Ep. 203: Birds Aren't Real and Other Conspiracy Theories

Summary

Podcast Summary: You, Me & Mike

Ep. 203: Birds Aren't Real and Other Conspiracy Theories

Date: September 10, 2025
Hosts: Jenn and Mike Todryk
Platform: Thirteen Media

---

Overview

In this lively episode, Jenn and Mike Todryk take listeners on an energetic, humorous, and occasionally profound deep dive into the world of conspiracy theories—ranging from the whimsical ("birds aren't real") to the foundational and sometimes unsettling (aliens, government coverups, simulation theory). The episode is framed as a “surprise” for Jenn, who is skeptical and logical, contrasting with Mike’s more adventurous curiosity and love for theorizing. Together, their playful dynamic and opposing perspectives create a fun and thoughtful exploration of why humans are drawn to the mysterious and unexplainable.

---

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Conspiracy Theories and Imagination

• Timestamps: 00:00–06:00
  • Mike explains his fascination with conspiracies: "I think they're fun, like, to think about. Is there truth to it or not?" (00:55, Mike)
  • Jenn admits feeling out of her depth with the topic, preferring real stories and factual learning over speculation or fiction:
    “Why are we telling this fake story? Tell me something that’s real.” (01:34, Jenn)
  • A debate emerges between the value of fiction versus non-fiction and the nature of storytelling, with Mike appreciating imagination and Jenn favoring concrete reality.

2. Mainstreaming of Alien/UFO Conspiracies

• Timestamps: 06:01–26:00
  • Mike brings up the recent mainstream attention to UFOs, now called UAPs (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) and references credible sources:
    “You have credible people now... government officials and intelligence people and whatnot right?” (06:47, Mike)
  • Key references:
    • New York Times coverage of Pentagon disclosure, Navy “Tic Tac” UFO videos.
    • Whistleblower David Grusch’s congressional testimony regarding government UFO crash retrieval programs.
    • Harvard scientist Avi Loeb theorizing about passing interstellar objects.
  • Jenn’s skepticism centers on government motives and possible manipulation:
    “What if they’re trying to do it to get funding behind it and then they’re using the funding for something else?” (10:00, Jenn)
  • The couple dives into how faith and spirituality intersect with these topics, discussing biblical references to mysterious beings and free will.

3. Angels, Demons, and Spiritual Conspiracies

• Timestamps: 14:57–27:00
  • Deep dive on religious interpretations: Are angels and demons just another type of “alien” or spiritual being?
  • Mike references C.S. Lewis and philosophical wrestling with free will, the nature of good and evil, and creation:
    “In order to create creation that had relationship…you have to give it will.” (19:19, Mike)
  • Jenn and Mike reflect on personal stories of supposed angelic intervention and the overlap between faith and conspiracy theory.

4. Alien Technology, Tesla, and Government Coverups

• Timestamps: 26:01–33:00
  • Discussion expands to technology conspiracies:
    • Nikola Tesla’s claimed inventions in anti-gravity and free energy, and their government suppression.
    • Bob Lazar’s infamous Area 51 claims, including alleged alien technology and hand scanners.
  • The concept that aliens may be “us from the future” is introduced:
    “What if they’re us from the future?” (32:43, Mike)

5. AI, Neuralink, and Simulation Theory

• Timestamps: 32:54–44:00
  • The conversation shifts to contemporary technological speculation:
    • Elon Musk’s Neuralink and brain-computer interfaces.
    • Fears and philosophical implications of advanced AI and its possible convergence with the human mind.
    • Simulation theory: “Are we in the matrix?”
      “What is [the] matrix? Is this just a computer construct that we live inside with full sentience inside of it?” (39:21, Mike)
  • Jenn is quick to draw boundaries here:
    "I'm done. Nope. I'm tapped out." (41:10, Jenn)

6. Chemtrails and Weather Manipulation

• Timestamps: 41:15–44:44
  • Jenn requests clarification on “chemtrails.” Mike explains official explanations (contrails, condensation) and the real practice of “cloud seeding” to induce rainfall.
  • Confronts confirmation bias: “If you want to find something, you're gonna find something.” (44:00, Mike)

7. Birds Aren’t Real

• Timestamps: 48:03–50:00
  • Mike jokes about the “birds aren’t real” theory (birds as government drones), with both hosts having fun with the absurdity and Jenn providing a grounded counter:
    “Come on. This is crazy. This is where we... we just have to call it what it is. And some people are psycho.” (49:34, Jenn)

8. Social Groups, Secret Societies, and “Realistic” Conspiracies

• Timestamps: 45:01–47:46
  • Brief mention of more plausible conspiracies: secret societies (Skull and Bones), government groups controlling information, and societal hierarchies.
  • Jenn sees these as less far-fetched than alien conspiracy, but Mike notes the overlap between spiritual, secular, and faith-based worldviews.

9. Reflection on Human Curiosity and the Appeal of Conspiracies

• Timestamps: 55:16–End
  • Jenn reflects on her preference for true crime and real-life mysteries, explaining:
    "I want to be curious in things that I already feel and know is real." (55:41, Jenn)
  • Both hosts discuss the balance of open-mindedness with skepticism.

---

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I think they're fun to like, think about. Is there truth to it and not truth to it? And they're conspiracies for a reason.” (00:55, Mike)

• “Why are we telling this fake story? Tell me something that's real.” (01:34, Jenn)

• “In order to create creation that had relationship…you have to give it will. You can't…If you're just creating a robot…it’s not real.” (19:19, Mike, paraphrasing CS Lewis)

• “What if they're us from the future?” (32:43, Mike)

• On birds as drones:
  “They like to be at Sonic to recharge.” (48:34, Jenn, sarcastically)
  “I think birds aren't real. That's fake. I just made that up.” (49:08, Mike—only to discover it’s a real theory with many followers)

• On perseverance in theorizing:
  "If you want aliens to be real, man, you're gonna, you're gonna find a reason to be real." (44:03, Mike)

• Listener engagement appeal:
  “If y’all like conspiracy stuff…please tell me. If you like it, prove me wrong, because I don’t want to talk about this stuff again.” (56:37, Jenn)

---

Additional Fun Segments

Quickfire "Weird Question"

• Erasing one invention from history:
  • Mike: “Kind of wish smartphones were never invented…Nuclear weapons…We have the power to destroy the world right now.” (58:31–59:25)
  • Jenn contemplates the broader impact of inventions on societal wellbeing.

---

Tone & Style

• Playful, candid, and sometimes sarcastic; Mike is the fact-focused, speculative theorist, while Jenn supplies skepticism, logic, and relatable humor.
• Tangents, banter, and “meta-conversations” about the nature of discussing these topics are frequent.

---

For Those Who Haven’t Listened

This episode is ideal for listeners interested in everything from the wildest to the most plausible conspiracy theories, but who enjoy a down-to-earth, relationship-driven approach to heady and controversial topics. Jenn and Mike create a space where no belief is off limits, but everything is open to (sometimes hilarious) scrutiny, and the real fun lies in the conversation itself.

---

Segment Timestamps (Highlights)

• 00:00–06:00: Opening, fiction vs. non-fiction, setting up conspiracies
• 06:01–26:00: UFOs/UAPs, aliens, faith intersection
• 26:01–33:00: Alien tech, Tesla, future human theory
• 32:54–44:00: AI, Neuralink, Simulation theory
• 41:15–44:44: Chemtrails and weather manipulation
• 48:03–50:00: “Birds aren’t real” debunked (with laughter)
• 55:16–End: True crime, curiosity, listener engagement

---

“It’s fun to speculate. It’s fun to kind of talk. I like it because it’s fun to me because you don’t know. I want these things—some of these things—to be real because it'd be cool.” (44:53, Mike)

---

End of Summary

Transcript

[A]

Good morning, Michael.

[B]

Good morning, Jen.

[A]

So this is kind of weird because I have no clue what we're talking about today.

[B]

Surprise episode.

[A]

This is planned by Mike, so if anything is weird or inappropriate, Mike's fault.

[B]

I'll take the blame. I'll gladly take the blame on this one, because what does every good podcast need? What does every. I mean, arguably. Yeah, that's part of it.

[A]

A microphone that.

[B]

Cameras that also. Well, you don't have to have cameras. Podcast. We didn't.

[A]

That's true. Recording device.

[B]

Okay. Conspiracies, conspiracy.

