We Made It Weird #230

Summary

Podcast Summary: You Made It Weird with Pete Holmes – "We Made It Weird #230"

Date: October 24, 2025
Host: Pete Holmes
Co-host: Valerie

Overview

In episode 230 of the "We Made It Weird" Friday series, Pete Holmes and his wife, Valerie, offer a candid and humorous catch-up conversation that dives deep into themes of family dynamics, the changing nature of work, movie recommendations, introspection, and embracing one’s weirdness. With their signature blend of absurdity and philosophy, they explore vulnerability, parenting, pop culture, and the value of full-spectrum emotional experience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Musings and Obligations

• The show kicks off with playful riffing about the podcast’s purpose—making time each week for honest conversations.

• Pete reflects on how having this recurring conversation is both an "obligation" and a privilege ([03:08]).

  “If there is a thesis to this podcast, it’s that we like having this self-imposed—not obligation, but this recurring...”
  — Pete ([03:08])

2. Chicken, Jerk Chicken, and AI Tangents

• The duo riff on the name "jerk chicken," veering into a comedy bit about food names and masturbation, then quickly spiral into future speculations about how technology might handle controversies ([03:23]-[04:16]).

• Pete launches into an analogy about AI and the mechanization of brain vs. muscle, comparing AI to the Industrial Revolution ([07:19]).

  “The Industrial Revolution was the mechanization of muscle. And the AI revolution is the mechanization of brain.”
  — Pete ([07:27])

• Both joke about how conversations universally seem to lead back to AI, but keep it light and self-aware.

3. Marvel Movie Fatigue and Cinema Spoilers

• Pete shares his Marvel burnout, despite being a former superfan, and pokes fun at spoiler culture—particularly around the new Thunderbolts/New Avengers movie and Harrison Ford as Red Hulk ([11:18]-[12:13]).
• Valerie comments on the changing landscape of spoiler anxiety and how the Marvel universe has gotten so vast that giving spoilers seems less relevant.

4. Depth Behind Blockbusters and Therapy Connections

• Pete unexpectedly finds the Thunderbolts / New Avengers movie emotionally moving, linking its themes to therapy and the integration of the shadow self ([14:04]-[18:26]).

• Both discuss the importance of movies that encourage kids to face their shame and embrace their whole selves.

  “You have to incorporate your shadow. You have to face it. And… the new Thunderbolts, starring Marva Plumpton, is Pixar level good when it comes to, like, you have to incorporate your shadow.”
  — Pete ([18:18])

5. Rites of Passage, Puberty Stories, and Casablanca

• The hosts reminisce about childhood rites of passage (bar/bat mitzvahs, first wet dreams), comparing them to outdated cultural markers ([19:11]-[22:09]).

• They muse about "bloody pouch envy" and Freud chicken—a typical stretch of Holmes-ian wordplay and candor about growing up.

• Casablanca comes up as Valerie’s airplane movie—a "rite of passage" for cinephiles ([24:44]-[32:01]). They analyze why the film resonates more with age and experience, acknowledging how life’s emotional weight makes classic films more impactful.

  “You need to have a life experience to enjoy a movie that comes to you. I think you do.”
  — Pete ([29:08])

6. On K-Pop Demon Hunters, Blockbusters for Kids, and Shame

• Valerie shares enthusiasm for "K Pop Demon Hunters" as a new touchstone film for kids, applauding its incorporation of shadow/self-acceptance and top-tier music ([32:18]-[34:40]).
• Pete suggests this film is a rare new blockbuster with real heart and message.

7. The Future of Work and Human Connection

• Pete offers an optimistic take on how AI could allow future generations to step away from lifetimes of "grinding" labor, potentially freeing people for deeper connection and creative pursuits ([35:13]-[37:53]).

• They compare this anticipated shift to how people now look back in disbelief at dangerous, unpleasant work of previous eras.

  “I think Leela’s children will look at our time and be like, ‘I can’t believe they used to work.’”
  — Pete ([36:06])

8. The Uniqueness of Human Content

• As AI threatens to "optimize" podcasts and entertainment, they argue there’ll always be a place for the flawed, deeply human, sometimes gross (and weird) podcasts like theirs ([38:30]-[39:00]).

  “Maybe you want this one. Maybe you want the one with all these farts in the elevator. Just like something deeply human.”
  — Pete ([38:30])

9. Skeet Ulrich, The Joy of Collaboration, and the Human Drive to Create

• Pete is starstruck by Skeet Ulrich on a film set, exploring his feelings about why he (Pete) is drawn to acting and comedy—not for art’s sake necessarily, but for the chance to love, collaborate, and connect with others ([43:17]-[49:05]).
• Valerie asserts the primal human need to gather around shared goals is what makes life meaningful.
• Pete ties it into his own introversion, and the contradictory pull between connection and solitude.

10. Family, Parenting, and Emotional Challenge

• They admit the emotional complexities of Pete’s intermittent absence from home for film work, and how it’s affecting their daughter, Leela ([54:49]-[59:20]).

• Both process guilt, sadness, and growth from these separations, emphasizing practices learned from therapy like naming and tolerating difficult feelings rather than dismissing or redirecting them.

  “What are you unwilling to feel?... I feel really sad that I… and I’m going away again.”
  — Pete ([59:20])

• Valerie notes how everyone in the family, including kids, must develop tolerance for each other’s discomfort.

  “Our family needs these moments to practice distress tolerance for each other, for each other’s distress.”
  — Valerie ([68:00])

11. Relationship Conflict and Handling Big Feelings

• They discuss managing relationship friction and emotions post-reunion, advocating for pausing, self-reflection, and non-hurtful communication rather than venting every negative thought ([61:40]-[63:47]).
• Valerie and Pete share how they intentionally avoid saying things they can't take back, instead naming stories internally and then, when regulated, acknowledging them as just passing thoughts or feelings.
• They reflect on old patterns from their family of origin and how they show up in moments of stress.

12. Embracing the Fullness of Life

• The show ends with Pete reading Shel Silverstein’s poem “The Land of Happy,” celebrating the necessity of ALL feelings—not just happiness—as fundamental to a rich life ([71:56]-[73:17]).

  “You don’t want to be happy all day. You want life… is all the feelings.”
  — Pete ([73:17])

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [03:08] Pete:
  "If there is a thesis to this podcast, it's that we like having this self-imposed… not obligation, but this recurring…"
• [07:27] Pete:
  "The Industrial Revolution was the mechanization of muscle. And the AI revolution is the mechanization of brain."
• [18:18] Pete:
  "You have to incorporate your shadow… the new Thunderbolts, starring Marva Plumpton, is Pixar level good when it comes to… incorporating your shadow."
• [29:08] Pete:
  "You need to have a life experience to enjoy a movie that comes to you. I think you do."
• [36:06] Pete:
  "I think Leela’s children will look at our time and be like, ‘I can’t believe they used to work.’"
• [38:30] Pete:
  "Maybe you want this one. Maybe you want the one with all these… farts in the elevator. Just like something deeply human."
• [68:00] Valerie:
  "Our family needs these moments to practice distress tolerance for each other, for each other’s distress."
• [73:17] Pete (to Leela):
  "You don’t want to be happy all day. You want life… is all the feelings."

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Self-imposed Obligations and Podcast Purpose: [03:08]
• Jerk Chicken & AI Riffs: [03:23]-[04:44], [07:19]
• Marvel Movie Fatigue/Spoilers: [11:18]-[12:13]
• Thunderbolts/New Avengers & Therapy: [14:04]-[18:26]
• Puberty Stories & Rites of Passage: [19:11]-[22:09]
• Casablanca & Classic Films: [24:44]-[32:01]
• K Pop Demon Hunters Praise: [32:18]-[34:40]
• The Optimistic AI Future & Work: [35:13]-[37:53]
• The Value of Human Podcasts: [38:30]-[39:00]
• Skeet Ulrich & Collaboration in Film: [43:17]-[49:05]
• Parenting, Family Emotional Life: [54:49]-[59:20]
• Handling Emotions in Relationship: [61:40]-[63:47]
• Shel Silverstein Poem & Final Thoughts: [71:56]-[73:17]

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Takeaways

• Pete and Valerie embrace “weirdness” as a badge of humanity, encouraging vulnerability, humor, and honest examination of life with all its messiness.
• The episode weaves together pop culture, parenting, philosophy, and relationship wisdom to highlight how important it is for individuals, families, and societies to accept all feelings and find meaning in connection and creativity.
• While AI and technology may change how we live and work, Pete and Valerie believe there’s enduring value in what is distinctly, imperfectly human.

