Ep. 204: How Did We Get Here??

Summary

Podcast Summary: "You, Me & Mike"

Episode 204: How Did We Get Here??
Date: September 17, 2025
Host: Thirteen Media
Hosts: Jenn Todryk (@theramblingredhead) & Mike Todryk

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Brief Overview

In this wide-ranging and delightfully off-the-cuff episode, married hosts Jenn and Mike Todryk pivot away from their usual structure, bouncing from relatable married-life anecdotes to personal quirks and eventually into the weeds of conspiracy theories and faith. While ostensibly picking up on “part two” of a popular conspiracy theory discussion, much of the conversation detours into fun marital banter, quirks, and big-picture musings on belief, curiosity, and skepticism, before touching base again with ancient history, the Denver International Airport, and the Illuminati.

The episode is lighthearted, authentic, and often hilarious—perfect for listeners who enjoy a spontaneous, realistic window into a married couple’s unfiltered conversations as they debate topics from periods and lost ketchup to lizard people and spiritual gifts.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Marital Banter & Daily Life Quirks

• Period Talk and Patience:

  • Jenn and Mike open the episode with playful banter about energy levels and Jenn’s “period brain,” leading to a candid discussion on how Jenn’s patience for Mike’s inability to find things (e.g. in the fridge) disappears when she’s menstruating.

  • Jenn coins the term “look with your lady eyes” for how she searches for things versus how Mike does, and shares a humorous anecdote about slamming mustard on the counter in frustration (West Point/ketchup story at 04:15).

    “Find the gay chop… look with your lady eyes.” — Jenn, [02:02]

    “I might not be able to find the ketchup on the middle shelf, but at least I know what West Point is.” — Mike, [06:28]

• Memory & Auditory Processing:

  • Mike reveals he has a mental block for remembering song lyrics—even simple songs like “Jingle Bells”—but can recall the beats, context, and emotions around the music.

  • They conduct a live “ChatGPT diagnosis” to seek an explanation, leading to laughter and a dive into cognitive styles.

    “He cannot remember a single lyric to any song… but he recognizes the beat and what the song is.” — Jenn via ChatGPT, [14:11]

    “If his brain prioritizes patterns over language in music, the feel of the song sticks but not the words.” — ChatGPT, [15:21]

  • Mike attributes his skills to high pattern recognition but low verbal recall; Jenn confesses she can memorize anything set to music.

2. Grooming, Beards, and Family Preferences

• Beard Preferences:

  • Jenn discusses her preference for Mike’s beard being tidy rather than long (“rugged clean”), and shares a story about their daughter disliking when Mike shaves clean (Berkeley cries when he removes facial hair at [20:00]).

  • They reflect on aging, going gray, and genetics for hair/beard color.

    “No, I do not like a clean-shaven face.” — Jenn, [19:16]

3. Personality & Neurological Quirks

• ADHD in Adulthood:

  • Jenn and Mike discuss findings and self-management of ADHD, agreeing that Jenn tends toward task-switching and hyperfocus but always completes her self-defined tasks—even if not on the expected list.

    “You bounce around tasks, but you finish things.” — Mike, [24:00] “I still think it's a superpower. I really do.” — Mike, [25:19]

• Household Messes:

  • Light-hearted banter on Jenn’s habit of leaving coffee cups or cereal bowls around and Mike’s structured method for clothes piles.

4. Conspiracy Theories: The Denver International Airport

• The Illuminati Headquarters Theory:

  • They dig into the conspiracy theory about Denver International Airport being a secret Illuminati HQ, referencing weird art murals, Freemason plaques, underground tunnels, and the infamous “Blue Mustang” (aka “Blucifer”) statue.

  • Jenn is bemused and mildly disturbed by the murals, reading from sources to confirm detail and lore ([31:01]); Mike provides background on the horse sculpture and lizard people myths.

  • Both agree the art’s weirdness is likely an over-the-top attempt at provocation or publicity.

    “Why is there a blue horse with red glowing eyes at an airport?” — Jenn, [32:27]

    “They've leaned in… their signs say, ‘Pardon our mess. We have a lizard people problem.’” — Mike, [48:10]

5. The Illuminati, Secret Societies, and Manifestation

• Illuminati Origins & Pop Culture:

  • Mike offers a brief factual history, clarifying the Illuminati was originally a society promoting science over religion, not just a “devil cult.”
  • Pop culture ties—Beyoncé and Jay Z, etc.—are referenced.

• Manifestation & Faith:

  • Jenn expresses skepticism over “manifesting” as a trend, preferring to attribute success to faith and action.

  • Mike draws parallels between manifestation and prayer/faith in Christian practice, while stressing that, for them, spiritual success is not self-created but God-allowed.

    “You didn't manifest crap. God did that.” — Jenn, [43:01]

    “I actually look at that [faith] as a gift.” — Mike, [44:03]

6. Ancient Civilizations, Human History, and Aliens

• Ancient Technology & Biblical Mysteries:

  • Mike posits that human civilization is likely much older and more complicated than assumed, referencing biblical stories of giants (Nephilim) and ancient cataclysms ([54:26]).

  • They briefly discuss the idea of ancient advanced societies, Peruvian “alien” mummies, and how myth/history blurs over millennia.

    “I think the history shows that there’s more going on… there’s a longer history than we think.” — Mike, [55:56]

• Fun with Conspiracy Theories:

  • Mike engages the fun side of conspiracy culture but remains cautious, emphasizing he only really entertains those with potential scientific basis.

    “I just think it’s fun to talk about… I actually just want to look at things that have scientific basis to them.” — Mike, [59:00]

7. Government, Power, and Corruption

• Which Conspiracy is Most Believable?

  • Jenn candidly admits she finds coverups and government manipulation most believable—not because she seeks drama or paranoia, but because she’s “an enthusiast living in the moment” and isn’t easily shocked when stories of control and money surface.

    “It doesn’t take a lot to convince me when government covers stuff up.” — Jenn, [61:16]

    “Follow the money, you’ll follow the decisions.” — Mike, [61:44]

  • They discuss human selfishness as a root for much corruption.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I might not be able to find the ketchup on the middle shelf, but at least I know what West Point is.” — Mike, [06:28]

• “He cannot remember a single lyric to any song… but he recognizes the beat and what the song is. Why?” — Jenn via ChatGPT, [14:11]

• “You didn’t manifest crap. God did that.” — Jenn, [43:01]

• “Faith is your gift… no matter what, you always trumpet with ‘yeah, God did that, you didn’t do that.’” — Mike, [43:43]

• “Why is there a blue horse with red glowing eyes at an airport?” — Jenn, [32:27]

• “They believe a lot of leaders are actually lizards.” — Mike, on the lizard people conspiracy, [48:44]

• “It doesn’t take a lot to convince me when government covers stuff up.” — Jenn, [61:16]

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------| | 01:04 | Introduction to today’s loosely-structured episode | | 04:15 | “West Point” ketchup/marriage anecdote | | 07:51 | Mike’s inability to remember lyrics/Jingle Bells demo | | 14:00 | Live ChatGPT diagnosis on Mike’s lyric memory | | 19:16 | Beard preferences, facial hair stories | | 24:00 | ADHD discussion, hyperfocus, and task-finishing | | 29:03 | Conspiracy theories — Denver International Airport | | 32:27 | Discovery of “Blucifer” blue horse route | | 41:38 | Mike’s 3x5 card “type of man I want to be” exercise | | 43:01 | Jenn: “You didn’t manifest crap. God did that.” | | 48:10 | DIA leans into “lizard people” conspiracy | | 54:26 | Nephilim and biblical mystery discussion | | 59:00 | Mike’s thoughts on which conspiracies can be true | | 61:16 | Jenn: Government coverups are the most believable |

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Tone and Style

• Authentic and Candid: The hosts openly share quirks, beliefs, and poke fun at themselves (and each other).
• Playful & Light: Even as they touch on heavier or more serious conspiracy and faith topics, the tone remains warm, humorous, and accessible.
• Thoughtful but Unscripted: The episode flows naturally, with tangents embraced rather than avoided.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect sampler of the Todryks’ dynamic: real married talk, spectrum-spanning topics, and easy, often irreverent, always loving rapport. If you want a funny, honest take on how couples actually talk about everything from mental quirks to the Illuminati (with a generous helping of “did you really just say that?”), this is your episode.

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Final Note

This episode is aptly titled "How Did We Get Here??"—a fitting reflection of its charmingly meandering but always entertaining approach, reminding us that some conversations are best when they’re allowed to wander.

Listener tip: For a deep-dive on faith or conspiracy theory, watch for future episodes where Jenn and Mike promise to return to those juicy topics!

Transcript

[Jen]

Good morning, Michael or good afternoon. Or good. That is true. It is the afternoon. I haven't had an afternoon coffee in a long time.

[Mike]

I need one today. I've.

[Jen]

I forgot to drink my glow. So this is it. This is what's pushing me through.

[Mike]

We'll take some armor. Nothing wrong with that. Armor. Coffee. Shut up.

[Jen]

Coffee.

[Mike]

I was. Yeah, I needed. It was one of those days. I was tired this morning.

[Jen]

Yeah. Mike came out to me right before we got here and he was like, slap me. And I was like, feel like this is a trick. But I reared back.

[Mike]

But you closed fisted. It was hard and it woke me right up.

[Jen]

Like, what's going on? But anyway, I'm glad you're a little.

[Mike]

I didn't sleep great last night.

