Ep. 125: Season One Finale- Voice Memos from YOU

Summary

Podcast Summary: You, Me & Mike – Ep. 125: Season One Finale — Voice Memos from YOU

Podcast: You, Me & Mike
Hosts: Jenn & Mike Todryk
Date: December 1, 2022
Episode: Season One Finale – Voice Memos from YOU

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Episode Overview

Jenn and Mike Todryk close out Season One by featuring voice memos from listeners, answering a wide range of questions and responding to heartfelt comments. The episode captures their signature humor, authenticity, and relatable take on marriage, parenting, business, and life. With a mix of lighthearted banter and deeper reflections, the Todryks engage with questions about financial habits, parenting, business decisions, personal growth, and their hopes for the future. The episode serves both as a Q&A and as a celebration of their vibrant podcast community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Season Reflection & What's Next

Timestamps: [00:01–04:49]

• Jenn and Mike celebrate the podcast's season finale with playful banter and jokes about sound effects, beatboxing, and their roles.
• They reassure listeners that Season Two is coming:
  “We're not going anywhere. There will be a season two for the podcast ... It's just a break for you guys, not for us.” (Jenn, 03:03)
• Plans include new interview guests and deeper dives into requested topics, particularly those outside their expertise.

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2. Listener Voice Memos: Questions & Advice

a. Financial Wisdom & Saving Habits

Timestamps: [04:49–12:56]
JC from South Texas asks how Jenn and Mike became financially savvy, and for tips on saving and budgeting with a young family.

• Mike’s Advice:

  • The first step is realizing you need to be intentional about saving.
  • Live "a rank below you"—spend less than your means, even after raises.
  • Pay yourself first: prioritize savings, taxes, and giving before spending.
  • Start by getting out of debt, then save at least two months of living expenses.
  • Seek conservative investments and consider talking with a financial planner.
  • Notable Quote:
    "Steal money from yourself ... take money from yourself and put it into an account where that's not your money anymore. That's for retirement, that's for savings, that's for whatever it may be that you're looking for." (Mike, 12:43)

• Jenn’s Advice:

  • Meal planning helped her save during lean years; use ingredients efficiently.
  • It's ok not to be able to save a lot right away—do what works, then increase over time.
  • Jen and Mike aimed for a high savings rate (30%), encouraging listeners to aim high but within their means.
  • Use visual reminders for long-term goals and discuss budgeting openly with family to stay accountable.

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b. Fun Debate: Michelin Man vs. Kool Aid Man

Timestamps: [12:56–15:35]
Sophie asks who is stronger, and if the Kool Aid Man is the glass or the juice.

• Both agree Kool Aid Man is stronger because he bursts through brick walls.
• Jenn: “He’s made of glass, and he has the weight of liquid behind him.” (13:37)
• Mike: Ultimately, Kool Aid Man is both glass and juice—you need both.

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c. Listener Appreciation & Impactful Feedback

Timestamps: [15:35–18:11, 25:19–27:33, 57:52–59:06]
Numerous listeners share how the pod brought them joy, laughter, and even personal growth.

• Denise thanks Jenn and Mike for inspiring her to try her first podcast; Jenn reflects on how positive feedback helps outweigh online negativity and means a lot to her.
• Hannah credits the Todryks’ honesty about marriage and division of labor for inspiring her to work on herself and her marriage: “Hearing that on the podcast has inspired me to start doing work on my own self ... it’s really helped improve our marriage.” (Hannah, 25:01)
• Cassie compliments their authenticity and thanks them for creating family-friendly content.

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d. Business Growth & Franchising Questions

Timestamps: [18:19–21:28, 64:32–66:37]
Blake asks if they'll franchise their coffee shop; Mary Kay wonders about future plans with their businesses after their kids leave home.

• Mike confirms franchising is the plan but emphasizes waiting until their systems and existing locations are strong to ensure franchisee success. “The question is not if, it’s more a matter of when.” (Mike, 19:41)
• Jenn and Mike discuss raising their kids around the businesses, teaching them real-world skills, but not building specifically for them or with the intent to sell quickly.
• They would consider selling businesses for the right reasons, but real priority is stability and community impact.

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e. Parenting: Opposite Kids & Strong-Willed Children

Timestamps: [27:33–37:07]
Blair, a fellow parent, asks how they handle having very different kids.

• Jenn: What works for one kid may not work for another; consistency is key, but consequences and approaches should be tailored.
• Mike: They use reward systems for some kids, consequences for others—"what works for Berkeley doesn't work for Vaughn."
• Jenn: Bribery (in the form of rewards) is not off-limits if it works for positive reinforcement. "I am not above bribing. I will bribe all day." (Jenn, 32:24)
• Emphasize naming emotions, modeling appropriate behavior, and picking battles.

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f. College, Trade School, or Entrepreneurship?

Timestamps: [37:45–43:54]
Stephanie asks if they’ll encourage college, trades, or entrepreneurship.

• Mike: Values education, but recognizes college is overpriced and not the only path; supports kids finding their strengths.
• Jenn: Would prefer kids go to college for highly employable fields (STEM) but recognizes skills and trade paths are valuable. "Pick a degree that you have to have that degree in ... it narrows down your competition so much." (Jenn, 38:39)

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3. Family, Marriage & Character

a. Moments of Pure Joy

Timestamps: [47:19–50:54]
Kim asks them to recall a moment where they thought, “This is joy and happiness.”

• Both agree it’s not the big, flashy moments (TV, red carpets), but the simple times at home—Christmas mornings, family time on the couch.
• Mike: “Whenever you feel love and connection, that's always the point where the joy comes through.” (50:10)
• Jenn: “When I’m on a couch, in no bra, pajamas, fuzzy socks, kids are playing...that’s when I’m happiest.” (49:14)

b. Top Traits for Their Kids

Timestamps: [50:57–56:46]
Shannon asks what trait they hope to instill in their children.

• Mike: Sense of humor and a love of learning; ability to laugh at oneself and maintain humility.
• Jenn: Confidence—believes it’s a superpower; credits a mix of genetics and upbringing, but also intentional self-talk. “I think confidence is a superpower. I think not getting your feelings hurt makes life easier.” (Jenn, 52:55)

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4. Personal & Professional Hopes for the Future

Timestamps: [67:52–74:02]
Whitney from Canada asks what they are most excited for in the future, as individuals, a couple, or family.

• Jenn: Focused on her kids' happiness as adults; doesn't like to plan too far into the foggy future, prefers attainable goals.
• Mike: Excited for the small and big milestones—brewery opening, business growth, kids’ choices as they become adults.
• Both: Embrace celebrating small victories and not getting hung up on unpredictable long-term plans.

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5. Lightning-Fast Life Recap

Timestamps: [74:08–78:33]
Luke asks for a recap of their last decade+ together.

Rapid-Fire Highlights:

• Met in 2010 at a Zara store, quickly married.
• Early miscarriage, then births of their three children.
• Mike's business school; Jenn starts blogging.
• Jenn’s TV show (No Demo Reno); Mike opens Armor Coffee and brewery.
• Navigating COVID-19 challenges as a couple.
• Growth: additional coffee shop locations, launching the podcast.
• Notable playful banter summarizing their journey:
  “We got married one year later to the date in Cancun, and the pastor’s tooth fell out while he said Jennifer.” (Mike, 75:57)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “Live a rank below you.” (Mike, 07:07)
• “Steal money from yourself.” (Mike, 12:43)
• “I am not above bribing, I will bribe all day.” (Jenn, 32:24)
• "I think confidence is a superpower." (Jenn, 52:55)
• “It’s the moments during the day ... all of us sitting on the couch watching a Christmas movie.” (Mike, 47:35)
• “You can have these emotions, but you can’t treat people like this when you’re mad.” (Jenn, 35:03)

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Episode Flow and Tone

The episode maintains the Todryks' trademark blend of humor, candor, and warmth, shifting smoothly between serious advice and playful discussions (like the Michelin Man vs. Kool Aid Man debate). They are supportive and candid with each other and with their listeners, balancing marital banter with practical wisdom and personal stories. The listener questions give the episode a community feel, with Jenn and Mike repeatedly thanking and encouraging their audience.

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Opening, Season Reflection: [00:01–04:49]
• Financial Advice: [04:49–12:56]
• Michelin Man vs. Kool Aid Man: [12:56–15:35]
• Marriage Impact Story: [25:19–27:33]
• Parenting Kids with Different Personalities: [27:33–37:07]
• College vs. Trades: [37:45–43:54]
• Moments of Joy in Family: [47:19–50:54]
• Traits They Want for Kids: [50:57–56:46]
• Hopes for the Future: [67:52–74:02]
• 10(+)-Year Life Recap: [74:08–78:33]

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Closing

The Todryks wrap up by thanking their loyal audience and encouraging listeners to look out for Season Two. They celebrate hitting over one million downloads and reflect on how much they've improved since the beginning, always striving to keep things genuine, relatable, and fun.

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For Updates:

• Follow Jenn: @theramblingredhead
• Follow Mike: @miketodryk
• Website & Coffee: armorcoffee.com

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Season Two is coming soon!

Transcript

[Jen Todrick]

Welcome to you, me, and Mike. I'm Jen Todrick, otherwise known as the rambling redhead on Instagram and the host and Designer of no DiMareno on HGTV.

[Mike Todrick]

And I'm Mike, and I'm also known.

[Jen Todrick]

As Mike, and he's Mike.

[Mike Todrick]

Applause, anyone?

[Jen Todrick]

Applause.

[Mike Todrick]

And while that sounds really important, it's not as important as the third person in this equation, which is you.

[Jen Todrick]

We love sharing our life with all of you on Instagram and hgtv, but here we get to dive deeper into topics that you suggest, answer questions you submitted, and share Stor Teresa impact us all. It's the finale.

[Mike Todrick]

Finale day.

[Jen Todrick]

Can you do, like, a sick beat or something? Because I can't do good sound effects for, like, the finale.

[Mike Todrick]

Finale. You like an explosion or a beatbox.

[Jen Todrick]

Let's try an explosion. The finale episode.

[Mike Todrick]

Nope, that's good.

[Jen Todrick]

Try beatbox now. It's the finale, y'. All. No, wait. Okay, take out the gorilla noises. Just do that.

[Mike Todrick]

That's not a gorilla. That's. That's a scratching. Squeak. Squeak of scratch.

[Jen Todrick]

Sounds like you're gasping for air. Okay. It's a finale episode, you guys. Finale of you, me, and Mike.

[Mike Todrick]

Mike, that's me.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay. That's me.

[Mike Todrick]

Honestly, that's good.

[Jen Todrick]

I like it. I feel good about that.

[Mike Todrick]

Fun fact. Pentatonix reached out to me because of my.

[Jen Todrick]

I know that they did. Deep lie.

[Mike Todrick]

They did. They're like, hey, can we do a Christmas special with you? And I was like, you know, no, I'm busy. That didn't happen.

[Jen Todrick]

You're so full of.

[Mike Todrick]

Oh, no, it didn't.

[Jen Todrick]

Someone clarify.

[Mike Todrick]

That one didn't happen. I mean, it could have. It should have that, but it didn't.

[Jen Todrick]

Mike, you would be hilarious in that group because, like, your faces as you do it. Like, you'd be the guy, like, off to the back, right? Like, completely away from the group, just doing it.

[Mike Todrick]

I'd be dancing with my awful moves.

[Jen Todrick]

They'd be like, please stop. You're not part of the dancing.

[Mike Todrick]

What is it? What is Vaughn's dance now? His weird, like, Orange justice dance that.

[Jen Todrick]

He didn't know what Orange justice is. What is that?

[Mike Todrick]

I don't know, but remember his bowling? He's got those moves.

[Jen Todrick]

He looks like he's having a seizure. I know. I'm like, vaughn, what are you doing? He just, like, flings his arms around and bends over.

