We Made It Weird #224

Summary

You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes - Episode #224: A Deep Dive into Human Weirdness and Modern Challenges

Release Date: August 8, 2025

In episode #224 of "You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes," host Pete Holmes engages in an expansive and heartfelt conversation with Valerie Tosi. This episode transcends typical podcast formats, delving into a myriad of topics ranging from the intricacies of AI-generated creativity to the profound challenges of modern parenting and the quest for spiritual oneness. Below is a detailed, long-form summary capturing all the key points, discussions, insights, and conclusions from their dialogue.

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1. AI and Human Creativity: The "Uncle Bus" Phenomenon [04:52 - 12:10]

Pete and Valerie kick off their discussion by exploring the fascinating intersection of artificial intelligence and human creativity. They reference an AI-generated trailer titled "Uncle Bus," featuring Tom Hanks, which serves as a prime example of AI's burgeoning capabilities in mimicking human creativity.

• Pete Holmes [04:56]: "We gotta play the audio... It's one of the funniest things that's ever existed."
• Valerie Tosi [09:27]: "It really is. And we'll give you the little teaser with the audio, but you really do need to see it to believe it."

They marvel at how AI can produce content that resonates humorously yet raises questions about the depth and authenticity of such creations. The conversation segues into the potential for AI to develop more nuanced personalities, pondering whether AI could ever fully capture the essence of beloved figures like Tom Hanks.

• Pete Holmes [09:57]: "We asked it to animate Abraham Lincoln and it wouldn't do it... But then also my friend Sam, who's visiting with us... we'll probably be talking a lot about Sam in the coming episodes."

A pivotal moment in this segment is the introduction of the term "Humphrow," coined to describe uniquely human yet pointlessly creative endeavors. This highlights the enduring human spirit in the face of advancing technology.

2. Generational Reflections: Understanding "Genennials" [12:10 - 29:40]

Transitioning from AI, the discussion delves into generational identities, specifically focusing on the blend termed "Genennials" or "Gillennials"—a fusion of Gen X and Millennials. This group uniquely navigates both analog and digital realms, offering a distinctive perspective on modern challenges.

• Pete Holmes [13:30]: "Because they were the boomers."
• Valerie Tosi [16:05]: "It literally doesn't have a point. It's pointless."

They explore the concept that Genennials, having experienced both pre-digital and digital worlds, possess a balanced understanding essential for guiding future generations like "Leela." This segment underscores the responsibility borne by their generation to bridge technological divides and preserve human-centric values.

3. Personal Growth and Therapy: Navigating Emotional Landscapes [19:05 - 33:30]

Pete opens up about his personal journey with therapy, sharing insights into how confronting deep-seated emotions parallels the effects of physical exercise.

• Pete Holmes [19:53]: "But emotionally... it's like exercising."

Valerie empathizes, highlighting the universal struggle of managing emotional well-being amidst life's demands. They discuss the importance of processing emotions to maintain mental health and the societal stigma often associated with seeking therapy.

4. Parenting Challenges and Strategies: Balancing Calm and Control [33:30 - 51:22]

The conversation shifts to the complexities of modern parenting, particularly the challenges of managing a child's screen time and establishing bedtime routines.

• Valerie Tosi [77:07]: "It's like, can you just be cool?"

They exchange practical strategies, such as setting time limits and maintaining composure to prevent escalating stress for both parent and child. Pete shares his success with the "45-second rule," a technique aimed at reducing bedtime stress and fostering a calm environment.

• Pete Holmes [75:24]: "Just know that when you're going on TikTok or whatever... you need to bring work stress into that, or... have a quiet parent."

This segment emphasizes the emotional toll of parenting and the necessity of self-care to sustain patience and effectiveness.

5. Relationships and Emotional Needs: The Dance of Connection [51:22 - 66:35]

A significant portion of the episode delves into the dynamics of personal relationships, focusing on emotional connections, desires, and the human need for validation and recognition.

• Pete Holmes [43:59]: "My secret desire is that like I will be useful and that my anger and violent... decisiveness..."
• Valerie Tosi [46:37]: "You know, deviate me 100%."

They explore the allure of emotionally unavailable partners and the balance between personal needs and relational harmony. The discussion highlights the complexities of emotional availability and the intrinsic human desire for meaningful connections.

6. Spirituality and Oneness: Seeking Collective Consciousness [66:35 - 84:47]

The dialogue transitions into spiritual realms, touching upon concepts like oneness, collective consciousness, and the unification of individual experiences. They reflect on spiritual teachings about interconnectedness and the importance of empathy and forgiveness.

• Valerie Tosi [67:39]: "We are more alike than we're different."
• Pete Holmes [63:08]: "We don't have enemies, we have injuries."

Discussing insights from spiritual leaders like Father Greg Boyle, they emphasize the necessity of viewing others with empathy and understanding, fostering a sense of collective responsibility and unity.

Conclusion: Embracing Human Weirdness in a Technological World

Episode #224 of "You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes" offers a rich tapestry of discussions that weave together humor, introspection, and profound insights. From the promising yet perplexing advancements of AI to the heartfelt challenges of parenting and the quest for spiritual oneness, Pete Holmes and Valerie Tosi provide listeners with a multifaceted exploration of human experiences in the modern age.

Notable Quotes:

1. AI and Creativity:

   • "We gotta play the audio... It's one of the funniest things that's ever existed." — Pete Holmes [04:56]
   • "It really is. And we'll give you the little teaser with the audio, but you really do need to see it to believe it." — Valerie Tosi [09:27]

2. Generational Reflections:

   • "It literally doesn't have a point. It's pointless." — Valerie Tosi [16:05]
   • "We're an interesting generation and why I think we have something of value." — Pete Holmes [28:34]

3. Parenting Strategies:

   • "Just know that when you're going on TikTok or whatever... you need to bring work stress into that, or... have a quiet parent." — Pete Holmes [75:24]

4. Spirituality and Oneness:

   • "We don't have enemies, we have injuries." — Pete Holmes [63:08]
   • "We are more alike than we're different." — Valerie Tosi [67:39]

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This episode stands out as a contemplative and engaging exploration of the unique challenges and wonders of being human in an increasingly automated world. Whether you're navigating the digital landscape, grappling with personal growth, or seeking deeper spiritual connections, episode #224 offers valuable perspectives and heartfelt conversations that resonate on multiple levels.

Transcript

[Pete Holmes]

You made it with.

[Valerie Tosi]

You made it with.

[Pete Holmes]

You made it with.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You made it with. Yes. You made it weird. You made it weird with Pete Holmes.

[Valerie Tosi]

What's happening here?

[Pete Holmes]

We're so glad you're here. This is a great episode. I loved it.

[Valerie Tosi]

I loved it. It was like, you think it's going to be a no. Deep Thoughts episode? But then they first three fourths of it.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it snuck in in a beautiful way.

[Valerie Tosi]

Last quarter.

[Pete Holmes]

Last quarter. A real turnaround.

[Valerie Tosi]

A real turnaround.

[Pete Holmes]

But also just like, let this one wash over you. This is like a fun hang. You know what this is? You're putting off studying in college. And you go in the common area.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And there we are.

[Valerie Tosi]

And you're just kind of that.

[Pete Holmes]

You know that furniture with the wood. Like the exposed wood and like the bad fucking futon cushion.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That's where we are. And you just come fucking. Come sit by the fire. Just fucking. I change the metaph. There's a fire in the dorm. Come sit with us. No, no. There's a fire. Like a fireplace.

[Valerie Tosi]

Fireplace, yeah. Sit by the fireplace. Just listen to these jackals talk.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. For just a minute, and then at the end, you'll go, wait, I did get some substance.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sustenance. Substance.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, Subway sandwiches. Come get some substance.

[Valerie Tosi]

Ah. Does it say that?

[Pete Holmes]

No.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay, that would be. I really did believe that was real.

[Pete Holmes]

Quiznos is subsistence. Because it's heated, it's got a Subway heats as well. This is when you find out I have a deal with Subway. Well, we're glad you're here. Go to PeterHolmes.com I'm coming to New York. I'm coming to Boston very, very soon. D.C. and New Hampshire. Go to PeteHomes.com and Miami. All sorts of dates are on there. Just come see me. Come. Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Benvenito.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Will Smith is opening for me. Then he's gonna sit in the front row and watch me very closely. And I have 20 minutes on a touchy subject, so come see me in Miami. All right. The show is brought to us by things we use and that we love. Katie, roll that beautiful bean footage and we'll go right into the app. This episode is brought to us by our friends at the Perfect Jean, which, of course, I'm wearing right now. I actually just did a big reorder because the Perfect Jean has so many cuts and washes. I'm expanding my collection. I absolutely love it. What is the Perfect Jean? Well, you need to be getting through these hot summer months in comfort and as you know, I hate hard pants. Why can't we have comfortable soft pants that look good? Well, because they often look like shit. They look like stings yoga pants. But enter the perfect gene to fix all of this. These are the best pants I've ever owned. I haven't worn anything since they arrived. I would sleep in them. In fact, I often do. They are premium stretch fabric that's 2% spandex, 2.5% rayon for extra comfort and movement that your man parts require. These jeans stretch so your nuts ain't crushed, thereby providing the only true home for your bone. They are high quality. I wear them to premieres. I wear them on late night shows. They are well, well made and you can get a 15% discount. Stop crushing your balls and uncomfortable jeans by going to the perfect gene NYC. Weirdos get 15% off your first order plus free shipping, free returns and free exchanges. When you use our code no hard pants at checkout. That's 15% off for new customers at the Perfect Gene NYC with promo code no hard pants and tell them that we sent you. Help your body, help our show and look good while you do it. We're also brought to you by our friends at Element. Healthy hydration, especially here in the summer, is so important. And hydration is not just water. It's water plus electrolytes. And that's what element is. There's no sugar, there's no bs. It's sweet with stevia and it's delicious. And it's minimal. Five calories will not break a fast and it floods every cell in your body with optimum ratios of sodium, magnesium and potassium. And it makes you feel fantastic. It feels like it wakes up my brain. I get going, I get running, I get feeling. Wonderful. I just had a pitch earlier. Slammed an element right before it. It's replaced my morning coffee in the morning. It's a wonderful way to start your day and it tastes fantastic. So you'll drink more water because it tastes great. And that water will do more for you because colon science. So get a free sample pack of elements most popular drink flavors. That's citrus salt, raspberry salt, my favorite watermelon salt and orange salt. That's two packs of each flavor with any purchase when you use promo code Weird. Find your favorite Element flavor or share with a friend. Support your body, support the show. Go to drinklmnt.com weird get your free sample pack with any purchase. That's drinklmnt.com weird all right, everybody, we're so glad you're here.