[Jen]

Yeah, I see the life brought back.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's good. But, you know, here we are. I got it. You know what? Actually, I do feel better. It was just. It was. Part of. It was you wake up. We've all had those days where you wake up. Got the kids at school. I was feeling just bleh. So I didn't even get my workout in this morning. Which is also part of the problem.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And then right to it. And then I was in front of the computer the whole morning. And it just puts you in this, like bl. I hate those days. But you got. Sometimes you got to do it. So I'd rather be here. Anyways. This is awesome.

[Jen]

Yes.

[Mike]

Thanks for doing this.

[Jen]

It's a good. So the conspiracy theories. You had a ton. So we're gonna do part two. I'm actually kind of excited about this because I don't know, I felt like I. I was on my period when we first talked about it, and I feel like I was bleeding out some brain cells. I felt dumb. So I'm really. I'm not anymore, guys. I'm good. So I feel like. Okay, wait. So let's talk about periods for a second. Well, why not? This could be a whole episode. But let's just dive into this.

[Mike]

This is honestly what's on my to do to talk about today.

[Jen]

Yes. So Mike and I. I actually shared this with him like pretty. Not long ago. Pretty recent. Where I said, okay, here's the deal. I'm not. I'm not on my period. It's my.

[Mike]

Would you say Mitchie? It's with an M. Mitchy.

[Jen]

I'm not Mitchie on my period.

[Mike]

That's the word.

[Jen]

My patience level. For you to act like you are not able to do something like find ketchup is Non existent. And so we're in normal life. I'm like, oh, my sweet little man. Like, I'm now like, find the gay chop. And Mike goes, I. I remember telling me, telling you that recently, and I was like, I. I Finally, after like, 13 years, 14 years of marriage, I now put that into why I get irritated in certain things. And so, so I've said to Mike, look with your lady eyes if he can't find it. And God bless him, a couple months back, he had the refrigerator open. He goes, okay, I'm sure you're gonna come over here and find it, but I've looked with my lady eyes, and I still can't find whatever it was. And. And I came over and it made me, like, super nice about it. I don't know why, but the communication of you being, like, desperate and saying you. You looked with your lady eyes, like, softened me.

[Mike]

Part of the problem is that was a good place. Things get moved all the time, and they're.

[Jen]

They're still in, what, no feet.

[Mike]

They're supposed to be in a certain spot. And when it gets moved into something and like, since why would it get tucked into the back of the fridge, under the corner, behind the eggs, underneath. It doesn't make any sense, right? It's clearly.

[Jen]

The thing is, what's wild? This has happened, like, two days ago. It's that one shelf that's eye level. It's like a black hole. I kind of want to crawl into your brain and see what you see, because you'll find things that are higher or lower, but if it's dead smack on that eye level shelf, you can't see it.

[Mike]

Maybe this is a whole conspiracy in itself that you guys want to talk about. Maybe. Maybe we do it on purpose.

[Jen]

Do you remember?

[Mike]

Okay, I'm don't find things on purpose.

[Jen]

Okay?

[Mike]

Stop asking us how to find things.

[Jen]

Well, it doesn't end well for you. It's not like we just never let it go. Okay, I'm outing myself because this was one where I was like, it was borderline, a little. A little aggressive. Do you remember the day I'm sure I was on my period. You couldn't find. I'm serious. It's always something in the fridge. And you were saying, it's not here. And I went over and I grabbed. Say it's the mustard. And I slammed on the countertop and I said, west Point. You went to West Point? And I turned around and walked off. Do you remember that day?

[Mike]

I actually don't. It didn't have Any impact? Because it happens all the time.

[Jen]

Can you see Mike? He's like, yes.

[Mike]

Couldn't find it. Like, thank you for finding it.

[Jen]

That was probably a time I was on my period.

[Mike]

Yeah. That's not common, though. You don't. You're not, you're not. But the patience is irritable like that all the time.

[Jen]

Maybe I'm just starting to identify it because it's just how I started feeling, but I feel like the patience for that kind of stuff is like, when I'm on my period, it's non existent. Like I'm just like, find it, you know, Like, I'm not saying it's a good thing, but I think, well, how.

[Mike]

What are you going to do to work on that?

[Jen]

I think I'm going to train you better on how to find crap. And then that. And then that way you can.

[Mike]

Would you point to Haley?

[Jen]

She's nodding. She's nodding her head back there.

[Mike]

Okay, so this is a universal thing you're saying 100%.

[Jen]

It makes. No. It's like y' all are. Okay. Like, looking unintelligent to find the cat.

[Mike]

Has nothing to do with intelligence. Do you want to talk about intelligence? You didn't know what phi meant. Last week on Sci Fi. So we can go there. All right. So we can talk about intelligence.

[Jen]

And all in the words of my friend Alicia, oh, I don't know anything about that dork crap. That's what she goes. That's what I would have said.

[Mike]

Well, you didn't say it, so there you are. But you know, there's plenty of things.

[Jen]

Just hilarious.

[Mike]

But small technical school in upstate New York.

[Jen]

Okay, I asked for that. I signed myself up to get called out for that.

[Mike]

A fun fact. May have said it before Jen thought we did. My.

[Jen]

We already said that in season one.

[Mike]

College I graduated from was a small technical school. Community college, in fact, is what she told her parents in New York.

[Jen]

No, no, I said, I think I couldn't remember the name. And I go, I don't know. I think it was.

[Mike]

I'm not saying again, this isn't like a. Like, I went to West Point. I. I went to the university. I went to West Point. United States Military Academy.

[Jen]

Super proud of.

[Mike]

No, but it's not like. No, I'm saying this from a stand. Standpoint. Sure. Thank you for saying that. But there's a. You should say but even with a standpoint, there's. There's like so much history associated to it. There's so many presidents and generals and, and like yeah. You know, if you took a u. S. History class, you generally know what west point is, and that was a.

[Jen]

Dig, and that was me.

[Mike]

So I not. I might not be able to find the ketchup on the middle shelf.

[Jen]

But at least you know it was.

[Mike]

But at least I know it was. There you go. Knuckles.

[Jen]

No, no. I. I don't know how I missed that, but I will say I don't have military in my immediate family, so it wasn't something talked about where you guys talk about it a lot.

[Mike]

On your side, did you study the. The revolution USA I'm sure.

[Jen]

Like, I remember seventh grade studying. No, wait, that's not Texas history. That would have nothing to do with it. So I don't know when I would have. I'm sure we did.

[Mike]

Now that I remember the civil war.

[Jen]

But, Mike, I don't retain that stuff.

[Mike]

True. You know that with history, it's probably in and out. I don't remember. Not relevant to me.

[Jen]

Yeah. For the test.

[Mike]

Makes sense. Yeah. Everyone I. That makes sense.

[Jen]

But. Yeah. I've never heard of anyone going to even West Point. I don't know a single.

[Mike]

Like, I don't.

[Jen]

1.

[Mike]

One piece of knowledge I don't retain much of is, like, art history. I like art quite a bit.

[Jen]

Me too.

[Mike]

Or one thing I have zero retention of. And it is literally. I think I have some sort of auditory issue. I cannot remember lyrics.

[Jen]

Yeah. Our music.

[Mike]

I can't even hear them. It's almost like I become completely deaf, y'. All.

[Jen]

I'm not talking about, like, he doesn't pick up on, like, pop songs. I mean, like, the man probably can't sing all the words correctly to jingle bells. I'm not kidding.

[Mike]

I can do that.

[Jen]

Even the not popular parts.

[Mike]

I could do that. I can sue jingle bells because I. Because it was repeated at chorus, but I can. Yeah. Anyway, long story short, is jingle bells jingle all the way now.

[Jen]

What?

[Mike]

Oh, what fun it is a jingle bells, jingle bells jingle all the way of fun it is to have.

[Jen]

I told y'. All.

[Mike]

Wait, I know this. Hold on.

[Jen]

Come on.

[Mike]

I'm not gonna do this right now because I'm on the spot.

[Jen]

No.

[Mike]

Also, I want to single bell. It's not my fault. So like, a hymn I can have, like, how can I have, like, crazy retention reading, but I cannot remember lyrics. It's wild.

[Jen]

That is. That's.

[Mike]

I literally think there's something wrong.

[Jen]

More like crazy than me not knowing what west point was.

[Mike]

Yeah. But it's not like I want to.

[Jen]

I would love to know what West Point was, but I just kind of forgot.

[Mike]

Do you think I don't want to remember lyrics? Everyone wants to remember lyrics.

[Jen]

Just try really hard.

[Mike]

Jingle bells I don't. We're not doing. We're off the jingle bell thing, though. That's all people that the audience is tuned.

[Jen]

What fun it is to ride In.

[Mike]

A one horse open sleigh it's easy.

[Jen]

So you just need that one word. But that's wild that you don't know that.

[Mike]

Dashing through the snow In a one horse open sleigh.

[Jen]

Next.

[Mike]

That's.

[Jen]

What's the next word?

[Mike]

That's the lyric.

[Jen]

It's wild. I'm telling you, I've never met anyone. You truly don't know words.

[Mike]

I do know words.

[Jen]

And you're so smart. It's like that part of your brain. It's like you use too much of this.

[Mike]

No, I don't. I. I just. It's. I actually have a harder time and where you probably have an easier time. If you were to put, like, a scientific equation to a song, you would actually remember it. You'd have no idea what you're saying, but you'd be saying it. Whereas I have to have it. If it has music behind it, I'm less likely to hear the words. It actually makes it harder for me to do. Now. Strange. If I hear, like, I'm. I mean, I actually like EDM music, but I listen to music without words.

[Jen]

Oh, I know. You blare it, like.