[Mike Todrick]

It's. It's. It's a Fortnite dance. It's what it is. That's where he learns these things. Yeah. So yeah, it's popular. Well, we had a great Thanksgiving. Hope everyone else did, too. We're back recording. This is awesome.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah. Yeah. We took a break, obviously, for Thanksgiving week, and then it was perfect because now we have our finale episode. We asked on Instagram. I asked you guys on Instagram to submit voice memos. We got a lot. We picked our favorites. It was hard to pick, but we're really excited. We have, like, 15.

[Mike Todrick]

There's a lot of good questions. There's a lot of good questions.

[Jen Todrick]

A lot of good ones. And it's diverse. There's a lot of different questions, different topics. Not all. Just one thing. A lot of questions.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm excited questions.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah. People ask us.

[Mike Todrick]

Wow.

[Jen Todrick]

We talked about this. Do you know what we're doing?

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay, great.

[Mike Todrick]

Totally. We're in a bedroom talking on microphones and, you know.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

Spreading some love and some joy.

[Jen Todrick]

So just to clarify, we're not going anywhere. There will be a season two for the podcast.

[Mike Todrick]

Oh, yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

It's just a break for you guys? It's not even really a break for us. We'll probably take a break for a week, and then we get back into recording season two. That way we get a good chunk under our belt and we don't get behind. Well, I don't want to take any pause.

[Mike Todrick]

Let's not. Let's not. Yeah, we. Let's not plan exactly when, because we do have Christmas coming up, a ton of things going.

[Jen Todrick]

All I'm saying is don't worry about us disappearing. We're still working on it. Season two, just because it's a break for you guys, so.

[Mike Todrick]

Good ones, too. We could do some interviews. We've missed a few of the topics that we want to talk about, like health. And, you know, we had one of our, you know, physicians and physician friends is gonna be coming on. It's just gonna be some good stuff.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, a lot of the topics that you guys asked about, we thought, you know what? We're no expert on this, and so let's find one who is who.

[Mike Todrick]

That's right.

[Jen Todrick]

Who is who is an expert. And so, like, Mike just said, we'll bring on my doctor who manages my hormones for the hormone topic. And yeah, we have. We have some fun ones, too. Some vendor interviews that aren't experts, just fun topics that you guys asked.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. Maybe I can interview you, like, all of season one.

[Jen Todrick]

We have Jen coming on to talk about being on television, because I don't.

[Mike Todrick]

Do that enough already did. Didn't we do this last season?

[Jen Todrick]

Exactly.

[Mike Todrick]

All right. Well, so how are we gonna do this? We're gonna listen. So here's memos, and then we're gonna respond to it just like, as if they were calling in, right? Because. Yes, it's kind of hard to do a live podcast.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes, I guess you could.

[Mike Todrick]

I just don't know how to do it.

[Jen Todrick]

You guys sent in memos. We picked some really great ones that have diverse topics. We'll play them so you guys can hear your beautiful voices, and then we will respond to the question or the comment. And so, again, these are. Thank you so much for all of those who not only listened to the podcast, but took the time to record a beautiful voice memo and send it to us. It's gonna be a fun episode. Ready?

[Mike Todrick]

Let's do it.

[Jen Todrick]

All right. Hey, Jen and Mike, this is JC From South Texas, and I had a question for you guys. How did y' all become financially savvy and wise? Like, how did y' all learn how to save money? Prioritize your savings more than your wants and your needs? I am only going to be 25. My husband's only 27. We have two kids. But we want to be more financially wise with our investments and savings. I was not taught how to do anything other than that, but live paycheck to paycheck, and I don't want to live that way. And I want my kids to learn how to make smarter decisions and create those healthy money habits. So if y' all could give me a couple tips, I'd really appreciate it. And I love your show and you guys and your podcast and your family is so adorable. So y' all keep doing y'. All. Y' all are amazing. Thank y'. All. First off, that was a super sweet comment and voice memo. Super sweet.

[Mike Todrick]

It's a good question by J.C. it.

[Jen Todrick]

Was a very good question. Hi, J.C. thank you so much for submitting this. Do you want to take it away first, babe?

[Mike Todrick]

Sure. So I think the first step in creating wise and strategic or intentional savings is to recognize that you need to do it. So the first step is. She's already there.

[Jen Todrick]

Knowing.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, Knowing. Yeah. Like, it's at that. That living beyond your means is never good. And that's the first place to start is looking at what the needs versus wants are. And we all have things in our lives that we don't necessarily need.

[Jen Todrick]

I want to say wanting is okay. It's just. Is it in a healthy way? And are your once trying to do something that's not healthy, like create a facade of having money? You Don't. Is it proving something to someone? So having innocent wants is a human, a human desire. That's normal.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. The first, the first thing is. So when I. I was very fortunate. I had a scholarship in college, I didn't have a massive amount of debt. And there's a lot of people that get into debt early on because of college debt or credit cards. The very first thing, my opinion is get yourself out of debt. Work on that first, because it becomes crippling in the long term. And the second thing is, in the military, it was pretty easy to know when you were getting raises. You got raises every year. It was very kind of scheduled. And I had this thing is one person at one time told me, it's like, just live below your means, live a rank below you didn't really go into things. I was like, that kind of makes sense.

[Jen Todrick]

I love that. Live a rank below you.

[Mike Todrick]

Live. Yeah. So anytime I got our ranks, you.

[Jen Todrick]

Know what we're saying?

[Mike Todrick]

So. So anytime I got a raise, I just took that money and I saved it. And it was something was always like, it was like $200 a month.

[Jen Todrick]

It wasn't like you didn't change like.

[Mike Todrick]

Your spending habits and change any of my spending habits. And so. And that starts to compound as your career progresses and things move on. And so the. I always say steal money from yourself. It's sort of, you know, savings, taxes, tithing giving, things like that. That stuff should come off the top first. The very first thing you do. But you have to understand what your needs are and how much money you need just to live on a month to month basis.

[Jen Todrick]

And my take on that is I go back to 2010 where I was living in an apartment with no furniture and I didn't even have enough money to tithe like I. And what helped me stay on track with that to. I couldn't even really focus on savings that first year or the first six months. No, the first year, until I got a different job that paid more. Basically I would meal plan. I feel like a big way to save money is looking at your meals, buying from the grocery store. But even taking it a step further, it takes a little bit of time. But if you plan your meals and then you stick to what you planned on making, so nothing gets wasted and you buy what you need. Right. Buy bulk ground beef and then you try to find recipes that use the same ingredients that you just bought so nothing goes to waste. That's like the worst thing about cooking is you have sometimes all these leftover ingredients that go to waste.

[Mike Todrick]

Right.

[Jen Todrick]

So avid meal planning and I suck at meal planning. I'm not sitting here saying that I do it. Well, I don't but I know that is, that's what I had to do back then is I had my meals that I like three that I had on rotation. And it helped me have a little bit of money left in my bank account where I was saving. But really as a 21, 22 year old, I was just hoping my car didn't break down and all that money had to go to my car.

[Mike Todrick]

Right.

[Jen Todrick]

So yeah, as you go through life and you, you make more money or different things start to change, you can up your savings. I know not everyone can save right off the gate or even save 20 to 30% but Mike and I decided early on that we wanted to save 30 always, which is high. And so try to go, try to go as high as you can. Try to really challenge yourself on if you want something, do you actually need it? And I think the biggest thing is keeping your eye on the prize of what do you want in the future. Do you want that bigger house? You gotta keep thinking about that every sing day. Print off a picture, Print off something, put it on your mirror and it'll hold you accountable. I think another way to hold you accountable is talk to your family members about it and make it known. Hey, we're going to be sticking to a budget at Christmas. This is what we want to do. And most people will be like that's amazing. Good for you guys. Or they would respect it. I can't speak for everybody, but that also holds you accountable.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. So to Jen's thing is basically set a budget for yourselves and what your true needs are. And there's nothing again, there's nothing wrong with spending money. And there's another side of things where people start to save and save and they get, get so fixated on saving and they forget that what are you saving for? What are you saving for? What's the long term? And they're skipping vacations and moments and experiences that you can have. Sometimes it's okay to spend money. If you need a new car, it's okay to spend. You can't be afraid to spend money.

[Jen Todrick]

Right.

[Mike Todrick]

But it's about being within the means of it. And it doesn't. You don't saving isn't this get rich quick thing. And that's at least one thing. It sounded like JC wasn't like this idea like I'm gonna put this money and become a millionaire because that doesn't Happen. I mean, it's, it can, but it's, you're more likely to lose your money. So being conservative in your savings, setting up a basis of, you know, two months of your salary, like, or two months of what your needs are, that's really what you should have in a savings account is that something happens, your car breaks down, you need cash immediately, you should have two months of reserves minimum in cash and whatever that may be, and then the rest of that you start. And that's just the savings account or checking account, like, keep.

[Jen Todrick]

And again, as long as it's possible. I literally did not spend any money on anything because I couldn't whenever I was early on. But again, if you have money and you're spending it on new clothes every single season, new makeup to try more frivolous things, you know, could. You're closed, you really have to buy more. Like, just always ask yourself.

[Mike Todrick]

And again, conservative investments doesn't take that long to actually double your money. I mean, you, I don't know if you know this, Jen, but if you, if you have 7% savings and you save that and you just say you put a hundred dollars in or a thousand dollars, and you never touch that money, how long do you think it takes to double your money? If you had 7%, which isn't, which is a reasonable return, just say it. Ten years, that's it.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay.

[Mike Todrick]

You can double your money by doing absolutely nothing in 10 years at 7%. That's basically the math that equates to it. So you do better and it's awesome. So I kind of look for a conservative standpoint of where your basis is, but the reality is, is also talk to other financial planners and investors and people that if you don't know people, there's plenty of financial planners out there and there's some that are better than others. And, you know, you just have to interview people and see what they want for your family or what the best needs are and ask them about their fee structures and things like that. But just save. The biggest thing is if you're not saving, if you're not doing anything, or if you're just tucking it and putting on your. You're keeping in your checking account and not doing any money with it, you're.

[Jen Todrick]

Actually losing money doing any money with it.

[Mike Todrick]

Did I say that?

[Jen Todrick]

Yes, you did.

[Mike Todrick]

Well, meaning is if you have a checking account with just a bunch of money and that's not even leased in a savings account accruing interest, you're actually losing money because of inflation, Right? That Money is actually going down. You know, it's inflation.

[Jen Todrick]

Gosh, this could be a really long topic, JC With Mike, trust me.

[Mike Todrick]

Point is, get yourself out of. Out of debt. Save reasonably. Save conservatively. Live below your means if it's possible.

[Jen Todrick]

And I would say keep your eye on the prize and really find something that you and your significant other can agree on. As far as what y' all want to. What y' all want to do with this savings and remind yourself of it every single day, I think that's great. And I really do stand behind talking with family that you can trust and count on, because then they'll support you and hold you accountable as well.

[Mike Todrick]

Steal money from yourself. It's like if you have a W2, the government takes taxes right away. So take money from yourself and put it into an account where that's not your money anymore. That's for retirement. That's for savings. That's for whatever it may be that you're looking for.

[Jen Todrick]

There you go. Hope that helps, JC okay, next question is from Sophie. Who is stronger, the Michelin man or the Kool Aid Man?

[Mike Todrick]

Also, is the Kool Aid man the juice or the glass?

[Jen Todrick]

There is a correct answer. That is an interesting question. There's two in there. Two questions.

[Mike Todrick]

This is. This is another hot topic. These ones are trending. These are.

[Jen Todrick]

This is.

[Mike Todrick]

These are. This might cause some drama.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay. I think. I think that the Kool Aid man is stronger.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't think there's any question. That dude bust through big brick walls.

[Jen Todrick]

He's made of glass, like, and he has weight of liquid behind him.

[Mike Todrick]

So, like, glass can shatter. I guess he's bulletproof glass.

