We Made It Weird #208

Summary

Podcast Summary: "We Made It Weird #208" (Pete Holmes & Valerie Chaney)

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes
Date: February 28, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode is a Friday bonus edition of “We Made It Weird,” featuring comedian Pete Holmes and his wife, Valerie Chaney, in a lively, candid conversation. It’s also Valerie’s birthday, which serves as a loose theme and touchpoint for their updates, reflections, and playful tangents. The discussion weaves together classic "weird" humor, pop culture riffs, relationship insights, stories about recent personal and creative experiences, and honest explorations of emotional and psychological ups and downs—all delivered with their signature warmth and banter.

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Main Themes

• Embracing Authentic Weirdness & Playfulness
• Reflections on Growth, Mental Health, and Creativity
• Navigating Setbacks and Refinding Momentum
• The Healing Power of Connection and Creativity
• Living in Rhythm With Life’s Seasons and Energy Shifts
• Vulnerability and Family Dynamics

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Key Highlights & Discussion Points

1. Birthday Vibes & Podcast Beginnings

[00:17–01:11]

• Pete celebrates Valerie’s birthday, promising a “classic” episode: “A lot of laughs, a lot of inspiration, a lot of connection, a lot of life. And I’m really glad you’re here and thank you. And happy birthday, Valerie.” — Pete [00:40]
• Quick plug for Pete’s “PG13 Tour”—noting that it’s “mostly clean, not boring … you could do any of these jokes on network TV for the most part, but it’s still hot takes. Exciting stuff.” [01:33–02:13]

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2. Jumping In: The Art of Storytelling and Relationship Dynamics

[07:14–12:37]

• Pete and Val discuss people who tell stories out of anything, referencing the movie Greenberg.
• They compare and contrast characters in films to their own dynamic (“I’m a lava lamp” — Pete [12:37]; “You sure are, and you know I love it, too…” — Valerie [12:38]), highlighting Pete’s aversion to being a “steady Eddie.”
• Humor emerges as they riff on impressions of “stiff” people and the joy of being interesting rather than merely steady.

“I’m a lava lamp.” — Pete [12:37]
“You sure are. And you know I love it, too.” — Valerie [12:38]

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3. 90s Nostalgia, Music Riffs, and Banter

[13:04–19:02]

• Extended, silly riffing about the Goo Goo Dolls, Rob Thomas, and 90s song lyrics.
• Musings on Nick Cage and celebrity impressions, underscoring the couple’s love for absurd, freeform comedy.

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4. What Makes a Good Podcast—and the Value of Coziness

[19:02–21:11]

• Valerie shares her preferred “beach nap” vibe for the podcast: “You hear your friends talking… You’re interested in what they’re saying, but you don’t have to do any of the effort. You’re just enjoying.” [19:09]
• Comparison to podcast styles, citing Rick Glassman’s high-energy, high-effort format versus their own “turkey sandwich” (comfortable, classic) style.

“That’s exactly right… with a Rick Glassman pod, it’s because I’ve had a pot of black coffee.” — Pete [20:03]

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5. Brain Fog, Getting Sick, and Surrendering to Life’s Seasons

[22:27–25:30]

• Valerie recounts recent illness and the heavy brain fog that accompanied it, leading to deep feelings of disconnection and anxiety: “My therapist will say… you have depressed life force; it’s not this big scary thing.” [25:00]

• Pete and Val talk about how our brains play tricks when energy is low, making it feel like you’ve always been stuck, never been happy, etc.

• The importance of recognizing and not casting harmful “spells” with your own language/self-talk (“When I’m anxious, I go, oh, this is the real me… No, that’s just familiar.” — Pete [34:09])

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6. Emotional Cycles, Family Patterns, and Therapy Insights

[37:32–44:28]

• Pete gets honest about family relationships, especially the “manipulation game” he experienced growing up, and how it can distort real vulnerability and reciprocity.
• Discussion about the futility—and emotional toll—of trying to “fix” a parent’s mood as a child (“Seven year old children don’t fix grown up problems with a song and dance in a silly voice.” — Pete [42:32])
• Validation for listeners who grew up with similar dynamics, and an embrace of internal family systems therapy as a way of healing (“I respect you and I am grateful to you.” — Pete [47:14])

“Everyone is in charge of their own feelings… Protector seven year old children don’t fix grownup problems.” — Pete [42:26–42:32]

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7. Restoring Creative Mojo: The Energizing Power of Making Things

[54:19–63:39]

• Pete shares recovering from a creative slump after pitching a show and getting “a couple no’s.” He credits a recent joyful day of shooting homemade ads with friends as the turning point that “gave me life.” [56:36]
• Metaphor about momentum and creativity—sometimes to get your groove back, “you just need to get one [win] under your belt.” [55:23]
• Valerie relates this to her own journey with a short film; they agree that the process of creation itself, not just outcomes or recognition, is “holy.”
• Pete: “Making something feels so good. That’s what I forgot… when you haven’t made something in a while, when you haven’t taken a chance, you forget how to be happy.” [61:16–61:18]

“It felt like waking up… what are you, nuts? You have a great idea. You should make that. Making some ads for Modern Mammals made me remember I love making things. I snapped out of it. It was like smelling salt.” — Pete [58:33–59:15]

“Creativity is like your spiritual practice… the energy for everything… I hope every single one of those [short film] experiences were like my experience, because the more people are plugging into this… we’d all do better.” — Valerie [62:27–64:17]

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8. Birthday Celebration & Healing Rituals

[68:25–71:32]

• Pete describes their birthday trip to a secret hot spring, reinforcing the importance of giving experiences (“I was pretty bent on not getting you a thing for your birthday. I think it’s dumb—an experience.” — Pete [70:00])
• They reflect on the ritual of letting go of old hurts and “soaking it in” at the volcanic waters.
• Tender notes on love and gratitude: “Everyone who sees you loves you… you are the queen of my heart.” — Pete [68:34]

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Notable Quotes

• On Life Cycles:
  “Sometimes you’re just in a closed place and you just need to remind yourself that it’s not forever.” — Pete [25:57]

• On Creativity:
  “While we’re here, we can either go with the flow of life and take our rightful place as a part of nature, which is inherently creative, or we forget who we are and we stifle that and we wonder why we’re depressed and nothing satisfies us.” — Valerie [63:16]

• On Family Patterns:
  “If you did appear to change your parents mood, that was just a fluke. It wasn’t actually you. It was something else.” — Pete [42:19]

• On Vulnerability:
  “I want to show my vulnerability, and even with pride, I’ll say my weakness. That’s like, a soft spot for me.” — Pete [60:02]

• On Partnership:
  “You are the queen of our hearts. Certainly the queen of my heart.” — Pete [68:34]

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Timestamps for Significant Segments

• [01:33] — Pete discusses the origins and vibe of his new PG13 Tour.
• [07:14] — Actual episode content kicks off (post-ads): diving into storytelling, “Greenberg” reference.
• [19:09] — Valerie describes her vision for the podcast’s tone—“the beach nap friend group.”
• [22:27] — Illness, brain fog, and the reality of “depressed life force.”
• [34:09] — Self-talk as “spells” we cast on ourselves.
• [42:26–42:32] — Family healing: “Protector seven year olds don’t fix grown up problems.”
• [54:19] — Pete’s story: shooting ads, rediscovering creative mojo.
• [61:16] — The importance of making something to restore happiness.
• [63:16] — Valerie connects creativity to “the flow of the universe.”
• [70:00] — Description of their hot springs birthday experience.

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode is, as promised, a classic “We Made It Weird”—a blend of honest vulnerability, off-the-cuff hilarity, and wisdom from two creative partners navigating real life. They intertwine pop culture silliness with emotional and philosophical insights, making space for healing, creativity, and self-acceptance.

Listeners come away reminded that life moves in cycles, connection and creation are vital, and even the weirdest moments hold potential for healing and joy.

Transcript

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You made it with.

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You made it with.

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You made it with.

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Oh, yeah.

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You made it weird. Yes, you did. It made it weird. You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

[B]

What's happening, weirdos?

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It's Valerie's birthday.

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Happy birthday to me.

[A]

It's Valerie's birthday. I am a broken record when it comes to the intros here, but this is the Friday bonus episode called We Made It Weird. If you're new the show and Val and I catch up and I almost say this every time, but I couldn't mean it more. This is a classic.

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Yeah.

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It's funny, it's fun, and there's some really good healing stuff kind of slipped in there.

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Yeah.

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And also at the end, the second half, I don't know if people turn off after the. After the ads, but like the mid rolls. But like, stick around because that second part is a really nice update and it's the sort of thing that I know I'll listen to when I'm feeling a little stuck or whatever. So a lot of laughs, a lot of inspiration, a lot of connection, a lot of life. And I'm really glad you're here and thank you and happy birthday, Valerie.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm on tour. It's peteholmes.com we got some largos coming up on March 4th. I think is the next one. Andrew Santino just joined that one. I think Chris Fleming, who. Who's amazing, is going to do that one.

[B]

I love both those guys.