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Recommended By Pete & Valerie

• Films: Thunderbolts / New Avengers, Casablanca, K Pop Demon Hunters
• TV: The Chair Company, Valley Heat

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Closing

They end with the reminder that life is not meant to be happy all the time—a podcast, like a life, is richer, deeper, and more rewarding when it holds space for the full range of human experience.

"Life is all the feelings."

Transcript

[A]

Lemonade. You made it weird with Pete Holmes. What's happening, weirdos? You, you, you magical weirdos.

[B]

Magical freaking weirdos. I love you.

[A]

I almost KN something over. Which is why we're laughing. Anyway, welcome to the show. This is the the Friday episode where Valerie and I catch up. We're so glad you're here. Not much to plug. I'm gonna be in Chicago very soon, in Pittsburgh, and then New York, New York and New Jersey.

[B]

New York, New York.

[A]

And there's new dates added all the time. Please go to petehomes.com I hope to see you on the road doing stand up. And as always, the show is brought to us by things we actually use and actually love. So if you're inclined, try one out. Katie, roll that beautiful bean footage and then we'll get into it. It's morning in New York. Hey, everybody, I'm Andy Patinkin.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

All right, everybody. So glad you're here.

[B]

Valerie, get into it here. Oh, I thought you. I thought we both started to say here, but what did you say?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, here's us.

[A]

What?

[B]

I turned mine into a yes.

[A]

Here's.

[B]

Here's. We are welcome. Here's you too.

[A]

Oh, my God, we're so glad. You know, I was thinking in the. In the small moments before I hit record that I was like, this really is a good example of what this pod. If there is a thesis to this podcast, it's that we like having this self imposed, not obligation, but this recurring.

[B]

Yeah, obligation.

[A]

Oh, my God, you're a delight. Yeah, I guess it is an obligation. Doesn't have to be bad. No, I'm obligated to just straight up eat chicken wings and jerk it.

[B]

Are you I do.

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According to Colonel Sanders. I am like the Colonel. There is something in the Colonel's face that says, you better eat this chicken. Like, there's a kindness in his eyes, but there's also like a.

[B]

That it was like, you're jerking it with this chicken, aren't you?

[A]

Oh, no, I don't like it. The hot grease chick. Jerk. Is that what jerk chicken is?

[B]

We solved it.

[A]

Recently canceled comedian the Jamaican community has come for the head of jerk comedian Pete Holmes, who imply the jerk chicken, their most delectable delicacy, is used for masturbation. Pete, what's your comment? Do you think in the future things will be sped up so much that they'll just be like, like a, like a controversy. Controversy. And its resolution will just be like a popping bubble.

[B]

Ooh.

[A]

Like I wonder if like our emails will start just replying to each other. I really think that's we're. We're getting there.

[B]

That's interesting. Without our approval. Or it'll like write an email and it'll studies.

[A]

I think without approval. This isn't an AI conversation. This is me saying isn't it isn't here tit here, here, here. It sort of is. But I. Not in the. In the way that I can be.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I'm just saying I'm already hitting the awesome sounds great thank you button. You don't hit the awesome sounds great thank you button. Because you're missing out.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Jamel. Jamel, Kumail's brother Jamel, who loves jerk chicken.

[B]

That is so for a different, like a different type of person than me. And I would say mostly male version.

[A]

I see.

[B]

But also there are women that I know that are like producers that are that kind of person. They'll do like no subject. Can we have a call next week? And I'm like, dang. I would be like, okay. I would be thinking what the subject.

[A]

And I like that about you, but it'll fawn for you. Awesome sounds great.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Has awesome exclamation point, by the way. It's only. This is not a technology podcast. If you do want to know. I got the new AirPods and Apple did let me write Microsoft on it.

[B]

That is so cool. That's one of the fun, the coolest things you've ever done, I think.

[A]

You think so? I still have to do like a social post. I think about it. Cuz I thought it was so funny.

[B]

You did because you posted the View on Chicago.

[A]

Did that get posted? Yeah, it did. Yeah. You saw it Online. Yeah. Oh, okay.

[B]

It was on my feed.

[A]

There you go.

[B]

My algorithm doesn't see.

[A]

Sometimes I give my virality to other people. I'm like, you can have it. W, L, Y T Chicago.

[B]

I think that's the perfect.

[A]

I think it is. It's cooler. Yeah, it's cooler.

[B]

It's cooler. It's cooler because you're just showing like. I'm just.

[A]

I'm a guy on the news.

[B]

This news.

[A]

I'm a guy on the news.

[B]

Check out this news channel. Whoops. Was I funny?

[A]

Whoops. Well, I did. Yeah. That is better than just me sitting around, but maybe I'll do both. Who cares? But they did let me put. One time I bought a pair of Nikes and they could. On the tongue, which is the funniest name of a part of a shoe. I know, because tongues do go that long, and I don't like thinking about it.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I was. My friend Lisa and I were just talking about how weird tongues are.

[A]

Tongues are so weird. And that we're like, let's own it.

[B]

And we talk with it. So we're like. And I was saying, if you want to communicate your inner world, move the oyster against the bone.

[A]

Move the oyster against the bone.

[B]

Just move this. This skin oyster you have against the bone.

[A]

Skin oyster was a bridge too far. But I like to move the oyster against the bone.

[B]

Okay, that's more skin oyster.

[A]

Okay. I can handle it.

[B]

More poetic.

[A]

I can handle it. I just got a slight gag. Reflect. Reflects.

[B]

It really is weird that you're like, the. The only way what is happening inside you can be communicated to anybody outside of you is to move. Okay.

[A]

You forced me. I am going to talk about AI in a general way that has nothing. I've been overdoing it with AI.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As I can.

[B]

You.

[A]

Like, it helps me understand the news people. The people that are like, you don't know what's going on. And I don't want to pick a country because something might be going on there. But, like. Like, really have a global understanding of, like, elections in Jamaica. The jerk chicken elections. I'm just saying, like, I have always been like, why are you doing that? Yeah, cut to me. I'm going. I said to you today, I was like, the only thing we should be talking about is AI. Like, it's so weird that we have, like, parent teacher conferences. We should just be like, isn't it weird that Leela will probably never have a job? Yeah, like, she'll just like. And I'm saying that in an optimistic way. It's just a new world. There is a dystopian, like, there's a way to say it with doom and gloom, but I'm saying, like, there's a very good chance I'm going to say one AI thing. The Industrial Revolution was the mechanization. Fun to say. Mechanization was the mechanization of muscle. And the AI revolution is the mechanization of brain. And. And it's going to be at, like, we couldn't dig ditches. We couldn't uproot mountains. We couldn't. Now we can, because we have machines stronger than us now. We're going to have machines smarter than us now. I'm not even saying this in a, like, you know, the Matrix, we're gonna scorch the sky and all this stuff. Although I have been hearing intellectual people saying the rise of the machines with no wink. They're just saying one of the Terminator movies. The rise. It's not Terminator 1 or 2, which is all you need to know. You don't need salvation. Terminator salvation. We all need salvation. I'm just kidding.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

There's a Terminator movie called the Rise of the Machines. And now that's something people in, like, nice shirts say on very popular podcasts. Yeah, they're just like, well, after the rise of the machines. And we're just like, wow. So anyway, so I'm like, wow.

[B]

And then we're just like, wow.

[A]

And then I'm like, artificial. And then I'm like, what's so natural about my intelligence? All I'm thinking about is boobs. Big old boobs. Titties, Tatas. Chicken. Jerk chicken. You have a jerk. You ever jerk it? Ooh. Why do you think they call it jerk?

[B]

Scaring himself. Jerk chicken.

[A]

It's Robin Williams selling a ghost story. He opens the door, it's Nosferatu. Nosferatu. Sted. It's more formal. That was very good.

[B]

That was very good.

[A]

That was very good. I had to stop and say, that was very good. Nosferatu. Stead.

[B]

I love it.

[A]

It's the more formal Spanish. Mexican. The Spanish magazine. It's the Mexican Nosferatu. And he wants to be more formal. Nosferatu. Stead.

[B]

It's great.

[A]

Oh, my God. Sometimes.

[B]

Sometimes all you need. I always react to that. The way that you react when I just say, like, any normal thing, like, you are.

[A]

But I love it. You're the king of my life.

[B]

Everybody needs to know.

[A]

I don't want. I like that. We have no. No. Kings protest. But I'm also like. Some people are like. I don't even want to say king. I'm like, we need to keep king. Don't let king go away. You're the king. I love calling people king. You're the king. I love calling children king.

[B]

You're the king.

[A]

It's a good word.

[B]

Kings.

[A]

Queen, I guess, is like, I don't want to.

[B]

What?

[A]

No, no, no.

[B]

We're keeping king. We're not.

[A]

No, no. I like calling girls king too, is what I'm saying.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Queen has like. Like what? No, no, no. I like yas Queen.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

I like Joss Whedon and I like. Yes, Quinn.