[Valerie Tosi]

Valerie, get into it.

[Pete Holmes]

La, la, la.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

Steve's lava chicken. Yeah. Spicy as hell.

[Valerie Tosi]

Do we have the rights to this?

[Pete Holmes]

Oh. Oh, no.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, no.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no.

[Valerie Tosi]

I mean, I feel like at this.

[Pete Holmes]

Point, it's magma.

[Valerie Tosi]

Boiled turkey.

[Pete Holmes]

Turkey is boiled. Hell, Steve, Lava chicken. You can't. You can't do it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Instead of Steve's lava chicken, it's Mike's boiled turkey.

[Pete Holmes]

M M, m, m. Boiled. Mike's boiled turkey. Yeah. Spicy is. It's funny that it's spicy as hell. That was a big.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

It was a big curse growing up.

[Valerie Tosi]

I mean, in our people.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, this is our time.

[Valerie Tosi]

This movie is big enough that people. All Minecraft knows what we're talking about.

[Pete Holmes]

Minecraft.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, it's not just people with kids that I don't think take over our lives.

[Pete Holmes]

You know, we're actually. We're not even in the community of people inconvenienced by Minecraft.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know, but you.

[Pete Holmes]

But we watch.

[Valerie Tosi]

We love that song, and we sing that song a lot.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, we do love that song. You know what I've wanted to talk about? Go ahead. I just have something.

[Valerie Tosi]

You wait until I talk to, then say, I have something.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, I was just gonna say there is an element of, like, you know, when Lin Manuel did Moana, we're like, this is kind of like Hamilton for parents. Like, it's. It's not Hamilton.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, I see. And I know what you're gonna say.

[Valerie Tosi]

And then, like, this is sort of tenacious.

[Pete Holmes]

You don't have to say it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm just kidding. We're on a show. You do have to say it. I want you to know it's tenacious.

[Valerie Tosi]

D. Oh, look who has her own.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. It's not so easy, is it? Oh.

[Valerie Tosi]

I could. I ran out of breath.

[Pete Holmes]

One, two, three. You could have picked any podcast, but you picked this one.

[Valerie Tosi]

Why? Why are you still listening?

[Pete Holmes]

What is this? I dare you. What's better than that?

[Valerie Tosi]

All right.

[Pete Holmes]

What's better than that?

[Valerie Tosi]

I agree. Obviously.

[Pete Holmes]

Come for the vibes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Come for the vibes.

[Pete Holmes]

It's a podcast that doesn't ask you to, like, remember anything.

[Valerie Tosi]

You don't need to. You don't have to.

[Pete Holmes]

You don't have to learn.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know, being interested actually takes energy, burns calories. You don't have to be interested.

[Pete Holmes]

You're gaining weight right now.

[Valerie Tosi]

You're welcome.

[Pete Holmes]

You're welcome.

[Valerie Tosi]

Stop being uninteresting.

[Pete Holmes]

I love that.

[Valerie Tosi]

We don't want to even ask that.

[Pete Holmes]

Of you in a. Where you can see anything.

[Valerie Tosi]

You really.

[Pete Holmes]

You need to see things you didn't know you wanted to see. And I would wager this is one of them.

[Valerie Tosi]

And hear things you don't want to hear. I'm going off. I'm off roading on purpose.

[Pete Holmes]

I love it.

[Valerie Tosi]

I was using your foundation. I know you couldn't tell to, like, write a whole different song with those chords.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, you were. You weren't doing Steve's Lavachek and you were doing.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, I wasn't trying that time. But it sounded almost exactly as if. As if I was.

[Pete Holmes]

I will say the thing that you were gonna play. Go ahead, give it that little toot you were planning. Yeah, I love. Look, I'm saying we're living in a time. I'm gonna coin a term right now. You gonna. You're gonna help me come up with the word.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

The word means distinctly and pointlessly human. This is big.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

This is big.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

This will be.

[Valerie Tosi]

I bet the French have words a.

[Pete Holmes]

Word for this, but I mean it specifically in relation to technology and our ability to see anything. So last night we watched the Tom Hanks. Oh, my God.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

You guys, we gotta play the audio.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't know. Do we?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's 40 seconds long.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay. The audio is actually more than half of it. I agree.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Tom Hanks. Okay, go ahead, say what you were gonna say. Don't just watch me googling.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, I was just gonna say you guys need to watch the Tom Hanks bus pre trailer. What do you do? What do you type in?

[Pete Holmes]

Okay.

[Valerie Tosi]

Uncle Bus.

[Pete Holmes]

Don't forget that. What I'm saying is we're coming up with a term.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

In a world where you can see anything. Including Uncle Bus. The trailer.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Which we're about to play. Which is incredible. It's one of the funniest things that's ever existed. Made by Dudesy Dudesy. Which explains why he says I was drinking from my dudesy mug. That's pretty. I can't believe this only has 13,000 views.

[Valerie Tosi]

What?

[Pete Holmes]

I can't.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay, that makes me feel better because I really was like, I'm sure everyone knows.

[Pete Holmes]

From a year ago. 13,000 views. It's one of the best things in the world.

[Valerie Tosi]

It really is. And we'll. We'll give you the little teaser with the audio, but you really do need to see it to believe it.

[Pete Holmes]

I feel like, you know, that's setting the table to be like, you can eat this bullshit, but you're going to have to eat something later.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, I Want them to have the full experience.

[Pete Holmes]

I understand. I understand. Okay, so this is what we're going to play. And then don't forget, we're going for.

[Valerie Tosi]

A new word for, like, describing, like, what this is.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, no. For describing what you playing whatever that wind instrument is while I badly and barely play the chords to Lava Chicken. How there's a certain. That is distinctly and pointlessly human.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay, okay.

[Pete Holmes]

In relation to AI's ability to show us a kangaroo with Danny DeVito in its pouch doing a backflip into Scrooge McDuck's vault. But it's filled with peanut M&Ms.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And also, real quick.

[Pete Holmes]

By the way, I could. I could make that video. And that's my point. But it won't make that, is it? But I won't do that. I can make anything for want, but I won't make that. That's what it should play. And if it. And maybe it will later. If it had more personality.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because we asked it to animate an image of Abraham Lincoln and it wouldn't do it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Which I understand kind of.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

But then also my friend Sam, who's visiting with us. We'll probably be talking a lot about Sam in the coming episodes. And Ariella, our dear friends, they were like. Because. And I love stuff like this because AI is a little bit off road right now. It's new. Shout out to Mac, our friend Mac Neal, who's probably knows all about this.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because we're in the new time of AI. You can. One day, AI will animate Abraham Lincoln for you, and then the next day it just won't. This is what they mean when they're, like, working out the bugs.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

It shouldn't. Presumably that's against its guidelines. But then sometimes you just kind of keep asking and it just does.

[Valerie Tosi]

It figures it out. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Case in point. We asked it to animate George Washington. It just did it. So it's like. I like this. Sort of like, where are we with it?

[Valerie Tosi]

We're in a very special time. Well, that's what I said after you showed us this last night. It's like we. We actually are incredibly lucky, I think, to be in the generation that gets bad. AI.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm going to make a weird Tom Brokaw. Wasn't it Tom Brokaw that called the boomers the Greatest Generation?

[Valerie Tosi]

That sounds right.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm going to say that that's true. I'm also gonna say that this is true.

[Valerie Tosi]

You think that they're the greatest generators.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no. Tom Brokaw said that the boomers. Oh, my God. Put them all in a toilet and flush em to hell. And if you're a boomer, you know I'm right. Thanks for listening. I don't know what app you were trying to open on your huge fonted iPhone. JK. I'm just thinking my parents.

[Valerie Tosi]

But also. Yeah. This is so specific.

[Pete Holmes]

That was just for my family. Not you. Not you, Daniel.

[Valerie Tosi]

I could be wrong, but I don't know. I think the boomers are the kids of the greatest generation. I think their parents.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, because they were the boomers.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because they, like, made it through the wars and won the wars.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, so the reason why I think Gen X and. And millennials. I'm gonna blend this into Gen Xilenials. Gillennials.

[Valerie Tosi]

Cute.

[Pete Holmes]

You and I are Gillennials. Like Brangelina. So we're what?

[Valerie Tosi]

There's a knock.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Hello.

[Valerie Tosi]

Come in.

[Pete Holmes]

I was really about to cook up to a really sweet point here. Hi, mamas.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, you and Sparkly.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Dada has one open in the. In the living room. You can. Has. Thanks, dude. Love you, chick.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yay.

[Pete Holmes]

Little cameo. Gillennials have lived through no cell, and this is not that new. So at least it's almost over. We didn't have cell phones then. We did have cell phones. We didn't have the Internet then. We did have the Internet. This isn't in order. And we didn't have AI. And then we got AI, so we're the like.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right?