[A]

Anything about conspiracy theories? I'm going to look so unintelligent today. The one where Jen looks dumb or.

[B]

More intelligent because you don't involve yourself into the deep dives of the interweb.

[A]

Maybe, but I know you, like, will know a lot. Okay.

[B]

I don't. You know, it's. It's.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So here's my thing on conspiracies. I think they're fun.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think they're fun to, like, think about. Like, is there truth to it and not truth to it? And they're conspiracies for a reason. And then I. So I listed out, like, 12 different ones, plus a whole other things we can talk about. You probably might not hit every single one of them, but I'm just gonna kind of freeform a few of them, ask you what your thoughts are. I have some notes that I actually overhear, so that way I don't sound like a complete idiot.

[A]

Because you don't get mad. I get mad that we spend so much time talking about something that's probably not real. Like.

[B]

Or is it. That's the point. That's why it's conspiracy.

[A]

Okay, so here's how I feel about talking about conspiracies is like, how I feel about reading fiction books, reading books.

[B]

In general that aren't true stories.

[A]

I'm like, why are we telling this fake story? Tell me something that's real. That's okay.

[B]

I'll.

[A]

I'll. I'll do this for you. Let's do it.

[B]

So you are telling me you don't like to read fiction books.

[A]

Right? It has to be true. Otherwise, why?

[B]

Because it's fun.

[A]

Reading is not fun.

[B]

Because it's imagination. It's creativity. It's all the things like, come on.

[A]

Like, I can do that. Like, organizing.

[B]

I'm gonna say this. Okay. I'm gonna defend, like, fiction is, to me, arguably, like, it's storytelling. And that somebody can create an entire world inside their own mind.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

And. And the dialogue, it's like, so pretty amazing. Like, whether the author's on the top 10 list or just writes a book in general to actually create those worlds and put them out there is pretty. I like it in amazing.

[A]

I like it in movies.

[B]

There you go. You like scripts then.

[A]

Because, like, Harry Potter's good.

[B]

That was a book.

[A]

Right. I know that. I do know that, Mike. Very, very popular. But I do know that. But it's. Yeah. After I spend hours, like, reading a book, I'm like, I just read it, and it's not even real. And it's like, that's a bummer.

[B]

Huh? Not sure. I'm fine. That's a conspiracy.

[A]

And, like, when you read a book that's nonfiction, you walk away truly learning something that's. And exists.

[B]

Yeah. No. Yes and no. Because sometimes those. Those biographies and autobiographies.

[A]

Yeah, sometimes.

[B]

Or they're kind of bs. They're. They're fictionalized.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

You know, like, everyone's telling the best story about themselves or trying to make things. So, like, sometimes I don't like, you know, I. I often find them not as entertaining, because who knows if they're not?

[A]

Totally. I see your point. I see your point. I feel like that's where you really have to gauge, like, especially if we're talking about autobiographies, I go in with, like, this, because I. I really try to, like, hone in on what I think is maybe dramatized or, like, spun in their favor.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

The last book I read was in the beginning of 2023.

[B]

You've written. You've. You're reading the book right now or you're listening. You listen to books.

[A]

Yeah, but I've never finished one. Even listening, I get pretty bored. I'm about to Finish, though. So 2023 is Britney Spears. I don't know if it was a mem. Not a memoir. That's if you're dead. Right.

[B]

So biography, autobiography, autobiography, is written by you yourself. Biography is written by somebody else.

[A]

Okay. I still don't know which one it was, to be honest, but I read it.

[B]

Story about her.

[A]

I actually physically read it with my eyeballs. Wait. Yes. On a Kindle. And there were some things where I'm like, yeah, this childhood is crazy. I could see how this could cause some issues. And there are some other things where I'm like, okay, well, that's her. I'm not shaming anyone. But, like, that's her perspective. There's also other perspectives. That's life.

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

There's not Just one perspective. So you have to kind of think like. Okay, like I, I kind of like that part of it though, because again, it's a real story. So I'm sitting there thinking about something that actually happened or is believed to have happened. Well, anyway.

[B]

Yeah. Look, Kendall. Love them. Best gift you got me at Christmas. It was kind of a random one. Add to me and I've read like nine science fiction books since you've got to me at Christmas, which is pretty. I've been crushing books. I love them.

[A]

Crushing books.

[B]

Crushing books.

[A]

Is sci fi.

[B]

Reading the words sci fi.

[A]

Is it real? Or.

[B]

Okay, think.

[A]

Okay, there could be real sci fi.

[B]

What do you think? 5. What does PHI stand for? You think?

[A]

Oh, is it fantasy?

[B]

No, fiction.

[A]

The title is the one.

[B]

We're doing fiction, but it's science, so there's like plausibility on it. I mean, it's really.

[A]

Don't like, I don't even know.

[B]

It's basically space fantasies or like future fantasies the way to do it. But it's fun. I love them.

[A]

So.

[B]

I love, I love sci fi. I love it. So speaking of sci fi, romance novels.

[A]

Sci fi, what's that? Do you read sci fi romance novels?

[B]

No, there's. I mean, there's usually romance.

[A]

I'm offended.

[B]

Romance seemed into like these things, all these fantasy.

[A]

Two aliens, like, they're not aliens.

[B]

The ones I'm reading right now is about humans. There's no aliens in the series I'm reading right now. I'm reading. I'm reading Red Rising series, by the way. It's awesome.

[A]

Have you read Alien Smut? No, Mike.

[B]

I don't know. No, that's not, this is not. Go read my books.

[A]

I don't.

[B]

We're not going to talk about the books you're reading. So listen, speaking of aliens. So let's, let's like, here's the whole point of this, okay? We're gonna hit the big one first.

[A]

Aliens.

[B]

Aliens. Okay, so there is a lot of discussion right now around aliens, which has actually almost become mainstream to the point where 2019. The New York Times. 2017. 2019. They're. They are the ones like that posted on their, their front page about the, the disclosure from the Pentagon about these Tic Tac videos from these US Pilots. Tic tac. They look like. Tic tacs are like ovular things that move around that they can't just, they can't describe. And these are US Navy pilots that are like first hand accounting. They're seeing things in the air. Okay, 100 said that. And then since then, there's been a lot of disclosure programs and things that the government set up to be able to create instantly.

[A]

How do we know they're real?

[B]

Well, this is the things.

[A]

That's what I'm thinking.

[B]

Well, how do we know they're real? But you also have credible people now, as opposed to, like, back 20 years ago. There's a bunch of, like, fringe people, like, oh, you're wackos. Like, that can't be real. Everyone wanted kind of like the movies. You kind of wanted to be real, but it wasn't coming out from, like, government officials and intelligence people and whatnot. Right. Okay. So all this stuff is starting to come out about, what is it? And now they're not even called UFOs, they're called UAPs. Do you know what that stands for?

[A]

UAPs? Yeah, don't tell me. Unidentified Apparatuses, probably.

[B]

That's. It's exactly right. What? No, it's not. Unexplained Aerial Phenomena.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Or Anomalous phenomena. I've heard it both ways. So anomalous would be. So they're basically. We don't know what it is. That's what the government's kind of demystifying to say. Like, some of the stuff we actually don't know. So the theory is, you know.

[A]

Hold on. I'm gonna pause and tell the listeners here. I will give Mike credit. He knows a lot about most things and it's very random. Now, I'm not going to give you the title of always being correct, because no one gets that title.

[B]

No, no.

[A]

And you're very good about. If you don't know enough or believe firmly what you're saying, you'll say, I don't know much about it, but this is what I think.

[B]

That's exactly.

[A]

But if you say it with your chest, like, and also 10 toes in, you are confident.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I will say he does know so much information, and I don't understand where you store it or how you remember all of it, but, like, I could probably say, give me a fact about sea lions and he could give you a fact, and I would Google it and it would be right. Am I wrong?

[B]

Not really a sea lion.

[A]

The one thing.

[B]

But I do know they're. They're very intelligent creatures. They, you know, they're like the dogs of the sea. Right. You can train them. They're.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I don't really know.

[A]

Like, I could have that. But.

[B]

Yeah, I don't know.

[A]

I was just trying to make difficult. But I will Say so this is like totally up Mike. Sally. He's geeking out right now because I never sit and talk about these things with him.

[B]

All right. So yeah, I mean with this being aliens on these things, I don't have any like none of these. With some of them.

[A]

You have thoughts about aliens, try to talk to me about it.