[B]

Joss Whedon.

[A]

Josh. Joss.

[B]

Joss Whedon.

[A]

Josh.

[B]

How did that come. Where did that come from?

[A]

I don't know, but can I say something? Because we're cooking. We're cooking. We got AI in there.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

We're going to talk about that. We got Y kings. I want to say that. Thunderbolts, Asterisk. The New Avengers. Which is a title and a spoiler. The title of the movie is a spoiler. Yeah, but I saw it without knowing they were the New Avengers. Look, I'm. With full respect to Marvel, at a certain point, I was like, okay, I think I'm done.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I had. What was it, 71 films.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

71, like, theater experiences and then digital downloads and re. Watches. I was in.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm not just like, I'm not going. Subway sandwiches. You know, I have that bit. We used to love Subway and now we act like we never loved it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I'm not. I'm not Subway sandwiching this. I'm saying I've loved Marvel at a certain point. Red Hulk, Harrison Ford right around there. I was like, I just gotta go. And I did.

[B]

Wow. What was Harrison Ford in? Red Hulk. What is that?

[A]

Harrison Ford is the Red Hulk. That's a spoiler. And guess what? No one gives a shit. Because who fucking cares.

[B]

What do you mean?

[A]

What I'm saying is there's a time where if I knew that Harrison Ford plays the President in Captain America, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And he turns into the Red Hulk. That would be a huge spoiler. That would be like, did you know? Sure.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But there was a time I did a big. And I said Two Face was in the Dark Knight because I saw it on a poster.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And someone was mad at me in the crowd.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, it was so precious.

[B]

We're past giving a.

[A]

It's like, like it's a real orgish Borg. It's an orgy smorgasborg.

[B]

That is something that I thought was really funny about the movie friendship when he kept being like, no, Marvel spoilers.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Because that was. That. You're right. That was such a thing.

[A]

Did you know that was gonna be Ryan Gosling in Friendship? It wasn't him.

[B]

Oh, it wasn't Paul Rudd.

[A]

You are just first in line to my heart buffet and it's all you can eat. You thought it was gonna be Paul Rudd and Ryan Gosling? Well, I like it because Ryan is funny and he looks little bit like Tim Robinson. Well, he does.

[B]

If I had thought about it for one second, but thought about it. But you're moving so fast. I'm going to get a magic mind to keep up with your weird ass brain.

[A]

You're going to go get one?

[B]

Yeah. Isn't it right here?

[A]

No, it's in the fridge. I've been doing them cold lately. I'll wait.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Can you hear me?

[B]

Yeah, keep talking.

[A]

You know what? You. You take a break. You don't have to hear this. I'll. I'm just going to say that.

[B]

Why don't you do your AI thing.

[A]

Now, what was I saying about AI though? Oh, there's a very good chance that. That our kids won't have jobs. Yeah, that. That. I. I'm saying this in an optimistic way. I've been going to. It's not the same without Val. We need her little laughs. We need her little. You know, her little. We need her. We need her. I can't talk about this. I'm gonna talk about the New Avengers. I watched it. And if you are listening to this podcast, that means you have an appreciation for inner work. Like parts work, therapy, knowing ourselves. And that movie makes me cry every time.

[B]

Which movie?

[A]

Thunderbolts, Asterisks. The New Avengers.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Not featuring Harrison Ford as the Red Hulk because it's pretty minimal. I think it didn't. It didn't like, smash it in the box office. And no, I'm not being paid to say this. Although, come on, Marvel, you know where I live. You can't get Sam Jackson in the floating ship to find me and send me some money. I think it's real.

[B]

Give me some money.

[A]

Give me some money. There's just a real. I want to watch it with you. You'll cry, you'll die. I don't know anything about Marva Plimpton. Marva Plumpton.

[B]

That's not a thing.

[A]

No, no. I know. That's what's fun about this is I know her name isn't Marva Pl. Braff's ex girlfriend.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Marva Florence Pugh.

[B]

Not even close. And are they.

[A]

I'm sorry. I'm going to hold Marva Plumpton in my left hand. And I'm going to hold Florence Pugh in my right. You don't think they're a little drawn.

[B]

To each other immediately?

[A]

You don't think there's a little magnetic pole from Marva?

[B]

Plus, I am happy to change my mind.

[A]

Marva Florence Pugh. What would I say? Plimpton?

[B]

Similar.

[A]

Okay. You're just loving me. Good.

[B]

Are they not dating anymore? I think they might still be dating. I don't know.

[A]

I'm not gonna Google it, because that's just too personal. I don't want to know.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

I'll find out in line at the grocery store. Marva Plainton and Z. Braff. I don't. I don't know why I don't think they're together anymore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But. Because I kind of look like Z. Braff. I've. Zbraph and I have agreed that we could be me, him, and Dax Shepard could be sort of a Three Amigos reboot. But we're all the same guy.

[B]

Yeah. Totally.

[A]

It's not a good movie.

[B]

No.

[A]

Like, instead of three variations, three different types, it's just the same white guy. You guys. Three times.

[B]

You guys will never be in a movie together. Maybe an audition room.

[A]

That was good. That was. You know what I saw? I saw Ryu. Ryu, we used to say. Right?

[B]

Do you say Ryu?

[A]

It's Ryu.

[B]

That's the. Oh, my God. That's the boy. Rihanna. Rihanna. Because it is Rihanna.

[A]

It'll never be Rihanna.

[B]

It is Rihanna.

[A]

It doesn't matter.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Is it Beyonce? It's Rihanna. It's Rihanna.

[B]

It's. But she.

[A]

Rihanna Gasteyer.

[B]

Her name is Rihanna, and she lets people call her Rihanna because she's like. I don't care. Because she's so cool.

[A]

She's so cool. She has a sexy, secret love. Rion Rhianne. Anyway, Rihanna Gastire needed a bigger laugh, But I don't know where we're. What we're saying. But I do want to say that. Oh. Because she dated Zach Braff. And I do think Zach Braff is dreamier than me. But we're in the same store.

[B]

Disagree, but.

[A]

So I'm like, maybe I. Maybe I could have dated Marva Plimpton.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Marva Plimpton. I think she's. She's. I don't want to objectify. Yeah. I'm not saying that's her value.

[B]

She's also incredibly talented.

[A]

Let me start by saying yes. Let me flip the script 1981 and say it's a. It's a. When someone can elevate a Marvel movie and really make you, which I think everyone in this movie does. But she does it like I'm believing it. She's evoking real emotion from me. And now that I've said that bullshit. She's a smoking fucking babe. She's a babe.

[B]

She's a total babe.

[A]

She's a total babe.

[B]

She's gorgeous.

[A]

Forgive and forget. I hope, Marva, that you hear this and you smile and you just go, like, in the accent of your character, you go. I don't know why, but I kind of like this. Like, I want you to do that. Yeah. So watch that movie with me. Because. I don't know. Spoiler. But it's. What I do in therapy every week is there's a feeling that I have that I am ashamed of and I'm unwilling to feel. And I go in and realize that all of the anxiety or fear or for me, it's really, like, aggression and, like, judgment and, like, anger, all of that is to just kind of. There's something in me that I can't accept. And I'm saying that the new Thunderbolts, starring Marva Plumpton, is Pixar level good when it comes to, like, you have to. You have to incorporate your shadow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to face it. And it's. I'm. I have the chills. Talking about. I don't know why more people aren't talking about Marva. The new Plimpton.

[B]

I really haven't heard any single thing about it, but I'm not, like, in that circle. But I'm so glad to hear an airplane.

[A]

And also, it's a very big airplane. Big airplane movie.

[B]

I watched Casablanca on the airplane. And we should talk about that. But. No, but before.

[A]

Look, I believe that we could. But is it going to have the fun of Marva Plimpton? Is it going to have, like, all of this?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. I'm kidding.

[B]

I do have something to say about that, but I will, actually, because it's so quick. Just that, like, I think we talked about Casablanca last episode or two episodes ago or something.

[A]

It sounds right.

[B]

Said, like, it's so much more political than you want it to be. And, like. Yeah. Just, like, want to, like it More So I. I watched it on the airplane and I was like, this is great. This is a great movie.

[A]

Can I just say, we don't have a lot of rites of passage. I was actually just thinking today this is going to seem totally random. That like, we're not. We're tribal in like a lot of pretty shitty ways, but we don't have a lot of like. You're going to cross this threshold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Judaism has obviously bar and bought. You want a bar? You want a butt?

[B]

Oh, bar the mitzvah.

[A]

What kind of mitzvah is this?

[B]

Bar or.

[A]

But bar. But bar. Bat mitzvah.

[B]

Yeah. All right.