[Pete Holmes]

Both. Yeah, we. You want both.

[Valerie Tosi]

You want both.

[Pete Holmes]

You can't just be Return of the.

[Valerie Tosi]

King you do want.

[Pete Holmes]

We're Fellowship of the Ring, Right? Return of the King. And the one in the middle, the two towers. La la. To towers. And top on the asking a big owl to fly him far, not all the way to Mordo, because that would end the movie.

[Valerie Tosi]

I love a song that ends abruptly. Or remember, like, it's in the Barbie movie when they're playing the, like, keyboard.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And he's like. And Ryan Gosling is, like, kind of dancing. And then she's like. Asks them to stop. And it ends with, like, a poop.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, my gosh. Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

We last so hard.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, okay. In a great act of true irony, can you make a new word that means distinctly? And he's typing this. What was it? What was it? Distinctly and pointlessly.

[Valerie Tosi]

Pointlessly human.

[Pete Holmes]

Like something so dumb and pointless, like playing a silly bad song that only humans would do it.

[Valerie Tosi]

And this is on Chat. GPT.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. That's Iron Live humble, humbly.

[Valerie Tosi]

Humbly hum.

[Pete Holmes]

For human bleak. For the slightly sad fetal pointlessness of it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Rude.

[Pete Holmes]

Humbly. I don't. Well, I don't like it. I like that. I'm glad that we weren't. It's charmingly humbly.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's charming.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't like humblique.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, ask for another. Other ones.

[Pete Holmes]

It's less sad, pointless and more joyfully pointless. Can you make a new one? Okay, great. Got it. Joyfully pointless. Fuselkind.

[Valerie Tosi]

Fusel. Fuzzle. Kind.

[Pete Holmes]

Fuzzle is a made up root. Okay. Kind is as in humankind. Fuzzle, Kind.

[Valerie Tosi]

Fuzzle kind.

[Pete Holmes]

No, those stink. Those stink. That's what I like about AI is you can just be like that fucking.

[Valerie Tosi]

St. You don't have to hurt.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, no. Or like a tear rolls down my monitor. Okay, so we're going to come up with that word ourselves because that's the point of it. But here is Uncle Bus. I can't believe it only has 13,000 views. What a joy that I get to share this with you. And yes, you can watch the video later. But this is an AI I think they prompted AI with make a trailer for a Tom Hanks movie. I'd love to know the details, how much they told it. Yeah, but this is what it did.

[Valerie Tosi]

Fantastic.

[Pete Holmes]

And here we go. Hey, Tommy. It's me, your uncle. I'm not on the bus. I am the bus. I know it's crazy, but I was dabbling with some dark magic and I spilled a dudesy mug on my spells and somehow I accidentally transferred my soul into this school bus. So now I'm trapped in this bus and you're the only person who can hear me. I know how to get back in my body, but I'm going to need your help. You have to drive me in a bus race against the devil on Halloween. If we win, I get to go back into my body. If we lose, every human being on the planet will turn into a bus. So what do you say, Tom? My good job.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh my God. Unbelievable.

[Pete Holmes]

We have everybody on earth because you're the only one that can hear me. I like how it's just like it's tripping over itself to set the rules. Like, hi, Tommy.

[Valerie Tosi]

And it's like so monitoring tone.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like you're peeking a little bit.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because it's Tom Hanks. So it's just like very dry and matter of fact.

[Pete Holmes]

Tommy, it's me.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's me.

[Pete Holmes]

It also sounds exactly like Tom Hanks.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know.

[Pete Holmes]

And that's a year old.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's what I was gonna say when you said, you know, like, it doesn't have any. If it develops more personality, it might be able to. Whatever you said.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I can make anything for you.

[Valerie Tosi]

But it. I realized, like, they should take someone like Tom Hanks that everyone agrees on and try to, like, upload his personality into AI and so that it's. It's got personality. Like, we like it. It's not. It's not neutral.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh. It's like, unfortunately, look, this has become an AI pod. And look, I would love it. I figured out I had this weird experience. Everybody knows I don't really fuck with social media. And then the other day, I was feeling just kind of like I had a difficult.

[Valerie Tosi]

This was interesting.

[Pete Holmes]

I had a difficult therapy, and we were really dredging up, like, some really, like, old feelings. We talked about this last week. All these, like, what is it? Generational wounds and stuff.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And it wasn't a bad sesh. They're all good. But it wasn't like we didn't, like, find it and move it. We just found it and we're like, oh, yeah. And the rest of the day, I was a little chunked, you know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So there's kind of. Yeah. And. And, you know, shout out of understanding to some people that might be resistant or reluctant to do therapy because, you know, you're not entirely wrong. It's not.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, it's not comfortable.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's. That's all I'm saying is, like, it's a little bit like exercising. I suppose you might work out hard, and then you might not be able to lift your arms above your head for the rest of the day.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But emotionally.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So then I had Instagram installed because I was emailing somebody on there and. Who cares? I ended up going on emailing someone on Instagram. Yeah. Messaging them. I guess you're supposed to say DMing, but that sounds like I'm trying to have sex with these people, which, of course, I am.

[Valerie Tosi]

DMs became, like, a sexual term. Of course it is interesting. Sliding into my DMs and then atmosphere. No one's ever sliding into my DMs. Sorry, did I say that out loud?

[Pete Holmes]

Why are you also my gross ATM reference. I don't. I just want to acknowledge. I feel dirty for even having said it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah, that's all right. We both made some mistakes and we can move on.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I think you should clarify that you're not trying to have an affair.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, of course not.

[Pete Holmes]

You just winged at me. I'm the only one that I shouldn't wink at. Yeah. That's not. I'm the one you're trying to keep this from.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, right. I get confused.

[Pete Holmes]

I get it. I play lava chicken too much. You can go into your settings on chat. Okay. This, the end of the story was my Instagram, for some reason, which always just shows me, like, Tim Robinson style comedy. And I have loved it in the past. Of course I love Tim Robinson. I just mean it. That dried up. Like, I stopped ever wanting to even go on Instagram to watch reels because I was like, I've seen it. It's all the same. It's over. As if it figured that out. The next time I Just randomly. And I'm not talking about, like, after I liked a few videos, it just kind of, like, rebooted. And the next time I went on, it was all spiritual things and psychological things.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, 100 heard you say to me, I had a tough therapy session and then it was like, I don't like this.

[Pete Holmes]

That's possible. Yeah. I don't know if it's as likely as just an algorithm that we don't understand that's tracking my behavior across apps or whatever.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

My book purchases. I just bought Rupert's new book. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. It's in my calendar. There is a moment, if it hasn't already come. The technology is going to whip the shower curtain open, and we're going to try and cover our dicks and our pusses. But it's already seen everything.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like, I know this is not a new theory, but they have slowly boiled the frog. It was like, well, I'd like to be able to hear everybody. And it was like, okay, we'll make that on our phones and our Alexas. I'd also like to be able to read all of the things they're working on. Well, we'll call it the cloud, and that's how they'll back things up. But then you can just go in there and read it and, like, every photograph and every purchase.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

It's just like we have woken up and gone, oh, God, we gave everything away.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And then it's just gonna be wonderful. Lo fi. People like my brother, that'll be like, not me, dude.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know I've said this before.

[Pete Holmes]

Turns out me and my physical media collection are having the last laugh.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my gosh.

[Pete Holmes]

My brother.

[Valerie Tosi]

Perfect impression. So lovely.

[Pete Holmes]

I love him so much. And maybe.

[Valerie Tosi]

And he's probably right.

[Pete Holmes]

Him and the Amish.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, there's A really fantastic adult young adult novel, which always sounds dirty to me.

[Pete Holmes]

I know. Could I have that young adult novel? Not the book. Barely Legal. It's funny.

[Valerie Tosi]

It is.

[Pete Holmes]

That was funny. What? You. I feel like you made.

[Valerie Tosi]

You made it a joke.

[Pete Holmes]

You knew it. I have a deal with Barely Legal. I have to mention it at least once in a. Oh, my God. It.

[Valerie Tosi]

But.

[Pete Holmes]

Sorry. I want to disown Barely Legal.

[Valerie Tosi]

Of course. Yes. That's.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, thank you. No, thank you.

[Valerie Tosi]

What was I saying? B.

[Pete Holmes]

Sorry, Legal. I'm a creep, but let's keep me at. Okay. I don't like this riff. I don't like this riff.

[Valerie Tosi]

This is far from disowning it. You're writing a song about it.

[Pete Holmes]

But I was making fun of the purchasers, calling them creeps, but they don't. It's gross. It's gross.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's gross.

[Pete Holmes]

It's gross.

[Valerie Tosi]

Anyway, there's a young adult novel called Feed that was written probably, like, 2003, but it's fantastic. And it's all about, like, I've maybe even talked about it on the podcast. It's like, I read it once in college, and I always think about it because it's so pertinent, but it's like everybody gets, like, a chip in their body, and then they have basically, like, Google glasses. But it's their eyes, and they get, like, ads, and they do all the social media, like, just through their eyes.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And every single person has causes, like a toxicity, a rare blood toxicity, where you get legions. But since the celebrities and rich people were the first to get.

[Pete Holmes]

You have talked about this. People want.

[Valerie Tosi]

They want the legions because the, like, influencers have it. And then they meet, like, girl who is, like, your brother, who, like, her parents wouldn't let her get a chip.

[Pete Holmes]

No, this is the fantasy of. And it's a shame that they're called the tinfoil hat people. I don't think my brother's a tinfoil hat person.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But he really would like to keep it as minimal as possible when it comes to, like, things. Knowing where he is, what he's doing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, I'm sure that's the. That's the thing that made me think of it, is it's like, you really see how these people are ostracized because they're not willing to be slowly boiled frogs.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

But, like. And then that becomes, like, you're an outcast of society.