[Mike]

But then I can actually think and study and then I can memorize. But it's like the music and the words have to be disconnected. And when the words become into it, it, like bl. Blends into the actual. Like, what's the. Like the actual music behind it.

[Jen]

So when I was in college. It's so funny you say that, because.

[Mike]

That was one, by the way. There. There isn't. There is a syndrome associated to this, just so you know. It is. Yeah, it's like auditory. Auditory deafness. There's like a certain disconnect of it. So. Yeah.

[Jen]

Well, I don't know if it's a.

[Mike]

Syndrome or whatever it is. I'm not giving myself a diagnosis. But there is.

[Jen]

There's something clearly. Sure. Well, so I. Exactly what you said. Memorized by music. I very much have that musical gene. I was a singer. I did musical theater. And. And so what I would do is I would take popular songs that I knew every single word to. And I remember one, my freshman year was Me and you by Cassie. It's me and you Are you ready? Think I'm gonna make a move, baby Tell me how you like it Tell me how you like it. Okay, so I would take those songs and I would be like, you subtract the 7, 2 on the right side, then we gotta drop. I literally would make those songs and I would memorize it. But the problem was, is I would do good on the test and I'd forget it a month later. Do you see what I'm saying? So it's very short retention. My brain. I couldn't remember the long. Whereas, you see.

[Mike]

But that's not really learning.

[Jen]

I know you retain more info versus, like, why I can't tell you much about wars, which is not great.

[Mike]

It's not about me. Yeah, because that's you. It's not just about learning wars. But I think I don't know a lot of.

[Jen]

I don't remember history.

[Mike]

Part of it is I do reading comprehension and retention of knowledge. I have a very high retention of it. You do, but it's not. But it's also, I think, partially because I've had to force myself to learn in a way that. That probably was. Weirdest thing is I can actually remember, like, if somebody has a conversation. I. I have no issue with, like, conversational skills or reading things. It's literally just when music is overlaid on it. I think it's a meaning.

[Jen]

I think it's also like a meaning. Like, you are an intellectual. So, like, in history. Are you telling me that you never found that interesting? Because I think you probably found it interesting. So you listened and then you retained sounds like that.

[Mike]

I think songs have a harder thing. It's like poetry as well. There's often no. And sometimes there's no actually like, auditory connect to it. It's like a lyric isn't really connected to the next lyric.

[Jen]

Careful. Because I think a lot of artists.

[Mike]

Well, they have meaning it. But it's like I said, it's like poetry. Yeah, poetry sometimes itself. There's a. There's a larger meaning to it. But, like, the words don't always connect up.

[Jen]

A next hot take. What I actually think probably is going on with you is I wonder if the beat is overriding words.

[Mike]

It does.

[Jen]

The words are too fast and you hear the beat and you're a very big beat. Beats person. That's why you like the edm. And so your brain is honing in on one.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jen]

You're not a very strong multitasker. So I wonder if your brain is Honing in on one thing.

[Mike]

It's probably. I mean I. I could see something to that because I'll hear the music and then of course I can remember the. The hooks to things like the chorus line, you know, like the things that repeat over. Sure. Yes. What the hook could be.

[Jen]

Oh, what's the next lyric?

[Mike]

Oh, that's the. It repeats it.

[Jen]

See, I don't need to hooking this be. All I need is a track in the back.

[Mike]

That's exactly right. It's weird thing about Jen is that she'll sometimes start singing songs of songs she hasn't heard in 30 years and she'll say to herself that she'll go, I don't know why I know these words. Not even know. I don't even know the words until I'm singing it. Which is bizarre because your brain's like a computer storing something that has like. And it's just coming out and you have no knowledge of like that prior to the music.

[Jen]

Well, I think where you have the beat knocks out the words. I think the beat guides my remembrance of the words. So like I'll get two notes. Like, I'm really good at music. Bingo. So we can drop like two beats and I'll be like, I don't. Why can't I think of the song right now? I don't know. I'll think of the song instantly. Jingle bells, like real quick.

[Mike]

There's something too. I promise.

[Jen]

Jingle bells.

[Mike]

I promise you. There's probably some. I. What kind of.

[Jen]

Where did we get here from? Periods.

[Mike]

Well, and conspiracy theories. It's a whole different. We have all these. All these things that are going on. Poor night's sleep, to your periods to irritability to. Now auditory. Auditory processing issue. That's what it is. That is what I. That's what. That's what the word I was looking for. So it's auditory processing issue. So who would it would like an audiologist be? The person that would be the one that would know that you Google team. Okay, well, you can do that as we do that. I guarantee you there. There are people out there that are listening auditory processing issues connected to music.

[Jen]

I'm gonna have chat.

[Mike]

It'd be music.

[Jen]

I know I'm gonna have chat. Gbt. Diagnose this. Don't talk because I'm gonna do voiceover. Okay.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jen]

My husband is an extremely intelligent man, period. He went to West Point, period.

[Mike]

And Goodlo.

[Jen]

Okay, he's handsome, period. But for some reason he cannot remember a single lyric to any song. Dot, dot, dot. He will recognize the beat and what the song is. But even if he's heard the song for 40 years, he does not know the words period. Why? Question mark.

[Mike]

Do you know what's weird about this? Before Ghost. Do you know what's weird is I will remember when I heard the song and where I heard the song and the emotion behind the song. I just don't know the words.

[Jen]

Okay, you ready? Here we go. It's actually more common than you may think. Oh, and it doesn't mean anything's wrong with him. Wrong.

[Mike]

Well, thanks. Thanks, Chat. You need to be shaming me.

[Jen]

It comes down to how different brain process and store information. Number one, brain wiring music versus language memory. Some people's brains are wild wired to lock into rhythm and melody more than words. That's what I just said. The auditory cortex processes the beat and tone while the lyrics require language centers like Wernicke's area.

[Mike]

Yep. That's what it's code.

[Jen]

If his brain prioritizes patterns over language and music, the feel of the song sticks but not the word.

[Mike]

That's funny. And I literally just said. I even just said the feel. I know what the emotion is.

[Jen]

He said attention focus.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

If he's the type that gets absorbed into the sound like the beat, then he may not actually pay attention to the lyrics in the first place. And you can't remember what you haven't decoded.

[Mike]

It's probably true.

[Jen]

Part of that memory strengths versus weaknesses. Memory is domain specific. Someone brilliant at math, spatial reasoning and strategic thinking. Thinking might not equally be as strong as verbal recall. Lyrics are not essentially memorization. The same mental muscle as remembering poetry. I don't know. Active passive listening. Many listen around the lyrics. They know the emotion of the tone and they can sing along with or the last word in the line. But the brain hasn't memorized the detail.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jen]

That's you.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Possible learning style quirk. If he's more analytical than verbal linguistic in learning style, words set to music might actually feel like noise rather than meaningful units to memorize. What's funny is the fact that he can recognize the beat so reliably suggests that his muscle memory is strong. His brain just prefers the structure over the words. Curious. It's curious about you.

[Mike]

No.

[Jen]

What does he remember? Movie quotes or poems any better?

[Mike]

No.

[Jen]

No. Good to know.

[Mike]

No. Ask, tell it, say no.

[Jen]

Want me to keep?

[Mike]

Yeah. Yeah. Because this is great. We're having an on air diagnosis by.

[Jen]

I'm gonna ask him to diagnose you all Right. Ready? Here we go. Okay. No, he actually can't remember any movie quotes.

[Mike]

That's not true. I remember some.

[Jen]

What would you diagnose him with?

[Mike]

But they're all Arnold Schwarzenegger quotes. But they're all like. I'll remember all like Terminator and Predator and all those quotes. Cuz they're like one liners.

[Jen]

No, you don't have anything. He just said instead of a diagnosis, it's more like he's got strong pattern recognition and logical memory, but a weaker verbal recall.

[Mike]

Interesting.

[Jen]

It's just words.

[Mike]

It's words.

[Jen]

That's why you don't remember when I tell you what our schedule is. See, I'm gonna start singing it like this. And then Monday we podcast at one.

[Mike]

Do you realize remember that that's the exact opposite is what it said literally is like. Literally what we just went through would be the way that you would guarantee pod. Guarantee that I will remember it.

[Jen]

Please don't say slapping Monday.

[Mike]

No podcast. So that, that is interesting and it kind of makes sense, but it's like. It's just. It's an auditory processing disconnector issues all that. That is. And it is more common, I think that people think so. Yeah, totally. So I mean literally, we're here to talk conspiracy theories, but since we're on a tangent, who needs this? Yeah. We might as well keep going on.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

Beard or no beard? You like beers? Just in general.

[Jen]

I don't like men with long beards because it grosses me out when food gets in it. But I like yours. I just don't think when it's long hair, it's not like hygienic like it's hair like on it.

[Mike]

What if it's like shaped? It's like, like looks really nice. No, that's not your thing.

[Jen]

Yours is yours technically. Just a short beard.

[Mike]

It's longer than normal. I mean I kind of. I kind of trim it here. This. I haven't shaved in like three days. I did it on Friday, I just trimmed up a little bit on Friday. So it keeps it like even length.

[Jen]

I like like rugged clean. Like you right now. It's like he's corporate, but he's a little rugged on the side.

[Mike]

So you like the facial hair?

[Jen]

I do love facial hair. I just don't longer past like the chin than I'm a.

[Mike]

No, I have shaved maybe clean two times. I don't like clean in the last 12 years. I did it during after Covet because when I got told you got. If you don't know During COVID I got that weird alopecia spot. I lost it there. But I also lost a chunk on my face.

[Jen]

No, I saw a real the other day that was like. The man was like, hey, honey, I shaved and she was packing up a suitcase and it said, be back in two weeks. And that's how strongly I feel about it.

