Ep. 202: "Want Me To Be Real Honest??"

Summary

You, Me & Mike – Ep. 202: "Want Me To Be Real Honest??" Podcast by Thirteen Media | Hosts: Jenn & Mike Todryk | Date: September 4, 2025

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In this lively and candid episode, Jenn and Mike Todryk catch up after a two-year podcast pause, offering an unfiltered look into their life updates, family journey, entrepreneurial ventures, personal growth, and health challenges. The couple shares behind-the-scenes insights into their businesses (notably Armor Brewing and their coffee shops), personal health journeys (including Jenn’s battle with Hashimoto’s), the impact of public attention on their family, and the joys and risks of diving into multiple careers and creative endeavors—all while maintaining their signature humor, authenticity, and openness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Returning After a Two-Year Hiatus

• The episode opens with playful banter about Mike's "daddy shirt" (00:00–01:22) and a humorous look back at their show's format evolution.
• Both reflect on the challenge of jumping back into podcasting and what’s changed since 2023 (01:23–02:04).

2. Updates on Family and Work Life

• Jenn recounts her struggle explaining her multifaceted career to other moms, feeling “weird” about the influencer/entrepreneur label (03:56–06:05).
• Mike frames their careers as creative entrepreneurship, noting how content creation has become mainstream (04:38–05:06).

Notable Quote:
"I walked away from that conversation. I was like, I have a weird job. Like I'm on. I have a platform on social media that just kind of accidentally created and it’s... a full time career." — Jenn (04:00)

3. Owning a Business: Armor Brewing & Coffee Shops

• They detail opening Armor Brewing and two coffee shop locations, highlighting the five-year journey from side project to full-scale operation (07:14–08:12).
• Mike discusses leaving the security of his 17-year career in medical devices to pursue entrepreneurship, citing Jenn’s support and his desire for purpose beyond financial stability (08:12–12:08).

Notable Quote:
"You get in this like, you do too well to have the risk to do something else... I think it's your handcuffed by the money." — Mike (08:43–09:04)

• Honest conversations on ego, corporate “rat race,” being passed up for promotions, identity tied to career, and the challenge of jumping ship (09:23–18:30).
• Reflections on taking risks, switching family roles, and their complementary personalities: Mike as the risk-taker, Jenn as goal-oriented and content but not risk-driven (13:12–13:44).

Memorable Exchange:
Jenn: "That's where we're different. Right, Mike. Risk taker. No risk. No gang, gang." (13:12)
Mike: "Gang gain... Not gonna get the game unless you risk." (13:21)

4. Managing and Building Teams

• The importance of hiring experts, trusting employees, and fostering collaborative culture in both hospitality and TV production (19:04–20:45).
• Humorous and cringe-worthy anecdotes from Jenn’s experience with TV crews, including a crew member who “hated kids” (21:02–21:29).

5. Real Talk on the Brewery Business

• Jenn voices anxieties about bar/restaurant risks, employee theft, and the emotional toll of betrayal but ultimately loves the community impact (22:19–23:40).

Notable Quote:
"I told this man I would never own a restaurant or a bar, and now we essentially own both." — Jenn (22:21)

• Both express pride in cultivating a space that’s a “part of people’s stories” with weddings, first dates, and community anchoring (23:42–24:52).

Notable Quote:
"What are you most proud of about what we built? ...I love the community aspect. I love that it's like a fun place where people can gather and it can be part of people's stories." — Jenn (23:42)

6. Slower, Intentional Growth Over “Instant Success”

• Discussion of resisting the influencer temptation to cash in with fast online product sales; instead, building true community businesses (24:52–26:57).
• Decision to avoid outside investors and grow carefully to safeguard quality and mission (26:36–27:10).

7. Jenn’s New Ventures: Supplements and Health

• Jenn shares her collaboration with Beam to create “Glow” – a women’s hormone supplement—rooted in her daily struggle with Hashimoto’s disease (27:10–28:18).
• Candid exploration of Jenn’s symptoms (fatigue, brain fog, cold sensitivity, hair/eyelash loss) and shared advice for listeners to seek comprehensive thyroid panels (28:18–33:19).

Informative Segment:
"If you're cold all the time... fingers are really cold to the touch... a lot of women experience weight gain with it as well... Don't just ask for the general ones... They just have to put in that you have some symptoms associated." — Jenn & Mike (32:16–33:19)

8. Diet Experimentation & Fitness Updates

• Jenn adopts a carnivore diet; Mike teases a future deep-dive into this controversial topic (34:15–34:47).
• Both emphasize ongoing pivots for well-being: Mike talks about reduced alcohol, healthier routines, and Jenn’s adaptation to rigorous exercise and diet tweaks (34:51–36:22).

Notable Quote:
Mike: "Drink less but drink better. That means drink armor." (36:22)

9. Parenting, Public Attention & Privacy Challenges

• Update on their three kids: each at different school levels, involved in multiple activities (37:07–37:38).
• Addressing the kids’ interest (and obliviousness) to fame, and why the Todryks limit sharing about their family online (37:51–39:16).

Memorable Moment:
Jenn: "Berkeley, we were talking about something. She was like, I mean, I wouldn't be mad if I was famous one day." (38:27)

• Setting boundaries with fans (especially about photographing the kids) and how they navigate privacy with empathy for “A-list” parents (39:13–40:15).

10. Audience Engagement & Lighthearted Closing

• The “Jar of Weird Questions” returns with silly queries about dreams and would-they-eat-each-others-spit-out-food-for-money scenarios (41:45–45:45).
  • Jenn shares a recurring dream about Mike being faceless and dreams of him cheating (“Dream Mike is a dick. I don’t like that guy.” — Jenn, 43:10).
  • Both answer “yes” to eating each other’s chewed food for the right price (“Give me those beans!” — Jenn, 44:53).

11. Looking Ahead

• Teasing a major, emotional upcoming topic for next week (45:51–46:13).
• Inviting listeners to submit questions, topic ideas, or add questions to the “Jar of Weird Questions.” (46:28–46:59)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

• On career identity: "You get in this like, you do too well to have the risk to do something else... I think it's your handcuffed by the money." (Mike, 08:43)
• On taking risks: "That's where we're different. Right, Mike. Risk taker. No risk. No gang, gang." (Jenn, 13:12)
• On staff trust: "My passion isn't just a single product. My passion is in building the brand and the culture team." (Mike, 19:18)
• On the slow build: "Ours is a slow burn of a company because we're brick and mortar... The slow burn also lasts longer." (Jenn, 24:52)
• On health advocacy: "If you're cold all the time... don't just ask for the general ones... They just have to put in that you have some symptoms associated." (Jenn, 32:16)
• On being recognized: "Berkeley, we were talking about something. She was like... I wouldn't be mad if I was famous one day." (Jenn, 38:27)
• On boundaries: "Please don't take... pictures of our kids. And then our kids learn to smile at a stranger taking their photo. That opens up a lot of [issues]." (Jenn, 39:37)