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Yeah. Tickets at largo-la.com or peteholmes.com and I'm also on the road. I'm not going to list the dates.

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You. You can find it.

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I'm going out. We came up with a name for the tour, though. It's the PG13 Tour.

[B]

Great.

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Which is a mostly clean, meaning it's not a lot of swearing. Not a lot of, like, sex or like, I've had, like, wiener jokes in the past. It's like you could do any of these jokes on network tv for the most part.

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Yeah.

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But it's not boring.

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Yeah.

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It's really important to me. It's still like kind of like, whoa. It's still like, takes and hot takes. Exciting stuff. It's not just like tic Tacs or.

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It's not that I don't think anybody would expect that from.

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But I wanted to let people know that, like, this isn't a filthy hour. It's a. Mostly. It's PG 13.

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Yeah.

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Nate Bargazi is PG though.

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Right.

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I want to say that.

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Yeah.

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This is PG13. But you could still watch it without being, like, embarrassed that I'm doing 45 minutes on balls or something.

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Yeah.

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So it just so happened that the hour I wrote was mostly clean. And I was like, we're going to tell the people. And if you want to come out to the PG13 tour, we haven't put out the artwork or anything, but that's basically what it is. Go to PeteHomes.com and the show. The lights stay on because of. We do ads, we do partnerships with things I actually love, Valerie actually loves and. And meaning. These are authentic endorsements. And if you try one or buy one for a friend, it really, really helps the show. Please use our promo codes. Katie, roll it. Roll it right here. I am a California sober person, which means I don't drink alcohol, but I do occasionally enjoy thc. The problem is, whenever I use thc, I regret it because I always end up being unable to follow the plot of a movie or hold a conversation or tell myself not to eat 17 entire pizzas. And then the next day I wake up and. And I have brain fog. It feels like there's cobwebs all up in my brain. I have no drive, I have no motivation, and I don't even have the energy to be happy. Cause it shot me in a rocket. Modern weed products shoot you in a rocket like a confused chimpanzee, and you don't even know what's going on. You're not even there to enjoy it. It's like a fugue state and you wake up feeling worse for it. But I wish there was something that would give me just a little bit of lightness, take the edge off, make me a little bit quicker to laugh, have a nice time, merge back with my family. When I'm coming home from the road and I'm stressed out, my body's all tense. Or if I'm at a party and I want to just enjoy and have a good time. Well, that's what this is. This is dad Grass Leisure Drink. Ships legally to all 50 states, and it has 3 milligrams of THC. It's also got CBD, 6 milligrams of CBD plus Lion's Mane in there to help you have fun, be silly, be light, and not shoot in a rocket to outer space because weed is too damn strong. That's dad Grass's mission. It's too damn strong. We need a new way to enjoy it. And the leisure drinks are exactly that. If I am kicking it with Val and we are watching a movie and I just want to yield to the experience a little bit more. One can of dad Grass leisure drink is all I need to get into that experience and before I know it I'm laughing, I'm having fun, I'm mellow, I'm light, but I'm not having like a near psychedelic experience with like government grade strained psychoactive weirdo mad scientist weed that they sell in all the stores. It's mild dose and sessionable for a mellow experience. Happy and relaxed without the hangovers. And of course it's stackable if you want a bigger buzz. Fast acting that means you'll know how you're going to feel in about 10 minutes. Leisure drinks and all of dad Grass's products including their joints and their gummies are 20% off. I'm so glad to be partnering with these guys. Leisure drinks are amazing. Go to dadgrass.com weird use promo code weird for 20% off. That's dad grass, our newest beats pick.com weird use promo code weird For 20% off I'm so glad to have something that I could hold as a can at a party and sip and have fun. It's wonderful and I highly recommend it. We're also brought to you by our friends at Apollo Neuro. You know this Apollo Neuro is a piece of wearable tech. I'm wearing it right now on my wrist. You can oh I have something stuck in it. You can also wear it on your ankle. That sends soothing vibrations. That sends a signal to your nervous system and to your brain the sensation of being held. It is touch therapy and a holistic approach to wellness without having to take something that can help you be balanced, control, reduce stress, improve sleep, boost focus, recover faster. Can even wake you up. Sometimes when I'm driving and I feel like I might be getting tired, I put it on the energy setting like a shot of espresso that you're wearing. But also at night, the sleep setting lulls you to sleep and keeps you asleep because it's smart. It runs again in the night before you even wake up. It is just gently telling your nervous system don't be in fight or flight. Be in rest and digest. Soothing, calming, wonderful, wonderful product. Science backed, as I always say is not woo woo. This isn't sold in a crystal store. This was developed by neuroscientists and it's supported by clinical research trusted by experts made in the USA with a money back guarantee. They even have financing 0% APR with affirm so you have nothing to lose. I've Worn mine for over five, six years now. Go to ApolloNeuro.com weird. Give it a try. It will apply the code weird for you. You'll get 60 bucks off you and a free sleep band. That's ApolloNeuro.com weird for 60 bucks off and a free sleep band. All right, everybody, we're glad you're here. We made it weird.

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Valerie, get into it.

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What's. What's. Oh, right. This is. We don't. We don't start. You say that at the beginning.

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That's right.

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I threw myself right in.

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You really did. I didn't know I was stretching.

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Well, we were looking at the. Here's the story. It's a crate. You guys aren't going to believe this.

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Wait till you hear this.

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The couple that arrives at a dinner party. You're not going to believe this. I, I. Well, what happened was. Sorry.

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You, you, you.

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Let me say it. I. We looked at the clock and we realized we only have an hour, and the episodes are typically an hour. So we were like, start right now. And, like, I took that a little literally.

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I actually do love people like that.

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Who make a story out of anything.

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Yes. I. Oh, I was just with my friend Kat, my hometown friends of almost 20 years now, and she is that one of those people that literally has a story.

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Yeah.

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Every day a new story. And they're good. And she's a good storyteller.

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She knows the, like, I can see it both ways. Well, one, nothing worse than someone who has a great story and they stink at telling it. So they're like. And then I open the door and it was my dad, and you're like, sorry, why didn't you say I have an incredible. Like, you should have prepped me. You should have, like, juiced me. You should have teased it. You just said it. Yeah, but, like, I also, there's this line in the movie Greenberg, the Ben Stiller movie, where someone tells a story and he goes, what was the point of that story? And sometimes I can be in that way.

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Yeah.

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I'm, like, looking for a point.

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And he is saying that because he's such a baby that he, like, is throwing a fit, that she's so free.

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Sexually.

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Yeah, sexually. So he's, like, being a totally total turd in that.

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Yeah, that's true. I just lifted that line and say it whenever it applies.

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Right.

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I do. Sorry.

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No, go ahead.

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No, I do think Greenberg.

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I think Greenberg is one of. It's not us at all.

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Oh, no.

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No, it isn't us.

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No, that's Okay. I acknowledge that.

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No, no, no, no. I really want to be clear about this.

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I'm a little Greenberg in. But I. I'd rather be phantom thread.

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Well, we are phantom thread. I think we are mostly phantom thread.

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Yeah. I'm Woodcock.

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Yeah. But Greenberg was like, maybe how we were when we first met, but not. I want to be careful to say this. I understand only in the dynamic that she is really young and she's wild.

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And kind of, like, figuring it out.

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Figuring it out.

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And he is, like, tight and older.

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Yes, exactly.

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And writing letters to Johnson and Johnson that their baby powder is, like, too fine or something.

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Right.

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That is kind of true. And that is what I was doing before I had my life.

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Yeah.

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Like, before I met you, as we always say, I was sitting under copper pyramids and, like, trying to figure out which essential oils will make my butthole turn a lighter shade or whatever. That's not. Neither one of those is true. The pyramids one is true.

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Yes.

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So I didn't really have a life. I might as well have been writing letters.

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Yeah.

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If they don't know the movie Greenberg, they're lost on this one.

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I know. Just pause this. Watch Greenberg. It's so good.

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It is a great movie. No, Bomb.

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Really good.

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Noah never bombs. More like it.

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I know.

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Then he comes back. Noah bomb back.

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Yeah.

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You hated it.

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No, I liked it.

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You hated it.

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No, I liked it. I was supposed to add to it, but I. I just was gonna give the one example and say how you're different.

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Oh, I can't wait.

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Like, really. There was the potential, is what I mean, there was the potential of you.

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No, if you want to understand, me and my brother watched the movie Greenberg.

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Yeah.

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And if you haven't seen Greenberg, it's just Ben Stiller is basically on the spectrum.

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Yeah.

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But not in, like, a Revenge of the Nerds way. In, like, a more ordinary. Like, when I say ordinary. You know what I mean? Like, he passes as a neurotypical.

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Yeah.

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Because he just. But he looks grumpy, but he's clearly got some obsessive compulsive stuff.

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And he's like. He's just highly neurotic, and he's very stuck in this way.

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It might be more PTSD than autism.

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Yeah.