[Pete Holmes]

That goes back to why we're an interesting generation and why I think we have something of value. And that's not to say more or less than other generations, but one of the things that's unique about Genennials, you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Can'T say it gillennials.

[Pete Holmes]

This is humphrow. Humphrow.

[Valerie Tosi]

Humphrow, Humphrow.

[Pete Holmes]

Like hum for human, fro for afro. Meaning it's just a fun thing to do with your hair. It doesn't have any real jack to this real point. Doesn't have like.

[Valerie Tosi]

It literally doesn't have a point. It's pointless.

[Pete Holmes]

Hum fro. Human and pointless. Like an afro. Hum fro. This conversation has been delightfully.

[Valerie Tosi]

Hum fro is really. It has a nice mouth feel.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Hum fro.

[Pete Holmes]

Only we would come up with Humfro Only we. Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

But we did sort of get hum from them. From chat gbt. I call them them they them they them.

[Pete Holmes]

Chat GPT's pronouns are 01, 1, 1011 or just 0100 or 0 and 101. Chat GPT0/1.

[Valerie Tosi]

I was also going to say we could use the term uncle bus. Like the. The term uncle bus means.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, but uncle bus was made by an AI.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, that's true.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm saying things that are hum fro. That's exact. Thank you for pointing this out. Because it doesn't mean random AI can make incredible random stuff. Danny DeVito in the Kangaroo's pouch doing a 360 into a.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

It'S not that.

[Valerie Tosi]

What is it?

[Pete Holmes]

It's this.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't understand.

[Pete Holmes]

This is humphrow. See how I can't quite play it right? And you're doing that. I love.

[Valerie Tosi]

You mean rocking out.

[Pete Holmes]

I love what you're doing. My prediction is as we go into the possibility of all things being delivered instantly.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Hum fro the 60s.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, folksy.

[Pete Holmes]

Folksy is one way. But Humfront is what I'm calling it. I'm just saying, like, you go to the gaslight cafe, the 60s new hum fro. They. And they took it too far. I said it. Oh, it was like a turtleneck and a beret and the little glasses. And you come in and someone is like, there's a matchbook and that's it. And they go, that is the art, man. That is the art. Right? That's humphrow.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay. Okay. I see. I'm following it. Pointless to me.

[Pete Holmes]

And I'm saying there'll be a resurgence of humphrow.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like it needs to be humanly pointless.

[Pete Holmes]

It has to be something.

[Valerie Tosi]

So not AI pointless.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, that's right.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Because I think Leela is going to grow up In a time where there's just so much and so much of it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Yeah. There's just a lot. So much of it.

[Pete Holmes]

There's everything and so much of it. What is that from? You have everything and so much of it. It. Is that from Great Gatsby?

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

Maybe it might be from Mad Men or Great Gatsby. One of those.

[Valerie Tosi]

Either one of those.

[Pete Holmes]

J.D. salinger. I think J.D. salinger wrote great Gatsby. Don't F. Scott Fitzgerald. Yes, but Zelda wrote most of it. Okay, what were we saying?

[Valerie Tosi]

Fitzgerald. Gerald.

[Pete Holmes]

Where were we?

[Valerie Tosi]

Matchbox.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh. Leela's gonna live in a world where there's everything.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh. So my prediction is that there'll be more of a demand for just, like, bad, pointless, human. Because. Yeah. Yeah. So much of it's in defense of this podcast. So much of everything is to, like, deliver something. But we're realizing that, like, getting. I. There needs to be things that are just, like, white noise. I'm not saying this is white noise. I'm just saying it's. Yes, it's human.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's human.

[Pete Holmes]

We're talking a husband. Sorry, A wife and a husband are talking first billing. And I think we'll. We'll want more of this sort of stuff.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, well, certainly, like, slower, lower stem stuff is nice.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm just saying, I. I think it's one of the reasons why we're watching the Office. And that's not just us. It's like, everybody.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So many people are just watching old shit. It's. Because it's exhausting.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. It's exhausting being stimulated.

[Pete Holmes]

It is. That's. That's what I'm saying.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Welcome to the Hum Fro Podcast. We're asking nothing of you other than settle.

[Valerie Tosi]

Bear with us.

[Pete Holmes]

That is great, Valerie. No, this podcast affords you an opportunity, like a warm bath, to just. How about less?

[Valerie Tosi]

How about. What about that? How about less?

[Pete Holmes]

Less.

[Valerie Tosi]

Less funny, less interesting.

[Pete Holmes]

But that. That whole idea that everything needs to have some sort of result.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, I do listen to Malcolm Gladwell's podcast. I do like it, and I do often turn it off, going, shut the fuck up. Everything. Look, it's not just Malcolm's. I think that's a fantastic podcast. I just can't always be learning.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And that goes for. Okay, so that'll finish my little story. I was having a rough day on therapy. I went on Instagram, and I was just weep, weep, not weeping. I was, but tears were streaming down my face as I watched video after video after video. That was precisely what I needed and wanted to hear. And then I'd see. I think his name is Jesse Wells. I'd see him singing a song and I'd just be filled with hope for the future and young people. And I had, like, the best Instagram experience.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Since the last Instagram experience I told you about on this podcast, which is when I was alone in a hotel and I was laughing harder than I've ever laughed now. I was, like, crying and being moved and being inspired. And it was also teaching me things. This is why it came to mind that you can tell your chat GPT in the settings. You can tell it be more like Tom Hanks. You can say, stop agreeing with everything I say. I want you to be critical. All these. All these different settings. So I learned that and had the best. And I got off, like I did the first time with the funny session. I was like, oh, my God, Instagram is the greatest thing in the world. Guess what? The very next day, you go on and it's sort of scratching its head. It's like, I don't know, what do you want now?

[Valerie Tosi]

I'm running out of ideas.

[Pete Holmes]

And then you realize getting exactly. Even getting exactly what you want can rarely be this, like, transcendent, fulfilling experience. But it's. Then it's ice cream the next day. There's a reason, and this is the Genillennials. No, don't get ice cream every day.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

We're getting ice cream every day. And then I'm even seeing posts about it that are just like, this isn't working. You know? And it's like, oh, my God. But then I'm off it again is all I'm saying.

[Valerie Tosi]

You're right. Actually, it is almost like our responsibility as the only generation that knows both to carry the torch, to tell the truth about what we're losing by making this shift. Because Lela will never know life without it. So even if her generation does have sort of like a hipstery fall backwards into analog stuff. Yeah, they're doing that, like, on a. Like, there's no nostalgia for that. They're not. They have no reference.

[Pete Holmes]

It's funny that you say that, because I'm like, I wonder if we'll just keep devouring the 90s and the 2000s, because that was sort of the last time we were all watching the same. Yeah, I would. I think not only do we like watching the Office or 30 Rock or whatever show we're re watching, we're also watching something that has, like, a collective charge. We were all watching this. I think it has a residue of that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Certainly for us. But I would even argue that it has a different energy as opposed to. Although I will say, you know what? I've been watching and I haven't told you what. Slow Horses. And I like it.

[Valerie Tosi]

What is it? I don't know anything about it.

[Pete Holmes]

Don't worry about it.

[Valerie Tosi]

I've been wanting.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like Hooked on Phonics for horses that are having a hard time reading. They're slow. These horses are slow. Man. You don't even say that anymore. You don't say slow.

[Valerie Tosi]

No. You can't say so.

[Pete Holmes]

And then I just say the hard R word and everyone's like.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, slow doesn't seem so bad right now.

[Pete Holmes]

I didn't say it. I did make everyone think it. Which is sort of like, worse.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

All right, we'll take it out.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

I sang a song and it. And it didn't quite work.

[Valerie Tosi]

Let's just leave it at that. Everybody. I've been watching. I just started. I haven't finished it. Hunting Wives. Which is really delicious.

[Pete Holmes]

Hunting Wives.

[Valerie Tosi]

And our friend Katie Lowe's is in it. And it's.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, it's basically like hot reality.

[Valerie Tosi]

No. It's basically. From what I can tell. I've just started. It's. There's sort of like a murder mystery element to. Definitely scratches like a Bridgerton itch. Except that it's not like British or fancy. It's like takes place in Texas and it's like, you know, this conservative community with like. Like a shadow. Like a sexual shadow. Secret. It's so juicy.

[Pete Holmes]

Sounds. Why does that sound like a ladies show?

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, yeah, because I don't mean.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't say that with any pride.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's really interesting.

[Pete Holmes]

Why does my brain go. That's a ladies show? It's because it's so. It's like subtle.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

And Slow Horses is not subtle. It's not.

[Valerie Tosi]

No. It's like everybody's reaching down everyone's pants all the time in that show. What were you gonna say though?

[Pete Holmes]

Just that I don't know how I became so obvious. I'm watching. It's about spies. It's about. They're chasing on horses. No, no, no. They're called the Slow Horses because it's this branch of MI5 in London that's their. Like, FBI. CIA, I guess.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Which sounds fake because it's like Mission Impossible. But I guess they are Mission Impossible over there. I'm just kidding. But MI5, and it's Gary Oldman and he's like running a group of misfits like Broken toys. All of these agents that have been disgraced in one way or another and that's why they're called the Slow Horses. But then they're like trying to redeem themselves and I'm such a fucking Hollywood person that I'm like this is great. And also what are they gonna do for season two? Because they're like doing cool stuff in the first season. The second season someone's gonna be like, just cause you had one success doesn't mean you're not slow horses no more. You think for one second we're fast. We got lucky once. You're. You're shite. You're nothing. That's how that I called it here.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Slow Horses season two opens with those lines.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, exactly. Or it's gonna be something like now the expectations are higher now that we're like fast.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. We got it now we gotta keep it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

You think it's easy to get it and try defending it, mate. You think the queen up in it. They have to say things like that. You think. You think you're gonna go get a pie after this. You have to make sure it's tethered to something. We love tea. See you had to do it. I didn't even want to.