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Important Timestamps (Segment Highlights)

• 00:00–01:22: Playful start, “daddy shirt”
• 03:56–06:05: Jenn’s career identity crisis
• 07:27–08:12: Armor Brewing’s origin & coffee shop expansion
• 08:12–18:30: Mike’s exit from corporate America; risk vs. stability
• 19:18–20:45: Philosophy of business management; TV show dynamics
• 22:19–23:40: Truth about bar/restaurant owner anxieties
• 27:10–33:19: Jenn’s Hashimoto’s journey, Glow supplement launch, advice to listeners
• 34:15–34:47: Jenn’s carnivore diet experiment
• 37:07–39:16: Kids’ updates, handling attention, privacy policy
• 41:45–45:45: “Jar of Weird Questions”—funny answers, dream confessions
• 45:51–46:13: Tease for big next episode (emotional/suspenseful topic)
• 46:28– end: Calls for listener interaction and feedback

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Tone & Takeaways

Warm, witty, and unflinchingly real, this episode offers listeners both a catch-up and a masterclass in balancing business, family, health, and the oddities of public life. Jenn and Mike’s back-and-forth is both entertaining and profoundly human, showing the joys, doubts, frustrations, and triumphs of modern entrepreneurship and partnership. They peer behind the curtain on "success," delivering advice, laughs, and meaningful reflections—all in a way that feels like catching up with close friends.

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Transcript

[A]

The second episode of season two, shirtless mic, is what we are introducing to the world. I've been working out for two years and it's. I can't take off my daddy shirt.

[B]

No, keep your daddy shirt on.

[A]

I don't think I should ever say daddy shirt again.

[B]

No, please don't. He calls it a daddy shirt because he's wearing. It's this pack of shirts I got on Amazon, but I got it like during my bubble pop game or whatever. And it's, it's an ad that was like, do you want your dad to look more like a daddy? And it like went into the shirt they're selling.

[A]

I do.

[B]

And it really did look good. I was like, wow, that's a really dumb commercial. But it worked and I bought him on Amazon and it looks great. So now he calls them the daddy daddy. She's like, I'm in my daddy shirt. And so that's what he's referring to. Do you want your dad to look more like a daddy?

[A]

Well, welcome to season two, episode two of you, me, you're me. And I might. You need to say that you, me and Mike. That's a better way to say it. I'm Mike. I'm Jen's husband.

[B]

I love how you're going to give a recap of what number we're at every single time we start podcast.

[A]

Well, welcome to what it is. It's that way I remember.

[B]

It's the way I remember.

[A]

I'm going to call it. We're going to, we're going to refer to this in TV terms. This is episode 202.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. They had always put like 100 or 200 for one or two.

[A]

This is episode 202.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Season two, episode two.

[B]

Well, I thought it'd be good if we dove into. So last episode, the first episode, we kind of dove into coming back on, kind of figuring out how to even start back up, talking into a podcast and then also talking about the show and where no demo reno stands, no demo rental stands. So if you missed that, go back and listen to that one first. This one I thought it'd be fun to kind of dive into. Okay. We took a two year pause from the podcast. We weren't just sitting around.

[A]

We did.

[B]

We did. We weren't just sitting around being lazy. Like, what have we done? So we can kind of talk about, like changes since we last left off.

[A]

Yeah. Health updates.

[B]

Sure, why not? Let's talk about that too.

[A]

Everyone wants to know. Everyone.

[B]

Are you pooping regularly, Michael?

[A]

Just kidding.

[B]

Please don't talk about it.

[A]

Are you pregnant?

[B]

Okay. No. That. You're just trying to start drawing.

[A]

Oh, trying to.

[B]

Wait, are you sure?

[A]

How do you know?

[B]

Because you've been fixed. It's not happening. Not happening.

[A]

True. If, if you were, I would have questions.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

I would have some serious questions.

[B]

Okay, so let's dive into armor. So when people are constantly asking me like, what I'm doing for a living.

[A]

Which could be a. I'll ask you that question in a second.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, well, I mean, you can ask it now.

[A]

Well, what are you doing for a living?

[B]

I mean, I know it's. Oh my gosh. So this we had. I had yesterday. So the kids started school, they had two days back at school. Berkeley's in like a very big transitional year where elementary schools all funnel into a different school. And so they're with kids from a different school for the first time. So that can go good or it can be like a painful year, right. Trying to figure out your people, learn new kids, kids could be mean, whatever. But Berkeley instantly clicked with one girl who moved here from out of state and two girls from the different school instantly, within the two days. And so she wanted to have a play date. And I was like, our schedule, schedule with sports is about to be insane spread. With three kids, we usually have one day, one week day off. Because Saturday's game day and Sundays there's practices after church. So literally usually it's Friday, we have off. And I'm like, this is it. So we have to do the play date like super early right now. So. Because we're not gonna have time here in a minute. And so I had five little girls over from her classroom, just letting them hang out for a couple hours, swim, do pizza, just to get to know each other and kind of help aid that seamless transition that they did themselves, like, even more so, I guess. And anyway, I was talking to a mom, she was like, so what do you do?

[A]

I was like, she goes, I don't really know.

[B]

Well, I have a weird job. Like, I don't know. I actually am in a weird thought of I don't know what to lead with. And I, I walked away from that conversation. I was like, I have a weird job. Like I'm on. I have a platform on social media that just kind of accidentally created and it's. Create. Created a whole full time career. Like, it's, it's amazing. It's so fun and it's creative. And anyway, I walked away. I didn't tell her. Anything about, like, armor, like, just forgot about that stuff. Brooke. Brick and mortar businesses. When I get asked, what do you do for a living? I instantly, like, get a little like. Like they're gonna think I'm weird or have a.

[A]

Well, you're an entrepreneur. We're an entrepreneurs. We're business owners. We. You. We create content online. I mean, it's not a hard thing to say. It, like. It's not like being a content creator or social media influencer is a. Is a weird job anymore. It's not people, it's.

[B]

No, you're right.

[A]

As we talked about Even last episode, five year olds want to be YouTube creators. And I think it's the number one job that people graduate from high school. The number one job. They want to be YouTube creator. And you're based. You think you're a high school kid half the time.

[B]

College.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But there's a difference.

[A]

Yes. Have you seen the way you dance college? You still dance like that? I still bet my. I still do. The white, the. The. What is it? What do you call it? The white boy lip thing. Is that.

[B]

Could I say that that's not a white boy lip. That's. I don't know what that is. It's.

[A]

I mean, maybe you had bop your head and bite your lip.

[B]

You look like you have no rhythm.

[A]

It's maybe that.

[B]

It looks like you're. I don't know why you're biting the lip. It's like you're trying to be sexual, but also it's horrible.

[A]

That's not true. It's just a cool look.

[B]

Okay. Anyway, so I guess I just. Whenever I get asked that, you know, and I'm in a room of nurses and a dermatologist and an analyst, and I'm like, I made two doctors.

[A]

Two of the girls that mothers were doctors. Yeah.