[B]

Well, no, I go back and forth on like what it could be, what it couldn't be. I have the spiritual aspect associated things because of my belief structures of faith, you know, as a Christian. And there's things that like so do.

[A]

I don't think they aligned.

[B]

We don't know. Me and you, we don't know.

[A]

No we do because we've tried to talk about it and I'm like stopped saying.

[B]

Well some of this is. I'm open minded from a standpoint of like I'm, I'm, I'm going to say close minded. In, in, in certain things I have my, my, our faith structure and beliefs of that that I am like very firm on. But there's things within it that I can say like I don't, we don't know everything we have. I know that the book of the bi. You know, the Bible, it was you know, 200 A.D. and there are books that were taken out and things that were, you know, put in and different things that they associated to it. There's a lot of scripture that's out there that from. Is, you know, from God or. But it's about aliens, no? Well, yeah, there are actually some things about aliens in there. Like Zeke talks about it.

[A]

Here's my question though about maybe aliens.

[B]

Because that may be angels. Right?

[A]

Here's my question about aliens. You said the other day in the car, like we need to study this stuff. So we know in. My response was why 100 we need to. Why. Why can't we just keep living in one day?

[B]

So what.

[A]

So here maybe something will happen. Like why. Why would we spend so much money on that?

[B]

We're not, we're actually not spending a lot of money.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. So here's the evidence to support it. So here's just like factuals. Things that are.

[A]

So how do we know they're facts?

[B]

Because these are things that have come out. Like these are things from people.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

The US Navy Tic tac. So the US Navy Tic tac ufo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Was moving in ways that defied physics that has video evidence of how. So you go ahead and anyone else are you going Google it? It takes one second to watch the video. I'VE showed it to you. I've never shown it to you in bed. And you're like, I don't know, what.

[A]

If it's a made video?

[B]

Why would the US Government make it? No, it's. Oh, good question.

[A]

Don't get me started.

[B]

Why? So what? So it's our technology.

[A]

I. What if the video is just straight up made off of a Hollywood, but it's not somewhere and they feed it and it's all this B.

[B]

So right, right there. That's a conspiracy theory. So what you're saying is that the U.S. maybe because you're saying that the government then would be doing this to intentionally kind of false flag us into something else. Right.

[A]

Like I think maybe they're trying to get. What if they're trying to do it to get funding behind it and then they're using the funding for something else?

[B]

That's. That's possible. We'll talk about that in a second.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Whistleblowers like David Grush, who was a U.S. military intelligence. He was U.S. military intelligence and then he went into like high level security. One of his high level security intelligence gathering that was appointed by the US Government to research unexplained aerial phenomena or unexplained anomalous phenomena. So he was not really doing it. But what he came out, he was a whistleblower and he presented before Congress two years ago, July 25, two years ago. Basically said that there are. He has full evidence of UFO crash retrieval programs, that the government is retrieving crashed recovery technology and we're back engineering them. And he said that in front of Congress. I actually said he has evidence of that.

[A]

I tend to believe. Is he mentally sane? Well, like a normal person.

[B]

Well, that's the thing is. But he's been, you know, the second he came out, there's a lot of things that they try to sort of make him.

[A]

Destroy him.

[B]

Yeah, because he was in Afghanistan. They went in Afghanistan and they're. And they. Then somebody leaked his medical records, which is complete. He's got to be around your age, mid-30s, I bet.

[A]

A millennial. I believe him.

[B]

Okay, so he did that. There's a Harvard scientist, Avi Loeb, exploring alien explorations and there's like a giant rocks and stuff that he's saying these are like Harvard scientists that are these, these giant rocks that are outside the pathway of what normal asteroids would be. That he, he is saying he could be alien aircraft rocks, asteroids. But they don't know because we can't see that far. Now we do have telescopes now.

[A]

Okay, when was this?

[B]

He still has one. There's one right now that he claims could be a. I don't believe this one because I think that one's been debunked. I think it's a comet. But he has one that he said is off trajectory and it's going to pass within Mars in the next two months, like outside of what a normal comet or asteroid would follow. So that's his thing is he's looking at like trajectory pathways and size of these things that would be. Could it be real or not the problem? I mean, it's all. It's all theory. Okay, so then there's the other aspect to it as you go back into like scripture. We talked about the Bible. We talked about even other scriptures. Other. A lot of things to talk about.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Other creatures. Biblically.

[A]

I do, I want to say, I don't know why there wouldn't be other life form. I believe that. I believe there's life form. Like, isn't there like plants and stuff that grow on other planets? Like we found there's other life.

[B]

No, we have no evidence.

[A]

I'm just putting stuff out there.

[B]

They know there's water. There's water on Mars. We know that, but it doesn't mean that there's. We have no evidence. Even single.

[A]

Where would they be?

[B]

Well, that's the question. The universe is nearly nearly infinite. It's not infinite, but it's nearly infinite. Of course.

[A]

So they could be like totally far away on a number of planet that we've never even.

[B]

Yeah. The issue with this is there's a whole theory. Why can't we get out there just with something? What's that?

[A]

Why can't we get out far enough? Why don't we just.

[B]

We have something called limitation of space and time right now. We can't manipulate. See gravity in space.

[A]

It's like, I guess science is not my thing.

[B]

So, Jen, light, like, why don't you.

[A]

Stay on Earth and be cool and be like, hey, we're probably not going to know in my lifetime. And I'm okay with that.

[B]

So Einstein's theory of relativity basically says we cannot travel faster than light. Right? That's, that's the thing is that light is the constraint for speed.

[A]

Why would we need to travel that quickly? Why don't we just go on a space shuttle if it takes 10 years? I'm sure there are astronauts who are.

[B]

Crazy enough to take 10 years. So do you know how long it will take us to get to Mars, which is literally One planet away. No, I want to say it's like 10 months, 11 months just to travel to one. So to get there and back, it would be almost a two year journey. Right. That's why they are like astronauts right now. Their people are putting their hands up. It's like a long journey. It's a major commitment. This isn't like a go to space. And then we talked about the last episode. A buddy of mine that got stuck up in space for a year.

[A]

My worst nightmare.

[B]

Right. Well, anyway, but. But going to another planet is a whole other thing. Like. And we'll talk about the moon landing because that's actually another one. It's like, how did we do that in, in, in the. In 1969 and haven't been back to the moon really since the early 70s. I don't even actually want to last one. People can fact check me in the last one. But it's been forever. We shut the entire program down and haven't been back with technology. That was like, good question.

[A]

Do we see something that we're scared about?

[B]

Right. Maybe. Well, anyway, so. Okay, so the other one. So we talked about scripture on this one. You have, you have things like in Ezekiel, they talk about the fire wheels, which is like saying that angels was talking about cherubims and, and that they appeared in like a wheel form and that were on fire. And that's biblical, right? We, we.

[A]

Are you so excited about this right now?

[B]

It's kind of cool.

[A]

I'm trapped in a room with a microphone and we're talking about all the things you would love to talk about. And I always say, Mike, no. Okay, so I'm not doing this right now.

[B]

But you said so if you're. You say you are a Christian. We're a Christian.

[A]

Right? Yes.

[B]

And do you believe in angels?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so is that.

[A]

I believe in a spiritual realm.

[B]

Okay, so you.

[A]

I don't think that's classified as an alien. I think that's a spirit.

[B]

Right, but is it. But is it. Does it have free will?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Has to.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because demons. Do you believe in demons?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so what are demons?

[A]

Bad people.

[B]

Bad what?

[A]

Bad spirits.

[B]

Bad from where?

[A]

Hell.

[B]

Wrong. Fallen angels. That's what the Bible says. These are angels that have. Because God.

[A]

Well, yes, but now they're not in heaven. Demons are not in heaven.

[B]

Right, but the ain't. Okay, we're not gonna go.

[A]

I don't think so.

[B]

It's all.

[A]

I don't think God's gonna be like, here's Heaven. All of this is yours, child. Don't go in that back corner.

[B]

So, demons. So in order, if you're. If we were created with a will, we have that. We have the ability to choose. We have the ability to look in.

[A]

Interesting. So you view angels as, like, people who are now spirits with this. Like. No, they're not people that free will. Well, could they be people who have died?

[B]

They've just been. They've just been created. It, like, initially in the presence of God. We were not created, so why could.

[A]

They maybe not have free will? And that's a whole different structure that God literally does, like, have control over.