[Jen Todrick]

What if he's, like, shatterproof glass?

[Mike Todrick]

You don't know Bulletproof, which is.

[Jen Todrick]

So wait, is. Is the Kool Aid man the glass or the juice?

[Mike Todrick]

My recollection. I mean, I haven't seen the commercials a long time, but my recollection is when he. Oh, yes. And he busted that wall. I think his face moves, so I think he's the liquid.

[Jen Todrick]

Really?

[Mike Todrick]

I think he's like.

[Jen Todrick]

I don't remember the commercials.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm pretty sure.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, it would make sense because he's the Kool Aid, right?

[Mike Todrick]

And he's the Kool Aid man, but the legs are coming out of the glass and the arms are coming. Oh, so maybe the juice is the blood, which. Essential. You know what it is? It's both.

[Jen Todrick]

It's.

[Mike Todrick]

You can't. Yeah. He cannot exist without both.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, he could be Kool Aid man in a puddle on the floor, he could exist.

[Mike Todrick]

But if I took. Say I wanted to drink the Kool Aid Man, I just take a cup and I dip it in him and I drink it. It's not like that cup's turning into the Kool Aid cup man, right? It's got to be the jar. It's that specific. It's. It's sort of like, oh, it's like Frosty the Snowman.

[Jen Todrick]

So he's the liquid.

[Mike Todrick]

Wait, that's. No, Frosty can turn any snowman into snowman or into Frosty, Right?

[Jen Todrick]

Why are we on Frosty? Let's talk about trying to think what.

[Mike Todrick]

Abuse the Kool Aid man with his magical superpowers of busting through brick walls. And by the way, how mad would your mom be if you, like, every time you drink Kool Aid, your wall bust down and the dudes in there, it's kind of offensive.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, as a no demo Renault, I'm happy and I'll be there. I feel like business would be.

[Mike Todrick]

Dude has some, like, serious spatial issues, like. Oh, yeah, like, it just.

[Jen Todrick]

See, I don't remember the commercials. They weren't, like, prevalent, I want to say, like, maybe in the early 90s, but I was only like, four or five or six, so I don't remember them that much.

[Mike Todrick]

It is an aggressive commercial, and I respect it. But definitely the Kool Aid man is stronger, and I think he's the liquid. I. I think it's both. I think you need both. The end.

[Jen Todrick]

All right, next question. Okay, I won't lie. Part of me hopes you don't pick this, because I will cringe when I hear my voice on a recording because I can't stand it, but I'll deal with it. Also, I can tell you guys that this podcast is amazing. Before you guys released this, I had never in my life listened to a single podcast. And when you guys said that you were going to do this, I was like, well, I guess I'm going to have to give a shot. I've followed you guys for about three and a half years on Insta and love everything you put out there. I love following your family. You guys are so relatable and just seem so down to earth. So I knew it was going to be good, and I was right. It's. It's great. It's entertaining. It makes me laugh. You guys touch on tough topics also, but it's just really great. And I appreciate you providing us the entertainment and, you know, the advice and all that good stuff. And honestly, can't wait for season two. So thank you guys for doing this, and it's been great to listen. That was super sweet.

[Mike Todrick]

It's really nice.

[Jen Todrick]

I didn't hear a question, but that was, like, a super sweet comment.

[Mike Todrick]

That was really nice.

[Jen Todrick]

I feel like she's from Milwaukee. Did you hear Tapic? Tapic. Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

I say topic. It's my. I say bang.

[Jen Todrick]

Or is she from, like, Minnesota? Minnesota. I definitely heard an accent. Thank you so much, Denise. That was a super, super sweet comment. So kind.

[Mike Todrick]

It's sort of. Sort of feeds us to continue to do more of this, right? Like, I mean, it is nice to hear feedback that people are getting positive impact out of it. They're laughing with us. And. Yeah, you know, I mean, a lot of hot topics like Kool Aid, man, and they could discuss the hard things.

[Jen Todrick]

You know, with this job. Honestly, it's not even this job. I think it's life in general. I think everyone can relate to this. You can get a thousand people telling you you're sweet, you're a kind person, you're a good person, something that they approve of you. Right? But then one really loud, negative person can really make all those happy things disappear. And I hate that. I hate that that that happens to us. And so it's very, very sweet to hear kind messages. I know it might be. I don't know, some people will be like, you hear it all the time. You're used to it. No, it's like everyone is fresh and new, and I really, really take it to heart, and it's so, so sweet. So thank you for taking the time to. To send that to us, Denise.

[Mike Todrick]

And. And we're super happy that you're getting joy out of this. That's really what we're in. There maybe some couple tips here and there. And obviously, everything we say is from our viewpoint and our perspective. And, you know, we claim to be no experts, but honestly, it's awesome to hear. Thanks, Denise.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes. Thank you so much.

[Mike Todrick]

And you know what? You're welcome. I'm kidding.

[Jen Todrick]

I was like, what?

[Mike Todrick]

Hey, Jen.

[Jen Todrick]

Hey, Mike.

[Mike Todrick]

This is Blake Cersei. I actually am just a little south of you guys in Fulshear, Texas. My wife and I have really enjoyed watching you, Jen, on no demo Renault. And, Mike, you crack us up every time we listen to you guys on the podcast. My question for you is, and I know you talked a little bit about it on the Armor podcast from a week or so ago, but we're curious if you guys are considering or have thought about franchising the coffee Shop here in Fulshear. We are growing and growing and growing out here and a really awesome craft coffee shop would be an amazing opportunity in our area.

[Jen Todrick]

Hello, Blake. Thank you so much for watching show. That was really sweet.

[Mike Todrick]

It's good to hear a guy's voice.

[Jen Todrick]

I know, right?

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

I appreciate you and your wife watching so, so much.

[Mike Todrick]

Thanks for laughing with me because it's definitely not at me.

[Jen Todrick]

Never, never, never at Mike.

[Mike Todrick]

It's never at me.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

Do you want to know? Thanks for the comments on that. It's awesome. Yeah. We plan on franchising, but we're doing things strategically on the coffee shop. We. We're growing at a pace to make sure that when we are ready to do it.

[Jen Todrick]

I feel like this is big news. Like you just announced that we plan to franchise. I don't think we've ever talked about.

[Mike Todrick]

That we plan to publicly.

[Jen Todrick]

I know the.

[Mike Todrick]

But the. The question is not if it's more of matter when.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

And the bigger thing is, is we want to make sure we have enough stores in the DFW area or at least in the north area where we're around that we can model the right locations and have the right, I guess, structure and structure. Yeah. Right. Systems in place that when we expand, it's ready for a franchise partners that they can succeed because that would never, ever, ever want to do something with armor or any human and feel morally sound about it by doing it. That's like a money grab. We want to make sure it's successful and the people that end up partnering with us are as successful as we've been within those shops. But that's the goal. And you know, once we get to three units, we'll. We'll discuss that. So.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

Tbd when the time is maybe sooner than later.

[Jen Todrick]

Man, what a tease, Blake. What a tease. You got to keep following along for all the years. That way you can see whenever this is going to happen, Blake, you got to stick around.

[Mike Todrick]

I'd say sooner than later.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay. There you go. You heard it from Mike himself.

[Mike Todrick]

And thanks for. I mean, even inquiring about it.

[Jen Todrick]

The fact having interest.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. The amount of people that have had interest in it. We've had a lot of people request this and see if we're doing it. And you know, the feedback from the shots minis and we have such an incredible team and a great structure in a great, you know, overall quality product. And more than anything, again, the customer service is incredible and the feedback from the community and you all are. It's amazing. So thank you for even asking that question. We're honored and humbled to have.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes.

[Mike Todrick]

You ask about doing it. It's. It's an incredible feeling and we want to make sure we do things right.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes. And when that happens, it's going to be such an exciting thing to like. I don't know, I feel like it's going to be like bringing part of the community in and that's just a really, really cool thing.

[Mike Todrick]

It's going to happen. Yeah, it's going to.

[Jen Todrick]

Totally.

[Mike Todrick]

So while we're on the topic of Armor Coffee, we launched three new coffees this last week and a whole bunch of merch on the website. Yeah, it went incredibly well. We've had so many people thank you all so much.

[Jen Todrick]

Who ordered. Yes.

[Mike Todrick]

Giving us great reviews. But the co Coffee, I really wanted to particularly talk about that because we've heard a lot of people giving us comment. They wanted a darker roast. They want some different blends on it. So I launched a dark blend or darker blend called Fearless and I think it's amazing. And another blend called Vivid, which is my absolute favorite coffee right now. It's. It has a sweetness to it. It's a lighter coffee. And then our original kairos. So for this podcast, how about we give everyone 15 off their next order?

[Jen Todrick]

Podcasters get a special code. Is that what you're saying?

[Mike Todrick]

I'm saying that 15.

[Jen Todrick]

Really?

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. For their next order. One time order. So let's use code YMM15. You like me, Mike.

[Jen Todrick]

You me, Mike. 15. YMM15.

[Mike Todrick]

Yes. So for the next order, coffee. 15 off.

[Jen Todrick]

So it's coffee. It's only for coffee.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, let's do for coffee.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay.

[Mike Todrick]

Just did one for. For the merch. So we'll do one for coffee. This is the highest promotion that we've done. It's only for the podcasters that have been following us along here. And it's. And if you already subscribe to it, you can go in your settings there and you'll get it off your next. Next subscription order as well. So, okay, 75 is free shipping and all subscriptions also have free shipping as well.

[Jen Todrick]

So what's the website, honey?

[Mike Todrick]

Oh, good question.

[Jen Todrick]

Shop Armor Easy.

[Mike Todrick]

Easier. Go to armor coffee.com right in the middle. There's a button that says online store. Click that. It goes right to the link and there's a little tab on the three hamburger button. Go to the shop tab. And that's where it goes.

[Jen Todrick]

It says coffee. You know what's crazy is when I talked about my Instagram, someone said I've never heard of that thing. A few people said I've never heard of a hamburger button. It's like a menu bar.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, it's. That's what's literally what it's called. It's the three lines that's called the hamburger button. If you press that, it's a drop down menu. If you're on the website, it's real easy to manage. But armor coffee.com right in the middle, click the online store button there. It'll bring you right to our shop. It's a great easy navigating shopify company. You can buy around your phone right through Apple Pay, which I love.

[Jen Todrick]

That's amazing. Okay, so Again, code Y M M15 will take 15% off coffee only for your for a onetime purchase.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, One time purpose. And again, one time purpose. It's, it's. Trust me, just give it a shot. It's. It's awesome.

[Jen Todrick]

Awesome. Hi, Jen and Mike, My name is Hannah. I wanted to send you all a voice memo to say thank you for sharing your life with millions of random people. I first started watching you on no Demo Reno, which you all were hilarious. And I was really excited to listen to a podcast with continued authenticity and realness. And that podcast truly changed my life. After listening to you and Mike talk about how you both have mutual respect for each other, how you divide up household labor, how you're able to fight fairly, and how you guys share joy, it really made me realize that I'm missing a lot of that in my own marriage and also realized that I was probably mentally avoiding acknowledging that. The positive part is that hearing all about that on the podcast has inspired me to start doing work on my own self, reading books, listening to other podcasts, asking for help from my therapist, and since I started having those conversations with my husband and setting boundaries for myself, it really has helped improve our marriage. So thank you for helping me and probably a bunch of other people. And thank you for always being authentic and your genuine selves. I got emotional listening to that one.

[Mike Todrick]

Hannah, that's awesome.

[Jen Todrick]

That's awesome. Well, at first I was like, oh, this is sad. This is not good. Like it sounded negative. And then when she said the positive. Yeah, Hannah, I want to give you so much, so many props because I feel like being able to recognize that you can grow or change something, like having that initiative. I've never been through that, or a divorce or a close call, luckily, but I feel like that's a hard thing for a lot of people. It's easier to Sit in the filth, in the muck and be uncomfortable rather than have really hard, uncomfortable conversations and actually do the work. Wouldn't you?