[A]

I've told. I've said this on the podcast before, that girls get their period and that's sort of a built in threshold.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Obviously that, that I'm not trying to say that's all awesome, but I am saying at least it marks the calendar. Sure. And I remember being a boy, being like, we wanted to have. I don't even like saying it. It's actually better to say nocturnal emission than, oh, wet dream is just so fucking wet dream. My wet. I had a wet dream.

[B]

But that felt like a rite of passage.

[A]

I didn't tell you this. Me and all the boys in our. I think we had.

[B]

I think I.

[A]

We had bloody pouch envy. We had like. We. We were watching.

[B]

You can say wet dream, but you can say bloody pouch envy.

[A]

Well, pouch envy is a thing and I'm saying the pouch is the vagina.

[B]

I know. I know how you got there. I just hate Australian.

[A]

Sigmund Freud. Sigmund. Fried, fried, fried, fried, fried, fried, fried.

[B]

No, fried chicken.

[A]

I'm sorry, you said fro chicken, fried chicken, fried chicken. Sigmund Freud chicken fried jerk style.

[B]

I think I've got it. Freud chicken.

[A]

Freud, Freud.

[B]

Are you saying Freud, Freud chicken.

[A]

Now are you saying Freud, Dr. Sigmund Freud, Freud Chicken.

[B]

I mean, Dr. Sig. Doctor. I can't do it. Doctor. I can't do It.

[A]

Doctor.

[B]

Doctor.

[A]

No, that was British.

[B]

That was British. It always goes back to British, by the way. And not even a great British accent.

[A]

Was it not great?

[B]

You know what? When I try to do any other accent, it turns British. When I try to do British, it becomes Russian. And I'm not.

[A]

And we're back to Avengers, the new Thunderbolts.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

That's wrong, man. That's like a fun way to say I don't know.

[B]

Because as I've said, I don't. Okay.

[A]

As I've said, you're. You're in Congress. As I've said, I don't know these movies.

[B]

I don't know anything about this movie.

[A]

I saw Black Panther. I did not see Wakanda Forever. I'm sorry. The whole thing erupts. The whole room.

[B]

Okay, you were saying, Sigmund Freud.

[A]

Oh, we wanted to have wet dreams.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And when I finally had one. Gross. Yeah, well, I guess I shouldn't say gross. It was a mitzvah. It was not a bar or a bat mitzvah.

[B]

It was a boner mitzvah.

[A]

Yeah, Boner mitzvah, Sure. I mean, it's the one to beat.

[B]

Beat.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Beat mitzvah.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I. I had one and I called my. So being in junior high is just. And I don't mean homosexual. I mean homoerotic. I called Matt and was like, I had my wet dream. And you're like, great. And I remember he was like, now the only one who hasn't had one is Eric. He had a tally going.

[B]

He's still hasn't had one.

[A]

Which. By which, by the way, not everyone has a nocturnal.

[B]

But isn't it sort of like. And this is disgusting. Should I say it? Here he goes.

[A]

Here it is.

[B]

It's like your milk's come in.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Isn't that the bright of passage?

[A]

Well, I knew dudes that jerked it and nothing comes. Pun intended.

[B]

Sure. But I. That's what I'm saying. Isn't that the. The turning point of the wet dream is you're like, oh, now I. Yeah.

[A]

Because you might have been having dry dreams, but with orgasms. Is that what you mean?

[B]

Yeah, I guess I was thinking, like, for a lot of.

[A]

Buddy, we're just gross.

[B]

We're gross.

[A]

The whole species is gross. I think about this all the time. Remember in. What is that amazing movie? International Galactica? Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

No, no, it's not Guardians.

[B]

It is Galactic.

[A]

Some.

[B]

No.

[A]

Is it Galactic Starship Troopers?

[B]

No.

[A]

Welcome.

[B]

It starts with a G and it's so good.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Okay, I'll Google it. Because it's driving people crazy. Tim.

[B]

You know, it. It's such a good movie. It's an actual perfect movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, Galaxy Quest.

[A]

Galaxy Quest. You're quoting David Mamet.

[B]

No, I'm not.

[A]

I'm sorry, I don't mean to. Mamet explain you, but the reason why people say Galaxy Quest is a perfect movie is because David Mamet.

[B]

I know that I may. Yes. No, Mamet, who I.

[A]

We all know mammoth. We've all had mammoth. Have you had mammoth? Marmot. What's a marmot? Okay, here we go.

[B]

You have to stop.

[A]

You have to stop it. He said there are two perfect movies. One is, like the Godfather. It's not the guy. It's some. It's always annoying to me when people are like, you haven't seen the princess's lost earring, like, from 1932? And it's like, yeah, I missed it because I haven't traveled by covered wagon. There was an in Flight wagon movie.

[B]

Like, there's no way that anything that applied to people at that time will apply to me now.

[A]

Completely agree. And whenever you watch an old, old movie, you don't know how old anyone is.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, Is this girl 17?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then she's like, I'm retired. And you're like, okay, times were different.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all the men look old and all the women look very young.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Everybody's eating cigars and smoking bratwurst.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So anyway, he said Galaxy Quest was a perfect movie.

[B]

Right. But also, so did Kumail, and that's the one that I'm going by. I rewatched Galaxy Quest.

[A]

I don't know if we can do this voice anymore. I liked it.

[B]

It's kind of.

[A]

I think, if you've known it, is a little British.

[B]

Okay. So going back to Casablanca, just real quick. AI I realized it. It is. I do think it's almost unnecessarily, intricately political. And. And most of that is in the beginning. So you're just sort of like, am I really getting invested in, like, how people are trying to get to Lisbon? And in order to get to Lisbon, they have to be in Casablanca.

[A]

Real, you know.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rite of passage. Wet dreams, deodorant. You liking Casablanca? That's a rite of passage, like you.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And I haven't had this one yet. I'm dry.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My milk hasn't come in when it comes to liking Casablanca.

[B]

Right, right. Which you would now, though, because that was. The thing is, I watched it in high school when I was like, I know I'm supposed to like this.

[A]

I saw it in Cambridge, in Harvard Square, and I was like, I'm gonna see the best movie of all time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Five minutes in.

[B]

I'm like, well, the first five minutes is the hardest because it is a map.

[A]

I was going to say, like a.

[B]

Dotted line along a map trying to explain the intricacies of how people were trying to escape the fucking Game of Thrones. And it's really just like, you need. All you need to know is that Casablanca was like, A wild West. Unoccupied waiting room for people who were trying to leave and they're.

[A]

And to flee the war.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which war?

[B]

World War II.

[A]

You sure? Because World War I. I'll trick you.

[B]

I know every once in a while.

[A]

When you're talking about. Not you, everyone. You're talking about World War II.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then you go, wait, Hitler.

[B]

I know.

[A]

No, gotta have Hitler.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Japan sneaks in there sometimes. You're like, wait, Japan was World War II as well.

[B]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

And actually, by the way, I know that was a really dumb thing to say. I don't want anyone thinking that. I don't know that that was dumb. But Japan. Germany gets, you know, and then Japan was an ally to Germany.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that's underreported. Who would have been like, what did he promise them? Them?

[B]

I don't want to talk about this.

[A]

I do. AI that's the AI of the time.

[B]

I don't want to talk about.

[A]

I don't want to either. I hate this. I'm thinking Ben Affleck, Pearl Harbor.

[B]

So Casablanca is so. It is so good. And it does apply to the times, but it. It really is sort of time. Yeah. Timestamped in that it's so much about, like, Rick Humphrey Bogart being, like, this man who has been hardened basically by losing the love of his life. And now he's like, I'm only looking out for myself. But he actually isn't. But he's, like, trying to stay neutral in the most insane, like, what side are you on? Situation.

[A]

And so he keeps asking people, what side are they on?

[B]

No, everybody's like, what side are you on?

[A]

Oh, okay. So it's like Blade Runner. We don't know if he's a robot.

[B]

Yeah. And he's just like. Exactly. And he's just trying to really stay neutral. Trying to, like, put his head down. And then, like, you realize, like, so late in the movie, I think, like, that it's because. It's all because of Ingrid Bergman and that he's like, oh. And she comes back hardened.

[A]

And that's like. Of all the bars and all the world.

[B]

Yeah. And you. And that scene really is beautiful because he's like, this up. And for the first half of the movie, it feels like he's just this cool cat who's like, not. Is just ev. Every response is the coolest thing. He's so put together. He doesn't buy into anybody's. He's, like, doing all this stuff. And then this one woman comes and then he's, like, destroyed by her.

[A]

What does he start doing? He's eating cheese.

[B]

Well, he's just, like, drinking and, like, smoking and is, like, like, slamming on the table. Like, just, like, play our song. If she can handle it, I can handle it. Like, it's just. It's, like, so lovely. And I really feel like it is sort of.