[B]

These angels or these angels, and then that wouldn't be sentience.

[A]

What is that word?

[B]

Ability to like. Like, understand yourself, understand your surroundings.

[A]

What if they're not humans? What if they are kind of. What if angels are literally.

[B]

But that's not scriptural.

[A]

Aliens aren't scriptural.

[B]

Never said. I'm not talking about aliens.

[A]

I'm talking about spirits. Okay, what was the point?

[B]

The whole thing is, is so that if. If you subscribe to the devil and Satan and. Or demons, that Satan was God's. I knew that, like, yes. Like, his. His, you know, Lucifer was the creation that was closest to him. Right. He was his revered angel, and he revoked it from God because he wanted to basically be brought. Be God. He said, why do you have the control? I should. And you know, whole thing. And again, now I'm talking.

[A]

So you're saying that proof of free will.

[B]

It has to be. Yeah. And then. And then a lot of the angels went on Lucifer's side, and those became those that were cast out of heaven, removed out of the presence of God. And those are the ones that now, in absence of the presence of God.

[A]

Do you think it's pretty big? What, like the devil and his demons and.

[B]

I don't know. I don't know the number, but I know it's powerful because. Because angels are great. Like, you know, so C.S. lewis talks about free will and the ability to be good and bad, and he actually kind of like, classified this. C.S. lewis at 1 time was not a believer. He was an atheist. And he kind of went through this whole structure to become a believer.

[A]

I know this name.

[B]

No, lion the Witch in the Wardrobe. Famous author from the 1919s.

[A]

Let's put him in. Like I told you, this is the podcast. It's gonna happen like 80 million times. I'm telling you, I don't read books. Okay.

[B]

Yes, CS okay, so he talked about.

[A]

So literature is not My thing, however, English was what I made straight A's in. And I was in AP classes, which is shocking. But continue.

[B]

So he talked about free will and the ability. Like, why? Why? How could there be the devil? That was kind of his whole thing. Like, why could it exist? Why would God let it exist? Right. Like, and I don't think his intention was to. But in order to create creation that had relationship. To actually truly create a connection, you have to give it will. You can't. If you're just creating a robot and it has no free will, what real relationship can be, really?

[A]

A follower. It's a.

[B]

It's just. It's not. There's no real relationship.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

And that's the thing, you know, like, go. Go to the level of our children. What. You know, if. Yeah. We'd want them to follow. Follow us. Exactly. But at the same time, so easy. It would be. But it wouldn't be fun. No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't be rewarding. You wouldn't create real love.

[A]

No.

[B]

Because somebody's forced to love you. Do they really love you?

[A]

No. You even instantly just think of a relationship as a woman. If a man is with you and you're like, okay, he doesn't really love me. It's kills also. Yeah.

[B]

It's. It's. It's like having a, you know, a doll that you go over there and let you know that loves me. And it's not real. It's not a real thing.

[A]

Could argue that what a man who's in a little bit of a loveless relationship would give you more love.

[B]

It's not real love. No real human connection is. Anyway. So again, we're also pontificating and also, like, obviously projecting. Pontificating. What. What we. What does that believe God wants? And the thing is, is we don't know. But the point is, is this. His theory was. Is this if you have a good dog or a bad dog. Right. How good is that dog? Really good. You love it. Right. How bad could that dog be?

[A]

It could kill you.

[B]

Correct. Really bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. Now it doesn't. That doesn't have true free will, but you can still have it. Talk about a human. How good can a human be?

[A]

Really good.

[B]

How bad can a human be?

[A]

Super bad.

[B]

Like, how bad?

[A]

Like zero.

[B]

Like Hitler bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like even worse in a city here we have millions of people. Right. It's talking bad of the baddest. Right. And that's where you have it now. You have something created. Even on a larger scale. Angels are More powerful than this. They're created in the presence of God with more connection to the source.

[A]

Do they have you Think. Think.

[B]

Well, they obviously are interdimensional.

[A]

Interventional.

[B]

Interdimensional. They. Because they can appear and reappear, right?

[A]

Stop laughing at me, Haley.

[B]

They intervent. They can. They can intervene.

[A]

So, okay, under.

[B]

Under God's presence.

[A]

I said interventional because my cousin Ryan. Shout out to Ryan. She was in a car accident. This is long. Years and years and years ago. Flipped upside down. I can't remember how it happened, but I'm pretty sure the car that hit and flipped left took off. And a lady appears out of nowhere and sits with her the entire time until ambulances come. And in the ambulance, Ryan asked the people where the lady was, and they said, ma', am, when we came, there was no lady here. You're by yourself?

[B]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[A]

Freaky. So I believe that angels can be sent for that.

[B]

Yeah, it's possible. Yeah. Again.

[A]

Which is hard. Again, I'm such, like a logical, like, realist. Like, stories like that are so hard for me to believe. But, like, this is my cousin. Multiple witnesses of being Ryan asking for this woman, and no one was there. Could she have been hurt? And like. Sure, absolutely. But still, I think both can exist. I think you can be, like, unconscious or. And then God can still make a way to comfort.

[B]

I was. I. I was hit with shrapnel in Bosnia. Fast forward, that's a whole other story in itself. But when I was in surgery getting the shrapnel removed, as I was recovering, it was like you're replaying those moments, and instead of the explosion coming at me, and there's a door, there's an armored door that protected most of my body and. But that door was replaced with, you know, with light and just. You're safe. That's basically what it was. That was. That was my reliving that moment, that ideal felt that I had intervention for God. Because there are a lot of stories, things that led up to one second earlier or later. I would have been completely hit with the. With. With the. With the grenade trap. And horrible would have been my. My whole body. So they just got my hand.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because that whole door was literally one second opened up and you just couldn't get your hand. No, I was. Well, I didn't know it was coming. Yeah, we were at ambush, so it wasn't like something that we had. I had any recollection it was going to happen. I mean, now you can relieve those women. Say so that's just your reliving. It's anesthesia. But it was so real. That was there. And that was actually confirmed by the same thing my dad said to me afterwards. He's like, I strongly feel and believe that, that that's, you know, what happened. But he said that independent, me even telling him that story. Basically almost exact same story that he has. Almost exact same, like what he felt had happened. I was like, well, that's, you know, chills and crazy. Like, wow, that's nuts. But anyway, going back to this whole thing about, about this free will, get one step further. If you're given free will of a, of a creature that's even more powerful, which God does say he created angels. Right. Spiritual creatures outside of us.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Right. We are created in his image to be lower but more revered. That's the harder thing about it. We are created below the angels but more revered by God. Which is also where some of the things that people say, that's the jealousy of Satan and all these things come in. It's like, like. But so you have this creature that's even more powerful, that has the same amount of free will.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then at that point, what could, you know, if man can create Hitler, what could an angel create? Yeah, that's the whole thing is how.

[A]

Do you hear from aliens?

[B]

Well, that's something we talked, obviously, but I don't know.

[A]

I'm just like math over here. Okay, so do you think aliens are real?

[B]

I think there's something going on. I think there's a lot of BS out there. I think there's a lot of people that make up fake stories, because this is. I do think that's 100% people like, like they'll jump on that band way and creates a little bit of instant fame, a little bit of opportunity.

[A]

That's where I'm at.

[B]

But there are, but there are so many things right now from an evidential standpoint, they kind of keep getting reinforced and reinforced. Like there's something there. These, like the, the amount of legitimate scientists out there right now that actually believe in this thing, Congress, people that are in, in these things. There's, there's. There's a whole congressional committee right now looking at these, some of these conspiracy theories that, that were appointed and that they're actually saying, yeah, we've seen things too. We can't tell you because they're under, they're under confidentiality, but they're literally saying, there is something there now.

[A]

So some of it, I'm going to say something I do Want it on the record when it comes out that aliens are real and we find them, I'll be like, cool. Like, I'm not saying hard. No, yeah. I'm just saying I'm sure they do. And then when it happens, it happens. It doesn't bug me to, like, go search.

[B]

It's all depends on, like, what they are. Right. And if it is real. So. So I believe.

[A]

What if they're, like, scary killing monsters?

[B]

Then why wouldn't they already be killing us? What are they saying?

[A]

That's what I'm saying.

[B]

There's a lot of, why wouldn't they already?

[A]

And also, even if they're the kindest things in the world, why haven't we seen?