[Mike Todrick]

Oh, yeah. It's a lot easier to lift up the rug and sweep it under and just say it's going to get better or just let life and routine continue to move on, take over, and before you know it, it's just a, you know, pile of dirt under that rug. You're like. And you lift it up and it's everywhere. And so, I mean, awesome. I mean, it's really cool she worked.

[Jen Todrick]

You know, or like leaving or just.

[Mike Todrick]

Taking up and just being done, too. Yeah. To work, you know, on yourself and then to, you know, probably, you know, kindly bring it to your husband. That's awesome. I mean, yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Amazing. You're like an inspiration, I'm sure, to a lot of people who need to hear that. And you did it a great way by not just going to your husband, from what you've said in your voice memo, and being like, you, you, you, you. Like, you're actively working on yourself, too.

[Mike Todrick]

Which.

[Jen Todrick]

Who as a husband or a spouse. Who could argue with that? As long as you're saying, I don't love the status quo, I'm doing this for me to help and I'm not.

[Mike Todrick]

Giving up on this.

[Jen Todrick]

So. Good.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. Because it's, it's. It's an. An active, intentional thing to not say, I'm done with this marriage. I'm done with you. I'm. I'm sick and tired of the way I feel.

[Jen Todrick]

But it's a. I'm not happy. I deserve to be happy, which everyone deserves to be happy. But sometimes to get to the happiness, it does require some work.

[Mike Todrick]

That's right.

[Jen Todrick]

And so that's amazing. Like, so freaking cool, Hannah.

[Mike Todrick]

And happiness is a choice, as we say. Right. You have to go in with that mindset and the intentionality and, you know. And again. Yeah. Finding joy with each other in the relationship. That's awesome. Thanks for that feedback. That's the comment that's kind of.

[Jen Todrick]

I wish you so much luck, Hannah. I wish that. I hope that everything sorts itself out and you become happy and not just in your status quo. I hope you are rewarded for the efforts that you're putting into it.

[Mike Todrick]

You and your husband and your family. Ye definitely be praying for you guys.

[Jen Todrick]

Amazing. Yes. Hey, guys, it's Blair Gin Sorty sister from Tarleton. Question for you. How do you handle Vivi? I had the perfect first son. No problems at all. Minded was the sweetheart. Never got in Trouble. Now I have a tiny terrorist, as you say, that's Vivi's age, and I just feel like I don't know what to do because she's complete opposite. So how do y' all handle complete opposite children? This is coming from an only child that does not know how to deal with this.

[Mike Todrick]

Love the podcast.

[Jen Todrick]

Love the Instagram. And I'm moving to the Metroplex soon, so hopefully we can get our tiny little terrace together. Blair. Oh, my gosh. Blair is one of my sorority sisters. Totally. Just. That voice takes me back to college. She was so sweet. I think she was two years older than me. Just one of the sweetest. Sweetest.

[Mike Todrick]

Seems calm.

[Jen Todrick]

Very calm. She was calm in college, too.

[Mike Todrick]

Her question isn't a calm question. She's, like, just, like, very calm. She's kind of chill, and I'm not sure how to handle this.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, she was chill.

[Mike Todrick]

Was she one of the purple poops, Blair?

[Jen Todrick]

I don't. I don't know.

[Mike Todrick]

Or can you not even tell people.

[Jen Todrick]

If you're purple poo? Not purple poops. Pearl poo. I don't think she was.

[Mike Todrick]

By the way, Jen's college had a secret society called the Purple Poo. It's a real thing.

[Jen Todrick]

It's a real looking up.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't understand it.

[Jen Todrick]

It is a real thing.

[Mike Todrick]

And they wear, like, garbage bags.

[Jen Todrick]

They were, like, masks because you don't. You don't know who's in it until they unmask when they graduate. It's fun. Okay, so I think this is a great question.

[Mike Todrick]

Sorry.

[Jen Todrick]

I think this is a great question because we have three different children as well. Everyone's personalized different. And I like the question because I go back to Jen before kids or Gin with just Vaughn, and I remember specifically thinking, this is how I'm gonna do things. This is how I'm gonna discipline this. I'm gonna parent. It's gonna be the same for all of them. This is what we do. And then I just got blown out of the water because not the same consequences or discipline or the way you talk to a kid. It doesn't work the same sometimes for different kids who have wildly different personalities.

[Mike Todrick]

Not at all. I mean, there's. There's no. I mean, it's weird because we do think, oh, this kid's easy. They're going to be the same. And. But no two people are the same. No two siblings the same. And I think it is the naivety of. Of early parenting, where you think that. That your children are like, what works with one is the other. But yeah, I mean, we, we deal with that between Vaughn and Berkeley and Vivian, they all respond to discipline very different. Yeah, they do.

[Jen Todrick]

They do.

[Mike Todrick]

It's. And. And what works for Berkeley doesn't work for Yvonne. And, and you know, Vaughn responds different ways. And I think it's just finding out what your kid works with. And you know, Jen and I've talked about in the podcast, well, with the parenting one as well, about consequences and discipline and consistency and the things like that. And I mean, and I guess you have to stay with that with all.

[Jen Todrick]

Kids, but I mean, yeah, no, for sure. I think consistency is key as far as, like, if you say it, you've got to back it up just because it takes away your street cred in the eyes of your kids. However, how you discipline or what the consequences are can look different per kid. I think if you have really headstrong children, then they need more direct. They need a more direct approach. In my opinion. I'm speaking from like my kids, they need more cut dry, no fluff. You did this wrong. You get this like, it is more stern versus a child who maybe rarely gets in trouble, if at all. If they mess up. It's a more of a lighter tone and more explaining like, this is why we don't do this. Or. And maybe they respond differently because they just. They don't respond well to that harsh. Like, it breaks them. You know, Vivian is.

[Mike Todrick]

It can be headstrong at time, but she breaks pretty easy. Yeah, she does.

[Jen Todrick]

She's a mix of Berkeley and she's Vivian.

[Mike Todrick]

What works for her is rewards driven activity.

[Jen Todrick]

She is like a small little puppy dog, but that's very rewards driven.

[Mike Todrick]

That's what drives positive behavior for her as opposed to consequence driven. It's more about rewards driven for her that she then said, okay, you know, she said, okay, I'll do that.

[Jen Todrick]

You know, like, whereas Vaughn is more. He doesn't want stuff taken away, so his is more the fear of, you're gonna take away what I love. Whereas Vivian is only barely four and she doesn't quite get missing. She's like, I don't need that kind of. So she's definitely more driven. Like you said, with treats. So I would say nail down what your wild child responds to and kind of play around with different ways that you discipline. Listen, I am not above bribing. I will bribe all day.

[Mike Todrick]

But bribing isn't in the form of like, you've been bad, stopped acting bad. So here's a treat. It's not that no, no. Bribing is if you finish your meal.

[Jen Todrick]

Or you need to stay in your bed until your light turns green. And that way tomorrow you get to have popcorn with your movie.

[Mike Todrick]

That's a reward for positive behavior. And that's what definitely Driz. Driven towards the positive behavior things. When you remind her of it, she responds to it. But she's also just turned four and.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

The reality is, is, I mean, Berkeley was kind of an anomaly on her. Like, she's just always kind of been this chill.

[Jen Todrick]

She's a parent pleaser.

[Mike Todrick]

Big emotions come out at that age. That's super normal.

[Jen Todrick]

Yep.

[Mike Todrick]

Right. I mean, I think that's. I think more often than not that age, there is a. A massive amount of new emotions that kids are experiencing in the world. Right. So work through it.

[Jen Todrick]

Tell me a year for some kids. Tell me a year that don't have emotions. I don't know if 1. Because 4 is a big emotional year, but I feel like once you get closer to, like pre teen vibes, that we're seeing more emotions because they're feeling things. I don't know. I feel like there's.

[Mike Todrick]

Well, they're questioning a lot of things. They're questioning the world the world is becoming. They're seeing the bigger world.

[Jen Todrick]

Right.

[Mike Todrick]

And that's a whole other.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

Which we still haven't quite gotten to that point yet.

[Jen Todrick]

Exactly. I guess.

[Mike Todrick]

So if you're following this podcast in six years from now, we can talk about it all.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah. I guess my point with that, Blair, is I don't know if there's any information that came from this question, but I think it's experimenting. As far as what your child responds to in a positive way. What do you need to do to get them to act appropriately? Obviously, they're not robots. They won't do it all the time. But we're trying, you know, we're trying for that 90%. Right. We want that. A. And then obviously we take it day by day too. And honestly, it's just like food and picky eaters. My kids will eat chicken wings and they let. Well, that's a bad example. They love chicken wings. Say it'll be like a soup. Mom, this is the best soup I've ever had. But if I make it the next week, it's garbage. They hate it. And so it could be the same way. What works one week might not work three months later and you have to shift.

[Mike Todrick]

And it's.

[Jen Todrick]

It's hard.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. And what do they say? I mean, a lot right now is like some of the hardest things we deal with with kids in the motion, especially strong willed children, it's can become some of the most positive forms of behavior as an adult. Right. If they're, if they're harnessing that will in a positive way and they're, they're strong in their, their belief structures and things like that, they can become, I mean, very confident human beings in it.

[Jen Todrick]

Right.

[Mike Todrick]

You know, it's, you know, you don't want to theoretically break the will, but you got to be able to work around it. And I mean, God's made us all unique for a reason. I mean, he's given us all gifts and made us different for a very specific reason.

[Jen Todrick]

Something that we've said, and I really stick by is we always say, you can have these emotions, you can be mad.

[Mike Todrick]

Oh yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

But you can't treat people like this when you're mad. And so I think it's about identifying what they're feeling, saying you can feel this way. I understand why you feel this way, but you cannot act like this when you feel this way. And so I think it's just also communicating.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. And again, even going back to helping the kid understand what they are feeling, putting words to. And I've talked about in the podcast. Well, it makes a difference. Children, I mean, even adults, when we don't know what we're feeling, we get, I mean, you get anxious, right? You get, makes you like frustrated, like what, what's going on? And helping your child navigate, that does make a difference. Say, hey, right now you're just feeling frustrated. It's okay.

[Jen Todrick]

We have a little, a barely four year old who walks around, she'll be like, oh, I'm just so flustrated. And it's hilarious. But she's right and she identifies it correctly because we tell her, you're frustrated right now, you're mad because it's not going your way. However, you cannot scream at the top of your lungs or you need to go to your room because no one wants to hear that. And you know, we have our moments where we're really like tough and strong. And then we have our moments where Viv's like laying on the ground crying and I'm just trying to make dinner and like I'm walk.

[Mike Todrick]

And we step right over.

[Jen Todrick]

I step right over. You have those moments where like you gotta, yeah, you, you don't realize what they're doing. And that's okay because sometimes you have to get dinner on the table rather than spend 15 minutes doing that. And that's okay, obviously you want to not do that majority of the time. You want to correct the behavior, but you get what I'm saying. Give and take, pick your battles. We've all heard even.

[Mike Todrick]

Look, we have been very lucky for the most part with our children.

[Jen Todrick]

They are, honey, we have very strong willed children. Yes, they're very sweet, but don't make it like all of our kids are a walk in the park.

[Mike Todrick]

No, we're, Look, I, I, look, I, I don't know, I don't know it any other way. So to me this is just who, how our kids are and for, you know, what, what frustrations and, and you know, opinions they may have despite the being children like it's God made them their way. It's awesome. Celebrate for who they are and just help guide them to be better people.

[Jen Todrick]

I hope that helps, Blair. And also I miss you, Blair.

[Mike Todrick]

Okay, me too. Blair. I don't know.