[A]

Yeah, you need to have a life experience to enjoy a movie that comes to you. I think you do.

[B]

And also, you need to be able to be like, I'm a grown ass person now. I can really focus and try to understand this history lesson that I'm about to get in order to have the context. But also, what you would do and it would totally work, is be like, I'm not gonna pay attention to this. Casablanca was like a town that was a waiting room for getting to Lisbon and getting to LA to Americ.

[A]

Is Lisbon LinkedIn? Is that the same thing?

[B]

Yeah. That's why I'm like. It's unnecessarily intricate because it's like. I guess they wanted to be accurate, but I'm like, just say they have. They have to. In order to get to America, they have to leave from Casablanca. But it's very much about how, like, first you have to leave from Casablanca.

[A]

It's not dumbed down.

[B]

And then Lisbon to America. And you're like, why am I knowing anything?

[A]

How she comes to the bar and then what, does she just stay at the bar the rest of the movie?

[B]

No, but the. The lot of the movie is in the bar.

[A]

And is she keep coming to the bar?

[B]

She comes to the bar because. Okay, I feel like it's interesting for people for me to explain.

[A]

God, I just think, why? Like, clearly this guy's having a strong reaction to you being there. Why do you keep coming?

[B]

No, she comes. She doesn't know that it's his bar. And she comes with her husband.

[A]

He's banging glasses and saying, play our song. And.

[B]

And she's not there for that.

[A]

That.

[B]

But then she does come back.

[A]

Does she notice that Humphrey Bogart is there?

[B]

Well, yeah, she goes to the bar, not knowing it's his bar. And then she sees him.

[A]

But then does she come back?

[B]

And then she does come back, and he. That's part of it is when he's banging the glass, he's, like, staying up all night. He's, like, staying up late. And Sam the piano player is like, you need to go to bed. And he's like, I know she's gonna come back. I know she's coming back. And then she does come back.

[A]

Oh, so it's on purpose when she.

[B]

Comes back, it's on purpose.

[A]

What if this movie is ruined? That she's sitting on a bar stool and she leaves and he just goes and takes a deep inhale of her seat.

[B]

Oh, my God. See, this is why we need Casablanca. Because now we're all jerk chicken in Marvel movies.

[A]

I'm just saying. I mean, how much would the. Could the movie still work if he just has a moment a week? As soon as he does it, he's like, what am I doing? What am I doing? I shouldn't have done that. I just missed a smell. I just missed a smell. Of course. Stopped playing piano. He's frozen.

[B]

He's like.

[A]

His face. His jaw is dropped. The whole bar is like, what am I supposed to do? This is as close as I can get to her.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Could the movie then resume?

[B]

No, we would never recover from that. Okay, but what I wanted to say, I wanted. We're having a movie heavy episode, but I wanted to say, and I know you agree, how you feel about thunderbolts. The new adventures. Did I say it right?

[A]

Adventures.

[B]

Adventures.

[A]

Very funny.

[B]

But did I say adventures?

[A]

Like the adventures of the Avengers? I'm with the Avengers. Have an adventure.

[B]

It's like such a mom. The new adventures.

[A]

I said Marva Plumden or whatever. I mean, it's over up there, but.

[B]

That'S how I feel about K Pop Demon Hunters. And here's the thing. I think a couple people have messaged me being like. Like, show the duck. Being like, talk about K Pop Demon Hunters.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Because.

[A]

Why? What?

[B]

Because I. I posted something where Leela and I were dancing to the music, and it's just, like, sweeping the nation. And I. I don't even have a lot to say about it. I just want to say I feel strongly about. I feel very strongly that, like, thank God our kids have material, like, they have movies. That the message is about all about shame and about incorporating your shadow and letting people see your flaws and your shame.

[A]

I cry at the soundtrack.

[B]

I know. It's so.

[A]

And it's also very much like, parts work, and it's also Moana, and it's also a lot of things, but it's like, there are these things that we think are our enemies, and actually we need to lay down our arms and figure out what they want from us. All that sort of good stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But the music is amazing, and I hate. That's an oversight.

[B]

Well, you have.

[A]

I was gonna say I hate music.

[B]

Catchy music.

[A]

I have a hard time with catchy music. I currently have takedown in my head and I don't mind that never happens.

[B]

So good.

[A]

Mila wants to listen to it constantly. So if you haven't seen K Pop Demon Hunters, it's really, really good. And I, I. Maybe this is a dumb way to think about it, but I'm like, I want a movie about how they made it. Like, how did they do this?

[B]

I know.

[A]

They just. It seems to me that there's K pop as a. So Korean pop music.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then somebody was like, there's an opportunity here. And they put a ton of money into it to like, really take their shot. And it worked in a world where we just don't really have blockbusters anymore.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And somehow this, like, caught on.

[B]

Yeah. Because the music was so good. But all. But that's the thing is, that's what I thought it was gonna be. It was. I was like, this is just gonna be fun because the music is very good. And. And it'll be like, it's fun to see the opulence of like K pop stars and stuff. But it's. That's why I was like, so blindsided by how the message is like, no, it's great. Exactly what kids need to hear.

[A]

And also the art is incredible. It's like. I'm not gonna say it's as. Because spider verse is like, what? What are you doing? Like, that's very cool. Let's say spider verse is 100 out of 100.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This is like a solid 94. It's very, very good. Good.

[B]

Yeah. Absolutely.

[A]

Very, very good art.

[B]

I agree.

[A]

Okay, we'll go to the mids and then what? Let's. We had a really chunked day yesterday. We could talk about our feelings.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And how we process that. That was very interesting to me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then we'll talk a little bit about AI. I'm just kidding. We don't have to.

[B]

We don't need to.

[A]

I'm just saying there's a good chance.

[B]

Just give yourself like a week of not watching AI videos.

[A]

One. Yeah. Yeah. I took. I took YouTube off my phone. YouTube, by the way, Sleeper social media. It is just a crazy Absol sleeper.

[B]

24 hour news cycle.

[A]

I know. I just want to say, and this is an optimistic thing. There's. There's this silver lining that I see, which is like, I think, you know how we look back in the old days and we're like, oh my God, the doctors put leeches on them. And everybody seemed to work in a mine, and, like, seven people died.

[B]

Everybody seemed to work in a mine, which is awful.

[A]

I mean, like. Like, a lot of it was awful. It just seemed really bad. People were, like, taking the stakes up on their house and going west and hoping to find gold and got tuberculosis. And then someone shoots you for a nugget. And it's just brutal. I think that Leela's children. So there's some optimism. Meaning, I think this will happen. Leela's children will look at our time and be like, I can't believe they used to work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think one of the things that will be alleviated from this, and I am an AI optimist, is that people will go. They used to work 12 hours a day sometimes. And I'm not talking about, like, things they liked. I'm talking about, what is it? Arbitrage. It's like, when people figure out I can. Yeah, but it's arbitrage. It's like economic arbitrage. It's like, oh, I figure I can pay you If I'm making $10, I can pay you $2 dollars to work for me, but I'll make $8 from your work. That's just, like, part. That's just the deal. Yeah, I know the people that I work for make more than I do, you know, and that's just what's going on. I think Leela, and maybe either Leela or Leela's children will look back and be like, can you imagine, like, five days a week they just went in and. And grinded it out. Because the stuff we're doing, a lot of it will be alleviated. And I know. I don't want to get into that. I'm just saying there's a really interesting possibility that we will get to a place where we're like, they used to be constantly dying from all these things that we have cures for now, and we don't need to, like, give our entire lives. So I think we might see things getting very advanced, but then things getting a little bit more simple for human beings and a premium on connection and being together and creating things for their own sake. Because we'll be able to make anything, but then we'll realize. But it's pleasant to put on a play in our backyard or whatever it might be.

[B]

Yeah, I like that.

[A]

I think that was nice.

[B]

That was nice. I think that is true. I mean, I do think we're out of time, Valentine. People need tasks, you know, so we just. We would have to Replace it with tasks.

[A]

That's gonna happen. That's gonna happen. Okay. I can't predict what's going to happen, but I, I think while it's frightening in a transition to go, like so many jobs, including, they say, podcasting, it's like everything. Yeah, it's like everything. You know, there's a good chance that soon, if we get to this next level or whatever, these AIs will be able to do it. I think we're gonna get into like an old fashioned summer camp way and meaning, like, we're still gonna do a podcast and people will still listen to it. Even though you could probably listen to something that is like, scientifically designed to be the most stimulating. Like you cut out me saying bloody pouch envy. Like that won't be in there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But maybe you want this one. Maybe you want the one where there's all this, like, all these farts in the elevator. Just like something deeply human.