[B]

So no, I mean, I'm proud of what I do. I get talked about designing for the show and stuff, and then she was like, oh, my gosh, I watch that show. So it like all clicked. And then once they, like, recognize, it's like, not weird, but.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, that is meeting new moms.

[A]

And I have an opportunity to. To work and be eclectic and we have a blessed life. And I know you, you get emotional about it, but I believe, and I think you believe as well. I mean, this is an opportunity that God put in front of you, and it's an opportunity that you've created a lot of joy and right things, and it's created a lot of opportunities for us as a family. As well that hopefully continue to do good things to others out there. That's what I look at Armor as. It's an extension of, of I guess with the blessings we have been given is in, in our business, you know, we, we do it to make money as well. But it's also, it's created a lot of, of other opportunities for other people and I love that. It's one of the coolest things about being an entrepreneur.

[B]

Right. But that's not something I tell a mom when I'm meeting her for the first 10 minutes. I don't monologue about the blessings.

[A]

Well, I mean I have to keep.

[B]

It short and tell her what I do.

[A]

I didn't know this was you talking. I was asking you what do you do?

[B]

So we have a blessing. Like I can't go into all that.

[A]

We do blessings on the first me.

[B]

I create joy. I can't get into that.

[A]

I am a joy creator.

[B]

This girl's gonna be like, she really takes this seriously. Next topic.

[A]

Okay, go for it.

[B]

So anyway, yeah, I thought we could talk about. So when we left off in 2023, which is now feels like a long time ago, but we had the coffee shop, we opened up Armor Brewing.

[A]

Yeah, so yeah, so we have that. And we opened up another coffee shop in wy. We got one in Allen, Texas. One in wy, Texas. And that's our cafe business with you know, call it a, call it a higher end, more food driven Starbucks type of business. I mean we focus on craft, but I mean it's not Starbucks. No, I said higher end. I like to be it. We, you know, we source our own beans, we roast our own beans. We have a high quality chef driven food program and it's been awesome and we have a really good team. Armors officially 5 year anniversary was just a few months ago as a coffee shop. So that started five years ago as the side project. As you always said, you're never going to be able to make this a side project. Which she turned out to be right?

[B]

Oh, you mean like when you were like I'm just gonna open this business, but I'm just not really gonna do anything?

[A]

No, I never said that. I'm just gonna, I'm never, I never said that. I never said I wasn't gonna do anything. I said this is gonna be an awesome side project. I had finished up the business school and I always tell people the worst thing I could have, the worst thing corporate America could have done was allow me to go to business school because all it did was like hyper drive. My want and desire to be an entrepreneur.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I was like, oh man, I'm going to, I gotta leave corporate America. And I loved it. It was a great career I had in corporate America. I worked in the medical device field for 17 years.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Very blessed field. Very. Created a lot of, of financial instability, opportunities for us to, to do things like that. But the hardest thing, and I have other people that still work in that field that I know and people that are similar positions in life where you get in this like you do well, you do too well to have the risk to do something else.

[B]

I think it's your handcuffed by the money.

[A]

It's kind of what it is. That's exactly right.

[B]

And it's not like that's like, well.

[A]

That'S a horrible thing.

[B]

It's not, it's. You work your butt off to make a really good income and then you realize like, this is not giving me joy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we're not, it's not like this fleeting two second thing. We're talking years of like, yeah, it's draining me as a person.

[A]

And so, and I can only speak from a perspective of a man because that's what I am. And I'm sure women go through the same thing, but I know a lot of men in their 40s kind of go through this weird transition of like you grow to this thing, you have these desires to keep moving up and then you have families and you get this like rat race routine where like you hear about it when you're in your 20s and then you really start to live it. You're like, man, what am I building? What am I growing? What am I making a difference in?

[B]

What?

[A]

Yes, I have stability. Yes. And I have to take care of my family. That is the most important thing. And if you have that, it's a blessing. And we live in a, in a country that's, it's unbelievable the opportunities that a lot of people have.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And but with that being said, there's a stamp, a sense of sometimes losing yourself into it and not doing something that you feel you've been called to do. And I talked about this even I remember last season about my journey through corporate America into entrepreneurialism, where it was my desire was like, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to ride this ladder of corporate world. I'm going to move up into the VP and president ranks and that's what I want to do. Until I was passed up for promotion. And it was like this really like, it's the first time I failed at something I felt in my mind, even though it's not really a failure. But from the standpoint of, like, this is out of your control, every single thing, like, you know, it's going through. It's the doing the academy, getting the job I wanted, finding the promote. You know, like, I wanted to get. Get to a rap role. I'm with a rap role. I was like, I want to be Pride.

[B]

Men have really.

[A]

So you start to go into it in this idea of like, of. Of not getting into this next role. And it was really. You were a lot of the. The catalyst, believe it or not, for me, wanting to focus on the entrepreneur side because I knew I need. Wanted to anchor here. And I knew I wasn't going to be happy getting to the place where I felt the gifts that God had given me. And I know it sounds really weird and like, I don't want to say that sounds selfish, but like, there's a standpoint of like, if you have gifts and you have things that you want to do to improve an organization or better your people, or you have cultural misalignments. At standpoint, like, if I can't culture.

[B]

Right.

[A]

How do I define my culture? And if there's a different standpoint in it, what's the control you can have at that point? And it was either move to get promoted, which was what the option was.

[B]

Right. I remember that.

[A]

Yeah. Or stay where you are and be happy with you, what you are. And I was like, well, I'm not happy. But it was that. But that was super selfish of me at that time. I actually look back on then and say, like, I had a really unbelievable.

[B]

I don't view it as that.

[A]

Well, I mean, I think from the standpoint of, like, being frustrated with.

[B]

You were passed up. No, you were passed up for a couple things. And I said, honey, this ain't it. They ain't seeing your.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

I mean, remember having that conversation.

[A]

One was for the one that was local here. Right. And that if I didn't get that one, that's where I was like. But again, but that's a pride and ego thing and the company can make their own decisions.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But that was also looking at like, do I really want that next job? Do I really want that?

[B]

That was the thing. You didn't want the next.

[A]

Didn't really want that job.

[B]

Then you were like, why are my.

[A]

Why do I.

[B]

Why are we putting all these hours into it? There's also a different piece too. Like, if we're really going to be transparent. We had always said if my. If I made enough to support, then you could think about then we were going to switch.

[A]

That was a little bit later, I was gonna say.

[B]

But I feel like that should be said because it's not like we were both unemployed and then you jumped.

[A]

That's true. But there was. You didn't start looking and making any money in your career until 2019. Right, right. I Armor. Technically, we had purchased armor. I purchased the correct. It wasn't armor. I bought an old coffee shop and we gutted it, started over. It was that spot there. It was already kind of a coffee shop. I had some of the same employees. But we rebranded and started over and call and Armor was January of 2020 is when we started the business officially.

[B]

Yes, that's right.

[A]

But already in 2019, I had bought the OR. We leased the building. We had the space and things were already in that progress.