[Mike]

It's that bad.

[Jen]

I do not like clean shaving face.

[Mike]

It's that, like.

[Jen]

It's your face. Your face is still your face with facial hair.

[Mike]

I know. It's like. So you don't like the way I look?

[Jen]

I don't. You look like. No. You look like a baby. Like a million. It takes, like a little bit of the mask.

[Mike]

But there's a certain point to me. Whereas men age like, you know, you shave down, you drop 10, 8, 10 years off. Like, you know, guys are in their 60s and don't shave.

[Jen]

I actually think you look younger with facial hair, Mike.

[Mike]

I disagree with that.

[Jen]

That's fine.

[Mike]

But also, at the same time, I. I obviously have preferences facial hair. I was just curious what your thoughts.

[Jen]

Were, but wouldn't if I said, like, mike, hands down, I do not want you to have no facial hair. If you want me to stay attractive, like, yeah, I'm gonna do that.

[Mike]

Yeah. So I shaved one time. Berkeley. Remember Berkeley Asked me to shave.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I was like, cried.

[Jen]

Someone cried. That's right.

[Mike]

She told me, put it back on.

[Jen]

She was little. I remember that.

[Mike]

It was. It was at the old house and I came out and I was like. I was like, okay. And then she, like, looked at me and she started crying. I remember.

[Jen]

Me too. And then I was like, put it back up.

[Mike]

Put it back on, Mike. I was like, well, good thing is, it'll come back on. It's just going to take a little bit of time. All right, Another hot take.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

Gray, white or brown? Like a dyed beer? Die beer. I don't want diaper.

[Jen]

I like whatever your face is doing naturally. Yeah, I don't care if you dye it.

[Mike]

I'm just curious. No, I'm not saying about me.

[Jen]

It's fine. Yeah, but if you don't. I do not notice that whatsoever. Yeah, I like gray. That's why I married. You know what's.

[Mike]

You know what's weird? I kind of like. To me, it's almost like the in between is like, where it gets all, like, splotchy. Yeah, I get what I mean. There's no. I mean, no. No issue with anyone dies or air. I've a beard. I've Done it before. I've done it for a wedding and stuff because it does. When it tones it out, it looks fine. It's what it is. It's so funny because obviously Just for Men is a shelf product. So millions of guys do it. That's legitimately to. Nobody talks about it, but it's clearly like if you're in your 50s or 60s and have a fully dark beard, that's not natural.

[Jen]

What's so funny is he'll come out and he'll like dye his beard and he's like, oh, I look so much younger. And I'm like, bro, literally looks exactly the same to me. Like, I see absolutely.

[Mike]

Well, no, I don't know. Yeah, so. But I do like it. I think it looks good when it's like white. I kind of like the white look. I think it looks pretty good because it's popping. It's going.

[Jen]

White's popping right now. You are getting more white. Like. Yeah, quickly.

[Mike]

What's weird as it is is that my hair has barely any gray in it. Almost 50 years old and I have like no gray.

[Jen]

You got some gray?

[Mike]

Barely. For my age, maybe.

[Jen]

For your age?

[Mike]

Yeah. I'm 49 years old. I've never. You mean like that's like.

[Jen]

You got good hair.

[Mike]

I barely have any gray.

[Jen]

You have great hair.

[Mike]

So that's the one thing is, is. But guys, beards usually change first before their hair. But that's so I might be. I might go white.

[Jen]

I wonder when I'm going to go white. Cuz redheads go white.

[Mike]

They do. They get just go straight apparently.

[Jen]

So I'm just going to be a little cotton ball running around.

[Mike]

Well, your grandpa was red, right? And he was completely white.

[Jen]

Yep.

[Mike]

So my mom's. I think my dad's dad had a full head of hair and my mom's hat. My mom's dad, well, he had. My dad's dad had like kind of like the recess receding, but it was still there. And my mom's dad, when he died, he died in his 80s and he had, he still had hair. He was like, it was thinner, but he slaughtered her.

[Jen]

Well, the good thing is you kind of have a tiny forehead. So even if your hair does go back, it's probably good. It won't be that bad.

[Mike]

It's like, oh, you look. It's nice.

[Jen]

He has a normal, A normal sized forehead now.

[Mike]

So wait, my hair, my hair does actually go to my eyebrows. If you're not looking literally like I have no forehead.

[Jen]

Neither do I. For a girl I don't.

[Mike]

That's a bad visual. We have foreheads.

[Jen]

I really don't have a big. I have a tiny, tiny face. That's why I have to wear a kids medium.

[Mike]

People are visualizing, aren't seeing the video. Like it's tiny little elf. It connects to my eyebrows and I pull my eyeballs eyebrows right back. And that's actually what creates. Creates the hair. This is Craig. This is an awesome place. Let's talk about it 22 minutes into this and we've talked about episodes. Absolutely nothing is this.

[Jen]

None of that was planned. That was just off the cop.

[Mike]

So we've ripped on each other a little bit. We've insulted each other's intelligence. You've dissected my auditory processing issues. Thank you, Dr. Jappy.

[Jen]

Dr. Jeffy, one more thing. If you had to ask Chat GPT about something, a quirk that I have to diagnose, what would you ask it? That's a good. That's a good question. Wow.

[Mike]

I don't know if I need to diagnose it. Kind of know what it is.

[Jen]

What?

[Mike]

You might have a little stuff.

[Jen]

What? Adhd.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Yeah. We all know that. I've had opponents me playing tennis in a league with grown women. And I had someone stop and ask me if I had adhd.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

And she was like, I knew it.

[Mike]

I'm a goofy youy're just. That's because you're goofy. That's not. That's a totally different thing. Yeah. No, I don't. I mean, I don't. I don't actually. It's funny is I. I don't know if you really do because you get. You bounce around tasks, but you finish things. And the one thing is is that as a sometimes.

[Jen]

Yeah. I think Haley would disagree sometimes.

[Mike]

But it's because you got. You're juggling a ton. When you juggle a ton. It's easy to let things kind of drop when you're focused on. And when you get into something, it's like you go really, really deep. Which also is kind of a sign of hyper fixation and hyper focus.

[Jen]

Yes.

[Mike]

So that might be a little bit of it as well. But look, I clearly have tendencies on the. On that spectrum as well. For sure. Like 100.

[Jen]

But I think I'm. I combat ADHD very well because I think naturally, just like from genetics. I do know that I'm a very driven. I don't sit like I want to complete, complete, complete, complete. And even if it's not the stuff I'm supposed to Be completing. Like I make a list and I tell Haley I'm going to do these seven things. I might complete one of those things. But I did four other things that I thought of off the side that needed to be done. I think you know what I'm saying. So like I'm constantly completing. It's just sometimes it's not on focus.

[Mike]

Sure. I kind of think once you figure out how to manage it as best you can and I think there's natural ways you can manage it as you get older you start to recognize things. I still think it's a superpower. I really do. I think kinda.

[Jen]

I think it depends.

[Mike]

I really do because. Because there's so many different things you like want to do and there's so many different things that you're like your brain thinks quick, you're onto something, you move. I. You're. It's spurs creativity. I. I kind of think there's its own form of.

[Jen]

Of like energy. I really do me like how I have so much energy and I. I mean I do drink. I say I self medicate with coffee. I'm kidding when I say that. But I think it's just a personality.

[Mike]

Yeah. And there are people that have like really really like debilitating forms of it. That's a different thing.

[Jen]

That's what I'm saying.

[Mike]

Totally.

[Jen]

I think depression. I think some of the times you can ADHD like severe has depression issues and stuff.

[Mike]

I've never, I've never too deep now.

[Jen]

Into stuff we don't know about. But you wouldn't ask. There's nothing you can think of. I'm trying to think of something I do that's like ridiculous like not being able to.

[Mike]

Well I'd be like why does she leave? Why? Why does she leave half empty cereal bowls around the house randomly?

[Jen]

That's so aged. I haven't had cereal in so long. It's old. You got to get a new one. You got to get a new one.

[Mike]

Coffee cup.

[Jen]

Years old coffee cups in the bathroom for sure.

[Mike]

Yeah. But yeah there was a while that I would just put them in here.

[Jen]

Like 15 of them.

[Mike]

We got into the coffee cup. What do you mean you like drop.

[Jen]

Trowel by the bed and leave it to rot.

[Mike]

But that's the pile.

[Jen]

That's the pile before the shower. Like you do have.

[Mike]

There's two piles but they go in specific piles.

[Jen]

No, but I have.

[Mike]

They're not random.

[Jen]

That's one thing. You have like 18.

[Mike]

Yeah but mine has a specific spot. I take my shirt and I don't sleep naked. I sleep in underwear. But it's like I go and my stuff goes in that one spot.

[Jen]

Didn't you used to sleep naked for a nice visual for those who are just for you? No. I'm pretty sure you did at the very beginning. And then we had kids and you're like, this is not okay. Right? Right before I. Yes, maybe I think you did sleep naked, because I was like, honestly, is that normal? Like, I remember questioning that, but I didn't know.

[Mike]

Like, yeah.

