If you read two, include mine.

[Pete Holmes]

Include. No, it's fantastic. Check it out. Natasha, you're always a delight. Thank you for being so wonderful.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you for having me.

[Pete Holmes]

Congrats on the book.

[Natasha Leggero]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

Would you say keep it crispy? It's how we end.

[Natasha Leggero]

I won't, actually. I'm so sorry.

[Pete Holmes]

That's fine.

[Natasha Leggero]

Keep it crispy.

[Pete Holmes]

And then she did.