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It's just like a non nerd. So my brother and I quote it to one another incessantly, because when we saw that movie, we felt seen. And the line that we always say is, isn't clapping after singing Happy Birthday superfluous? It's like that's just like, such a Greenberg.

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Yeah.

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Like, they clap at the end. And he's like, you don't have to clap. You already sang Happy Birthday.

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Yes.

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Like, why clap? And it's like, why are you upset about this?

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Yes. Yeah. And you. You were a little like that, but you also weren't that way towards me. That's what the difference is.

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No, that's what's fun. I'm like a dog that loves you but will chew anything you leave out.

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Yes.

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And that is fun.

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Yeah.

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I. You know me, I'd rather die than be a snooze. And even when I'm grumpy, I'm like, at least I'm paying out.

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I'm interesting.

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Yeah. I'm saying have a perspective.

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Yes.

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I don't like Game of Thrones. You know what I mean? Like, at least this guy's stirring the pot.

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I agree. I would.

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You know, being a stiff, and I hate that word, but that's what my father used to call them. Like, if you're a stiff, meaning you're just standing there like a yardstick.

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Yeah.

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That was, like, the cardinal sin. And I'm with my dad on that one. Not. Not as hard as he was. Meaning I can appreciate all types, and I would rather call a stiff maybe a steady Eddie.

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Yes.

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That's a positive way of putting it.

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Yeah.

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But I am not a steady Eddie.

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No.

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I'm a lava lamp.

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You sure are. And you know, I love it, too. Like, I can't handle. I don't want to be always interested in somebody who is just like, sort of always steady.

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Whenever I do an impression of someone I don't like, it's always the same. It's always like, just like a. Like, nothing.

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Right. Hi, I. Hello.

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Nothing.

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I got an email from Dr. Becky Kennedy, who is the, like, parent expert that we love.

[A]

You got an email from her?

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Well, I got. I'm on her newsletter.

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Oh. Then I got an email from the Goo Goo Dolls this morning from Spotify thanking me for listening. It was great to be in touch with the Goos.

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You know what? I'm the reason the Goos.

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I'm not teasing you. I'm having fun with a riff. I don't think you're, like, an idiot. I just saw an area to be like, oh, really?

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I know. And I was gonna say good inside, which is the company. But then I was like, nobody's gonna know what that is. So whatever.

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You got it from her mailing list.

[B]

I got it. Yeah. From her mailing list.

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Can I say Can I interject here?

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Yeah.

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When you are as I am, who needed the as I am, who is that for? That was a as I am.

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As. As I am wand.

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That's someone who's wearing more than three gold rings on each hand, says as.

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I am, or just a single pinky ring.

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I can't believe you said that. Because all I was thinking was a golden pinky ring. And you. You telepathy taped me.

[B]

I knew.

[A]

You know, we know each other so well, but. Yeah, I hated that. Here's what I'm saying is, you know, but you're. When you work in show business, sometimes you get these emails and it's like, hey, it's Ben Stiller reaching out on refugees. You're like, okay, like, I'll get a text. Hey, it's been Stiller. I'm reaching out on behalf of. And you're like. And sometimes you get a text and it's like, hey, it's been still.

[B]

I know. Yeah. No, that's weird for you. That is not totally related.

[A]

It's not relatable at all. It's not. And sometimes I'm very disappointed.

[B]

Yeah.

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I get an email, I'm like, oh, the Goo Dolls. And I'm like, no. And then just as it's the Goo.

[B]

Goo Dolls, it's the Goos. Which I was going to say, I'm the reason that's on the forefront of your brain. And then you turned it against me.

[A]

What? In this ref. That's true. Yeah. You loaded the gun and I'm shooting it at you.

[B]

Yeah. It's fine.

[A]

It's because I emailed Rob Thomas from. And you said, from Goo Goo Dolls.

[B]

No, I didn't say from Google.

[A]

You said, I know Rob Thomas from Goo Dolls.

[B]

No, I did not said it.

[A]

And then you showed me a tattoo you had that said, I love Rob Thomas. Long live the Goo Goo Dolls.

[B]

Yeah.

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And it has its face.

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It just says, love the Goo.

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Love the Goo. Rob Thomas. It's a tribute.

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But it's like, yeah, I love the Goo. It's his quote.

[A]

Yeah, I love the Goo. So that works. Maybe he does love the Goo Goo Dolls.

[B]

Yeah, he maybe.

[A]

Or maybe they have a lot of hands. Nemesis Rob Thomas and Goo Goo Dolls. We were talking about how they both have. This is the truth. You didn't think Rob Thomas was in the Goo Dolls?

[B]

No, I didn't.

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They both have an insane amount of hits, that's all.

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That sound like my childhood.

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Yeah.

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You know, just like, so cozy to me.

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I want to push you around And.

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I will and I will yeah, I.

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Will I want to take you for granted oh, and I don't want the world to see me now we're goo. You want to be now we're goo. I'm gonna let you know when we're goo.

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Okay. That was.

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When I touch your Neo, it's, we've.

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Gone goo I don't want the world to see me because I don't understand yeah, that was the City of Angels song.

[A]

I loved it. Where Nick Cage is an angel. I'm sorry, wrong direction. That dude's got demon face. Jk, jk, jk. Nick. I know Nikki listens to the show. I just want to say you're handsome as fuck. But he also played Dracula, so he has face that goes. Either realm.

[B]

He can do. It's like, the type of person who can, like, wear any wig, look any, like, good in any kind of hair, he can.

[A]

With either realm.

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Yeah, either realm I can do.

[A]

I can do hell. I can do heaven.

[B]

Wow.

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Pretty good.

[B]

How?

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How? You want me to be from hell? Is that good? No, it got worse.

[B]

The first one was good.

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I could do hell. Hey.

[B]

Hard. It's a hard one.

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I could eat a peach for hours. I can't do it. This is me finding out. I can't do it. You were there when I found out.

[B]

Matthew McConaughey was hours.

[A]

People out here, they don't even know the outside world exists. Exists.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

You barely say it.

[B]

I know.

[A]

The south is taking a vacation every day.

[B]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. Their mouth is too busy chewing well.

[A]

Sucking juices from rare meats. I think it's just like, now.

[B]

And I can say that because I'm from the south.

[A]

And I can say because I give zero fucks. Play the thong song. Play the thong song. I told you, when I say I give zero, you hit thong. Oh, he's not even there, man.

[B]

I do think we should get one of those sound effect boards. I think we'd have so much fun with that.

[A]

I watch Rick and he has, like, beats and reverb, and I'm like, what am I doing?

[B]

I know.

[A]

We have so much fun with that.

[B]

Just watched him, too, and was like, he's really doing something.

[A]

I know. He's great.

[B]

He does, like, the Lisa Gilt, one of the Lisa Gilroy episodes. He, like, pulls back a curtain. Maybe he does this in every episode, but he, like, pulls back a curtain and she's like. But it's like a green. Like, he went back in and, like, you know, green screen.

[A]

Oh, that's something.

[B]

And it's just fun.

[A]

Yeah. He's. Rick Glassman is the answer to the question, what if we put more effort into this?

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

But I love. I love a classic. You made it weird. It's. Oh, yeah, it's a. It's a turkey sandwich.

[B]

It's a. Yeah, it's a. It's.

[A]

And Rick is like, what if I'm a sparro? You ever walk into a rest stop and you're like, sparrow, Sparrow.

[B]

You know what? I want this podcast to feel like, and I think we do it.

[A]

Podcast spot. It's a spot. The Sparrow podcast.

[B]

Spodcast podcast. You know, you love it.

[A]

Spodcast.

[B]

You love it. You love it.

[A]

Welcome to the Spodcast. We're talking.

[B]

We're talking toppings. We're talking sauce.

[A]

Is it too spicy?

[B]

At Sbarro, we don't know thick crust. We run out of things within five minutes.

[A]

This is episode 2006. We're about to kill ourselves.

[B]

I want this podcast to feel like, you know when you're, like, at the beach.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you're with your friends.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And you decide, like, I'm going to take a little snooze on the. On the. The towel.

[A]

You. And you lay down me a gift. Yeah. And you're on your sand bed.

[B]

You're on your sand bed. You hear the ocean.

[A]

Can I entertain?

[B]

But you also know. Because I'm almost done. You also hear your friends talk. Talking.

[A]

Yeah. The white noise machine is your friends having a nice afternoon.

[B]

Yeah. And you're. You're, like, engaged enough. Like, you're interested in what they're saying.

[A]

Yeah. It's like a nice little pod, and.

[B]

You want to hear how it's going. But, like, you don't have to do any of the efforting. You're just enjoying.

[A]

I just want to say this is why you're such a natural fit for the. For the pod of.

[B]

We're not saying any.

[A]

Any full words. I'm just saying you're a natural fit for the pot off. Because, like, that's exactly right. And. And with a Rick. There's nothing wrong with a Rick Glassman. If I throw on a Rick Glassman pod, it's because I've had a pot of black coffee.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I want something that's gonna like. And. And that is not a slam. That's. I'm like, yes, I'm in. And I'm listening.

[B]

Yeah. Because you don't want to miss.