[B]

Right. And. And again, I don't think we'll all react to it in one way. That's the thing about us, is that everybody is so different. It's like they did make. It's like what they did with food. It's like, okay, so they made Doritos. The thing that is exactly what your brain wants.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And there is a big part of the country that's like, all right, so I eat Doritos all the time.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there's also a lot of people who are like, I know this is what my brain wants, but I'm gonna, well, make my own tortillas.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I won't stop telling everybody how amazing Skeet Ulrich is. And that is just cute.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

Well, yeah, we've unpacked it quite a bit. So I'm doing this movie. It's called the Big Kill. Skeet Ulrich from. He's from. See, I'm a skeet apologist now. I want to be like, he's not Skeet Ulrich from Scream. But a lot of people will know him from Scream. But he's been acting consistently and doing it very well for a very long time. And he's worked with a lot of great directors. Who cares? I'm just saying, you do.

[B]

You care.

[A]

I do care. Because remember, like, how I was really taken when Whitney Cummings did my podcast a really long time ago. And I know Whitney has. People tell me that she might have some views that I might not agree with. I'm just saying I was very taken. Oh, it wasn't Whitney. It was Chelsea Handler.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Whitney. I don't think.

[A]

No, I love Whitney.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But when Chelsea Handler did the podcast, I remember just being very taken with her. Sometimes I'm just taken by people.

[B]

Yes, yes.

[A]

And I, I'm very taken with Skeet. But it's, it's not just that he's a baby is a babe. And it's not just that he's like a very, like, manly guy. And, and we were laughing that we just don't know a lot of guys.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I have a lot of. Let's put it this way, I have a lot of hangs where I'm the most manly guy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, that's hilarious.

[B]

Yeah, that's true.

[A]

I'm the guy that's like, ah, what?

[B]

I know.

[A]

Insane. Any other situation, I'm gonna be way on the other side.

[B]

And also, there's, like, things to unpack, notably about, like, what is manly, But I know what you mean.

[A]

Oh, I'm sorry. I'm using it in a pejorative way. I'm using it in the old fashioned way. And I'm also gonna say gay in the old fashioned way. I just mean, like, frolicking and fun. I'm just kidding. But, man. Yeah, you're right to point that out. I just mean he makes his own furniture. I mean, his hands feel like sandpaper.

[B]

Traditionally masculine Renaissance men.

[A]

Yeah. Okay, that's. That's nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Rugged. Can we say rugged?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I know a lot of rugged lesbians. It's not. It's not about. I know a lot of rugged lesbians.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Lesbians that would throw sand in your face during a fight.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Oh, God. And then they're fucking Anya and you're dead. I'm just saying, living where we live and being the kind of folks that we are, artists, whatever, it's just nice to be with somebody that's like. But here's the thing I really want to say about Skeet Ulrich is that, like, he cares about acting. He, like, takes it not too seriously, where it's like, eye roll. I don't know if my character. It's not that. He just does the work and he preps and he reads the script a lot. And when I asked him, why are you doing this movie? He just had a curiosity. He was like, well, I'm really like, I love storytelling. And I was like, that's weird. I don't really give a about storytelling. And I was like, I just. I. I like doing stuff. Is it fun? Is it not embarrassing? And can I be funny? And is it with people I like?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And. But then I was really kind of, like, felt hollow and a little bit embarrassed that I was like, am I really just some sort of, like, mercenary just going around for number one? Like, is it fun? Well, I like it. And there's something really noble about a guy that's like, I think people will like this story. Or I, like, I want to share this with people. Like, we were watching the Chair Company. It's Tim Robinson's new show, which I'm like, it's Valley Heat. Good. I don't know if I can say it any more strongly.

[B]

Yeah, I think that's. That's right.

[A]

There's things like the Office, like, I don't want to say especially. But, like, the British office being the first thing. I think the American office is also that way. But when we were like, holy, things can be, like, really excellent.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then Valley Heat, where you're like, holy. And now Tim Robinson and Zach Canaan, who deserves a shout out because he was the assistant to the cartoon editor when I was submitting cartoons to the New Yorker.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

So Zach Canaan, who does all the things with Tim, is. I don't know if he still does cartoons, but he was one of my absolute favorite cartoonists and a really nice guy. He's the guy. We emailed our. Like, if we got cartoons in, so it'd be like, no, stop emailing me. I'm just kidding. But so they made this show. It's on hbo, it's on Pepsi Max, and it's called the. The Chair Company. And when I'm watching it, I'm like.

[B]

Holy shit, we were dying.

[A]

When things are good. And we've had this conversation on the POD before, but we're like, when things are good, you're like, right, yeah, you can make something amazing. But, like. Anyway, I just wanted to say I'll skip to the punchline because this is a snooze and I've been talking too much. I like doing things, but it's not just to light up my brain. It's because it's an excuse to love people. And I know that sounds maybe kind of schmaltzy, but, like, being on a set, even, like, enjoying Skeet and the rest of the cast. Natasha Leggero is in, and I'm having fun with every single person, every part of the crew, every producer, director, everybody. You're just like, it's life. Yeah, I know. That's so obvious. But, like, I was like, oh, am I. Am I a. Am I just out for number one? I started feeling sad that I don't have, like, a higher purpose, that I don't really care that much necessarily. Like, I'm not. When I'm making the movie, I'm not like, this will really help someone out of a jam. You know what I mean? Maybe it will, but, like. But then I'm like, no, it's just one step at a time. And right now it's just an excuse to be with people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just hanging out with people.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

And you can smile at people, you can make people laugh, you can appreciate people. You can meet new people. You can appreciate them, you can laugh at them. And you're like, it's just another excuse to Live and be with people. That's why I like to do stuff.

[B]

Absolutely. I think that's the only reason I, I, yeah, I think it's like, fundamentally, I can't believe I'm the one that's bringing this up, but it's like tribe where it's like when there's a group of people, which I haven't even read.

[A]

One of the seven books I've read.

[B]

But, but when a group of people has a common goal, when they're all trying to make the same thing, that is our. And I really think that's like our truest nature. That's why it feels so good, is because what is life if it's not a collaboration of forces creating.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

So when we are putting ourselves in situations where we're doing that, we're like with the flow of life.

[A]

Not to get dark, but the skin walkers, which is the Native American, I hope, I'm pretty sure, I guess get sensitive about Native American culture. I want to be respectful and not just say things are Native American because they sound kind of whatever. But I believe skinwalkers, it's like people that do awful things like, like hurt people for what seems like no reason. There was a term for that in Native American culture was a skinwalker. It was a guy who attacked his own tribe. Ah. And like, when we look at these people, I, I, everybody knows what I'm gonna say, so I'm just gonna say it. It's like they're not connected. They can't find their way into the group. They're reclusive. They're outcasts. They can't be. They can't loved and be and be loved. Like they need some brokenness loved. That's what Homeboy Industries is doing. By the way. My favorite non profit, Homeboy Industries is taking all these gang members who, some of whom have, have done awful things. And it's like flooding them with, with being seen and held and cherished and included. And you see these lives transformed, it'll make you ball your eyes out. Because we go like, nobody's evil people. We don't have enemies, we have injuries. But what I'm saying is, like, when I'm on a set or when you're making your short film or whatever it might be or doing standup, it's like, yeah, we want to be plugged in. We want to be like we're meant to. We're like conductors. Like, you zap me and then I zap you. And I don't even like people I know. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm not an extrovert. This isn't an introvert, extrovert thing. No, it's a.

[B]

It's a fundamental human need.

[A]

And there's a way to do it as an introvert. And that's why I like performing, because it's clean. It's like, I'm coming. Here's what I'm gonna say.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It's been written down.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this is what I'm gonna lead.

[B]

Leave.

[A]

This is where I'm gonna stand. It's perfect for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to just be floating around going, like. In fact, on set on Monday, my joke is I go up to people and I go, I don't care about your weekend. I only say it to my friends. But because 15 people will say, how's your weekend?

[B]

Right.

[A]

Extroverts love that.

[B]

Yeah, well, yeah, get the.

[A]

But my way of loving people is going, I don't care about your weekend. Don't ask me about my weekend. And they laugh. And then we end up probably talking about her weekends. But, like, I. Anyway, it's exciting to be like, there's a way to be social and to be connected and still not be just like a. A llama that runs around sniffing everyone's ass.

[B]

This is so interesting, actually, because I'm. It's just occurring to me. It's a takedown, take down that when you are doing movies. Films, Phil, Films.

[A]

Just kidding.

[B]

What's happening to both of us is you are an introvert who is learning how to work with people and be social. And I am an extrovert who is learning how to be alone.

[A]

Because I'm away.