[Valerie Tosi]

You didn't ask an interesting question. That's.

[Pete Holmes]

I didn't.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know it sounded like I said didn't. You didn't ask an interesting question. But I'm gonna answer anyway.

[Pete Holmes]

Humphrow.

[Valerie Tosi]

Which is like why is like Danielle Steele novels and like why is it like Hunting wives in Bridgerton? Like. Like that is an important question that things like erotica is usually distinctly feminine. Feminine.

[Pete Holmes]

I have a. I have a big thought about it. Let's go to the mid rolls. Just because we. We have an hour. Our baby is barely being watched as she already came in. Jk.

[Valerie Tosi]

Our seven, almost seven year old baby.

[Pete Holmes]

Until she's smoking her own hand rolled cigarettes. That's my baby.

[Valerie Tosi]

That could be next year. Knowing our kid.

[Pete Holmes]

She's so cool. Smoking isn't cool off.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Have you. You know why smoking is cool in movies and tv? Because you can't smell that smell. I'm not talking about like the smell of a cigarette I think is actually fairly pleasant. I'm talking about when everything you wear has been saturated in that fucking. Fuck off.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, fuck off. Smoking's not cool.

[Pete Holmes]

Also you kill hundreds of thousands of people a year. Eat shit. Fuck you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wow. I didn't know you Felt so strong.

[Pete Holmes]

I do today.

[Valerie Tosi]

Just today.

[Pete Holmes]

But now I kind of want one. I'm just kidding. I want a cigarette. I want a ciggy. Steve's lava siggies, they're burning so well. Steve's lava Siggy. Sending people to hell. So we'll be right back. All smokers go to hell. Joe Camel has been burning in a timeless place.

[Valerie Tosi]

Definitely. When I was a child, I thought all smokers and all beer drinkers went to hell.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, my God. Which is.

[Valerie Tosi]

I remember finding beer in my Uncle Rick's refrigerator and going and being like, but aren't they Christian?

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, I love that.

[Valerie Tosi]

That was the messaging I had.

[Pete Holmes]

I love that. Oh, you just gave me douche chills. Because when my wife cheated on me, obviously my first one. And then you later, apparently when she cheated somebody in my family, well, it was my dad. He was like. And she's a Christian.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

[Pete Holmes]

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[Valerie Tosi]

No, you go first.

[Pete Holmes]

My take on why things like that, it's all what are which groups? What impulses are each group repressing?

[Valerie Tosi]

Sure.

[Pete Holmes]

And I think women are rep. If living with you has taught me anything, you are an ocean of unquenched, secret, sultry desires. I give you the business as often as I can. And yet I'm fully aware that a blousy man with a hairy chest and it's buttoned down to his navel and he's got swashbuckling pants and maybe it's Brett Goldstein wants to take you on a voyage. It will get humid in here. You'll be so moist. And then my secret desire is that like I will be useful and that my anger and violent. When I say violence, I mean my testosterone driven decisiveness. Decisiveness which is often showcased in movies as violence. But I don't think that's real violence. I think it's like what we look, now we're on a thing. I just don't want people to think I'm violent. I'm just saying boys, even if they're not violent, Love. Love seeing the extreme decisiveness of. Of movies like John Wick. He's not asking questions. He's going. He's useful. There's a task. He's risking it all. He has a lot to lose. He's facing his fear. I'm not saying women don't do all of that. Of course they do.

[Valerie Tosi]

And we're drawn to that too, but.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes, of course you are. And of course there are moods I'm in when I'm completely willing to French tongue kiss Brett Goldstein on a pirate ship. But I'm just saying, I think it's whatever your shadow is screaming for. So yesterday I was with Leela most of the day. I didn't even do a good job. We watched so much tv. We played Mario Kart. It was kind of a real daddy summer Saturday, even though it was Wednesday most gratuitous.

[Valerie Tosi]

Swear we're talking about hanging with your child.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, we're just daddy daughter. No, I didn't call it. The day was. So I'm just saying I'm not looking for credit there. I did a pretty poor job at it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, that was looking for credit.

[Pete Holmes]

But it was not looking for credit. I was worried you would think a.

[Valerie Tosi]

Lot of times you do that where your disclaimers are showing what you actually are thinking.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's absolutely true. That's absolutely true.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sorry, go ahead.

[Pete Holmes]

But because I was with Leela all day, and you're exactly the same way, you get your own type of frustration. Just kind of being synced up with a 7 year old can be trying to your nerves, even if you love them more than anything in your life. And the way that mine comes out is I need, like, I wish Mission Impossible would reach out to me and put me on a plane that's clearly made for, like, transporting hovercraft. It's huge. But I'm in there and I'm strapped to a jump seat, and where am I going? I want to be at risk. I want to be vital. I want to be in something that's like, high stakes and dangerous. I want to show off, be brave, be celebrated, be given a medal. I want to save the world. All of this is very standard stuff. I think you, at the end of that day are pro. I. You tell me, but it seems like you're like, I want to be on a emotional adventure. Mine is also an emotional adventure. Please don't.

[Valerie Tosi]

I was going to say most understand almost all of those things that you described, you know, I would get from a pirate ship with Brett Goldstein.

[Pete Holmes]

No Exactly. Even the illustriousness of it. That's why. That's why you put. This is good. This is common. Common ground. This is common ground. Weird, Trump. This is common ground. I want to be on an airplane that's meant for transporting hovercrafts and do a free fall sky jump onto the Eiffel Tower where I have to assassinate somebody. But you're on a pirate ship. He's a pirate.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. You want danger? No, there is danger. That's the appeal. I mean, I think for most strangers.

[Pete Holmes]

Even his emotional unavailability is dangerous.

[Valerie Tosi]

Absolutely.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm not available.

[Valerie Tosi]

Devastate me 100%.

[Pete Holmes]

He almost certainly will. There'll be a lot of times. You know that door that's underneath the wheel on a pirate ship? It's the captain's quarters. You're gonna go in there smiling. I'll be right back. And you're gonna close that heavy door and cry quietly a few times.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That's what the appeal of people like that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know, is for so many people. Because you also are like. And I'm. Let's take Brad Goldstein out of this. I'm so uncomfortable with this. Maybe listens. I don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm listening and.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because I'm not sure that he is one of these people. But, like, I am.

[Pete Holmes]

It's off today.

[Valerie Tosi]

But. But yes, the. The appeal of, like, this person could, like, torture me. Could, like, I could want them so bad and they wouldn't give me what I wanted. Do you like the. The danger of that and the challenge of being like, I'll be the one person that. That doesn't apply to. So it is specialness.

[Pete Holmes]

It is dangerous.

[Valerie Tosi]

Challenge. Winning over you.

[Pete Holmes]

I won't say all women. I'm just saying your Ocean's 1111 in the vault is like a fulfilled heart and a quivering loin. Loin and a quivering vagina. Sorry. A quivering loin. And ours is money. It's just what it is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Money and power.

[Pete Holmes]

It's money, which is like being recognized.

[Valerie Tosi]

Both.

[Pete Holmes]

Both of these are being recognized fantasies.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes, they are. It's being seen and validated. And there is sort of a. I mean, really, if we're getting messy with it, it's. It's sort of. It is power.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

It, like. There is a power to, like. Women have learned. Maybe.

[Pete Holmes]

I think it's learnt.

[Valerie Tosi]

I think it's loin.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Very good.

[Valerie Tosi]

Women have learned. Have loined. That.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, my God. You've got a lot to loin, little girl. Little Goyle. You've got A lot to loin.

[Valerie Tosi]

Little go that, like, the. The easiest way for us to get power is us. Is through our loins.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, yeah. No, I have no take or comment.

[Valerie Tosi]

So it's like, take. Like, take it.

[Pete Holmes]

I really don't. That wasn't me withholding a taker comment. I don't have.

[Valerie Tosi]

But this is why, like, my ultimate sexual fantasy is some sort of. And we've talked about this. I think, because it's. Phantom thread is like, there is a man that is somehow dangerous in like a. You know, like a. Usually an emotional way, like, or moody or complicated. And I. He's like. He's hard and rough with everyone else, but I can get him to be soft with only me.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. It's The Hulk and ScarJo.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, exactly.

[Pete Holmes]

And it's phantom thread.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, it's phantom thread. And it's very little bit our relationship.

[Pete Holmes]

I was gonna say it's. It absolutely.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, the fact that you. You. You don't really. You do like other people, but. But you are. You have a complicated relationship with everyone else, but you're, like, so tender and unconditionally loving with me is like, exactly my jam. Which I guess that would be anybody's jam.

[Pete Holmes]

And if my body looked like Brett, I guess we'd be in business.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, we are in business all the time.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm just kidding. Sorry. For all the name chicks. Brett.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know. God, I hope he doesn't listen anymore.

[Pete Holmes]

Brett is a comedian. He. How dare you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sweating. Sweating.

[Pete Holmes]

He's. He's an international sex symbol. It's funny. He's our friend.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And we use him as our example. That's. It's a comedy.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's an archetype.

[Pete Holmes]

It's funny.

[Valerie Tosi]

It's funny. Okay, but it's funny.

[Pete Holmes]

I love that you winked again. I'm just kidding.

[Valerie Tosi]

I didn't win.

[Pete Holmes]

She did. She. You did make a face. It's funny that there's a face that means wink.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wink.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, it's the opposite of winking. It's like opening both eyes very wide. It's like, you need to get out of here. I wish you guys could see us.