[Jen Todrick]

You don't even know. Hi, Jen and Mike. I just wanted to say thank you for your podcast. They've made chores like dishes and laundry a lot more enjoyable because I am able to listen to your podcasts. My question is, do you think that you guys will encourage the university and college route or do you think that you'll encourage like more entrepreneurial trade school route? This has been a debate in our house the past little while and I just was wondering what your thoughts are.

[Mike Todrick]

All right, that's a good question because Jen and I have had this discussion as well. So you take this, Jen.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes. Thank you so much for sending this in, Stephanie. So this has been a conversation between Mike and I too. I guess I had more of the, like at the very beginning of being a parent and getting married, I had more of like, of course everyone's going to college. What are you talking about? Whereas Michael get into his. But he's more. If you're not going to succeed in college and it's not your route, like find what you want to do and, and now that I sit in it, I guess my advice would be like I still would love my kids to go to college because it's so hard to land a job even with it a degree. But I would say pick a degree that you have to have that degree in. So I guess a trade if that makes sense.

[Mike Todrick]

Well, stem.

[Jen Todrick]

Stem, Science, Technology, Medical. Exactly. Medical. Something. An engineer that you, no one will get the job without that degree. Specific degree that you have.

[Mike Todrick]

Yes.

[Jen Todrick]

That way it narrows down your competition so much. That's, that's where my heart sits. Obviously. Number one, find Something that makes you happy. But number two, I would tell my kids, is there anything in these kind of genres that you like? And this is why.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, I, I mean, I think you and I are more aligned than we used to be because you used to say college, college, college. And I was like, my biggest concern with college right now is that it is so overpriced for the return that you get in the long term of it. Now I am a huge proponent, I am huge proponent of education. I have two, you know, I have a master's degree. I've, you know, undergraduate degree. I've gone to great colleges. I'm very blessed and privileged to be able to have gone to the schools that I went to. But it's. Would I, and could I have become an entrepreneur without it? The answer is yes. I've learned things in business school that I, that made it easier because it's the structure. But I think every child's different and I think you need to look at and, and work with them and encourage them and what's, what's, what their path is. Because sometimes college isn't just the education you get. There is that life growing experience totally in your, in your late teens, early 20s that you start to kind of transition from child, you know, like really kind of childhood to semi adulthood. And that's in a very important phase of independence that kids get and, and doing that is, is great. And otherwise there are some kids that they're going to go to school and just, they struggle with education. Trades are a great option. They're huge. I mean, look at your career field you're in, Jen. The amount of people that skilled labor that's needed right now.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

And the incredible they can be in, you can, you can do really well in the trades.

[Jen Todrick]

I, and I want to emphasize what you said about learning more than just academic academia in college. I mean, I think of living by myself for the first time. How to navigate tough situations and making good life calls rather whenever everyone else is doing a bad life call. Or how do you deal with friendships that are not working and you're around them all the time? How do you mend that friendship? How do you deal with conflict? There's just so much I feel like people gain in those four years of not being supervised by adult, you know, their parents for the first time.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. And again, the, the cost of education, it is looking through what is, what's, why does that child want to go to that school or that young adult or what's the need and what's the return on. And there are some schools out there, some of the, the Ivy leagues and top tens that actually get a really good return on it. They are expensive, but if you're. But there are you, you know, you can start a community colleges and you go two years there, get your under. Get, get the, the prereqs knocked out.

[Jen Todrick]

I didn't, I didn't. As a kid, I didn't agree with that. I don't want to go to community college.

[Mike Todrick]

Right.

[Jen Todrick]

I wanted to go to four university but now that I'm a parent, I understand that angle and I'm sure our kids won't understand it either and I'm gonna have to explain it to them. But I'm sure, I'm sure I'll be doing the same thing that my parents did, which is trying to tell me to get all my basics done at a community college.

[Mike Todrick]

And, and just to reemphasize my opinion of college is definitely. Which ends as well. If you're gonna go do something that you have to go to college for a degree because it doesn't mean that those, those people or those, you know, adults are gonna have to do that job. You can be. Get a nursing degree and, and then become a teacher or become a salesperson. And I'm an engineer by undergraduate. I went into sales and now I'm in entrepreneurial world. It's so it's it. You're not, you're not completely, I guess compartmentalized in what you degree to do, but if you get it, you know, and again, no. Shame on people that have liberal arts degrees. It's just harder to get a.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes.

[Mike Todrick]

You'd have to go back to get a nursing degree.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah. Shoot. Even my degree of fashion merchandising, does it come into play for what I do now? Absolute freaking. It's all about spatial arrangement. There's so many things interior design classes that I took, of course, but it's, you know, whenever I was working more on the retail side of things before I had kids, people above me didn't have degrees in what I did at all. And so I was fighting against a much more competitive pool of people gunning for the same job.

[Mike Todrick]

Right.

[Jen Todrick]

So that's kind of why I have my stance on like find a specific trade that you need this degree for. I also think it's very number one is listen to your kids. They don't always know what they want to do. I wanted to be every profession under the sun as I was a child. So I'm, you know, use. I don't know, Listen wisely and make your choices apparent wisely. However, I think the worst thing to do is to force a child into a career path that you think is going to make a ton of money. Because that's what we as adults think is successful. And now that we've lived life, we know being financially comfortable, it is, it makes life easier. You know, as long as it's not an excess of money, it makes life easier, typically. And so we want to the best for our kids and it comes out of love. But gosh, resentment can follow and kids can have really unhealthy relationships with you and you can just be unhappy in life that can lead to other things.

[Mike Todrick]

Especially if they're trying to displease you. And I can tell you at West Point, the people who quit really early were the ones that went there because they were forcing them or they were expected to do it or that was familial. And they were literally the first to be like, it is not worth it. I'm out. So yeah, listen to your kids. And same thing, encourage. Because education should be a joy. And I know it sounds like such a. But it really should be. It should be something that they're gaining lessons and growing in life and in loving knowledge.

[Jen Todrick]

It's right.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Good question.

[Mike Todrick]

Great question.

[Jen Todrick]

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[Mike Todrick]

I can't put it to one exact moment because I much like you. It's the. It's the moments during the day and the achievements of the kids and. And, you know, again, your accomplishments to you. I find joy in that. Like yesterday, all of us sitting on the couch watching a Christmas movie.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

All together. And the kids.

[Jen Todrick]

Totally.

[Mike Todrick]

Everyone's holding, you know, like the worst.

[Jen Todrick]

Movie we ever watched. Guys. Home alone 4. Don't do it.

[Mike Todrick]

Really, really bad.

[Jen Todrick]

Mike and I would look over at each other, what, probably 15 times throughout that movie. Miserable. We were literally just there for the kids and eating popcorn with them.

[Mike Todrick]

But. But those are the moments. And, yeah, Vaughn and Berkeley playing, randomly playing and creating this whole, like, adventure game with dice that they just made up. And, you know, Vaughn, you know, getting a hit in baseball and Berkeley winning, you know, winning in soccer games. It's like every moment you. When you were on the red carpet that, I mean, the joy I felt for you. And I mean, I can tell you it's. It isn't related to armor. It's not related to graduate, you know, graduations with degrees, not awards. To me, it's the moments of the family. And I think it's just. It's trying to live in that moment of intentionality and seeing it where you feel it and you step back and you look at your children. You're looking.

[Jen Todrick]

You.

[Mike Todrick]

You know, you said you didn't have children, but you. Even in your life, you can step back and look and say, wow, this is pretty awesome. And it's. And that's intentionality.

[Jen Todrick]

It's the moments where I'm the most relaxed because that's when I have those moments. I have. My mind is calm enough to be like, this is good. And those big moments of television or being in front of, you know, interviewing celebrities, I'm stressed in that moment like that, you know, and I usually don't get stressed, but, like, I'm in the zone. I'm working, right. And so that's not where I'm like, this is my joy. I'm grateful. I know that I have once in a lifetime opportunities, and I'm so blessed and grateful that I get to experience doing what I love. But dang, like, when I'm on a couch in no bra, pajamas, fuzzy socks, the kids are playing.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

That's when I'm at ease. That's like, when I'm the happiest. I'm also a very big homebody.

[Mike Todrick]

Do you know what brings me joy?

[Jen Todrick]

What?

[Mike Todrick]

Your laugh.

[Jen Todrick]

I have the worst laugh.

[Mike Todrick]

I know, but you're lying.

[Jen Todrick]

I'm Berkeley's laugh is Vaughn's laugh.

[Mike Todrick]

Legitimately. Even when we were playing Domino's the other day and I was goofing around with the wine, and I see you genuinely laugh and, like, I can act.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, your mom.

[Mike Todrick]

Yes.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, you were making me laugh big time.

[Mike Todrick]

But those. Those things of. Of. I don't know, seeing you laugh and seeing you happy brings me joy as well.

[Jen Todrick]

And I think it's because it makes you feel funny.

[Mike Todrick]

It's not.

[Jen Todrick]

You're like, I'm so funny.

[Mike Todrick]

It's not about me.

[Jen Todrick]

I'm just kidding.

[Mike Todrick]

It's always about me.

[Jen Todrick]

No, no.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't know.

[Jen Todrick]

You're right. Like, Domino's brings me immense joy. I love playing dominoes.

[Mike Todrick]

To nail it down to one exact moment is hard, I can say.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, I think it's calm family. Calm family times is what gives me the most joy.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

I guess that's a way for me to put it into words. Calm family. You in my house.

[Mike Todrick]

I think it's whenever you feel love and you feel connection, that's always the point where the joy comes through. And it's.

[Jen Todrick]

I think a lot of people would relate to that. I do. I feel like. Yeah, I feel like that's. I don't know. Maybe I said the most generic answer.

[Mike Todrick]

Because the truth is, even through chaos, though, out. You know, when. When the storm calms, and it always does. It always will. Like, that's the thing is when we're. When we're going through hard, tumultuous times in the moment, you can't see past it. But when it's through and you look back and you reflect in the growth that's created, there's a lot of things that can be happened. You can always find joy going afterwards, at least.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mike Todrick]

Yay.

[Jen Todrick]

Wow. That was a hard question, but I.

[Mike Todrick]

Liked it, so we answered that by not answering it.

[Jen Todrick]

I think we answered it. We just had to take four minutes to get there, but we did it.

[Mike Todrick]

There you go.

[Jen Todrick]

What is the top trait that you both carry that you hope to instill in your children? Love you guys.

[Mike Todrick]

You want to start, Jinx?

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, you start. It's a good one.

[Mike Todrick]

It is a good one. I think there's two things I would say. I can just do one.

[Jen Todrick]

Wait. First, I want to say, hi, Shannon. I didn't even say, hi, Shannon.

[Mike Todrick]

We're gonna Analogy and thanks for the question. Where to go.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, I'm like. I get in the zone. Like, answers questions. Hi, Shannon. Thank you so much for submitting this.

[Mike Todrick]

Hi, Shannon. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make. Let's double down. Hi, Shannon.

[Jen Todrick]

Hi, Shannon. Hi, Shannon.

[Mike Todrick]

I think the.

[Jen Todrick]

Hi, Shannon.

[Mike Todrick]

The number one Shannon. It's too much.

[Jen Todrick]

Go ahead.

[Mike Todrick]

I want my children have a great sense of humor. And I'm not saying I have a great.

[Jen Todrick]

Are you saying you.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, I want them to have a better sense. I want. But it's not just them. Because sense of humor isn't just being funny, but it's also like laughing and being joy. Laugh at yourself and. And it's not self deprecation, but it's just seeing that there can be happiness in all moments of life. And I don't know if I would say I'm probably more positive. I can get stressed and be attuned as well. But for the most part, I try to. To just be as joyful as I can through it. And. Yeah, and the other one would be is I do hope our kids continue to learn and continue to push themselves despite whatever successes.

[Jen Todrick]

You said one trait.