[Jen]

Anyway, well, dang it. So we don't have anything to diagnose me. Kind of sad. And now a quick moment from the sponsor of this podcast, Better Wild. If you follow me over on Instagram, then you know that I give Gary, our perfect golden boy golden retriever, Better Wild allergy chews. And we have seen an improvement in his coat, his hair, his itchy skin. I swear that boy is allergic to everything under the sun, especially in the summer. But the biggest testimony since giving Gary these allergy chews is his eyes aren't all gunky and draining like black goop. They're very, like, messy all the time. And for some reason, these allergy chews have totally cleared up his eyeballs to where they're not gunky all the time. That was the biggest thing that I noticed very quickly that not even his allergy medication would do for him. So instead of him taking an allergy pill twice a day, we now can kind of alleviate some of that by giving him these allergy shoes. As we all know, health starts in our gut, and that's also the same for dogs. Better Wild helps build up your dog's defense system by strengthening its gut. It is veterinary and formulated and approved. The unique mechanisms that make Better Wild different from competitors is their proprietary ancestral wolf probiotic blend combined with lsakii, which is a postbiotic derived from kimchi. I have been given an exclusive discount that is the best deal you will find. To redeem it, go to betterwild.com backslash redhead and use my code redhead for the exclusive offer. This stacks on top of other discounts and is the best discount available exclusively for you, our audience. The best part is they have a generous 30 day satisfaction guarantee, so you really don't have much to lose in that regard. Again, go betterwild.com backslash Redhead and use my code redhead for that exclusive discount. I want to talk about the Denver International Airport because I don't know anything about the Denver International Airport.

[Mike]

So Haley, we. Afterwards, she was. She popped in on that one, she's like, oh, that's a big one right now. Because there's a whole bunch of funky stuff there.

[Jen]

What is it? Okay, so enlighten us.

[Mike]

So the Denver. Denver International Airport was, like, this modern, biggest, most expansive airport that was built. I think it was 2000 when it was built. And I actually remember because I lived in Colorado at the time. Yeah, yeah. It's. Remember, it's a really awful airport to fly out because they have, like, one terminal at the time, they had two things. It was the line. Yeah, we've done it. Because, once again, insane lines. And then everything has a tram, so there's no. You have to go from the main tsa, and then you get into the trams afterwards. So it creates these massive, massive bottlenecks. Similar.

[Jen]

Is that the one where we were upstairs looking down, and I was like, I have to get.

[Mike]

And then you got in the wrong line.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Because you didn't have tsa, and then. So you were in tsa and then they kicked you out of tsa because until recent, you. Until I basically was, like, crying and begging you to, like, please divorce. Go. To get it done. It takes five minutes. Just. You got to go do it.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

I remember this.

[Jen]

It's all coming back to me.

[Mike]

But you did it, so kudos to you and to Haley for helping.

[Jen]

I think she might have.

[Mike]

All right, well, you know, it's a little. A little pressure. A little peer pressure to get you to go do that. Yeah, but that was the one that you were in that other line, and you thought you weren't going to make the plane because I was passed through it. It was. It took you 40. 30 minutes. 40 minutes longer to get through it.

[Jen]

So what's the conspiracy?

[Mike]

Well, the conspiracy is that it is a secret headquarters for the Illuminati.

[Jen]

Wait, really?

[Mike]

Yeah, really.

[Jen]

What are the signs? Like, what do they mean?

[Mike]

All right, they have multiple things. There's creepy murals, which, clearly, I've seen.

[Jen]

A lot of creepy art everywhere.

[Mike]

There's some specific ones. They have freemason plaques. They have a massive underground tunnel system.

[Jen]

How do you know this?

[Mike]

Because that's been.

[Jen]

Seen it. Yeah.

[Mike]

100.

[Jen]

With your own eyes.

[Mike]

They have a statue called Lucifer with glowing eyes.

[Jen]

Oh, that's weird.

[Mike]

It's a blue horse. Yeah.

[Jen]

Why? That is weird. Hold on. I'm gonna say Denver murals.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Denver Airport, even.

[Mike]

To make it even creepier. They've even acknowledged that they've had issues with lizard people.

[Jen]

Okay. The mural is weird. Like, I'm looking at one.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

One of the strange art murals at Denver Airport. But what's the. What's.

[Mike]

Do they just describe it so people that aren't like, you obviously can't see your phone. You're looking at it.

[Jen]

Well, is it well known art? Because I'm gonna look like a dummy because I don't know art. Okay.

[Mike]

I mean, it clearly is.

[Jen]

It's like a girl who looks terrified with, like a killer whale jumping over the side of it with, like a penguin in a box.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Girls, like, holding the box and then there's like a jaguar and weird eyes with people. It's very. I can't even describe it. There's a sad little boy holding a squirrel. I think it's like a dead girl. What the heck?

[Mike]

I know there's. It's. Yeah.

[Jen]

What is that? It's a child.

[Mike]

And then look this one up and correct me if I'm. I think I remember this, but I think. I think the artist who made the horse, the blue horse there, either died making it or right afterwards. I think that's like part of the whole thing. So there's all these crazy things that happen and, like, symbolism associated to the. The occult and.

[Jen]

Okay. The Denver Airport blue horse, known as officially blue mustang, named Lucifer by locals. I'm confused. Part of the horse fell on him.

[Mike]

I guess. So. Yeah. As well. They were. It's. They're making it. So. Yeah, it's quite.

[Jen]

Was it a statue? Oh, it's a statue. Oh, that's. I mean, it's weird. Why is it there? Why is there a blue horse with red glowing eyes at an airport?

[Mike]

Right. I mean, those are the things where it's like you have all these things, so.

[Jen]

Oh, look at it at night.

[Mike]

Yeah. It's creepy, right?

[Jen]

Yeah. Why would they do that? Why would they want that?

[Mike]

That's what we're talking about.

[Jen]

It's un. Controversial reception, a powerful artistic statement. Others find it unsettling. Okay, so with the. See the Illuminati, I don't know much about that either. It's like a secret club of super wealthy, right?

[Mike]

Yeah. I mean, it could be wealthy. It could also be like deep state people that control the government, that guide things behind the scene. It's all part of that.

[Jen]

That's like Beyonce and Jay Z are apparently part of it.

[Mike]

It. I. I don't know, but I'm sure there's a lot of people that say, anyone in. In extreme power and wealth. Yeah, they would say that's part of it. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure. There's people that would say that, like, how do you get to that? Yeah, I'm sure that's what people would. Would claim that you can't get that way unless somebody, you know, allows you or dictates you to get into that.

[Jen]

Basically like selling your soul to the devil.

[Mike]

Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

I wouldn't call it that.

[Jen]

I'd call it the Illuminati is historically fact. Right? There was.

[Mike]

Yes, there's. There's connections to Illuminati and there's conn. A society that focused on science over religion. And that's where it was. It's not necessarily like the devil is what it would be from my understanding. It's more about the lack of it where us as humans have the ability to control our own destinies. Where like Benjamin Franklin was part of that society. So one of the four founders were country, right?

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And so that these people were founding it and they were looking at as, you know, this. This mapping things out and guiding the way that our government and country and things would be. Was not necessarily religious driven. It was about a secular way to driven. Driven through man's ability to it. So that was. That was sort of the. The mindset of what it was. Your stomach rumbling?

[Jen]

Stomach's rolling. Something that makes me think of like us, you know, guiding our own path and creating our own destiny. Isn't that. This is where I kind of don't like the word manifesting because have you heard that's like a trendy word? It's been trendy. Like I manifested this and I'm like, no, you didn't. Manifest could be like just trying really hard and studying and so you made a great. And then you manifest. Manifested it essentially. How do you feel about. Like, I manifested this? Because to me it's like, okay, did you make good choices to get here? Sure. If you want to call that manifesting. Or did you literally just say over and over in your brain that you did it and so it came to be. Do you know what I'm saying? There's like different perceptions on that.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's.

[Jen]

I mean that I think manifesting is like a kind of a dumb word. It's like, okay, did you see what I'm saying?

[Mike]

I mean, where you put your mind, your efforts will go.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

You can't. I mean, but there is. Even from a Christian standpoint, there is an idea of not necessarily manifesting things, but about having faith in and praying and bringing towards. And that believing in faith is a Form of manifestation.

[Jen]

So it's like semantics to you?

[Mike]

Like, a little bit. It's about how the mindset is. But obviously through Christian mindset is, is that you believe through faith that the power is not in us.

[Jen]

Correct.

[Mike]

That the power is a God, but you still go in faith through the belief of it. Right. Like if you don't. But the end state is kind of the same.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

Because if you wanted something, you believe it, but you believe and you're giving it to God. And in. In Christianity, it's believe through faith, through action of that faith. That means that you know that you pray, that it's already been answered.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

Right. So therefore, that isn't its own aspect. A form of manifestation. I think of manifesting is like meditation on a subject. And that's. I mean, it's, it's. It's. You know, there are people that get real spooked up by the term meditation. But biblically, it talks about meditating. But meditating in the right standpoint.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And that's meditating in the right area and where you can get super creepy and spiritual. I think you can manifest other things outside. I. I personally believe. I believe there's a spiritual realm. Totally do.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

But that's all their podcasts about our faith. I think that's something we should talk about because it is important to us. But I totally believe that you can manifest things out outside of it and that it's.

[Jen]

I don't. I think God gave. God gives you. He does that you didn't manifest crap.

[Mike]

No, I'm not talking. I'm talking about from a spiritual realm. If you want to bring in something not of God and not of. Of the. Of an angelic world, you can. You can manifest other things that could deceive you as being good, but it's not good.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

Like demonic. Yes, that's what I mean.

[Jen]

Yeah. No, I, I get. I'm like thinking like the Ouija boards.

[Mike]

Sure.

[Jen]

All that stuff. I don't know. Like, I don't think you necessarily have to have a Ouija board.

[Mike]

But there is. But there is. Legitimately, if you want to just get from a standpoint of not. Not spooky, not creepy, there's nothing. There is a lot of evidence of a positive thinking and believing.