[Valerie Tosi]

It didn't really work.

[Pete Holmes]

I did it bad. I did it poorly.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know when you make a face that you're not. I bet this happens a lot in acting. Or at least it would happen if I was acting where you make a face that you just know. You're like, that's not the right face for this. It happens to me in my normal life, too, where I make, like, an expression. And I'm like. That wasn't the right expression, Val.

[Pete Holmes]

I know I talked a lot about that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Autism. I don't know.

[Pete Holmes]

I relate hard to that experience. I mean, I don't know how, you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Know, in the way that we're all sort of on the spectrum.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't. I don't know. Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Wait.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I think so. I mean, that's. I will say, the more I'm out in the world, I'm like, it seems to be a high number of us. And I mean that of us.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, meaning it's a spectrum. So, like, maybe everybody is on it and they're. You know what I. You know what I mean?

[Pete Holmes]

Right. Like, everybody's gay.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, everybody's gay. Just to what degree?

[Pete Holmes]

0.000.

[Valerie Tosi]

Whom for? Who's your number one gay? Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Who would I like to smooch?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

As a boy.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, as a boy.

[Pete Holmes]

It's hard because I'm not very horny right now.

[Valerie Tosi]

Clearly. I'm just kidding. I don't even know what that means.

[Pete Holmes]

That's really funny. Clearly. I don't know. I don't. I don't know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Ryan Gosling.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I thought of him.

[Valerie Tosi]

Don Draper. It can be a fictional character.

[Pete Holmes]

A fictional character?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay. Ronald McDonald.

[Valerie Tosi]

I was gonna say Mayor McCheese.

[Pete Holmes]

Actually, Mayor McCheese is a better answer because it tastes like I'm gonna say something. I'm gonna say something a little nuts. But I think you're the girl to know and agree.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Mayor McCheese.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

That his cheeseburger head, obviously, is always hot. It's always a perfectly hot hamburger.

[Valerie Tosi]

Is it steaming?

[Pete Holmes]

I'm saying he's not a cold cheeseburger.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, you and I, our heads are pretty. I'm saying Mayor McCheese's head is a fresh off the grill cheeseburger. And it's always fresh. Always. Otherwise, it's a nightmare. Yeah, he's gotta, like, re. Cheese himself at least.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, my gosh.

[Pete Holmes]

What is that cheese gonna last a day? He's scraping off.

[Valerie Tosi]

I want you to finish. I'm saying your. Your head and my head are pretty. What?

[Pete Holmes]

Not hot. Not hot. Although they're 90, 98 degrees. Seems really, really hot. See, this is. This is probably. This is Hume fro.

[Valerie Tosi]

You were saying humphrow earlier. I think Humphrow is.

[Pete Holmes]

I think it can be either way. And that's sort of the point of.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. It's a Caribbean. Caribbean situation.

[Pete Holmes]

Although it is Pirates of the Caribbean.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. And it is.

[Pete Holmes]

And. But you go to the Caribbean.

[Valerie Tosi]

Caribbean. Yeah, yeah. Caribbean Sea. I don't think anyone says the Caribbean Sea.

[Pete Holmes]

Rugs oriental. That's all we need to know.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's literally all you need to know.

[Pete Holmes]

Welcome to Earth. Rugs are oriental. The Caribbean is where you go on vacation. Wait, I fucked up.

[Valerie Tosi]

I already fucked up. Look, I shouldn't have been asked to do the orientation for you.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no, it was his first one out the gate. Well, then the other thing. Oh, try. Try to play. Well, okay, listen first.

[Valerie Tosi]

But I'm not gonna do Steve's lava chicken. Okay? All right, here I go.

[Pete Holmes]

You see? You're loving it.

[Valerie Tosi]

I was closing my eyes.

[Pete Holmes]

You were loving it.

[Valerie Tosi]

I could have done that all day.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm just. I'm saying here's the other place. The. The tinfoil hat people. And I. I don't like that term. I'm saying the techno, the low techno. Techno. The techno people.

[Valerie Tosi]

The. No, techno.

[Pete Holmes]

The techno. But that's a music, and it's very techies. Yeah, it's weird that the techno is made with tech.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, it's short for techno logy.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm dead. I'm dead. You know you did it. You know you did it. That was me finding out. This flight does have a meal service.

[Valerie Tosi]

That reminds me, my friend Rachel and I used to laugh so hard because we took this speech class in college, and. And it's a speech class. That's key. And they. We had to do at the very end, our final was like a presentation. And the teacher was just like. And then, you know, you're fine for your final. You'll present what you learned. And one kid raised her hand and she said, so, when are we gonna presentate? And it was very cute. Presentate is like technology.

[Pete Holmes]

What's. Yes. I. I don't. I don't know if you're going for a big lap, but stuff like that always bugs me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Sad.

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, it didn't make me sad, but I. If somebody misspeaks or something or stutter, you know this.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. You know, I don't find it. Oh.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, no, I don't. I'm not correcting you.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, I hear you. I feel like a little bit of an.

[Pete Holmes]

No, you're not at all presentate. But I'll always be like, I get what you were trying. And so. So are you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, Yeah, I get it. It's just funny that it's like a speech class and it's like a. The. It's like presentate. It's just like it could have happened to any of us.

[Pete Holmes]

It Also brings me back to a presentation. No, no, it's a good. It's a good area.

[Valerie Tosi]

I don't know. I feel really bad now that I thought it was funny.

[Pete Holmes]

It's because it's. You're. It's because you have a golden heart that you even understand what I'm saying.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I had a presentation when I was in high school and I had to say Parliament. Parliament. You think Parliament gives a fucking swipe?

[Valerie Tosi]

A shag swipe?

[Pete Holmes]

A shag gives a shag swipe. That's the credit card. It's sex workers that take credit cards. Except a shag swipe. You swipe it, shack.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, a shag. Yeah. Got it, got it, got it.

[Pete Holmes]

But I had to say Parliament. And I'd said Parliament. And then at the end, Deborah Johnson, Mrs. Johnson, she gave me the. My notes or, you know, my grade. And it said, great pronunciation. Except Parliament is Parliament, you know?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I was like. But she baked it in with. She didn't embarrass me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, that's still.

[Pete Holmes]

Remember it.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's nice.

[Pete Holmes]

Isn't that great?

[Valerie Tosi]

That's sweet. We could. I. I could be a little more like Mrs. Johnson.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I hate. This is the other one. I. And I want you to tell me. It's tricky because I don't know if you'll be able to play this game. I'm going to tell you something that I heard in church that I still think about. That was taken as it was intended.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

What I mean is, for as much of the. I was always, like, I was too young to be in the service. I was so bored. It was the worst.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right? Of course.

[Pete Holmes]

But then there were. There are a couple moments in sermons. Most of them are things that were funny. Like, Richard Rhoads got up. I've told this before, I'm sure. And he was like, just so earnest. Just this corn fed, white boy suit, skinny guy, and he's like, my. My family and I, we've done something special for the past couple months. Every Friday, we pop up a big bowl of popcorn.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

We rent a movie. And then he did this. He goes, we call it movie night. And my family doesn't have a lot of shared jokes or we don't have that many. If I say we call it movie night, they know what we're talking about. It was one of the only times I got my whole family laughing like, did you see that?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, this is before that became a whole genre of comedy. You know, like awkward or wrong, he just did it. We call It Movie night. Like, it was unique to him. I was dead. But the sermon that I heard when I was probably, you know, 15, that I always remember and I still think is beautiful. There's a couple, but this is the one I'm going to share now is the guy was telling the story about this speaker that was talking in high school in the gym or something. He's talking to all these high school students. And this would be better if I could remember how he humiliated himself, but he humiliated himself in some way. He either tripped or he dropped something or, you know, his pants farted. Farted. We just talk about this for 40 minutes. Maybe he had a little diarrhea coming out of his shoe, but everyone could tell. He was like, oh, Hershey Kiss melted. But everyone knew by the smell. But he humiliated himself. And everyone laughed. The whole gym is laughing at this man. And then this teenage girl stands up and says, stop it. That's my father. And there's a true story. She screams, that's my father. Oh. And he gives a sermon. And then at the end, he's like, stop it. That's my father. Stop it. That's my brother. He's like. He used it as. Like, she said it like she didn't even know what she was saying. That was not her father.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, it wasn't?

[Pete Holmes]

No, no, no. That's important. I'm sorry.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, I've blown this. No, I've blown it.

[Valerie Tosi]

No.

[Pete Holmes]

A girl stands up and points to me and says, stop it. That's my father.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

The point of the story is it wasn't her father, but she was overwhelmed with this desire to defend.

[Valerie Tosi]

Defend him.

[Pete Holmes]

Someone in need.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And what came out. Oh, that's really involuntarily, was, stop it. That's my father. And, yes, we belong to each other. It's a beautiful story. So she was trying to articulate.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

The problem is we've forgotten we belong to each other. That's not a guest speaker. That's my father.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So it's a really beautiful.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, it. It's like. It makes him. It helps people remember that he is.

[Pete Holmes]

Like, he's one of us.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

A family in Father Greg Boyle. So Father Greg just did the podcast again, and in his book, which is called Cherished Belonging, which I can't recommend enough, he makes this point where he was talking to somebody at the LAPD or something, and a detective, and he was like, one of the things we teach is, if you're solving a murder case, pretend that the victim is a family member. That way you'll be emotionally invested, It'll have a story, it'll be real. You'll be more driven. And he goes, yeah, and we should pretend that the perpetrator is a family member as well. And you're just like, holy shit. It's right there. We're all right there. Like we can be pushed in all these micro directions and suddenly you're in the depths of your heart and you didn't even know you were so close to being in them.