[A]

I don't want to miss a thing. I feel the same way. About my favorite podcast, Valley Heat.

[B]

Me too.

[A]

And I will say Valley Heat every time I think to. It's so fucking funny. And I'm gonna say this about Valley Heat. Join the Patreon, because. Good morning, Burbank.

[B]

I have to do that now. So funny, because I just ran out of the.

[A]

And there's dozens of episodes, and they're all amazing. And most of them are about how stressed he is about releasing Valley Heat and how he feels bad now he gives refunds. And you. You didn't know you wanted to hear a guy being like, I'm sorry. I couldn't get the. And, like, it's. But it's so funny every time. So listen to Valley and join the Patreon. I did. It's amazing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And do ten. What are you doing? One or three bucks.

[B]

Yeah. Do ten.

[A]

Do five. Do ten.

[B]

Do five.

[A]

Do ten. Who cares? I'm here to tell you how to spend your money.

[B]

Yeah. But I love Valley. It's my favorite as well. But there. That is a perfect example of when you're starting to get, like, you want to take a nap on the beach.

[A]

Yeah. And you don't want to miss it.

[B]

You can't miss a single thing.

[A]

I once got stoned. Good story, bro. I got stoned. You. Everyone listening knows I've. I've been chilling it with the weed. Except for Dead Grass Leisure Drink. That's not an ad. That's real. I do find those to be the perfect dose.

[B]

That's different.

[A]

Who cares? It is different. Something about it being a drink, too. It goes through you faster and leaves you cleaner. I don't know. I like it. Anyway.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's your birthday. I'm probably gonna win tonight.

[B]

Yeah. By the way, it is my birthday today.

[A]

It took us that long to acknowledge it.

[B]

Yeah. It's been 14 minutes.

[A]

We'll do that in the intro, and it'll seem like we set it right up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Anyway, now I'm all off my game. I don't know what I was saying. Oh, I got stoned. And I was like, I'm gonna listen to Valley Heat. Because nothing makes me laugh more than Valley Heat. I scream, laugh at Valley Heat. Like, I hit things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

At Valley Heat. So I'm like, what could be better than getting stoned and listening to Valley Heat? And I'm listening to it, and I'm like, I'm missing it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm missing it. It's not a stone show.

[B]

I had that even.

[A]

It could be, if you're a very smart stone person. But I'm like a dingbat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had that Can't Follow Blues Clues.

[B]

Wow, that was a good call.

[A]

I was gonna say bluey, but I changed it. A Blue's Clues.

[B]

Yeah, I had that even just with the brain fog. Like, I was sick last week and my mom was visiting.

[A]

Was this a country song?

[B]

It was. I. We haven't even really talked about this. But, like, I. It was the kind of sick where it was like brain fog heavy. And I still feel like the worst one pulling out of it.

[A]

I think your brain. Sorry. Just to relate, here's the other thing I was going to interject. When you're on a sand bed and you're not comfortable and you realize if you just shimmy your head back and forth, you'll have a nice little pillow, like an Egyptian neck pillow. Like, it'll hold you perfect. Because it's sand.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And sand is like. I can't believe it's tiny rocks. Because it's the opposite of rocks. Oh, it's like we are rocks. Yeah, but don't judge a book by its cov. No, it says, bruv, we got you. You wanna. You wanna pillow. We're also black British. We're black British.

[B]

We're black British.

[A]

It doesn't matter. We don't have the accent, but we do say rough.

[B]

They do have the accent.

[A]

No, I know these, these. Oh, the in the ref people.

[B]

Yeah, no, it's a beautiful metaphor for, like, people who are really like eights on the Enneagram. The challenger. People who are like, really tough and.

[A]

Like, they can also be sand if.

[B]

They learn to, like, soften, then they're actually the softest little softies in there.

[A]

Love it. Need it. So that was the first interjection. This interjection here. What were we talking about? Don't let us both lose it. We were talking about Valley Heat. Getting stoned. Oh.

[B]

Oh. Being sick. Brain frog.

[A]

I think, I think. Sorry. That brain function.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What am I, Peter Atia? See, I got that from Valley Heat.

[B]

Reference.

[A]

Peter Atia is a longevity doctor. I got that from Valley Heat. So, Christian, I'm conceding the point. You are. You are influencing how I riff. Yeah, And I couldn't be happier because I think you're the funniest. So. But like, coming with a pop up, like, brain. Your brain. What? What is this?

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

No, no, no. I was giving an example. Oh, I'm not actually doing it anyway. See, I'm not as good as he is anyway. I think you need. You're talking about brain fog and what a drag it is and how that's kind of the worst part of being sick. And I'm like, yeah, because if I have brain fog, I can't get the machine running to make me happy. Like, so much of my happiness is contingent on while creativity, but then also like choosing good thoughts, like leaning towards gratitude and.

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

So if you don't have that energy, you just end up being a stiff. Hey.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And because you're just tired and you. And then you feel blue.

[B]

Yeah. It does take energy to be happy. And that's like my. My therapist will say that when I'm sort of in that kind of state. And she's like, well, yeah, if you think about it, it's like you have depressed life force. Like your life force is depressed. Depressed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's not like this big scary thing.

[A]

Express it. Just don't depress it.

[B]

Yeah. That you have that you just don't have a ton of energy. And like, it will pass. And I am feeling like I'm coming back online.

[A]

I know. It's so fun to watch.

[B]

Yeah. But I do also. I don't feel 100% back. And I'm just sort of trying to surrender to that. And also, like, remember that I've been here before. And so all the scary stories that I will inevitably tell myself of, like, this is who I am now. I'll never feel fully alive and joy again.

[A]

So. Good. And you're so Valerie. And this is why people love you on the show. We need to be reminded.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And by the way, that's like the whole topic of this episode is like seasons and sometimes you're just in a closed place and you just need to remind yourself that it's not forever. And that's what you had to do with your illness and your mom visiting and all that.

[B]

Yeah. So the. That sort of the double whammy of that, like the brain fog, the illness. My mom was visiting, which is just disorienting mostly. You know, it's not like bad. It's just like, what's happening. And the first night I was like, at my sickest and my mom. It was my first. My mom's first night in town and I was about to get my period and our. We had a scheduled power outage. And remember this? So, like, our power was out. Do you remember?

[A]

I was here.

[B]

It was like last week. Yeah. Our power was out. We used the generator. But like, so it got completely dark in our house. And we have candles and it was so medieval. It was so, so, like, fever dreamy to me, where I was like, what's happening? I'm, like, cooking over candlelight with my mom there in, like, a haze and, like, feeling afraid of witchcraft, like, dissociated. It was.

[A]

Should I wear a tuffet?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, I knew what you mean. What?

[A]

Little Miss Muffet wears a tuffet?

[B]

No, she sits on a tu.

[A]

She sits on a tuit. But we both see that she's got that strawberry shortcake kind of nurses. Looks like Jiffy Pop.

[B]

That is an insane synchronicity. I literally bought one of those yesterday.

[A]

One of those hats. A Jiffy Pop hat. But your hair's the popcorn.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Do you want a hat after this promo? Jan Robinson has the. You know those hats you wear that look like your hair's the popcorn?

[B]

It's not just a Little Miss Muffet hat. It's a Jan Robinson Little Miss Valley heat references.

[A]

And if you don't get it, it's a free show. I don't know why you got to get in it.

[B]

Yeah. Because, like, having. Putting your hair in silk hat. Sleeping in, like, a silk hat helps the health of your hair cap. Yeah. And I was really like, am I literally gonna wear these. This, like, with my white cotton nightgown.

[A]

And just look like candle. Like a single candle holder, and you go out, and the trees are scraping the window and it's windy.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And you're like, hello. That's what you will do if you wear that.

[B]

And. And I also got this new mask, like I wore last night that you're supposed to wear all night.

[A]

Your vanilla sky mask.

[B]

My vanilla sky mask. And I was thinking. I thought a lot about this hat. Like, I bought this hat.

[A]

I can't.

[B]

That's a.

[A]

That's a good sink.

[B]

I bought a new white cotton nightgown because mine's getting, like, dingy, and I'm. So I'm going to be sleeping in my white cotton nightgown with my Jiffy Pop hat and my mask.

[A]

And then cut to me with. I have my intake nose opener thing.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I got mouth tape on ear. I don't always wear an eye mask, but, I mean.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How close am I to just putting my head into a block of cement every night? I know, because I just.

[B]

Every orifice is closed.

[A]

I need clean air coming through my nose. I don't want to breathe through my mouth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I can't hear. I can still hear in my earplugs for sure. But I can't be listening to everyone breathe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then sometimes an eye mask.

[B]

I know, I. But I was thinking about it because I was like, oh, I'm turning 36. And like, this is how a 36 year old has to sleep because, like, we don't have collagen anymore, so we need like a mask that adds collagen to our face and then a, like, silk that protects our brittle old ass hair.