[B]

And also, like, you know, just there's a few things. If they're crashing. Why the heck are they crashing if they're that advanced?

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

There is that.

[A]

See, now we're in my.

[B]

There are some, like, now there's another. There's another scientist, Mary something. I'm blanking on her name, but she has written some books and she's been really involved into this process and very credible. It basically said that the government calls them donations, that they're not actually crashed, that these, these creatures are giving us this technology to engineer. And it. But then you go back to David Gresh is basically saying the same thing, that these things are being like, they're fully intact. They'll find these things fully intact just playing with us.

[A]

Or like Taylor Swifting Easter egging us maybe, Finally. Fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Come on.

[B]

Okay, so. All right, so. But here. So you have this. I do think we have advanced technology. Nikola Tesla back in 1910. ISH. 1905. ISH had said that he had invented anti gravity. And anti gravity is a form of. Of propulsion that doesn't use traditional movement, like, doesn't use fuel to be able to push you right now. It's like Newton's law. Right? Okay, so you have. You have.

[A]

It's so not my podcast. I'm done. Okay, so I'm so bored.

[B]

But this is basically looking at physics in a different way.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We know gravity is a force, and then if you can manipulate that force, then you can actually do something without it that doesn't fuel like you would normally need. Right. So point is, we need this. Well, here's the thing that he said he invented. He also said he invented wireless energy and different things like that.

[A]

Where is it?

[B]

Good question. You want to get it? There's another conspiracy that's not even on this one. Nikolai Tesla Nikolai Tesla. Yeah.

[A]

Well, he's dead.

[B]

He passed. Yeah, he died. He died. So he was the main proponent what isn't the. Wasn't the actual inventor of it, but he was one of the people that actually was able to transmit electricity throughout the world. He partnered with Thomas Edison who had what's called direct current energy, which is like DC in your car. DC energy is safe. Ish. But it only travels a short distance. Alternating current. Point is he invented alternating current. Was able to transmit electricity throughout the world using lines and wires. The guy was a brilliant genius. I think he is from Hungary. I think he was. Anyway. Anyway immigrated in the United States and wildly brilliant. Like wildly insanely brilliant. He invented. Well, he had a. A project with Elon name the Tesla after him. He did, yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Anyway, there was. There was a. There was a towel.

[A]

He was so smart.

[B]

He built this tower in Colorado that was literally that he had. He had basically told his investors that was going to be a communications tower. But what he really was doing was trying to figure out how to tap in the geometric like the movement of the earth, the entropy of the earth to be able to pull energy out of the earth to get free energy and wirelessly transmit that. Which we actually been proven you can do now, but we can't do it as far as he did once this was showing. And I want to say it was JP Morgan, I think the banker. Yeah. Was also.

[A]

I'm with you.

[B]

Super invested in oil and gas who made a lot of money off of energy. Found that out. They stopped the program and tore the tower down. Conspiracy. Right. Like why would they do that?

[A]

Why would they do that? Money.

[B]

Yeah. Can't. You can't. You can't monetize free. Right. So crazy weird things. And then there's a whole thing that kind of happened to him. He got a little wacko. He. I mean he did a little. He got. There's some weird things on it. But point is this. He said he patented and invented these things. He died. The US government came into his. This. This is all proven. Came into soil. Took all the documents and have not released anything. So okay, so point is this. Anti gravitational things. I think we have things that aren't. That we aren't telling people. I. I really do. But I also think there's more things that. But that's where. So Bob Lazar who is like one of the most infamous whistleblowers from the 80s and this dude was. Said he was an MIT guy and worked at this area at this S1, S2. I think is the site at area 51. And a lot of things he said people thought he was wacko but he's been like super consistent on his story the whole time. He only recently said he disclosed because he was afraid for his life and things like that. So it's a whole kind of strange thing. There's a whole new people who research it. But yeah that's so his story about that is, is that's where we have full intact craft out there. And then he was investigating which looked like look like you like flying saucers. They used anti gravitational techniques. We don't know how exactly it works and all these different things. But even things he said he's like, he's like they have these hand readers. He goes, we would go in, you have to put your palm on. And everyone's like yeah that's, that's not real. Well that's. They came, you know, some of the stuff they've now shown some of the things that you'd be able to get in was exactly what he was talking about. Yeah, that confirms some of the things he's saying. So it's like so a little bizarre. Get even weirder. Bob Lazar said he read documents that these aliens that they've actually interviewed him and there's things in there. He didn't personally interview him but he said that they, the U.S. government and people have actually interviewed and have communicated with these creatures and they, and he talks about them being connected to a spiritual realm which is even weirder. It's even coming from a scientist who was you know, there. He's been discredited by the US government saying he wasn't there. But point is is that in the 80s he was saying that these aliens view human beings as vessels of souls and that the whole goal is, is to build.

[A]

I don't need to know this. I'm already afraid at night. I know I don't need to think.

[B]

Is that they're like farming. Well we are.

[A]

I mean my body is a temple.

[B]

No, we are. But that's also. So the point is, is like here's my thing. I, I think it all kind of hurt agree because we know or here's the thing, if we, if we go back to ancient texts and all these things that say that they're spiritual realm. We're interpreting things from people from you know, could be a thousand years ago, be 2000, you know, 2500 years ago that we're trying to interpret things that they have no understanding of. And, and if you, if you, you interpret Alien or a demon or angel or whatever it may be. There's benevolent and malevolent ones. Right. So if the. Even the things from a standpoint. If a spiritual standpoint. Benevolent, kind, good angels, malevolent bad.

[A]

I see number 10 is Avril Lavigne is replaced. Let's go to that one. Can we talk about that one now?

[B]

Man? We got moon land. We got JFK assassination. Hold on, let me go. I know, I know we. This is.

[A]

We could just do an entire Avril Lavino.

[B]

You don't want to do a chem.

[A]

Trip that's like serious. And one that's like more popular.

[B]

You got Denver International Airport.

[A]

You know who I do you know who I. We can save those and do another.

[B]

You got ancient civilization. Oh. Can I give you one more theory? One more of aliens? Yes. Cuz this is a. This is the kind of. The cool one. What if they're us from the future?

[A]

That would be cool.

[B]

Yeah. I mean.

[A]

Okay, I'm with you. That'd be.

[B]

See what I'm saying?

[A]

So like we get to see ourselves in a different.

[B]

Maybe there aren't really aliens. Maybe they're just coming like these are. These are super.

[A]

I don't believe that. But it's more fun to.

[B]

What is AI happening right now? With AI it's like a whole level another.

[A]

It's a computer and I don't get it.

[B]

Right. But it's also kind of like. Also intelligent and almost. Almost like feels like it's real. Right.

[A]

I don't like to talk about that because the fact that AI will probably take over the world is probably going to happen and I don't want to think about that.

[B]

Or that becomes fully integrated into our biological development that we advance so super intelligent that in the future we end up not looking quite like us because we've advanced beyond the AI can be.

[A]

Inputted in our brains.

[B]

That's going to happen. I'm sure it's already being done and not being done. Do you know any. You're about neuralink from.

[A]

Where the heck would I be reading about neuralink? I didn't even know what sci fi meant.

[B]

I'll. This is super quick. Neuralink is a really cool. No, this is. But is this so Elon Musk invented this technology. Not him. His company invented this really cool technology that allows the brain interface to computer without the body. So.

[A]

No, but he's doing illegal.

[B]

No, but he's doing it for paralyzed people that they can. Yes. It. So it's not so it's super.

[A]

Really, really I always say the wrong thing with this kind of topic. Always.

[B]

It all depends on the moral implications of where it could go. Right. It starts with like but where's the line?

[A]

Well so how paralyzed you have to be?

[B]

I see problems but you have full paralyzed. There's these people are fully paralyzed. Can fully interact with cursors and movement and. And I can't remember the name of the first guy but he's playing video games now he's fully paralyzed. Pretty cool. Like he's actually able to interact and have.

[A]

Is stupid. Wicked smart because they just give nothing.

[B]

To do with smart. Okay. All it's able to do is right now interact.

[A]

I'd be like give me the whole chat GBT thing too.

[B]

That's but you. You look at chat GBT. Jen.

[A]

What. What happened in 1985 July 27th. Hello Michael.

[B]

That's. Could you imagine how freaky it could happen? It could. I mean meta is already nothing would.

[A]

Exist because everyone could make everything and know everything.