[B]

You had always talked about wanting to own a company, though. Like, I knew that.

[A]

I still have about 30 business plans written in my office of different ideas.

[B]

I believe that. So that is where we're different. Right, Mike? Risk taker. No risk. No gang. Gang, gang.

[A]

Gang gain.

[B]

Not gonna get the game unless you risk. I do risk. No gain. And I'm like a person who's very content. That's the best word for me. I feel like I'm content. Except I do love goals, but they're not driven financially.

[A]

No. Your thing is you're all in. You're all. You already said that last episode and go back on.

[B]

But I don't do risk. My job is not risky.

[A]

You are very. You are risk.

[B]

Although I think I was talking to Charity one time, my friend, she was like, your job is so risky. Like you are in the public. But I don't perceive it as.

[A]

You don't perceive that way because you're comfortable in it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And the way you. You. I think the way you built your presence online was super organic and authentic. So it wasn't like there wasn't. It wasn't this intent of like, I'm going to be an influencer. I'm going to. I'm going to say this one thing so I can get popular and I'm going to create these real short ticks and like it just right. You didn't. You weren't just there to create content, inauthentic content for clicks. You were there just to share what was going on. It's fun and it's still part of who you're I do want to finish my one thought on the whole point of that journey of it though, because I do think it's relevant to what comes into business standpoint when I. It took a lot for me to get out of my own ego about why I wanted to be promoted because to your point, it says I didn't really want the job. Yeah, I wanted the.

[B]

But you didn't want to be passed up.

[A]

I didn't want to be passed up because I felt was like, that's what you have to do. And as a person who's, you know, driven through achievement and that becomes part of your definition of you are. And it was a military officer, West Point grad, and all these things that like, you're defined by the role that you are. Yeah, that was an evolution is where of Pre Mike and Pre Jen was like, that's what defined me. And if I didn't have that, I didn't have purpose right now into having, you know, fortunate successes in. In some of the entrepreneurial worlds and whatnot. It's like I do to still carry the weight I do. It's part of the. You know, I have a feeling it's. I have a fear of failure, and that's not a great trait to have. So it's really. You get driven pretty damn risky for.

[B]

Having a fear of fear.

[A]

It's still. It's still part of it still, trust me. Why do you think I have 30 plus business plans written and only one?

[B]

I think it's because you're medicated. Add Michael. I think that's what that is.

[A]

Good ideas.

[B]

You do have good ideas.

[A]

But that took enough for me, I think from a standpoint of realizing what's my role, what my purpose is and where do we want to go. From a standpoint of my role in the family and also the sport of you as well, which was huge for us to take that venture. And it was like, be a father first, be a husband first. Those things matter. They do matter the most. And that's why I actually became content of being in the role I was in. Although I didn't. Wasn't super happy in the job, but I was be content where I was because I felt that if I move you all that was. That was super selfish and I would just be chasing something more and traveling more.

[B]

We weren't even talking about that. You knew I wasn't gonna move. I don't think the support of me.

[A]

Well, you wouldn't be able to move by myself. Right.

[B]

The supportive. The support of me, though, the Support of me, though, came way later. Yeah. Because when you made that decision, I hadn't even started filming yet. I don't think you understood how much you would have to support me. Like, my job became very like about me pretty quickly. That was a transition that we had to kind of work.

[A]

True. Covet was a tricky time and that was because I was still working full time.

[B]

Losing your hair? Alopecia.

[A]

Because it was. There's Covid. We were remodeling the coffee shop at the same time you started filming.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Kids were pulled out of school because of the homeschooling thing. So I was doing when I was. And all while trying to do everything in one. That's when I was in the bathroom. Like, I was nearly having a mental breakdown. I literally started crying. I'm like, I can't hold all this. When it was in the bathroom of the old house and.

[B]

And yeah, I wasn't there, was I?

[A]

You were.

[B]

I was.

[A]

You've talked. This is. Even on the last season. We talked about this.

[B]

You cried.

[A]

Yeah. Like the mo. You'd call it like an emotional breakdown. It was like. I was like, I can't. I don't know if it was crying. It was more like. Like, I can't.

[B]

I don't remember.

[A]

I got. Something's got to give.

[B]

What bathroom?

[A]

I'm not happening. The one with your, your. The floors that you don't like that you put in.

[B]

In the main bathroom.

[A]

Yes. One of the most important.

[B]

Did I answer? Like, was I really empathetic? Was I really empathetic? I was.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Wow. I'm the best.

[A]

You really don't remember this?

[B]

I don't, but I'm glad I was empathetic. I'm surprised I wasn't like, why are you crying?

[A]

This is literally one time. This is what we talked about. And it was the whole thing about when the right time to leave my full time job was.

[B]

I don't remember a specific time where you're like emotional. I just remember we were in that period for like a few years where I knew you weren't happy, but you were also. I said, okay, if you're not happy and you know you're not going to go anywhere, hang on to this job.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For a year. Do a good job, but also do the side thing. And then you start wearing yourself out because you were juggling both. And then that's when I was like, you cannot do both. I say jump ship. I'll. I'll take this on. And yeah. I couldn't have until you can pick this up.

[A]

I never would have felt comfortable halfway doing the job I was in, being full, paid full.

[B]

I know.

[A]

That's not why I can't. I could not. I couldn't. I don't know if morally is the right word, but it's like, yes, I was doing it, but I didn't care about being promoted, so I wasn't doing the extra stuff. I was. I didn't do any of the social stuff and stuff was like, take care of my reps, my people, my team, and make sure that's all I did, was that I was it.

[B]

This podcast was supposed to be updates, and it's really morphed into Mike's mental health in 2020. So. Sorry.

[A]

Well, anyway, so I left. Yeah, we left and then we started Armor, and it's growing.

[B]

Okay. I have a couple of questions for you with the brewery specifically. Okay. From your perspective, what's the weirdest thing about owning a brewery when you're not actually a brewer?

[A]

I don't think there's anything worried about that. I actually think it's an advantage.

[B]

I don't think there is either. I. I could not imagine you being the head brewer and then also managing the front. In the back of the house, how.

[A]

There's a lot of brewery owners that start out as brewers and.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And then move towards it, and they still have, like, their. They call the head brewer and owner, and that's. That's a passion, and that's awesome. For the. For that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

My passion isn't just a single product. My passion is in building the brand and the culture team.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And again, that's where using the skill sets I have is. I think there's been some things of bringing good people together. And I think this is from the. From the old career I was into. This thing is, is that I've, you know, God's given me a niche to be able to. To see the best in people and to be able to bring them into the roles they're in, to allow them to succeed and excel. And we have a phenomenal head brewer. Brian is. He's, He's. He's. He's really good at what he does. Yeah, we interviewed a ton of different people, but that's his passion and he's able to. To excel in that there. And it's the same thing with Kyler, our operations partner. And, you know, he works. You know, you know, you know, we've known Kyler for four years now. He's been with us, and he's. He's a restaurant guy and he's a good leader when it comes to the operations team event. That's his. It's his expertise.