[A]

Yeah. Women are. Are better, in my opinion. I just think there's something more free floral. Floral and springtime about women. But. And I'm not trying to be funny here. I'm saying that means there's more systems to start failing. I'm not. I'm really not trying to make you feel bad. I'm just saying men are like, I smell like. And I'm grumpy. And then like, they get old and they're like, I smell a little bit more like. And I'm a little more grumpy. Women are like, I'm life. I'm. I. I flew here with a. With a. With a butterfly net that I caught on a shooting star. And then they're like, oh, no, my nails. You know, like, there's a lot to. But I also go bad.

[B]

Do think that men have that. Like, that's why you have so many systems now is because you're snoring and then like, you know why?

[A]

That embarrassed me a little.

[B]

Oh, no, no.

[A]

Snoring is just so.

[B]

What?

[A]

Like, it's so.

[B]

Oh, I didn't mean to embarrass.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no. You didn't. You did not embarrass me. I'm saying I don't. I don't know how I phrase it, but, like, it activated the embarrassment system.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

I didn't get a full warning light. I just was like, oh, that's interesting. Yeah, it's just so guttural. And you're just like a juicy hole with wetness in there. So gross.

[B]

Not that gross when you snore.

[A]

And my poor babies.

[B]

I mean, Lila even snores sometimes.

[A]

Well, that's adorable.

[B]

I know, it's.

[A]

She's. I think she's just. She's like room temperature and not entirely dry, but she's not slick.

[B]

Yeah, she's like.

[A]

It's like made out of clay or something. Yeah, like, her insides are smooth a little.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, it's adorable. Her breath. Her breath smells like strawberry milk. We say it all the time. She smells like.

[B]

She still smells like cupcake because she hasn't gone through Puberty yet, so she's just got this pure life sweetness.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So good. Yeah. But anyway, how did the. The Jiffy Pop? Oh, just because it was like, very medieval and like the.

[A]

Hello?

[B]

Yeah, it was a weird week. And then like, arrow the whole week with Errol.

[A]

You're looking for someone named Errol? Errol?

[B]

Lavinia.

[A]

Lavinia, yeah. That's a good one. Lavinia, are you home? Lavinia, have you a craving for your sour cream radish? Like you're hoping Lavinia's in the icebox getting sour cream radish.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

But it's not definitely sour cream radish.

[B]

Couldn't do a sour cream radish in the dark.

[A]

Oh, I see.

[B]

I just couldn't live at that time, is what I'm trying to say.

[A]

It's funny, I didn't know you were going through that because when we had the generator, I. Look, I don't want to make it a gender thing, but feeling useful is a great feeling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And having that generator we bought. This is not an ad, it's a jackery. And they had a Black Friday sale. I recommend waiting till next Black Friday because they're so expensive. But my friend Chris emailed or texted me and he was like, these are like half off. And I bought it. And then I immediately regretted it. I was like, what is my. And then I remembered I live in an area where there's constant recently blackouts. So I rolled this thing out, plugged a couple lamps into it, and I felt like I was happy for hours.

[B]

That did.

[A]

Actually, I did it.

[B]

That changed my mood. Yeah. The medieval experience that I was having was before you did that. And once you did that and it. We just had like a bright lamp in the center of the house.

[A]

Charged our phones.

[B]

This is actually really cozy and feels like camping and it's nice. So it did. That did turn it around and actually that's a really good point that you said that I am doing the thing in our gp. Yeah, really good point. I'm doing the thing that we do. Like you're catching me doing it live. Where your mind state even goes back and paints the memories of like, I've been in this haze forever. Remember when the power was out? What the hell was that?

[A]

You don't have the brain power to even recall the full picture.

[B]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

It just looks for its own confirmation.

[B]

Right. Which is all just. It's so nuanced. It's so moment to moment, including, like, I right now can feel the Temptation to be like, I've been in a brain fog for like 10 full days. But I remember saying to you like four days ago, I'm out of the brain fog. I'm feeling great.

[A]

But brain fog goes, that didn't happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like depression. Depression also says. And with respect to the clinically depressed, I'm just saying in my experience of depression, you go, like, I've never been happy. And it's like, that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or anger. I've never. I've never been. Not angry.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And it's like, that's actually anxious is.

[B]

A real one for me. I'm like, oh, I live just as a ball of anxiety. And that's. Right. That is not close to true.

[A]

And you. And sorry to preach here, but like, I have to be. And I'm gonna say we all have to be really careful with our language because spells that you cast on yourself, like, this is the real me. Like, when I'm anxious, I go, oh, this is the real me. And you go, no, no. That's how you felt as a child. And it wasn't the real you then and it's not the real you now. It's just familiar. I know I said it last week, but the fact that we don't seek happiness, we seek the most familiar feeling really broke my. It broke my butt. I have two cracks. It looks like a plus symbol. And you don't want to know how I poop, but it comes out kind of like a pipe python, like venom, like four holes.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

Oh, my God. Weird riff, bro.

[A]

When you acknowledge. I'm also reading this book called the Laws of Human Nature by Robert Green, who did this podcast. And it's really like helping me see, like, people are weird, but we're all the same. At least. And he's like, we all think we're rational, but we're irrational. We all think we're generous, but we're all self centered. And like, you just have to get honest about that and then you can actually start working on it. So I'm trying to be like, that's what. You don't seek happiness, you seek. The most familiar feeling was to me is I'm like, you feel anxious. You feel like I have this phenomenon where. And I'm really getting over it. Whenever I'm flying high, usually on the road after the first shows, the second day, having my coffee, reading my Rupert, I'm having this amazing morning. I'll be feeling a 10 out of 10 often. And then I'll think I should text or call my parents, which is a very stressful area for me. I love them, but it's not an easy area. It could be. Remember in Dune when he puts his hand in that box?

[B]

Yeah. Obviously. Think about it every day.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Every day.

[A]

Chalamet in the box.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And he's like, what's gonna happen? That's my. It's just a roll of the dice. You don't know. And sometimes you get add a boy. And sometimes you just randomly get box of snakes. And you're like, I know I'm mixing meds, but, like, metaphors. Metaphor butts. I got four butts. Like venom.

[B]

We can't have a sound machine. It would be overwhelming.

[A]

I am a sound machine. I know. It's like, we should do this when we're silly. Anyway, I. We're done with what I was just saying. Oh, that. Because feeling fantastic isn't a familiar feeling for me. So I go, this isn't right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not supposed to be wearing white tap shoes and a tuxedo. I'm supposed to be in, like, a weird, dark place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So let's curb this feeling and let's get more familiar when. What is that? And by the way, I'm doing that constantly. I'm going, things are getting a little too happy here. I don't do it with my fam. I don't do it with you or Leela.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't always do it with myself. But sometimes if I'm feeling a little too happy, it might come out as, like, let's overeat or something. Let's get something shitty in here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like the pee pee smell behind most popular perfumes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's mix it up.

[B]

Mix it up.

[A]

But also, I'm telling you, 45. Doing the work. Fuck that shit.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Fuck that shit. That's broken. It's not you. What?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You feel guilty that you feel happy. So. A lot. One of the parts is like, I should give this to my parents. Almost like a tax.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or should try and use this energy. I have to make my mother happy. That's not your job. No, that's not your job.

[B]

No. You shouldn't. They took. Yeah, you.

[A]

You can't control anybody.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I told. We've talked about this before. It's weird when you're in a situation where you feel like the main relationship is manipulation. And I realized that this year, I was like, There was no reciprocity, meaning. Oh, interesting. That's. That's Weird. That makes me think of this. Am I right? Is that correct?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, actually, it is a little bit like that, but it's like this. Oh, I remember that. I've had that feeling. You see what I'm doing? I do it on this podcast every day and with my friends and in life. That's a learned behavior.

[B]

I know.

[A]

All we do is play Michael Douglas the game in my family.

[B]

That Michael Douglas.

[A]

You just go, what's my outcome? How do I coerce? And. Yeah, like, rat maze you to the cheese that I want you at.

[B]

Oh, my God. Totally.

[A]

It's crazy.

[B]

And it is. It's such a micro thing that I. You don't even know exactly what's wrong when you're having these conversations.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Where you're like, why doesn't this feel weird? But there's a lot of, like, saying something and then, like, someone pausing and then just sort of asking a question that isn't exactly relevant or not asking a question at all.

[A]

They're starting a new. There. There's a new deal.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They're dealing you new hole cards.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then you look at them, and one is, like, just a picture of a duck smoking a cigarette, and one of them's a queen.

[B]

And you're still holding your original hand, and you're like, do I just throw this away?

[A]

The other one is uno. And your mom is dealing uno. Dad's dealing you 100%. John's out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're just. You're like, I. I was playing Uno. And now I'm. And it's all, I told you, I had a lunch. It changed my life to a certain extent. Where it was me, my mom, and my mom's, like, caregiver, and my mom and me and her caregiver were having a reciprocating flowing. Oh, that's interesting. Just what a human would call a conversation. And my mom was like, stop it. This is ridiculous. You're ignoring me. Because, like, it was. It was like. It was like, what are you doing? You don't eat that. You eat this.