[B]

It's outsourcing money wouldn't have value. Let's. Let's. Let's pin. Let's pin the AI con because right now AI has the full capability making human beings super dumb because it's like outsourcing intelligence really is okay you think about.

[A]

Don't go there.

[B]

It is. Anyway point is is that technology could exist. There's already going to be these neural implants that's already happening. That's already like moving out. So what going back to the fun the thing to fund me think about what if it's us?

[A]

Avril Lavigne.

[B]

Oh, what if it's us?

[A]

It could be right?

[B]

Then it's. So here's things you said even if aliens are real, I still think they came from. I mean God created them.

[A]

Yeah, I do for sure.

[B]

So. And I think that people have like I can't be because like that's the rigidity of things. It's like sometimes might be dude, don't.

[A]

I agree on that.

[B]

Okay good.

[A]

Let's.

[B]

Amen.

[A]

Amen.

[B]

Love that. All right.

[A]

We're Levine though. Is she missing?

[B]

I think it's so has she been replaced?

[A]

Dumb.

[B]

So when's the. When did the first time you heard this theory?

[A]

I don't know. Probably social media. A few years back.

[B]

I think it was 2015. He came out with some Brazilian guy that. That created this YouTube video and basically showed like he said everyone was Levine. She died and she was replaced in the early 2000s by a look alike named Melissa.

[A]

Melissa.

[B]

Yep. And the evidence was his Fans were citing facial changes, different voice, and her lyrical themes shifted. That's the things that they said. Yeah, she was.

[A]

I'm gonna look up last sighting of Avril Lavigne because I will say she did all of a sudden go to a very.

[B]

Yeah, so I. I brought this. I brought this. You can, you can look on this so you can see the changes. And I want her to be able to figure out if there is actually a change here. Here's your.

[A]

Okay, well, she has an Instagram, but does she ever get on it and like talk? Doesn't look like it now.

[B]

Did you listen to Avril Living?

[A]

This is Quebec City. She's like currently touring right now.

[B]

Yeah, but what if.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

What if she was replaced?

[A]

No, I've seen doubles of like Taylors and people like, how could she sing?

[B]

Is her voice the same?

[A]

There's no way.

[B]

Do you know?

[A]

No know. I don't know.

[B]

Do you? I don't know. Listen, look at the picture. I want you to look at it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Look at the picture and you tell me, is that the same person?

[A]

Yes. People age. Like, she has a baby face. It's round, it's got. She definitely has like more baby fat on her face. But we all do that. Yeah, we all do. If you look at like my college pictures compared to now, like, it's funny how us as women think we age horribly and want to do everything to not age. But if you really look at like colleagues, you compare it. Most women, I think look way better as they get into their 40s. Like I really do. I'm actually my thinking of like more. No, graphic. I mean, like, look, she's a baby. Like I. I think. I think it has been the way it's supposed to look.

[B]

But look at 20, 2011 versus 2007 at the change there. That's a big change.

[A]

One of them, she looks like this.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

And the other one, she's like this.

[B]

Yeah, totally different.

[A]

Totally different.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

That's a weird. Like, you can't even look at the same face structure with that view. I think she's the same.

[B]

I. Do you like her music?

[A]

Do you even know me? Skater boy. Complicated.

[B]

Sing it.

[A]

I know all. He was a skater boy she said see you later, boy he wasn't good enough for her. Berkeley's into that song.

[B]

I love it. I actually. I like your music as well. It's the same person.

[A]

It is. So you do.

[B]

That one's so dumb. I love it though.

[A]

It's so. Well, the same thing they're saying the Same thing with Britney Spears.

[B]

I didn't know this.

[A]

I think Britney Spears is just really, really, really sick. And so she's doing really strange activity and people are like claiming they find like glitches in her videos. She also filters heavily, so filters glitch. So I think there's a lot more for era error with Britney. I think Britney is also Britney Spears.

[B]

Speaking of glitches, there's another theory, another conspiracy theory is aliens? No. Are we in a simulation theory? Are we in the simulation? Are we in the matrix?

[A]

That's dumb. Well, I don't really know what a matrix is.

[B]

What is matrix? Is this just a computer construct that we live inside with full sentience inside of it?

[A]

No.

[B]

So ability. How do you know?

[A]

Okay, if we were.

[B]

Quantum computing is not real cares.

[A]

This is the life we know.

[B]

There you go. I actually read that I want to talk about. I would love to talk. I love simulation theory. I think it's so much fun to talk about. And there are a lot of scientists that it's like, look, we are. If you're gonna model and create something, one thing we do as humans is we, we, we like to do experiments. We like to go back and remodel and create an experiment to find out what could happen. What if this, at this point, there's another, you know, 30, 50 years in the future. AI and quantum computing's like really fully evolved. Quantum computing is wild. We don't. I actually still, I mean I've tried to fully understand quantum computing. That one's really hard to understand and some of it doesn't make sense. Point is they say there's two different particles that can be at two different places at two times and talk to each other. Like actually have reactions to each other.

[A]

Like they have faces and mouth.

[B]

No. And they're not talking, but like they're having like you could be a million miles away and movement of this particle, causality of another movement, another particle. They don't know why there's quantum tying to it anyway. They've somehow be able to make computers to be able to tap into this. And now it's all. Doesn't really equate to anything of value yet. But there's apparently problems that, that solved that it would have taken every computer in the entire world over a million years to find out. And this quantum computer solved it in like five seconds. It's. And they, they don't fully understand how it's working, but it is working.

[A]

So terrifying. Maybe leave it alone.

[B]

Well, point is that understand it. I don't I mean, I'm sure there's Some people obviously are inventing. I have more knowledge of this and then I would ever in my life. But if you tie that and you tie that into AI and you tie that into human connection to it, what if. What if this is just a simulation?

[A]

I'm done. Nope. I'm tapped out.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

There's one more. There's one more that I wanted to talk about on here that I think could be really good. I genuinely don't know what chemtrails are. What are. What is that white line? That's only behind certain airplanes. What are they dumping?

[B]

So. So there's like.

[A]

What is it? It's.

[B]

It's not that they're dumping anything. So there's chemtrails and there's. There's seating. And I'll give you the official aspect of it. Okay, so is it.

[A]

First of all, I want to know if these are actually factual things or if these are things people don't know about. And also, why don't we know.

[B]

But you have seen. You have seen the lines in the sky, right?

[A]

Yes, I texted you about it recently. Yeah, like, Mike, I keep forgetting those are called contrails.

[B]

They're not necessarily chemtrails. So it's. It's basically think about turbulence as you go through. Or clouds. Right. As you're going through, the friction of the plane is creating a trail and changing.

[A]

But it only happens on some.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

So why is it there?

[B]

Good question. Atmosphere.

[A]

So you think nothing fishy is going.

[B]

On, it's just part of the plane condensation. Calm trails happen through condensation in the air.

[A]

Are we talking about the white line?

[B]

Yes, that's the white line. I mean, that's called the contrail. Okay, so the theory is this, to Jen saying there's a chemtrail, and people are saying that jet trails are spraying chemicals in the air. Right. And they're doing chemtrail.

[A]

That's what I'm thinking.

[B]

They're doing it for weather modifications. And.

[A]

Wait, we're trying to modify weather?

[B]

Well, we kind of do it already. Something that is real. That's wild. We do something called cloud seeding. That is real. That we can. We can see the cloud. Cloud. To make it rain. That is a real thing.

[A]

Why would we.

[B]

To make it rain.

[A]

Why would we do that? Because we're like our crops and stuff.

[B]

Sure. Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If you want it to rain somewhere that doesn't have rain and you're in a drought, don't you want it to rain. Droughts are very, very, very problematic, right? So they use silver iodine and dry ice to be able to actually see the cloud. And the condensation comes in, it drops, it creates heavier, makes the cloudy heavier and it drops the rain.

[A]

So how does that work? Do they just see like a big cloud and they're like, dang, this sucker's not tearing open. You should go seed it.

[B]

I've never seated a cloud myself.

[A]

You haven't?

[B]

I know it's weird. I want to. So, but that is real. That is a real thing. And I think that as people, I, I, I, I don't know, I think it's, I mean the, the theory is, and I've seen like, you know, videos and people like, it's a white plane, has no markings and it's going this way and another one crosses it this way and then they're like creating grid lines.

[A]

I've only seen one.