[Jen]

Totally. I agree with you on that.

[Mike]

And that if you're going to manifest something to say, hey, my day is going to be great today, good things are going to happen, I'm going to.

[Jen]

Have, you know, manifesting. I think of that as just having.

[Mike]

A positive yeah, but that. But again, because that's about the semantics of what people want to say. It's not like, you know, and people can write vision. You had vision. Like you. I think you division boards in. In your design, right? You put things out to inspire you boards. Vision boards inspire you. Creates inspiration. It puts your mind into something. When you put it down on paper, you start, like, consciously and subconsciously you're thinking about that. So when you do design for your homes and you mood board it out.

[Jen]

That'S different because it's a plan, and it's the plan that I do.

[Mike]

But watch. But. But there are times you put. You put it together, and then the next morning you wake up, you're like, no, I'm going to do something that this doesn't. I'm going to do something like, oh, I want to do that. Right? Because your brain's still working. Even if you do something, your brain's still working and thinking about it. And once your plan's done, you're done. I mean, you've gone and designed even the homes and the show. You've gone and like, like, that one didn't look at as good as I thought.

[Jen]

Usually I'll change it if I see it in person.

[Mike]

You're like, yeah, it's not quite. I would have thought, let's do something else. Yeah, but there are. But when you start to put the plan together and you think through things, if you're not putting it down on paper, it's never gonna actualize. It's not.

[Jen]

I don't agree with that. See, I think it's a waste of time. I think that you put things on a paper. I'm talking about your design for the day.

[Mike]

I'm talking about your designs. You. You guys map things. Of course you can design on the fly. It just happens.

[Jen]

I already, like, I decided it's it like whenever we're doing the mood board, it's like, I want navy, I want cream. I want. And then it's like, I rarely changed. That was just so we could. Well, if we're gonna get into it. So when I'm designing for the TV show, they have to see these boards to look at the design. Because hgtv, while they have no. They're not designing whatsoever. I'm doing the designing. They still want to know that I'm not doing a lime green cabinet with purple tile. Although they probably would have loved that. They were always like, let's go greasy. Lots of color. And I'm like, my client doesn't want Lime green cabinets. Like, this is real people, like, I. I have to do what they want anyway. I see what you're saying. I just. There's. I think there's different types of people. And some people love the time. Some people love the time spent on like, what my mind. This sounds so mean, but it is. This is my. I'm just letting you guys in. This is like how I think, like the fluffy stuff of like wasting time to like, create a pretty board and be like one day where I'm like, just do it. Just say in your brain, I'm gonna do this and just do. I guess I'm more goal oriented than like, inspired by.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

If I'm gonna do it, I say I do it. I don't need to put on a board. I'm just gonna go real quick.

[Mike]

Yeah. I would challenge you in this. That that kind of works. There are places and times that it does work in pul. Like there's a little. It's a little more impulsiveness. And that's not bad because impulsive creates like immediate action on it if it's directed in the right place. But then you can also waste a lot of time. And I say, let's say standpoint of we're bringing to. In a business sense, there's a reason why you write business plans out.

[Jen]

Totally.

[Mike]

There's a reason why you think through things and you think about the pros and the value. Like, what goal? Like literally simplest thing in business. If you're starting a business, I can tell you one thing. If you're not creating a solution to a problem that doesn't exist, don't do it. And I know it's not like literally anything that's literally any business. If it's like, hey, I'm going to make a coffee shop. And while there's no really lack of coffee, but if you decide that, that this the problem is there's not really good coffee and you go put it directly next door to a Starbucks, you'll get some business. It's going to be hard. No, I think because the solution to the problem, there's got to be a legitimate problem with a legitimate solution. And you can do that in retail, you can do that in restaurants, you can do that in inventions, you can do that. Med tech. There's so many. All these different things that you can do. But that's how. That's as simple as what business is.

[Jen]

I think. I think if we were to ask Haley, because she is. Knows me in more of a working mindset, maybe in the office hours, more even than you do because she's right beside me. But it takes her a minute to get me to like, sit down and like, let's map this out, or like, plan it out, or like, let's look for pictures of this. I kind of want to push that off and like, do my daily. And I don't think in the moment I'm pushing it off. It's just that for me to just sit and like, stare at her for two hours and like, we've got to map this out. It's not yay for me. It's like, well, hold on. I'm gonna go do the thing that I wanted to do real quick for the day, because I want to do my things that I have on my list. And so I'm like, I don't need to waste time on that. I already know what I want to do type thing when sometimes I don't. But I don't want to give. I. I think that's probably the adhd.

[Mike]

It's. It's that and it's also the. Probably the way your brain works. I would say that. That if people say, if you had a goal and you wrote these things out and writing things out for free, people like me matters. There are things that I've written out. I have a little 3 by 5 card on the type of man I want to be. That's literally in my.

[Jen]

On your dress.

[Mike]

In my dress. What are the things that define you? And I wrote those things out because those are things that reset you in a day. Is like, am I going back to the faith statement I have? Am I going back to the fate of the statement of the man I want to be to. As a husband, as a father, as a business leader, as a friend? Because those are the key things that I have on there. And as a family member, like, those are the things that define it. And if all those things aren't in.

[Jen]

There, I should have.

[Mike]

But that's a woman.

[Jen]

I want to be on it.

[Mike]

But that's. But that is, that's. But that's called madness.

[Jen]

But I don't even think to do that.

[Mike]

But that's not. It's not a standpoint. I. I encourage people do that because you write it out and then you. And it's not like I look at it every day. I'm going to be this person. It's just like, cool. And then Berkeley there is say. It was all. She was like, what is this? And I told her and she's like, oh, it's cool.

[Jen]

That was Berkeley's very much like you.

[Mike]

That's really cool. She's like, that's cool. And it's. And it's not. Yeah. So the reason why means like our kids names have a meaning. You're like, that's just this really great sounding name. But the point is, is that I think from a standpoint of it depends on what your. Where you're going with the term manifestation. Right. Self manifestation.

[Jen]

That's how we got here.

[Mike]

Self manifestation to me isn't necessarily something that is like super scriptural or super Christian basis because you want to have help. And in my faith, our faith is, is that there's, there's God in there.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Christ in the center of all these things.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That is going to support those statements. Right.

[Jen]

I just think at the end of the day the end statement is you didn't manifest crap. God did that.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Allowed it to happen. And so. But then again you go back to the realistic side of me as I did all these actions, X, Y and Z to get me.

[Mike]

But there are plenty of people that aren't believers. A lot of people are listening this thing that aren't believers. And that's, that's great. There's nothing like we want people to listen to. So we have our, our face statements and things and good things happen to people as well. And they will say, well I've written these things out and I've worked my butt off because there is an aspect of, of that it's like about putting it down, taking action, moving forward.

[Jen]

Do you remember when I came this was like just last year and I was like, I think you asked me like what do you think your gift is? And I go, I don't have a gift.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

I don't know what my spiritual gift is. And you said I know yours. And I was like, like well tell me what it is because I had no idea. And yours was like, yours is faith, like no matter what you will always trumpet with. Yeah, God did that, you didn't do that or whatever. And I truly do.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Jen]

Believe that.

[Mike]

And without a doubt that is.

[Jen]

It is because I never stop.

[Mike]

You have unwavering belief structure on it where it's like that is a, that's a. Again. I actually look at that as a gift because a lot of people like me and I'm. And I do have strong faith aspects of thing but I have an open mindedness aspect of trying to think through things and analytically, you know, believe on it because I have a brain that's not wired to just be like, you know, believe in these things. Whereas, like, if I were to go in, I think I have a very strong sense of discernment. I have a strong sense of.

[Jen]

Well, I feel like I do too. That's the thing is, like, with my spiritual gift, it's like, okay, do I sound like the person that's just a follower and can get sucked into anything? But I think it's only faith with God, Jesus Christ. Because I'm really skeptical of everything else. You know what I'm saying? Like, to the point of even myself in my life. I know with my brain cells that I've put. I've sacrificed a lot and I've done a lot each and every day. In the hours I have to get where I am today. I know that if I didn't do this, I wouldn't have gotten to that. And if I wouldn't have gotten to that, then I wouldn't got that. And then I wouldn't have gotten the email to come into the show.

[Mike]

Sure.

[Jen]

To make a show. I know all those are like staircases, but I also know that God allowed that to happen to me.

[Mike]

I agree with that.

[Jen]

And so, like, I feel like it trumps all. So I can sit here and be like, I did all these right. Things and I'm this and I'm that, and that's why I've created this platform or whatever. But I know it could be taken away in one split second. As far. I don't think he's like that. But I'm just saying I. I didn't get here because of me.

[Mike]

Yeah, well, look, I mean, that's not a conspiracy theory from our perspective. Right?

[Jen]

Right. That's true. That's its own conspiracy faith.

[Mike]

And it's. Yeah, but you're, you know, faith and is like, I look into this as. As that God has a plan for everyone, independent of where we are and where we stand in our belief structure.

[Jen]

Right?

[Mike]

Yeah. He has a plan for everyone.

[Jen]

And we can. Even if you don't believe in God, I believe that God made you and loves you. 100 plan for you even though you don't.

[Mike]

100.

[Jen]

It's a weird thing to think of because it's like we're putting our belief onto everyone if you think about it in that way. But we also don't expect everyone to believe.

[Mike]

I do believe. And that's in. Even as a. Even as a. As a believer or Christian. It's not like life is easy and not like bad things happen, because that happens as well, there's all these things that can happen independently and independent of God. And I just look at it as the, the belief of where, where our hearts and lives are going to go and where our, where we go after we pass in this realm and how our journey is going to be completed through him and influence in this world and, and yes, impact and positivity and all the things that we want to, to have. Yeah.