[B]

Yeah. You're not allowed to come and eat this.

[A]

I'm supposed to say, oh, PD so I can. And then the woman was like, I saw you were in that Christmas movie. Was that fun? Or is it stressful? Like, not a leading question.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Not. What am I gleaming from this for me?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I can't believe I know someone who was in a movie like that. That's like a me thing. It was like, how was that? Where did you Shoot that.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

I was actually in Canada. It was kind of hard. It was, you know, very, very cold. I don't do well with the cold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Are you a cold person? I actually, I do like the snow with my daughter. Well, kids are great with snow. Like, I love this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That sort of thing. But my mother would just be like, you look so handsome in that sweater. I wish you would come home more. Yeah, like that's. I show her the poster. Look at how handsome you are in that sweater. Sweetie, why don't you come home?

[B]

I know. It really is. You might as well be talking to a record player.

[A]

It is. It's Little Shop of Horrors too. It's this weird, like compulsive. Feed me, Seymour. And you're like, I don't know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And when I'm in therapy and I'm trying to tell. Now mixing metaphors, I'm trying to tell, Seymour, you don't have to feed that plant.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like that's, that's a futile endeavor. Like, the plant's never going to be like, I don't need to eat people anymore.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I like the food pyramid as described by the fda. It's not happening, Seymour. And that's a really hard thing to do. And we unpack that. It feels like you're abandoning. It feels like you're betraying. It feels like you're wicked. It feels like you're selfish, you're a cliche and all this sort of stuff. And it's like, no, not just them. Everybody.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Is in charge of their own feelings. You can impact people and they can respond to you, but you don't wake up and go, all right, let's animate. That's kind of how it felt. Like I could puppet them and get them feeling. And I've. I've spent so much work trying to go. Like, if you did appear to change your parents mood, that was just a fluke. It wasn't actually you. It was something else.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because that protector, seven year old children don't fix grown up problems.

[B]

No.

[A]

With a song and dance in a silly voice. That's just not what's happening.

[B]

And if, if you had it, like, if you actually had, then they wouldn't still be asking you to.

[A]

I mean, when you say it, it just has that ring of truth. And yet I know there's still resistance. I'm trying to misunderstand. Massage these things, like, into me. If that were true, then they would have been. We've said this on the pod before. Then you would have been the solution. And you weren't. Because you're not.

[B]

Because you're not.

[A]

Because you're not.

[B]

You're not. And also, you never, ever should have been asked to, like, even if you could.

[A]

Right.

[B]

That's not an okay thing to ask someone to do. Especially that. Because you can't. So it's, it's. And. And I get. I don't think it's like, consciously being done. I know it's not. I know it's very. Actually specifically unconsciousness in them that is causing this pain. But it's like the messaging is here. Brand new life that was born into this big, scary world. Here's exactly how you get your needs met. You take care of us.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And you fix our problems.

[A]

Right?

[B]

So no wonder it's the scariest, most, most unbelievable thing to that part, right? To be like, yeah, they got first crack. Yeah. Like, no, if you let this go, you still will be loved. And it's like, I'm pretty sure, like, the first message I got when I got here, right when I reported for.

[A]

Duty, so much of my life is like, okay, like, that's how I feel. My therapist will be like, you know, you're safe if. Even if this person is mad at.

[B]

You, oh, my God. And I'm like, sure, yeah, my therapist says that too. And I'll go, like, she, she even says, like, things like, could you. Do you think you could tell this person, like, hey, that really upset me? Or I don't. I don't totally feel safe in this relationship. And I will all laugh and go, could you imagine? Wouldn't that be great?

[A]

As you say that. And we're back in a very familiar, we made it weird space, which is like, I. I really do feel I could be wrong. I could be wrong that, like, it's just too vulnerable to be like, that really upset me. Because that's a card. You deal. And they look at it and they're like, what's his game? Yeah, like, what does he want? And it's like, he wants me to apologize. And then the computer starts smoking and sparks shoot out of it. And it's like, that's not what we do here.

[B]

Right? And the fear is. And this has this. I have this fear. And you have it, and you really rightfully have it. Because I can think of at least a couple examples where this actually did happen to you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But the fear of saying, if I tell this person, like, that makes me feel unsafe or that hurts my feelings, they are going to somehow talk me out of It.

[A]

And then make me say the opposite.

[B]

Believe that I'm at fault.

[A]

You'll say the opposite, or you'll be at fault, or most often the move is, well, think of how I feel.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And you're like, can we put that to one side?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just telling you that upset me.

[B]

Right.

[A]

No, but we.

[B]

But we wouldn't be like, can we put that to one side? We would be like, okay, I'm sorry. I went. You know.

[A]

Right. Of course.

[B]

And every time.

[A]

And I'm only saying this. We're not just bitching. I'm saying this for solidarity. I know there's a lot of people out there, and you're talking, and it's almost like puke is coming up. Up to. To the back of your mouth. You're busting with puke. And the only way to get it down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I don't know what puking is, but it's like a disaster, I guess. And the only. A therapist would be like, what is that disaster? And we could unpack that. But I'm just saying, like, it feels like it's going nowhere, and it's just leading to more pain and hurt and all this stuff. And the only way to do it is to swallow it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you just go, you're right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, I'm so sorry. You're the. You're the chief, or whatever it is.

[B]

Because you're like, if I actually let this out, I'm gonna be the one that has to clean up the mess.

[A]

Well, you know when therapists say, you should say this, and maybe there's some screaming at the radios right now, but it's like, they're like, you say it for. You don't say it to get something. And it's like, sure, but we're back in Dune, and I got my hand in the box, and you don't know how that feels. And. And it hurts. And I'd rather just talk about it on this podcast, and I'd rather. That's why I love internal family systems. You go in and talk to the wounded parts, and you relate to them. I can trust them. And you show them that you're trustworthy, that you're not like that, that you're not trying to manipulate. The thing I say to most of my parts, meaning these wounded parts and protectors that live inside me. They're just aspects of my personality. Is that you say, I understand.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'm not trying to get rid of you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I respect you, and I am grateful to you. And I understand why you did what you did, and thank you for doing what you did. All I'm trying to say is, can you see that it's 20, 25, and we're married and have kids and we live in California? Can you just see that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For your own sake. And if you're not ready, let's go back in the weird basement we've built for ourselves. For some reason, they always say, okay, they're all pretty.

[B]

They're working with you.

[A]

They're pretty groovy. Yeah, they're a good team.

[B]

Yeah. But it takes. It's take. Sometimes it takes.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes next week you go in there, back.

[B]

Well, and I was gonna say, sometimes it just takes a while to, like, get them to trust you in the way that yours are trusting you now.

[A]

All right, we'll go to the mids here. Mid. Roll ads again.

[B]

So mid.

[A]

You're. So these. These ads are mid.

[B]

They're not mid, though. They're good.

[A]

They're good.

[B]

Yeah, they're good. What. What is. What do Gen Z's say for good?

[A]

They don't have for good.

[B]

Yeah, they only. Everything is mid or below.

[A]