[Mike Todrick]

I know, like top trait, but do you think singular? But if there's two things, would you say, do I keep trying to better or just better, like learn and grow and do new things? I mean, that's not always a good thing.

[Jen Todrick]

No, you do. You're constantly like taking on more a whole nother topic. That's a whole nother topic.

[Mike Todrick]

Continue to learn.

[Jen Todrick]

You like to learn.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

You like to learn. I grew up with a best friend in high school and she got, I think 3 degrees and is a stay at home mom now. But she loved to learn. Like loved fueling in her brain. Top trait that I have, that I hope my kids have. I mean, my brain instantly goes to confidence.

[Mike Todrick]

Oh yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

I feel like that's something that I do. I'm grateful for that. I don't. I think it's a little bit of both. I think it's like genetic. And I also think it's like the environment I was raised in contributed huge to it. And the reason I say that it's in me too is like, you have kids that are in very loving families. Very. And they are encouraged and they still suffer from things. Right. And so that's why I say that. But I think confidence is a superpower. I think not getting your feelings hurt a lot is it makes life easier. And I do. I am grateful for that because I don't spend a lot of time. I don't like spending a lot of time in feelings like that. And it makes. Keeps me happy. And I like that.

[Mike Todrick]

Do you. Do you think that's learned or do you think that is. Is intuitively as you said that so much and I'm curious.

[Jen Todrick]

I think both. I think I have that in me because I know it's easier said than done. I know a lot of people, women and men, that they can't. They can't, I hate to say, fake it till they make it because I want that true confidence in them. I don't want them to have to fake it. I think it's also learned. And I say that because if I Start to think about something that I don't like, and that brings me down, and it kind of makes my mood bad. I instantly say, nope. And I pivot and I think of something else, and it's done. I'm done. I'm not in my feelings anymore. And I know a lot of people, if there's therapists out there, are going to say that's unhealthy, but I really would. Would go against that, because it's not like I'm burying it down. It's. I truly move on and I don't give it the time of my day. And that's something my dad would always say when I was younger, he would say, can you control it? And I'd say, well, no, it's my friend. I can't control. Or whatever in school, it was happening. And he'd say, then don't think about it. You can't control it. You can only troll, you. Why are you giving it the time of day? And I would say, you know, I would learn. I'd be like, well, because I can't stop thinking about it as a kid. And I really do feel like you can train your brain to say, shut the heck up. And then I shut the heck up, and I move on and I focus on something else.

[Mike Todrick]

It's probably a little bit of both, right?

[Jen Todrick]

I really feel like it's a superpower, and if we can teach our kids that, we're just gonna get. We're gonna make them so empowered to guard their hearts and to love themselves more.

[Mike Todrick]

So one thing I used to ask my sales team all the time, what is the difference between confidence and arrogance?

[Jen Todrick]

I feel like confidence is genuinely loving and knowing what your value is and. And believing that.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Where arrogance is trying to prove it to people and tell people because you don't actually believe it.

[Mike Todrick]

I agree. Because I think it comes down to the word humility and knowing that somebody's always going to be better and if.

[Jen Todrick]

Someone will always be better.

[Mike Todrick]

And if you have confidence and if you mess up, acknowledge it and sometimes laugh at yourself like that was a boneheaded thing to do or admit to the mistakes you've made and things. Because that humility is just knowing that we do not have things figured out. Weird. Not better than anyone else in this world. And we are literally, even on this podcast, pontificating things that we are still going through ourselves. Right? So.

[Jen Todrick]

Yep.

[Mike Todrick]

I think that's awesome. But I would say more than, I'm glad you said that one. Because if I would have said one thing to you, I'd have been like, your confidence, because it's. It's genuine and it is humble and it is really, really, really awesome because you aren't you.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, I have. Don't get me wrong, I don't. I have times where, like, I'm like, oh, man, that stinks. Or I wish I was at a strength in that, but I just move. I don't sit in that, and I don't like sitting in feelings. And that's just my personality. I have a lot to offer to the world, and so I move on and I do something to take my mind off of it or I don't give it. I literally will tell myself to shut up in my brain and basically make fun of myself in my head. And then I move on.

[Mike Todrick]

And.

[Jen Todrick]

And again, it sounds unhealthy, but I'm telling you, it say, it brings me. It gives me. It lets me feel joy more often because I'm not sitting in, like, what I feel bad. I could easily tell you what I suck at and what I'm not good at, but, like, stop, move on.

[Mike Todrick]

That's right. That's awesome. I love it.

[Jen Todrick]

Good question, Shannon.

[Mike Todrick]

Thanks, Shannon.

[Jen Todrick]

Hey, guys. I am an avid listener of your podcast and also follow you guys on Instagram and just wanted to thank you for your amazing podcast. The stories that you share, the laughter, the tidbits, your journey of faith. I just love it all. I usually take a walk when I'm listening to a podcast and I find myself laughing as I'm walking and just really enjoying the time. I just wanted to thank you for your authenticity and standing up for what you believe, and all of your content is just. Just super amazing, family friendly, and I just really, really appreciate it. And I think you guys are amazing. Our whole family loves watching you and keeping up with all of your crazy life stories and fun things that you do. So thank you for all you do and just wanted to let you guys know that Happy holidays and Merry Christmas.

[Mike Todrick]

Thanks, Cassie.

[Jen Todrick]

First off, Cassie, I feel like you should read audiobooks for a living. She has a wonderfully calm voice.

[Mike Todrick]

It is. It is so soothing. Remarkably more smoothing than smoothing. Smoothing than what is what. How would you describe our voices?

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, mine's harsh. I feel like.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't know.

[Jen Todrick]

Yours is a good voice.

[Mike Todrick]

Thank you. Thank you very much.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay.

[Mike Todrick]

I think Cassie's is still better.

[Jen Todrick]

Cassie's way better, but that was awesome.

[Mike Todrick]

Happy holidays to you as well, Cassie.

[Jen Todrick]

Merry Christmas.

[Mike Todrick]

That is sweet. That is really sweet. And. And we're glad and and humbled and proud to be doing this if you all are getting something out of it. And one thing Jen and I will always do is the only people we can be is us. So, yeah, like, I don't know what else. We don't want to pretend to be anyone else other than who we are.

[Jen Todrick]

And I know we always say, like, this is our perspective, but, like, I want to hit home every single time that a lot of you guys might not agree with what we're saying. And that's okay. You're just listening and you don't have to. And that would be really boring if the whole world thought the exact same way. Right. So we believe in what we believe. We'll talk about it. Hopefully it doesn't tick you off. You know, that's the main goal. And if to.

[Mike Todrick]

And if it does, you don't have to listen. You don't have to listen. You don't. It's. This is okay.

[Jen Todrick]

But thank you, Cassie, very, very sweet.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm glad that your family listens along as well. That is cool. Because we, Jen and me, we're both. You know, sometimes I call myself a PG13, Christian. I sometimes have a choice.

[Jen Todrick]

You are more than me, but for sure.

[Mike Todrick]

But this, like, everything she puts out, we want it. We don't want her kids listening these things someday being like, oh, wow, you know, like, yuck.

[Jen Todrick]

So, yeah, no, my thing is.

[Mike Todrick]

But it's not always kid. It's not always, like, direct. This isn't a children's podcast.

[Jen Todrick]

No. And I'll warn on Instagram if, like, there's something. But there's really not anything I share over there that's not, you know, kid friendly. And the reason behind that is I've been a stay at home mom and I know what it's like to multitask and be changing a diaper, but want to be listening to someone. And so I never want you to feel like you can't. My voice can't be in your house because kids are listening. So that's the thing.

[Mike Todrick]

But yeah, you're. You don't swear ever.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, that's a lie. I do sometimes. Like, especially if it's like a good. Like a. More of a joke.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Like the H word, you know, it's a place, I guess. Right. So I tell Berkeley. Yeah. I mean, I'm not perfect, but there's just. I don't think the. The place to do that is like on the Internet. Like, what are you trying to prove? So anyways, thank you so much, Cassie.

[Mike Todrick]

Love it. Well, I recognize that Vaughn and Berkeley.

[Jen Todrick]

And Vivian are young. I'm still not looking at colleges today. It's coming. It's coming, right? Because the days are long and the years are short.

[Mike Todrick]

What does that look like with your businesses? Are you doing this for the kids, right?

[Jen Todrick]

For their future? Do you think that it's something they may want to take over one day.

[Mike Todrick]

Or is this going to be something you sell off and then you guys.

[Jen Todrick]

Travel the world when they're gone to college? So it'll be interesting to hear what you all plan to do with all of your adventures once the kids are grown and gone to college. Mary Kay, thank you so much for that question. That's a good one. That's another deep one. You go first.

[Mike Todrick]

You want me. You want me to go on this one?

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

I mean, college for, I guess. Vivian, what is it, 13, 14 years from now? Right?

[Jen Todrick]

Only 14, right?

[Mike Todrick]

It's 14 years. It's harder, though, as Vaughn's only eight years from now.

[Jen Todrick]

Stop.

[Mike Todrick]

Not even eight.

[Jen Todrick]

Shut up.

[Mike Todrick]

Right? It's crazy that. Crazy that in myself is like, wait a second, What? We've been married longer than that, and he's gonna be in college anyway. Now I'm gonna cry. So I would say with Armor. Armor's not. We didn't start Armor or any of these businesses. Just the intent of, like, this is for our children. We're only doing this for our children. Some of this is.

[Jen Todrick]

Nor is it to sell it off instantly, like, make a quick buck. That's not it.

[Mike Todrick]

But I want. When I. When I went through the entrepreneurial journey, and I kind of referenced this in a lot of podcasts, I did want to build and grow something that I could teach and have opportunities for my family to learn and grow and show something. The kids that I've done. And there's a little bit more to that. But if it's something that we're still doing and we're in it, I, you know, I would say 13 years from now, I hope it's not as the grind that we're doing the day to day, the amount of hours we're putting now, I do hope it's a little bit less. And how that looks, you know, is kind of in God's plan. And we're taking things literally day by day, year by year, and as we progress, I would, you know, if there was something that the business was distracting from needs of our family, would I consider selling the business? It was in the best interest of our family. Of course it would.

[Jen Todrick]

Right.

[Mike Todrick]

Do I Have any intention of selling it? No. Do I would If Vaughn want or Berkeley or Vivian says, hey, dad, I really would want to work in the shop and learn things and grow through the business, would I give them that opportunity? Heck yeah. I think that's a cool thing. But, you know, I don't know. I mean, the answer to that is, is who knows? And you know, I don't think we overthink things. And we talk about that a lot of times in, in, in how we plan. Like we plan. We have day to days that we plan for, we have long term goals. But as far as for where things are headed, if there's a definitive mindset like, I'm going to sell this when it becomes this much money and I'm done.

[Jen Todrick]

I was about to say if someone, that I was about to say, if someone came knocking on our door and offered us an insane offer for the coffee shop, would we totally entertain it and then maybe take that money and start something else?

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, maybe.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, we're.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes, you would. Are you kidding? You're so like wanting to do.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. If it was something egregious, for sure. I mean, you're like, okay, well, that's what I mean.

[Jen Todrick]

If it was like mind blowing, like not even worth that much and they were like, we just want it, like, yeah. You can't sit here and say we wouldn't, we would.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't think, I don't think any business, I think any business owner doesn't say that is lying. Yeah, like, I will never sell. I mean, there's, you know, Firestone Walker is a brewery.

[Jen Todrick]

That just wasn't our intention. That's not our intention.

[Mike Todrick]

There's a brewery owner that had many, many years. It said, I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever sell a room. Og we've done it. Guess what they did this year? Sold.

[Jen Todrick]

That's what I mean. I don't want to be that person. Because you don't know.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, exactly. And it's just, you know, but again, growing and teaching kids hard work and effort and, you know, the, the things that they see us doing and modeling those behaviors, I want them to be able to take good strategic risks.