[B]

We said the same thing about TV all the time with, like the crew that's on the ground making television. When you had a showrunner, which I've had an experience with, season two was great. Season two and three were great. But I've also worked under showrunners that literally let no one do their job and be an expert in what they did and try to do everything. And it's. It's a killer for like, everything. Like, the whole point of especially in a creative workspace is like letting everyone take ownership and excelling and what they're really good at, like letting camera ops make the shot calls versus, like telling them where to stand. Like, it's true. When you let people do their thing, it's a better product.

[A]

Can I tell. I won't say names. Can I tell the story about one from season one, about when she came to her house to film the family. And you're basically telling it.

[B]

So carry on.

[A]

First time. It's the first time I met her and I was like, oh, it's so nice to meet you. Everything.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, thanks for coming in. It's gonna be great. Yeah. And then I was, you know, I was like. Because it was. It was meant to be the slice of life with the kids were in there and stuff. They wanted it. And I was like, do you have kids? She's like, no, I hate kids.

[B]

My kids were right there.

[A]

You're about to film three of them. And I was like, okay, what may. I was like, that's interesting. They go, why do you hate kids? She goes, I don't trust anyone. She like. She literally was like, I don't trust people with kids. I was like, awesome. Well, this is going to be great. Working with.

[B]

Why would you say that? When you're making a show with a talent that has children, some people. She was bizarre. She didn't last long.

[A]

Just for anyone listening. People have, you know, very short run show people are allowed to express their opinions and other people allowed to be able to have their opinions of those people.

[B]

And then your opinions have consequences. Moving on.

[A]

As we tell our children. Anyway. Yeah, but that's. That was okay. We'll leave it there.

[B]

We'll leave it there.

[A]

Well, I want to ask you a question about armor. I know you, you, you've. You've been an amazing partner in this journey with it because you are. You're. You're 50. 50 in this. And I know you don't really do the day to day and you let us take lead and all things, but, you know, we look at these businesses as part of. They're still kind of like. It's like.

[B]

Well, we both.

[A]

Yeah. So we got three. The two coffee shops. I'm like, how do you. How do you feel about this? How are you feeling about this? This adventure that we've done?

[B]

You want me to be real honest?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, that's. Yeah.

[B]

I told this man I would never own a restaurant or a bar, and now we essentially own both.

[A]

It's a. It's a brew pub. It's a brewery and a coffee shop.

[B]

No. So all jokes aside, mine coffee beans. Well, mine is the risk.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I was a bartender. I saw stuff get stolen all the time. And so in my mind, I'm like, everyone's just gonna steal stuff, and then we're not gonna be profitable. And then how do you monitor, like, employees from theft? And it has happened lots of times. And so that's not like a crazy thing to think. But also, now that I've been in it, we also know, like, we survive. It's. It's part of the business. Unfortunately, people that even you do amazing things for, to help, support, even on a personal level, will still. Not everyone. But it's happened and it's hurt and it's hurtful. Like, I'm not an overly sensitive person, and that was really hurtful for me. I've. And so, like, it left scars a little bit. Like, when I think about it still, it's like, unfortunate. But I. What do I think about it? I think it's an awesome thing. I love that you're happy and even though you have, like, stressful days and we're busy and we're running around for getting important school dates and stuff like that. I know that you feel like you have a purpose and that brings out your better self, which then helps our marriage. And it's also really. I mean, that's the deep. It's exciting.

[A]

What are you most proud of about we built, you think?

[B]

I love the community aspect. I love that it's like a fun place where people can gather and it can be part of people's stories. Like, we have weddings and we have.

[A]

Receptions and like, Armor is three weddings.

[B]

Armor is part of, like, really big days. And I think that's like, so freaking.

[A]

We had. We've had. We've had people have their first date at the coffee shop and then ordered our coffee for their wedding. And so it is cool. And. And I've said the exact same thing. The one part about why I like hospitality is that you do create real connection. You create real community involvement of it because it becomes an anchor of that community where people think, my local shop is this, my local brewery is this. And you get this real emotional kind. I'm actually glad that you said that because I actually didn't know that you're going to say that. That's. That. No, that's why I love the businesses we have. And, you know, and it's cool that we have. We have the online coffee program that's going out there. We have the merch people can buy. And that's cool to be able to kind of reach in a. In a larger thing. But really what I love the most is when people come in and they're like, yeah, look at. They understand that we say, tell the people kind of care about the journey of that person, the customers, that journey, because that's from the beginning of the end. And create a connection on it. And then they become part of it. Like, they get it what we've. What we've tried to build. And that's fun. It is super fun.

[B]

I like it too, because it's kind of like not the path. Like people who are in my position, it's not the business they do. They. They make a product and they sell it online and they become massive multimillion dollar companies quickly because of the large platform. And ours isn't like that. Ours is a slow burn of a company because we're brick and mortar. Like, you have to slow build.

[A]

Build. Hopefully not burning is like, down.

[B]

Touche. I. It's a slow downfall. It's a slow build. Yes, well, the slow burn also lasts longer. Right.

[A]

But remember, burn goes away. You're burning something down, you're building something up. We're not burning it down or choice of words. Yes.

[B]

You know what I mean.

[A]

I do know what you mean.

[B]

It's a slow build and it's not an instant boom. And at the very beginning, I would be like, mike, are we. Why are we the only suckers doing brick and mortar businesses instead of focusing on a serum or a beauty product or something?

[A]

And again, no. I mean, that's great. People can provide real products that help value 100%.

[B]

But we went the hard route. But we. We really were like community focused from the beginning.

[A]

Well, we started with that. I mean, we did do that. That wasn't. That was it. And I'm. Again, that was partially because we started even before You. This blew up and before the TV show happened, we already had this idea with the coffee shop and that that.

[B]

Was at a large platform on Instagram.

[A]

You did, but that wasn't. I never looked at the platforms like, let's leverage this to this. I wanted to build something that was really successful despite your. Your presence, and not try to build a tourist trap. Not to try to build something. Build something that's legitimately good, that we happen to be a huge part, you know, be a part of and have the privilege to be able to grow. And one thing is, you know, we've, we, we've been slow for it because just like you, you talked about control.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

As well. I kind of had the same thing. We, we've done this with just the bank and ourselves, and we haven't brought in a bunch of investors. And it's because. Partially it's not because of control. And it's. I wanted to make sure if we ever took money from anyone else, that the business was a hundred, like, guaranteed going to get people's money back. And that's honestly really hard when you have a brand new business and brand new things. And it doesn't mean we're not going to do that at some point.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because we might if we want to. If we want to really hyper. Accelerate growth on it. But I wanted to make sure everything was done right and built out right before it was. Before it was just trying to grab at something to create personal wealth.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Anyway, with that being said. But look, you've. You've kind of lateraled and you've, you've partnered with Beam and you've built a really awesome product with them.