[B]

And then they, and then, you know, two days later there's a bad storm that comes through and there's all these evidential things. But like as people look, you have something called confirmation bias that people have. It's like if you want to find something, you're going to find something. This is the whole thing about like so true.

[A]

Even with health, religion, anything get on the Internet, even always find, even with.

[B]

Conspiracy theories, if you want aliens to be real, man, you're gonna, you're gonna find a reason to be real. Right? And that's the thing is it's, I think to me, if anything, if there's a, if there's actually a lesson on this, it's like, oh, being open minded is okay, but also like not trying to prove your point through a bunch of kind of speculation. It's fun, it's fun to pontificate these and fun to be able to. Is that the right word? Well anyway, fun to, to speculate. Speculate these things, not pontificate. It'd be like me preaching to you, but, but like this would be speculate. It's fun to speculate. It's fun to kind of talk. I like it because it's fun to me because you don't know, I wanted to be, I want the, I want somebody, I want these things, some of these things to be real because it'd be cool.

[A]

What part, what's that cool?

[B]

It's just cool to like understand we don't know things.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So cool to know like why Good, exactly.

[A]

Talk about it.

[B]

I mean, why is there a, why is there a pyramid on Our dollar bill with a floating eye Illuminati symbol on top of it.

[A]

What if the Illuminati. Never mind. I'm not gonna say what I was gonna say. I was gonna say not what it was built up to be, but I also know there's like documents that like, sure show. So it's been like proven what it was.

[B]

Skull and Bones, a secret society that multiple presidents have been a part of and things like that. There's all these like, weird kind of like, is there a secret society? Are there reptilian people?

[A]

But see, that's different.

[B]

Is there another evolution of humans that have existed that live underground?

[A]

I think like. I think like clubs and groups that like people of authority being in. I don't think that's wild to believe. I think that 100 could be part of that.

[B]

So you're conspiracy weird to me, but you're a conspiracy theorist then.

[A]

But it doesn't mean I like ten toes believe that. But like I could see it being a thing. We already know there's like groups and like meetings that happen behind closed doors and like there's some sketchy crap that we already know that to me, that's not as far fetched as in Area 51. We're talking to aliens. Do you see how one like, seems closer than the other?

[B]

But you also believe that there are angels.

[A]

Well, that's more. But that's faith. So that's where faith takes over the.

[B]

Fun thought we just talked about. You just talked about evidential belief. Like, like first hand knowledge of people that said they had experiences.

[A]

Right. So to me I'm like, that tracks.

[B]

Okay, but so why, why can't that. Why, why couldn't somebody's. So a secular interpretation of an angel would be an alien if you didn't believe in. In the spiritual realm.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And you saw something. What are you gonna call it?

[A]

I think they would just say, I don't believe that exists.

[B]

No. What if you had an experience with it? Oh, but you didn't have faith? What are you gonna call it?

[A]

I think a lot of people would have faith after that.

[B]

No, if you don't know, you don't have a faith base of any basis.

[A]

You've just never been known.

[B]

You don't know what?

[A]

Christianity. Okay.

[B]

Not just Christianity. You could. It could be. It could be Islam or Jud or. Or Hinduism. Like everything has a spiritual basis to it. There's a lot of commonalities in the spiritual basis of God entwined that into us for a reason. We seek spirituality for a Reason. That's part of our, our desire to connect with God. That's, that's, that's really. I believe that's part of our. In it, of who are. But if you. Yeah, but if you have something that you don't know how to define it, what would you say? What would you call it?

[A]

That was wild. What a cool story to tell over Christmas.

[B]

Right, but. So all I'm saying is, is like, look, we like you, we interpret things about how we want it from our viewpoint. And I go back to the whole confirmation bias. We believe what we want to believe, we're going to find basis to believe. So it's like keeping open mind and not being like trying to figure it out, force, you know, square pay, growing hole.

[A]

But I'm open minded. It's just I have a limit to how long I can talk about it because then I'm like, okay, moving on.

[B]

So we get another two hours of this podcast. We're gonna go ahead.

[A]

My brain needs a break. We're serious. My brain.

[B]

I got so much more to talk about.

[A]

Has so much, so much to talk about. I think this is good to come back and we can talk about the Denver International Airport another day, honey.

[B]

Are birds real? Are birds real?

[A]

Jen, we're done.

[B]

Our birds real?

[A]

Yes. I'm actually kind of a bird person.

[B]

How do you know they're real?

[A]

I've held one in my hand. I've seen it die multiple times. I think they crash into our window.

[B]

How do you know they're not just government drones spying on you?

[A]

I've seen it bleed.

[B]

It's so obvious that they are government drones. You know why?

[A]

Where People don't believe this.

[B]

Where?

[A]

There's no way.

[B]

Where do birds like to perch? Trees, Power lines. Why do you think they're on power lines and trees and they're getting energy.

[A]

They like to be at sonic to recharge. What?

[B]

They're recharging on the power. Like there's some real ones and some fake ones and the fake ones are on the power.

[A]

Hold on. You're lying.

[B]

No one believes this is a.

[A]

Is it for real?

[B]

Because they're real.

[A]

People believe that, Jen.

[B]

This has been. People know this is real. No, why do you think, why do you think birds crash into your windows? They're trying to spy on you. The drones.

[A]

Like in my car. Do you know what they'd hear right now? Take down, take down, take down, down, down, down, down. They're like, no, move on. This subject's pretty shallow.

[B]

I don't know. I Think birds aren't real. That's fake. I just made that up.

[A]

Okay, you made that up. Haley's saying you did not make that up.

[B]

You like that? It's a good one, Haley.

[A]

That's really popular. There are a lot of people that.

[B]

Think that birds aren't real.

[A]

Birds are drones.

[B]

Birds are drones.

[A]

So you didn't make it up?

[B]

I guess not. I guess I've made. I guess I'm just. I'm. I'm tapped into the matrix. This is what it is. See how we know. This is simulation theory. I just made up a theory that other people have made up.

[A]

Hold on. We're all offend people though. Like how can you think of all birds or drones? Come on. Come on. This is crazy. This is where we.

[B]

Well that's.

[A]

We just have to call it what it is. And some people are psycho. And have you not. Right.

[B]

Have you ever seen a chicken farm? Personally? Yeah.

[A]

My best friend.

[B]

No. Have you? Have you personally?

[A]

Yes. You've been in documentaries?

[B]

No. Have you gone firsthand and seen a chicken slide?

[A]

What do you want to know? I can call Alicia right now. Massive chicken.

[B]

Yeah. How do you know he's not just printing meat? How do you do when he doesn't work for the government and says he's a chicken farmer and they're just printing meat? It's like soil and green. I don't know if you know that book.

[A]

No.

[B]

Soylent Green is people. Spoiler. If you read that book, shout out to 10th grade literature. Mr. DeVito. English made us read that book.

[A]

Which was way too ready. Fahrenheit 1985. Right. And I almost said Quasimodo. And that is definitely, I think the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

[B]

That is.

[A]

The book I had to read. Don Quixote.

[B]

Very different. Quasimoto. I mean, that is.

[A]

I just came out of my brain from like. I haven't said quasi photo since I was maybe 6.

[B]

I haven't read Don Quixote.

[A]

It's so boring.

[B]

It's is anyway the donkey. Does any like something be told? I. I've never read that book.

[A]

I read the Cliff Notes like four different variations. So I didn't have to read the book. I probably read as much as just the book. If I just would have read the book. He was the. He was the. Oh. He was the teacher, Mr. Phillips, that told me I could never write a book if I ever dreamed it was a horrible writer.

[B]

Soylent Green wasn't a book. It's a movie. I'm gonna correct myself. It's Weird how? Like memories. That's another thing I just will get into how memories change themselves. You, like, put something in your mind.

[A]

You think it's Soylent Green.

[B]

Yeah, Soylent Green.

[A]

It's a movie.

[B]

Yeah, it's movie.

[A]

Dystopian thriller.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Of 1973.

[B]

Yes. I saw it sophomore year.

[A]

Is it good?

[B]

I don't know if you'd like it, but it's kind of cool.

[A]

Trying to tell me I'm dumb?

[B]

No, I just don't know. It's sci fi, you know What?

[A]

Sci fi. There's a couple of sci fi's. I hang with you. All the weird stuff. Like Stranger Things. And what was that other one where. The.

[B]

What?

[A]

The thing. The. The sting. The.

[B]

What are you talking about?