[Jen Todrick]

Shoot, Mike does that. Even outside of the coffee shop. These four kids, when they have a lemonade stand or a snack stand, Mike makes them buy the snacks with their own money. Or if they don't have money, they have to give them a loan. They might give them a loan with slight interest and they learned about what interest means and then they have to pay him Back from the money they made. It's just a very intense like snack. But Berkeley is seven and she knows how all that works. She knows what interest is, an inventory. And inventory. Yeah, like overhead costs. They know what all that is because Mike incorporates that and like, like the simplest. And they really love it. They think it's very fun. Vaughn, funny story. Vaughn even printed a Venmo. Remember that? The QR code for Venmo. So when people would be like, I'm so sorry we didn't have cash. Vaughn's that kid that's like, it's okay. We have a Venmo here. You can scan this. And like how do you argue that? Like it's so, it's so uncomfortable at first, but every neighbor laughs and they're like, I respect this kid. And they end up buying.

[Mike Todrick]

So we've done it maybe three times in the last year. And I'm proud of the kids. The lat. Two out of the three times, one of them, they kept all the money, which completely fine. The other two times they donated the money. Oh, remember that? Both times.

[Jen Todrick]

Or research. So our brother in law. That's right.

[Mike Todrick]

And it, and it was. And it's. That's kind of cool for them to be able to, to have the opportunity to give as well. And I know this is a little sidetracked from that question, which is a great question. But yeah, I mean, you know, again, as far as for what's going to happen when the kids go to college and tour business is going to sell it and travel the world. Look, it doesn't mean that we can't still own the business and travel the world if the business is doing well enough as well. And we'll see what works where God takes us. But the thing more than anything is we want to build something that's sustainable, that has good connection to the community, that has good values and good morals and good opportunity for people to have a place to work. Right. I feel what we want to have a lot. That's, that's what we want to build.

[Jen Todrick]

I feel like traveling the world with a four year old sounds horrible.

[Mike Todrick]

That's.

[Jen Todrick]

I just mean like right now if someone offered us to sell, I'd be like, no, don't maybe travel the world with a four year old. It sounds horrible. Horrible.

[Mike Todrick]

Some people do it. There's like, there's like bloggers out there that do that.

[Jen Todrick]

I know, but I think behind the scenes is it, is it as flawless as they're leading on? No, there's no way it's It's a struggle bus, I think, with a lot of kids.

[Mike Todrick]

That's a good question, though. It's.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

And again, I don't know. I mean, again, what are we saying? We don't know exactly where God's going to put us.

[Jen Todrick]

Exactly. Good job.

[Mike Todrick]

Do the best we can.

[Jen Todrick]

Good question. Good job. Good. Good question, Mary Kay.

[Mike Todrick]

And franchise it, right?

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah. Hey, Todricks. My name is Whitney and I am a huge fan all the way from Nova Scotia, Canada. I just wanted to say thank you for all the entertainment. I have been following along on Instagram for years, and you are the one account that I always, no matter what, make sure that I go and watch every single day. Never fails. I make sure to check in on your stories and of course, I love the TV show and now the podcast. And I just think that you guys are awesome and hilarious and you give us a glimpse into your life, and it's. It's just very entertaining and I love watching you guys all the time. So that sounds really creepy, actually, when you say it out loud, but you know what I mean. My question for you is, what is something that you are really excited for in your future, Whether that's the near future or far from now, as a couple, individually, as a family. Whatever you think. Bye.

[Mike Todrick]

Whitney from Canada. We got international.

[Jen Todrick]

Hi, Canada.

[Mike Todrick]

I was gonna say caller. It's not a caller. International. Voice memoir.

[Jen Todrick]

Voice memoir. Yeah.

[Mike Todrick]

That was nice.

[Jen Todrick]

That was a super, super sweet comment. Thank you so much for following on Instagram for so long. I don't know how every time someone says they've been following for years and, like, they watch every day, I just am grateful for that because I. I don't know, in my head, I'm like. I feel like people get sick at some point. They're like, they gotta get sick of me, right? Where they, like, go through phases where they don't want to listen anymore or watch, I don't know. So it, like, is a huge compliment and it makes me feel really, really good just as a person.

[Mike Todrick]

Let's not. Let's be honest. I'm not here for you anymore. They're. They want to see a little glimpse of me.

[Jen Todrick]

It's true. I know, I know. It's very true.

[Mike Todrick]

Your IG is. Your IG is built off me.

[Jen Todrick]

It's really on it. Question was, what are we excited for? For the future. This is another, like, deep one that.

[Mike Todrick]

I actually start with this because I started with the last one. Oh, you gotta start with this one.

[Jen Todrick]

You go, it's so funny. Because people ask me questions about the future all the time. And the best, like, description of, like, what I feel like when I see the future is I see this road, this black road that goes into fog. It's like, I don't know what the future is and I don't want to know. I am one of those people that's. I like to kind of fly by the seat of my pants and let opportunities come as they may, rather than, like, chasing it. Sounds really bad. Sounds like I'm not like, like motivated. I don't know. I just. I'm very. I'm very motivated, but I don't. I like goals. I like attainable goals. I don't like to say my dream is. Because a dream sounds fluffy to me.

[Mike Todrick]

But it's not fluffy.

[Jen Todrick]

But if in my brain it does.

[Mike Todrick]

Okay, well, there you go. Acknowledge.

[Jen Todrick]

Do you see what I'm saying?

[Mike Todrick]

Hear you when you say so?

[Jen Todrick]

Like, yes. When you say, like, my dream is. It's like it makes it seem like it can't happen to me. Whereas if I say my goal is, it like, takes the serious.

[Mike Todrick]

Solidifies it.

[Jen Todrick]

It solidifies that I'm gonna do it.

[Mike Todrick]

Because you're taking steps toward. In action towards that.

[Jen Todrick]

Exactly. Yeah. Whereas a dream is like, you dream about it like, oh, wouldn't that be nice? Like, it's something you. Out of reach. I don't know where that came from, but I guess I have goal. I don't even know what my goals are right now. I. My goal was for the show to do three seasons, and I'm about to start filming my third.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

The future is. I really pray every single day and hope that I have happy kids as adults. That's like something I will lose sleep over. Like, are my kids gonna be happy?

[Mike Todrick]

Right. It's not just about happiness. I mean, happy. You want your children to be happy, but they need to grow and learn and experience things and not every moment like you want them to grow, to be functional, well rounded, capable, coping human beings.

[Jen Todrick]

I just want them to be in happy marriages. Yeah. I want them to have jobs they love, stable.

[Mike Todrick]

And again, I want. I want to have children that can. That can navigate problems.

[Jen Todrick]

A boat. I want a kid that can have a boat and we can just come on it every once in a while. And I have to wash it all.

[Mike Todrick]

The time because I think if you. My only counter to that is if you just want only happiness. Only happiness. Kids need to learn skill sets to be able to cope with.

[Jen Todrick]

I mean, duh, the worst thing ever is when people believe shelter. Do what feels good. Good. Or like, only what makes you happy. You can't do that. That's not you. Goes everything against. We believe.

[Mike Todrick]

Trust me. There's. There's a lot of people in this world and country that actually believe. Just do. Do whatever you need to do. Whatever. Whatever is going to bring you happiness.

[Jen Todrick]

But it's unhealthy. And that just will lead to sadness in a lot of ways, I think. But anyways, it's a choice.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. So. So you're.

[Jen Todrick]

No. My answer. My answer sucked. I don't know. I think I'm ex. Everything revolves around my kids.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

When I think about, like, what I want to know or what I'm excited about for the future, it's all the kids stuff. It's like, I'm excited to see them as adults, but also I hate that they're growing.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

And getting older.

[Mike Todrick]

Look, I. I think a specific timeline and saying within this year's. I'm happy with that. I'll be happy or I'll be excited with if this happens within five years. Look, we've had so many.

[Jen Todrick]

You do that more than I do, though.

[Mike Todrick]

Well, I say we've had so many delays on the brewery. I'm going to be excited when the doors open.

[Jen Todrick]

Funny.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah.

[Jen Todrick]

Story.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm gonna be super excited.

[Jen Todrick]

Funny story. Mike always writes himself or the family, like, a note. And then he. When we're packing up the Christmas tree for the next year, when we open the Christmas tree box, and they're always epic because there's always one nugget that's hysterical. Like, for the year 2020, he put 20 or 2019. So we were opening at 2020.

[Mike Todrick]

We packed the ornaments up in the year. Right. So 2020. I wrote that in January 2020.

[Jen Todrick]

So Mike was like, 2020 is going to be the best year ever. It's going to be epic. And it was like, oh, that didn't age well. It was hilarious. And this year we opened it up and read it and it was like, by this point, the brewery is up.

[Mike Todrick]

And running, and it's like, hopefully.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, that was painful. It's just always a nugget of something so funny that he writes.

[Mike Todrick]

I think. I think if we have. If you get too linear in your pathway to what your goals are, you can get distracted, discouraged, unhappy, frustrated. And that's the whole thing with entrepreneurship. Timelines are always going to be different than what you expect. But to me, it's similar to you. Like, what am I excited about? Yeah. I'm Excited about the brewery open. I'm excited about expanding Armor Coffee. I'm excited about seeing your season three come out. I'm excited about what the future is going to bring, your career. I'm super excited to see where God brings our children in life. Like, what, are they going to college? They go to the trades. They've been entrepreneurs. Like, what. What's God going to do with them? And then, yeah, I mean, you know, then eventually, like, we'll have a whole nother phase of life when we're, you know, knock on wood, grandparents and things like that. That's going to be. It's.

[Jen Todrick]

Right.

[Mike Todrick]

I don't know. But, like, there's, man, this.

[Jen Todrick]

We blew it on this question. It's boring.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, but I. But I think it's. I think I. I look at this as celebrate and be excited for small things. And if you celebrate small victories and celebrate small accomplishments, you can have more. You can be excited about a lot.

[Jen Todrick]

Of things in life, have a lot more joy. Yeah, totally. Well, I hope that answered that question. I feel like we did.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm excited to know what soup we're gonna eat tonight.

[Jen Todrick]

Okay.

[Mike Todrick]

Because you're on soup making, like, like, like binge. It's been awesome.

[Jen Todrick]

I'm a soup queen.

[Mike Todrick]

You are so good at it. You literally. This, this podcast could be sponsored by your soup channel.

[Jen Todrick]

Soups and like, orzo pastas, I love in the fall. Okay. Anyways, thank you, Whitney.

[Mike Todrick]

Thanks, Whitney. Would you guys do a brief recap of the past 10 or so years of your time together? Like, no. Demo Renault and Armor Copy Coffee and all the kids and just, Just everything that's kind of been really impactful for you. Just for kind of a quick recap.

[Jen Todrick]

Hello? Luke.

[Mike Todrick]

Luke, Luke, Luke.

[Jen Todrick]

Man, that's kind of hard.

[Mike Todrick]

It's a really easy question.

[Jen Todrick]

No, not really. Ten years. Okay.

[Mike Todrick]

It's.

[Jen Todrick]

It's called, I don't know, my whole Instagram. So I thought. I thought this would be a lot in 10 years. I thought this would be really fun. I'm gonna to set a timer for one and a half minutes.

[Mike Todrick]

Ooh, 1:31 and a half.

[Jen Todrick]

And we have to ping back and forth between life events as fast as we can to see how much we can get in 1 minute and 30 seconds.

[Mike Todrick]

So I don't think we should do 10 years because that wouldn't make sense. Let's do it.

[Jen Todrick]

Probably from since we met.

[Mike Todrick]

2010.

[Jen Todrick]

Sum it up. Ready? So our entire, but only big life events, not small details. Like.

[Mike Todrick]

What?

[Jen Todrick]

I don't know. Just keep it humans. Humans only. Not moving or anything. Just keep it real brief.

[Mike Todrick]

All right.