[B]

Yeah, that was super fun. And. Yeah, that's new. So making Glow Woman's super powder hormone supplement, something I'm extremely passionate about. And so that's been really fun and a really fun journey to help bring that to fruition.

[A]

From day one, like, from, from like ideation to creation to go to market, you were part of that whole thing. And it's cool to have a partner like those guys.

[B]

Ye.

[A]

Where you got to see that journey. Right. You got to see that aspect of it. And you had. They had all the infrastructure and platforms built in place.

[B]

That's a good, that's a good example of how much I don't like Risk. I wanted to build this product, but rather my choices were like, do I do this myself and make a supplement company or do I dip my toes in the water and yeah, take this great relationship that I have and let them do their thing. And that's obviously what I chose. And that was a really good choice because there's a lot that goes into supplements and all that. And I. I'm not saying I would never do the supplement thing. I'll never say never. But that's another thing that I'm very passionate about too.

[A]

But what do you like about what's, what's, what's the best thing that you get from that product?

[B]

Well, I think it's just. Well, not the product. I think why I'm like, why I like the supplement and like the hormone topic altogether, why I'm passionate about it is because I'm struggling with that all the time with Hashimoto's. And so it's something that I'm very actively going through 24 7. It's part of my identity. It's part of my every single day I think about what I think about me having Hashimoto's every single day. There's not a day that goes by where I don't remember that I have this thyroid autoimmune disorder.

[A]

What does it make you feel? So people that don't know Hashimoto's are new. Yeah, but it's. What's the main things that you feel with Hashimoto's?

[B]

So it's on with women's hormones. You either have Graves disease, which is you produce hyperthyroidism, which you. So hypothyroid hyperthyroidism is you produce too much of something of the hormone. And so what that causes is that autoimmune disorder is Graves disease. So you can have hyperthyroidism and not have Graves Graves disease. However, Graves disease has like a rushed accelerated heart rate. You have to go on heart medication. I have hypothyroidism where I don't produce enough and my body is attacking its own thyroid. So I'm in a constant state of inflammation because basically like how your body fights an illness to help you. I'm constantly fighting myself. My little warrior guys backs are turned and I usually get sick a lot more often because I don't have my guys fighting the right thing. So it's like wired wrong. And so I have Hashimoto's, which is just determined by one anti tpo, one hormone marker that causes inflammation. So how do I feel about that? Like in general it's like, it sucks, but it's not something that I'm like ever. Like, why me? Because like, what do you feel?

[A]

What does it cause you to feel? So.

[B]

Most day to day I feel.

[A]

Good Yeah, I feel great.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Say when you have a flare.

[B]

But when I have an episode is what I call it once or twice a month. It just feels like you have pregnancy exhaustion. And if you don't, if you haven't been pregnant, you. And if you ever want to have kids one day you'll feel like what that exhaustion is, but it's. Or maybe like say you've never been pregnant, but you've worked like a 12 to 16 hour shift. It's the point where like your eyes are so heavy and you have to like, think about stuff or slap yourself in the face to keep yourself awake. So along with that, you have like brain fog. So I'm just not, I'm not firing. I look well, at least how I feel like I look. Like as an outsider looking at me, I feel like I look very unmotivated that day. Like, I actually don't care to like get stuff checked off. And so I just have to fight.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I used to years ago succumb to it and I would be like, well, this is my day and I'd like be more chill. And the past probably had some days.

[A]

Six years, you haven't done it often, but you had some days where you'd be like, I'm just going to chill in bed and read. Or you would watch TV and you just read. But yeah, well, I guess watching tv.

[B]

I fall asleep, never read. But now I feel like I'm in the phase of my life. What's working for me is I literally ignore it and I tell myself, get up, get dressed, you have work to do. Maybe I wanted to film three reels that day and do an Amazon live. Maybe I do two of those things.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

And it takes me a lot longer in the whole day. I don't want to do it, but I don't talk about that. And I just freaking do it.

[A]

And I'm gonna. We'll come back to this in a second. Because there's other things you've been doing to try to like improve your health and markers with your diet and things like that. But the other thing is you. You lost some hair, some. Your eyelashes fell out, things like that. Right. Only the only reason I'm saying that is that there's probably a lot of women that are listening that haven't had their hormones checked. Even men as well, but they haven't get injured.

[B]

If the eyelash thing though, isn't. I'm noticing that doesn't go hand in hand. I have a little spot still right now, my eyelash and I feel great.

[A]

Okay. Well, I'm just saying.

[B]

But that is that. Yes.

[A]

That's hormonal generally.

[B]

And my hair is really thick since taking GLOW regularly. That came back beautifully. So. Yeah. I don't know.

[A]

Yeah. So that's the one thing is again, and if. For those out there, if you're like, what is it? Do some research. Talk to your doctor. But as we say, we see if.

[B]

You'Re cold all the time. I'm cold all the time. My fingers are really cold to the touch. That's true. Like. Like I'm abnormally cold when other people aren't cold. So I always have a sweatshirt.

[A]

A lot of women experienced weight gain with it as well. You haven't. It's the one thing.

[B]

I'm an anomaly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I. My symptoms mirror graves. Yeah, I'm flipped.

[A]

But it doesn't make sense.

[B]

But it doesn't make sense.

[A]

But it is.

[B]

Doctor doesn't even know.

[A]

No. Except for the cold, the cold and lethargy. Lethargy. Those are things. Are the things that experience the most. Which it is. And again, that's. And that's the thing is it's not just like, I'm tired, I'm a mom. But those are things that definitely get up because we've talked about this in the past, whether it was. It's been on your. Your Instagram or even on the last podcast or other lives you did with Robbie, who was our.

[B]

We're gonna bring them on this season.

[A]

Those things are important. Get them checked out. Don't just ask for the general ones. Just hey, please check my thyroid. It literally, if you have insurance, it's not. They're talking 50s of dollars more to do. They just have to put it in that you have some symptoms associated. But if it's cash pay now, they're so inexp, I guess happy about that. I'm gonna ask him how my perspective of that is. It's if. If you did a full panel, 600 bucks.

[B]

I didn't fart. That was my foot.

[A]

Yeah, it's be about 600 bucks. For the record, again and again, we're not medical experts in this standpoint, so that's not it. The only thing is, is saying, okay, now go back to the product. Things that you've been doing to improve your health. The product you think you did help. It has helped because there's things you work through. You actually work.

[B]

You weren't kidding about health updates.

[A]

No, I think it's important.

[B]

No, it's true.

[A]

It's part of your journey.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

I.

[B]

Well, I talk about my.

[A]

My lumbar, my back issues.

[B]

Riveting.

[A]

It's riveting. I had a herniated disc. Super fun.

[B]

I think the. I think the health is always, like, an evolving thing. And with myself, it's like I always have to pivot. So, like, when I started playing tennis four to five days a week, I was dropping weight, like, at a rapid weight because. Or a rapid speed because of doing so much cardio. I'm working out for an hour and a half to two hours in the heat. You're sweating profusely. And then I come home and, like, jump into work and not eat as much as I should have been eating.