[Valerie Tosi]

Totally. There's that movie that was nominated. I don't know if it won any Oscars, called Sing Sing about the, like prison, the high security prison where they. They put on plays, like Shakespearean plays.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, wow.

[Valerie Tosi]

And in high school or college, we watched a documentary about it. And in the documentary was like so perfectly perfect, perfectly edited. Thinking I was like, written. No. What? Yeah, edited because they, they formatted it. Where we see them, this group of guys, like, putting on this play and you fall in love with every single one of them and then they tell you what they've done and you are. And like some of it is like, I've never been able to forget. Like, it's brutal. But you're. But the reason why it's so impactful is you're like, but I already love you. Like, I'm rooting for you.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And it's just perfect. Like, it's just such a reminder that we are more alike than we're different. And the other, say, the other Father G line.

[Pete Holmes]

We don't have enemies, we have injuries.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That everybody is just. And that's the other part of the documentary is that they, at least a lot of them then say like, what was done to them or what they're how they were raised and what. And you're like, yeah, I see the whole picture. Like, everybody is multi dimensional.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, I've tried to make this point muchas muchos. One of the reasons I think we resist the idea of the God of love. The real, the real, real God of love.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because that experience to me feels very divine. Because you were in a thoughtless openness in the way that the space of this room would allow for me to be kind or ugly or whatever. It's just. It's still holding me.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I actually think that's one of the trickier things about the spiritual pursuit, believe it or not, is to come to terms with just how gratuitously. I was going to say grotesquely, which I say too much gratuitously. Loving yeah, well, love is.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well.

[Pete Holmes]

And you're like, oh, that's uncomfortable.

[Valerie Tosi]

Totally. Because it's the opposite. Opposite of what your. What you were. What we were saying. Our fantasies are where we get specialness and we get validation and we can be like, we earned this. Like, there is something inherent about just us, though, that is worthy of this.

[Pete Holmes]

No, if I'm being honest, when I was a young man, and I sure hope this. You know, I'm open to the idea that there's some uncooked kernels in me where this might still be true, but that would be unconscious to me. The real heaven is you're in heaven and no one else is. Where God and Jesus are. Just like, it was you, man. Yeah, it was you. By the way, this is before I had a family or anything. It was just, you know, that. That specialness seeking.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

Was so narcissistic and.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, it's the ego. But it also is that, like, it's tricky because.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, that's not that different from saying me and mine.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, you.

[Pete Holmes]

It would be less ugly to be like me and everyone I love is there.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right, right, exactly. But. But I'm not gonna be able to explain this in the way that you would be able to, but I do feel like it's like, in the way that. So there's the ego form of that, where they're like, I, Valerie, want to be the special girl who only makes it, you know, the only one, you know, special enough. But the truth is. Is like, we are not me, Valerie. But if we are all one thing, then that one thing does get whatever the kingdom of heaven is like pure consciousness or pure awareness or swimming in love. And it does get the whole thing.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

You know what I mean? So it's like, yes, it. There is a correctness to it. It's like. But it's just the separateness part that's wrong.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, there's actually something kind of lovely there, then. Meaning? I'm picturing the end of Star wars and they're all getting their medals except for Chewbacca. What? What?

[Valerie Tosi]

Didn't get a medal.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, that's a big nerd thing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Chewie doesn't get a medal. It's rude. But I think you're actually onto something. When I say actually, I mean what you're saying might even be more beautiful than you think. Is that like. Yes, you getting the medal? Is everyone getting the medal? And even more precious, the people not getting the medal, sharing their identity, their true identity with you. There's a Beautiful sacrifice there where it's like I'll pretend to be the person not getting the medal to create. It's the only way we can create the experience of you getting the medal, which is also me getting the medal. But just sometimes I'm not getting the medal and sometimes you are getting the medal.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

And there's something, you know, like that book, that children's book where they're in heaven and they're explaining reality.

[Valerie Tosi]

Star Child.

[Pete Holmes]

No, it's not Star Child. It's this other one. It's a little bit more on the nose, but they're talking about, do you want to go to Earth? They're talking to an unborn soul. And, and they're talking about the need for otherness. And it's like, I'll. You want to experience forgiveness? Well, I'll be someone you can forgive.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you're just. Tears are just streaming down your face. You're like, well, that's. You want to win. So I'll be the person that watches. I don't want to say lose, but you're watching the other person win because that's the self explorational nature of consciousness. It wants to play all these different games and sometimes you're winning and sometimes you're losing.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, that's right. God, I, I love books. Like in stories. I think we talked about this last time where it is sort of like we're choosing this. Like we are choosing life, knowing all of the ups and downs of it and complexities and horrors. And that really is like a place I'm trying to get in touch with just because. Mostly because I've had this weird summertime cold. But it's, it's. It's like kind of. And, and there's been some like, high highs and low lows recently. And so there's. There's like a mild hum of. It's not like, like I'm depressed, but there's like a, A Eeyore voice in my orbit lately.

[Pete Holmes]

Eorbit.

[Valerie Tosi]

Eorbit. Yeah. And. And that's like the thing to remember for that part of myself is like, like, yeah, even this, like, even this. You've chosen.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And. And you know, who knows? We don't know how we got here. We. We. Nothing is certain. But like, why not believe? Like, well, I'm here, so. Yeah, that. That's not an accident. Like. And just basically, like, I would say that this is sort of a cornerstone of whatever my spiritual practice is, is like just taking the challenge of falling in love with all of it. Over and over and over.

[Pete Holmes]

You say that. Because I was listening to Rupert this week.

[Valerie Tosi]

Shocker.

[Pete Holmes]

Wow. I hated that. I. Shocker. It was so stupid to say this in a voice.

[Valerie Tosi]

I think I said this last episode. But you've done this, like one of every one epis one time each episode where you say something unlike yourself.

[Pete Holmes]

That was unlike me. Yeah. And it was because I was, like, caught myself bragging that I listened to Rer Spyro brag. It's funny. Father Greg and I were talking about virtue signaling. And like, why is that so awful?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. That virtue. Show us your virtue.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. I. I make sure I read a little bit every day and. And it makes a big difference in my life. And I love it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I love it. Beautiful. Beautiful. Nando. Oh. So he was saying he doesn't often. So for those of you who don't know. What are you doing here, jk. But Rupert Spire is a non. Dual teacher and he's brilliant. And one of the things he says. I was gonna say he doesn't often do this, but he says if you could just do one thing, that it would be enough. And the one thing is say thank you for everything. He's like, be grateful, but be grateful for everything. He's like, that would be enough. Because it breaks the brain.

[Valerie Tosi]

It totally does.

[Pete Holmes]

What I said about. Yes. Thank you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I've been having a lot of sloggy summer point. Not pointless, just sort of like hum, fro, humphrow, but just a little directionless. Just, Just. You had to remind me the other day. You're like, yeah, Pete, this is the time you're on vacation now.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Not even vacation, but you're just like, slowing down. This is the month you're gonna slow down a little bit.

[Valerie Tosi]

Been really busy all summer, and you're finally slowing down. And you're like, what am I doing?

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. And it takes some adjustment. It's a transition. I know you know that, but I've been trying to go like, any ding dong can be grateful when they get a free ice cream.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But it. It's a special practice and a special thing to be grateful for your boredom.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Your midnight panic spirals and all this stuff and just be like, this is it, man.

[Valerie Tosi]

We're doing it.

[Pete Holmes]

We're doing it. And for the whole thing to work, for consciousness to. Let's. Let's go with the very kind of maybe oversimplified model of reality, which is perfect oneness wanted to explore itself, so it lost its itself in a story and played every part but the only way it would work, the only way it could work and experience, not to add or take anything away from it, but because it's its nature to create and explore and dance. The only way it works is if we get really, really lost in it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right.

[Pete Holmes]

It's the only way it works that you really. And I do, too, have moments where you go, like, what if it's a great big nothing? And you go, like, fucking a, man.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, I'm really deep in.

[Pete Holmes]

And you go, thank you for it. Doesn't make it go away, but you just go, like, right on.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

I don't know. Better than whatever is running this show. So thanks for this, too.

[Valerie Tosi]

Right. And there's, like, a trusting and an opening. You know, you were talking about, like, the nature of reality being sort of this love that allows all of it. And it's like, just over and over again, like, every moment that you can remember. Or, I'm gonna turn it on me that I can remember. Just trying to mimic that, to, like, be that about life.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, that's great. That's what Meister Eckhart said. He said, the only thing that God asks of us most pressingly is to. Oh, I got the first part so perfectly. And the second part, I'm gonna fuck up.

[Valerie Tosi]

You've done this.

[Pete Holmes]

I've done this mood choice where you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Get the setup, and it's like, there's one thing that every single person.

[Pete Holmes]

Person I know. Okay, Meister, keep laughing. There is one thing God asks.

[Valerie Tosi]

There's something.

[Pete Holmes]

Okay, Ready?

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay. Yeah, go ahead.

[Pete Holmes]

That you should come out of yourself insofar as you're. What? That's not it.

[Valerie Tosi]

In so far as.

[Pete Holmes]

That's not it.

[Valerie Tosi]

What is it?

[Pete Holmes]

Basically, you need to, like. You don't need to anything, but. But the ask is to sort of lower yourself and allow God to be God in you, right? That's the ask.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And I've been trying to do that a lot lately with Leela. Meaning that is often the challenge. You know, you're tired or whatever, and there's just a lot of energy. And I've been just trying this lately, and it's been really working. I go, just give it 45 seconds. I can't always do it, but there's something really divine in going, like a pause. Just the divine pause. Oh, my God. And when I asked for 45, there's something funny to me about 45 seconds.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Because it's too long.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's too long.