That's. That's Sharon. It's Chap. It's Chapel Roan. But that's Sharon. Hopefully these ads are Sharon to you. They're real, and we actually use these things and like them. I forget what it's for, but I'm. I'm sure they're on my desk right now. Roll that beautiful bean footage. Have you ever laid on a bed of nails? I. I do it all the time. Not exactly. I lay on my Shakti mat whenever I'm feeling stressed or I'm feeling fatigued in my body. I got tension that I wish I could get a massage, but I don't have time or money or want to be coated in oil by a stranger. I love my Shakti mat because it dissolves the tension in my back, neck, shoulders, and arms quickly and on command. I am obsessed. Shakti mat is what it sounds like. Like I said, a bed of nails. It sounds thousands and thousands of tiny little pokes. It's an acupressure mat that I roll out and lay down on. And I'm not gonna lie, it is intense. In fact, this is a wonderful gift for people that you don't know what to get for them because it's fun and it's interesting, and it says, hey, I think you're an interesting person that might like to try this. But within minutes of laying down on it, you feel this Deep warmth start to emerge and after 20 minutes you feel completely relaxed and your muscles just yield to the experience. Like cold exposure or deep tissue work or sauna that release after doing something you don't want to do. Maybe that doesn't quite make sense. Like laying on a bunch of spiky pokes suddenly yields this experience that you couldn't have gotten otherwise. Shakti mat is a total game changer, moving us through the pain and back home to ourselves. I've tried other kinds of acupressure mattress. They are not the same. Shakti is the sharpest on the market, which is what you want. If you're like me, you will get addicted to this experience and crave it. And it's the only ones that work. Handmade in India by people who are paid fairly with the highest quality materials and I can vouch for that. Is a really, really nice and pretty. It's a beautiful product. And I love the pillow. You put it under your neck and it gets all these pokies in your neck and you feel that tension just fade away. What a wonderful secret weapon for deeper sleep, stress relief, muscle relaxation, better circulation, mental clarity and just a general sense of well being whenever you need it. Shakti mats are my secret weapon for reliable serenity and relief. So go to Shakti matt S-H-A-K-T-I M A T.com use promo code weird30 and you'll get 30% off any Shakti mat. That's shaktimat.com promo code weird30. We're also brought to us by our friends at Modern Mammals. You guys know I'm obsessed with modern mammals. You probably see me in your feeds talking about modern mammals. And I know that because people often come up to me and they say, are those just ads that you do or is it the real deal? And I always tell them, of course it's the real deal. You guys know how I do this? I find products that I love and then I do ads. And that's how it went with modern mammals. I hate champagne poo. It dries your hair out and makes it look all poofy. But I want to have clean hair. I don't want to lay on my pillow, get it all greasy and then put my face in that and wake up pimples and feeling gross. It's disgusting. You got to have clean hair, but you want it to look great. That's what modern mammals does. It cleans it, but leaves just enough natural oil in your hair to still be clean. But to give it Some control. It's almost like the feeling of when you got get back from the beach after swimming in the ocean. There's a little bit of bed headiness to it so you don't have to put product in it. It's ready to go. I'm talking about I'll wash my hair with modern mammals and do a red carpet event that night. It gives it flow, it gives it control. It's not poofy. It's all in one place. It's basically a perfect hair day in three seconds. It's absolutely a game changer. I travel with little pouches of it. You'll see those on set here at the podcast. And I only, only, only use modern mammals. Over 40,000 guys have made the switch. Once you use it, you will be hooked for life. Six seconds, three seconds, depending on how much you scrub to perfect hair. Come on. Modernmammals.com weird. You can get a special combo deal and try both products, the bar and the bottle. The bar is perfect for a gentler, lighter, plastic free experience. And the bottle is the more classic shampoo style. Both of those for 44 bucks. They last a really long time. Modern mammals.com weird. All right, we're back. You know, it's funny, 20 minutes left here, but I think this is going to be key because we sort of already had this conversation. Do you mind if I take the lead and tell the story here? Please, just because I know you have great things to say about it as well. But to set the tone, obviously you can tell we're pretty lit up this week and feeling really great and, and what happened was I've been out. I mentioned, I think that I've been pitching a show and I've gotten a couple no's and that wasn't, obviously that's never fun for anybody. Wasn't devastating, but, you know, hard. It always hurts my feelings when you're like, you want this? And they're like, no thanks. And you're like, aha. It's like, I should be over asking people out, but I'm constantly asking networks out and they're always like, I actually got a thing going on with the bear. You're like, okay, no, no. Anyway, no shade, no shade there. I just picked a show. Anyhoozle, what happened was yesterday. You guys know I work with modern mammals and I love Modern mammals. And Modern mammals is a small company and one of the things we do is we make ads for them. You've probably seen them on Social. Who cares? This is almost over. Yesterday we Shot a new batch of ads for them, which was so fun. I don't want to give away the concept because I really want people to see it, but it was me and Matt McCarthy and my friend Brian Cullen, who's amazing and does everything. He's the king. I'm like, in work love with him. He's just so awesome, guys. I even said this to him. I was like, guys like me, we need a guy like you. He's very creative as well. But I just mean, like, he's a do it guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If you show up with a. With a C stand and your own lights and three cameras and booms and lavs and all this stuff, and you just set up in 15 minutes and we're going.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you. You pair that with a manic Me creative.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Gangbusters. And then you bring in one of the best actors in the world, Matt McCarthy, specifically. Commercial acting is fantastic. So here's what happened is I was just losing my mojo, and maybe you've even heard it over the past couple weeks. One of the things that's fun about the show is you can track, like, oh, we're kind of in the slump. And there they are dealing with a slump. What happened was. I'm actually going to start with this metaphor or this comparison. My therapist, Dr. Gary Penn, my previous therapist, he said to me once, he was like, sometimes, you know, I was dating somebody and we weren't being very sexual. We weren't having a lot of sex. And he was like, sometimes you just need to get one. Like, the way to have more sex is to have sex. Which sounds so stupid.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's like. And I don't mean to say hold your nose, but it's like, just. Just try to do it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It might be a little weird or unfamiliar. Just try to get one under your belt. Pun. And you. You were like, absolutely, like sometimes. And. And he was even saying you could take Viagra or something. It's just like, get one going. And then after that, you won't need the Viagra because you'll have momentum.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that's what I need to remember. You just need to remember.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what I've really, really forgotten about. Mojo and creativity. And that is so linked to happiness.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So this happened to me, Matt Paige, my wonderful assistant, who also produces some things that we did. Everybody was fed at that table. We all showed up, and as soon as there were cameras and lights. Not from an ego way. I've had that. It was more like, look, we're like six, seven, eight people collaborating, making something. And there was respect. Like, people giving ideas and we're trying things. And Brian made this thing and let's see if it works. And, like, we're playing in the toy box so much. And Val, both Matt and I, at the end of it, he was like, that was like old times. And I was like, it gave me life. And we were like. And then I couldn't sleep last night. And that show that I was pitching, I was ready to walk away from it. I was like, I don't know if I want to make a show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I said to Birbiglia, do I really have it in me to make another show? And he was like, I don't know. You know, he's got it. I love Mikey. And he was like, I don't know. And then one day of shooting and making was going back to. The metaphor was the sex that made me go. I love sex. And it's not. This is different. In my 20s, it would have been to service my ego and to make me feel like a big shot. This was to feel like a part of something. And everyone was seen and heard and witnessed and held by the project. And we made it. It's gonna be funny. It's gonna help this company, everything about it. But I was like, it's. And we've probably had this happen on this podcast already. We've had this revelation. But you go, like, it's like waking up where you go, I like, I love making stuff. And when it's hard, it's fun and you wanna be together and you wanna figure it out. And I was like. I said to you this morning, I go, I have lead in my pencil. I was like, the mojo's back. I couldn't stop emailing me myself. And, you know, I got mouth tape on and it's dark. I got to take it off to unlock my phone and all this stuff. And I'm. I emailed myself like 15 times all these ideas about the show. I called the guys. I was like, I have this fix that I think is going to make the show better. I have that call today. But it was like momentum and remembering yourself. And sometimes if you. If there's no juice in your life, here's what's important. Nobody asked us to make the Modern mammals ads. Obviously, the CEO is like, whenever you make stuff. Thank you. We love it. But there was no deadline and we just got it together and we just did it. It was very. Be kind. Rewind. We were in the parking lot, making our version of Terminator with tinfoil. And just that. I know everyone already understands what I'm saying, but I was like. It felt like waking up, and I was like, what are you, nuts? You have a great idea for a cartoon. You should make that. And no one could say that to me. I couldn't say it to myself. But making some ads from modern mammals made me remember that I love making things. And I snapped out of it. It was like smelling salt.

[B]

Snap out of it.

[A]

Snap out of it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, you related to that as well.

[B]

Well, I did, and I. You know, my. My perspective of it was that, like, we've been really excited about this idea.

[A]

The cartoon.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And then you kind of.

[A]

Yeah, well, I got a couple no's, and I. We pitched it two places, and we got two nose. And I will concede. And this is really important to me because all the men in our lives don't do this. It hurt my feelings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it took the wind out of my sails, and I took it personally. And I tend to take things personally. I go, they don't like the idea. They don't like me. Like, it just kind of fucked me up. And I know we could break that down and talk about how that's not true, but I want to show my vulnerability. And even with pride, I'll say my weakness. That's like, a soft spot for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So. Yeah, I got hurt.

[B]

Yes. And so you. Like, this was, like, on Sunday, you were, like, kind of gave me the spiel of, like, I think I'm. I don't want to maybe do this. I don't know, like, just the questioning of it.

[A]

Well, you go, like, do you really want to be looking at a drawing of a room and being like, I don't know. I saw the couch over there. Like, everything that seems so exciting to me today seemed like a nightmare. Very similar to your brain fog. And you're, like, being sick.

[B]

Right. And I. This morning, when we were talking about it. Yeah. Because when you were saying that, I. I was like. But I don't know if you remember, because I was like. But remember, the. Like, the story of it was like, we could work on this together. We could do this, like, from Ojai. We could do the voices. And, like, I was trying to remind you that there was a time when you were really excited about making it.

[A]

And that people would come up and be like, that show represented the kind of family I had, and I've never seen that on TV before for. And I would say, that's why we made it.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Not because we could make it or make money making it. We made it because we want solidarity.

[B]

But also we made it to make something. Because making something feels so good.

[A]

That's what I forgot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I like when you have brain fog and you can't remember how to be happy. I know that's my thesis, but I'm just saying, similarly, when you haven't made something in a while and when you haven't taken a chance in a while or mixed up your life in a while, and that's really what a new show would be. It would be mixing up my life. Suddenly say things like, I like my life. I like just, this is good. And that's true.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But then you just have one day where you're collaborating and, you know. I know you know, because we're. We. You were saying, this is making me want to make another short film. Being on a set and having someone be like. Like, I was just looking at the framing with Brian, and I was like, I really love this bar. I just want to see this bar. And he's like, oh, let's zoom out a little bit. Just that tiny little thing makes you go like, here we are. I know that sounds crazy, but you're like, here we are.