[Jen]

We really turn this from.

[Mike]

But I do think, but I think in any independent choice and decision, I think God knows every decision we make. I don't actually believe. I, I, I don't know about this. Here's, here's one right here.

[Jen]

So hold on. Question. Here's my final question for you because let's reel it back in. I already got the 40 minute signal.

[Mike]

Because I want to talk, here's something. Can we talk about another podcast actually? Because I do think we, it's, we should probably talk about faith at one podcast, Right?

[Jen]

Yeah. But not right now.

[Mike]

No. Because there's something I want to say.

[Jen]

I don't know if the Illuminati's meeting up in Denver.

[Mike]

No. This is even hot. This is a hot subject even with Christianity. This is what I want to pin this one for later as well. Do you believe in, in free will or predetermination?

[Jen]

Both.

[Mike]

That's a good one.

[Jen]

They go both hand in hand. I think God made us. Free will. But ultimately he already knows what's gonna happen.

[Mike]

Does he?

[Jen]

Yes. 100 Kenny. He knows. He knew.

[Mike]

We'll talk about that one. This is a good one.

[Jen]

Yeah. I think both can exist. But do you think that something fishy. Truthfully? Be honest. No funny business.

[Mike]

Okay.

[Jen]

Do you think something weird is going down?

[Mike]

No. I just think they probably. It's much like some marketing campaigns that have recently gone south for, for companies and stuff where they allowed an art director to pick a bunch of stuff out. Art has a tendency to be weird and be provocative.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

And I think that's emotions brings out emotion. And I think some artists have intention and other artists just want to create visceral emotion. And sometimes they do it through really wild, crazy art. And that's one thing art is intended to do. And I think that they're like, probably gave somebody the task and that person was like, yes, I love this.

[Jen]

Make it weird.

[Mike]

Let's make it weird. So no. So the DIA was Denver International Airport. They've leaned in on this one, which is pretty cool. And I was teasing earlier but they said like they're doing construction they said, pardon our mess. We have a lizard people problem.

[Jen]

So what's that? What's the lizard people?

[Mike]

Oh, Lord.

[Jen]

People who are half lizard people think that exists.

[Mike]

Well, that's not real. It's about lizard people have human skin on them. They look like us, but they're actually part of the Illuminati or the occult or the deep State. They're the ones.

[Jen]

That's not real.

[Mike]

That's a absolutely real conspiracy theory, Mike. 100 people believe that. They believe a lot of the leaders are actually lizards. Yes.

[Jen]

That'S real.

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jen]

Yeah, People actually think that's true.

[Mike]

Yes, they do. And whether. Whether they're aliens or whether they were an ancient civilization that has continued to live on, that developed in a. In tangent to the evolutionary pathways of us coming from the homo sapien aspect, that could have been something else.

[Jen]

I'm done. I'm already.

[Mike]

And they and themselves that were so much more advanced than us, that they have guided us.

[Jen]

I just had a vision of me like 90, and I'm sitting there with my friends. You're not there because you're gonna pass away before I turn 90s. Please don't die early. I need you to stay around for a long time.

[Mike]

I told you, I got 100. That's. That's the goal.

[Jen]

I prayed.

[Mike]

I do. I wonder.

[Jen]

Okay, so two years post your death, I'm sitting on the porch by myself, sad and lonely, and there's like, on the tv, it's like lizard people rediscovered in Aliens. And I'm like, well, that didn't age well.

[Mike]

What?

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Hey, look, there are so many things, and there is. This is from a timeliness relevance aspect. There is a. Jesse Michaels is a YouTuber and he has this pretty cool YouTube channel called American Alchemy. So shout out. It's actually really, really cool.

[Jen]

How do you know this? This. Do you listen to it?

[Mike]

Yeah, I watch it.

[Jen]

Like in the car?

[Mike]

Yeah. Well, yeah, I watch it sometimes at night. I'll watch. You know, I like some YouTube channels, but he has one, and this guy, he's got some really wild backgrounds. Like super intelligent dude and he's like private equity backgrounds, things like that. But this one, he talked about Peruvian mummies and this one, so it's. It's kind of wild, but to make it crazier, so. So Peru in Mexico, they came up with these different things and they're. They had these, like three different type of mummies. The super tiny ones, these middle in between ones, and these other ones that are there. They were mummified in dichimatic earth, which basically dried them out and created this.

[Jen]

Like, are they people mummies?

[Mike]

Well, that's the thing.

[Jen]

People.

[Mike]

They don't look like people. They kind of look like people, but they have three fingers. So they went down and they did MRIs on these ones. They've proven some more fake that are made from like llama bones probably, or not, or something like a llama. Anyway, there's these, like, smaller ones probably aren't real. But then these bigger ones, they have three fingers and they're fully like. They show the full bone structure cone like heads on them.

[Jen]

I swear the small ones are fake. Then they probably made no big ones.

[Mike]

But the problem is, is they've. They know These things are 1700 years old at least. And they're doing with physicians and doctors and multiple scientists are saying like, yeah, we don't know what this is because it doesn't look like the hand was mutilated.

[Jen]

This is why we just need to live in the moment and chase sales. When malls have sales in stores and be happy about record dropping.

[Mike]

You want to make it even.

[Jen]

Let's just live in the moment. Let's be present.

[Mike]

So they have these three fingers they call tridactyl is what the term they use these. And so these things. And one of them is pregnant. They found an embryo in it. So how do you fake something to that point where it's so like, these are the best artists in the entire world. If they've made something like that to just like dupe people. It's pretty wild. Point is, is like, what. What is that? Like what? Like, it is kind of weird, the fact that they have doctors doing MRIs on these things. And it does look. It's pretty compelling. There's like. I mean, you got to think. I'm not saying I know because I really don't know.

[Jen]

I didn't know you like conspiracy theories.

[Mike]

It's not conspiracy. This one's more ancient civilization. That's what I look at. I think that's something. I don't know if that's an alien or something else or maybe a genetically deformed human. It could very well be that. It could be some sort of strange genetic mutation that happened in that region.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

With people, it's possible.

[Jen]

Question. Since we're going to end the part two of this conspiracy theory, my last question for you is, what is a conspiracy? If you feel comfortable, of course. What is a conspiracy theory? That you actually think that there is legit truth. Like, you would stand on a podium and be like, I think there's some truth here. Are there any.

[Mike]

Yeah, I think they all kind of connect, I think, personally, because I think it connects to biblical history and biblical mysteries and mythology and of other cultures.

[Jen]

I don't even know what's coming.

[Mike]

I. I do think ancient. So I think our. The arc of what people thought our societies had gone through is longer than what we think. I. Meaning that I believe what we have now is technology. Like, if you went. If you went and showed 2,000 years ago, somebody a smartphone, what would they think it is?

[Jen]

Like a bomb? It's gonna blow up?

[Mike]

No, they think it's magic.

[Jen]

Oh. Or that.

[Mike]

Right. I mean, gosh, what is the. Who's. There's a. There's a quote. Gosh. And I'm blanking on who it was.

[Jen]

Wait, I'm confused. Do you think that. That smartphones have already existed?

[Mike]

I think there's alternative technologies that could have existed prior that people found different pathways to knowledge. Biblically. Right. Because we had the flood. So pre flood of Noah, there was an entire civilization.

[Jen]

Noah had a MacBook.

[Mike]

No, I'm not saying that. But. But what did they talk about? A lot they talked about. Matt. Like, even. Even in Moses, Moses went to the pharaoh and he threw down the scepter. Do you remember this? So his. His magicians and his people threw down. Basically turned a staff into a snake, and then he threw down his scepter and God turned it into a snake and ate that snake. Meaning that things were.

[Jen]

Mike. Point is, I was raised in a Christian. I have never heard that story.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's part. Yeah. Maybe you should reread the Bible because.

[Jen]

Well, I've never read it cover to cover.

[Mike]

You never read it? Yeah. Genesis and Exodus. Read those again. They're. They're good. Okay, so that's Old Testament. But things. Post Old Testament, there are things in there. And obviously Noah's even before this. Right. But they talked about Nephilim, which is the giants, the history, which is an. Angels and demons had offspring. This is biblical, by the way. Demons had offspring with humans that created the Nephilim. The Nephilim was a giant, a creature of. Of greater intelligence and larger size.

[Jen]

This is historical.

[Mike]

This is not historical. This is biblical. It's not historical.

[Jen]

Demons are impregnating people.

[Mike]

That is called the Nephilim. Yes, that is what that is.

[Jen]

I see how people think this religion is. Wow.

[Mike]

There's some wild. So then there are a lot of people think those are just myths. Right. Like. And again, they are. And I Think there's, I think there's a lot of myth in it because you're, you're having verbal documentation before it was written down 2000 years ago, because not even 2000, maybe 2500 years, 3000 years ago, when the Scrolls, Dead Sea Scrolls, things that you have, a lot of it was verbal. You tell stories and the way to remember stories is you create stories from it. They have the connection to the meaning behind it. That's the whole point of mythology and all these things. But there's so many commonalities and so they get the long winded way of answer. I think there's something more that was going on. I think that the history shows that there's more going on. And they're finding more and more human remains. Recently they found that they found, you know, Homo sapiens exactly like us. That is now back to 300,000 years ago. So humans been around 300,000 years from a standpoint of the way we look from if you believe in carbon dating and some people say New Earth, whatnot, I'm not going to get into the science of it. I believe there's a longer history that we have because again, biblically, you know, is it. Is it Peter, I'm blanking on that. He says, you know, a day to God is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day. Meaning that time is different to God. Right. So if you talk about like the actual history, you can't go back and say the Earth was created in one day. Because what is a one day to God? That's an infinite creature, an infinite beating. That doesn't really make sense to me. That's a. There's a little bit more to the.