[B]

Because you're away.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

So we're both like. It's like, it's an important. And that. That gets to sort of our big feelings yesterday that I think it's notable that like. Like when you say yes to a film, a film, it's like it's us as a family sort of saying, like, all right, we're saying yes to an uncomfortable growth period for all of us. Like, and I know it's not only that, it's also fun and fulfilling and great. But, like, I've noticed now you've done enough movies that it's. It's not the same as when you tour and stand up, because that's just like, you're gone for three nights or whatever. This is like, okay, we are. This is gonna be a lot of things. It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be really hard. Uniquely and individually for each member of our family.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

And we're. And because it's hard, we each have an opportunity to like, because it's hard on Lilo, grow and learn from it, you know, and, and it's also gonna be easy. Like, like there, there is another confusing element to it where it's like, it's obviously hard to like, solo parent for three weeks, but like, and, and you know, it wasn't exactly three weeks, it was more like two weeks. But. But then it also is. Is easier and simpler where it's like the house is always clean. And it's like.

[A]

I think you can all see the face that I'm making.

[B]

And like, Leela and I are like quiet and like, I offer her like what I offer her.

[A]

No, I spent the whole. I'm saying this to agree with you. I spent the whole morning with just Leela. Yeah, we've been getting up at like 5:30. It's been crazy. But it's also this special time because I'm about to leave back to Toronto today. And like when it's just us, everything's easier. Getting in the car is easier. Going to breakfast is easier. Saying it's time to leave is easier.

[B]

For some reason, she really does well when it's just two people.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so she's like me. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

It's like an ADD thing. I'm not saying she has add. I hope she has an interesting mind. That's how I like to put it.

[B]

I think she, she definitely does. But. Yeah, so, so then there's like a. Oh, we just like want you to get home and you're like, I just want to be home. And then you get home and it feels like like everyone is like, this is exactly what I wanted. But there is like a weird clown. Too much birthday adjustment period, suddenly there's a clown. And it seems, and I said this to you yesterday, it seems like all three of us are putting off our feelings about not being together to just like get through it. And then once we are together, we all, all three of us are very sensitive, emotional people. We all sort of have like an off gassing of our feelings that we've put off.

[A]

Oh my God.

[B]

All at once. And so that gets really kind of tricky. Like we're all having big feelings all at once and we're trying to like.

[A]

Yeah, well, that's what I wanted to bring up. So being away, it's been weird because this, this part in this movie is big enough that I feel challenged and fulfilled. So I'm feeling like, psychologically healthy. I've also stayed away from weed and sugar and all the things. Even like, porn. Sorry. But, like, I've just been, like, keeping it tight, keeping it tight, and that's been making a big difference. But then, like, the work is fulfilling and I'm doing something every day and I like the cast and the crew and the director and everybody. So, like, it's been a long one and I haven't been the best. Christmas pageant was hard because I'd be off for several days and it's Winnipeg and it's like pitch black at 3pm and it was hard, but this one's been great. And then coming home, Leela being seven, she's old enough now to like, know that I go and like, we have, like, a very special relationship. And she really doesn't like that I go now and she can be more vocal about that. So then I come back and like, something like dropping her at school becomes this, like, new goodbye. She's just saying goodbye to me for school, but because I left for two weeks or a little bit longer, she now doesn't let. So she's having a hard time at drop off. And you and I are very aware it's not 1985 anymore. We're going like, this is because I've been traveling. But then like, even that. What's interesting to me is I. Something we talk about a lot on this podcast is what are you unwilling to feel? And because of my therapy and this parts work in Avengers, the New Thunderbolts, all of this, like, Demon Hunters. What exactly. What am I? I'll see like a choose your own adventure. I'll have this moment of like, I've been gone. That's been hard on Leela. That's like a no, no. That's like, I can't even touch that. It's just too painful to think that I did something that's been like, compromising her emotionally. So. But, like, I'll notice that in that moment. And they don't even come in as feelings. They really just seem like, like, floating options. One of them is like, well, somebody has to work. Like, don't. You should like, the voice come in? Yeah. Then they go like, nobody complains when the money comes in. You know what I mean? Or like. Or some dads go to work every day. I go to work in these bursts and then I'm around and then there's bursts and. But like. Or. And you had a friend Visiting. And I've only been home for two and a half days. And we love this friend, but, like, I didn't get, like, bat signal level spotlight attention on me. And then that also shows up as, like, I could say, well, I. This is hard because I didn't even get, like, I came home and you weren't even around. Like, I don't feel that way. I'm just saying, like, you see, the sadness of. I. I wasn't around when my daughter needed me is so unbearable that, that, that there's. Or it would have been unbearable. I think therapy has helped me and conversations and having a partner like you has helped me just go. Like, I'm. I'm sad. I. I feel really sad that I. And I'm going away again.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Lila, like, is clearly feeling all this stuff, but to. To not. I guess I'm. I'm proud to be in a phase of my life where these things show up. Up. But they're not musts, they're these options. And I can go. No, thank you. That's okay. No, thank you.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. I. I think that was. There was a lot of time.

[A]

Sorry.

[B]

Yesterday. Because it was just such an emotional day for Leela. And then that sort of triggered all of our emotions about it, where we were, like, just sort of quiet because we were both internally processing.

[A]

Yeah. We haven't done that. Where we were both looking out the window.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, my gosh. The house cleaners are here, and I am not prepared for that.

[A]

It's okay.

[B]

The house is a disaster, Val.

[A]

I'm pretty sure 99 of people. Okay, I'm gonna say 81 of people. I'm gonna say 40 of people.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Don't clean before the cleaners.

[B]

I did. I disagree. I've. Write to us and let us know because I'm pretty sure I'm in the majority here. Well, of course you didn't. You didn't clean.

[A]

You think I'm some sort of piece of human.

[B]

No, I love you.

[A]

You think of some.

[B]

I have to let them in. No, I do love you.

[A]

Okay. I'll talk about AI for a minute. Okay. I'm just kidding. I'm not gonna talk about AI. Okay.

[B]

Yeah. But I. So I think that what I was saying to you yesterday too. What I came because, like, yeah. You know, know this is. This is honestly maybe a good insight into how our relationship works too, is that, you know, we are both so tender, especially towards conflict, especially with each other. That. And this wouldn't work for everybody in their Relationship. But for us, I've noticed just like when we're in moments of stress like that, where we're both feeling a lot, we're just getting quiet and processing our own stories. That's why last night I was like, I had my own versions of that.

[A]

You know, and we need to talk about it and. No. You know what I mean? Like when we're having those feelings, I won't be quite right until we have like, we have to sit and like, like see each other.

[B]

Yes. But it, it. Yes, we have to do that. And we're. I think a lot of people are in relationships where they would be saying those things in real time.

[A]

I know. And, and, and you and I both put it. We're like, we're overwhelmed. Let's not talk about it.

[B]

Yeah. Let's not say the harsh stories that we're telling about how we're like, that's.

[A]

How I am with myself too. I'm like, that's what I'm saying. I'm like that I'm dysregulated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I'm not gonna listen to that, Believe that thought about myself. And I'm also not going to believe that thought about you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or anything. And, and share it.

[B]

Like. Right.

[A]

And just have. I don't. But I do understand more now as a grown up that that's a viable strategy to like just throw all the. At each other and then be like, oh, sorry, but you feel better? I guess us. Yeah, I guess you and I would rather feel better. I don't think so.

[B]

We would, we would feel. I wouldn't be able to forget that you said that to me or felt that way about me.

[A]

And you know, honestly, I think that's why that strategy is not good.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think a lot of people do that strategy. I. I don't know if people do that strategy, but I think like that's why it's such a cliche line to say like, you can't take that back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't take that back. Like, I'll always remember that you said, this is why you're such a fuck up like your dad.

[B]

Yeah, that's right. And people. And I know other people who can say those things to each other and they're like, ah, he didn't mean it. It was just in the fight. And they're able to get over it. But like, I just can't. Like we couldn't and we have self awareness. So. So one of the ways that we do sort of communicate it is like what you Just did. Where you're like. Like, I am believing this or I am. I'm. This story is happening inside me. But I. I know it's not true. But this is one of the parts Storylines.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then it's sort of like a way that I hear what you're. What's going on in you, but you're. But it feels safe to me because you're saying, like, I know that's not right. The whole.

[A]

There is a passive aggressive way to do that, but I really mean it.

[B]

Yeah. No, I feel you meaning it.

[A]

And when things get chunked with us. Us meaning there's something tense. I've been away and the family's sort of like taking. Having this. Having a lot of big feelings. It's hard. And when I get really depleted like that. We've talked about this before. I'll go to like the most extreme flip of the switch. I can. I barely recognize myself where I'm just like. Like the whole thing is just a fart and a hurricane. I'll go right to Nothing matters. I'm like, this is so weird.