[B]

I know we're making.

[A]

It's like when you see children playing well together and you're like, you said creativity. Remember you were talking about how creativity is like your spiritual practice.

[B]

Yeah. This is what I really am believing. I think that it's. I think it's sort of the key to everything, in the way. And I've said this on the podcast before, but in the way that, like, the truest nature of reality is creative because it's here. Because it's here and it's creating. And, like, even the things that live and die plant again and create more. Like, why do we have that cycle? It's so that creation keeps being necessary because that's the energy for everything.

[A]

Why do we die so creation can continue?

[B]

Because if everything is stagnant, then there's no then. It's like, you created, and then there's no more creating.

[A]

You need to get out of the way for more creation.

[B]

More creation and not.

[A]

And which is you ultimately, anyway, doing right.

[B]

And while we're here, it's like we can either go with the flow of life and take our rightful place as a part of nature, which is inherently creative, or we forget who we are and we stifle that and we wonder why we're depressed and why nothing satisfies us because we are not going with the flow of the whole universe.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all of the nature of reality. So, yeah. I think even when it's a shampoo commercial, it's holy. Because you like, you experience.

[A]

That was my experience.

[B]

Or even, like, you know, I'm submitting my short film and I'm seeing there's thousands of short films. That doesn't matter. The product doesn't matter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Honestly, I see thousands of short films and I go, I hope every single one of those experiences were like my experience. Because the more people are like, plugging into this and. And really owning their creativity and getting.

[A]

In that state would all do better.

[B]

We'd all do better. And that's. I was telling you, like, because you were saying. And I remember having this feeling when I made my short film. It's like, I. I couldn't believe that all these people would help me make my thing. It felt so loving.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That anyone would devote any amount of time or energy.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

To helping me make this thing. This thing.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you were having that feeling too.

[A]

Well, the. The improv let us use their space. And I was like, that was, like, so special for me. I reached out and I was just like, hey, we don't have a big budget, but we're looking for this, and we got to shoot at the improv. And I was like, yeah, what? But, like, that would. And then I'm like, hey, we don't have a big budget, but we need background actors. And there were just two people there that were just jumping in the scene. And I kept being like, sorry, have you. And they're like, we're having a great time. And I was like, we're gonna pay you. And they were like, you don't have to pay us. And I was like, what is this?

[B]

It's because they. It's because you aligned yourself to the nature of the universe.

[A]

Well, say the thing you said about sun. The sun.

[B]

You turned all. It's so simple. And. But it does take courage.

[A]

It takes courage.

[B]

Takes courage. But it's so simple. It's like just tilting your face towards the sun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And. And like, leaning into the creativity. And then everyone around you who you invite in is going to be like, oh, my God, that looks so nice. I want to tilt my face to the sun. I'll tilt.

[A]

Then you're all looking at the sun.

[B]

And then you're all looking at the sun. And you're all benefiting. It's mutually beneficial. It's Not. That's why, like. And I know that there are toxic sets.

[A]

Of course. That's what makes them so horrible.

[B]

And that is such a betrayal, because you really could be having summer camp.

[A]

No.

[B]

As long as everybody is. And I don't even understand, like, it's. I think it gets toxic when there's, like, a hierarchy of, like, well, these people are above the line, and these are blue. And you're like, are you kidding me?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's incredible that anybody is here.

[A]

That's how we roll. Was the sitcom I did, and then I guessed it on. I've been on other people's sitcoms, and I'm like. Like, it's so quiet in between takes. No one's having fun. Oh. I mean, it broke my heart.

[B]

I'm friends with a lot of costume designers or costumers. And, like, it's so sad how guarded and jaded a lot of them get because they're so. And it's so understandable. It's not their fault. They're so used to being disrespected on a set, and you're like, that is so such a missed opportunity.

[A]

Well, I also say doing something with. I think it was about six, seven people, and to know everyone's name and to be able to look at everybody and be like, thank you for being here. And also only shoot for five hours. I mean, when sets go into 12 hours, everybody's within their rights to be a little grumpy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was like, I'm so lit up from remembering myself in that way that I was like, I even want that. I even want the. Like, I can't believe we're doing this again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I even remember that. It's just, you know, it's like the. The ink is flowing in the pen again.

[B]

I guess that's right. Yeah. And it is life. Like, the.

[A]

And it feels like life, and it feels like sex, and it feels like friendship, and it feels like.

[B]

It's just. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

It's like the same pipe. Different stuff goes through that pipe, but you got to prime that pipe. Something's got to go through it. I was just getting a little. And this. Sorry, I interrupted.

[B]

No, no, no, go ahead.

[A]

What sucks is the voice of paranoia is correct. Like, you could get hit by a bus.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the voice of sort of complacency is also correct. It's like, when are you gonna. You're gonna go over there and.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're gonna do it. You're gonna make a. You're gonna make a cartoon.

[B]

This Is Ryan Gosling or is that.

[A]

What you want to do? I'm. I'm making fall guy, too. Made 72 million domestic. But, like, anyway, I was very excited to share that in our final moments. Three minutes. Happy birthday to Valerie.

[B]

Thank you. We made it weird.

[A]

Oh, no. We love you. And you're the. The joy. You're the queen of our hearts.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

The number of shows I've done where you're there and I. I say, Valerie is here, and people yell out, queen of our hearts. You are the queen of our hearts. Certainly the queen of my heart.

[B]

Well, you've just done a mass hypnosis and have made people love me. It's not accurate the way that you people.

[A]

In fact, I'm gonna counter that like an all in chip bet. Like, I'm pushing with two hands all my chips. Nothing is more fun than hating somebody that someone keeps insisting is great. That's one of life's great joys.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

To be like, what?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He's talking about.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure some people are doing that, but luckily we don't hear about from those.

[A]

I firmly disagree. You're a wonderful partner, friend, mother. You're hilarious. You're creative. And I was so happy somebody in Ojai told us about the hot springs.

[B]

I was gonna say, and that's what.

[A]

We did for your birthday.

[B]

You killed it this birthday.

[A]

Selfishly. I do want to talk about how it was great, but I've never been to a hot spring. We went to a hotel.

[B]

Hot spring. Yeah, we. So I've heard about these hot springs since before we lived here, but it's pretty hard to figure out how to.

[A]

It's kind of secret.

[B]

Yeah, it's kind of secret. It's a little exclusive. You have to get a membership. It's kind of hard.

[A]

Fancy exclusive. Hippie exclusive.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

We knew a guy.

[B]

There's like, local exclusive.

[A]

I'm even nervous you talking about it, because I'm like, you're not even supposed.

[B]

To, like, talk about it.

[A]

No, I don't think that. I mean, they have a website.

[B]

Yeah. No, it's just people know about it.

[A]

People know about it. But. But we've always wanted to go.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I didn't have any gift for you planned. And I told you this this morning. I was like, I was pretty bent on, like, I don't want to get you something for your birthday. I think it's dumb on an experience. Yeah. And just in the same way, like, I go on my Rupert retreat for my Birthday. I was like, let's just do something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then somebody told me how to get in to the hot spring, and we did it this morning, and it was unbelievable.

[B]

It was unbelievable. It's so the Shire.

[A]

It's the Shire.

[B]

It's like, the most. Most beautiful place on earth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The sun was shining. We were naked babies just, like, sitting in a.

[A]

We brought bathing suits, but when we got there, we were like, there's a lot of naked people here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But you got your own little.

[B]

I want to be an area person.

[A]

It was. If I was in a bathing suit. It's like wearing sneakers at the beach.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It would have been incorrect.

[B]

Really weird.

[A]

So we're just floating there in the sun. And there's something about volcanic. Who knows? But some of. My friend Russell, who told me about it, he was like, get that valley in you. Like, soak it in and let stuff go. So we were talking about some of the things that have come up on this podcast. Talking about healing and. And letting. Surrendering things.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And we're, like, giving it. I know this sounds pretty hippie, but, like, it felt correct. Oh, it was so to be in, like, water that's gently moving and it's hot, and you're just like, yeah, I'm gonna leave some of this trauma here. And.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What a one. What a gift that we were able to do that.

[B]

It was so. It was so beautiful. And thank you for giving me the best birthday gift.

[A]

I hate to say that I love that, but I do. Here we are. I'm loving that, that it worked. And happy birthday.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And everybody that everyone who sees you loves you.

[B]

Well, that is a very sweet thing to say.

[A]

So if there are people that are like her, they don't see you.

[B]

They haven't seen me.

[A]

And that's fine. That's fine. Not everybody can see it.

[B]

Not everybody can see it.

[A]

And that makes it even better for those of us that do see it. And that doesn't mean that people can't see it. Think you stink. They just don't fall in love with you.

[B]

Yeah. Well, I appreciate that.

[A]

All right, everybody.

[B]

All right, everybody.

[A]

Birthday Edition.

[B]

Thank you so much for joining us. And we'll see you next week.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And in the meantime, keep it crispy.