[A]

You under consume calories like crazy.

[B]

And I didn't know that until a month and a half ago when I started eating Carnivore and only doing meat and tracking, like, my calories and my protein. And I was, like, sick at 800 calories a day, and that's way not enough. And so, yeah, I'm on. I'm in, like, the Thick. That's another podcast. So I'm in the thick of it, right?

[A]

Yeah, because we can talk. Well, you're also. She's doing Carnivore.

[B]

Yeah, I'm doing.

[A]

Yeah, that's. And that's a little polarizing subject right there right now with your diet, because everyone's like, wait, what? You'll.

[B]

I don't want to talk about that right now because I would have to, like, go.

[A]

We can tease that. We can tease that for later.

[B]

Okay, let's come back.

[A]

We'll talk.

[B]

I'm eating Carnivore.

[A]

Ready? One, two. I'm eating Carnivore, which means meat. See, I got mine in there, too.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I still think that's a good thing because it's relevant to it. But going back to the whole. The whole.

[B]

We're doing life updates and then the kids.

[A]

That's part of it. I, you know, look, I. I. Carnivore. Yes. Because life. Health is part of life. That's one of the big things people ask about, like, how is your health? How are things going? Why did. It's a why. You know, you asked me, you know, part of. It's like the why of armor. I talked a little bit about this, and we talk about the names, but it's not the why of meat. But, like, your journey often is about, like, optimizing your health and doing things in a way that's going to be best for the long term. I try to take Care of myself. And I do because of. I'll be around a long time for my kids.

[B]

Because you're a lot older than me. Smoke a cigar. It's one more year gone.

[A]

Smoke a cigar. Occasionally. Occasionally. It's not even. It could be worse.

[B]

Think about that. You're 12 years older than me and your man. You guys don't live as long as.

[A]

Look, I'll tell you this. Like, my alcohol consumption has gone way down from what it used to be when we first opened the brewery. It's like you get the slow tick. You got to taste a little bit here, a little here. Next thing you know, I'm having a drink every single day and it's. It gets this like, quickly.

[B]

Oh, great, that's going to be a headline.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

Michael Todd.

[A]

Robert wasn't. I was not an alcoholic. I would. I was an alcoholic. But it's that it's. Even if you're like having these twos, like, I remember was really. I was having a bourbon, watching some show with you, and I'm like, why am I drinking tonight? Yeah, I literally had that, like, epiphany of like, it's a.

[B]

Well, when you say drinking, you think like multiple. He would have a drink small pour and that's it.

[A]

But I'm still having something different. That's adding unnecessary calories. That's not bringing value to it. That's. You do it for relaxation. I don't think there's anything wrong with a drink here to like, create the relaxation. Getting crushed isn't a great idea. That's never. Usually not Many great experiences come from heavy alcohol consumption short term or long term. And we, and we even, we even own a brewery and. But I preach moderation. I even tell people, drink less but drink better. That means drink armor. Hey, that's a headline.

[B]

They're not gonna pick that one. That's a great headline.

[A]

I just made that up now. I just made that right now.

[B]

Well, no one's gonna pick that.

[A]

No, but I do. But I think that. But I like, I don't. I really, you know, occasionally a special occasion here and there, but I really cut it down to like, no, don't drink during the week.

[B]

Well, okay, so that's an update. And then the kids are moving and grooving. I mean that six. Six.

[A]

At least it's super easy right now with. With a middle schooler and, and a fifth grader and a first grader in three different schools.

[B]

I told him that we're not going to talk about them on the podcast.

[A]

We're not.

[B]

No, but like, but they weren't like mad. They were like, do you talk about us? Like, they really wanted the team. And I was like, no, we would never, like, share private information.

[A]

Yeah, we're not going to get.

[B]

Kids are growing.

[A]

Yeah, they're great. Our kids are awesome.

[B]

They're in way too many freaking activities. I always said we were going to be a parent where everyone chooses one activity and that's it. And they're all in multiple. Because I feel like they have to find their thing.

[A]

Look, our kids, I will say more than anything, which I've been very, very, very. I. I've prayed a lot for. This one is the resilient. They have a lot. They. They like, they can adapt to situational changes. They. They, you know, manage this, this strange blip of. Of public awareness which, you know, takes them off. And actually we're very, you know, we want to maintain our private and amenity in certain standpoint.

[B]

Do you know what? Sorry? Do you know what Berkeley said the other day? This just made me so happy because it shows, like, how aloof. Is that correct?

[A]

Yeah, aloof.

[B]

Aloof they are. Berkeley, we were talking about something. She was like, I mean, I wouldn't be mad if I was famous one day.

[A]

And I was like, unaware that you were.

[B]

Yeah, totally unaware. And I love that we've sheltered them from that.

[A]

Well, that's what we want. And look.

[B]

And it's. It just. I was like, oh, I go a lot. You know, fame comes with a cost. It's not what you think it is. And we kind of talked about it. But like, there's beautiful things and there's also other things that can be bad.

[A]

And, And I think you get it gives you being. Being even like you're not. So it's not like an A list celebrity where every person in the world knows you. But you get why those people like don't show their kids faces. They don't involve them all. You get a lot of empathy towards it because even in the standpoint where people will come up and, and look and we always encourage people, if you, if you see Jen, you know, just wave, say hi. Like, it's awesome. Thanks.

[B]

I try to take pictures of my kids.

[A]

That's that happen.

[B]

And then I look rude.

[A]

I'm like, no, please don't take.

[B]

Please don't do that. Like, I've had to say that multiple times.

[A]

Hey, can I take a picture with your. With, with Berkeley? I'm like, nope. But you can.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, you get A selfie with me, if you want. I'm like, you know, you get.

[B]

Was a lady in the airport, and she literally asked to take a picture of me. She didn't get in it. She just took it of me standing there smiling. And then she was like, in your turn. And she went and put the phone on Berkeley. And I was like, no, no, no. Like, in front of it.

[A]

This. I don't think people mean it to be rude.

[B]

They don't.

[A]

They really don't. And I totally don't. But it's one of those minutes where it's just.

[B]

It's just we're not going to let strangers start taking pictures of our kids. And then our kids learn to smile at a stranger taking their photo. That opens up a lot of.

[A]

So we're allowed to have privacy just like any other celebrity. And yes, they put. There's things that you put yourself in. I've heard the argument. Well, you put yourself on social media, so you know what's going to come. You should come to expect that. And there's a standpoint of, like, you do know. That's part of it. There's truth. And you got to be able to manage that. And our kids are awesome with it. But I will say you've done an amazing job and of. Of creating balance and sheltering. Yeah. Me, yeah. Of course I want to be a part of that. I'm not gonna pat myself on the back, but I will.

[B]

Us.

[A]

But we do our best.

[B]

We are great.

[A]

Sometimes they're awesome. I think you're great.

[B]

I think you're great. And I think that's a great place to stop. We were like, ping, ping, ping all over today.