[Pete Holmes]

I agree. But it. It. There's. The attitude is right I'm gonna pause for 45 seconds, and then you end up pausing for six seconds. It's not that all reactive behavior is so evil or disgusting or wrong, but I like how it feels when Leela is refusing to pick a book. For example, like last night. She's old enough that she knows how to stall at bedtime.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

And you want to be like. And you just go, no, I know. I picked an example where you. But I have, too.

[Valerie Tosi]

This is helping me. This is. Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

Thank you. Don't give up on me, sir.

[Valerie Tosi]

This is what we're supposed to do.

[Pete Holmes]

Don't give up on me.

[Valerie Tosi]

I have been upset.

[Pete Holmes]

You didn't blow it. I've blown it. Muchos. Muchos golly.

[Valerie Tosi]

I know we've taken turns blowing it, and we've taken turns being the one that's able to be more patient, but I did notice that you were handling.

[Pete Holmes]

That was me doing the 45 the.

[Valerie Tosi]

Way that I wish I.

[Pete Holmes]

But you know why? And again, so much respect, endless respect to people raising children by themselves. I just. I. I mean that. That is not some weird concession. I'm saying. Amazing.

[Valerie Tosi]

How are you?

[Pete Holmes]

Exactly. Exactly. And you are doing so much better than you could possibly even think.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Bravo, is all I'm saying. Bravo. God.

[Valerie Tosi]

Christ.

[Pete Holmes]

God damn it.

[Valerie Tosi]

Bravo.

[Pete Holmes]

Bravo. What kind of guy says Bravo? Says Bravo. Is it me? Is it you? Is it Rob Lowe? Is it Rob Lowe? Does Rob Lowe say Bravo? Does Rob Low say Bravo? What about a reality show you watch on Bravo? Do they say Bravo?

[Valerie Tosi]

I really, like, got lost in that.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm saying, I started to say this earlier. I think that the Lo Fi techno people.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

Are right. And I also think. And you're gonna resist this. I know you are.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

The drum circle people were right.

[Valerie Tosi]

Why would I resist that?

[Pete Holmes]

Just because it's so crunchy, yeasty.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, I think drum circles are awesome.

[Pete Holmes]

Oh, man. Tell that to my deep arousal right now. I'm just kidding.

[Valerie Tosi]

Okay.

[Pete Holmes]

I'm just saying. Great.

[Valerie Tosi]

Well, because I also think that there's, like, something ancient and primal about.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, it's the same thing as the fire on the beach people, which is Natty Ice.

[Valerie Tosi]

I am a bonfire.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know you are, but Natty Ice has kind of co opted that culture. And I say, no, sir.

[Valerie Tosi]

So is American Eagle.

[Pete Holmes]

I say, no, sir.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

So if Devil sticks. I understand.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

But let's get a bonfire on the beach. Let's get a drum in everybody's hands. Do you remember when we did that, by the way, with the Gunners and I was playing on the drums, and the guy next to me went, what did he say? How did he stop me?

[Valerie Tosi]

He was talking to me.

[Pete Holmes]

He was talking to you? He was talking to me. I was playing the drum and you.

[Valerie Tosi]

Were sitting in between us.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes.

[Valerie Tosi]

Playing the drums.

[Pete Holmes]

Yes. And he went.

[Valerie Tosi]

And he just put his hand on the drum and just kind of like, gave you a little like.

[Pete Holmes]

He said something very. I think he was British.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, that's like.

[Pete Holmes]

Give that a rest for a moment, Mike.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, it was something like that.

[Pete Holmes]

I. I am fully on his side now, but that.

[Valerie Tosi]

That's.

[Pete Holmes]

No, that night I was like, the spirit of the drum circle is we drum.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah.

[Pete Holmes]

He shushed me in a drum circle. That's a new one. I've been shushed in drum circles. Is now my Twitter bio. I'm sorry, X. Jacob, the guy that thinks it's fresh to call it X. Oh, I'm sorry, X. Okay, that. That attitude is four years too late. I forget what we were saying. Bravo.

[Valerie Tosi]

Bravo.

[Pete Holmes]

The reason I was good and the reason I was able to exercise the 45 second rule was because for the 10 minutes leading up to it, you were with Leela, getting her in her PJs or something. And I sat there quietly and breathed. I know that sounds real drum circle, but by the way, sorry, another hot tip coming at us. The reason why we don't want. Another reason why we don't want to constantly be looking at Instagram or checking our work emails or just our email emails is because Instagram emails, it just. It's too. Very good callback.

[Valerie Tosi]

Thank you.

[Pete Holmes]

It's just an. You're gonna let. You're already about to be putting a child down to bed and reading stories and stuff. You want to bring work stress into that, or you want to bring, like, the news into that? You want to just bring, like, the dopamine letdown that you didn't watch anything good or the worst letdown that you were watching something good. Now you have to turn it off. Like I'm saying, bravo, bravo. That I just sat there and took a few deep breaths. Is that the secret to life? Because then you came in and because I had the break that you afforded me, I was able to take the. You tagged out, and I was like, I'm gonna take the 45. And by the way, at 7, most kids won't make it the 45 if you go, like, 45 seconds will not up. Bedtime. Let's let her look for a book for 45 seconds.

[Valerie Tosi]

Oh, you're totally I mean, it's a rigidity in my own mind where I'm like, she's doing it. She does it every night. I'm tired of being like, brush your teeth. Brush your teeth. It's like I'm telling a whole story every single night. But the truth is, is I. I'm telling her, you have five seconds to pick a book, which is making her stressed out and, like, awful right before bed. And then. But it actually, like, doesn't matter if I gave her even five minutes.

[Pete Holmes]

No, I know. And that's why 45 seconds is the brilliant time. It's long.

[Valerie Tosi]

Long.

[Pete Holmes]

But you'll only need six of them.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, and then.

[Pete Holmes]

And sorry.

[Valerie Tosi]

No, you were so right about the dopamine crash. In fact, my. My Instagram has my number in that. It's like giving me ads for some sort of app that helps you. I don't know what it does. I haven't. No, I haven't, like, looked at it. But it starts with like, are you basically finding yourself reacting more as a parent and. And having a shorter fuse and getting easily overwhelmed by, you know, mundane tasks? And I'm like, yes. And it's like, it's a dopamine issue. And I'm like, that's right. And it's that you. It. I'm getting this information from the app that's giving me the dopamine issue. This is so insane, I'm telling you. But I know that it's that because before I did those 10 minutes where you had a break, I was watching Hunting Wives, and I was, like, getting all the dopamine I wanted. And then I'm pissed that now I have to switch gears into getting someone to brush their teeth for 30 minutes.

[Pete Holmes]

Just know that when you're going on TikTok or whatever, and I'm not even fully against. I just told two times that I've had transcendent amazing experiences. Just know you're. You're going into Las Vegas. Yeah, I was going to liken it to a drug. No, you're just going into Las Vegas. There's the best shows on Earth and there's the worst shows on Earth and there's a million people and there's lights. Then you're going to come back and try and be, like, a quiet parent. You can't switch between those channels.

[Valerie Tosi]

And I.

[Pete Holmes]

Without some sort of cost.

[Valerie Tosi]

I think of that constantly in terms of Leela, like, I'm like, she can't be on screens all the time, otherwise she's going to be a nightmare when she has to, like, get dressed. And that's also happening to me.

[Pete Holmes]

Right. I know. Says the parent who got that from a video she saw. I know, jk. I'm not. I'm not judging at all. Can I also say one of the key ingredients to. For me, a complete emotional flood and, like, a meltdown. And like, if I'm gonna lose my temper, oh, I have a call or something. Oh, I do have a call in five minutes. That's okay. There's a pro tip if your phone is off all of the time. Set alarms if you have a call.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, great. Great tip.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah. For no one. For. For leisured comedians that make their own schedules. That was. Here's the. This is more useful. The voice that leads to a meltdown for a grown up is if I had done this with my parents. Or like, compare. Compare and despair. Right?

[Valerie Tosi]

Yes.

[Pete Holmes]

It's like, if I want to be like, Leila, pick a book or pick a song in the car. The voice of, like, when I was growing up, what we listened to was my father playing the radio, including the commercials at full volume.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, that pain that is a hundred percent the core of it. And why it's so unbearable to us when she's whining and kicking and throwing things.

[Pete Holmes]

Because we know.

[Valerie Tosi]

Because our child self is going, no, you can't. It's scary if you do that.

[Pete Holmes]

That's really good.

[Valerie Tosi]

Like, it's dangerous to do that.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

And so it. It's a hundred percent, like a child self reaction to be like, leela, come on. Like. And we'll even get, like, whiny.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah.

[Valerie Tosi]

We're like, I just can't. Like, can you just. Just be cool? Like, that is our child self, the parent.

[Pete Holmes]

I start. I do turn into a little child. I'll be like, come on.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, yeah, we're doing it. And then that's the thing. It just. I've just been in a real season where I'm like, oh, God. And this just happens where I have to, like. Like, it's a Buddhist sort of concept. Not too tight and not too loose where, like, I'll get really rigid about parenting.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, but.

[Valerie Tosi]

And that's not great. That's like, too tight. And then I'll get really loose as like a. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I feel like I've gotten too loose now and I need to just sort of like.

[Pete Holmes]

Yeah, the middle.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah. I need to just be making more effort, but I'm also exhausted and I need a vacation, dude.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, we'll. We'll update you on that.

[Valerie Tosi]

Yeah, that's right.

[Pete Holmes]

Well, thanks, everybody. Apparently, I do have a call. Apparently.

[Valerie Tosi]

Apparently. And apparently I've never been on the news before. Okay, everybody.

[Pete Holmes]

I love this. What a humphrow episode.

[Valerie Tosi]

What a hump episode. Let's play it out, everybody. Keep it crispy, Sam.