[Jen]

Aspect of maybe it doesn't mean a solid 24 hours.

[Mike]

What is a day? What is it? What is a day to an infinite being? Let's not. Yeah, I don't know. Okay. Anyway, that's a whole other thing.

[Jen]

Are you gonna ask me what.

[Mike]

You get it? But you get into these three things. You have three.

[Jen]

My turn.

[Mike]

If a human's around 3,000 years, we also know that a cataclysm or something really big happens. Whether it's asteroids that hit the Earth, which we know happened.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Major volcanoes that explode, which no happen. Floods, which we know happen. So these things we do know happen. And the best estimate, scientists say that happened, they happen once every 100,000 years.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

So if we've gone through three major, almost wipe out the Earth kind of cataclysms that have changed the way we have Cataclysms. And we've. And, and we think about. We've advanced even the last 2000 years. If you talk about, like, let's just use, you know, Christ, the birth of Christ, as the. As the beginning of it from where that was to where we are now. How different is life? Yeah, that's only 2,000 years. What happens in a hundred thousand years?

[Jen]

No, I'm. I mean, I hear you, right? 2,000 to 100,000. That's a lot of years of doing the exact same thing.

[Mike]

And if, and if it goes up and down and yes, we've evolved. We've evolved. We've gotten smarter, but we've gotten smarter, maybe in different ways. Point is this.

[Jen]

I love how you're talking about intelligence and you're wearing a hat that says bro.

[Mike]

Yeah. So, okay, just a couple more little things in there. They don't even know who built the pyramids. They really don't. I mean, they kind of know. They know Egyptians did, obviously, in Egypt. Yeah, but it is. But a lot of people believe it's a lot older. This, that entire region of the Sahara back, gosh, I think it's like 3, 000 years ago, maybe 4, 000 year goes. Was totally green. It was. It was like. It was like plantation beautiful, you know?

[Jen]

Were you there?

[Mike]

Yes.

[Jen]

That's like Berkeley.

[Mike]

I don't know.

[Jen]

That's like Berkeley. The other day, each of our kids. Sorry to break it up, each of our kids have like one question where we're like, are you good? Like, we call them, like, no brainer questions, essentially. And they laugh at it too. But I was telling about a car accident I was in when I was 16, and Berkeley was like on pin, like, edge of her seat, listening to all the details. And then she looked at me, she goes, but did you die? And I looked at her.

[Mike]

When you got a car accident, I.

[Jen]

Looked at her and I said, yes, I did, like. And she just looked at me and started laughing. She instantly knew. What did Vaughn. Oh, what the. What did I find? The rabbits. So then Vaughn had his. A couple weeks ago, I found this nest of rabbits. Rabbit bunnies or bunnies, baby rabbits. And I was like, telling them about them being in the nest and covering it back up. And Vaughn was like, again, on edge of the seat, like, listening. He goes, but what did they say? And I said, they said, put me back in the nest. And he instantly started laughing. He meant something else.

[Mike]

No, he wanted to know if they made a noise. What do they say?

[Jen]

And it was hilarious. Anyways, so I'm gonna.

[Mike]

I'm gonna go back to.

[Jen]

You can talk about this.

[Mike]

I know. Because I want to close this up and say regardless of the thing. So, like, I think a lot of what we don't believe there is some truths in there and there's a lot of historical things and we don't know. And I think more knowledge is coming up just because the basis of information that comes up, the Internet. There's a lot of crap out there. I think a lot more. I think actually most of it's bs. I really do like real. But I do think there's something going on. There's something going on in the skies.

[Jen]

Okay.

[Mike]

I do think there's something going on with ancient history that we're going to prove that that is different than what we did. I think some of those things are connected. And my thing is, regardless of what comes out, I still have my faith. Belief that. That we've been created in God's image and he, you know, he made us. And. And you know, you know, I don't. It doesn't change the standpoint that I believe that, you know, I find salvation through Christ. And that's my. My standpoint. None of that changes. But, you know, I don't, you know, big moon landings, chemtrails, airport, flat Earth. I think flatter. It's complete garbage anyway. So there's things in there that like. Yeah, it sounds wacko. I. I just think it's fun to talk about and I. My thing is, is I actually just want to look at things that actually have scientific back basis to it. I do. Because I've had some weird stuff happen to me as a kid. I can tell. I didn't even get into that. It's things I like in my memory.

[Jen]

I have these well over an hour. You got.

[Mike]

Oh, man. Okay. Well, I got. I'm going to. I'm done.

[Jen]

I'll pause it into a lot.

[Mike]

You asked me. We talked 22 minutes about periods and beards and. And auditory processing issues. So this is probably. Mark this as the strangest podcast we've done to date.

[Jen]

It's the most random. It's definitely the most scattered for sure. But that's not.

[Mike]

Hey, you're the one that started this off on period talk.

[Jen]

Yeah, this is kind of us. Welcome to our brains and we're unmedicated and we really like living that way. It's a very fun, sporadic life.

[Mike]

Which one's your. Okay, one sentence. Which one's real conspiracy.

[Jen]

I feel like this is so controversial. I'M about to say and like some people are gonna hate me. Please take this very lightly because I'm very much like, I don't care about any conspiracy theory and I'm living life and I'm a seven. I'm an enthusiast. Like I'm an eight Enneagram with a wing seven where I'm like, I'm just here living in the moment. So I don't like to think that deep. But it doesn't take a lot to convince me when like government covers stuff up.

[Mike]

Yeah, but why would they cover stuff up?

[Jen]

Because I think there's a control there and I don't trust even though like, you know, I have things that I vote for and like I have values of course. And opinions on things. I definitely it does not.

[Mike]

So yours would be like for me.

[Jen]

To be like, oh yeah, there's corrupt people.

[Mike]

So yours would more be like JFK and thinking they did it. Yeah. Like, or like, or involved just like modern day things. Yeah.

[Jen]

You could sell me.

[Mike]

So it's funny is. Yeah, I, I, which is. Which of course I agree with it as well because I think, you know, follow the money, you'll follow the decisions and you follow control, money, all those things combined.

[Jen]

I think when you have that large of a sum of money, I think say you are on target from Satan 247 or just a lot of power.

[Mike]

Or just super greedy which in this own form of evil. That's. Yeah.

[Jen]

I mean some would argue like Satan leads us to greed and evil and I think. Or you're just on display or if you're super well known. Maybe not even well known but like if you're faith, like I think a lot of pastors will get it.

[Mike]

How are children born?

[Jen]

No, we're not doing this selfish.

[Mike]

No, I'm. No really, I'm, I'm.

[Jen]

I thought you meant like the process.

[Mike]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Jen]

Yeah. No. Humans are born.

[Mike]

Humans are born selfish and humans that don't evolve past childhood and adolescence will never grow into an adulthood. And there are a lot of adolescent adults out there.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

That the life and world evolves around them. They care about nothing else. It's what's in it for me and poor me and poor this and yeah. There's a lot of bad things that happen to people and, and for sure, like there are people that man, I pray for them and we, we give a lot to charity. We do a lot of things and it's stuck. And there are people with health issues and things like that. And there are other people in there that just make the world about them and are living in eternal sadness because they can't get out of their own way.

[Jen]

Right.

[Mike]

And it's in, you know, and the problem is, is they almost appropriate the real people that have real needs, in my opinion, so.

[Jen]

Well, and on that note, we need to end. What a great ending note.

[Mike]

Conspiracy talks are fun. I hope we can revisit this again soon. If you guys like this, put some comments on it later. We'll do it again later. This is fun. We don't have to make every. This isn't a spirit conspiracy podcast, but.

[Jen]

It'S makes my brain hurt.

[Mike]

Kind of fun to talk about.

[Jen]

I mean, it is because you love it. I'm, like, just here and I can give opinions, but I don't know a lot about it. All right, thank you all so much for listening. Remember to follow us over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcast. We would love and appreciate rating. Oh, my gosh. I popped on there today. In the ratings are 4.9 stars out of 5 with, like, almost 6,000 reviews. That's in insane. I don't. I had to look. I.

[Mike]

Do you know how many counts I had to make to get that up? I had, like, it was 55 ever.

[Jen]

I just want to say thank y' all so much for giving us such high ratings because while, like, it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day, it means a lot to us. Just, like, as feedback for, like, thank you. We. It motivates us to, like, not stop after season two. Like, so thank you.

[Mike]

Right.

[Jen]

Very, very nice to take time to.

[Mike]

Do that in the dms. If there's things that you want to hear us talk about, send it to Jen. On that one, we have the email. Does anyone remember the email?

[Jen]

Off top of them, you, me, and mike podcast gmail.com and you can email things you want to say, questions, or topics you want us to cover. I. Eventually, this season, we'll do another voicemail read.

[Mike]

I love that one last one.

[Jen]

That was awesome. If you can upload voicemails and send it through that email, those all go to my producer and we'll use all of those things as we're doing meetings for episodes and whatnot.

[Mike]

Well, this one ran a little longer than normal. Thanks, guys, again for listening along.

[Jen]

Yeah.

[Mike]

High five. That's awesome.

[Jen]

Boom. Y' all have a wonderful week. And again, thank you so much for listening. Until the next time.

[Mike]

We gotta go get the kids.

[Jen]

Yes, we do. Okay, bye, guys. Thank you. Ra.