[Jen Todrick]

Hi.

[Mike Todrick]

Overview for Luke. So he can skip the entire podcast that he's listening to? He can just listen to this point?

[Jen Todrick]

Yes. Here we go.

[Mike Todrick]

Thanks.

[Jen Todrick]

I actually think it's kind of fun. All right, ready? 1 minute and 30 seconds on the clock. I guess you want me to start. I'll start.

[Mike Todrick]

All right, let's go.

[Jen Todrick]

Ready? Go. I meet 2010. I meet Mike in a store called Zara.

[Mike Todrick]

I asked her to lunch because she's beautiful, but she also thought I was super handsome. Followed me on the store.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, my gosh. I did not follow him on the store. He asked me to lunch. We had mall lunch at Miko Cina.

[Mike Todrick]

I told the guy we were cousins. Married cousins, and.

[Jen Todrick]

That's right. And I realized he was so weird, and I liked him.

[Mike Todrick]

You broke up with me a couple weeks later because I was too nice.

[Jen Todrick]

That. And then I realized that I was being dumb. And I've only dated butthead, so I need to give him a chance to come back.

[Mike Todrick]

We got married one year later to the date in Cancun, and the pastor's tooth fell out. Well, he said Jennifer.

[Jen Todrick]

That's right. Six months later, I get pregnant. Unfortunately, we miss Carrie.

[Mike Todrick]

Three or four months after that, you get pregnant with Vaughn. We're super happy.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes. And then Berkeley's born a year and a half later on a trip in Cancun. A work trip.

[Mike Todrick]

She wasn't born.

[Jen Todrick]

No, she was made on it. Okay, so she was made on a trip. Okay, good. Business trip.

[Mike Todrick]

I get into business school.

[Jen Todrick]

I start blogging out of boredom.

[Mike Todrick]

I.

[Jen Todrick]

30 seconds.

[Mike Todrick]

Where are we? We have Viv. You get pregnant with Vivian.

[Jen Todrick]

Yay. I have Vivian. Also, I start shooting a TV show.

[Mike Todrick]

Covet hits. I leave my job.

[Jen Todrick]

Covid hits.

[Mike Todrick]

Starting entrepreneurial. Yeah. Start Armor Coffee.

[Jen Todrick]

We freak out because I'm filming. And now Mike is trying to homeschool all the children as I'm filming a show.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. We buy the brewery.

[Jen Todrick]

10 seconds.

[Mike Todrick]

Go. I just said we bought the brewery.

[Jen Todrick]

We lock in our second location for.

[Mike Todrick]

Coffee Shop season two.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, season two.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah. Second location, coffee shop.

[Jen Todrick]

Now, third season coffee.

[Mike Todrick]

We do a podcast. Here we are. We start a podcast.

[Jen Todrick]

That's us in a nutshell.

[Mike Todrick]

Oh, my gosh.

[Jen Todrick]

There's like. That was so.

[Mike Todrick]

Like, we missed a lot.

[Jen Todrick]

We missed a ton. But that's okay. At least we have. That was kind of fun.

[Mike Todrick]

If we could summarize our entire 12 years together in a minute and 30 seconds, that would be Incredibly.

[Jen Todrick]

I think we've had a crazy life.

[Mike Todrick]

We have.

[Jen Todrick]

I do. I feel like there's just. It's constantly crazy, Mike. It's wild. It is wild. Like, I remember even. Just, like, the TV show. I remember always being like, how do people get TV shows? How does it even happen? I remember being that person, and now I'm like, they literally emailed me. It's nuts. That's how it happens.

[Mike Todrick]

I, I spit. I remember sitting and watching the Voice with you back in our first house in, in McKinney. And I remember, like, you could be on the show, and I didn't even know how good of a singer you were. You're good. You're like, what do you mean? I'm like, I think you would crush it. It's like, I know you can do this.

[Jen Todrick]

I wouldn't crush it.

[Mike Todrick]

Remember me saying that I have a.

[Jen Todrick]

I have a good voice.

[Mike Todrick]

And then. But you tried up American Idol, so.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, I didn. Got stuck in the freaking winners of all of the town's radio talent scouts. I know.

[Mike Todrick]

It's because you came from.

[Jen Todrick]

I was in round one.

[Mike Todrick]

You came from Kelly Clarkson's town, and they were just like, they were like, there's too many girls and girls already. So, yeah, let's move on from her. Yeah, give someone else a chance, man. A lot. I mean, I, I, I. Well, that's an interesting question, Luke. I don't know if that was, if that, if that satisfied the. What you were looking for, but there you go.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, that was a lot. That was really shallow of a, Of a life story, but there you go. I want to thank you guys so much for submitting these. Yes. This is it. We did 15.

[Mike Todrick]

Dang.

[Jen Todrick]

Did we do 15 or 13? We did 13. Thank you all so much for sending these and for an awesome season one. We didn't even touch on this, but we hit over a million downloads.

[Mike Todrick]

That's awesome.

[Jen Todrick]

We hit a million pretty quickly. And I just want to say thank you so much for doing that, for listening, for listening to the whole thing. Obviously, if you're doing any kind of endeavor like this, do it, whether even if it's just your parents watching or listening or reading. Trust me, I started from there. And I would say, you know, followers don't matter. Listens don't matter. But on the flip side, it's very fun and satisfying to have an audience like you guys who are listening and.

[Mike Todrick]

Talking, and there can be something out of it, too. Like I said. Again, for the comments, the individuals who commented and gave us the Positive feedback that this is is bringing some value to their life. That's awesome. Even just making you laugh on it, like, it's mindless. That's okay too.

[Jen Todrick]

Oh, my gosh. And thank you for sticking with us past, like, the first two episodes. Mike and I, really. It's just like anything else, you have to practice. And there's a way to do podcasting. We talked over each other constantly.

[Mike Todrick]

What do you mean, we talked over each other constantly? Whatever, Whatever. What are you doing? Stop it.

[Jen Todrick]

Mike and I talk like that in real life.

[Mike Todrick]

We do.

[Jen Todrick]

And I feel like why it doesn't feel that way is because you have that visual of, like, pinging back and forth. So it's not so much, but when it's only voices, you really have to ping back and forth, back. And so we've. I feel like we've gotten it down and we've improved so much as far as where we started. So thank you for sticking around because those first few episodes are rough.

[Mike Todrick]

To all the third children out there, like I am.

[Jen Todrick]

This is random.

[Mike Todrick]

I think we have learned. Most third children learn that the only way to be heard is that you have to over talk people.

[Jen Todrick]

Mike is like the king. Yes, Interrupt.

[Mike Todrick]

I'm not an over interrupter, but it's not necessarily interrupting. I get excited about it and things come in. It's like. But it's the candor. Like, I think the candor. The cadence of talk. And I think if you see my family, you know how we. We interact and we have to talk and. And I think even looking at Vivian, I mean, how many times are we just, like, so busy with other things? And Vivian's there is like, mom, mom, Mom, Honey.

[Jen Todrick]

She's barely four. I think that's normal.

[Mike Todrick]

But Vaughn wasn't that way because we gave him all attention all the time.

[Jen Todrick]

Well, he's only. Yeah, right.

[Mike Todrick]

You see what I'm saying? It's like, it's. I think there's somewhat of. Of kids in the position they are as far as for how you interject into conversations. You gotta, like, you gotta put yourself in. You gotta get your thoughts in.

[Jen Todrick]

Well, I learned really fast by being around you guys, your mom and you and your sisters, everybody. You had to interrupt, otherwise they'd move on to the next thing. Well, you had, like, something to say about that topic, but it's gone. Like, your opportunity is gone. They're onto something else.

[Mike Todrick]

Else. There should be no pauses between any voice ever. It just constantly flows over each other. It's just a movement. It overlaps the conversation.

[Jen Todrick]

So we've really had to work on pinging and so. Thank you. All I'm saying is thank you. It took practice and we're still learning and we're still in our freaking guest bedroom at the foot of the bed. I do want to eventually film it to where you guys can see like our facial expressions and can be more with us when we're recording.

[Mike Todrick]

That's a whole nother level of. Of learning, which is great because I like learning.

[Jen Todrick]

It's a whole nother endeavor too because we don't have any space that we can dedicate in our house. Like, we are maxed out. And so I'm. We're trying to figure out give up.

[Mike Todrick]

We're not going to give up the guest bedroom. We can't probably, you know, we should have kept in here. Was the. Was the Murphy bed.

[Jen Todrick]

The Murphy bed, though the desk that folds.

[Mike Todrick]

It's actually in storage then.

[Jen Todrick]

Yeah, probably should have. But anyway, we won't. We won't figure that out.

[Mike Todrick]

While we're talking, let's discuss on air.

[Jen Todrick]

Thank you so much for an amazing season. Let's give a clap. Mike. We finished season one. We're clapping for ourselves. Is that weird?

[Mike Todrick]

Insert Cheers. Thanks, guys. No, this has been fun. Thank you for doing this with me, Jen. I am. I really enjoy this and I know we've been talking about this forever and we actually made it happen.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes.

[Mike Todrick]

How many episodes did we in now?

[Jen Todrick]

We did 10, but with bonus. Yeah, we did a lot. I want to give a quick clap to one of my best friends in the whole world, Charity. She is my editor, producer, however you want to call it. Media 13 Media. She is the one that was like, you need to do a podcast. Why we're down. You've talked about it for years. I will edit it and take some work off your plate. You need to do it.

[Mike Todrick]

So incredibly talented.

[Jen Todrick]

She is amazing. Let's give her a clap.

[Mike Todrick]

Yay, Charity.

[Jen Todrick]

And if you guys have not if you have young kids and you want to listen to put a podcast on for your kids. They're short and sweet and it's adorable. So freaking brilliant.

[Mike Todrick]

ABC story.

[Jen Todrick]

So smart. Yes. Right now they're in the Little Mermaid and Berkeley is a flounder in it. ABC Story sisters. Go check them out wherever you listen to your podcast because it is an adorable story time podcast for kids.

[Mike Todrick]

So maybe after the new year we'll figure out when we're start up but.

[Jen Todrick]

We'Ll let you know. Follow on Instagram. I'm the rambling redhead if you're somehow.

[Mike Todrick]

Found us and I'm likely Mike Todrick at miketodre.

[Jen Todrick]

If you found us organically through listening to podcasts, you can follow on Instagram for updates on when we are going to I guess launch season two.

[Mike Todrick]

Yeah, it's been exciting. Thank you guys again for all the positive feedback, all the comments, all the 5 star reviews. Keep putting them. If you haven't done it yet, slap the it in the comments there, cuz.

[Jen Todrick]

Slap it in.

[Mike Todrick]

Go ahead, go and smash. Smash that five star like button. Five star like button. It's a new thing. But yeah, tell people. But if you like this thing and you got a lot out of this thing, tell your friends about it as well.

[Jen Todrick]

Yes, thank. I like don't want to hang up the phone. Like you hang up.

[Mike Todrick]

I love you.

[Jen Todrick]

No, you hang up.

[Mike Todrick]

I love you.

[Jen Todrick]

No, you hang up.

[Mike Todrick]

I love you more.

[Jen Todrick]

Thank you guys so much. Have a wonderful rest of your week. I hope you guys the merriest Christmas, happy holidays, whatever you're celebrating, celebrating. Have so much fun. We love you guys so much. Thank you.

[Mike Todrick]

This is getting really drawn out.

[Jen Todrick]

All right, we'll hang up now. Bye guys.

[Mike Todrick]

Bye.

[Jen Todrick]

You, me and Mike is a production of the Rambling Redhead from thirteen Media.

[Mike Todrick]

Subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts or wherever podcasts are available. While you're at it it leave us a five star rating while you're there.

[Jen Todrick]

For a daily dose of our crazy lives, follow us on Instagram at the Rambling Redhead and at Mike Todrick and Catch no DeMareno on HGTV.