[A]

We've been doing this about 45 minutes now around this thing. Thereabouts.

[B]

Plus, minus, by the way, I called it the random. The jar of random questions. It's actually the jar of weird questions. Dang it.

[A]

Now we're gonna go back and edit the first episode, which we're not gonna do.

[B]

Ah. How do we not remember that? Because it was two years ago.

[A]

How many. How many episodes did we do?

[B]

27.

[A]

Ooh. Where do we. Where do we rank Shameless Plug.

[B]

We. This is what's crazy is we ranked number one in all genres, and then we just deuced out for two years, which is.

[A]

Wasn't all genre. It was family. And it was all. The first week.

[B]

It was all genres.

[A]

That was pretty awesome because I was like, I didn't know that.

[B]

Insane. Yeah.

[A]

Well, you also asked me to even say this last time, so if you are following along, please subscribe. If you're following on itunes or.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Or whatever podcasting. We didn't even talk about the last. But it does help. Subscribe rate it. If you haven't put the five stars on those things, that helps algorithm build.

[B]

You want to put a one star. Maybe Don't.

[A]

No, just.

[B]

Just maybe. Don't.

[A]

Don't.

[B]

Listen, just don't rate it. Walk away. We're fine.

[A]

Listen.

[B]

Yeah, we don't want your one star.

[A]

All right, so you want to do the jar of random. Could do the old ones, the og. Original ones, the two year old questions. And if they're repeats. Sorry, they'll. We'll probably answer them.

[B]

We won't remember.

[A]

Actually, you're gonna go first because you. I asked you first. This one. And you can see on camera these are authentic, handwritten.

[B]

Oh, this is weird. We have not answered this one. What's the weirdest. Careful.

[A]

This may get edited.

[B]

What's the weirdest dream you've had about each other? No, we're not talking about stuff like that. Think normal.

[A]

Well, they're called.

[B]

Okay, give me another question.

[A]

All right, I had. Let me think.

[B]

I don't remember. But I've had some strange ones, but they're always stressful and, like, I have to complete multiple steps in order to, like, get. Survive or get out.

[A]

You. You have dreams where you say, I'm in it, but then it's not me. It's me, but it's not me. And it.

[B]

Oh, like you're faceless.

[A]

Yeah, I kind of didn't want to.

[B]

Share that because what if someone's really big in a dream reading and that means something bad? It's you. But, like, you don't have a face. Well, I think multiple times.

[A]

That's weird.

[B]

But I know it's you because we have life together, but it's like a.

[A]

Blur face you trying to silence me.

[B]

Is that weird?

[A]

Sounds like a horror show. Like, that's. It's like little Mike.

[B]

No, hold on. Final answer for me. I have had vivid dreams of you cheating on me. And I wake up mad.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

And I don't talk to him for like half the time.

[A]

No, you literally tell him.

[B]

I'm like, I know this is stupid, but I'm like, so freaking hurt.

[A]

Like, dream Mike is a dick. I don't like that guy. So this is the thing is, like, I. I want true.

[B]

Those are weird.

[A]

Not me.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It's literally wasn't me. Jen. David. It's not me. So all right. Why did I. I had another dream the other night. I was actually laughing. I was like smiling in it. You woke me up. You said I was smiling or something like that.

[B]

You were. I didn't know you're having a dream, but I look over in the morning, you're like, like sleeping. Fully sleeping.

[A]

No, it was. It was. What were you doing?

[B]

Was I dancing?

[A]

No.

[B]

Singing?

[A]

No, it had something to do. It had something with like. I think it was something about you and Disney you were doing.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

I don't know if it was like you were.

[B]

I'd smile too.

[A]

I had these weird things. Like you were like dancing in Disney. I think it was in our house. But you were trying to re. Like bring Disney to our house. But I think you were like in. In a. In like a costume of some sort. Like, you were like, no. Yeah, you had. It was like you. You had your. Your face on a mini body and it was what it was. It was something really weird like that. But you wanted to bring Disney to her house.

[B]

That makes sense. Tell me more. Was it good? Was I a good performer?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

If I would have known. If I would have known that you could, like, go to do an internship performing at Disney, I would have so done that in high school. I just don't think I ever really knew about that.

[A]

We might have done this one if we had.

[B]

Then redraw. If you.

[A]

I mean, this is easy one. This is kind of a yes or no question. Would you eat something the other spit out half chewed food for money?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It doesn't say that. It just would you eat?

[B]

Well, I want to know the steaks. That's a.

[A]

Well, the answer is yes, because you do it for money. Like. Like how much money?

[B]

Like, if you just spit out beans, I'm like, I'm gonna taste those beans. I'm not gonna do that on a given Thursday. But if you're like, I'll give you 200 bucks. I'm like, give me those beans.

[A]

I have to give you the money.

[B]

Why does it matter where the money's coming from?

[A]

I think they're saying there's some, like, fringe websites out there for people paying people to do that stuff. Let's stay off.

[B]

Because we watched black.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That was a freaking we episode. We did not watch that again.

[A]

I was like, huh? That went dark real quick.

[B]

Would you. You. Would you eat what? I. We're both not grossed out easily.

[A]

I mean, it's your. I mean, I kiss you.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And I eat food. So sometimes if you have food.

[B]

So it'd be like eating and kissing me at the same time.

[A]

Like you kissed your food and then you. Then I ate it. It's like a little love. Yeah, it's a little token of you love beans. Birds survive on mom's eating food. Why can't I survive on your half eaten food?

[B]

And that's where we're gonna end today.

[A]

All right. We don't even know what we're talking about next episode, do we?

[B]

Not yet.

[A]

Figure it out. Oh, there's something big happening next. I totally forgot.

[B]

So big.

[A]

You guys, you gotta tune in.

[B]

You guys are gonna die.

[A]

This one.

[B]

This one is gonna the best of all episodes.

[A]

It's not necessarily the best.

[B]

Oh, it's not.

[A]

It's pretty dramatic and suspenseful.

[B]

You're right. It's emotional.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Some would say.

[A]

Yeah. And then we'll let you know what.

[B]

We'Re gonna do when we figure it out.

[A]

We'll tell you what we're doing at about an hour and five minutes into this episode. Okay, so. Okay.

[B]

Bye, guys. Thank you so much for listening. Until the next in next week's episode, subscribe like, follow.

[A]

We appreciate you guys. It's been fun. Hopefully this episode was a little bit more.

[B]

Yes. Any feedback can go to you, me and Mike. Podcast, Gmail, all written out. So if you want us to talk about a topic, if you have a certain question, you, me and my podcast.

[A]

Yeah. And also if you have questions you want to add to the jar. Random. If you want to send a voice memo, record it on your phone, you can send it over to there. We can seam those into some of the episodes we did that last season. It was super fun. Some of the coolest episodes we have. And we can gather those up and have some strange topics of discussion.

[B]

All right, see you all next week. Thank you so much for watching or listening.

[A]

Thank you for teaching me about Hashimoto's.

[B]

You're welcome.