[B]

Right?

[A]

But you've really helped me when that's happening. I just go like, you're dysregulated.

[B]

Yeah. Just don't believe your outlook on. On reality right now. Yeah. And I think we've uncovered this before, even maybe on the podcast. But I think in those moments. And we really have gotten so much better at it because we've got. This is a part of our lives is that you do this work that sometimes takes you away. And. And it brings up all this stuff in us. And one of the things that it brings up is when we're dysregulated. You. It's like you're afraid of becoming your father, and I'm afraid of becoming my mother. So you're afraid it's so unbearable to you that Leila would have feelings about you working because you had feelings about your dad working. And I.

[A]

No, that was a moment where I was like, it happened. It's the cliche. I'm like, I did it. I'm doing what my dad did.

[B]

Yeah. But then. And then all the protectors are like, but I have to. It's all on me. I'm the only one. Which I'm sure your dad had all those protectors saying those voices too.

[A]

Right. Which is why, though. Sorry, I have to speak to that. It's too sad. Sensitive for me when Leila's like, just cancel all your movies. And I was like, baby, I totally wish I Didn't have to go away for as long. And I'll say, like, but, you know, it's my job, and we need money for our house and for food and all these things. And she'll be like, we could just live with my cousins, and I'll just go to their school. And then I was like, well, you're right. I like where we live. It's not just for you. It's for me, too. It's for all of us.

[B]

And I think that's important.

[A]

That's. That's something that I think was not available to my father to even consider. Meaning I'm letting him off the hook. I do have the bandwidth to go, like, it's not. Everything I do is for my family. It's like, this is also. I told you, it's fulfilling, it's fun. I like it. But we're just trying to find the right balance.

[B]

Yeah. And then, like, my. My protectors will be, like, telling stories about how I've become my mother. And I'm just here to support your realities and dreams, which I know is not true even in the moment, but it'll be like, you know, the. The voice of it. Like, your. Your voice that's like, I. You know, I have to work, Somebody has to make money or whatever. My voice will be like, my things matter, too. I'm not just whatever.

[A]

I know. No, the whole thing's a trap. You came into this. I'm a person looking for that dynamic. You know what I mean? Like, I want to provide for you, and then you end up provide for you. That's. That's not the quite right way to say it. Yeah, but I want to be the person. Oh, God, this is hard to talk about.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. But then later, when it gets stressful, you go like, oh, just send the check. Which is Birbiglia's great line. Yeah, just send the check. So, so much of our lives is like, getting what you said, what you arranged for, and then resenting that someone went along with your stupid plan.

[B]

Right. Or, yeah, it's like, yeah, getting what you wanted, but then being upset that. That what you wanted has, like, downside.

[A]

That's right. Or there's times when it doesn't feel good.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

And then you're like, well, I guess I wasn't who I thought I was. And then you just. You feel like a fool.

[B]

But I do feel proud of how we handled it. And the real takeaway is that. And I said this last yesterday to you as well, that it all comes down to like, to me, it comes down to our family needs these moments to practice distress tolerance for each other. For each other's distress. Like, it's so hard for me to know that, like, you're feeling neglected because I'm with my friend and there is sort of like a two different sides.

[A]

I'm so embarrassed that that's true.

[B]

But. But you were also in, like, a tender place. You wouldn't necessarily always feel that way.

[A]

That's true. True.

[B]

And. And I have my experiences that I have two sides of it where there's like, one that is like the codependent, like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I'll just like.

[A]

But you didn't. I was proud of that. I was great.

[B]

Yeah. And the other. And then, like, the other end of the spectrum is, Is the, like, my stuff matters too. This is my stuff. You know, like, you've been doing your stuff. I get to do my stuff now, you know, Totally. And. And then the truth is somewhere in the middle or a third option, you know, And. And you handled all of that really well, and so did I. Like, I think we both handled it perfectly, where it's just like you sort of had your feelings about it, but you processed it all on your own and then you shared it with me, and I didn't take it on as, like, something that I have to fix. No, but that's me trying to develop a tolerance for your distress, which is very hard. And of us with Leela's distress. Forget about it.

[A]

Yeah. And. And me for yours.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Well, we can get into that next week. We're out of time because I have to go back to Canada.

[B]

We actually are out of time. While I, While I was talking.

[A]

Oh, wait, no, no, no.

[B]

I'm done. I am done. But it's funny because you're always like, we're out of time, but we actually are this time.

[A]

Yeah, we really are. But, yeah, we can get into that. I. I was. Next time I was thinking a lot about again, everybody in my family did great and they did the best they could, and we weren't very nuanced. It was like a real economy of favorites. And you want to be the favorite or you'll be an outcast.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I have a real. It's why I like one on one podcasts. That's why I like stand up audience. I like clear things. I don't do as well in, like, group things. And like, everybody's special and you get your time. And I'm like, like, no, no one can be special. But me, like, there's a real baby that's like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't mean baby in a bad way. I just mean there's literally, like, a baby that's like, I think I'll die if I. If I'm not the chosen person.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And so when you're just with your friend, having your needs met, I'm just like. I just turn into Lou Ferrigno and the Hulk. Just walking down the road alone. It's like. Which is so dumb. It's because something else is wrong. Yeah. Because I love being alone.

[B]

Yeah, absolutely. And. And it is the only. I think the only way of healing that part of you is to have more and more experiences like that where it. Where you learn. Like, oh, that happened and I didn't die.

[A]

Yeah, that's right.

[B]

Just like it is for me, being alone. Like, I can be alone here and nobody murdered me.

[A]

Right? And I go, there's that. That. That old familiar feeling. And it's okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what I said to my therapist. I was like, I. I withdraw a little bit. But, like, it used to be, I'd be shitty. I'd become, like, a little passive aggressive or aggressive aggressive being. You guys are dorks or whatever, making dumb jokes. At least now I can just be kind of weird.

[B]

Quiet.

[A]

Weird. Weird. No, no, no. Weird and quiet. You think? I don't know, I'm sitting there going like, boy, I'm being weird and quiet. But, like. Like, the alternative is like. Like peacocking in a bad way. I love regular peacocking.

[B]

Yeah. I love that. You're like, there is a peacocking in a good way.

[A]

Peacocks. I read this poem to Leela last night. So we're all, as a family, having all these big feelings and talking about them maybe even too much. Sometimes Leela is like, let's not talk about it. I'm like, okay, but we read this Shel Silverstein poem, and I want to read it for you guys. And that'll be how we end. It's called the Land of Happy. Maybe you've heard it. It goes like this. Have you been to the land of happy where everyone's happy all day? Where the joke. Where they joke and they sing of the happiest things and everyone's jolly and gay. I told you I was gonna say gay.

[B]

I did.

[A]

You did. I said I would.

[B]

You said you would and you did.

[A]

Oh, my God. There's no one unhappy and happy there's laughter and smiles galore I've been to the land of happy. What a bore.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Why not? And I can honestly say, what a bore. I don't understand why we just, like, each, like, we have.

[B]

No, we're analyzing the meter now, but it's wrong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What a bore. And I guess that's the point.

[B]

You gotta like you. You pause for it.

[A]

It's like, I've been to the land of happy.

[B]

What a boar.

[A]

Yeah, I guess. And I can honestly say, what a bore is better.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'll say it to Shell's face, dude. Anyway. And I said to Leela, I go, see, you don't want to be happy all day. You want life is all the feeling.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She said, yeah, it would be boring to be happy all day. I was like, yeah. And. And here we are. We've had this revelation a million times. Excited to do this podcast. Something to unpack, something to work through, and something that's of value because everyone listening, you know, everybody's having all the feelings. Feelings.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

We can't just be the happy podcast. Which is why, even though I have the face for it, I tend to not like things that are, like, just the happy stuff. Podcast.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not really me.

[B]

You have a face first.

[A]

I have the face for it. Oh, my God. He's got a real face for podcasts, but podcasts are video these days, so.

[B]

I'm saying he's handsome and I love to blow him.

[A]

Nice. Watch the chair. Company.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And what else did we write? Oh, and the Thunderbolt.

[B]

Casablanca.

[A]

And Casablanca.

[B]

And K Pop. Demon Hunters.

[A]

Valerie, get.

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Keep it. Christy.

[A]

Every caregiving journey is unique, but the isolation, guilt, and exhaustion we all feel, that's universal.

[B]

It's reality. It's life.

[A]

You know, I wish it could all.

[B]

Be happy and joyous, but sometimes it's full of rage. And that is what it is. That's why this show exists, to be.

[A]

A safe place for caregivers to land.

[B]

Listen to Squeezed.

[A]

Wherever you get your podcasts.