[A]

What's the. Like.

[B]

I just want you to keep doing that.

[A]

You know what I'm talking about. The host. The.

[B]

I wasn't the host.

[A]

What was it called?

[B]

Come on, keep trying.

[A]

No, tell me. Strain. The Strain. We watched that.

[B]

That was good for like a. Like a season. Ish. And then it got really like.

[A]

Do you know what? What? We're going straight.

[B]

You like Game of Thrones?

[A]

I.

[B]

You hung with me on it.

[A]

I hung with you because you liked that. I was there for like all I could tell you. All I could tell was having adult relations. With who?

[B]

Which was everyone.

[A]

I was like, okay, he's with her.

[B]

It's.

[A]

She's with her. Well, he's with him.

[B]

In that show. It was literally like you could roll dice and then the relationships would change and everything. It was.

[A]

That was wild. No, the one that I liked the most and I used to remember watch being like, this is the first of its kind, which now I realize it's not, but the Walking Dead. I really liked that at the beginning.

[B]

You liked that one and was only one season. It was like. I can't remember what Net was it. Was that a Netflix? It was one with the like the 1960s, but they were like kind of like in. On a space station.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Right. And then it was only once, but it turned out to not be like. It was a whole. I don't.

[A]

Simulator. Right.

[B]

Kind of. It was a. It was an experiment. Yeah, but that one was. You did like that.

[A]

So good. I like dystopian worlds.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ish.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I could not hang with you on the Silos one.

[B]

I love that show.

[A]

What's it called?

[B]

Silo. I love that show. Foundation on Apple. Yo. That I dig now. That is like deep sci fi. That one gets like. It's like Dune. Dune but you have. You watched Dune? You haven't watched Dude, I just don't.

[A]

Want to think that.

[B]

So good.

[A]

To be honest. I just don't want to think that hard. I want.

[B]

Shout out to Red Rising. Read that book.

[A]

What's my favorite type of show?

[B]

Just true crime.

[A]

Not even crime, I guess. Documentary. It could be about food, it could be about animals. It could be about people. Are my favorite, for sure. I like mystery stories. I like theories about what could have happened. Like, Amy Bradley is missing. Sad but good. The one we just watched about the two girls. Sad but well done. How do you compliment. Like a really tragic story? It was well done. Yeah, it was.

[B]

It's a good.

[A]

It's film. It's well done.

[B]

It was informative. And you learned a lot from it.

[A]

I don't know if I learned a lot, but it was. I don't know. You can't even say entertaining.

[B]

It sounds, you know, you don't want. It's. Yeah, that whole.

[A]

Because it's dead.

[B]

So I don't. That's. That's. I, you know, my. I don't have a big love for true crime stuff because people getting. Yeah, because it's real things. And I don't. And I don't think it's. Personally, I don't like any glamorization of any of.

[A]

No, I get that.

[B]

Like, at all. Like, I don't like it.

[A]

I get that. I like. This is so jacked up because they always say, like, serial killers are always obsessed with serial killers. Makes me look horrible. I'm not obsessed, but I've always found, like, interviews with people who done. Who have done things that are unfathomable. I literally like to hear them talk and be like, yes, that dude has issues. Like, I like to try to find. Like, I like. How do you get that way?

[B]

Well, that's the human.

[A]

It's very interesting to me, but, like, I think it. I think it's because I'm naturally a very. I think you'll say this. On our first date, Mike looked at me and he was like, you ask a lot of questions. I'm very curious, but I want to be curious in things that I already feel and know is real. And I'm not essentially wasting my time hypothesizing about stuff that we don't even know yet.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

So I'm very, like, logical, I guess. I would not have been good scientist. I'll be like, why are we doing this, guys? I would have been the worst. But, like, it in my brain, in my perception, I have to think this is credible and real, and so I want to learn about it versus wasting my time.

[B]

We should get a psychologist on here to be able to interview at some point, because we can talk about that.

[A]

I want them to, like, interview you. No, I want them to, like, evaluate me. I've never even been to therapy.

[B]

Like, you need help.

[A]

You are jacked.

[B]

Okay. We are. In the interest of time. Jen, this has been. I love this. And thank you for entertaining this idea for me and allowing me to have a sort of a random, you know, call it the.

[A]

Y' all please let us know.

[B]

The conspiracy grab bag. Let's call it that. We'll do. If you like. Yeah, conspiracy grab.

[A]

If y' all like conspiracy stuff. I need y' all to put it in the comments that this is your thing, because I'm not gonna lie. I instantly kind of get defensive being like, we have a large demographic of women. They don't want to hear this stuff.

[B]

Come on. He's the best.

[A]

Because that's my perception of not liking it, which isn't right. But I need you guys to tell me, seriously, please tell me. If you like it, prove me wrong, because I don't want to talk about this stuff again.

[B]

If it's not or, you know, you want more. Just hashtag more Mike. Just like the show, there was a.

[A]

Hashtag, more Mike movement.

[B]

All right, listen, I gotta. We gotta go get to finish this. We gotta keep consistent on the podcast. What do we have next? A jar of weird question. Okay, these ones. You want me to do these, or you want me to do the ones that are a little bit tied to this?

[A]

Do the ones that are tied.

[B]

All right, you pick a number. One to 15.

[A]

Seven.

[B]

Seven. Oh, this is interesting. Okay, if you could erase one invention from existence, what would it be?

[A]

Hold on, let me think.

[B]

Yeah, it's an interesting question.

[A]

Invention.

[B]

One invention. Something that was never invented. I know what mine is.

[A]

I mean, what if we. This is the thing where I'm like, okay, what is something that does a lot of harm? Like, I would. I instantly go to, like, how do we make the world a better place? So say, like, the obvious is like, what if guns were never invented? But then that would change the whole history of the wars. What would that look like?

[B]

We'd have lightsabers.

[A]

But then. But then I know, or I believe in my heart, all that crime will still happen, just with a different weapon. Do you know what I'm saying?

[B]

Yeah. I mean. Or, you know, that doesn't mean that bombs don't exist. So like here's the. Here's the obvious. I don't know. What do you think? Just two things. Just two things from a societal standpoint. Like okay, current right now. Hot take. Kind of wish smartphones were never invented.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

I like the Internet's fine. It's just. It's like going back to 2007.

[A]

Totally agree.

[B]

Right. Because it's just. It's the tie. Right.

[A]

And even if social media existed, you could only access it.

[B]

Right. Yeah. It's. It's craziness. It creates barriers. It creates a little barriers. Creates a little separation.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

You still have advancement technology now the bigger one. Better for society. Nuclear weapons. Not necessarily nuclear power. I guess. Nuclear. Nuclear. I'm very pro nuclear energy. Like okay, call hot take for me. Super pro nuclear energy. I think it's the only way we move forward. Controversial a little bit because.

[A]

Cut it out.

[B]

Charity a little bit. But it's. But it's. That's my belief on it. And then I can. I could talk a lot of reasons why.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think it's.

[A]

It's not now.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Anyway, you've already hit it now the.

[B]

But with. With. Yeah. Nuclear weapons. I mean that's literally. We have the power to destroy the world right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's kind of scary.

[A]

That is scary.

[B]

And it's like you're right. Limited. A few people that control those and that's even scarier.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So.

[A]

Well, on that note.

[B]

But short. Short. The short answer. One of those. It's like. It's weird that I'm in a weird. I'm comparing smartphones to nuclear weapons.

[A]

No, I think it's telling.

[B]

And I'm still in.

[A]

It's telling from a different perspective. Like a different way of control and distraction. For sure.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm over here. Like, I wish cheating and infidelity never existed.

[B]

That's not an invention.

[A]

I know.

[B]

But I probably existed very early.

[A]

Never. What if it never. Like I. Your answers are so much better than mine.

[B]

That's not true. I like your answers.

[A]

I can't wait to talk about something.

[B]

Girly because I'm in. Let's go. We can talk T. Swift. I don't mean please don't.

[A]

Would you really.

[B]

I don't know much.

[A]

I don't know much either. I'm not a so true fan.

[B]

Thanks for following this podcast along. You, me and Mike. Follow it on all your favorite platforms. Apple, Spotify, anywhere you can get podcasts. If you don't follow, please follow along and rate this 5 stars if you want. And as we always say, if you don't like it, just don't listen.

[A]

Thank you all so much. Have a great week. Bye, guys.

[B]

Bye.